Fwd: Thawte PGP Support
This is a forwarded message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, August 04, 2000, 3:33:30 AM Subject: Thawte PGP Support ===8==Original message text=== Hi, * This is an official Thawte Personal Certificate Announcement for all our customers using PGP * We would like to inform all of Thawte's PGP users that we will soon be discontinuing our support of PGP. We are in the process of making changes to our signing engines, and as of 1 September 2000, we will be converting to new systems. These changes will result in us no longer being able to sign PGP keys for our users. The discontinuation of this system will in no way affect the validity of your keys and the Thawte signatures on your keys will remain valid. For those of you who have had your identities verified for the Thawte Web of Trust, your points will remain and you are invited to obtain personal x.509 certificates which carry your name. Between now and 1 september, please feel free to get any keys that you might have, signed by Thawte. In the past we have attempted to keep up to date with our support of newer releases of PGP, but have not always managed to achieve this with the effectiveness that is commonly associated with other Thawte services. We still believe, however, that PGP is an excellent personal encryption tool, and this decision should in no way be interpreted as an indication of our confidence in PGP. If you have any questions or comments on this announcement, please feel free to contact me at your earliest convenience. Regards, -- Bruce Watermeyer Thawte Certification Need the strongest encryption available? Get a Thawte 128-bit SuperCert at http://www.thawte.com/certs/server/128bit/contents.html "It's better to regret something you did, Than something you didn't do!" ===8===End of original message text=== What does this mean for someone who doesn't have a key by Sept 1, 2000, or for those that have a key, but the year is now 2001? -- --- The Bat! 1.46 Beta/2 + 98Lite + Revenge of Mozilla II ... Unicorns vs. Bat , and that unicorn is just about out of BLOOD NOW! hahahah * Origin: Private Gateway to Outer-Space (88:888/8) -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Filter problems
Aye Ming-Li! On Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 14:37:52 GMT -0700 (which was 2:37 PM where you think I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: ML Hi phil, I made a "Catch All Filter" for my personal use like this. ML [example snipped] ML Thanks, phil. If you read through the thread, however, you would ML find the problem I (or Marek) have isn't to come up with a perfect ML filter condition (string) that would catch all. The problem is, I ML have some "munual" filters that I don't want to run when I ML *re-filter* a folder. Marck suggested using a "catch-all" filter ML between automatic filters and manual filters as a "stop point", ML which I think is a good idea. Nevertheless, a catch-all filter has ML to move messages somewhere, and I don't want messages (that fall ML into the "catch-all" category) moved at all when I re-filter a ML folder. Hence the problem. ML Thanks anyway. I follow ya. Yeah I don't see how that can be done except maybe moving the messages's twice maybe to a temp holding folder, then move them back to the original folder, but then you'd probably have to manually filter it twice. -- ... Babe Ruth used The Bat! --- The Bat! 1.45 Beta/11+98Lite+ROM II+IE4+Beta/+9/+10/+11 -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Browsing with left and rigt arrows
Aye Marck! On Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 17:19:26 GMT +0100 (which was 9:19 AM where you think I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: MDP Hi phil, MDP On 02 August 2000 at 08:56:29 GMT -0700 (which was 16:56 where I MDP live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject MDP of "Browsing with left and rigt arrows": p Aye, and here's my opportunity to test out to see if I can post a p message on TBBETA testing 1,2,3 How about it Marck? Am I p getting through to the list again? MDP Hey! Welcome back Phil! Mind you, just because I can see it, doesn't MDP mean you can. Of course you can - you just replied to Ming-Li. Alright! Yeah. ;o) Well since I got back on, and since I have you attention. I ran across something weird. I was talking to someone who was helping me out with a website. his mail program X-mailer showed Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) I know the CCK part means someone was tweaking on their browser, since, "CCK" means "Netscape Client Customization Kit Version 4.7" The weird thing is that when I tried to reply to him, nothing was quoted at all. I am assuming (maybe wrongly) that he has the "Send messages in HTML" box checked. In order to reply to him I had to resend the message (Forward) to myself and then nitpick the parts I wanted to quote manually actually it was formatted all screwed up and it is by far the worst email I have ever had to reply to in my entire life of email-ing. I told him how to edit his settings and send only Text out to me, but I wonder if the message wasn't a bug, ie. that I couldn't quote it back to him without processing it, and doing a lot of extra work. Normally I'd delete an HTML, but this is from someone who I am interested in what he has to say. And considering that were beta