Re: The Bat! 4.2.10.15 (ALPHA)
Dear Mackley, @15-Oct-2009, 06:45 +0200 (15-Oct 05:45 here) Mackley [M] in mid:b9d21c950910142145i6a16c668pf30edd4d6b09d...@mail.gmail.com said: M I'm sorry, I've read all messages about .15 ALPHA3 M I'll not install it for revert for sure to .14 ;-) This is now fixed. 15 (ALPHA3) is safe. -- Cheers -- iviarck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.2.10.15 (ALPHA3) on Windows Vista 6.0.6002 Service Pack 2 ' pgpAAHav9qcdw.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.2.10.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2.10.15 (ALPHA)
Dear Zygmunt, @14-Oct-2009, 23:12 +0200 (14-Oct 22:12 here) Zygmunt Wereszczynski [ZW] in mid:1734808308.20091014231...@data.pl said: The Bat! 4.2.10.15 (ALPHA) is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb421015.rar ZW Unfortunately, this version cannot start (and it does not display any ZW errors), I must revert to 4.2.10.14. Confirm this variant - no start - no crash - terminated with task manager and back to .14 -- Cheers -- iviarck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.2.10.14 on Windows Vista 6.0.6002 Service Pack 2 ' pgpFbF4eaeN95.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.2.10.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Re: MESSAGE LOSS
Dear Carsten, @18-Sep-2009, 08:17 +0200 (18-Sep 07:17 here) Carsten Guthardt-Schulz [CGS] in mid:501795684.20090918081...@gmail.com said to Dwight: If youi mean that you cannot move messages from a local folder to an IMAP folder, I don't know why one would do that. To switch to IMAP from local use. I wanted to do that a few years back so my mailbase would be accessible via webmail and TB alike. It failed back then too. I have a legacy IMAP account on my server with bits and pieces of mail. Much mail was lost in the debacle and I gave up the attempt. CGS That's exactly what I mean. You right-click on the message (in CGS the message list) of the local folder, select copy to folder CGS and then select the IMAP folder. After a while the message should CGS appear there. Try first with a small message, you will see that CGS it works. Then try with a message 2MB. I can confirm this as behaviour from long ago - just after the last IMAP re-work. I think we are in IMAP limbo right now while we wait for the next rewrite which we were told (not long ago) is in the planning stages. Meanwhile, I will add confirmation to the BT entry you just created. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.2.10.12 on Windows Vista 6.0.6002 Service Pack 2 ' pgpzEcstXPrGA.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.2.10.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB main window not selected in Taskbar
Dear Carsten, @3-Sep-2009, 11:29 +0200 (03-Sep 10:29 here) Carsten Guthardt-Schulz [CGS] in mid:310190008.20090903112...@gmail.com said: ... snip CGS Same happens when switching from any other application to TB CGS main window: The other applications task bar entry stays selected. CGS So the bug is that TB main window entry in the task bar does not CGS appear as selected when switching to TB main window. CGS Can anyone confirm? Oh, in so many more ways than that. The fault lies with Delphi IMHO. I have (and write) many apps and those written using Delphi have a devil of a time managing window Z-ordering (the Windows internal name for the order in which windows overlay each other on screen and which is topmost). I think BC++ has the same problem. TB is certainly one program afflicted by this issue. It has been the same from version 0.97 and I'm not expecting it to change - unless Borland (or whatever the company is calling itself these days) fix it in the core libraries. I expect it can be overcome by the TB dev team, but the amount of work to do so is quite horrible. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.2.10.8 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpFkw8wiFYSY.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.2.10.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB main window not selected in Taskbar
Dear Carsten, @3-Sep-2009, 15:42 +0200 (03-Sep 14:42 here) Carsten Guthardt-Schulz [CGS] in mid:224804352.20090903154...@gmail.com said to Marck: I expect it can be overcome by the TB dev team, but the amount of work to do so is quite horrible. CGS Well, afair the problem did not exist in TB 4.0, maybe even CGS 4.1, so it must be possible :-) Well, I happen to know that this problem has been in TB since before release 1. I was using it from 0.97 on and there have frequently been z-order issues. Maybe not this specific one, but they have always been abundant. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.2.10.8 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpDibvHqGLqM.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.2.10.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Re: automatically increase the beta number
Dear Maxim, @21-Aug-2009, 18:01 +0300 (21-Aug 16:01 here) Maxim Masiutin [MM] in mid:27696125631694822...@ritlabs.com said to TBBETA: Current beta is 4.2.10.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html MM I would like to increase the beta number when I post beta MM announcements, to modify my script that prepares the announcement MM message, to also increase the number. This is to save the MM moderators from ridiculous job of updating the number. The number of times I have sat and tried to think of a way to automate that task! The problem is that the footer is a piece of config text in the MailMan data set on a server in Germany that host the lists. Johanes Posel has some measure of control but, as it stands, I have to manually go to the admin page for the list and update the digest and non-digest footers by hand whenever I see the new release announcement. Because I was offline for a week (living in a field and getting married), I missed a few. Did I miss a 4.2.0 MSI mainstream release too? If you have any suggestions as to how to automate the version number update, perhaps you, me and Johannes can discuss it off-list? -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.2.10.4 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgp9CGIbZybj8.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.2.10.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Re: 4.2.7.2
Dear Alto, @16-Jul-2009, 09:54 +0200 (16-Jul 08:54 here) Alto Speckhardt [AS] in mid:1897183754.20090716095...@treadstone79.de said to Marek: Grisoft is our customer, they are using The Bat!, so I have asked them about Themida detection and developer told me, it will be fixed in todays virus definitions. AS Great. A security product is not reporting a potential threat because AS of lobbying. Incorrect. Antivirus software from all vendors has a long history of false positives. Reporting them back to Grisoft enables the writers to correct their bugs. This is not 'lobbying'. AS Just what we need, it definitly makes you feel safe about AS using that product. I stopped using AVG because of the growing instances of false positives, bloat, loss of speed and crashes. I now use Avast. It reports no problem with the last TB version at all. AS What exactly have they promised to do? Remove Themida detection or AS including a TheBat known-good signature? Improve their Themida detection so that it doesn't make mistakes. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.2.7.2 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpIq5uAll5zH.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.2.7.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.7.2
Dear Alto, @16-Jul-2009, 13:15 +0200 (16-Jul 12:15 here) Alto Speckhardt [AS] in mid:851663711.20090716131...@treadstone79.de said to Marck: ... snip Improve their Themida detection so that it doesn't make mistakes. AS You were there when Marek discussed the issue with Grisoft? No, but as a software publisher, I have often been in contact with various AV publishers about false positives. They are human. They are programmers. They make mistakes in some updates to the rules they issue and these have to be pointed out to them. This isn't about compromising the integrity of the AV database. Far from it. It is about making the rules work properly. A false positive is just as wrong as a completely missed virus. Both require that corrections be made by the AV publisher. Are you also claiming that nobody can report a new virus because adding its detection rules to the database violates the integrity of the AV software publisher? Two sides of the same coin. A classic case was when Norton issued a bug ridden database update at the end of business at the start of a long weekend. We were plagued with false positives for days. As were many other publishers, since it was falsely identifying the footprint of any InstallMaker (a lesser known but standard setup creator) wrapped installer as infected. It wasn't corrected until the following Wednesday. But it was corrected. ... snip -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.2.7.2 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpVeTkRDVd1C.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.2.7.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Re: Again IMAP Support
Dear Volker, @9-Jun-2009, 00:48 +0200 (08-Jun 23:48 here) Volker Ahrendt [VA] in mid:1758381592.20090609004...@ahrendt.net said to Marek: ... snip pardon accepted, but we in TBBETA are not only customers. Oh, come on, Marek! If we are primarily *not* customers, what do you think we are? read carefully what I wrote. You are customer, but not only. VA And a beta tester. So I have no right to get information in time? You VA cannot be serious! It is just ridiculous! Okay - let me interject in this thread to try to dismantle the tower of babel that seems to be looming above us. I think Marek means We are not *the* only customers (that RITlabs has). This is a truth. Here on TBBETA we represent a tiny minority of the RITlabs customer base and I would suggest that we are hardly a typical set of users. Nobody is saying that you don't make a valid point, only that you haven't considered all the factors at play. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.2.4 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpRcfaKWwMr4.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Re: Cannot write to canvas
