Re: IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
Hi John Thomas - On Sun, 2 Oct 2005, at 09:35:28 [GMT -0700] (which was 9:35 AM where I live) you wrote: I am back to trying TB's IMAP now that Mulberry is toast. Incidentally, shouldn't the business folks at Ritlabs recognize that there are a bunch of potential new customers in the market, given Mulberry's demise, and a BIG FIRM commitment to fast errorless IMAP by Ritlabs would be a good strategy to get those folks money? Most of your post has been responded to. I think there are few things to keep in mind. 1. Mulberry isn't toast. At least, not yet. It is still a very robust IMAP client. Until such time that new functionality (e.g. security) renders it useless, it will continued to be utilized by many, including myself. 2. Unlike Mulberry that was built from the ground-up with IMAP in mind, TB added IMAP functionality to what basically was and has been a POP client. Consequently, the IMAP functionality of TB has always been less than robust (I am trying to be nice), IMO. Whether this continues, remains to be seen although I have been waiting for over 2 years for a reliable and speedy client from them. Right now, what you see is what you get. Your (and everyone else's) mileage may vary. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpo9DDsBN5Hr.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
Hi Dimitry Andric - On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, at 19:35:57 [GMT +0200] (which was 10:35 AM where I live) you wrote: On 2005-09-23 at 16:20:42 Clive Taylor wrote: Usually though, choosing Abort all tasks in Connection Centre kills these hanging/repeating tasks off, and then pressing Alt-F2 reconnects to the IMAP server(s) and goes further where it was stuck before. Btw, I know that IMAP is hard stuff, since the protocol quite honestly seems to suck. But why do ALL other IMAP clients (e.g. Thunderbird, Mulberry, and even Outlook!) have almost zero problems with at least the basic operations, such as retrieving mail, browsing folders, etc? Same problem here. Frozen IMAP connections. BTW, IMAP IS NOT hard stuff. The RFC is clear and concise and that is the reason clients such as Thunderbird and Mulberry (and even Outlook) are pretty flawless at implementation. I for one would like to see RIT either fix IMAP or pull it from the product and concentrate at what they seem to know best: the antiquated POP3. I think I'm outta here. Mulberry is just so much more robust when it comes to IMAP handling. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.61.07 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpcceViwI8ze.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.61.07 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP - Multiple Connections, and bad behaviour
Hi Jonathan Angliss - On Sun, 31 Jul 2005, at 22:42:05 [GMT -0500] (which was 8:42 PM where I live) you wrote: So what am I seeing. I'm seeing bad handling of multiple connections. It appears that, despite having dedicated 4 connections to TB, it seems to not queue the requests correctly. I've attached a screen shot of my connection center. That is how it has been for the last 10 minutes (another issue is I cannot delete the SetFlag request which I've no idea what it is doing, but that's another post). Notice the multiple items in the queue. It'd appear that TB hands out items to be queued to each connection, and then each connection processes its own queue. This can lead to issues like I have in my situation now where I have several items queued on one connection, and the other 3 connections sitting idle. I have the exact same problem here. I'm looking at the connection center as I write this and there are 6 hung processes (using IMAP BTW). I have TB configured to 10 connections and only 2 are being used. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpGQ6pqQTyjQ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP - Multiple Connections, and bad behaviour
Hi -=Curtis=- - On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, at 16:24:17 [GMT -0500] (which was 2:24 PM where I live) you wrote: On Wednesday, August 03, 2005 at 3:22:29 PM [GMT -0500], Kevin Amazon wrote: yeah. Only 2 are ever being used. The interesting thing is that once the queued tasks for a particular folder hangs, you're still able to go on your merry way working with the other folders. Exactly. I have now 3 tasks that are obviously hung (having been executing for over 3 hours). It is pretty obvious to me that IMAP is still not quite ready for prime time. sigh -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgp4pO7ILAlvD.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP don'ts to get things working better
Hi Allie Martin - On Sat, 2 Jul 2005, at 08:23:10 [GMT -0500] (which was 6:23 AM where I live) you wrote: After a long absence, I decided to play with the latest build of TB. To my surprise, it appears to be significantly more robust that any previous release with IMAP. My configuration consists of TB connected to our MDaemon mail server via 1GB Ethernet (no bandwidth issues). I can offer the following replies. - I avoid working with large mailboxes, i.e., no more than 4000 messages per mailbox. This may be even less if I end up having say 5 or more folders with a large amount of messages. Totally agree. TB seems to lose its mind with large mailboxes and freezes. - I currently don't subscribe to my junk mail or other mailboxes that I check infrequently. I check those via webmail. I do this because they interfere with smooth reading of unread mail while jumping from mailbox to mailbox automatically. I wish I could be subscribed to a mailbox but not have its counts updated unless I explicitly request it. Totally agree - I don't use a server side Outbox. It's just troublesome and often leads to multiple messages being sent and multiple messages being in the outbox when using the intermittent save option while composing. I do and have not had any problems with the latest TB build and have never had multiple messages being sent - I don't filter much with TB! I filter when MDaemon doesn't provide what I need. I have not had any filtering problems with the latest build. - I avoid opening large attachments in my lower bandwidth environment. I save them for when I get home. I may get multiple attachments in a single message, with a few being appropriate for viewing in a low bandwidth setting. However, TB! is all or none with attachment retrieval. Can't comment. I have a very fast connection so this is a non issue with me - I don't use any of the synchronise settings for any of my mailboxes. I disable synchronization for all mailboxes. Agreed - I no longer use the ticker. I may revisit this since I haven't tried it in a long time. I use it. It works fine - I don't manage my mailboxes using TB!. I do it server side, i.e., mailbox creations and deletions or making a folder a sub-folder or another. LOL. I certainly agree with this one. So with all these 'workarounds'/avoiding or steering clear of behaviours may be creating an impression of tranquility. However, it's artificial in that I really shouldn't have to be avoiding features. No you shouldn't but you have some challenges with bandwidth on occassion that might certainly manage your system so that it suits your purposes However, with all that, I still somewhat prefer what it's doing now to Mulberry. I'm getting hooked again on the templates and MicroEd so I may be getting swooned into tolerating some 'gyrations' to get things working Ok. :) I like the new version of Mulberry but I too am hooked on TB's templates and other features. The latest build may very well be a keeper for me. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.5.35 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/37 - Release Date: 7/1/2005 Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: Got worse with RC2/RC4
