Re: [LNG Pack] Languages' names in themselves
Hi there! On 1 May 00, at 20:12, Andrew K. Lovetski wrote about "[LNG Pack] Languages' names in them": Chinese It's hieroglyphic;-( Get the manual for your monitor off your bookshelve, you'll find it there probably;-) Swedish Apparently, Svensk. But you'd better get some Swedish guy to confirm;-) The country itself is called Sverige. Finnish The country itself called Suomi. I'm not sure how the language is called. -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: Only someone who understands something absolutely can explain it so no one else can understand it. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: too annoying little interface bugs
Hi there! On 2 May 00, at 21:37, Jast wrote about "too annoying little interface bugs": - fit the quick search window in the task bar area instead of having it floating, start a quick search: the window will jump somewhere else again. Confirmed; although this is generally true, there exists a workaround: place your cursor (using the mouse) into the docked quick search window and type in your search phrase = the panel stays docked just fine. - contact groups names changed directly in the window and not through the properties dialog aren't saved after exiting The Bat! Confirmed. A slight one from me: three-pane view. Suppose the folders pane is active, suppose the message currently "previewed" contains attachments. Now try NOT touching the mouse to get the attachment icon selected;-) You'll fail, believe me;-) _But_ there again exists a workaround: press Tab four times, then down-arrow. The attachment gets highlighted. How comes?;-) Another one in the same sphere. IMHO, Tabbing in the three-pane default view should transfer one from folder pane to the message list, then to message preview, then (if applicable) to attachments pane, then back to folders pane. Am I right? Now check it yourself;-)) And finally yet another one: in _any_ split mode _but_ default one, a number of horizontal scrollbars are missing from the panes. Just test it yourself;-) Anyone else?;-) -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: A penny saved is ridiculous. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Hi there! On 2 May 00, at 23:12, SyP wrote about "Re: The Bat! - bug report": Would-be National Mottos: Poland: "We probably would have had a happier history if we were between Canada and Mexico, not Germany and Russia." ROTFLMAO!!! -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: Speed Kills - Use Windows! --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: attachments sent as octet stream again
Hi there! On 28 Apr 00, at 11:50, Gary wrote about "Re[2]: attachments sent as octet stream again": It seems that anytime I send an attachment now, it is sent as octet, even this exe file. I have not tried this with Beta 20 though. Anyone have any thoughts, comments, or suggestions? S That's an example of MIME-Encapsulation and base64 encoding. It's one S of those Good Things (tm). :-) The recipient does not get an attachment, although I send it as an attachment, but his email is filled with octet in the message body, as above. This has been happening a lot with my attachments to various people. What e-mail clients are these people using? There still exist many MUAs that do not deal with MIME properly;-( Another thing: if you think it's TB responsible for these problems, will you be so kind as to send here a _full_ example (together with the headers) of the problematic message? Better yet, ask one of your correspondents to send you the offending message back _without_editing_ (i.e. resend or bounce feature, in Pegasus it's called "forward w/o editing", for example). Finally, as for your question on octet-streams, this is no problem. Executables are _usually_ sent using octet/stream content-types, although not always. In fact, content-type doesn't really matter since the only thing that _does_ is the content-transfer-encoding thing. In your case it's obviously base64, which's okay as far as I can see. -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: Don't take life too seriously; you won't get out of it alive. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: 1.42 Beta/20 is now available
Hi there! On 28 Apr 00, at 19:30, Aljoscha Rittner wrote about "Re: 1.42 Beta/20 is now available": snip 3. Different spell checker for different folders Already implemented via the %LANGUAGE macro. 4. User defined font in the folder-explorer What do you mean? In the message listing it's already implemented in the latest betas. 5. User defined sorting in folder-explorer (eg. drag 'n drop) What do you mean? In the message listing it's probably useless (since one can manually flag the messages one wants to sort to the top, then resort based on the "flagged" attribute). In the folders pane it's already implemented (Alt-dragging). 5.1 User defined moving folders in the explorer (eg. drag 'n drop) (creating a new folder and moving some folders under the new folder) It's already there. See above. 6. Please show attached images in HTML messages _in_ the HTML message - not as different attachment. I don't quite understand what you mean. There are currently three possibilities: 1. HTML message comes without images = images are not displayed. 2. HTML message comes _with_ images, the IMG SRCs are given as "local" file references (i.e. without full paths), the images themselves are attached to the message = images are displayed just fine. 3. HTML message comes with IMG SRCs where the full paths (whatever they are) are specified = malformed HTML, the images aren't displayed even if attached. I see absolutely no problem sofar. -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: As I said before, I NEVER repeat myself --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: UTF encoding
Hi there! On 23 Apr 00, at 23:15, SyP wrote about "Re[2]: UTF encoding": Pardon me? I lost the thread a bit. IIRC, Thomas got from me one UTF-7 + one UTF-8 messages, which displayed but without high-characters. Alexander sent him a non-UTF encoded HTML attachment, which was in Thai but displayed in Chinese. I did send him absolutely nothing, he received as far as I could understand the message in UTF (Thai) from somewhere else (i.e. not from me) _attached_ to another one (MIME-forwarded, in TB's terminology;-)). Chineeze was displayed instead of Thai. He looked into RFC822 headers of the message and saw there: Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary=. I responded that this is _exactly_ what should have been there in the _main_ headers; the line Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-7 should have been in the subheaders of the respective part. Hope you've regained the track of the thread;-) -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: You're not drunk if you can lie on the floor without holding on. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: problem with filtering mail with characters
