Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hello Stefan, Saturday, January 15, 2011, 2:55:37 AM, you wrote: During the last year, most of the program's code was completely rewritten because of the architectural changes to make IMAP working properly. I know that there is still a lot of things to do and to fix, but we need to make a milestone release - there are just too many reason to do it and the main one is psychological - it's really difficult to (re)write code for more than a year and not to make a release, it's just too much of pressure. I hope you're understand what I'm trying to say. I do understand and appreciate the hard work on the code to date. I'll do my best to summarize my bugs this weekend and get them posted to the tracker. Jerry -- Ethan J Mings President, The Desk Consulting Group Inc Oakville, Ontario Canada. L6L 3B7 Write to me at: qualityoff...@consultant.com Skype me at : ejmings Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Delete Server certificate
Hello All, I have a problem that drives me crazy. I changed the name of my mailserver and installed a new server Certificate, official one. The IP address of the server is still the same. Now TheBat! still wants to use the old certificate when I try to use TSL/SSL. Where can I delete the certificate in TheBat!, where is it installed, just can not find it. Marcus -- Marcus J. Using TheBat! 5.0.0.127 BETA on Windows 7 Pro Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hello all, Saturday, January 15, 2011, Stefan Tanurkov wrote: So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we will deal with them asap. Please don't forget to add a BT link, too. Thank you! well I understand You completely, but did You really tried new Image download Manager? It does not works completely! Non-working parts must be removed if they will not work before release. It is better to confuse users, they are waiting long time to see non-working things... And Virtual folders are not updated correctly, You must fix this too. And I am one who has problems with View modes? :-( Every start produces strange results, menu and context menu displays different VM than folder has and BTW do You really want to publish build with current Hints system and current templates? some showstoppers from BT: After upgrade from 4.2, message date of old messages is +2 hours https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8295 Received attachments can not be deleted since 5.0.0.127 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8330 Sending message is not possible via MAPI account in 5.0 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8329 Sometimes preview of IMAP message is empty since 5.0.0.127 beta https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8312 Menu entry Special | Open reply does not work https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8314 Menu group Special | Remind later does not work https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8313 Sometimes message preview is not displayed from begin https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8306 Smartpad allways reverts selected Character set to default https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8211 -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 5.0.0.128 BETA under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7600 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.6.1 Notebook Thinkpad, Core2 Duo 2.40 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Delete Server certificate
Hello all, Saturday, January 15, 2011, Marcus Jaeger wrote: I have a problem that drives me crazy. I changed the name of my mailserver and installed a new server Certificate, official one. The IP address of the server is still the same. Now TheBat! still wants to use the old certificate when I try to use TSL/SSL. Where can I delete the certificate in TheBat!, where is it installed, just can not find it. they are placed in Address Book, there is Trusted Root CA one. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 5.0.0.128 BETA under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7600 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.6.1 Notebook Thinkpad, Core2 Duo 2.40 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hi Stefan, difficult to (re)write code for more than a year and not to make a release, it's just too much of pressure. I hope you're understand what I'm trying to say. I see your point, but make sure that you don't add new functionality then that isn't working yet (to name but a few: hints, image manager). So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we will deal with them asap. Please don't forget to add a BT link, too. I'll try to check for BT later this day, but here are the annoyances for v.5 that really bother me: - No update of a common folder after a message from an IMAP account was filtered into it. The folder count gets updated though. Switch to a different folder and back shows the updated content okay. - Mailticker ages not working. Therefore I switched off Mailticker completely. As I tend to leave messages unread till I worked on them. - Tabs not correctly refreshing. If you have a quick search tab and switch to unread the