testing, I thought it was important. No joke. No quoting at all whatsoever. Hit reply and nothing at all. Just like I have a new message with everything he said removed. Kinda made me mad at first, because I knew that meant I had to totally re-edit what he sent. Sure... cut n paste was the solution, but should a message be that much trouble--I didn't think so. I can post the message, but it will show up normally after it's forwarded. I only hope the guy takes my suggestions and sends in both HTML and Plain TEXT. Anyway. looks like I've had some bad luck with mail lately ;o) -- ... Foghorn Leghorn: ah say, boy if your not using the bat! , you are about as smart as a bag of ball bearings! --- The Bat! 1.45 Beta/11+98Lite+ROM II+IE4+Beta/+9/+10/+11 -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: S/MIME encryption problems
Aye Nick! On Monday, July 24, 2000 at 14:35:08 GMT -0700 (which was 2:35 PM where you think I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: NA On Monday, July 24, 2000, 11:42:14 AM, phil wrote: p I see NO little keys, (like say in the "PGP Keymanager Window") none p at all. There are icons (Actually the resource files inside p thebat.exe) that appear to symbolize a piece of paper meaning " A p CONTACT " at least that's what they look like to symbolize to me, I p see not one "KEy symbol." NA Phil, I think you need to repeat the process of importing the NA Certificate again, only this time make sure you check the box that asks NA to include the Private Key as well. There is no Box. -- ... HTML FILES? I don't open them... I just delete them right off the bat! ;o) --- The Bat! 1.45 Beta/11+98Lite+ROM II+IE4+Beta/+9/+10/+11 -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: S/MIME encryption problems
I need to have ***ALL*** these questions answered History: In order to impliment S/MIME It was my understanding that all one had to do was browse to thawte, apply for a key, export it from the browser to a file called pfx.pfx Import pfx.pfx to the VCard, Create a new contact(ie. you) under TRUSTED ROOT CA and the universe S/MIME should be in harmony. Comment: a pipe dream? - I am not blind, I have eyes, I tweak on things and I try different options out and FIND what I need. I don't ever ask for help on ANYTHING I keep trying and find it, but if it AINT THERE It AINT my fault. Terms are being thrown out that have no definition[s] (unless you PRESS someone), Thawte says one thing, Apache Server says another, Tiny Webserver yet says another, the Tutorial on that website says another, folks on the list say yet another, Rit says another. I hear from Nick (thanks for the help BTW), there's a Private Key Box? Where? not in my Address book or the VCard I hear there are some KEY ICONS, (not in my Address book or the Vcard) So Where are they? There is No KEY ICONS (not in my Address book or the Vcard) What is the Create CSR button for? Does the Create CSR button work? Does the Create CSR button do anything at all except sit there doing nothing? Is it Broken if you hit it and you have a Certificate Highlighted in there and nothing happens? How many LINES are in the box when you import your certificate? Three Lines for ea imported Certificate? Y/n= Does this look right? $$$ LDIF Clipboard format $$$ dn: cn=phil,[EMAIL PROTECTED] cn: phil mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] modifyTimeStamp: 2724T172928Z givenName: phil comment:: DQo= objectclass: top objectclass: person I heard about that tutorial on that website, HOW-TO import SMIME keys (As was posted on TBBETA) I went there, I also went to Thawte and made a key in netscape 3.01, 4.73, Tiny Webserver, Apache SSL mod, and MSIE 4 (at DIfferent times over the last SEVERAL Days trying Different Combinations of getting a Certificate to import.) I read the tutorial. The tutorial is for what Operating System--Win2k? none of the pictures in those boxes match my system. They mention Advanced Radio Buttons in MSIE. Where? There Are only THREE Buttons in MSIE ( I stated this earlier one of the three is PERSONAL Certificates) An ADVANCED BUTTON? WHERE PFX, .P12 Blah - WHAT IS THE *EXACT NAME* THAT THE EXPORTED FROM MSIE4 FILE SHOULD BE CALLED ANYWAY? WHAT ABOUT IN NETSCAPE? WHERE SHOULD THAT FILE BE STORED? *EXACTLY WHERE?* Can I store it on a CD for a year until it expires and then DELETE MSE4 that I used to get the Certificate with? Would the key look the same exported from netscape as it would from MSIE? No / YES? WHY? CAN I REMOVE IE4. EVER? I was told there would be Beta/13. I wasn't told 145sm would come out. I wasn't told specifically NOT to use it. WILL THERE NOW BE a B/13? Should I be waiting for beta 13? Is there just No possible way to import these Certificates on a Windows 98 (original) system with IE4? Is something being overlooked which is specific to my setup? Do I have to have an original stock Path to Thebat's HOME directory? ie. (C:\Program Files\Thebat!