Re: 1.63 beta 6
ST For those times, just select all entries, exclude those you don't need and use the button Yes .. i could use alt-a or select the top then shift select bottom then then find the ones i dont want. OR i could click through the list one at a time skipping the ones i dont want .. But why was this changed? And will it be fixed (put back to the way it has worked for years). Is this a necessary change so we can have a email program that does schedualling .. Instead of reporting problems in betas i guess i should just learn to use it the way it is thanks for the reply _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Current beta is 1.63b6 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 1.63 Beta/6
Hello Stefan, On Friday, February 7, 2003 at 21:31:31 -0500, you wrote concerning '1.63 Beta/6': ... [+] A very basic HTML editor A few bugs / missing features: 1. If I enable the HTML-editor (HTML only or HTML/Plain text) and press put the message in the Outbox, it puts the message in the Outbox and asks me if I want to save the message. 2. If I then double click on the message to edit some of it, I have to choose the editor again. 3. If I choose the HTML-editor again and put the message in the Outbox, I see *two* message.html parts. -- Best regards, David ** If at first you don't succeed, call it v1.0! ** [TB! 1.63 Beta/6] [Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3] [Running on a Celeron 800@1176 256 Mb RAM] Current beta is 1.63b6 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 1.63 Beta/6
Hi, Bruno Fernandes wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : And here's a feature request: Allow the pull-down history in the FROM header item to list the various from addresses I have defined for my different folders. Currently it will only list the ONE that is being used for the current folder. You may chose your identity from all your accounts by right-clicking in the bottom right part of the editor window where your current account name is displayed. If you have different folder identities than accounts you may consider creating dummy accounts with the addresses you need. Regards, Markus -- Every nonzero finite dimensional inner product space has an orthonormal basis. It makes sense, when you don't think about it. Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 Current beta is 1.63b4 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 1.63 Beta/6
Hi, Oleg Titov (quoting Spike) wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : S Perhaps a _WARNING_ when the size of a message folder approaches S the limit of the O/S file size. +2 vote for this Count me in! I've also lost some mail because compression on shutdown kicked it and didn't check if there was enough disk space. I consider this a major bug. Regards, Markus -- Heisenberg may have been here . . . Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 Current beta is 1.63b4 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
HTML editor bugs (was: 1.63 Beta/6)
Hello Stefan, Friday, February 7, 2003, you wrote to me: ST [+] A very basic HTML editor 1. There is a problem with code pages information during copy/paste operations. For example, if I type something in Russian, copy it in clipboard and then paste it back, all I get is a string of question marks. (See the attachment). (WinXP/SP1) 2. Esc button doesn't close the editor window if HTML editor is chosen. -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ Current beta is 1.63b4 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
HTML editor bugs (was: 1.63 Beta/6)
Hello Stefan, Friday, February 7, 2003, you wrote to me: ST [+] A very basic HTML editor 1. There is a problem with code pages information during copy/paste operations under WinXP/SP1. For example, if I type something in Russian, copy it in clipboard and then paste it back, all I get is a string of question marks. (See the attachment, which I forgot to send first time). 2. Esc button doesn't close the editor window if HTML editor is chosen. -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ attachment: bug.png Current beta is 1.63b4 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: 1.63 Beta/6
Hello Stefan, 07.02.2003, you wrote: ST Dear Michael, MS Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! MS Thank you, Stefan!!! :))) ST You should thank Diman for this :-) And Max and Lesh :) Best regards, Dimanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 1.63b4 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 1.63 Beta/6 - Schedular
Hello Stefan Scheduler is a bit greyish, any fresh (not used :-) ideas are welcome - I hope most people will get the idea of it. Looks interesting.. the requirement that first comes to mind is that it must understand incoming messages from Outlook users, and vCal users (sadly different) so that information is populated automatically. regards, Graham Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/6 under Windows XP 5.1 (Build 2600, ) -- Notice: This e-mail message, together with any attachments, contains information of Merck Co., Inc. (Whitehouse Station, New Jersey, USA) that may be confidential, proprietary copyrighted and/or legally privileged, and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named in this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please immediately return this by e-mail and then delete it. == Current beta is 1.63b4 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 1.63 Beta/6