content stays. Only 'All' triggers a refresh. - With a quick search filter active and a message displayed in the message window if you switch to another folder with no results for the quick search the message is still shown. Very confusing. - IMAP folder management needs to be reworked for release. Currently everyone tries to set there preferences there to no avail. -- Best regards Raymund Using 5.0.0.128 BETA on Windows 7 (64 Bit) Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hi all, ah, I forgot my top one: - Don't even think about sending a mail from a common folder with identity set (to an IMAP folder?). Because you end up with several parked messages that obviously contain drafts. See attached picture. -- Best regards Raymund Using 5.0.0.128 BETA on Windows 7 (64 Bit) attachment: parkedmessages.png Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Delete Server certificate
Hello Marek, Thanks, I guess I was dreaming, overlooked it in TheBat! and forgot to change in one area in the mailserver. Saturday, 15 January 2011, 09:59:24, you wrote: I have a problem that drives me crazy. I changed the name of my mailserver and installed a new server Certificate, official one. The IP address of the server is still the same. Now TheBat! still wants to use the old certificate when I try to use TSL/SSL. Where can I delete the certificate in TheBat!, where is it installed, just can not find it. they are placed in Address Book, there is Trusted Root CA one. -- Marcus J. Using TheBat! 5.0.0.127 BETA on Windows 7 Pro Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Sveiki, Saturday, January 15, 2011, 9:55:37 AM, you wrote: Hello All, During the last year, most of the program's code was completely rewritten because of the architectural changes to make IMAP working properly. I know that there is still a lot of things to do and to fix, but we need to make a milestone release - there are just too many reason to do it and the main one is psychological - it's really difficult to (re)write code for more than a year and not to make a release, it's just too much of pressure. I hope you're understand what I'm trying to say. That milestone release shoud be BETA. Current state of client is Alpha and really not ready for general public. So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we will deal with them asap. Please don't forget to add a BT link, too. Thank you! 1. Syncronization complete doesn't work. 2. Browse deleted messages shows only messages deleted from local cache and only for current session. All other messages flaged as deleted before or from other clients doesn't show up. Also preference for this doesn't stick after program restart. 3. When deleting multiple emails some messages are not deleted from local cache. You can still see them in the list and they disappear when switching folders. 4. Message list is not refreshed if emails are deleted from another client. 5. New thread sorting doesn't work most of the time. 6. Moving messages to Trash and marking them as read setting doesn't work. 7. Window split mode sizes are not remembered after restart in this version. 8. Image Manager is complete mess. Doesn't remember size window. Some buttons doesn't work as expected. Though I don't use it at all. 9. Links in mouseover overlay still appear even if hints are disabled. This is very annoying. I saw Marek Mikus filled a lot of major bugs in BT too. -- Best regards, Vilius Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hello Stefan and everybody, I've just downloaded 5.0 for the first time yesterday, so I have a fresh look at how it is different to 4.0 (as that is the version I normally use). I tested 5.0 for a few hours yesterday, and I definitely see some progress. I certainly hope that infrastructural changes will allow for faster development in the future — this is a good direction. Also I hope that architectural changes will make The Bat! less prone to bugs and regressions — this has been a major problem up to date. I hope for a cleaner, less-cluttered and more intuitive interface to appear during 5.x series (I already see some progress in this area too!). What I want to say is, it seems to me you've taken a good path. Having say the above I must also say this: current state of 5.0 is alpha. There is a number of features not working at all or misbehaving in an obvious way. If you want to make a “release”, which I understand (the “pressure thing you wrote about”) you may consider cutting out the misbehaving features first and then calling a release “an official beta”, a “preview” etc. This will allow you to close, summarize a certain period of work, without sending your audience a false message that 5.0 is actually ready to completely replace 4.x series. As for a list of bugs I absolutely agree with Raymund and Marek! Let me just draw your attention to some of them that are particularly annoying to me: * view modes misbehaving heavily, for example new thread sorting doesn't work at all, * selecting folders for IMAP and making them synchronize is a nightmare — I had to look in three different places: account properties, IMAP folder management and folder properties. What I ended up with is far from perfect: I see the usual folders and a