Dear Doug, @14-May-2009, 19:36 + (14-May 20:36 here) Doug Higby [DH] in mid:117366756.20090514193...@higbyfamily.com said to David: ... snip DH Same error, but it keeps churning out the error messages non-stop and I have DH to kill the bat. I'm hoping that 4.1.11.28 will fix this, but this isn't DH mentioned in the list of fixes. No - it's mentioned in the 4.1.11.25 release notes. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.1.11.28 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 pgp8l8Glaw7uz.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.1.11.288 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.27
Dear Max, @13-May-2009, 06:52 +0300 (13-May 04:52 here) Maxim Masiutin [M] in mid:571055312.20090513065...@ritlabs.com said: M [-] Fixed the cannot write bmp error of the .26 (beta issue) Confirmed fixed. Still broken is the use of nested %qinclude'd signature QTs. None of my templates work anymore. I can't even find a suitable workaround. I have added the following report to the BugTraq system. Please see https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7597 and follow the reproduction steps (included below) to add your confirmations. %qinclude(%ABTOPhone(xxx)) This syntax no longer works in a QINCLUDEd template macro when xxx contains %ISSIGNATURE. The entire macro renderer stops when it hits this line and nothing from the QT that contains it is output. The last time this syntax worked correctly was in build 20. This syntax still works perfectly if the QT is manually invoked rather than used in templates for mail creation. It also works perfectly if there is no %ISSIGNATURE in the QT. ,--/ How to reproduce this for yourself \-- Create a QT 'xxx' containing: XXX worked correctly Create a QT newmsg containing: %qinclude(%ABTOPhone(xxx)). Modify the New Message template to be: %qinclude(newmsg) Press Ctrl+N for a new message. The message appears with XXX worked correctly as the text. Modify the xxx QT and add %ISSIGNATURE at the top. Press Ctrl+N for a new message. This no longer shows XXX worked correctly. `--\ End /-- -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.1.11.27 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 pgpxarBG2Wogi.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.1.11.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
QT variables broken
Hi TB Beta list members, Consider this macro: [%ABtoPhone(xxx)]%- %x=%ABtoPhone(xxx)%- [-%x-] ,--/ What you should get is: \-- [xxx] [-xxx-] `--\ End /-- ,--/ What you get is: \-- [xxx] [--] `--\ End /-- Something got broken in build 21. Please confirm and I will add it to BugTraq. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.1.11.24 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 pgpciH28Bt5Q2.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.1.11.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: QT variables broken
Dear Zygmunt, @12-May-2009, 13:00 +0200 (12-May 12:00 here) Zygmunt Wereszczynski [ZW] in mid:9566104b05a8ea5563e3db86e01657bc.qm...@home.pl said: ... snip [%ABtoPhone(xxx)]%- %x=%ABtoPhone(xxx)%- [-%x-] ZW [...] Something got broken in build 21. Please confirm and I will add it to BugTraq. ZW You make a little mistake, because template varibles must be ZW preceeded by underscore chcracter. Please try the following ZW syntax: ... snip ZW This works correctly. While this is true ... The description of the Variable macro doesn't say that. And the QTs that are using the syntax I have trouble with are unchanged and worked perfectly before build 21. I added the variables in testing to find out why I get nothing from my old sig QTs and found that behaviour. Consider the following: [1]%ABTOPhone(Soft) [2]%qinclude(%ABTOPhone(Soft)) [3]%qinclude(XSig) Lines 2 and 3 are from the actual QT I want to use. Line 1 was added for debugging. If the macro is executed with all three lines present by manual invocation, it functions perfectly. If line 2 is omitted, the template macro functions perfectly. With line 2 present, the entire macro outputs nothing when used as a template macro. I say again, this is changed behaviour from build 21 and I have yet to pinpoint the trigger. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.1.11.24 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 pgpG07D7KOyfD.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.1.11.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.26
Dear Mse, @12-May-2009, 21:55 +0200 (12-May 20:55 here) mse [M] in mid:601853487.20090512215...@gmx.net said to Maxim: ... snip M But when I open Account properties and navigate to a dialog that M contains RadioButtons I get the following error message (same with M Preferences / Messages): ... snip M Cannot create file C:\a\file.bmp. Das System kann den angegebenen Pfad nicht finden. Confirmed. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.1.11.26 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 pgpGcScHcCCc3.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.1.11.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.23
Dear Maxim, @9-May-2009, 21:24 +0300 (09-mmm t here) Maxim Masiutin [MM] in mid:1903580783.20090509212...@ritlabs.com said: MM The Bat! 4.1.11.23 is available at MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb411123.rar ... snip 4.1.11.21 release broke my (ok, fairly convoluted) sig and quote QTs. They are still broken in .23 and I have reverted to .20 for now, which is the last time they worked. From .21 onwards, I am unable to reply without spending time manually rewriting the sig and top sections. This feel like it may relate to a changed inheritance of the %ISSIGNATURE status? I, too, have seen the Cannot write to canvas errors and have seen out of resources errors, empty pop-up error boxes, empty new message windows (where empty = just the window border drawn with system icon at the left and no content - just transparency to desktop or TB main window). In fact, I got these errors within 1 minute of loading up the .23 build. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.1.11.20 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgphSBcbERPi6.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.1.11.23 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Error Out of system resources
Dear Marek, @11-May-2009, 16:49 +0200 (11-mmm t here) Marek Mikus [MM] in mid:1106461832.20090511164...@ipex.cz said: MM with 4.1.11.23 I got two errors Out of system resources and TB MM disappeared when TB was runing for hours. My ex_log contains the following 2 entries for build 23: v4.1.11.23 SILVERSONG/Marck 11/05/2009 08:01:49 MsgCtl:8 EAccessViolation Access violation at address 007D46BC in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address 00EC v4.1.11.23 SILVERSONG/Marck 11/05/2009 10:18:52 MsgCtl:5 EAccessViolation Access violation at address 00AE4349 in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address Meanwhile, over at thebat_Exceptions.log, we see - too much info to send here. Here are some highlights. Date: 11 May 2009 08:01:44 OS: Windows Vista Service Pack 1 build 6001 PhysMemFreeTotal: 1684/2047 MB VirtMemFreeTotal: 1712/2047 MB Address: 0049463A ClassName: Exception Message: Can't create compatible DC IsOSException: 0 Modules: 0040 20090509183050 C:\Program Files\Internet\tb\thebat.exe Stack: 0049463A [0040] 00494635 [0040] 004946CA [0040] 0049433D [0040] 00BE41CF [0040] 004D0038 [0040] 004D004D [0040] 00BDE79E [0040] 00BDEFC4 [0040] 00BDF801 [0040] 00BDCAAE [0040] 00BDC5F9 [0040] 00AE25E9 [0040] 00AE1DFE [0040] 00403044 [0040] 005415EB [0040] 005411AA [0040] 005411C6 [0040] 00403028 [0040] 00405C38 [0040] 00404B93 [0040] 00404F53 [0040] 00AD4BDC [0040] 00AE1317 [0040] 00A78907 [0040] 00A79B93 [0040] 00707B6A [0040] 007095C7 [0040] 004C195E [0040] 00708E6E [0040] 007098DD [0040] 00BE0CC2 [0040] 004C09E2 [0040] 004CFFD9 [0040] 004C1B23 [0040] 004C8F2B [0040] 0056A378 [0040] 0056A3ED [0040] 00563F53 [0040] 005681CE [0040] 00795AA5 [0040] 0079E526 [0040] 005677A0 [0040] 0046BBD0 [0040] 0054AC1B [0040] 0054AC92 [0040] 0054AED2 [0040] 0054AF36 [0040] 0054B18E [0040] 00C74EA2 [0040] 00C78FFF [0040] 00C7DF3C [0040] 01268502 [0040] Date: 11 May 2009 08:01:48 OS: Windows Vista Service Pack 1 build 6001 PhysMemFreeTotal: 1679/2047 MB VirtMemFreeTotal: 1712/2047 MB Address: 004945E6 ClassName: Exception Message: Can't allocate the DIB handle IsOSException: 0 Modules: 0040 20090509183050 C:\Program Files\Internet\tb\thebat.exe Stack: 004945E6 [0040] 004945E1 [0040] 004946CA [0040] 0049433D [0040] 00494304 [0040] 005378FC [0040] 00537830 [0040] 004D1851 [0040] 004D18AF [0040] 004D2165 [0040] 004B87DC [0040] 00563F53 [0040] 00406386 [0040] 004CF39E [0040] 004EC9FA [0040] 004C26F2 [0040] 005681CE [0040] 005677A0 [0040] 0046BBD0 [0040] 004B6E3A [0040] 004B6F07 [0040] 00563F53 [0040] 0046BBD0 [0040] 005681CE [0040] 00441344 [0040] 00441354 [0040] 0046093B [0040] 00482E68 [0040] 005677A0 [0040] 0046BBD0 [0040] 0056A6B6 [0040] 00437DF3 [0040] 00566ECC [0040] 00566DED [0040] 00403044 [0040] 00404BA8 [0040] 00404F9E [0040] 0045FE94 [0040] 00404BF0 [0040] 00566475 [0040] 005671DA [0040] 0056AC2C [0040] 0056AC39 [0040] 004F05DD [0040] 004D1914 [0040] 0056907C [0040] 004F07D0 [0040] 00563F53 [0040] 005681CE [0040] 005677A0 [0040] 0046BBD0 [0040] 00437DF3 [0040] 00566ECC [0040] 00566DED [0040] 005671DA [0040] 005674A0 [0040] 005674CE [0040] 00567681 [0040] 0056A096 [0040] 00563F53 [0040] 00BDC5F9 [0040] 005681CE [0040] 00542BA1 [0040] 00563BE0 [0040] 005622F6 [0040] 00542396 [0040] 0054162B [0040] 005411AA [0040] 005411C6 [0040] 00403028 [0040] 00405C38 [0040] 00404B93 [0040] 00404F53 [0040] 00AD4BDC [0040] 00AE1317 [0040] 00A78907 [0040] 00A79B93 [0040] 00707B6A [0040] 007095C7 [0040] 004C195E [0040] 00708E6E [0040] 007098DD [0040] 00BE0CC2 [0040] 004C09E2 [0040] 004CFFD9 [0040] 004C1B23 [0040] 004C8F2B [0040] 0056A378 [0040] 0056A3ED [0040] 00563F53 [0040] 005681CE [0040] 00795AA5 [0040] 0079E526 [0040] 005677A0 [0040] 0046BBD0 [0040] 0054AC1B [0040] 0054AC92 [0040] 0054AED2 [0040] 0054AF36 [0040] 0054B18E [0040] 00C74EA2 [0040] 00C78FFF [0040] 00C7DF3C [0040] 01268502 [0040] ... snip Date: 11 May 2009 08:01:48 OS: Windows Vista Service Pack 1 build 6001 PhysMemFreeTotal: 1678/2047 MB VirtMemFreeTotal: 1712/2047 MB Address: 0047F3E9 ClassName: EInvalidOperation