Friday, 2/7/2003, 10:37 AM Hi James, On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, at 12:54:42 [GMT -0500] (which was 9:54 AM where I live) you wrote about: '1.63 Beta/6' JS I'd invite any interested to gather at TBOT to compile some of JS Spike's carefully constructed sentences into a list of what we JS as loyal users do and don't expect of TB's html implementation. JS Simply declaring refusal will do nothing toward the end results JS we all seek -- a solid, non default, safe implementation of html JS composition capabilities within TB if there is to be one at all. I was really hoping that the HTML bloat, (Yes it is bloat), would not show up until version 2. It would have been nice to have version 1 continue without the bloat for us Purists. -- Your communication is greatly appreciated, Paul Calling me wrong does not make you right. Powered by The Bat! v1.63 Beta/5 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 1.63b4 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
1.63 Beta/6 (HTML) Problem with Greek character set
Being always a sucker for beta versions, I downloaded 1.63 Beta/6. What I discovered with the HTML formatting is that one cannot write accented Greek letters. The accent character, ' does not get typed over the vowel concerned whereas it does appear properly in non HTML formatted messages e.g. ,. Another point that could be mentioned is the fact that the number of available fonts is rather limited. -- Best regards, Costas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 1.63b4 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: 1.63 Beta/6
Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED], On or about Friday, February 7, 2003, 1:48:33 PM, in a fit of humor, Name4Anand wrote: S Have a bit of consideration for those of us who don't have S 1st rate internet access! Nen At least you can get 64K or 256K access. I'm in a major Nen suburban area in the United States and can get no more the Nen 24Kbps dialup. :( My parents (in urban NC) get no better than 19,200bps. That is DOUBLE what the phone company will guarantee! The power company has installed high voltage lines in close proximity to phone lines. Result - 45-62db of 60Hz hum on the average phone line in the area!! No one will accept responsibility. Nen I hate receiving html email, but many of the people who Nen email me the most don't even comprehend the difference. I take extreme pains to educate them! That is my job as a computer educator! Nen I have no use for an html editor in TB, but I do agree that Nen its addition as an option will help sell copies so I suppose Nen it is a good thing. Can't agree here, as it will 'pollute' the established 'pool' of educated TB! users. I giuess we will have to re-educate them as well, but harder to do if the program attempts to cow-tow to the unenlightened. Nen I don't think it is nearly as important Nen as a wrapping option in MicroEd, but that's me. :) ACK Nen Into the What Email Should Be argument, I'll throw the Nen point that books have been around for quite a long time and Nen seem to be doing just fine with normal blackish text on Nen basically white backgrounds. If html made stuff easier to Nen read, someone should tell the printers. ACK Nen (Yes, that was a joke and I know it doesn't really apply.) No, I take it very seriously, as it speaks volumes to the concept of simple and direct for the written word! Most of the HTML messages I get are unreadable with all the background textures and garish color schemes some 'people' choose! -- Warmest tropical regards, Spike A Proctologist is a brain surgeon for politicians! ~~ Using TheBat! v1.61 hamstrung by Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 ~~ Current beta is 1.63b4 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 1.63 Beta/6 (HTML) Problem with Greek character set
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, February 07, 2003, Costas Papadopoulos wrote... Being always a sucker for beta versions, I downloaded 1.63 Beta/6. What I discovered with the HTML formatting is that one cannot write accented Greek letters. The accent character, ' does not get typed over the vowel concerned whereas it does appear properly in non HTML formatted messages e.g. ,. You don't seem to be able to use the ALT num combination to generate them, but you can open charmap, and copy from there, at least some of them anyway. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPkQGRiuD6BT4/R9zEQJQkgCfXQUm4axw5E2mJX52TlLXlW7w7IgAoPbK SiebTlLAESfEXc7atPssEeIE =fTyh -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 1.63b4 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