folder [Gmail] below them in which there are all my gmail folders. I'd like to have things in the same way as I have them in Gmail; * there is annoying something appearing every now and then as I hover messages; it looks like a scaled-down message preview, but it is of no use; I'd keep that off by default * view modes are not saved at all This brings me to another point: one particularly nasty recurring issue in TB is not saving or not applying settings (this existed in 4.2 message list tabs; exists now in viewmodes). I mean that you may have two objects set up in the same way (for example two message list tabs) which have exactly the same checkboxes checked etc. but yet they work differently. You may fix these bugs on a more general level by doing two things: creating an abstraction layer for saving/reading settings and switching to a text-based settings storage. This last step would greatly facilitate bugs diagnosis, since also end users could see what's wrong. Regards, KT Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Dear Stefan, @15-Jan-2011, 09:55 +0200 (15-Jan 07:55 here) Stefan Tanurkov [ST] in mid:715772315.20110115095...@thebat.net said to All: ... snip ST So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we ST will deal with them asap. Please don't forget to add a BT link, too. o Some embedded images do not display in this version https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8323 o 5.0.0.12 Alpha Mailticker Virtual Folder Viewmode not saved https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7972 o Auto filtering crashes IMAP in use with MDaemon 8.0.3 (no BT ref) o Cannot edit redirected mail https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8197 o Error TMailMessage released before its use. in program window https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8319 Not sure if this one is reported or what the BT reference is, but while not a crash is a major usability impediment: TB *never* checks my IMAP account for new messages unless done manually. Not even sending command line /CHECK or /CHECKALL makes it happen. IMAP fine-tune settings are set to refresh folders every 90 seconds. This does not happen. Until this works, TB doesn't actually match minimum expectations for an email client. I think these are my main problems with v5. Having said that, it has been my only mail client here for 6 months. -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v5.0.0.128 BETA on Windows 7 6.1.7600 ' pgpL5JFa1Lc2Q.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Some bugs in 5.0.0.128
Hello Darzur, Saturday, January 15, 2011, 12:48:56 AM, you wrote: To be honest I don't even know what is the difference between synchronization and folder refreshing. Both options are present in v4.2 and I'm using only synchronization. If I understand it correctly it is whether the messages are automatically downloaded to your computer or not. There are different levels. For example you can download only the message headers, or only headers and message content, but not attachments or complete message. It currently will not sync at all, meaning you have to select each message before it downloads. Once downloaded it does stay on your computer, usually. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:skcu...@fastmail.fm Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hello Marek, Saturday, January 15, 2011, 2:56:11 AM, you wrote: And I am one who has problems with View modes? :-( Every start produces strange results, menu and context menu displays different VM than folder has and No I have the problem as well. Am I the only one with filter problems? -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:skcu...@fastmail.fm Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hello Stefan, Saturday, January 15, 2011, 1:55:37 AM, you wrote: So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we will deal with them asap. Please don't forget to add a BT link, too. Thank you! Mostly reported already, but: 1) Sync does not work https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8278 2) Filtering in IMAP does not work properly https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8123 3) View Modes not working https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8191 4) Image Viewer is unusable 5) Hints need to be addressed. Especially the hint while reading a message. At least the rest of them can be turned off. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:skcu...@fastmail.fm Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
sábado, 15 ene 2011 at 08:55, it seems you wrote: So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we will deal with them asap. Please don't forget to add a BT link, too. I created a lot of BTs, but from my list the only showstopper it's this: 5.0.0.x Alpha. Deleting attachments works but you need to press ESC for refresh the message or change the current folder https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8032 It evolved from not refreshing the deletion of the attachments, to show one error message each time you try delete one attachment and one chump at TB! closing, and now with 5.0.0.128 it's not possible to delete any attachment. This other it's not showstopper but it's very easy to fix: 0008179: 5.0.0.x Alpha - Make button zone of Image Downloader Manager bigger https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8179 -- /\/ Using The Bat! 5.0.0.128 BETA Professional OTFE with iKey1000 / \ / \ / Windows XP (5.1.2600 Service Pack 3) /\/ e t \/ i c i o u s Plugins: AntiSpamSniper 3.2.6.3 and miniRelayPlug 0.05.50 Spanish Translator of The Bat! Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