Hi Raymund Tump - On Fri, 6 May 2005, at 17:33:02 [GMT +0200] (which was 8:33 AM where I live) you wrote: And I found a new problem: I deleted the folder cache. That caused TB! to get a new list from the server that went rather fast (my TBBeta folder has 18268 entries in it right now), but then it starts to download the headers and that will take ages as far as I can see. For 5 headers TB needs more than 30 sec. each. And I had a problem which I thought was already fixed: I click on a mail and another mail content was shown. The mail shown was the mail I look at directly before. This happened in the extra folder view window, as the normal 3 pane layout refused to show the mail anyway. Pretty much the same problems here as has been mentioned in other threads. For all intents and purposes, IMAP doesn't work in this release (for me, anyway). -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgppuyXNNtfyD.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: I can't use rc2
Hi Gary - On Thu, 5 May 2005, at 09:08:08 [GMT -0500] (which was 7:08 AM where I live) you wrote: snip However, after reading or deleting several emails, as new mail would come in to the INBOX, the message list jumps around, changing positions dramatically, and I cannot read email. The message bodies will not load on many emails, and this happens often enough that it makes reading email absolutely impossible. If I cannot read email, I can't use it. Same problem here. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpfImBF0Z6dk.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP option
Hi 9Val - On Thu, 5 May 2005, at 11:18:17 [GMT +0300] (which was 1:18 AM where I live) you wrote: Hi All, If somebody encounters some problems with IMAP multi-connections like Allie reported, try to play with Fine-Tune option 'Simulate folder lock'. Notice: it needs program restart to be applied. Well, this made the problem worse for me. In looking at my server logs, it appears as though one or several connections are being dropped thereby not allowing message views to be loaded. If I execute a IMAP disconnect and then the connect command, all appears to be well and views for all folders work. I didn't notice this problem with .18 but when I have a 7 message folder that takes 50 seconds to load, if at all, something is wrong, I think. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgp0pU1VWf09b.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Anyone wants to try my yellowish icons?
Hi MAU - On Thu, 5 May 2005, at 22:40:22 [GMT +0200] (which was 1:40 PM where I live) you wrote: If you would like to try them, download from: http://www.rancho-k.com/yellowish_icons.zip Then, exit TB, unzip to your The Bat! folder and start TB again. To return to default icons, delete at least the batskin.xml file. Very nice work indeed. I agree with Peter's suggestion. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpSN2QnCUhTD.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC3 is now available
Hi Simon Fincham - On Thu, 5 May 2005, at 22:18:28 [GMT +0100] (which was 2:18 PM where I live) you wrote: Hi 9Val, On 05 May 2005 at 23:08:30GMT +0200, 9Val sent an E-Mail mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]The Bat! 3.5 Return RC3 is now available: 9Val The Bat! 3.5 Return RC3 is now available from: 9Val http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Sorry, cannot use this version - hangs and freezes when sending/recieving. No error message generated. Windows error details generated -: szAppName : theBat.exe szAppVer : 3.5.0.2 szModName : hungapp szModVer : 0.0.0.0 offset : Same here, can't use it. IMAP is also failing to build the message base. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpWR9SpQN7db.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC3 is now available
Hi Kevin Amazon - On Thu, 5 May 2005, at 15:40:17 [GMT -0700] (which was 3:40 PM where I live) you wrote: Hi Simon Fincham - On Thu, 5 May 2005, at 22:18:28 [GMT +0100] (which was 2:18 PM where I live) you wrote: Same here, can't use it. IMAP is also failing to build the message base. Actually RC2 pretty much sucks with IMAP too. I'll go back to .18 (which was the best release for IMAP, IMO) and wait until the dust settles. Release Candidates...Yea, right. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpINCYz4VqJD.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC2 is now available
Hi Neal Laugman - On Wed, 4 May 2005, at 10:56:56 [GMT -0800] (which was 11:56 AM where I live) you wrote: snip IMAP seems to be very well at this point. Not here. Still have the problem when changing views from one folder to another, I get a blank folder view that takes about 5 minutes to refresh. Unacceptable. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpjazCBwwdVL.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5 RC 1 -TB terminates connection
Hi Allie Martin - On Wed, 04 May 2005, at 18:17:43 [GMT -0500] (which was 4:17 PM where I live) you wrote: The RC1 works in a way, but it's lurchy. Messages and folders suddenly will not load on the first attempt. Autofiltering again works sporadically. So despite the fixing of a few of the limitations that existed in v3.0.9.18, I don't feel inclined to use it. I can confirm the same problems that Allie mentions w/RC2. A lot of folders just won't load or take an inordinate amount of time 5 minutes. I didn't have this problem w/3.0.9.18 either. Right now TB is unusable for me as well. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpVDrhn3dM0C.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5 RC 1 -TB terminates connection