Hi there! On 19 Apr 00, at 7:43, Nick Andriash wrote about "Re: problem with filtering mail wit": I have to disagree here. TB's filtering is _almost_ all right, although it really lacks some power due to the limitations "built in" this system of filters of four "flavours": inbox, outbox, read, replied. If this limitation is delt with in some meaningful way (that is, it should be possible to logically group filters and to "attach" such groups to the user-specified folders, for the first place), TB's filtering will become awesome;-) All the necessary actions are all there already, (almost) all the necessary triggers are also implemented -- so, what else do you need? As for Eudora's filtering, I failed to see _any_ power in it at all (judging by Eudora 4.something I suddenly decided to down about a year ago or so;-)). It _might_ seem user-friendly, but then it's much less functional then the filtering system of TB. I don't think one needs the "user-friendlyness" at the cost of the _quality_: such a decision is _too_ much a M$-like;-) As much as I love TB!, it has to have one of the most limited and confusing filtering systems. It becomes such a frustrating experience when you are trying to figure out if you need quote marks, double quote marks, or apostrophes. When you _create_ a filter with TB!, my presumption is that it should simply work... Just the way TB! sets it up! :o) It doesn't and never has! In addition, the limitations under "Location" is a real drawback. Hopefully they will resolve all that, in 2.0 They should look at Eudora's filtering system... one of the most powerful and user friendly I've ever seen. Those are the key words... "user friendliness"... THAT is what TB! is lacking in it's filtering. -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: There's always one more bug. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Messages and color schemes
Hi there! On 19 Apr 00, at 16:19, Jast wrote about "Re: Messages and color schemes": Ps.: I tried to create some kind of Sorting Filter, but I can only filter for Location (Sender/Recipient/etc...) or strings not for importance :( I think it should work if you setup you filter like this: StringsLocation Presence X-Priority: 2 Kludges Yes The priority is just another string :-) Or better: X-Priority: 2 OR X-MSMail-Priority: High OR Priority: urgent (note that I'm not quite sure what the possible values of X-MSMail-Priority: header may be, consult the messages received from LookOut users yourself). Or even better, you might combine all three in a regexp;-) This decision could make the resulting filter more robust against the possibly problematic things like X-Priority:2 or whatever. -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: The best way to accelerate Windows is at escape velocity. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Tearline problem -- enter when using PGP maybe?
Hi there! On 13 Apr 00, at 17:08, phil wrote about "Re[2]: Tearline problem -- enter ": Now that I have several examples to play with I may start experimenting with REGEXP a little bit myself. Knowing only Basic, it's pretty cryptic looking to me, but I bet I can fight my way through learning some of it, since Peter, and others have provided several different examples. Just looking at the help files alone I got frustrated and decided to just ask Peter for a macro. Actually, a rather good Perl course is available here: http://www.netcat.co.uk/rob/perl/win32perltut.html Unfortunately (for me;-))) it's in English. The more in-depth things are available in Russian (unfortunately for most of you;-)), but I failed to find this circle of things in English... -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: If you don't like the answer, you shouldn't have asked the question. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: SOT : HTML Filter [was Re: No Attachments]
Hi there! On 12 Apr 00, at 9:58, Syafril Hermansyah wrote about "SOT : HTML Filter [was Re: No Attac": Talking about HTML message on Mailing List, I was seeking the way to convert any HTML message to plain text (for List purpose) without success. Anyone can give me the clue ? Of course, might be done by explicitely calling appropriate Perl script (or whatever program that would convert HTML to plain text, I know there exist plenty of such apps available), but it's too clumsy a solution IMHO. Better to wait until v2 permits plugins... -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is research. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: SOT : HTML Filter
Hi there! On 12 Apr 00, at 10:55, Syafril Hermansyah wrote about "Re: SOT : HTML Filter": What's your "String" for detection ? Currently I have test with : multipart/alternative multipart/mixed text/html any other "string" I forgot ? multipart/mixed is wrong. Should be _only_ /alternative and /html, otherwise it will match absolutely _all_ the messages containing attachments of any sort. -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: The two most common things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: missing icons
Hi there! On 12 Apr 00, at 12:12, Thomas Fernandez wrote about "Re: missing icons": BTW did you know that your PGP signature messes up the sig delimiter functionality? Actually, I don't think you need to sign your messages on this list, believe you anyway! :-) Before accusing people and brainwashing them on-list, you'd better read the list traffic carefully yourself. I've posted a regexp-based macro that takes care of PGP-signed messages (this macro actually replaces the built-in support for stripping out signatures) more then a month ago. Seems to me you had _enough_ time to learn how to use it. This macro has been reposted by Allie Martin here _today_. Once again, I don't think anybody _but_ moderators have right to tell the listmembers what standards concerning messages to-list apply. I've _never_ heard that PGP-signed messages aren't permitted here. -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: Dictatorship (n): a form of government under which everything which is not prohibited is compulsory. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why do the Bat! waste my resources so terrible?????????