On Saturday, January 15, 2011, 8:55:37, Stefan Tanurkov wrote: So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we will deal with them asap. New hints are a serious annoyance: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8189 (they're bad enough that I only tolerate them because this is not a finished version; if they make it to a release version without fixing the issues, I will start looking for another e-mail program). Ctrl+Shift+M marks all messages as read: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8336 -- Jernej Simončič http://eternallybored.org/ [ The Bat! 5.0.0.128 BETA on Windows 7 6.1.7600. ] The longer the title, the less important the job. -- McGovern's Law Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
On Saturday, January 15, 2011, 13:04:29, Krzysztof Trybowski wrote: * there is annoying something appearing every now and then as I hover messages; it looks like a scaled-down message preview, but it is of no use; I'd keep that off by default That's one of the new hints you're seeing. They can be disabled in preferences, but they still show up sometimes even if you disable them. See this bug report: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8189 -- Jernej Simončič http://eternallybored.org/ [ The Bat! 5.0.0.128 BETA on Windows 7 6.1.7600. ] A good place to start from is where you are. -- Wolf's Law of Planning Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
On Saturday, January 15, 2011, 8:55:37, Stefan Tanurkov wrote: So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we will deal with them asap. This one is very annoying as well: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8337 (next unread message in a new folder doesn't start displaying from the beginning of the message). -- Jernej Simončič http://eternallybored.org/ [ The Bat! 5.0.0.128 BETA on Windows 7 6.1.7600. ] The minute you sign a client is the minute you start to lose him. -- Public Relations Client Turnover Law Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hello Stefan! On Saturday, January 15, 2011 at 8:55:37 AM you wrote: So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we will deal with them asap. Please don't forget to add a BT link, too. Thank you! In short: almost everything reported for the UI. The sheer number of error messages I get - i.e. closing TB leads to AVs, error messages on HTML message links, Message Browser windows not closing automatically when last messages is deleted - is a showstopper for anybody, especially potential new users [even if they are aware of what 'beta' means]. Then there is filters which don't work correctly [several reports from different users], which I'd say is pretty important for an e-mail client: http://www.screencast.com/t/4eh3vJLV This may be because the messages get not marked read as thy should. These, too: - http://www.screencast.com/t/kky6QPWqm - http://www.screencast.com/t/BVxVH1nbRpLE - http://www.screencast.com/t/Os3TgJb1jKT1 - http://www.screencast.com/t/Vj3pr4eeRy - http://www.screencast.com/t/9uFNv3UfVP BTW, all this is with POP3, not IMAP! -- Dierk Haasis [DH² Publishing] The Bat 5.0.0.128 BETA on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info upon request We hold these truths to be self-evident; that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. [Thomas Jefferson] Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hi, DH The sheer number of error messages I get - i.e. closing TB leads to DH AVs, error messages [...] Do keep in mind that errors like this also exist in the current v4. Plus, v4 has modules that hardly work at all (IMAP). The question of a v5 release therefore is not whether v5 at this point in time is perfect, but whether it's better than the current v4 release. -- MfG, Altomailto:a...@treadstone79.de The Bat! 4.2.18 Christmas Edition Windows 7 6.1 build 7600 pgplp0ixDiUdf.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
On Saturday, January 15, 2011, 9:11:27 AM, Alto Speckhardt wrote: Do keep in mind that errors like this also exist in the current v4. Plus, v4 has modules that hardly work at all (IMAP). The question of a v5 release therefore is not whether v5 at this point in time is perfect, but whether it's better than the current v4 release. This is a point worth considering. It has been a number of editions of v5 since I felt the slightest temptation to revert to v4. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 5.0.0.128 BETA on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hello Alto! On Saturday, January 15, 2011 at 4:11:27 PM you wrote: The question of a v5 release therefore is not whether v5 at this point in time is perfect, but whether it's better than the current v4 release. I beg to differ. First of all, I do not have any unforeseeable errors with v4, nothing out of the blue. Quite honestly I don't remember any showstoppers. Mind, I do not use IMAP. That is not to say that v4 is perfect but it works quite well for what it was originally programmed - and it does not throw unexplainable errors at the user. The last point is vital! IME it is the little nags which put off people a lot easier than one biggie [as long as the program functions at all, which for v4 is not necessarily the case for IMAP]. At the current stage v5 looks a lot more like a lab case, to try out how developer's ideas would work in general. A case in point is the - in my view completely superfluous - new 'hints', getting in the way instead of improving handling of TB. Contemplate a potential new user of TB happening upon a program that constantly reports errors, that loses [much touted!] view modes, obstructs my reading of mails with unnecessary hints*, shows non-existing messages, does not move deleted messages to the Trash folder but simply lets them vanish, annoyingly leaves open empty Message Browser windows, does not filter correctly. Be sure, this potential user will uninstall TB within an hour or two, probably actively do negative marketing. I would probably be a little more confident if I had seen any of the reported problems go away but they stay while the release notes are rather short with many a headscratcher. Currently v5 is ALPHA, I would be slightly disappointed to see it as a BETA. It is definitely not a good idea to make this a public release. *i.e. a hint containing a link my mouse hovers over when the link in the mail is already fully shown in the mail. -- Dierk Haasis [DH² Publishing] The Bat 5.0.0.128 BETA on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info upon request A good bookshop is just a genteel Black Hole that knows how to read. [Terry Pratchett] Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hello Alto, Saturday, January 15, 2011, 10:11:27 AM, you wrote: AS The question of a v5 release therefore is not whether v5 at this AS point in time is perfect, but whether it's better than the current AS v4 release. Several times each day I consider going back to v4 knowing that: 1) my adjusted screen layout preference will return every time I open TB 2) my cursor will be in the right position to add an address when forwarding an email 3) where filtered messages that are to be marked as read are actually marked as read -- Best regards, Richardmailto:newmangr...@gmail.com -- Using The Bat! v5.0.0.128 BETA on Windows XP6 Build 7600 Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Missing progressbar (was: Re: 5.0 showstoppers)
Hello all, Saturday, January 15, 2011, Stefan Tanurkov wrote: So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we will deal with them asap. Please don't forget to add a BT link, too. Thank you! as I already reported, in 5.0 there is no progressbar when copying/moving messages between remote or local folders and when compacting folder, this is not maybe showstopper, but for basic users, this will be very missing feature to see what happens, https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8143 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8269 -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 5.0.0.128 BETA under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7600 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.6.1 Notebook Thinkpad, Core2 Duo 2.40 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Corrupted Search bar (was: Re: 5.0 showstoppers)
Hello all, Saturday, January 15, 2011, Stefan Tanurkov wrote: So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we will deal with them asap. Please don't forget to add a BT link, too. Thank you! since Quick search was removed from Smartpad and new buggy Search bar was introduced, I am really missing working search feature, since it has following issues: Smartpad: Focus is not placed in search field when is Ctrl+F used https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8141 Smartpad: Clipboard is pasted to Smartpad window, even cursor is placed in search field https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8142 Smartpad: Button Search left in new Search bar do not work https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8146 -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 5.0.0.128 BETA under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7600 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.6.1 Notebook Thinkpad, Core2 Duo 2.40 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hi Marck, Not sure if this one is reported or what the BT reference is, but while not a crash is a major usability impediment: TB *never* checks my IMAP account for new messages unless done manually. Confirmed here. I always thought that was an issue with hibernation... Having said that, it has been my only mail client here for 6 months. Same here. It's interesting what you can bear if it comes to The Bat! :-) -- Best regards Raymund Using 5.0.0.128 BETA on Windows 7 (64 Bit) Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Stuart, On 15-01-2011 14:39, you wrote in mid:15410022090.20110115073...@fastmail.fm: Mostly reported already, but: 1) Sync does not work https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8278 2) Filtering in IMAP does not work properly https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8123 3) View Modes not working https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8191 These are my main three - and the reason why I cannot use the 5.x series. Also if the View mode changed bug has not been ironed out, this need to be fixed as well. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 4.2.36.4 Pro /thebat version extras MyGate, RSS /extras env. 4 IMAP (Courier) 1 IMAP (Fastmail), 1 POP3 MyGate, 350K+ msgs. /env. os Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 /os Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