Hi Allie Martin - On Wed, 4 May 2005, at 18:34:26 [GMT -0500] (which was 4:34 PM where I live) you wrote: Just curious. Is this occurring with all folders set not to synchronize? Nope, just two (out of 50 or so, set to not synchronize). Each folder has about 1200 messages. My problems with RC1 isn't as bad in terms of delays. 5 minutes is a very long time to wait. I don't know what's up with this. I didn't have this problem with 3.0.9.18 I'm now trying this RC/2 to see what it's like. So far, no problems, but it's very early yet. Finger's crossed. I like the fixes that I see and hope they do work and stay that way. Aside from the folder problem, RC2 looks pretty good so far. I really really would like to come back to TB but just can't yet because of these folder problems. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgp9JxBKFNnqF.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: Outbox not unboldened on filtering mail to another IMAP folder
Hi Allie Martin - On Wed, 4 May 2005, at 18:36:21 [GMT -0500] (which was 4:36 PM where I live) you wrote: [-] IMAP : the Outbox folder (local or remote) is not unbolded after the message is sent. If messages are automatically filtered from an outbox to an IMAP folder, I just confirmed this one as not being fixed. The problem remains here. Confirmed -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpZqfAh4hgrT.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: Outbox not unboldened on filtering mail to another IMAP folder
Hi Allie Martin - On Wed, 4 May 2005, at 18:42:52 [GMT -0500] (which was 4:42 PM where I live) you wrote: Actually, it turns out the message just wasn't sent, though I hit the send immediately option, the same one that worked for the message that followed and that *was* sent immediately. Maybe just a glitch in the 'Matrix' cough.. I meant, The Bat! ;) Duh, you are right. There is a bit of a delay but appears to work. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpXZnSwltwel.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5 RC 1 -TB terminates connection
Hi Allie Martin - On Wed, 4 May 2005, at 18:53:33 [GMT -0500] (which was 4:53 PM where I live) you wrote: Nope, just two (out of 50 or so, set to not synchronize). Each folder has about 1200 messages. Well then, unless you have a dialup and wish to read mail while disconnected, I strongly suggest not synchronising. Just disable synchronisation for all folders. Sorry, I didn't articulate very well. These folders are set to NOT synchronize. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpCAXlrFoprg.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: Outbox not unboldened on filtering mail to another IMAP folder
Hi Allie Martin - On Wed, 4 May 2005, at 18:55:20 [GMT -0500] (which was 4:55 PM where I live) you wrote: Hrmph!! Turns out that the message *was* sent. You'll see that my reply to one of your messages is duplicated, i.e., sent twice. For some reason, the message was sent but not filtered to the target folder. It just remained there in the Outbox. Of course, I had never experienced this one before so I assumed that since it wasn't filtered, it had not been sent. I understand. I've been away from TB for such a long time I find myself forgetting how things worked before. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgphNnJpsBbVb.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5 RC 1 -TB terminates connection
Hi Allie Martin - On Wed, 4 May 2005, at 19:38:37 [GMT -0500] (which was 5:38 PM where I live) you wrote: Hmmm. No comment then. :((( I really don't know what to say, but look towards RIT. What server software are you connecting to? Same as you, MDaemon. Still having the problem. A TB restart seems to fix the problem for a while, then the folders seem to hang for some reason. I'd bet the connection is being dropped. I'm looking at the server logs now. Out of curiosity, how many server connections to you have set. I have 6 and everything was pretty good with .18. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpE1DO8juClU.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP Improved or Not (was: Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available)
Hi Allie Martin - On Sat, 30 Apr 2005, at 10:47:44 [GMT -0500] (which was 8:47 AM where I live) you wrote: snip v3.0.9.18 was the best I tried in this series. Not bad at all but it had problems as I already posted. A couple have been addressed and seem to work. However, this RC1 has backslid quite significantly. I'm now revisited by the problem of auto-filtering working only sporadically. I no longer experience reasonably smooth IMAP operations, with their being frequent unexpected delays with messages being loaded and at times, requiring reloading for me to see a message body. The same happens for folders on initially opening them. Quite often, nothing happens, with my having to select another folder then returning to the one I originally wanted to browse before it finally loads as it should. snip I totally agree. I have the same problems you mention under the exact seem circumstances. Was better in past beta's. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpBRNcwga5n9.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: Empyt trash on exit - doesn't work
Hi Manuel Breitfeld - On Fri, 29 Apr 2005, at 09:09:31 [GMT +0200] (which was 12:09 AM where I live) you wrote: Hey All, is it a known bug, that empty trash folder on exit doesn't work for IMAP accounts? My trash folder is the servers trash folder. I delete all outgoing lists message by filter when they are sent. 1. Why aren't the deleted in the way I defined normal deletion, but are moved to trash? 2. Why is trash folder not emptied on exit? Filter goes: - Delete the message from server Delete the message Yes it is a known bug. This has never worked. 9Val spent some time on it a year or so ago and the bug just got lost with all the other problems with IMAP and TB. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.0.9.20 Return on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpFfxBx4TA88.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.9.20 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome
Hi Michael L. Wilson - On Sun, 7 Nov 2004, at 14:24:54 [GMT -0800] (which was 2:24 PM where I live) you wrote: Perhaps your OS is corrupted? Perhaps it isn't and there are still bugs. I get various AV's and our test bed is a virgin system so the OS is certainly not corrupted. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.0.2.5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A Question About IMAP Use
Hi Matt Thoene - On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, at 09:20:48 [GMT -0800] (which was 9:20 AM where I live) you wrote: On Thursday, November 4, 2004 @ 7:07:56 AM [-0700], Kevin Amazon wrote: Actually, I treat IMAP a little differently. I agree with the above anytime, anyplace, from any device...but when at my main workstation, I choose to download all headers and messages. I find it is quicker to search and sort through them locally then on the server. More of a personal preference I guess. OK. Well, to each their own. The problem with your approach is once the IMAP message store loses its integrity, it is essentially useless and you might as well use POP3. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgp4kIv09Zff5.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.4 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?