Hi there! On 10 Apr 00, at 0:30, SyP wrote about "Re: Why do the Bat! waste my resour": Is this really that much waste? The smaller the .exe, the more the swap/pagefile can grow anyway :) I think they use ASPpack because it somewhat hinders those crackers. Otherwise they would use UPX, which compresses better, but won't create an un-uncompressable file. Here's what crackers say to this. Seems it doesn't really matter whether TB is exe-packed or not... ù A: This mempatch-server consists of .exe and .dll file that will be ù ù located in your system directory. The server starts up every time ù ù system does. Then it sleeps and awakes every time new application is ù ù started. It makes a quick check if it's The Bat! executable or not, ù ù and if it is - it patches the program's memory after it's unpacked. ù ù PLEASE NOTE: The server stays resident (runs all the time), but it ù ù takes _negligible_ system resources.ù ù ù ù Q: How to use? ù ù A: It's probably the most simple part. press 'Install' and forget ù ù about it. If you need to uninstall it - press 'Uninstall', then ù ù restart the puter and that's it.ù ù ù ù Q: Why so complicated? ù ù A.Because.First of all, using RSA-512 in the program's ù ù code-checking routine makes writing a keymaker virtually impossible. ù ù Second, this program is packed/protected with ASProtect, one of the ù ù most powerful protectors available. Third, I hate loaders... it suchs ù ù when you have to run another program instead of the original .exe ù ù every time. Forth, it's the idea behind this mempatch-server isn't ù ù complicated at all. Fifth, it works with ANY The Bat! version!! (see ù ù below) ù -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: Advertising (n): the science of arresting the human intelligence for long enough to get money from it. -- Stephen Leacock. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Getting some bad attachments sent
Hi there! On 2 Apr 00, at 9:18, tracer wrote about "Re[3]: Getting some bad attachments": Custom Today's thought for Alex: As easy as 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841. Dangerous thing to use, he may TRY giving you the other digits (g) Nah, I never need to know what pi is equal to;-) Pi is pi, two pi is a whole circle (360 degrees), 1/2 of pi is an imaginary unit (i), that's about all one needs to know;-) 3.14 is a _far_ too good an estimate for my purposes;-)) -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: To err is Human. To blame someone else is politics. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Getting some bad attachments sent
Hi there! On 1 Apr 00, at 15:14, Gary wrote about "Getting some bad attachments sent": I have on several occasions sent some attachments (MIME coded - Alt - page up, or just dragging them in the editor), and the recipients have not been getting them. This is a sample of what they have received, in part. In this case, the mailer on recipient's end was Microsoft Outlook Express. The information you supplied below isn't enough to judge, what was the real case of decoding failure. Please ask your recipient to supply the _whole_ message he received in the MSG format. What you enclosed below seems to be a valid part of MIME multipart message... In any case, your recipient can save the whole undecoded message to a file and try to open it with WinZip or whatever utility capable of extracting encoded data. P.S. If the mailer on the other side was LookOut Espresso, I'm not pretty much surprised that the problems arose;-) You could recommend that person to change his MUA;-)) -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: The size of a program expands to fill all available memory. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Getting some bad attachments sent
Hi there! On 1 Apr 00, at 16:46, Gary wrote about "Re[2]: Getting some bad attachments sent": A The information you supplied below isn't enough to judge, what was A the real case of decoding failure. Please ask your recipient to A supply the _whole_ message he received in the MSG format. What you A enclosed below seems to be a valid part of MIME multipart A message... She already trashed it. I sent it to her again as a test, and changed my default encoding from Latin-1 to None, and she was able to open it just fine. Should be of no difference. Default encoding modifies the subheaders of the first (textual) part of MIME multipart message, whereas the information necessary for correct decoding of attachments is contained in the main headers of the message and subheaders of the _second_ part. Custom Today's thought for Alex: As easy as 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841. ;-) Should be "..." instead of the dot at the end of the string above: pi is an irrational number;-) Anyway, we usually say "as easy as 2*2=4" here;-)) -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: The most preposterous notion that H. sapiens has ever dreamed up is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universe, wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by their prayers, and becomes petulant if He does not receive this flattery. Yet this absurd fantasy, without a shred of evidence to bolster it, pays all the expenses of the oldest, largest, and least productive industry in all history. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: NON BUG - A FEATURE REQUEST
Hi there! On 29 Mar 00, at 14:22, Dieter Hummel wrote about "Re: NON BUG - A FEATURE REQUEST": please, no upgrade your monitor replies ;-)) Too bad, that's what I just wanted to say ;-) (can't resist) Aha, Dieter, are you going to become my very personal sponsor, then?;-) A 15'' (sic!) monitor price is damn equal to a month's living here right now;-) -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: Love has reasons that reason knows nothing of. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Problem with daylight savings time / summertime?
