Re: Filters working in v5?
Hi Vilius, Another problem with IMAP is that the messages have to actually be kept on the server. DC that's not the problem with IMAP, it's the beauty of IMAP. It's the DC whole point. This also goes into another philosophy: Do we want to keep our own data or do we want to put all our eggs in one cloud whose keepers we have to trust. The mods will slap us soon for off-topic discussions. Even if using POP, how would you know if mail server admin doesn't forward all your messages internally to his account? If you cannot trust your mail provider it doesn't matter if it's IMAP or POP. I think that the matter here was not a leak of information but rather a trust that person on the other side is reliable as a professional should be and won't make mistake while backing up and storing your our data. Such mistakes happens even to the best and as far as I remember couple years ago there was a case of AOL (if I'm not mistaken it was AOL) where they lost main data and back-up data of their customers. Anyway, not looking too far away, an example of TBBETA list shows that such thing can happen even to people that are rather pros. I do keep my back-up on two BD disks about 3 times a year (different brands) and do try to back-up TBK archive to another HDD once a month as well as I do save all sent/received e-mail as EML and my OS auto sync it daily to my third HDD at night). There is one more thing I do, 2-3 times a month I do upload encrypted with 7ZIP EML to European remote computer (used by my parents). Chances that all backups die at the same time (especially the one on remote computer are slim). Why so many HDD backups and a remote backup? Within last 4 years I had 3 HDD that died (two of them almost simultaneously ; all of them were below 2 years old) and I had to buy new ones... If I loose all of this backups I will be the ONLY to blame :) -- Best Regards, RS (FEDARA) The Bat! 5.1.2 Windows 7 x64 Professional (7601 Service Pack 1) POP3 accounts (x5) Sunday, June 17, 2012 (16:28 ; GMT+8) Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Hi Dwight, On Saturday, June 16, 2012, 9:03:10 AM, RS (FEDARA) wrote: Another matter is that you need a server to store so much data and it likely to increase a cost (my e-mail box is about plus 1-1.2GB each year). I just priced a few 2T drives, and the cost per gigabite runs in the neighborhood of US$.05. I think that is about .04 Euro, or .03 pound sterling. What I ment was a cost that your provider would charge you if you re-download all data if you have IMAP (I use it on two computers so would be x2 ; plus my FTP upload/download charge). Anyway, if I keep all of that data at my provider's server it's more than a storage I have there :) As for HDD: Have three 2TB HDD (2xWD, 1xSeagate ; so far all good (about 1.5year ; on 24/7 about halt time of the year)), one 1TB (Seagate) (about 3 years old ; on 24/7 whole year ; OS HDD ; unfortunately started making strange noises last week). As mentioned in previous e-mail: one WD, one Seagate and one Samsung died within last 4 years. -- Best Regards, RS (FEDARA) The Bat! 5.1.2 Windows 7 x64 Professional (7601 Service Pack 1) POP3 accounts (x5) Sunday, June 17, 2012 (16:50 ; GMT+8) Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Sveiki, Saturday, June 16, 2012, 8:05:18 AM, you wrote: Hello Scuddy, Friday, June 15, 2012, 9:49:07 PM, you wrote: TF With IMAP I have only the headers on the computer. I want to open a TF mail and the attachments, it takes ages which I have to spend in front TF of the computer. smn Why not set it to download everything and then you have the best of both worlds. Then I would have IMAP emulating POP... Another problem with IMAP is that the messages have to actually be kept on the server. I keep 14 days worth of mail on the server, older mails are on my laptop and my PC. If I keep more than say, 2,000 or 3,000 messages on the server, download becomes very slow, so I try to limit the number of messages. This is a bug in your IMAP server or in your IMAP client. It doesn't matter how many messages you have on the server. Good written client always downloads only new messages. I have more than 125000 messages and it works in a matter of half a second. -- Best regards, Vilius Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
On Saturday, June 16, 2012, 12:05:18 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Another problem with IMAP is that the messages have to actually be kept on the server. that's not the problem with IMAP, it's the beauty of IMAP. It's the whole point. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 5.1.6.4 on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Hi Dwight, Another problem with IMAP is that the messages have to actually be kept on the server. that's not the problem with IMAP, it's the beauty of IMAP. It's the whole point. Up to the moment your e-mail box is equal to about 8GB and something happens so you need to reinstall your client and re-download 8GB while on POP3 you can keep a local copy and have it reinstalled within an hour or less. Another matter is that you need a server to store so much data and it likely to increase a cost (my e-mail box is about plus 1-1.2GB each year). -- Best Regards, RS (FEDARA) The Bat! 5.1.2 Windows 7 x64 Professional (7601 Service Pack 1) POP3 accounts (x5) Saturday, June 16, 2012 (21:50 ; GMT+8) Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Hello Thomas, Saturday, June 16, 2012, 12:05:18 AM, you wrote: Then I would have IMAP emulating POP... The main reason I use IMAP is the ability to have two computers with the same messages on both, all sent messages on both, all messages I have read marked as read, etc. If you only use one computer then no big deal. Another problem with IMAP is that the messages have to actually be kept on the server. I keep 14 days worth of mail on the server, older mails are on my laptop and my PC. If I keep more than say, 2,000 or 3,000 messages on the server, download becomes very slow, so I try to limit the number of messages. If you require you can set-up an archive account in TB! and move all the old messages there. The archive account can be local. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:skcu...@fastmail.fm Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Hello RS, Saturday, June 16, 2012, 9:03:10 PM, you wrote: Another problem with IMAP is that the messages have to actually be kept on the server. that's not the problem with IMAP, it's the beauty of IMAP. It's the whole point. RF Up to the moment your e-mail box is equal to about 8GB and something RF happens so you need to reinstall your client and re-download 8GB while RF on POP3 you can keep a local copy and have it reinstalled within an RF hour or less. RF Another matter is that you need a server to store so much data and it RF likely to increase a cost (my e-mail box is about plus 1-1.2GB each RF year). Thank you for your support! I thought I was the only one who is happy with POP. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 5.1.6.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Hello Vilius, Saturday, June 16, 2012, 1:26:23 PM, you wrote: Another problem with IMAP is that the messages have to actually be kept on the server. I keep 14 days worth of mail on the server, older mails are on my laptop and my PC. If I keep more than say, 2,000 or 3,000 messages on the server, download becomes very slow, so I try to limit the number of messages. VŠ This is a bug in your IMAP server or in your IMAP client. It doesn't VŠ matter how many messages you have on the server. Good written client VŠ always downloads only new messages. I have more than 125000 messages VŠ and it works in a matter of half a second. Actually, the slow server is a POP server. Checking for new messages takes so long, and that's not only with TB! but also with other clients, and with all servers I have used. If that does not apply to IMAP, it's my mistake. Does IMAP not need to check for new messages? -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 5.1.6.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Hello Dwight, Saturday, June 16, 2012, 6:03:22 PM, you wrote: Another problem with IMAP is that the messages have to actually be kept on the server. DC that's not the problem with IMAP, it's the beauty of IMAP. It's the DC whole point. This also goes into another philosophy: Do we want to keep our own data or do we want to put all our eggs in one cloud whose keepers we have to trust. The mods will slap us soon for off-topic discussions. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 5.1.6.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Hello Stuart, Saturday, June 16, 2012, 9:40:37 PM, you wrote: Then I would have IMAP emulating POP... S The main reason I use IMAP is the ability to have two computers with the same S messages on both, all sent messages on both, all messages I have read marked as S read, etc. If you only use one computer then no big deal. I use three computers and have all messages on each. The beauty is that if one HD crashes, I always have two backups. For outgoing messages, I BCC to myself. Another problem with IMAP is that the messages have to actually be kept on the server. I keep 14 days worth of mail on the server, older mails are on my laptop and my PC. If I keep more than say, 2,000 or 3,000 messages on the server, download becomes very slow, so I try to limit the number of messages. S If you require you can set-up an archive account in TB! and move all the old S messages there. The archive account can be local. I have 13 POP acounts. And one IMAP account because that provider does not provide POP access. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 5.1.6.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Thank you for your support! I thought I was the only one who is happy with POP. I like POP too! :) -- Rick There is no snooze button for a cat that wants breakfast. -Anonymous v5.1.6.