Hi Munango-Keewati - On Fri, 15 Oct 2004, at 19:13:13 [GMT -0500] (which was 5:13 PM where I live) you wrote: On Friday, October 15, 2004, 4:37:08 AM, 9Val wrote: Hmm, it is not a bug (it works as designed), but a feature request. If accidentally clicking on a column header nukes the view mode you spent an hour creating, it's hard to call that a feature. I totally agree. I can't think of another program that does not keep the existing view irrespective of changing the sort column. In my opinion, it is a design flaw that should be fixed. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpRF3FUXpTFi.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Auto Filtering - IMAP Errors/AV
To All: Using IMAP exclusively. Auto Filtering enabled. I get several of the following errors: An Error Occurred with reading the message base C:\directory\TheBat!\username\x.tbb. Do you want to repair the message base now? After many of these messages appear, I get the following: Access Violation 00404F40 in module 'thebat.exe' read of address FF9. I don't ever repair the message base through TB because of its usual behavior in purging IMAP messages. This scenario can be reproduced on 3 other machines. Apparently Auto Filter filtering doesn't work with IMAP -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 HELP pgpITEyw9zij2.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.01 RC2 is now available
Hi Allie Martin - On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, at 18:08:29 [GMT -0500] (which was 4:08 PM where I live) you wrote: Interestingly, Mulberry is the only client I've tried that shows a strike-through for deleted messages. :) Which other clients do this? Outlook, Pegasus, Mulberry, Eudora for a start 4. The inability to move colored messages from one IMAP folder to another (I know this isn't RFC compliant but other clients (Mulberry for instance) manage to pull this off. Mulberry pulls this off since those colour labels are protocol specific and are stored on the server similar to other attributes like read, replied, forwarded, priority etc. TB!'s colour group support isn't protocol specific. It should be interesting to see how and if 9Val pulls off a method of storing this sort of info server side. Totally agreed -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.0.1 RC3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgp3sme4NcQDG.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.1 RC/3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: HTML error warning graphics [was Re:The Bat! 3.0.0.15 ...]
Hi Marcus Williams - On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, at 16:29:50 [GMT +0100] (which was 8:29 AM where I live) you wrote: I meant _the bat_ should be changed from its current behaviour to a different behaviour - where the different behaviour is falling back to the text display automatically and display a (smaller) message somewhere saying it has done so. This is obviously a bug in the code and should be fixed. Changing the behavior of the TB when it occurs or changing the message is ridiculous, IMO. It should be fixed and fixed right. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.0.0.15 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.00.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: NFS - how do I create a filter for old messages?
Hi Maurice Snellen - On Mon, 13 Sep 2004, at 17:39:05 [GMT +0200] (which was 8:39 AM where I live) you wrote: You can't do that with a filter. As you 'pondered' yourself: what would trigger the filter to run? It depends on how one looks at it. There are several mail clients that trigger a rule when the folder is opened, closed or a new message arrives (by a move operation). IMO, that is how rules should be triggered. TB appears to not work that way (at least it doesn't for me). You can use the main folder's deleting settings to do what you are trying to create a filter for. Go to the folder's properties and have it delete the messages after 30 days. Then go to the 'Deletion' tab. Check the option 'Use folder-specific deletion settings'. This does not work for IMAP folders. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.0.0.11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpKRjrBOJoYN.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.00.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: HTML Error (Was Re: The Bat! 3.0.0.14 Post Release is now available)
Hi Duncan Strand - On Mon, 13 Sep 2004, at 18:47:30 [GMT +0100] (which was 10:47 AM where I live) you wrote: Didn't see this in the previous beta: Invalid HTML ! Please forward this message to developers. Thanks. EAccessViolation Access violation at address 00403EEF in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address 028B1000 Same here, the HTML errors are back (running IMAP). -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.0.0.14 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpunL3khrn1u.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.00.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.0.11 - NFS: References header field not working
Hi MAU - On Sun, 12 Sep 2004, at 12:15:26 [GMT +0200] (which was 3:15 AM where I live) you wrote: Hello MAU, Can anyone confirm a similar behaviour? I cannot even confirm it myself. It works sometimes and it doesn't some other times. I'm finding that a number of filters do not work all the time. Sometimes they work and sometimes they don't. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.0.0.11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpQ7cGeLuohs.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.00.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Adress book
Hi Dierk Haasis - On Sat, 11 Sep 2004, at 16:47:39 [GMT +0200] (which was 7:47 AM where I live) you wrote: I just did what you described, only the Address Picker was clickable since no address was filled into the To line, and the opening window can be changed in size quite like all non-modal windows under Windows. Yes, heaven forbid that the developers conform to the Win32 API or the Windows Software Developers Guide not to mention several RFC's. But, hey, it's a great product. ;-) -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.0.0.11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpTm0MCOCcdt.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.00.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
NFS Message Attributes
Hi All When creating a rule with NFS using Message Attributes, the choices are Read, Flagged, w/Attachments, Replied, Parked and Forwarded. How about a Deleted choice for us IMAP users? -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.0.0.11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 HELP pgpkqZm99YOq5.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.00.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.0 beta 1