\Thebat.exe as opposed to i:\mail\0\mail\new\thebat\thebat.exe or i:\mail\0\mail\thebat\thebat.exe) ? Netscape 4.73 (128 bit) - HAS NO EXPORT button. Netscape 3.0X Does, but the File won't import. Why? The Certificates I generated via the webserver[s] (that's PLURAL!) time out in 21 days. They were invalid, and could not be imported. Why? Apparently these keys are not Free either! Why suggest we get them if they are not free? Somewhere(earlier on) I heard that you had to import the keys into the PGP Key Manager... Where did that thread go? Why would we want to do that? (Actually I was able to get a "Webserver Certificate" Imported into the PGP Key Manager, and then there was an error when connecting to MIT and importing Thawte's Pgp Keys. ( a whole lot of keys there are I might add! ) I deleted this key. Should I Have? It said something was wrong, I don't want something wrong in my PGP Key's do I? What does my PGP KEY Manager have to do with S/MIME Anyway? Nothing? Everything? Anything? Obviously from my Taglines I originally had a 98 (original), not SE, and then 98lite, and then I ran ROM II on it which totally yanks out IE and I put win95 shell in (Three files), Then for purposes of getting a certificate I installed IE4. Could my OS have something to do with this? Can the Modifications have something to do with it? Regarding Thawte: Does JAVA have anything to do with it? Cookies? Active-X? Other Already EXISTING Security Certificates inside the browser? Regarding Requesting Certificates: When Requesting KEYS on Thawte, There are three keys to select from Right? Has anyone got any of the other two keys? Has anyone got a Key Can not be made error? Has anyone got any key other than the default key? Has
Re[2]: S/MIME encryption problems
p I hear from Nick (thanks for the help BTW), there's a Private Key p Box? Where? not in my Address book or the VCard LG I believe the private key box is the one mentioned in the step where LG you are exporting the key from the browser. heh, the only dialog I had was asking for a password and a filename. p I hear there are some KEY ICONS, (not in my Address book or the p Vcard) So Where are they? LG Account Properties/Edit Personal VCard/Certificates tab LG See the attached key.jpg to see what it is supposed to look like (Top LG entry) I do not have those keys, I have the icon behind those keys, but not the key superimposed on it. see snap4.jpg (vCard), and snap3.jpg(address entry) p The tutorial is for what Operating System--Win2k? LG Worked flawlessly for me under Win98SE p none of the pictures in those boxes match my system. LG To be honest, I didn't even really look at the pics, just followed the LG text. p They mention Advanced Radio Buttons in MSIE. Where? LG Tools/Internet Options/Content tab. Middle right side. There is NO TOOLS PERIOD. There is VIEW | Internet Options | snap.jpg Three buttons like I said. Personal; Authorities; Publishers. Click on Personal and snap1.jpg is what you get. p There Are only THREE Buttons in MSIE ( I stated this earlier one of How else can I explain by not having a picture. p the three is PERSONAL Certificates) LG On the above mentioned tab, I've got five buttons. LG Import, Export, Remove, Advanced, and View See Attached snap1.jpg I also would like to note that I had been asked to send my KEY to RIT, and then revoke my key, however as you can see there is NO POSSIBLE WAY FOR ME TO REMOVE CERTIFICATES. Snap1.jpg So, to keep testing, I will have a box full of indistinguishable revoked Certificates. Right now there are only two and I have the footprint of the good one. p PFX, .P12 Blah - WHAT IS THE *EXACT NAME* THAT THE EXPORTED p FROM MSIE4 FILE SHOULD BE CALLED ANYWAY? LG Mine saved to a .pfx Yeah, i typed in pfx, and it saved to pfx.pfx p CAN I REMOVE IE4. EVER? LG Darn good question. Seems like so much web stuff relies on IE LG nowadays. I meant in regards to this certificate thing, I have no need for IE other than this certificate deal. I do no use software that requires IE. I just don't use it period. p Is there just No possible way to import these Certificates on a p Windows 98 (original) system with IE4? LG Now, here's whereI think your problem lies. You might need to do this LG with IE5. I can't prove this, unless someone else has IE4 installed, LG but the tutorial matched my IE5 stuff under Win98SE just fine. Man, that's a 70MB download isn't it? p Apparently these keys are not Free either! Why suggest we get them if p they are not free? LG The certificate I got from Thawte is free, and I've gotten multiple LG ones for multiple addresses. Maybe you mean the server certificates. LG That I don't know about. did you Try to get a certificate for Tiny Web like Max suggested I do? I got the certificate. It is only good for 21 days. A trial. p Somewhere(earlier on) I heard that you had to import the keys into p the PGP Key Manager... Where did that thread go? Why would we p want to do that? (Actually I was able to get a "Webserver p Certificate" Imported into the PGP Key Manager, and then there was p an error when connecting to MIT and importing Thawte's Pgp Keys. ( p a whole lot of keys there are I might add! ) I deleted this key. p Should I Have? It said something was wrong, I don't want something p wrong in my PGP Key's do I? LG Yes, I did import my certificate into PGP keys. It went as expected, LG and serves as a signing of that key. The more signers you have for a LG PGP key, the more likely it will be trusted by someone who doesn't LG personally know you. Was this the Private Certificate pfx.pfx ? -- ... If your a swinger, then you need The Bat! --- The Bat! 1.45 Beta/11+98Lite+ROM II+IE4+Beta/+9/+10/+11 -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org snap.jpg snap1.jpg snap3.jpg snap4.jpg
Re[6]: no valid signing certificates! What's up?!?!