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Using all POP accounts I download all images Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Thank you for your support! I thought I was the only one who is happy with POP. I like POP too! :) I dont want to be the moderator here, but the topis does not reflect the subject. -- Vili The Bat 4.1.11.13 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Sveiki, Saturday, June 16, 2012, 6:32:12 PM, you wrote: Hello Vilius, Saturday, June 16, 2012, 1:26:23 PM, you wrote: Another problem with IMAP is that the messages have to actually be kept on the server. I keep 14 days worth of mail on the server, older mails are on my laptop and my PC. If I keep more than say, 2,000 or 3,000 messages on the server, download becomes very slow, so I try to limit the number of messages. VŠ This is a bug in your IMAP server or in your IMAP client. It doesn't VŠ matter how many messages you have on the server. Good written client VŠ always downloads only new messages. I have more than 125000 messages VŠ and it works in a matter of half a second. Actually, the slow server is a POP server. Checking for new messages takes so long, and that's not only with TB! but also with other clients, and with all servers I have used. If that does not apply to IMAP, it's my mistake. Does IMAP not need to check for new messages? It depends how you have configured IMAP client, but usually the client asks the server: What new messages do you have since I last time checked? The server responds with something like this: I have 25 new messages with IDs 150,151,152,etc. The client then downloads message *headers* to list them in the mailbox on the client. After the the user can decide which messages he needs and download manually a whole message. -- Best regards, Vilius Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Sveiki, Saturday, June 16, 2012, 6:34:39 PM, you wrote: Hello Dwight, Saturday, June 16, 2012, 6:03:22 PM, you wrote: Another problem with IMAP is that the messages have to actually be kept on the server. DC that's not the problem with IMAP, it's the beauty of IMAP. It's the DC whole point. This also goes into another philosophy: Do we want to keep our own data or do we want to put all our eggs in one cloud whose keepers we have to trust. The mods will slap us soon for off-topic discussions. Even if using POP, how would you know if mail server admin doesn't forward all your messages internally to his account? If you cannot trust your mail provider it doesn't matter if it's IMAP or POP. -- Best regards, Vilius Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
On Saturday, June 16, 2012, 9:03:10 AM, RS (FEDARA) wrote: Another matter is that you need a server to store so much data and it likely to increase a cost (my e-mail box is about plus 1-1.2GB each year). I just priced a few 2T drives, and the cost per gigabite runs in the neighborhood of US$.05. I think that is about .04 Euro, or .03 pound sterling. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 5.1.6.4 on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
On Saturday, June 16, 2012, 10:34:39 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: This also goes into another philosophy: Do we want to keep our own data or do we want to put all our eggs in one cloud whose keepers we have to trust. To me, this depends on whether I ever leave the house. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 5.1.6.4 on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Hello Dwight, Thursday, May 3, 2012, 8:15:48 PM, you wrote: Just picking this post to throw in another argument for POP you guys may not be aware of: Slow internet connection. DC so is it faster when you download same data with POP than with IMAP? DC And will you be switching to POP for your phone? No. With POP I can set the machine to download the messages and attachments while I go and make a coffee. Or take a shower (in earlier times with even slower internet connections). Then everything is on my computer and I can work fast. With IMAP I have only the headers on the computer. I want to open a mail and the attachments, it takes ages which I have to spend in front of the computer. I used to have a phone that downloaded messages by POP, but that is nonsense. My iPhone uses IMAP and I only download the headers. Mostly I can judge from the subject line whether I need to read the whole mail and then, whether I actually need to download the attachments. This is very different from the normal working environment: The phone is a crutch I use when I am travelling and do not have access to my laptop. For actaul working, POP is best. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 5.1.6.2 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Hello Thomas, A reminder of what Thomas Fernandez typed on: Friday, June 15, 2012 at 21:24:20 GMT +0700 TF With IMAP I have only the headers on the computer. I want to open a TF mail and the attachments, it takes ages which I have to spend in front TF of the computer. Why not set it to download everything and then you have the best of both worlds. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:skcu...@fastmail.fm Using The Bat! v5.1.6.4 On Windows 7 6.1 Build #7601 Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters working in v5?