Hi Allie Martin - On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, at 15:42:41 [GMT -0500 (CDT)] (which was 1:42 PM where I live) you wrote: I'd be really upset for users if the next official release were a v3, with the last v2 released being left so buggy in fundamental ways for IMAP. The two main bugs I'm referring to are the Invalid HTML errors and the disruption of the IMAP message list when new messages are added while browsing. At least leave a version 2 that will not drive the IMAP user crazy while trying to simply read their mail. It's sort of upsetting that we now upgrade to get bug fixes, rather than new features. - Importing messages to an IMAP folder is still only added to the local cache with messages not being uploaded to the server. - moving large amounts of messages from IMAP to local or other accounts IMAP folder is still problematic with hangs occuring in the middle of the process. - filtering is still lack lustre. It works in some sort of a way but it's really flaky in operations. - the server side outbox remains a problem to work with. - lack of new message notifications/alerts These are all pretty basic problems for an IMAP user. I've grown very tolerant of them, but was hoping for fixes before having to pay more. sigh I couldn't agree more and these are only some of the problems with IMAP. I've been sticking with TB patiently waiting for the IMAP bugs, inconsistencies (with regards to RFC compliance) and interface issues to be resolved. They haven't been and now we automagically are at 3.0. Did I miss a fixed version 2.x? -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.13 Lucky Beta/1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpqipgUoMwNE.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.00 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: HTML error
Hi Kevin Coates - On Sat, 7 Aug 2004, at 12:02:29 [GMT -0400] (which was 9:02 AM where I live) you wrote: It seems over here I will view messages for awhile with no problems. Then once I begin to get HTML errors they increase in frequency until it happens on the majority of messages. Today, when the problem first appeared, the message I was reading was text and not HTML at all! This error has been around for a long time (at least since early in the 2.12 beta cycle) for whatever it is worth. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v2.12.04 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpSDIVNR61aW.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.13 'Lucky' Beta/3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: HTML error
Hi MaXxX - On Sat, 7 Aug 2004, at 19:14:32 [GMT +0200] (which was 10:14 AM where I live) you wrote: On Saturday, August 7, 2004, at 6:52:28 PM, time seemed to stop as Kevin Amazon uttered these words: This error has been around for a long time (at least since early in the 2.12 beta cycle) for whatever it is worth. An error introduced during a beta cycle and happily included in the release... *sigh*. I'm afraid so. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v2.12.04 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpVn5LGvQ9L4.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.13 'Lucky' Beta/3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Beta cycle suggestion
Hi Allie Martin - On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, at 10:39:01 [GMT -0500] (which was 8:39 AM where I live) you wrote: I've changed to viewing HTML messages as plain text by default. I'll see how things go with that setting. It shouldn't be long to give feedback on this since the INVALID HTML AV's are quite frequent here. I initially thought the problem had disappeared and was about to report this, but I just now selected a TBOT message to read only to see the Invalid HTML AV screen. Back to PTV with no smileys?? :) Shucks. I think I'd prefer forfeiting the smileys to putting up with these AV's. I wanted to follow-up with you. After looking at the problem you were having, I switched to RTV to see if I could get the same indication. It worked fine for a couple of days and then WHAM, I got a whole bunch of messages with your (our) error screen. I only got these from message received from the TB forums (not that this means anything). After a restart of TB, the Invalid HTML messages went away. I looked at the source messages on the server and they display perfectly in Outlook so it appears to me that this is a bug with TB. Back to PTV for me as well. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v2.12.04 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpPprfgUdr2K.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.12.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: HTML AV (was: Beta cycle suggestion)
Hi Thomas Fernandez - On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, at 22:30:14 [GMT +0700] (which was 8:30 AM where I live) you wrote: I am not experiencing this under Win98 or XP Pro. Are you guys using IMAP or POP accounts? Sorry, both Allie and I are using IMAP. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v2.12.04 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpuLYixQtWDQ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.12.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Change in Subject Line (was Invalid HTML)
Hi Thomas Fernandez - On Tue, 27 Jul 2004, at 22:52:08 [GMT +0700] (which was 8:52 AM where I live) you wrote: I meant it tongue-in-cheek,... I know. It may well be that Nettiquete is understood differently across newsgroups (especially across countries, and most of the NGs I subscribe to are in German), but then, this isn't a newsgroup. Perhaps I'm an MBA graduate! :graduate: :-) ROFL I don't follow. If the subject is changed, it won't show up in your search any more, would it? Yes, and that is my point. An example: Here is a subject a few posts up: Invalid HTML (was: Beta cycle suggestion). Ok, I want to do a search on Beta cycle. What I get are all the posts with beta cycle in the post (including the subject). So, I also get this specific post that has nothing whatsoever to do with beta cycle. Multiply that by however many occurrences there in the archives. We have experimented with deleting the references for new subjects on the OT list. The result was that the history of the thread was lost, and it was useless for those who wanted to go up the thread and see what the line of argument was. I understand. It's not how I see it. Threads should not be hijacked, of course, but some threads develop different arms, and it is a poster's responsable decision to change the subject or open a new thread. it is a poster's responsable decision to change the subject or open a new thread is the potential problem, IMO None of this is really worth the bandwidth. I was only pointing out an annoyance in searching the archives when the subject lines of threads change so often. I will certainly live with it and I appreciate all the comments. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v2.12.04 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpUe5oAlY91W.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.12.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: Date-part of Date Created column ignored?