1.63 Beta/6 Scheduler: Some Thoughts
Hey guys, Here are some thoughts I have on the new scheduler. First, I think this is a great feature, something I've been longing for for quite some time, and something that would help me sell my Outlook using friends on the bat! just a little bit more (getting IMAP to work would be the final clincher ;-)). Anyway, here is a list of criticisms (good and bad): o SmartBat and Scheduler on the same pane, why not have a single menu item? Presumably any future add-ons could go in this pane, so why keep creating new menu items for it? o Make these items optionally installable, so those concerned about bloatware, or who simply don't use these options won't need to have them. o Have a button or something for adding a task. It's a bit awkward to have to right-click or press the Ins key. o Choosing This Week - Important whites out the current week on the calendar on my system. o Allow the tasks to be viewed by time of day (a la Outlook and other PIMs) o What do the copy and paste keys do? What does it even to copy and paste something like that (if a recurring option is already available)? o Make it so when you double-click on a task, it brings up the properties window. o Make it so you can minimize within the bat! -- it's kind of a pain to have to keep reopening it if you're switching between reading messages and the scheduler (or perhaps add a transparency option or something). o I like the actions methods that can be performed when an event occurs. o Very good effort. I'm quite happy with it thus far, even it doesn't seem like it. I'd be interested in hearing what other people's feelings about it. -- Kevin Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 1.63b4 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 1.63 Beta/6
Hello Paul, Saturday, February 8, 2003, 12:16:09 AM, you wrote: PW Friday, 2/7/2003, 10:37 AM PW I was really hoping that the HTML bloat, (Yes it is bloat), would not PW show up until version 2. It would have been nice to have version 1 PW continue without the bloat for us Purists. I was thinking there would be some news on IMAP first rather than an HTML editor actually since I had been told by someone here that IMAP would be a seerious development thing after the 1.53 version. -- Best regards, chinchi Current beta is 1.63b4 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 1.63 Beta/6 (HTML) Problem with Greek character set
Friday, February 7, 2003, 9:17:22 PM, Jonathan Angliss wrote: You don't seem to be able to use the ALT num combination to generate them, but you can open charmap, and copy from there, at least some of them anyway. This is not a viable solution. Every Greek word with more than one syllable must be accented and monosyllable words are the minority of the Greek language. -- George M. Menegakis, System Network Administration Using The BAT! v1.63 Beta/6 on Microsoft Windows XPService Pack 1 v5.1 Build(2600) Current beta is 1.63b4 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 1.63 Beta/6 (HTML) Problem with Greek character set
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, February 07, 2003, George M. Menegakis wrote... You don't seem to be able to use the ALT num combination to generate them, but you can open charmap, and copy from there, at least some of them anyway. This is not a viable solution. Every Greek word with more than one syllable must be accented and monosyllable words are the minority of the Greek language. I didn't say it was... I was pointing out that the HTML editor supported the pasting of those characters, but didn't allow the use of the number combinations to generate them. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPkQSpiuD6BT4/R9zEQLaogCgmsI1oYBf3Edog9RnWYJJDLXLR8MAoOdx 5Oq7R4E1faZfq1bgK8CftX8y =rs/G -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 1.63b4 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 1.63 Beta/6
Friday, February 7, 2003, 9:40:30 AM, Gene wrote: The majority of the mail I receive is HTML and not having the ability to properly handle it in BAT is a real problem In what way doesn't TB! properly handle it? I've never had a problem reading an HTML email in TB!. -- Dave Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 1.63b4 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 1.63 Beta/6
Read problem 835 at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view_all_bug_page.php?f_page_number=1 and in addition to that, messages that reference off site images are in the category of some work, some don't. Messages I get from several vendors, new services do not properly display either. Friday, February 7, 2003, 4:19:56 PM, Dave wrote: Friday, February 7, 2003, 9:40:30 AM, Gene wrote: The majority of the mail I receive is HTML and not having the ability to properly handle it in BAT is a real problem In what way doesn't TB! properly handle it? I've never had a problem reading an HTML email in TB!. -- Gene Windows XP [version 5.1.2600] Mail Client: Ritlabs THE BAT 1.63 Beta/6 IBM Retired Marietta, GA 30064-5428 Home Page:http://www.goughfamily.com/home/albums.htm Family Tree: http://www.goughfamily.com/familytree/goughtree.html Professional: http://www.goughfamily.com/resume/software_expert.html Current beta is 1.63b4 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 1.63 Beta/6