Aye rob!
On Thursday, July 20, 2000 at 07:14:18 GMT GMT (which was 12:14 AM where you think
I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:
Is there ever going to be a way, to install a certificate without
having to install a web server or Microsoft Internet Explorer or some
other intrusive or utterly complex piece of software
rgdn i read in a previous post that you used Navigator ; what's wrong with that ??
rgdn was a piece of cake with Nav. 4.72 ...
It won{t log on the website.
Still have that keyboard problem -btw..
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although I detect it{s changing maybe] heh heh
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Keyboard problems + TB
Okay, the keyboard problem is fixed with a normal shutdown and restart of the bat. That was really weird though. -- ... I never play Dungeons and Dragons without The Bat! --- The Bat! 1.45 Beta/11 + 98Lite + Revenge of Mozilla II -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: no valid signing certificates! What's up?!?!
Aye Curtis! On Tuesday, July 18, 2000 at 05:16:15 GMT -0500 (which was 3:16 AM where you think I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: C On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 00:49:46 -0700, phil wrote: p I try going to ACCOUNT |PROPERTIES |GENERAL |edit VCF card | p Certificates | IMPORT and I point that puppy to the Thawrt.txt (I p just showed you above) p I get a message: p (the file i:\z\desktop\Thawrt.txt is either corrupt or not a valid p certificate file. Certificate import failed.) C Yes it would because you need to obtain the browser based C certificate from thawte. Install it in the browser and then export it C using the browser. Now, import the exported key with TB! I have a browser based certificate for netscape 3.01! How do you export that? Don't tell me install IE. That isn't an option. -- ... How much do they want for that other email program? Tell em they're Dreamin! TheBat 2.0!! OWNS --- The Bat! 1.45 Beta/9 + 98Lite + Revenge of Mozilla II -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Format
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greetings Allie! On Friday, May 26, 2000 at 11:16:56 GMT -0500 (which was 9:16 AM where you think I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] yelped out about: AM I personally use a text cleaning application, "Text Cleanup", AM that I use in conjunction with my news reader. This makes the space AM between sentences /optional/. I personally prefer only one space, so if AM anything is to be done, I hope that it is made optional because it's not AM necessarily something to be 'fixed'. There are some, like myself, who AM appreciate this feature as is. AM Interestingly, the auto-format feature doesn't interfere with AM the spacing between sentences. :-/ Rodger that. well this is why I asked. Cause, I don't know. My english isn't berfect either. G - -- - --- The Bat! 1.42f + 98Lite + Revenge of Mozilla II ... Once upon a time there was a baby bat, but it grew and grew and grew and grew with success! * Origin: Private Gateway to Outer-Space (88:888/8) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 5.5.3i iQA/AwUBOS6kY4+UEn6F/fguEQJsqwCgyqOU/nfcEPavYdfFNlKFNRSjQWQAoKNU B5tqs6ZoYFof4OwxsqtUBl6W =uc2N -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[4]: TheBat! under linux
Aye Thomas! On PM, May 26, 2000 at 20:19:40 GMT +0200 (which was 11:19 AM where you think I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: TJ Hi Phil, Hmm, okay, I got TB! running under Linux too now. I too had to finagle the paths. But it *is* running! unfortunately, Still got some problems. The create new message problem you stated. (ill try again with that switch you suggested. Right now Im booting back and forth to test) The other problem is I couldn't edit the account settings to change the path[s] to the mail folders. (I have 0 messages in ALL accounts and all folders, when there should be about 4500 messages) It Said it was under a user lock. And gave some number. TJ Hmm. I was able to access all my mail just like under windows. TJ Which version of TheBat did you try to run? I also have a few errors with some of the graphics (three of the resource icons specifically), the hotkeys. But DAMN! it *IS* running! Woo! H! heh heh heh! Right on! I'll have to get on winehq and get the latest build (right now their server isn't responding for me. None of the www.winhq.* works at the moment.) I'll do some more testing on this too.. Again, would anyone be willing to post their wine.conf I had none at all in my distro. I had to do a ftpsearch for one and edit it, which at least got me running. TJ there ya go :-) TJ cheers, Thomas. I think I got it working except I can't see anything at all, there is something wrong with the fonts, however this message was written with thebat under linux. -- ... Cannot open file "I:\MAIL\0\TheBat\tb.txt" --- The Bat! 1.44 + 98Lite + Revenge of Mozilla II -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[4]: TheBat! under linux