6/15/2012 8:24 PM Hi Thomas, On 6/15/2012 Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF For actaul working, POP is best. Yup! - -- Paul The Bat! v.4.2.44.2 on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 6.1.7601 No IMAP No OTFE Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Hello Scuddy, Friday, June 15, 2012, 9:49:07 PM, you wrote: TF With IMAP I have only the headers on the computer. I want to open a TF mail and the attachments, it takes ages which I have to spend in front TF of the computer. smn Why not set it to download everything and then you have the best of both worlds. Then I would have IMAP emulating POP... Another problem with IMAP is that the messages have to actually be kept on the server. I keep 14 days worth of mail on the server, older mails are on my laptop and my PC. If I keep more than say, 2,000 or 3,000 messages on the server, download becomes very slow, so I try to limit the number of messages. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 5.1.6.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Hi, With IMAP, only the headers would be downloaded. For each message and especially their attachments, I would have to download while waiting in front of the computer. Theoretically, no: There is the option to have TheBat download everything at once. Granted, the option hasn't worked like it is supposed to for ages. In v5.0.36.2, it still doesn't. -- Mit freundlichem Gruß Alto Speckhardt mailto:a...@treadstone79.de TheBat v5.0.36.2 pgpv708gNK73V.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
On Wednesday, May 2, 2012, 9:28:57 PM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Just picking this post to throw in another argument for POP you guys may not be aware of: Slow internet connection. so is it faster when you download same data with POP than with IMAP? And will you be switching to POP for your phone? -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 5.1.2.2 (BETA) on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: Filters working in v5?
On Wednesday, May 2, 2012, 9:28:57 PM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Just picking this post to throw in another argument for POP you guys may not be aware of: Slow internet connection. so is it faster when you download same data with POP than with IMAP? And will you be switching to POP for your phone? IMAP will be faster because you can specify which parts you can download. Headers, text part, html part, attachments, etc. And then later manually initiate full download only on specific messages. This especially useful for server-side Sent Mail folder, where you only sometimes need a full message. -- Vilius Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5? (Securing your hardware) :)
Hello RS, Rest of the info was correct. It's about 2am here now and it's probably a high time for me to get to bed. Luckily, most of us don't live in China and have to worry about security to that extent. Do you have TrueCrypt set up for hidden volumes and plausible deniability? If you use a VPN to a trusted server in EU/US, aren't you better off leaving you email on the trusted IMAP server so if you do loose your laptop again, your email is easily recoverable? I do appreciate that some unlucky people have a real need to protect themselves from serious danger and to leave as little trace as possible. My TB installation on my laptop is password protected and 'On the Fly' encrypted. Any idea how secure that is? -- Best regards, Tonymailto:t...@parkinch.co.uk The Bat! 5.0.36.2 Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5? (Securing your hardware) :)
Hi Tony, TO Luckily, most of us don't live in China and have to worry about TO security to that extent. Do you have TrueCrypt set up for hidden TO volumes and plausible deniability? Only a small one for most important files (ex: passwords and user names file) but I made it rather as a test. There was a case of Brasilian banker that encrypted his HDD with TC (AES only) ; when police confiscated HDD they tried to decrypt it (with FBI help) for 18 month and failed. On my HDD (apart of OS) you have triple encryption on any container/partition with a keyfile so it's rather unbreakable within reasonable time. TC for me is rather to protect me when laptop is lost than to try to hide data from police (no matter if I think they have right to spy on us all the time ; ex: Google Drive, Dropbox, TuneIn, VoIP connection software on my Android phone and many more are already blocked in China because police can't control moved data). It's one of the reasons why apart of protecting my data against ordinary theft I do try to protect my privacy :) IMO hidden volume can be detected in the container even if you cooperate with police - there will be a size difference of data copied to a container and container size (unless I'm mistaken here). IMO, much better to claim plausible deniability is encrypting a raw clusters on the HDD (ex: external). In that way data on such HDD looks like a rubbish without any structure nor readable header to see what's there unless you know the password or a keyfile. Each time you connect such HDD to your system Windows is reporting unformatted drive and asks to format it. As for AES hardware encrypted USB it's possible that you