Hi there! On 29 Mar 00, at 0:57, Peter Steiner wrote about "Problem with daylight savings time ": Here in western Europe last sunday the time zone changed from MET +0100 to MEST (??) +0200 (I'm sure i don't tell you anything new). But the message list of TB! doesn't seem to now that, it still shows the time with an offset of +0100. e.g. this message has a creation time of about 00:57 +0200, but in the outbox it is shown as 23:57 (which is +0100). Here in Russia the same situation;-) I'm now in +0400 (and the headers of this message should confirm this;-)). As for your query, please ensure that you have the "Auto-apply the Summer time" (dunno how it's called in your Windows) checkbox checked in the "timezone settings", Windows control panel. In '95 OSR2 you need to reboot after you set/unset this checkbox. -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: Advertising (n): the science of arresting the human intelligence for long enough to get money from it. -- Stephen Leacock. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: conting replies in Subject
Hi there! On 29 Mar 00, at 15:01, Marek Mikus wrote about "conting replies in Subject": can somebody tell me, if is counting of replies in Subject (Re[12]:) standard function? Some friends with UNIX mailers and threading of messages has problems with it (Mailer don't sort these mails to thread, but create new thread). AFAIK, no. At least, not in RFCs;-) And neither is it a common convention... -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: Bagpipes (n): an octopus wearing a kilt. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: detecting of character encoding
Hi there! On 29 Mar 00, at 15:59, Marek Mikus wrote about "Re[2]: detecting of character encoding": What was the From: and Subject: headers of that message? Trough my own tests, if the body of the message is in us-ascii, _but_ one of the headers contains 8bit encoded to 7bit, the reply will use the same charset the headers use. This is that message: snip Okay, Beta/6 here replies to this message with charset: us-ascii. I haven't got a clue why *your* TB would reply using windows-1250;-) Sorry. P.S. I don't want to down and install current beta until somebody confirms that the bug with incorrect decoding of From: name isn't there in Beta/8;-) See also my previous message here. -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: The best way to accelerate Windows is at escape velocity. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Okay, who wants to test this stuff?;-)
Hi there! On 25 Mar 00, at 21:31, IstvÂn SzendrÈ wrote about "Re[2]: Okay, who wants to test this": AVK But wait, I've found a bug in that script today: it won't work AVK against *your* messages (i.e. when the From: name contains 8bit, in either AVK QP or base64 form). BY the way, is this allowed or am I guilty in violating RFCs? It _is_ allowed, it's just that _I_ don't like it. Anyhow, in many existing MUAs users just won't be able to read your name properly. For example, in Pegasus with Russian font setup your surname looks exactly this way: Szendrx. And I wouldn't like my own name to be displayed God knows how;-) Therefore I use a Latin-transliterated form for From: address. In fact, my name looks differently, it's áÌÅËÓÁÎÄÒ ëÉÓÅÌ£×;-)) AVK The corrected script is attached to this one. It isn't :-((( Well, it definitely is, don't forget that I received my message back, too;-) I mean, from the list;-)) AVK BTW, if somebody wants a script that would scan a _directory_ for AVK N.msg files and autorename these in any meaningful way, judging by AVK the headers, you're welcome to ask for it sigh;-) Asking abjectly and covering his face in shame Okay, when I have time;-) One more thing: your message used the Cyrillic code page. Now whatever I do in this response, it won't change to Central European. This is a feuture of TB, and _I_ like it. Reconsider: I'm using Russian in my message to you, hence the message goes out in KOI8-R encoding. TB makes it's best to display it properly on your end, then you open the reply. _If_ TB were to use _your_ codepage in reply, it would definitely need to switch the fontscript, too, since otherwise you wouldn't be able to see your _own_ highbit characters. But then, you won't be able to see _my_ Russian text properly, too, since there are no Russian characters in the central European font script. That's why TB assumes that since you're willing to reply to a message in Russian, you _can_ read (and possibly even write;-)) Russian, and therefore it preserves the charset used in my original message (and the font script, accordingly). OTOH you always can override this by explicitely changing the encoding _after_ you open the reply (rightclicking the status line). BTW, this your message came in CE encoding, so I assume that you managed to do what you wanted to already;-) -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Attachment bug
Hi there! On 20 Mar 00, at 16:21, Gary wrote about "Attachment bug": I have found that by dragging and dropping 2 files for attachment only one is sent. The files are a "sales.cfg" file, and a "readme.txt" file (a notepad file). The "readme.txt" file is not sent. When I tried to send it by itself as an attachment (dragdrop), it does not send. Is there a problem with sending notepad files as attachments? I have been able to duplicate this several times. 1.41 works as expected. I'm able to attach any txt file and it gets sent just fine. -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: Nature abhors a hero. For one thing, he violates the law of conservation of energy. For another, how can it be the survival of the fittest when the fittest keeps putting himself in situations where he is most likely to be creamed? --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
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Re: The Bat! - suggestions [Random SMTP]