Aye Thomas! On Friday, May 26, 2000 at 20:19:40 GMT +0200 (which was 11:19 AM where you think I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: TJ Hmm. I was able to access all my mail just like under windows. TJ Which version of TheBat did you try to run? The bat v1.44, Linux Mandrake 7.0 (air), wine version 991212. (logged on as root for the moment... ) I was finally able to send a message, but I can't physically see what I was typing. And I have to put it in the outbox, then send "queued mail" I tried changing the Language, and the character sets but nothing helped. It's also interesting to note that the cookies file failed because the "\" is replaced with "/" in linux, So I made another account, and pointed it to the same folder, and I *can* access all the mail (the headers at least.) I think I still have a path problem. My windows isn't on C: and it isn't in \windows and the other thing is my bat isn't in \The Bat either, it's under \mail\0\thebat and then my accounts aren't where they are supposed to be either, they are under \mail\account name LOL so maybe it's time to backup and reinstall the bat from a stock distro. With the stock paths. However, reinstalling windows on another drive like C: isn't an option. (got to much tied up in that and I don't want to waste 3 days.) I can't see what is actually typed in the messages. I can't get a black text and a white background working correctly, maybe it's white on white, except I can see the "" quotes and all 1st letters on the beginning of each line, so I am hesitant to believe that it may be a white on white problem just yet . Also, I can't save the new account I created to access the mail with. So each time That I test this out, I have to create a new account. (not a big problem though) I also noticed that if I queue some text, like say when your going to cut n paste, I can read one letter at a time inside the message. It's difficult, but possible to read a message this way. Also I get big time lockups on certain messages. Where wine or the bat or something stops responding altogether, but a CTRL-C in the Terminal solves that problem. It's a slightly nasty problem. It's probably hard for folks to visualize what Im saying about the invisible text, but it looks like this (pretend this is a message your reading): - The Message Example - H t c i - - The Message Example - See there is nothing in the message, except the first character on the beginning of each new line. You can imagine typing a message without seeing what you type. That's how I sent that other message. It did send though, that's a good thing! BUT.. I will say this, it's a start! Since I couldn't get this far at all before. It definitely shows sign's of hope. And my next hump is to try to figure out why there is no text (I mean only some) showing. BTW- I am using the 3dFX server for my 3DFX Voodoo 3 2000 card, maybe that has something to do with it. thanks for the help, I think that wine.conf I had downloaded was doing just the same, but I went ahead and edited yours and replaced my /.winerc and /etc/wine.conf with the new edited ones. (since you got yours with the latest distro) I still can't connect to that damn www.winehq.com server.. -- ... It's amazing how much stress you can relieve with The Bat! and a glass of Wadka! --- The Bat! 1.44 + 98Lite + Revenge of Mozilla II -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: 1.42 Beta/18 is now available
Greetings Allie! On Tuesday, April 18, 2000 at 11:33:58 GMT -0500 (which was 9:33 AM where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: AM On Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:27:45 -0700, phil wrote: Whoops.. Maybe want to re-up that to the server? AM Many of us have successfully retrieved the file. Try again. It's gotta be because Stef re-up'ed the file. It's cool, I can wait... -- ... Mark McGwire knows how to use The Bat! --- The Bat! 1.42 Beta/17 + 98Lite + Revenge of Mozilla II * Origin: TBNG-RO (99:16/1) -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[4]: 1.42 Beta/18 is now available
Greetings ron! On Tuesday, April 18, 2000 at 12:53:25 GMT -0500 (which was 10:53 AM where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: rwn On Tuesday, April 18, 2000, Stefan Tanurkov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AM I went to confirm this problem and lost my flag column in the process. :-) I am sorry for the mess, I have just replaced the file on the FTP with this problem fixed. Hopefully, it would not be a big problem... rwn The flags are back! Thanks for the quick fix, Stefan. We couldn't have a better programmer, I don't think. -- ... No Pid's that we don't need The Bat! is. ah A Bad as$ need! --- The Bat! 1.42 Beta/17 + 98Lite + Revenge of Mozilla II * Origin: TBNG-RO (99:16/1) -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Tearline problem -- enter when using PGP maybe?
PS %quotes="%SETPATTREGEXP=""(?is)(.*^-BEGIN PGP SIG
PS NED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(- --\s*\n|_{40,}\s*\n|-BE
PS GIN PGP SIGNATURE)|\z)""%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=""%text""%SUBPATT=""3"""
PS Enjoy!