might not know the password if ie. your kid for instance changed it long time ago :) Life is life ;P TO If you use a VPN to a trusted server in EU/US, aren't you better TO off leaving you email on the trusted IMAP server so if you do TO loose your laptop again, your email is easily recoverable? First is the size (over 6GB database), second is that I can do the same with TBK archive copied in TC container and burnt on DL DVD. Actually I have all e-mails doubled because every e-mail I sent and receive is saved on HDD as EML and I do make copies of it. I do burn on DVD TC containers so even if somebody gets it they can't read it. Last thing is that I do not have much trust in IMAP and leaving your data on some server ; even big companies lost customers data due to mistakes - you can call me old fashioned here but if it's lost I can only blame myself :) I do appreciate that some unlucky people have a real need to protect themselves from serious danger and to leave as little trace as possible. My TB installation on my laptop is password protected and 'On the Fly' encrypted. Any idea how secure that is? Sorry, I don't know. I would love to know what encryption is used by Ritlab. As for now I use non-encrypted TB! installed on separated TC container and it works good for me. I used on-fly-encrypted version first I installed TB! but had to switch to none-encrypted due to some problems I had with it (don't remember now what it was ; reported it on BugTraq but it's gone now). Tried to use Voyager that is on-fly-encrypted on my 32GB USB but it didn't work good. I mean here that Voyager worked good but sync to a my desktop failed 3 times in a raw so I just gave it up. At the moment I just use TBK to move it between laptop-desktop if I need to travel. -- Best Regards, RS (FEDARA) The Bat! 5.1.2 Windows 7 x64 Professional (7601 Service Pack 1) POP3 accounts (x5) Wednesday, May 2, 2012 (19:08 ; GMT+8) Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters working in v5? (Securing your hardware) :)
5/2/2012 3:53 PM Hi RS, On 5/2/2012 RS (FEDARA) wrote: RF Last thing is that I do not have much trust in IMAP and leaving your RF data on some server ; even big companies lost customers data due to RF mistakes - you can call me old fashioned here but if it's lost I can RF only blame myself :) Agreed! RF As for now I use non-encrypted TB! installed on separated RF TC container and it works good for me. Me too! RF I used on-fly-encrypted version first I installed TB! but had to RF switch to none-encrypted due to some problems I had with it (don't RF remember now what it was ; reported it on BugTraq but it's gone now). For me it was unrecoverable corrupted mailbase files. RF Tried to use Voyager that is on-fly-encrypted on my 32GB USB but it RF didn't work good. I mean here that Voyager worked good but sync to a RF my desktop failed 3 times in a raw so I just gave it up. Same here. Thanks for the thorough explanation. It is comforting to know there is someone with similar experiences and similar solutions. - -- Paul The Bat! v.4.2.44.2 on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 6.1.7601 No IMAP No OTFE Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Hello Rick, Monday, April 30, 2012, 7:50:41 AM, you wrote: (Delayed sending already exists in v4). R Yes but it was finally FIXED by v5. No problem, I am not using this feature. R As for lesser bugs, ONE irritant is that when exiting templates (I R use a couple of folder templates) AUTOWRAP, AUTO FORMAT and JUSTIFY R ON AUTOWRAP are always on. If you deselect them, it doesn't R remember the setting Needs fixing. R The HTML editor could use some work and the way it handles R externally linked graphics needs to be totally rethought I hear that the HTML editor has improved from v4 to v5. I need it sometimes for business mails (to embed pictures or tables). -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Hello Paul, Tuesday, May 1, 2012, 10:57:05 PM, you wrote: The message base is not local. R Is that not the nature of the beast? If you want security, us POP PVN Yup! Just picking this post to throw in another argument for POP you guys may not be aware of: Slow internet connection. I just came back from a province in Northern Thailand where my only access to the internet was GPRS (not even EDGE). So, I set TB! to download messages, and went to have breakfast. After that, all messages where on the computer, I could read and reply. With IMAP, only the headers would be downloaded. For each message and especially their attachments, I would have to download while waiting in front of the computer. Argument in favour of IMAP: I use IMAP on my iPhone. So I download only the headers when I'm travelling, reducing international roaming charges. If there is a message I need to read, I open that one only. However, this is not useful at my PCs, as I need to download all messages an attachments anyway. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Hello Paul, IMO IMAP is the only driving force for v5. IMAP is not a part of my future for reasons of security that cannot be overcome with IMAP. What security issues do you see in IMAP? -- Best regards, Tonymailto:t...@parkinch.co.uk The Bat! 5.0.36.2 Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters working in v5?