Hi there! On 5 Feb 00, at 10:18, Allie Martin wrote about "Re: The Bat! - suggestions [Random ": Considering all this, I'd say that the option suggested by you won't be useful for the majority of TB's users;-( I think that he was speaking about receiving rather than sending mail. I do agree completely with what you said about sending mail using a different SMTP server from the ISP with which you have the e-mail account. AFAIK, you may only download your mail from one SMTP server. You _cannot_ download mail from SMTP server. You _can_ download mail from POP3 or IMAP4 server. SMTP (simple mail transfer protocol) and POP3 (post office protocol, version 3) are two very different daemons that are hearing on completely different ports;-) Since Wie talked about SMTP, I understood that his SMTP is unreliable, and so he wanted to use a "backup" one when the default one wouldn't accept his mail. Maybe I misunderstood him? If he was talking about POP3 rather then SMTP, the solution to his problem exists already. Since you usually may, having connected to ISP "A", download the mail from any number of POP3 servers (including, but not limited to, the POP3 server of ISP "B"), it's as simple as that: just set up as many accounts in TB as many POP3 accounts you've got and use the function "fetch all accounts". That's all. I'd better give you the background of the problem. POP3 and SMTP are very different in the following sense: "bare" SMTP protocol includes no authentication, whereas the POP3 protocol has it (however loosy it is: the login and password are transmitted as plain text, which is a serious security flaw, of course). So the spammers are looking for the open-relay SMTP servers that they may use to *send* spam (they don't need POP3 at all, since they needn't receive anything;-)). Open relay SMTP means, that *everybody*, physically located *everywhere*, is entitled to send anything he wants through this SMTP. Besides, if the spammer uses open relay to send, he cannot be traced back, of course. Technically is works as follows: *if* my own "at work" SMTP, mph.phys.spbu.ru, was an open relay, *you* could simply telnet to it on port 25: telnet mph.phys.spbu.ru:25 Then, after the connection is established, you need nothing but telnet: EHLO CR MAIL FROM [EMAIL PROTECTED] CR . (SMTP will tell you, what to do next;-)) And that's all;-) Open relay SMTP will happily accept all this and send it to the address(es) you supply. But since all that anti-spam campaign began, there exists less and less open relays available on the Net. There exist different authentication procedures used by ISPs. Most popular are: (i) accepting mail only from a given range of IPs (i.e., the SMTP will establish connection only with the users having dialed up the ISP that owns this SMTP server); (ii) POP3 before SMTP (i.e., the user needs to first log on POP3, having shown that he *has* the right to use this server; then, SMTP will accept connection from this IP address); (iii) Modern one: RFC2554 (authentication with username/password). The items (ii) and (iii) above apparently require that these features are supported by your MUA; The Bat! supports both. But since the method (i) is AFAIK much more widely spread then the two others (in fact, most ISPs prefer it to be set this way nowadays), trying to connect to a SMTP of ISP "B" being on dialup connection provided by ISP "A" will usually just fail. Thus the feature suggested by Wie (as I understood it;- )) is hardly usable for the majority of TB's users. Am I right? You may connect to the SMTP server through any ISP's internet connection but you still have to connect to one particular server to get your e-mail. Vice versa;-) This is what Wie said: "Hope TB! Can do automatic checking of the SMTP server so if the SMTP look down or not responding for some second or minutes,.. then TB! automatic change the SMTP server address to another SMTP. [Not when sending mail,.. but when connecting to SMTP server]" -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: If it weren't for Edison, we'd be watching TV by candlelight. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions [Random SMTP]
Hi there! On 5 Feb 00, at 23:25, Wie wrote about "Re[2]: The Bat! - suggestions [Random SMTP]": AVK Considering all this, I'd say that the option suggested AVK by you won't be useful for the majority of TB's AVK users;-( I don't know my wish is useful or not,.. but i need it! It's not a valid point: the feature must be useful for the majority to be implemented. Besides, there exists another point: if the feature you're after is implemented by RIT labs, The Bat! is likely to become the "mailer of choice" for the *spammers* worldwide. This is _not_ a good advertisement for a MUA, let me assure you;-) I usually using my dial-up ISP Sending Mail [Free ISP TelkomNet], but it's often down,.. so i had to change manually SMTP server to other open relay SMTP [i have a list of open relay smtp at my country],... Where from did you get it? From the spammers conferences or from ORBS directly;-))? So i hope TB! can automaticly change the SMTP option when it find that the SMTP Server is down or didn't responding for some second or minute. I still _don't_ find it useful. It will make the life simplier just for *you* -- and spammers;-) As for the spammers, I don't care about their problems at all. As for you, just consider installing your own SMTP. For example, Mercury/32 would do (it's made by the author of Pegasus, David Harris). MercuryE (if I remember it correctly) module can route the mail itself to the SMTP server of your addressee, FYI. -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: At least fifty percent of the human race doesn't want their mother-in-law within walking distance. ---Margaret Mead's Law of Human Migration --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions [Random SMTP]