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Dear Listuser, @9-Apr-2009, 12:40 -0500 (09-Apr 18:40 here) Art [L] in mid:1478116509.20090409124...@candw.ky said: L test My guess ... fail! (lack of subject and sent to 2 mailing lists - has to be incorrectly written folder template). -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.1.11.12 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgphyPZJvqBlR.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.1.11.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Re: TheBat Beta List DNS Problems
Dear Peter, @10-Feb-2009, 14:06 +0100 (10-Feb 13:06 here) Peter Kaleve [PK] in mid:198804232.20090210140...@pkal.net said to Jens: PK this is what I get: ... snip DNSWatch - DNS Lookup for thebat.dutaint.com PK Searching for thebat.dutaint.com. NS record at ... snip PK NS record found: ns0.0x539.de. PK NS record found: ns2.dutaint.com. PK Domain TypeTTL Answer PK thebat.dutaint.com. NS 10800 ns0.0x539.de. PK thebat.dutaint.com. NS 10800 ns2.dutaint.com. ... snip The Answer is not correctly at all, well, but still i see ns.zentrumderarbeit.org - This server should not be authoritative! PK true, but still no hint where we get lost? What we should be look at is the MX records for thebat.dutaint.com: C:\Users\Marcknslookup Default Server: UnKnown Address: 192.168.0.100 set type=mx thebat.dutaint.com Server: UnKnown Address: 192.168.0.100 Non-authoritative answer: thebat.dutaint.com MX preference = 5, mail exchanger = mx0.0x539.de thebat.dutaint.com nameserver = ns0.0x539.de thebat.dutaint.com nameserver = ns2.dutaint.com thebat.dutaint.com nameserver = ns.zentrumderarbeit.org ns.zentrumderarbeit.org internet address = 217.24.217.143 ns0.0x539.deinternet address = 88.198.49.206 ns2.dutaint.com internet address = 203.130.233.13 server ns0.0x539.de Default Server: ns0.0x539.de Address: 88.198.49.206 thebat.dutaint.com Server: ns0.0x539.de Address: 88.198.49.206 thebat.dutaint.com MX preference = 5, mail exchanger = mx0.0x539.de mx0.0x539.deinternet address = 78.46.103.116 server ns2.dutaint.com *** Can't find address for server ns2.dutaint.com: Server failed server ns.zentrumderarbeit.org *** Can't find address for server ns.zentrumderarbeit.org: Server failed Using the kloth.net online NSLOOKUP utility, I get: DNS server handling your query: localhost DNS server's address: 127.0.0.1#53 Non-authoritative answer: thebat.dutaint.com mail exchanger = 5 mx0.0x539.de. DNS server handling your query: ns2.dutaint.com DNS server's address: 203.130.233.13#53 thebat.dutaint.com mail exchanger = 5 mx0.0x539.de. DNS server handling your query: ns.zentrumderarbeit.org DNS server's address: 217.24.217.143#53 thebat.dutaint.com mail exchanger = 5 hera.geschkult.fu-berlin.de. Ooops!!! There's the problem! ns.zentrumderarbeit.org is in the list of MX nameservers, but it hasn't been updated! This sounds like a job for Johannes. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.1.11.3 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpVXnd4dkQkN.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.1.11.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Didn't get the announcement
Dear George, @9-Feb-2009, 15:17 +0200 (09-Feb 13:17 here) George M. Menegakis [GM] in mid:1572248141.20090209151...@gmail.com said to MAU: Hmmm! I never got Maxim's announcement. GM Neither did I. That happened to other people also. Heck, not even *I* got Maxim's announcement! -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.1.11.2 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpfE1nnRELSG.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.1.11.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Lists moved
Hi TB Beta list members, This message is a simple courtesy to let you know that a new server is now running the TBLists following a forced move. Other than some subtle differences in the headers members here should have no problems with the change. I will update the admin interface links in the Info page ASAP. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.1.9.4 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 pgpF2G17q2FDj.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.1.9.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lists moved
Dear Alain, @21-Jan-2009, 21:50 +0100 (21-Jan 20:50 here) Alain de Gevigney [ADG] in mid:1594298635.20090121215...@free.fr said to Marck: This message is a simple courtesy to let you know that a new server is now running the TBLists following a forced move. ... snip ADG a small change here : I can't send messages directly to your smtp server : ... snip ADG | 21:47:37 550-No SMTP access -- 77.204.211.119 is listed in zen.spamhaus.org ADG | 550 (http://www.spamhaus.org/query/bl?ip=77.204.211.119) and not whitelisted It looks like you got your server blacklisted at Spamhaus. You'll have to contact them and see what it would take to get you unlisted. The old server may not have been worried about Spamhaus, but the new one clearly is. ADG not so important, but I don't know if the previous one was ADG received by the list, so excuse me if you got it twice ;) Only this one. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.1.9.4 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpVpXNx2sIb9.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.1.9.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Track marking
Dear Goos, @12-Jan-2009, 11:44 +0100 (12-Jan 10:44 here) Gunivortus Goos [G] in mid:917974429.20090112114...@boudicca.de said to Gunivortus: ... snip G choose an account. I choose the account under which TBBETA is a subfolder. G And my message comes in this list in stead of to the site-support, which was G first in the T: field. G That's wierd! Not at all. It is exactly what is supposed to happen when you use folder templates that set the TO address. I have often been heard to rant about the potential evils of using folder templates instead of AB templates. Thanks for the perfect demonstration of what happens! -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.1.9.1 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpVGPLEE08TI.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.1.9.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Track marking
Dear Goos, @12-Jan-2009, 12:02 +0100 (12-Jan 11:02 here) Gunivortus Goos [G] in mid:631305891.20090112120...@boudicca.de said to Marck: G That's wierd! Not at all. G We disagree. I think it's more a misunderstanding thsn a disagreement. It is exactly what is supposed to happen when you use folder templates that set the TO address. G I use the TO: option for the TBBETA list. Then TB is doing exactly what you told it to. When this folder has the focus, replace any TO address with that of the beta list. G If I want to write a message in that list I don't want to seek for G the address. (Using the editor in fullscreen). Well, that's fair enough. But there are safer ways of telling TB to set the address for you that don't make it replace valid addressing by accident. I see Roelof has given you the folder template safe TO changer. That will fix the problem for you. G At my action before, I choose an ACCOUNT, not a folder! Indeed. And TB has no instructions to change the current folder selection. Which mean that TB is forced to use the selected folder's new message template. G That message should have been written to that site, using my G choosen account-address. This is really bad behaviour of TB for me, G very untrustable. Hmmm. It's only doing what you told it to. It's only untrustworthy when you don't fully understand the implications of using a folder template. I have often been heard to rant about the potential evils of using folder templates instead of AB templates. Thanks for the perfect demonstration of what happens! G Don't know what are AB templates. Address Book Templates. G It's really wird IMO, that TB changes the emailaddress. Okay, but it's only doing what you told it to. Folder Templates *can* cause apparently weird behaviour and should be used with care. That macro that Roelof gave you should be used (with suitable modifications) in *all* folder templates that set a TO address. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.1.9.1 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0LkauikQWH.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.1.9.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Re: Oh, I am bad!
Dear Roelof, @23-Dec-2008, 16:41 +0100 (23-Dec 15:41 here) Roelof Otten [RO] in mid:1274918179.20081223164...@otten.tv said to Gunivortus: GG What happens, if a recipient doesn't have this font? RO You really don't want to know. TB decided to generate a new font, that RO overheated my PC, the smoke leaked out and my PC stopped running. Confirmed. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.1.5 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgp1L4dVXWRWz.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.1.5.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1 release MSIs
Dear Maxim, @20-Dec-2008, 17:31 +0200 (20-Dec 15:31 here) Maxim Masiutin [MM] in mid:468399774.20081220173...@ritlabs.com said: MM Please test the 4.1 release MSIs which we are going to release on MM Tuesday. MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_rus_4-1-3.msi MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_4-1-3.msi MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_4-1-3.msi MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/intpack_4-1-3.msi UR here. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.1.3 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgp7t9tYUadcV.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.1.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Re: 4.0.34.15