Hi Charles M. Gerungan - On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, at 01:28:03 [GMT +0200] (which was 4:28 PM where I live) you wrote: slaps head That /must/ be it. ;-) -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12.04 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp2h9ZyOL43S.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.12.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: some options not working
Hi 9Val - On Sun, 25 Jul 2004, at 21:22:39 [GMT +0300] (which was 11:22 AM where I live) you wrote: Ideas about revision? I think. I believe it was working at 2.12.02 but it may have been at 2.12.00. Not sure. Sorry. But after manual disconnection? No, the messages are still there. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v2.12.04 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpQqg0F44WLE.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.12.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP Deleted Messages
Hi 9Val - On Sun, 25 Jul 2004, at 21:18:13 [GMT +0300] (which was 11:18 AM where I live) you wrote: KA starting to cause us some problems. Unless I am doing something KA terribly wrong, trying to identify IMAP messages that are marked for KA deletion (not yet expunged) is cumbersome at best. In fact, it is much Do you still have problems with messages not deleted? So when it happens? Are you online or offline? Before/After synchronization? I haven't such problems since 2.12 final No not really. I posted this primarily because life would be so much easier if IMAP items marked for deletion could be viewed with a strike-through font as is convention with the other mail clients that support IMAP. I have had other challenges with items marked for deletion on TB no longer physically reside in the message store. What I am saying here is when I go to Folder/Browse Deleted Messages/View/Message List, there are messages there. Often, many of the messages in this view are nowhere to be found on the IMAP server. I am online all of the time. Server is on the LAN. Don't know about before/after synchronization. I will play closer attention. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v2.12.04 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpcX5cJj29wq.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.12.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Exporting/Importing IMAP messages problem
Hi Everyone: I need verification that our problem is indeed a problem with TB. We have an IMAP mailserver on our internal LAN. We had a user that attempted to use the TB Tools/Export Messages and Tools/Import Messages with rather interesting results. WARNING: If you are going to try this, use messages you do not care if you lose (perhaps forever). Our user went to an IMAP folder and selected several messages. He then exported these messages using the Tools/Export Messages function to a local directory. He then deleted the messages from the IMAP folder (marked for deletion and then expunged). He then changed his mind and decided to import the same messages that were exported earlier. He highlighted the folder and then executed the Tools/Import Messages folder, highlighted the messages he wanted imported from the local directory and did the import. The new imported messages showed up in the IMAP directory for about 5 seconds and then disappeared. When I looked at Browse deleted messages in the appropriate folder, I found all the messages that were imported. I tried to undelete and nothing happened. They remained marked for deletion. Interestingly enough, even after a sync, these messages were not physically present on the IMAP server which among other things means the data contained in the Browse deleted messages view is somewhat suspect as it appears as though it does not coincide with the IMAP message store on the server. One of two things happened. More times than not but not all the time, the message transport fails. That is to say the connection with the server apparently hangs and not all messages in all folders can be viewed without a complete restart of TB. I'm pretty sure that we have not tried this operation hasn't been tried before 2.12.04 so I don't know if it is a problem with this release or not. We have successfully replicated this problem on three systems with the same results. Again, if you are going to try this, use a message or messages that you don't care of ever seeing again. Thanks, -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12.04 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpdfIIrGoQCM.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.12.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Tag line liberty and safety, appended Re: Who cares is rogues are real faces/people? [was Who Cares ...]