Hi there! On 6 Feb 00, at 1:37, Leif Gregory wrote about "Re: The Bat! - suggestions [Random ": [about the open relays] There are a few out there that I use for special cases (on trips away from my ISP etc.), but they are few and far in between. Please don't ask for my list, because I won't give it out. I don't want them to stop relaying because too many people use it. Even better to use the free web service offering the POP3/SMTP access. Here in Russia the best choice IMHO is http://www.mail.ru (or, for English interface, goto http://eng.mail.ru). This server is physically located in Moscow now (GMT +0300), so it might be a good choice for those who live not very far away;-). Such systems make it possible to use their SMTP server not depending on which dialup account (dialup of which ISP) you're using. The best way to solve this problem is to find a more reliable ISP. This of course is easy in the U.S., but Wie may not from there, and therefore unable to do this. If this is the case, I'd complain every time that the SMTP server is down. Read your contract with the ISP. If they say that you are supposed to have close to 100% up-time on it, hold them to it. ;-) Leif, it would be next to impossible here, in St.Petersburg;-) We've got many ISPs here (*I* know up to 20 of them), but neither (except a *very* expensive one) is quite reliable;-( There even exists a joke concerning www.cityline.ru: On the eve of the Armageddon, when the people were in church waiting for the End of the world, the skies suddenly opened and the God's face showed. "My belowed children", -- he started... Then, suddenly, the skies closed again. After a short while, the God revealed himself once again. Frowning severely, he said "%^%%^ Cityline!!!" -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions [Random SMTP]
Hi there! On 5 Feb 00, at 13:01, Allie Martin wrote about "Re: The Bat! - suggestions [Random SMTP]": You _cannot_ download mail from SMTP server. Anyway, I've used POP to both send and receive mail but yes, POP3 cannot be used for sending, it's only for receiving. Even IMAP4 cannot send, it can only receivemanage server-side. The only protocol existing that can be used for sending is SMTP (to say nothing about UUCP, which's both sending/receiving and on which this my account is based in fact;-)) SMTP is only for sending mail. Wie is therefore not being very clear when he says he wants a change of SMTP *not* when sending mail. What else would he be doing with it. Yup, that's why I told in my initial posting in this thread "if i understand you correctly";-) Interestingly, with regards to my two ISP's, if I'm connected to either of them, I can only send messages where my reply address is the e-mail address for that particular account. I can't simply use any e-mail address. I will get the message about this ISP not relaying for others etc. Is this right? It's one of the _stupid_ anti-spam measures that some ISPs exploit heavily. It checks your Reply-To: against what your MUA says in the SMTP session (it needs to introduce you to SMTP server by saying: MAIL FROM [EMAIL PROTECTED] or whatever). If your Reply-To: is not the same as your address as stated in the SMTP envelope, SMTP server thinks it's weird and rejects your message. FYI, when you're _sending_ to AOL, your message can be undelivered if the address in SMTP envelope doesn't equal your address in Reply-To: field. AOL checks for this upon _receiving_ messages from the outer world and just trashes all the messages that don't fit this criteria (it even doesn't generate the rejection message, so you never know was your message delivered or what). Shouldn't I be able to send mail with any e-mail address via SMTP A if I am connected to ISP A? I thought that the relay block kicked in when trying to send mail via SMTP A when connected to ISP B. Yes, but not limited to. Of course, you might want to talk this with your ISP admin, but _usually_ they won't listen to you. Of course, you might wish to tell them that they have no legal right to "read" your messages, which is what they clearly are doing by looking into the Reply-To: field... The result depends on what is stated in your contract with them. -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: A little ignorance can go a long way. ...in the direction of maximum harm. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Re[2]: The Bat! - suggestions [Random SMTP]
Hi there! On 5 Feb 00, at 19:23, Beat Strasser wrote about "Re[2]: The Bat! - suggestions [Random SMTP]": Ah, but that's different! What *you* mean is that if you first dialup+SMTP pair is not responding, you want TB to try dialing another dialup+SMTP pair. That's quite reasonable, and I'd support such a wish if implemented as an option. No, I don't. Sorry, I didn't express myself correctly. I don't wanna TB dial my connections (because I hate these automatic things). I want TB to make the best of my current connection. So, *he* has to change the SMTP server. At the moment, this is me who does the job... very annoying. I have to stress the following idea once more: _if_ you happen to use open relay SMTP, it's in fact dangerous for _you_, since chances are *high* that it's already blacklisted (you might check www.orbs.org and/or www.rbl.org to ensure). And _if_ it is blacklisted, certain percentage of *your* messages probably gets *never* delivered (!!!). The fact that you don't get formal "rejection messages" proves nothing, since the logic is: "if we get a message from a blacklisted server, we denote it as SPAM. If it *is* spam, there is no need to generate a rejection message". This is how AOL and many others work. OTOH, if you _don't_ have access to the open relay SMTP, the feature you are struggling for *will never work for you*. Am I clear here? That would be the great thing. If a mail can't be sent through the first smtp (because it is not responding or you're relaying), TB will try the next server in the list... Why not? Because there is no sense in doing so; because it means that the server logs will get overfilled with "connection unsuccessful" entries -- and your postmaster won't be grateful to you for