Hello Dave, On February 07, 2003, at 1:19 PM, you [DG] wrote (at least in part): The majority of the mail I receive is HTML and not having the ability to properly handle it in BAT is a real problem DG In what way doesn't TB! properly handle it? I've never had a DG problem reading an HTML email in TB!. I have had a problem with hidden text in HTML messages before. This might be a poor example, but you can generate the problem yourself by forwarding an HTML message to yourself and not removing the message.htm attachment. Type some text at the top. Send it. Now go back and look at the message in HTML format and your text will not be seen. If you switch over to text mode you can see your text. I have received mail with this invisible text before and switched over to the default txt view for a while because of the problem. The problem with this bug is it requires checking both the text and HTML version on every message to be sure nothing is missed. Please confirm this test and other examples. -- Best regards, John Thomas Current beta is 1.63b4 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 1.63 Beta/6
Yes, that is one of the more annoying problems. Confirmed. Friday, February 7, 2003, 4:51:03 PM, John wrote: DG In what way doesn't TB! properly handle it? I've never had a DG problem reading an HTML email in TB!. I have had a problem with hidden text in HTML messages before. This might be a poor example, but you can generate the problem yourself by forwarding an HTML message to yourself and not removing the message.htm attachment. Type some text at the top. Send it. Now go back and look at the message in HTML format and your text will not be seen. If you switch over to text mode you can see your text. I have received mail with this invisible text before and switched over to the default txt view for a while because of the problem. The problem with this bug is it requires checking both the text and HTML version on every message to be sure nothing is missed. -- Gene Windows XP [version 5.1.2600] Mail Client: Ritlabs THE BAT 1.63 Beta/6 IBM Retired Marietta, GA 30064-5428 Home Page:http://www.goughfamily.com/home/albums.htm Family Tree: http://www.goughfamily.com/familytree/goughtree.html Professional: http://www.goughfamily.com/resume/software_expert.html Current beta is 1.63b4 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: 1.63 Beta/6
Friday, February 7, 2003, 10:31:55 AM, Spike wrote: A mail package such as TB! which is designed and developed in an abusive ISP market does and *should* give adequate consideration to the fact that 85% of the _world_ population does ~NOT~ have economical internet access. I commend them for this! I won't ask where you got that statistic, but even if it were correct to within 1%, it still doesn't change the fact that a disproportionate amount of the _money_ spent on Internet software comes from that 15% :) Stop looking at access in terms of geography and look at the pool of people already online. The majority of the net's most hard-core users come from that 15%. Target the source of the money. Simple HTML in TB in no way will affect your usage of the program. Why would you give up on TB if you started receiving more HTML mail? What has this ecent addition to the program got to do with how much HTML mail you'll receive? Are you telling me that the majority of mail you receive comes from other Bat users? Even if so, those users are the most likely to not start using HTML. If on the other hand, the majority of mail comes from users of Outlook, Outlook Express and other HTML mailers... Then I suggest that nothing will change. I don't plan on using HTML, but there are plenty of other things I can tell people to cut down on bandwidth. First is your sig. Which takes up enough bytes to cover a number of HTML tags (it's obscenely long and quite ironic when trying to champion against HTML mail). How often do you use it? How about mailers that create enormous numbers of X- headers? How about the elimination of useless text? Teaching people to better express their thoughts. Maybe you can look into receiving your mail pre-compressed in binary form. One quick download and the process offline. HTML mail may go away. But its replacement is going to be an even richer multimedia alternative. I'm just playing devil's advocate here I suppose. But at the same time I know a little bit about market trends and what sells certain types of products. I've also been through quite a number of mail pckages in the past few weeks doing research. :) Bruno -- Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current beta is 1.63b4 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