Hi Mary Bull - On Sun, 25 Jul 2004, at 21:02:21 [GMT -0500] (which was 7:02 PM where I live) you wrote: On Sunday, July 25, 2004, 8:01:38 PM (Sun, 25 Jul 2004 20:01:38) you wrote: DH He that would exchange liberty for temporary safety deserves neither DH liberty nor safety. (Benjamin Franklin) GS Very astute words of wisdom. Are you sure Benjamin Franklin wrote GS these words? Here's one source that says he did and that, slightly altered from the address in which he proclaimed them, they are inscribed on a plaque at the base of the Statue of Liberty and attributed to Benjamin Franklin. Source says he said them in an address to the Pennsylvania Assembly, replying to the Governor, November 11, 1755. This is really OT for this thread. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12.04 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpI9VaCY2vfb.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.12.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Beta cycle suggestion
Hi MaXxX - On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, at 23:12:58 [GMT +0200] (which was 2:12 PM where I live) you wrote: snip Now hey, I found a bug. :D My templates set my encoding to ISO-8859-2. The Options-Encoding menu, however, has a selection mark next to None. Looks like the menu isn't updated when it should. I have had the same problem for ages. I think there is a bug report somewhere on this. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpnYwYwIcckZ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.12.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP - Sync Speed
Hi 9Val - On Mon, 19 Jul 2004, at 21:57:37 [GMT +0300] (which was 11:57 AM where I live) you wrote: Hello Kevin, KA Perhaps 9Val can interject some comments. Currently TB! establishes only one connection. Multiple connections are planned, may be they'll be introduced in next beta cycle. Out of curiosity, are you talking about multiple connections to the server or multi-threading of the application? -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp8pVM15scne.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: Delete key still doesn't always work in RC/4
Hi Charles M. Gerungan - On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, at 03:45:39 [GMT +0200] (which was 6:45 PM where I live) you wrote: Subject says it all. Yes, that appears to be the case. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 RC/4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpOnrVpyxJ0X.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is v2.12 RC/4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Some questions
Hi Allie Martin - On Sun, 11 Jul 2004, at 16:27:02 [GMT -0500] (which was 2:27 PM where I live) you wrote: Removing messages marked for deletion in an IMAP folder is expunging or in TB! *compressing*. Even for a POP account, deleting a message in TB! just marks it for deletion and removes it from the message list. A compression has to be done there as well to actually remove the messages from the message base. Purging is different and involves more than just compression. Purging can be made to remove messages older than a defined age or to remove old messages until the total message count is at a defined value. I see that there are no purge options for IMAP and wonder if compression and purging do the same for an IMAP folder in TB!. Upon reviewing the folder options anyway, I see that there's no purge only option and instead purge+compress. I know we are talking about the same thing here and semantics are getting in the way. Speaking to IMAP only, convention defines the act of deletion as flagging a message for deletion on the server. The message still physically exists on the server but it has a flag attribute. Purging is the act of physically deleting the flagged message from the server (one can define server-side rules for this action. TB uses the term compress to refer to this physical deletion on the server which is actually an incorrect term to use. The term Compress typically refers to the recovery of disk space that is fragmented. IMO, the command TB should be using is delete+purge rather than purge+compress. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 RC/3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpHqEajg1pYx.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is v2.12 RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: Browsing messages still being disrupted (Was: Re: The Bat! 2.12 RC/3 is now available)
Hi Kevin Amazon - On Sat, 10 Jul 2004, at 12:56:01 [GMT -0700] (which was 12:56 PM where I live) you wrote: Hi 9Val - On Sat, 10 Jul 2004, at 22:35:05 [GMT +0300] (which was 12:35 PM where I live) you wrote: Hello Kevin, I saw it. So does it happens on every folder? How often it happens? Does it happen only after new message appearing? BTW, you can delete test account, thanks. Here are my observations: 1. I have Account/Properties/Options/Mark Message as read when it is being read for 2 seconds (I mention this because it may make a difference) set. 2. Yes, it happens on every folder (all IMAP) every time there is a new message and I have focus in that folder. I bring up point #1 because if I change the Mark Message as read when it is being read [for 2 seconds] to Mark Message as read only when it is open in a separate window I get a totally different indication. That being when a new message is received, the message list pane and the message pane (below) refresh very slowly, the panes go blank for a split second and then refresh and return where I was before. Either way, it is annoying and inconvenient. I did not have this problem with Beta/1 BTW. With that release, the message list pane refreshed but the message pane remained static. I hope this makes sense. It is a little difficult to articulate. BTW, thanks for testing and getting the trash delete to work. If you need access again, just let me know. It just now happened again with Mark Message as read only when it is open in a separate window so this apparently isn't the cause. A new message comes in (to an IMAP folder), the highlight in the message list window goes to the top of the list and the message pane shows No Message Loaded. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 RC/1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpeMxIniAj5j.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is v2.12 RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: Browsing messages still being disrupted (Was: Re: The Bat! 2.12 RC/3 is now available)
Hi Allie Martin - On Sat, 10 Jul 2004, at 15:08:59 [GMT -0500] (which was 1:08 PM where I live) you wrote: I saw it. So does it happens on every folder? Yes. It would seem so though I didn't test for long. I agree How often it happens? Often enough that I wonder if each message I'm reading will suddenly disappear. It seems to happen with sync operations that add new headers. Agreed Does it happen only after new message appearing? It would seem so, yes. Agreed My experience is a little different from the bug report in that I never see the message I was reading again. I have to search for it manually. Agreed. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 RC/1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp6D99l5lyjw.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is v2.12 RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: Browsing messages still being disrupted (Was: Re: The Bat! 2.12 RC/3 is now available)