Dear Miguel, @15-Oct-2008, 16:28 +0200 (15-Oct 15:28 here) MAU [MAU] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP Any sign of a fix for the ticker filling with deleted unread MDP (filtered) Inbox messages when a new message arrives in the Inbox? ... snip MAU See the note I just added to BT report: MAU https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4572 I'm not experiencing any problems with the ticker in this build. Deleted Inbox messages are no longer being shown on the ticker here when new mail arrives and stays in the Inbox. MAU I could not add a note to the one you opened: MAU https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7239 MAU because it is already in 'Resolved' status Makes sense. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.34.15 (ALPHA) on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgprfYmkJQCwS.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.34.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat Mailinglists
Dear Roelof, @11-Oct-2008, 13:58 +0200 (11-Oct 12:58 here) Roelof Otten [RO] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Jens: You don't have to try. TBTech died, due to lack of flow. JF Ok, please keep in mind, that it is still announced on JF http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/lists.html JF which has been confusing me. RO I'll pass that on to Marck, just in case he didn't read your RO message. Oops! Thanks for the heads-up. Fixed. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.34.13 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgp9NvKby8hCz.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.34.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat Mailinglists
Dear Mau, @11-Oct-2008, 19:25 +0200 (11-Oct 18:25 here) MAU [M] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: ... snip RO I'll pass that on to Marck, just in case he didn't read your RO message. Oops! Thanks for the heads-up. Fixed M Not here: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html M Neither in Contents or main page. True - I change the FAQ, not the TBUDLInfo. Fixed now, for sure!! -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.34.13 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgplD45nJGJtQ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.34.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat Mailinglists
Dear Mau, @12-Oct-2008, 01:59 +0200 (12-Oct 00:59 here) MAU [M] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: ... snip True - I change the FAQ, not the TBUDLInfo. Fixed now, for sure!! *changed M Yes, but not completely. See at the end of the page, where it says: ... snip M TBTECH is still mentioned, the link works and the welcome message is M displayed if you click on it :) Lol! Thanks Miguel. I had to miss one!! Okay, all done now. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.34.13 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpOZikksOCQJ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.34.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.34.15
Dear Maxim, @9-Oct-2008, 14:07 +0300 (09-Oct 12:07 here) Maxim Masiutin [MM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: MM The Bat! 4.0.34.15 (ALPHA) is available at MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb403415.rar MM What's new in 4.0.34.15 since 4.0.34.13: MM [+] HTML templates in Folder Properties Any sign of a fix for the ticker filling with deleted unread (filtered) Inbox messages when a new message arrives in the Inbox? -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.34.13 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpEIlvTwmGXt.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.34.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.34.15
Dear Stefan, @9-Oct-2008, 15:13 +0300 (09-Oct 13:13 here) Stefan Tanurkov [ST] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP Any sign of a fix for the ticker filling with deleted unread MDP (filtered) Inbox messages when a new message arrives in the Inbox? ST Do you mean the problem wasn't fixed? I thought it was. I added a note to the bug report that there was a problem with the fix. Miguel Urech came up with the full definition of the issue and reported here. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.34.13 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpsEoO0CgxqZ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.34.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:
Dear Wjmc, @5-Oct-2008, 11:41 -0500 (05-Oct 17:41 here) Bill McCarthy [W] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to TB: W On Sun 5-Oct-08 9:49am -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +OK Received: from hpsmtp-eml32.kpnxchange.com ... snip W The entire kludge is part of the email. ... snip W The problem is either here, your setup or the list itself W :-) The list server flagged the message up as ill-formed on arrival. I let it through manually because the content was intended and I thought the state of the headers would pose an interesting conundrum for the group. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.34.13 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgp7gUQSzdChb.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.34.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.34.12
Dear Stefan, @30-Sep-2008, 10:31 +0300 (30-Sep 08:31 here) Stefan Tanurkov [ST] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Jim: JN When I view an email and have it automatically mark as unread JN (set to mark as unread after viewing for 5 seconds), that email JN still shows up in the ticker. ST Cannot confirm this - message go off the ticker as soon as they're ST read. What I'm seeing is that messages filtered to folder on receipt are showing twice in the ticker - once in inbox (where they are not) and once in the folder they have been moved to. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.34.12 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgp3UIJMk6bdl.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.34.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.34.12
Dear Stefan, @30-Sep-2008, 15:15 +0300 (30-Sep 13:15 here) Stefan Tanurkov [ST] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP What I'm seeing is that messages filtered to folder on receipt are MDP showing twice in the ticker - once in inbox (where they are not) and MDP once in the folder they have been moved to. ST Ugh. I'm not running into this either. I'm wondering what I should do ST to reproduce all those glitches... It only happened once and has not happened since. If it happens again, I'll try to spot the sequence that led to it. For now, the ticker is working fine. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.34.13 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpW0sz8fLxd8.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.34.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.34.12
Dear Stefan, @30-Sep-2008, 15:15 +0300 (30-Sep 13:15 here) Stefan Tanurkov [ST] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP What I'm seeing is that messages filtered to folder on receipt are MDP showing twice in the ticker - once in inbox (where they are not) and MDP once in the folder they have been moved to. ST Ugh. I'm not running into this either. I'm wondering what I should do ST to reproduce all those glitches... I am now replying to this message from my Inbox. It's not really there. It is the deleted scar of the original that was moved to my TBBETA folder when it first arrived. The message only appears to be in the inbox from the POV of the Ticker VF. The sequence was: Open Ticker VF Browse messages (all in their respective folders after filtering) Close ticker VF Wait for 30 mins while messages build up Open Ticker VF. New messages are shown but also appearing are the remnants of messages deleted from inbox by filtering. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.34.13 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpWQ8JzKnzM1.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.34.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Re: 4.0.34.12
Dear Maxim, @29-Sep-2008, 19:33 +0300 (29-Sep 17:33 here) Maxim Masiutin [MM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: MM What's new in 4.0.34.12 since 4.0.34.11: ... snip MM [-] (#0007239) (Beta issue) Mail Ticker was not functioning properly Confirmed fixed here. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.34.12 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpWCtvQ1w71Q.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.34.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Re: 4.0.34.11
Dear Mike, @27-Sep-2008, 08:38 -0400 (27-Sep 13:38 here) Mike [M] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP This version seems to have crippled my Ticker. ... snip MDP Anyone else seen this? M Yes, I'm seeing it as well. Glad to hear it! Issue now bugtraq'd - anyone else seeing the problem please confirm here: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7239 -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.34.11 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpLdFZdSeDWn.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.34.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.34.11
Dear Marck, @27-Sep-2008, 14:15 Marck D Pearlstone [MP] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Mike: ... snip MDP This version seems to have crippled my Ticker. MP https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7239 ... at which point, the ticker begins working again. :( -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.34.11 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpw2K62mPwHP.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.34.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.34.11
Dear Maxim, @26-Sep-2008, 18:35 +0300 (26-Sep 16:35 here) Maxim Masiutin [MM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: MM The Bat! 4.0.34.11 is available at MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb403411.rar This version seems to have crippled my Ticker. I keep it very narrow and to the bottom left of my desktop. In this version, it fails to appear, or flashes up and vanishes after playing with the options. Anyone else seen this? -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.34.11 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpkR5ojKmpuj.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.34.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Re: Strange window (Re: MSI)