all that crap _you_ generated; because it means that The Bat! will eventually become the *favourite* tool of _spammers_, which is the worst advertisement one can only think of; finally because the fact that your open relay SMTP server, provided that it's not blacklisted yet, will _get_blacklisted_ in a short time, and you'll loss this functionality anyhow. Enough? If that's not enough, I'll pretend to be Steve Lamb and say "Do Not Do It! It's against the way it is _supposed_ to work!" There exist tools that *do it in the _right_ way*! Goto www.let.rug.nl/pegasus. Download Mercury/32 (it's free). Install and setup it the way _you_ wish. Set TB up to use Mercury as your SMTP server. That's _all_. What can be more simple? And let's finally put the end to this thread here. Just remember: the feature you wish to get is _WRONG_. Do Not Do It! -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: In any household, junk accumulates to fill the space available for its storage. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: amazing
Hi there! On 5 Feb 00, at 14:17, phil wrote about "amazing": To: this Alex Person on [EMAIL PROTECTED] First of all: my name (_real_ name, not that "phil" thingy) is Alexander V. Kiselev, not "this Alex Person". Please care to use either my fullname, or my shortname (Alex), or don't address me at all. This is amazing how you argue this point to the grave - yet don't even use the bat? How come I wonder? Who are you exactly? See my signature -- or my web page. I don't use TB for every-day usage, since it doesn't fit my needs. But since TB has some wonderful features, and especially superb 8bit support, I prefer to keep my hand on pulse of this project. I hope a day will come when I'll switch my daily e-mail traffic to The Bat!. What would be your true motivation. Mr SPAM hater? I dont think so there are plenty of other resources than you surely. Personally I don't like spam either. But, until every admin puts forth and actively participates in a security program this is not a reality. This paragraph doesn't make sense from the point of view of pure logic. I see you have a nice website about Math. If your into math, why you so interested in thebat I wonder? Because I do not limit myself to Math. If you _do_ limit yourself to this or that field, I'm sorry about you. I do Math, I'm interested in TB, I made me a webpage, I read Plato and Cicero -- have you anything against? Your problems, then. I see you into nearly every single message. Wide exaggeration. Are you co-author of thebat? No. Have you purchased a copy? No. I mean really man. Why? I really need to know. Why? Just paraphrase why your so interested in EVERY aspect of it, I'll shut up. Just because I'm interested -- and because I do know something which I might be able to share with others. If you don't need it -- go set up a killfilter against [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I would like to have multi-SMTP servers. And maybe I did BUY thebat? So now actually your vote has been canceled by my opposition to yours. Why would I wish to use Mercury after I paid 40 bucks for thebat? heh heh really. This question I can answer. Because each and every program must do exactly what it's designed to do, NOT to try to do everything. If you're a strong proponent of the latter approach, go buy a full set of Mega$ programs and stop whining about what I post here. _You_ want TB to become a SMTP server, as it follows from this your message. _I_ think there are lots of MUA-specific functions that TB doesn't support currently either at all or partially. _I_ would sure prefer TB to become an outstanding e-mail client then a strange mixture of MUA, SMTP server, and whatever else you're going to require next time. Sending mail is done by SMTP server. If you need to solve the problem with multiple unreliable SMTP servers you've got (as described by Wie and others) -- just setup your own: Mercury or Hamster as suggested recently on TBUDL. It will do the trick much better then this half-lame so-called "deceision" to call the miryad of SMTP servers sequentially, which won't really work in maybe 80% of cases, as I tried to explain in my previous messages. If you failed to understand the point I was making, it's your problem. Others managed to get it right, apparently. If the admin cares about the server logs, if they really cared about an "open server" exploit, they would patch it, install sendmail or something. who cares about a blacklist. The users that cannot communicate with their colleags, for example, since the other side is blocking the mail from open relays. _You_ apparently don't. That isn't the point either. It sounds like you don't want free speech, privacy etc. _I_ do, but your American systems like ORBS, RBL, etc. won't let me! Here in Russia there always used (and still use) to be a lot of open relays, it's the American part of the Net that forces them to be closed! I respect your right to disagree. Oh, I sure respect this, _thank_you_so_much_! With Best Regards, Alexander V. Kiselev, MD, St.Petersburg State University, Physics Faculty, Dept. of Higher Math. and Math. Physics. -- Tel. +007(812)2240142 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Tel. +007(812)4287579 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: X-Mailer
Hi there! On 3 Jan 00, at 17:45, Allie Martin wrote about "Re: X-Mailer": In short, what's your business anyway? Have you something more to argue against in his message? What's up Alex? Did you awaken on the wrong side of the bed this morning? :) Rather going to sleep right now:-) But well, you're right, I've been rude probably -- my apologies... -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: You're not drunk if you can lie on the floor without holding on. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: breathing again