Thanks peter--(yet again) This new regexp wipes out NETZERO
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Re[2]: Tearline problem -- enter when using PGP maybe?
CS I have not been using %SIGNCOMPLETE because I could never get it
CS to work in any beta I have tryied (1.40 up). I would appreciate
CS any input as to how to get this to work in my templates on list or
CS privately.
CS I manually sign with Hotkeys Crtl+Shift+S.
snip ... snip
CS Below is my current reply template:
%quotes="%SETPATTREGEXP=""(?is)(.*^-BEGIN PGP
SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(- --\s*\n|_{40,}\s*\n|-BEGIN PGP
SIGNATURE)|\z)""%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=""%text""%SUBPATT=""3"""
%Cursor
%FROMNAME
--
The Bat! - automatic mail servant of %FROMNAME.
The BAT! ver. %THEBATVERSION
%WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION build
%WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION
%PUT="D:\Program Files\The Bat!\MAIL\chuckoss\signature.txt"
%SIGNCOMPLETE
^^^
Just put %SIGNCOMPLETE after \signature.txt" But remember It will PGP
sign every message after that.
You can always use Privacy | Sign When completed to counter signing
the current message. ie. those messages you don't want to sign.
(I Hope format doesn't get mashed on the way back, other wise I'll be
looking pretty dumb about now.)
CS I have tried the quotes macros shown in this thread but have yet to
CS get them to show any results.
The quote macros are for quoting (without the PGP added material), to
an existing message that has been pgp signed, The %SIGNCOMPLETE
command is a separate command to sign using pgp when you hit send.
I think, you probably already understand. But since you asked, I
decided to reply to you on the list (I don't see your personal email)
Now that I have several examples to play with I may start
experimenting with REGEXP a little bit myself. Knowing only Basic,
it's pretty cryptic looking to me, but I bet I can fight my way
through learning some of it, since Peter, and others have provided
several different examples. Just looking at the help files alone I
got frustrated and decided to just ask Peter for a macro.
I hope there will be more examples posted one day in the future. If I
can change one letter in an example and See results that helps me
learn the language. If it helps me, I know it's helping someone else
out there.
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Re[2]: missing icons
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Thomas, Tuesday, April 11, 2000, 11:23:26 PM, you wrote: TF Hello phil, TF On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:58:42 -0700GMT (12/04/2000, 12:58 +0800GMT), TF phil wrote: p Hello %TOFName, p %Cursor p - -- TF TF This should be dash-dash-space-return in order to work. Man, whoa, something disturbed that for me. I knew about the - -- enter rule because before I ran into problems with the font I was using, and someone specifically told me this. But sure enough, when I checked it just now something has removed the enter part.. Thanks. p Best regards, p %FromFName p http://members.xoom.com/zsysopz/ p We are PROUD to Run The Bat! %THEBATVERSION p mailto:%FromAddr p %SIGNCOMPLETE TF ^^^ TF It is OK if you take this out for the TB mailing lists. p this is what's in my template, wanna fix it? TF Just a suggestion. It is up to you, really. ;-) Yeah, well, thanks, I am not sure why it changed on me, I have, been using the signature on all messages, it shows I am who I say I am, and nobody can sit there and spoof my messages without getting caught. - -- surf to http://members.xoom.com/zsysopz We are PROUD to Run The Bat! 1.42 Beta/16 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 5.5.3i iQA/AwUBOPQmGY+UEn6F/fguEQKJkgCg06UMz2EZYiz2CD/tip/zTHyyYc0AoPKv PJVgdm7kGFnb7SH1aqjcU2kj =NuMe -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: missing icons