Dear Damien, @14-Aug-2008, 20:51 +0200 (14-Aug 19:51 here) Damien [D] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Maxim: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/thebat_pro_4-0-28.msi D I have a strange window during install. See attached image. D There seems to be a text problem (and the installshield text too). Confirmed - it has been this for me with all v4 MSI Pro installers. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.28.1 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpeg6b8b9n1T.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.28.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Strange window (Re: MSI)
Dear Mse, @14-Aug-2008, 22:53 +0200 (14-Aug 21:53 here) mse [M] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: ... snip M digital cameras. Such tools for example come with Photoshop Elements 6 M or Corel Paint Shop Pro Photo X2 and many vendor-specific software M that comes with digtal photo cameras. Maybe this window only occurs M when these kinds of graphics software are installed on Vista-systems. I have no such software installed. The only camera software installed at this end are the drivers and support software for the web-cam built into the frame of my laptop's screen. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.28.1 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpo8WTkB4ugF.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.28.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Re: AV when Bat called from system tray 4.0.24.25
Dear Rick, @5-Jul-2008, 14:48 -0400 (05-Jul 19:48 here) Rick [R] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Martin: ... snip R I'm not baiting but asking - is it a rule? Well, yes, but it's a automatic one that needs no mention. The server is programmed with limits as to how big a list message may be. ... Which also means that the rule *does* allow for attachments. I agree with Roelof that the image being discussed here is an unnecessary one in view of the fact that a picture may be said to paint a thousand words, but that this one settled for 16. So in terms of value for bandwidth, it was poor. But I personally wouldn't decry anyone for flooding the list with a massive (sharp intake of breath) 18kb of data. So ... back to the topic in hand? Please? -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.24.25 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpc4lElRgYwA.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.24.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Re: Ugly toolbar Undo/Redo icons in QT editor
Dear Marek, @28-Jun-2008, 09:05 +0200 (28-Jun 08:05 here) Marek Mikus [MM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: MM But as You cen see, these icons looks very ugly in this size: ... they are the same (size) as the address book icons. If one is wrong, so is the other. OTOH the Sorting office and Smartbat toolbars are menu sized. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.24.24 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpEZOghAWqcS.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.24.23 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.24.22
Dear Neal, @27-Jun-2008, 16:21 -0800 (28-Jun 01:21 here) Neal Laugman [NL] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: ... snip MM [-] Fixed an AV that might happen when simultaneously checking multiple accounts with TLS MP I have been having to task-manager close a locked TB at least twice a MP day up to this version and I *do* have multiple accounts with TLS. So MP far, I haven't had that problem with this build. I'll keep watching. NL Still using .22 and I've had some problems shutting down and TB NL hanging. I have reverted to .22 and have just successfully left it running overnight. That doesn't happen often here, so it seems so far that this build cures the hang for me but it is broken in earlier build and .23. ... snip NL track of. I'm sure Antispam Sniper can account for half of that. Not using local anti-spam anymore. NL I think there is memory loss going on here, but no AV. No AV or memory loss for me. Just a complete stop on all functionality - icon stops mid-flap (if it happens to be flapping at the time) and ticker stops mid-scroll. No right click menu on icon, no mail check activity. All very quiet and need a task manager culling to get control back. NL at least the last time. I tried dropping various threads (using NL Process Explorer) so see if I could find the one that was hanging NL up the shutdown, I don't have hanging on exit. I just have (or had - none with this build) random hanging during use. ... snip While this was true of build .22, it is not true if ,23. I am getting freeze-ups again. NL I will upgrade to .23 and check it out. Marck - do you purge and NL compress at shutdown? Yes. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.24.22 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpvPkFP9KYwb.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.24.23 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.24.22
Dear Neal, @28-Jun-2008, 04:11 -0800 (28-Jun 13:11 here) Neal Laugman [NL] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: ... snip NL I've seen the freeze before and the virtual lock-up of the desktop, NL but not for quite some time now (praise be to Stef and Max). It's not a freeze of anything but TB here. It is completely hung in the tooltray. Nothing in the exception logs. Just a dead Bat. ... snip NL .23 had less memory requirements and I've just installed .24 - we NL shall see. So far, no hangs. NL So you have never seen the status dialog not fully painted with no NL idea where the shut-down process is at? NL It's a scary thing to see with OTFE with my current mail-bases now NL approaching 1GB! But I back up early and often. I don't use OTFE so I've not seen anything like it. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.24.24 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpD0WqfzcxID.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.24.23 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.24.22
Dear All, @18-Jun-2008, 09:49 Marck D Pearlstone [MP] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Maxim: MM [-] Fixed an AV that might happen when simultaneously checking multiple accounts with TLS MP I have been having to task-manager close a locked TB at least twice a MP day up to this version and I *do* have multiple accounts with TLS. So MP far, I haven't had that problem with this build. I'll keep watching. While this was true of build .22, it is not true if ,23. I am getting freeze-ups again. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.24.23 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpUj42fRYmZW.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.24.23 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Replying to an HTML mail
Title: Re: Replying to an HTML mail Dear Thomas, @22-Jun-2008, 18:55 +0700 (22-Jun 12:55 here) Thomas Fernandez [TOG] inmid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]said to Mark: TF Everything looks normal now, no more blue line, no more double-spacing... TF give it a try! MP You must have another 4.0.24.23 than I have (or another configuration)! MP :-) You see: No blue line. Please reply to this message in HTML. Feeling a bit blue (line-wise) here. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.24.23 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgphtIiVxZGzy.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.24.23 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Replying to an HTML mail
Title: Re: Replying to an HTML mail Dear Thomas, @22-Jun-2008, 20:36 +0700 (22-Jun 14:36 here) Thomas Fernandez [TOG] inmid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]said to Zygmunt: ZW You see: No blue line. Please reply to this message in HTML. ZW The line is thick, as you can see above... I saw it, but can't replicate it. As I asked Marck and others, *how* did you create the reply? I pressed the "Reply" button from the Browse Ticker Messages folder window and switched to HTML editor for the reply once it came up. I even changed my preferences to not reply to HTML in plain text and it the went straight to the HTML editor with blue line. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.24.23 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgp86LJmrGzkL.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.24.23 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.24.22
Dear Maxim, @16-Jun-2008, 19:09 +0300 (16-Jun 17:09 here) Maxim Masiutin [MM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: MM [-] Fixed an AV that might happen when simultaneously checking multiple accounts with TLS I have been having to task-manager close a locked TB at least twice a day up to this version and I *do* have multiple accounts with TLS. So far, I haven't had that problem with this build. I'll keep watching. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.24.22 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpTluOFwplFJ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.24.22 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Access Violation during mail fetch
Dear Mike, @2-Jun-2008, 07:44 -0400 (02-Jun 12:44 here) Mike [M] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP !01/06/2008, 17:51:18: FETCH - Access violation at address MDP 006B0A37 in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address MDP I have also been having to terminate a completely frozen TB (min MDP to tooltray) about twice every day. Anybody else seeing such MDP things? M Yes, I have had similar experiences. So, I can confirm. Somebody suggested to me privately that it may be to do with screen drivers and the tooltray icon animation. I have disabled animation and will see how that goes. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.24.16 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpM7W05Ql4fR.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.24.16 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Access Violation during mail fetch