Hi there! On 14 Dec 99, at 20:39, iszendro wrote about "Re[2]: breathing again": Hi, What do you, Hungarians, mean under "Orosz"???:-) What do you Russians mean under "vengerka"???!!! ;-))) Well, AFAIK, a female being a Hungarian:-)) -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: The real world is a special case. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: fused attachment
Hi there! On 13 Dec 99, at 11:47, Claudius Regn wrote about "Re[2]: fused attachment": AVK Acrobat that enabled this feature... Sorry for misguide:-) No problem. I do use Ghostscript and Yaps myself and we regularly exchange the files. There was no problem until this one mail. Just the attachment was coded as text/plain, as I already explained. This needs to be fixed on TB's side, IMHO. I'm basing this opinion on what I know about RFCs, of course:-) I guess I have to keep experimenting with attaching these (in Pegasus?)! No need. Just save your problematic attachment as a *.ps file and use GhostView... Inconvenient --- yes, but a working workaround... -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: I'm easy to please as long as I get my way. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: upgrade aches
Hi there! On 11 Dec 99, at 5:24, Ali Martin wrote about "Re: upgrade aches": I would prefer one at least a week before Christmas so we can play without disastrous consequences (g) and return to the old one. getting stuck at the end of the year in the Christmas/New year period isnt a good thing if mail program stops working! Doesn't the e-mail traffic fall off drastically around the Christmas region? Say the 17th to the new year? Not here:-)) Here we've got Cristmas on January,7:-) Russian Orthodox Church is still using the Julian calendar, that is:-) -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: If we weren't all crazy, we would go insane. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: (No Subject)
Hi there! On 9 Dec 99, at 14:50, Peter Hampf wrote about "(No Subject)": The Bat! does not automatically remove trailing blanks from lines in the templates. IMO it should do so ... Nope it shouldn't. Otherwise one wouldn't be able to use this signature delimiter, which should be dashdashspaceCR The spaces are all mine, I *do* know what I put there, and the program shouldn't _guess_ what I ment by doing this. Your opinion? Negative. In addition I want the Ctrl+Del key (delete the word right of the cursor) in The Bat's editor. Yup... Ctrl-Del and Ctrl-Backspace are pretty useful... But wait a bit, in ver. 2 we'll have the configurable keycombos:-) -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: There are two sides to every argument unless a man is personally involved, in which case there is only one. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Winmail.dat
Hi there! On 24 Nov 99, at 14:07, Syafril Hermansyah wrote about "Re: Winmail.dat": Then we should add this to "tips and tricks":-) Glad it finally worked for you. The whole thing is about the following: "how to make Netscape know that *this* non-HTML file is of special (enriched) type and contains fancy formatting?". It's done by setting MIME type of association to text/enriched. This way Netscape is forced to use its knowledge about text/enriched MIME type handling when in Messenger (FYI, it shows enriched messages in Messenger as if they were HTML, exploiting probably that portion of C code I've supplied recently). Yes, now I'm trying Alexander trick as follow : Create the association (via Windows explorer) with the following properties: Description: message enriched Type (MIME): text/enriched Standard extension: .enriched Action: open by netscape.exe (no commandline qualifiers!) Application to use to perform action : point to netscape.exe Confirm opening: unchecked Allow quickview: unchecked Always show extension: checked. It work ! SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) -- Thought for the day: A pipe gives a wise man time to think and a fool something to stick in his mouth. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Sudden hangs
Hi there! On 24 Nov 99, at 7:41, joshua allen r. day wrote about "Re: Sudden hangs": I cannot confirm this - however, since about version 1.32+ when I open TB!, explorer will sometimes perform an illegal operation and crash This is due to the registry mess and has almost nothing to do with TB. When TB starts, it reads the file associations from the registry. When the registry gets messed up, it results in the Explorer crash. Try the following procedure: Reboot to "commandline prompt". Type regedit Enter It will provide you with a bit of help. Using it, perform the following: 1. Export your registry to some file 2. Re-create the registry from this file. Re-boot to Windows. Should do the trick:-) If the problem persists, you'll need to re-install Windows to a formatted drive:-(( - TB! will remain running perfectly. I have not yet found any variables that should be the cause for this (programs running, etc.) - anyone else have/had this problem? Anyone have any ideas? See above. SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) -- Thought for the day: Work expands to exceed available time --- Parkinson's Law --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: AW: Drive not ready error
Hi there! On 19 Oct 99, at 8:21, Wieczorek Michael wrote about "AW: Drive not ready error": GF Anyone else get the error message saying Drive not ready with NT4 GF and TB! 1.36? It pops up at random with me - filtering messages, GF searching / browsing messages?. I've had it on two separate GF machines- and basically TB! is telling me my harddrive has gone GF away. Pressing Retry or Ignore - and everything continues! Do you use DOS RAR? I mean, frequently? I've noticed, that the drives sometomes become "not ready" in Explorer after I've RAR'ed something on it:-( SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) -- Thought for the day: There are two sides to every argument unless a man is personally involved, in which case there is only one. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