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Thomas, Wednesday, April 12, 2000, 12:39:16 AM, you wrote: TF Hello phil, TF On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 00:30:33 -0700GMT (12/04/2000, 15:30 +0800GMT), TF phil wrote: p - -- TF TF This should be dash-dash-space-return in order to work. p Man, whoa, something disturbed that for me. I knew about the p - -- enter rule because before I ran into problems with the font I was TF Actually it's "-- /n" (without quotes), not "- -- /n". Two dashes, one TF blank, and then enter. ;-) That's what I've got in there, except something is changing it. PGP I think. -- enter - -- surf to http://members.xoom.com/zsysopz We are PROUD to Run The Bat! 1.42 Beta/16 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 5.5.3i iQA/AwUBOPQrPY+UEn6F/fguEQIZsgCg2xwl/h+6QZooqpGhUYYNgxllDzkAoIrz Y58ued9atbFWyjmmkyuFLfsz =Vi76 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Tearline problem -- enter when using PGP maybe?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- MDP This is *definitely* the problem with tear-lines. Okay, it's gone. Removed even. I hate it when I spend time thinking out how I want the template / tearlines and little jingles, then someone comes along and says it's screwed up. Then I start removing whatever the hell it is they want out and IMO the message looks like crap. I never remember EVER having so many problems with my tearlines in any ML any fidonet echo, any netmail in any network, than both of thebat Maillist's Chuck Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Online Structural Services) MDP (also uses PGP signing) correct, and the only reason nobody tell's him it's screwed up, is Take a look at his breaks, the same problem. Now why would I want to remove pgp, which proves I am who I say I am? I in fact can test, and tell you for sure that Chuck Smith's message comes from Chuck Smith. MDP Which is a fair enough point. Okay. Thanks, I know I'm not crazy. If you say it's wasting bandwidth, you got to be kidding me. it's only adding a few lines, that one day might eliminate confusion. Besides I used to run a bbs for several years, and the bandwidth argument doesn't cut it these days. MDP Not at the level of a few lines of signature, for sure, but at other MDP levels - like sending GIFs and JPGs and (spit, spit) HTML mail g. MDP Don't forget that bandwidth is *always* an issue where calls are MDP charged per-minute - which is almost everywhere but the US. I'd have to disagree, once in awhile a jpg snapshot of a desktop can be worth thousands of words. But, I always try to optimize the picture down from the original bloated size before I let it rip. I will in fact remove them if everyone wants me to, but I'll tell you what, let's see---is there a potential bug here first? MDP No bug - no problem. The bug is probably in PGP ISFA it is disrupting MDP the tear-line. Well, how was that message without the -- enter ? Did it conform to everyone? I really need an answer to this. Did it screw up anyone's setup? filters? macros? Tom? This very message has it removed altogether. I wonder if that will cause it's own set of problems. Do let me know. MDP No problems for me - I just cut the bits I don't want to quote. :-) That isn't what I was asking. I asked about that specific last message that had the -- enter removed. -- 1.42 Beta/16 -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Tearline problem -- enter when using PGP maybe?
TB There is a way to get round it however. Highlight the main text of TB your message, not your signature, and then just sign the block as I TB have done here. That preserves the integrity of the delimiter. Right, I am aware of that method. It's in effect editing twice. Bluewave used to shell similar to that. However, since there exists a macro In TB's Templates setup menu that can be selected, I selected it. therefore, my point is that it shouldn't be bothering anyone. As you can see I have totally nuked my templates again. YOUR WELCOME DAMNIT! -- 1.42 Beta/16 -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: SOT: W2000 Pro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 DH So why forced to 192.168.0.1? It's one of the 63,000 bugs--I mean *features* in w2k. microsoft wants you to be a class C network ;o) DH Running TheBat! 1.41 Beta/3 [2E7F60DA] on DH Windows NT v4 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 Why not migrate back to ^ that? BTW- has anyone got TheBat to run under wine in Linux? - -- surf to http://members.xoom.com/zsysopz We are PROUD to Run The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 Under 98Lite + ROM II -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 5.5.3i iQA/AwUBOKs4IY+UEn6F/fguEQICngCgpUpJCvZaMBo2zgG9WUfG7/ku4qIAn2Ar /J0lL5+u3YAoDaOswwPTPm9p =iXqp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[6]: Fwd: Re: Re[2]: Priority Level - TOTEM TECHNOLOGY???