Dear Richard, @2-Jun-2008, 08:32 -0400 (02-Jun 13:32 here) Richard Newman [RN] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP !01/06/2008, 17:51:18: FETCH - Access violation at address MDP 006B0A37 in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address RN I've been getting the same and went back to .11 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7056 Please confirm this issue on BugTraq. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.24.16 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpX3J3gX1ENd.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.24.16 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Access Violation during mail fetch
Hi TB Beta list members, !01/06/2008, 17:51:18: FETCH - Access violation at address 006B0A37 in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address I have also been having to terminate a completely frozen TB (min to tooltray) about twice every day. Anybody else seeing such things? -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.24.16 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 pgp7u8n0dJJte.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.24.16 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Doesn't stop flapping - Re: 4.0.24.11
Dear Thomas, @1-Jun-2008, 00:17 +0700 (31-May 18:17 here) Thomas Fernandez [TF] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Thomas: ... snip TF field, it showed your name with the TBBETA address as desired. The TF moment I click into the body, the TO field is changed as above. That TF happened three times in in row. TF Can anybody confirm? I've never seen this odd behaviour before. I will confirm but fully describe it as follows: When you click into the *unchanged* body of a message, the source template is re-evaluated. If that template affects any of the address fields, these are re-evaluated too. If you edit the body (even slightly) before making any changes to the addressing, any address changes will stick. It is by design, I believe, but the design does feel uncomfortable to me. ... snip -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.24.16 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpiUaZrUvG3m.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.24.16 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Weird recipeint behaviour
Dear Thomas, @1-Jun-2008, 01:45 +0700 (31-May 19:45 here) Thomas Fernandez [TF] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: ... snip MDP It is by design, I believe, but the design does feel uncomfortable to me. TF Confirmed. TF Since it is apparently by design, would the request to change have to TF be a wishhlist entry rather than a bug report? Wishlist entries take TF longer to get attention. Or should we wait for Ritlabs to confirm TF whether this is a bug or WAD? It's really a bug. There's clearly an internal a flag that says Body has been edited - do not re-apply template. There clearly should be a similar flag for the address. Having said that, I think Stef tried to get it sorted out once but it ended up worse. Some address changes *do* require a body re-evaluation since, e.g., you may be intending to trigger a specific address book template to reformat the message body. A balance is what we need. Separate evaluation of the manual modification state of the address headers and to ignore recipient changes when re-evaluating the template. Perhaps it's to do with timing. The template is being re-evaluated when moving into the body edit window. I can see the logic there too - all header changes are complete - it's the best time to re-evaluate the body content. But if the template used calls for a change to manually edited headers - that should be protected somehow. Tricky! -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.24.16 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpeKwTSBLeOp.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.24.16 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Re: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders
Dear Vilius, @14-May-2008, 18:02 +0300 (14-May 16:02 here) Vilius Šumskas [V] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: ... snip AS be able to cover this. Maybe you and he can start your own forum. V I think this is not for you to decide. My message was to RitLabs, .. Then it should be sent to RITlabs. Not here. V They own the list No, they don't. Some RITlabs programmers are list members. The list is officially sanctioned by them. But they do not own it. This is a public peer user list owned by Johannes Posel and myself, moderated by Roelof and myself and traumatised by a bunch of users in various states of pleasure and displeasure! There are list rules for good reason. One person got banned today. I'm in a bad mood. Don't tempt me!! ;-) V and only they (or their trusted moderators) can tell me when and V what to post or not. ... and what does your conscience tell you about the way you should express your in a public forum of peers? Things go a lot smoother here if we speak to each other how we would like to be spoken to ourselves. ... snip V Now I'm trying to get the message by talking directly to their V developers in this list. While they may or may not read you here, they are not duty bound to since, as I just explained, it's not their list. V Basically I'm trying _everything_ like they in Russia say: Metodom V naucnava tyka. Can't blame a guy for trying! V If none of this is appropriate then RitLabs should tell us what way V they prefer, because I don't see any other way? BugTraq entries with good detail and requests to this list for confirmation. And prayer, maybe? -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.24.10 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpEXIsXD2zMm.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.24.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders
Dear Rimvydas, @12-May-2008, 18:54 +0300 (12-May 16:54 here) Rimvydas Zilinskas [RZ] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: ... snip ...and while your at it - fix the whole of IMAP! sounds like please fix the misplaced label in XYZ dialog og thebat. and while you're at it - fix the whole thebat :) RZ I don't know whats so funny with that. The Bat! has the bugs in there I RZ paid the money for it and naturally I want them fixed. I think Vitalie is implying that for a bug to be fixed, RITlabs need specifics - description, instructions to replicate, etc. A demand to fix the whole of IMAP! is not very constructive. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.24.8 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpEAgGhsQXcM.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.24.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: анекдот
Dear Vitalie, @09-May-2008, 22:55 +0300 (09-May 20:55 here) vitalie vrabie [VV] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: VV заходит как-то Стефан Танурков в класс тббета: VV - дети, уот из зе бест емеил клаент? VV дети (хором): VV - зее бееет! VV Стефан (зычным голосом, из тундерберда): VV - авотх%й. Welcome back - nice to see you resolved your subscription problems. One thing - it's an English language list ;-). -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.24.7 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpN0lzW5F7xy.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.24.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Re: Bugs I've noticed recently
Dear Stuart, @31-Mar-2008, 23:37 -0400 (01-Apr 04:37 here) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [S] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: ... snip 1) The auto backup backs up to the default location (a drive short of ... snip S I would certainly like to be able to stop this behavior. I don't S know where the settings are stored. Can anyone help? That's easy. It's in the Scheduler. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.20 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpQ1G77zp4Eb.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.18.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Bugs I've noticed recently
Hi TB Beta list members, The current release, 4.0.20.0, is behaving here in 2 ways: 1) The auto backup backs up to the default location (a drive short of space) despite having been told to store elsewhere in another file on a drive with much more room. Nasty! 2) TB is freezing. It is usually minimised to the tool tray. Sometimes there may be new mail in the ticker, in which case I can right click the ticker and get into the Vista program restart. Otherwise, I have to terminate the task and restart. Has anyone else experienced this? Did I miss a bug report or two? Can I do anything to better document this last issue to get it pinpointed. Besides these, I still have no way to send mass mail nor any working Create message from filter since moving to this new Vista laptop last July. This last pair of issues are major for me. I beg anyone who has any such issues or any suggestions to un-constipate my mass mailing and my filtering to help me out here! -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.20 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 pgppCDdBWNu3I.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.18.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Potential downtime warning
Hi T'Buddlers, This is an administrative cross post. Johannes is in the process of moving the lists to new homes on servers nearer (in the next room instead of across the country). Please bear with us while the move and DNS changes take hold - we may experience a little turbulence! ;-) My thanks to Johannes, Syafril and Pit for their speedy work on this. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.18.6 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 pgpPBRQdNTivx.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.18.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: help