Hi Charles M. Gerungan - On Sun, 11 Jul 2004, at 01:42:38 [GMT +0200] (which was 4:42 PM where I live) you wrote: I spoke too soon :(. It's back again after it had been fixed in I believe 2.12.08a or something, a special build. That's too bad. Sorry. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 RC/3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpYeV9pKQuGI.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is v2.12 RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re : Sending Html mail with S/Mime MsCryptoApi is not possible
Hi Cedric Fontaine - On Sun, 4 Jul 2004, at 08:11:17 [GMT -0400] (which was 5:11 AM where I live) you wrote: Bonjour ! Le samedi 3 juillet 2004 à 22:43:16, vous écriviez : KA Hi Cedric Fontaine KA It looks like plenty of people have confirmed this bug on bugtracker. KA I can certainly confirm this does not work with beta/1 or beta/7 Yes please add your confirmation ! Done! -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpFF1orSgnfd.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is v2.12 Beta/7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re:The Bat! 2.12 Beta/7 - Delete Key Doesn't Work
Hi Charles M. Gerungan - On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, at 21:11:10 [GMT +0200] (which was 12:11 PM where I live) you wrote: Hello Kevin, On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 12:07:55 -0700 UTC, Kevin Amazon wrote: KA The delete key (nor the right click/delete) does not work on the IMAP KA Inbox. Oh well, back to Beta/1. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. When it doesn't work, a sync fixes it. I have funny message list refreshes, though. Haven't pinned it down yet, but when I do, I'll post. I'll try doing a sync. BTW, I have the same funny message list refresh indication as well. It seems like the whole screen is refreshing when the message list refreshes. Hmmm. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpAmHDYSYfsW.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.12 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re:The Bat! 2.12 Beta/7 - Delete Key Doesn't Work
Hi Charles M. Gerungan - On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, at 21:11:10 [GMT +0200] (which was 12:11 PM where I live) you wrote: Hello Kevin, On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 12:07:55 -0700 UTC, Kevin Amazon wrote: KA The delete key (nor the right click/delete) does not work on the IMAP KA Inbox. Oh well, back to Beta/1. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. When it doesn't work, a sync fixes it. I have funny message list refreshes, though. Haven't pinned it down yet, but when I do, I'll post. Yea, a synch fixes the delete function most of the time. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpU6uoYcVF8m.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.12 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re:Strange display glitch, beta 6
Hi Dave Gorman - On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, at 12:59:39 [GMT -0500] (which was 10:59 AM where I live) you wrote: I'm still 75 messages from being caught up with TBBETA messages, so apologies if this has been discussed already. With beta 6, IMAP fetches seem to be slower. I'll revert back to beta 1 later and will see if I can confirm (the missing checkboxes in the mail dispatcher are a dealbreaker for me in B6, I use that several times a day). But in addition to the fetch being slower, the display takes a while to catch up. Here is the sequence: Confirm with regards to apparent slower refresh and display blinking. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpZlKArF4Us6.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.12 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
IMAP: Drafts in Outbox?
To All: After playing around with TB for several weeks, I would like to offer the following observation. In all the server-side IMAP mail systems I have worked on, when an IMAP user account is created, certain IMAP folders are created automatically. These are the obvious sent and trash folders but also a draft folder. I have not reviewed the RFC specification for IMAP in a long time so I don't know if this is part of the standard or merely convention. However, it seem counter-intuitive that draft messages should be saved in the outbox (rather than the IMAP draft folder) without at least providing an option for a redirect (much like what can be done in Account Properties/Mail Management/Pre-defined folders). In my opinion, this is just one thing that makes it very difficult to roll-out a product like TB in a corporate setting. All of our users are used to saving drafts in IMAP draft folders and are not expecting to see drafts in the outbox. Again, by convention, when our users see messages in the outbox, they think something is wrong (failure to connect to server, software problem, etc.). Is there any way to have drafts go to the IMAP draft folder by default? -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 2.12 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: Drafts in Outbox?
Hi Peter Fjelsten - Saturday, June 26, 2004, 8:45:52 AM, you wrote: Kevin, On 26-06-2004 17:13, you [KA] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: snip I have already put this in the bugtracker long time ago. Please go here: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0002080 Thanks, Peter. I wasn't sure if this was a bug or just the way TB was implemented. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 2.12 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
IMAP Problems
Hello Everyone: First the good news. The Bat v2.12 Beta/1 is far superior to v2.11.02 with regards to handling IMAP. However, we still exhibit problems with: 1. Blank message content screens. No matter what we do (refresh folders, re-synchronize, re-boot, etc.) some message screens are blank. We have found that if we move a message from one IMAP folder to another and then move it back, the content appears. (not a problem from Outlook) 2. We still get the dreaded no message loaded indication with messages in IMAP folders. This only seems to go away when the client is restarted (unacceptable). (not a problem from outlook) 3. The Bat does not empty and IMAP trash folder on exit. We have the IMAP trash folder defined in Account/Properties/Mail Management, In Account/Properties/Options the check box Empty Trash Folder on Exit is checked. A bit more work needs to be done on the IMAP component, IMO. It certainly is not yet sufficiently reliable for production use. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 MDaemon v7.0.1 Current beta is 2.12 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP Problems
Hi 9Val - Tuesday, June 22, 2004, 10:40:35 AM, you wrote: Hello, Kevin. KA 1. Blank message content screens. No matter what we do (refresh KA folders, re-synchronize, re-boot, etc.) some message screens are blank. We have KA found that if we move a message from one IMAP folder to another and KA then move it back, the content appears. (not a problem from Outlook) Hmm... Perhaps something wrong occured while retrieving message. Could you check if clearing folder cache helps? KA 2. We still get the dreaded no message loaded indication with KA messages in IMAP folders. This only seems to go away when the client is KA restarted (unacceptable). (not a problem from outlook) Have you looked to IMAP requests queue? Saying where TB! frezes could help us. KA 3. The Bat does not empty and IMAP trash folder on exit. We have the KA IMAP trash folder defined in Account/Properties/Mail Management, In KA Account/Properties/Options the check box Empty Trash Folder on Exit KA is checked. OK Thanks for the prompt reply. No, I haven't executed your suggestions but I will do so on the next occurrence (it doesn't happen all the time) and report back. Thanks again. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 2.12 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