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 t Phil, acc to my server I had a bad email and they killed it. t 1. however they are still coming in, all the same, and yes I know it t isnt you doing it or the mailing list. id's are identical. t 2. any ideas from anyone why I should get ONE email repeated all over t would be welcome so I can get rid of it. t 3. I havent seen any email on the betalist for 2 days, did I miss t something? t sorry, getting 60 - 100 times or more per day this same email is t damned frustrating! (g) Man. I haven't got a clue. if it was me, I'd back up my "mail" subdir and reinstall "the bat!" I know it isn't fun recreating all the mail folders. But, that's about my only advise. The only other way I know to delete the extra mail is using the "Dispatch mail on server" switch. and then tag an delete the messages you do not want. That won't stop the mail from going to the server though. FYI BTW- I haven't even been here for two days. (had to go repair someone's computer) Saturday morning was the last time I was online until now. - - -- surf to http://members.xoom.com/zsysopz We are PROUD to Run The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 5.5.3i iQA/AwUBOKgz1o+UEn6F/fguEQI7wgCg5/mr8UJTmKc1pyQEWk2xl5FXxtMAoPFq fKMe2MVL7CQ8McXxTRStutIN =/tNo - -END PGP SIGNATURE- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 5.5.3i iQA/AwUBOKgz5Y+UEn6F/fguEQKwrwCfZuWrC69Sh+/MNuKjX6v/6xFmZ48Anj2f /t2dNIQjnZPGTii36ULwe8kX =D+6p -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Fwd: serv.totem.com.tw relay check
This is a forwarded message From: Spade relay check [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, February 09, 2000, 10:58:19 PM Subject: serv.totem.com.tw relay check ===8==Original message text=== Received: from serv.totem.com.tw [203.70.154.33] by osbtown.com [207.159.57.12] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.8.5.0.R) for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 01:03:50 -0800 Received: from serv.totem.com.tw ([207.159.57.167]) by serv.totem.com.tw (8.9.1/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA00650 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:58:19 +0800 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:58:19 +0800 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Spade relay check) Subject: serv.totem.com.tw relay check X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===8===End of original message text=== -- Best regards, philmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Priority Level
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 AM On Wed, 9 Feb 2000 07:48:16 +0900, Leif Gregory wrote: Agreed, but I have been using TB as my daily planner from the get-go. I've got a parked message in my outbox that I jot down things to do, e-mail addresses, URLs etc. I use TB every single day, so instead of wasting space by loading some PIM (or using some bloatware app that has built in PIM), I see the to-do message every time I open TB. AM hehehehe. A plain text file sitting on the desktop perhaps, AM instead of a parked message?? A really nice one of those is http://members.xoom.com/lsthemes/CrankPadv75.zip CrankPad is a fully-featured transparent notepad replacement for win9x/NT. I particularly like the fact that you can see thru it to your browser. It could be useful to *some* people. - -- surf to http://members.xoom.com/zsysopz We are PROUD to Run The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 5.5.3i iQA/AwUBOKFfqo+UEn6F/fguEQIagACgusx9RsJDuKqqXGiJg1Is+11D6VUAoIym zBDx9fGQNzJsyAIFHwENfd78 =nc1L -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
amazing
To: this Alex Person on [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is amazing how you argue this point to the grave - yet don't even use the bat? How come I wonder? Who are you exactly? What would be your true motivation. Mr SPAM hater? I dont think so there are plenty of other resources than you surely. Personally I don't like spam either. But, until every admin puts forth and actively participates in a security program this is not a reality. I see you have a nice website about Math. If your into math, why you so interested in thebat I wonder? I see you into nearly every single message. Are you co-author of thebat? Have you purchased a copy? I mean really man. Why? I really need to know. Just paraphrase why your so interested in EVERY aspect of it, I'll shut up. Sorry, Back to the war-story here I would like to have multi-SMTP servers. And maybe I did BUY thebat? So now actually your vote has been canceled by my opposition to yours. Why would I wish to use Mercury after I paid 40 bucks for thebat? heh heh really. I don't see the reasoning. If this were the case I would use a PM + mercury setup and press on with life. You come here and say, "you shouldn't do that." where do you get off? If the admin cares about the server logs, if they really cared about an "open server" exploit, they would patch it, install sendmail or something. who cares about a blacklist. That isn't the point either. It sounds like you don't want free speech, privacy etc. That's the message I get daily from your suggestions. Maybe someone wants that OPEN server to send anonymail legit. With your logic that can't happen. The bat is a non-problem, the OPEN SERVER IS!!! (if the admin considers that a problem) Yeah, I would LOVE to see multi SMPT's. I respect your right to disagree. === Quoted for no reason I guess. Well maybe.. === Because there is no sense in doing so; because it means that the server logs will get overfilled with "connection unsuccessful" entries -- and your postmaster won't be grateful to you for all that crap _you_ generated; because it means that The Bat! will eventually become the *favourite* tool of _spammers_, which is the worst advertisement one can only think of; finally because the fact that your open relay SMTP server, provided that it's not blacklisted yet, will _get_blacklisted_ in a short time, and you'll loss this functionality anyhow. Enough? If that's not enough, I'll pretend to be Steve Lamb and say "Do Not Do It! It's against the way it is _supposed_ to work!" There exist tools that *do it in the _right_ way*! Goto www.let.rug.nl/pegasus. Download Mercury/32 (it's free). Install and setup it the way _you_ wish. Set TB up to use Mercury as your SMTP server. That's _all_. What can be more simple? And let's finally put the end to this thread here. Just remember: the feature you wish to get is _WRONG_. Do Not Do It! SY, Alex === ENd Quoted For No ReaZon ---! DO it Do it add the SMTP! regards pgp mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.xoom.com/zsysopz/pictures.htm TheBat Version 1.41 Beta/1 (awesome Stefan! keep it up) -- THINGS LEARNED IN THE SCHOOL OF MATH: I wanted a math professor to tell me something to help get a job done. In reality I got the job FINISHED cause, I Used the Casio instead. Just say, "Analog OWNS you." ;o) -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