Dear Heather / Dan, @10-Mar-2008, 08:55 -0400 (10-Mar 12:55 here) Heather Dan Morrison [HDM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: ... snip You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you mean to ask for help from the administrator. When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of TBBETA digest... Okay - so help isn't the original subject, but it's hard to help when you're being a little sparing on details of what your problem might be. (Other than using Outlook Express to attempt to read a MIME digest). ... snip Today's Topics: So - what's the problem? I have CC'd this to your private email since you may be having trouble reading it on digest. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.16.2 on Windows Vista 6.0.6000 ' pgpMOa8LHXEVe.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.16.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.16.2
Dear Martin, @9-Mar-2008, 20:15 +0100 (09-Mar 19:15 here) Martin Schoch [MS] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Maxim: https://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/thebat_pro_4-0-16-2.msi ... snip MS Working - but About tells me that this is version 4.0.16.1 ? Not confirmed. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.16.2 on Windows Vista 6.0.6000 ' pgpyEuoXVn7Kn.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.16.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.16.2
Dear Maxim, @9-Mar-2008, 01:04 +0200 (08-Mar 23:04 here) Maxim Masiutin [MM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: ... snip MM [-] The MSI didn't set the registry settings correctly to make The Bat! default mail client Confirmed fixed!!! Well done guys! :-D -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.16.2 on Windows Vista 6.0.6000 ' pgpVuK5XsqZHx.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.16.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.16.1
Dear Maxim, @7-Mar-2008, 16:17 +0200 (07-Mar 14:17 here) Maxim Masiutin [MM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: MM The Bat! 4.0.16.1 is available at MM https://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/thebat_pro_4-0-16.msi ... snip https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6749 Confirmed STILL broken! This issue is far from fixed. There is no change. The installer removes TB from the default clients list as before. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.16.1 on Windows Vista 6.0.6000 ' pgpsHPauzDpDL.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.16.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.16.1
Dear Dwight, @7-Mar-2008, 11:23 -0600 (07-Mar 17:23 here) Dwight Corrin [DC] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6749 Confirmed STILL broken! This issue is far from fixed. There is no change. The installer removes TB from the default clients list as before. DC when I saw there was a msi distribution, I was hopeful this vital DC issue was being addressed. No such luck. DC STILL BROKEN!!! NB: *Removes*!!! I manually edit the registry settings to re-instate TB as default client. These MSI builds actively undo that manual correction. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.16.1 on Windows Vista 6.0.6000 ' pgpxVKKt0EzEJ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.16.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A draft folder
Dear David_E, @4-Mar-2008, 17:56 David Elliott [DE] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: ... snip Create a new folder. Name it Draft. Okay - don't do that. Call it Deferred outbox instead and let it hold the messages you have finished and don't want to send yet. Let the outbox hold drafts as parked. You now have *exactly* what you asked for. And look - no testing, no development, no bloat, no extra system folder that only a few want or think they need. ... snip DE A sensible suggestion please. It remains sensible and will achieve the separation you want with no need for a new / permanent system folder that has to be created for all, even those of us that really don't want it or see the point of having it. DE 1) Extra and unnecessary effort to do this. Once, in creating the folder. Using it is the same as if it were a system folder. DE 2) To edit it I need to move it back to the Outbox. Yes - but turn it around to only hold completed mails and it's job done. How would you propose sending a mail from a Draft folder? It's still a matter of moving, or clicking or right clicking or opening and sending or well, doing *something*. So, no user overhead there. DE 3) Extra and unnecessary effort to undo this. As opposed to the complete inability to undo it if it were a permanent system folder?? Sensible arguments, please! -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.14.9 on Windows Vista 6.0.6000 ' pgpAw6A9ZT0oS.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.14.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A draft folder
Dear Paul, @5-Mar-2008, 07:14 -0500 (05-Mar 12:14 here) Paul Van Noord [PVN] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: ... snip PVN years. The Parked in Outbox concept is not intuitive and I cannot PVN recall a single user figuring this out on their own. I don't actually buy that. Fact: you are editing a message. You have 4 disposition buttons at the top (and menu options). Hover help tells you Save as draft on the 3rd button. Every single user can figure that much out. It is a totally minor reach to discover the saved draft message in the outbox. The default column configuration shows the parked flag. What's to figure out? Fact: hit F1 while editing a message - even a novice user knows how to get help. There it is, plain English (or whatever is the language used in the translation being run), in the help: ,--/ From TB help \-- Save message as draft 1. Go to Message 2. Select Save message as draft Note: Your message will be put in the Outbox, flagged as draft preventing The Bat! from sending it `--\ End /-- While I accept that conceptually a user may not come up with the Parked in Outbox blindly, I do not accept that it is not obvious when you need to use it. I don't have a problem with the request for the feature. I have a real problem with the weak arguments and flawed logic used to support the request. PVN Some struggle with it constantly. I monitor these lists and the forums - I get full email feeds as an admin. This is not even an FAQ let alone a constant gripe. If you want to argue a point, facts help. I accept that you may have a different source of user enquiry and I'm only talking about the official TB support channels. PVN As with you I appreciate TB's way but as a trainer of new users I PVN assure you a Drafts folder is far more intuitive. Only if you came from software that had one and, as a new user, you are looking for the feature without actually trying to use it. PVN The argument that it is redundant is invalid as there are many of PVN those in TB and most software. If it were valid why are there PVN formatting buttons in the editor? We already have the menus and PVN hot keys! Here, you are talking about 2 routes to the same functionality - standard throughout just about every windows application - menu functions replicated in handy toolbars. That argument has no connection to the request for a separate drafts folder. It's a whole different scale of work involved. Most IDEs have a very simple mechanism for tying menu functions to toolbars. The kind of redundancy I'm talking about means having to write reams of new code to support something that adds nothing new. It may happen - I don't know. I know that, as a programmer I wouldn't like to do it. For all I know, it may even require a complete re-write of the outbox functionality. Like I say - you, and others, may want the feature and I don't actually object to the request. I just object that nobody seems to be able to make a sensible argument in favour of it without using flawed logic and exaggeration. That's not a challenge, btw. I've said all I'm going to say on this topic. Over to the wishlist and the whim of the RITs. ;-) -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.14.9 on Windows Vista 6.0.6000 ' pgpAXe10TVpPd.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.14.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A draft folder
Dear David_E, @4-Mar-2008, 03:54 David Elliott [DE] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: DE I would like to open a discussion for the need for a draft folder. DE Views ? Create a new folder. Name it Draft. Now drag any parked draft / unfinished message from the outbox to the Draft folder. Enjoy! -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.14.9 on Windows Vista 6.0.6000 ' pgpAku6bIJRvD.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.14.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A draft folder
Dear David_E, @4-Mar-2008, 17:56 David Elliott [DE] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: ... snip DE I would like to open a discussion for the need for a draft folder. DE Views ? Create a new folder. Name it Draft. ... snip DE A sensible suggestion please. It was one. DE 1) Extra and unnecessary effort to do this. DE 2) To edit it I need to move it back to the Outbox. DE 3) Extra and unnecessary effort to undo this. ... snip The fact remains it is a minority request for which there is already sufficient functionality implemented in the software. The Parked in outbox method works superbly and the majority do NOT want to see TB bloated with redundant features to please the minority. The fact remains, parking remains the method used in *this* client for keeping drafts and postponed sends alike. A better (more palatable?) suggestion would be for you to define a colour group to differentiate the two and assign drafts a different colour to one or the other to make them stand out in the outbox. I suggest that last one is actually a far better solution than a drafts folder anyway. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.14.9 on Windows Vista 6.0.6000 ' pgpilZy0kmtiS.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.14.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A draft folder