properly. I know that there is still a lot of things to do and to fix, but we need to make a milestone release - there are just too many reason to do it and the main one is psychological - it's really difficult to (re)write code for more than a year and not to make a release, it's just too much of pressure. I hope you're understand what I'm trying to say. No. If I am not ready with the scientific paper, I dont publish. If the carmaker is not ready with the steering wheel, the car is not sold. So, please post your showstoppers Read your mail. I know... to fix. Period. We are here not to change diapers. No, I dont get what you try to say. Come out with a flawless version for a change. Vili Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hi, DH That is not to say that v4 is perfect but it works quite well for DH what it was originally programmed - and it does not throw DH unexplainable errors at the user. Good one. If I wrote a report for every runtime error or other failure v4 is giving me in daily use, you'd have trouble finding the few messages on this list that did not originate from me. DH [as long as the program functions at all, which for v4 is not DH necessarily the case for IMAP]. You said it. Please don't think that since you don't see too many issues with limited use (as is POP3 only) that all is well with v4. DH A case in point is the - in my view completely superfluous - new DH 'hints', getting in the way instead of improving handling of TB. At this point in time I couldn't care less if the vehicle that is v5 is sporting 500 PS or 550 PS. I'd be quite satisfied if it had four wheels. DH Contemplate a potential new user of TB happening upon a program that DH constantly reports errors [...] Which is the current v4. Thanks for proving my point. -- MfG, Altomailto:a...@treadstone79.de The Bat! 4.2.18 Christmas Edition Windows 7 6.1 build 7600 pgpplAk7CECPG.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hello Alto! On Saturday, January 15, 2011 at 8:39:06 PM you wrote: At this point in time I couldn't care less if the vehicle that is v5 is sporting 500 PS or 550 PS. I'd be quite satisfied if it had four wheels. Yes, and v5 might have some night ideas for an airbrush paintjob but it lacks doors, the hood comes of easily, three of the four tyres installed are either flat or rim only, the steering wheel goes left only, the passenger seat is a beer crate ... Sorry, it might be that v4 has severe problems, too*, but that is not the point. We are talking about v5 and its honours or shames. Just because A is nearly as bad or even worse than B doesn't make B good [enough]. BTW, many people are already leaving classical e-mail clients behind, they use Google Mail, Facebook mail, Twitter, IM. Let's not *try* putting off the few remaining folks [most of them in a businss contxt]. *And back when we talked a lot about IMAP being just retrofitted. -- Dierk Haasis [DH² Publishing] The Bat 5.0.0.128 BETA on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info upon request Statistics are like bikinis: What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hello Alto, Saturday, January 15, 2011, 8:39:06 PM, you wrote: DH Contemplate a potential new user of TB happening upon a program that DH constantly reports errors [...] AS Which is the current v4. Thanks for proving my point. Not this beta!... -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 4.2.33.1 Beta MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows XP Professional/5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 (0 days 12:43:25) on Dual Intel Pentium III Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Virtual folders (was:Re: 5.0 showstoppers)
Hello all, Saturday, January 15, 2011, Stefan Tanurkov wrote: So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we will deal with them asap. Please don't forget to add a BT link, too. Thank you! please fix virtual folders, they are not working during whole alpha and betatest. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 5.0.0.128 BETA under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7600 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.6.1 Notebook Thinkpad, Core2 Duo 2.40 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hello All, During the last year, most of the program's code was completely rewritten because of the architectural changes to make IMAP working properly. I know that there is still a lot of things to do and to fix, but we need to make a milestone release - there are just too many reason to do it and the main one is psychological - it's really difficult to (re)write code for more than a year and not to make a release, it's just too much of pressure. I hope you're understand what I'm trying to say. So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we will deal with them asap. Please don't forget to add a BT link, too. Thank you! Stefan - I have no IMAP accounts and can not even load the beta. -- Rick Few will have the greatness to bend history; however, each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope... and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance. - Robert F. Kennedy v4.2.42 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hi Stefan, Saturday, January 15, 2011, 12:55:37 AM, you wrote: ST Hello All, ST During the last year, most of the program's code was completely ST rewritten because of the architectural changes to make IMAP working ST properly. I know that there is still a lot of things to do and to ST fix, but we need to make a milestone release - there are just too ST many reason to do it and the main one is psychological - it's really ST difficult to (re)write code for more than a year and not to make a ST release, it's just too much of pressure. I hope you're understand ST what I'm trying to say. Yes, I understand that. I would have melted down long ago faced with your tasks (I am 68 years old, but I might have melted down even with this task even when I was 40). You all must have the patience of Job and have the mentalities of research scientists looking for disease cures for many years, bit by bit. I hope your family lives haven't suffered too much. ST So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we ST will deal with them asap. Please don't forget to add a BT link, too. ST Thank you! I don't exhaust all the features, so don't have any showstoppers to write about. But I will say that for my Gmail account with the IMAP option, versions 5 have worked better than versions 4.2xx ever did. There has been no problem handling an inbox queue (unlike versions 4). I am about to return to using TB as my primary, instead of Thunderbird. It is only a matter of time (and that is based upon my schedule of tasks, not based upon what more work you're doing). Thanks to Maxim and you and the team at Rit Labs for your work. And may the new year bring forth gifts and joy THROUGH you and TO you. -- Take Care, Bob -- Let there be peace on earth, and let it begin with me. This is our function, our challenge, our fulfillment - and our inheritance, to accept, embrace and share beyond all manmade boundaries. Using The Bat! 5.0.0.128 BETA Windows 7 6.1 build 7600 Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers - P.S.
Hi Stefan, Saturday, January 15, 2011, 12:55:37 AM, you wrote: [snip] ST So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we ST will deal with them asap. Please don't forget to add a BT link, too. ST Thank you! My P.S. to my last message - my inbox filters are working perfectly with Gmail's IMAP and TB! -- Take Care, Bob -- Let there be peace on earth, and let it begin with me. This is our function, our challenge, our fulfillment - and our inheritance, to accept, embrace and share beyond all manmade boundaries. Using The Bat! 5.0.0.128 BETA Windows 7 6.1 build 7600 Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
5.0.0.129
The Bat! 5.0.0.129 BETA is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb500129.rar What's new in 5.0.0.129 since 5.0.0.128: [-] (#0008324) Image Download Manager : Access Violation when hit Move down button in 5.0.0.128 [-] (#0008321) Missing string Valid until version x.x in About dialog [-] (#0008234) Untranslatable warning Please enter the recipient's address in Redirect dialog [-] (#0008235) Untranslatable Begin / Substr / Equal / RegulExp in Image download manager [-] (#0008249) Untranslatable IMAP string Disconnected in account log [-] (#0008201) unlimited error boxes (System Error Code 5) after starting screen saver [-] (#0008330) Deletion of attachment wasn't possible since .127 (Beta issue) [-] (#0008296) Message Preview was not cleared when an empty or no folder was selected (Beta issue) [-] (#0008216) IMAP Connection Centre strings are not available for translation [-] (#0008306) Sometimes, messages were not displayed from the beginning (Beta issue) Current beta is 5.0.0.129 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Hi Stefan, On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 09:55:37 +0200 UTC (1/15/2011, 1:55 AM -0600 UTC my time), Stefan Tanurkov wrote: S So, please post your showstoppers as replies to this message and we S will deal with them asap. Please don't forget to add a BT link, too. S Thank you! Certainly others have posted their stoppers, but mine is simple. I am still getting AVs when moving to a different message. This does not happen often, but often enough to be bothersome. Once the AVs start in a TB session, they continue. I am sending exception log to you off list. Regards, -- Gary Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.0.129