Dear Dwight, @4-Mar-2008, 18:57 -0600 (05-Mar 00:57 here) Dwight A Corrin [DC] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: ... snip The Parked in outbox method works superbly ... ... snip DC That is what they said about an HTML viewer, an HTML editor, etc. That existing HTML support worked well? Erm ... no that's not what was said. But it *is* what I'm saying about the handling of drafts in TB. ... snip DC Certainly the minority need the bloat related to dealing with PGP. PGP bloat would only have been bloat had it been added later. It was part of the *original* TB design and implementation - pre version 1. If you are going to take the route of calling innate functionality bloat then your argument becomes fundamentally flawed. DC There may be good reasons/excuses, but this isn't one of them. Like with like is the best way to compare. You've managed to not do that by only focusing on the last sentence of my post (which maybe I shouldn't even have bothered to say) and not the meaning. I think that the above quote from my post - the meat of what I was actually saying - *is* very far from what was said about HTML support. Yes the no bloat here is always a poor excuse when a feature is entirely lacking or the way of getting the functionality is convoluted. But my point was not about minority requests but about requests for functionality that already exists and works well. I accept that you (and others) like the idea of having a separate drafts folder. A folder you can edit messages in and they would never be sent. I personally don't think this idea offers any *new* functionality. I like keeping my drafts in the outbox, neatly parked, all in one place. Colour coding works well for differentiation if needed. if Stef or Max want to add a folder in which you could edit messages without them being sent ... up to them really. shrug What *could* be useful, and would make my initial suggestion of a roll your own drafts folder workable (I accept that it won't actually work as stands) would be making the Parked flag sticky across folders, so that messages can be moved in and out of the outbox without losing their parked status. That could help. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.14.9 on Windows Vista 6.0.6000 ' pgpBqMKQjMYSd.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.14.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Re: 4.0.14.7
Dear Max, @25-Feb-2008, 12:07 +0200 (25-Feb 10:07 here) Maxim Masiutin [M] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: M [-] (#0005063) Wrong account could be used when mass mailing Okay, this shows more sign of life for me than previous efforts, but still fails to work. Previously, no messages were created for mass mailings from a secondary account where the QTs involved were specific to that account. Now, when I tried to test this, first I was told that I had no valid S/MIME certificate for signing. Strange. The account does not have Use S/MIME ticked in the account properties - options settings. The QT used for the mailing asks for UsePGP and SignComplete. So, to humour it, I generated a new S/MIME certificate when prompted to provide one. Here, a side issue / bug was exposed. Even though I generated a brand new valid certificate (and added the certifier to the cert root address book), the OK button remained firmly disabled. I had to cancel the operation and restart it to get to use the new certificate. All academic really - I didn't ask to use S/MIME at all!! Then, having got everything in place, the operation was thwarted by another error - No certificate for (first recipient), Now when I try to do the mass mail, all I get is: Could not create a message for Recip Name [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please check your free disk space and file system integrity. The hard drive has only 7.2gb free. Would it need more than that? I think not. The file system integrity is fine. It's been quite a while since I have been able to mass mail. Message creation from filters is also still a no-go for me from a non-primary account. Erm ... help? -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.14.7 on Windows Vista 6.0.6000 ' pgpKAt8PNnBi7.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.14.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML Use on this Mailing List
Dear Volker, @25-Feb-2008, 12:43 +0100 (25-Feb 11:43 here) Volker Ahrendt [VA] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to TBB: VA For some days or weeks I have found more and more HTML uses in VA messages sent to this list without any moderator's interaction. VA Have the List Rules been changed since the beginning of this year. VA Just curious. To me it doesn't matter, if one uses Plain Text or HTML. The rules haven't changed. HTML can only be used on list to test HTML features. Some messages I have ignored recently have been borderline while others have been clearly testing the new editor features. If I spot a gratuitous use of HTML, I will still be digging out the slightly smellier trout I reserve for such occasions. There are also the times when I've been AWOL for a little too long and the time to make a point has passed. Oh well. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.14.7 on Windows Vista 6.0.6000 ' pgp7PEHDimXn7.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.14.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Associations still do not work under Vista
Dear Marek, @25-Feb-2008, 00:03 +0100 (24-Feb 23:03 here) Marek Mikus [MM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: MM I have reopened https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6749, I can not MM confirm and another user from forum tested latest build and can not MM confirm it. MM Anybody can check it yet? It's a tough one to check completely until the next MSI build is out, since that is responsible for the primary associations and client registry settings. I used the Associate now options and they no longer break the manually corrected registry data for the TB email client in the latest builds. But the original reports from Charles were about the Installer and not simply the file associations. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.14.5 on Windows Vista 6.0.6000 ' pgpiUmmEi5iqL.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.14.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Rogue Photos
Dear Henk, @10-Feb-2008, 09:14 +0100 (10-Feb 08:14 here) Henk M. de Bruijn [HMD] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Kyle: ... snip Logging in to the site is not the problem, I can do that. The problem is you cannot create a new account. I have tried several times. ... snip HMD I have mentioned on TBOT that several people do not succeed to upload HMD their rogue photo. I think there are more than one moderators of: HMD http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/ over there. HMD I expect to hear from them. Actually, there are 3 admins but only one operator - Leif Gregory. It's his system and he's no longer involved on the TB lists, having moved away from Windows to Linux last year. Leif is still active on TBOT, so the message should get through. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.12.1 on Windows Vista 6.0.6000 ' pgp3Pz2gjMpcl.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:
Dear Graham, @11-Feb-2008, 19:03 Graham [G] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: G hhf reeer 44334 rrr aswssd jjj G Erm ... folder template? ;-) -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.12.2 on Windows Vista 6.0.6000 ' pgpg1MOUz8YYt.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.12.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Default email client, file assoiciations
Dear Charles, @11-Feb-2008, 11:14 -0600 (11-Feb 17:14 here) Charles Hinchliffe [CH] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Charles: ... snip CH https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6773. CH Here is a registry fix that I used to fix the problem. That won't load on mine - and I've not got TB installed to the default locations. (quick tip - moderator style - shoulhd have said before - can you snip your replies to context please). -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.12.2 on Windows Vista 6.0.6000 ' pgpJMaazw5O8A.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.12.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.14
Dear Max, @12-Feb-2008, 00:48 +0200 (11-Feb 22:48 here) Maxim Masiutin [MM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: ... snip MM [-] (#0006777) Invalid typecast error message when changing background colour of MailTicker Confirmed fixed. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.14 on Windows Vista 6.0.6000 ' pgp3mcQTuTsaH.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.14.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Invalid class typecast (was: Re: 4.0.12.1)
Dear Maggie, @11-Feb-2008, 07:46 -0500 (11-Feb 12:46 here) Maggie Meister [MM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP I'm getting an Invalid Typecast error when trying to change the MDP ticker background colour in the Preferences dialog. MDP Any confirmations? MM Yes, confirm here. In which case ... https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6777 -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.12.2 on Windows Vista 6.0.6000 ' pgpDGS0irq0pi.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.12.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.12.1
Dear Max, @11-Feb-2008, 00:17 +0200 (10-Feb 22:17 here) Maxim Masiutin [MM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: ... snip MM What's new in 4.0.12.1 since 4.0.12.0: ... snip I'm getting an Invalid Typecast error when trying to change the ticker background colour in the Preferences dialog. Any confirmations? -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.0.12.1 on Windows Vista 6.0.6000 ' pgpSwj6DDnCrT.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