Hello all, Saturday, January 15, 2011, Maxim Masiutin wrote: The Bat! 5.0.0.129 BETA is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb500129.rar U R but still split mode not saved, separators are set to default after restart :-( What's new in 5.0.0.129 since 5.0.0.128: [-] (#0008324) Image Download Manager : Access Violation when hit Move down button in 5.0.0.128 fixed here [-] (#0008330) Deletion of attachment wasn't possible since .127 (Beta issue) when I downloaded attachment, message header pane and preview pane disappeared and No message loaded appeared after second [-] (#0008296) Message Preview was not cleared when an empty or no folder was selected (Beta issue) fixed here -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 5.0.0.129 BETA under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7600 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.6.1 Notebook Thinkpad, Core2 Duo 2.40 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 5.0.0.129
Hello all, Saturday, January 15, 2011, Marek Mikus wrote: [-] (#0008330) Deletion of attachment wasn't possible since .127 (Beta issue) when I downloaded attachment, message header pane and preview pane disappeared and No message loaded appeared after second sorry, I meant deleted -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 5.0.0.129 BETA under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7600 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.6.1 Notebook Thinkpad, Core2 Duo 2.40 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 5.0.0.129
Hello all, Saturday, January 15, 2011, Zygmunt Wereszczynski wrote: when I downloaded attachment, message header pane and preview pane disappeared and No message loaded appeared after second This lack of message was only for a while, it was displayed correctly after re-selecting it. but this is not correct behaviour and incomplete fix :-) -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 5.0.0.129 BETA under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7600 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.6.1 Notebook Thinkpad, Core2 Duo 2.40 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.0.129
Hello all, Saturday, January 15, 2011, Maxim Masiutin wrote: [-] (#0008321) Missing string Valid until version x.x in About dialog [-] (#0008234) Untranslatable warning Please enter the recipient's address in Redirect dialog [-] (#0008249) Untranslatable IMAP string Disconnected in account log fixed [-] (#0008235) Untranslatable Begin / Substr / Equal / RegulExp in Image download manager can not confirm as fixed [-] (#0008216) IMAP Connection Centre strings are not available for translation still some strings untranslatable, list in BT report -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 5.0.0.129 BETA under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7600 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.6.1 Notebook Thinkpad, Core2 Duo 2.40 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 showstoppers
Dear Gary, @15-Jan-2011, 15:40 -0600 (15-Jan 21:40 here) Gary [G] in mid:446197423.20110115154012@localhost said to Stefan: ... snip G getting AVs when moving to a different message. This does not happen often, G but often enough to be bothersome. Once the AVs start in a TB session, they G continue. I am sending exception log to you off list. I class this as part of the behaviour I see when I get the TMailMessage released before its use. error. So - confirmed! -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v5.0.0.129 BETA on Windows 7 6.1.7600 ' pgpWJP6ZGMiTo.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.0.129
Hallo Maxim, On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 23:39:19 +0200GMT (15-1-2011, 22:39 , where I live), you wrote: MM The Bat! 5.0.0.129 BETA is available at Closing TB gives me this: Date: 16 Jan 2011 02:27:01 OS: Windows Vista Service Pack 2 build 6002 PhysMemFreeTotal: 2529/4093 MB VirtMemFreeTotal: 1870/2047 MB Address: 00BFF11B ClassName: EMailActionListLeak Message: Resource leak: 1 instance(s) of TAbstractMailAction left: TImapMsgSetFlagsAction: 1 IsOSException: 0 Modules: 0040 20110115212844 C:\Program Files (x86)\The Bat!\thebat.exe Stack: 00BFF11B [0040] 00BFF116 [0040] 00403044 [0040] 00405B84 [0040] 00406AA2 [0040] 0046866B [0040] 0046D161 [0040] 00403044 [0040] 00404BA8 [0040] 00404F9E [0040] 00BFF4A8 [0040] 00C89591 [0040] 00406386 [0040] 00C871B0 [0040] 00C8C812 [0040] 00C8C86B [0040] 00C93150 [0040] -- Groetjes, Roelof Borg Moderator: Your Topic is Irrelevant. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 5.0.0.129 BETA Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 6 pop3 accounts, 1 imap account OTFE disabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgp8PqqPRgHQj.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.0.129
Hi Maxim, On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 23:39:19 +0200 UTC(1/15/2011, 3:39 PM -0600 UTC my time), Maxim Masiutin wrote: M The Bat! 5.0.0.129 BETA is available at M http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb500129.rar M What's new in 5.0.0.129 since 5.0.0.128: I have had two complete crashes of TB due to resource leaks. Exception logs sent to Stefan. This beta is very unstable to me. -- Gary Current beta is 5.0.0.128 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