5/1/2012 11:36 AM Hi Tony, On 5/1/2012 Tony Hoare wrote: IMO IMAP is the only driving force for v5. IMAP is not a part of my future for reasons of security that cannot be overcome with IMAP. TH What security issues do you see in IMAP? The message base is not local. - -- Paul The Bat! v.4.2.44.2 on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 6.1.7601 No IMAP No OTFE Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
IMO IMAP is the only driving force for v5. IMAP is not a part of my future for reasons of security that cannot be overcome with IMAP. TH What security issues do you see in IMAP? The message base is not local. Is that not the nature of the beast? If you want security, us POP -- Rick Dear Prince Charming, You've got some explaining to do! Sincerely, Cinderella, Snow White, Rapunzel, and Sleeping Beauty v5.1.2.2 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Using all POP accounts I download all images Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters working in v5?
5/1/2012 11:56 AM Hi Raymund, On 5/1/2012 Raymund Tump wrote: RT Hi Paul, TH What security issues do you see in IMAP? The message base is not local. RT That is a security issue only if you think your mails aren't save as RT long as they are on a server. This is also true for POP3 as long as RT you don't get the mails every second. If it were only this simple. - -- Paul The Bat! v.4.2.44.2 on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 6.1.7601 No IMAP No OTFE Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters working in v5?
5/1/2012 11:56 AM Hi Rick, On 5/1/2012 Rick wrote: The message base is not local. R Is that not the nature of the beast? If you want security, us POP Yup! - -- Paul The Bat! v.4.2.44.2 on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 6.1.7601 No IMAP No OTFE Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5? (Securing your hardware) :)
Hi Raymund, RA if your mail is that interesting to an attacker he/she/it will RA find a way to get it from your computer as well... You're right in your statement but cost vs value is a question here :) In my case no one will try to get my data ; way too much work to do :) 1. True Crypt Encrypted HDD (Serpent-Twofish-AES with SHA512 hash) and encrypted not with a password but SHA-512 keyfile, 2. Keyfile could be stolen so it's on hardware AES encrypted USB with small/capitalized letters and digits (3 wrong passwords and you can only format it ; unless Sandisk included some backdoor in it :)) ; I do have 2 copies of such USB in separated places of the world (and I'm the only person that knows where it is :)), 3. Notebook camera is set to facial recognition and if I'm gone for about 2s it locks down and my face and password are required to get an access (only drawback here is a need for decent light conditions). Password is not a word but mixture of small/capital letters and digits. 4. USB ports are turn-off and not accessible up to the moment you Unlock them after plugging in a USB drive. 5. All my portable HDD/USB are TC encrypted with keyfiles. 6. Password on BIOS That one is only to slow common thieves down and not to get HDD formatted within first 1-2 hours after your notebook is gone. 7. E-mail clients and browsers are set up to connect to Internet over encrypted VPN ; have that option enabled as well for a whole OS (two reasons here): a) Higher security (as I never had enough time to dig up a matter of e-mail encryption ; anyway if I'm not mistaken recipient must to do some work on his end as well and probably most people would not be able to do that properly) b) I'm in China and amazingly quite often connecting to US/EU server even through EU VPN is faster than direct connection from China (no comment here) and more stable (no Time Outs ; before on Chinese cable connection I had sometimes up to 90% of time out from time to time), There is one more option in my notebook BIOS: Computrace but I didn't dare to turn it on because as per info I've found it can't be turn off by a user (remote company must reset your notebook) nor uninstalled from BIOS after it's set active (if BIOS is reflashed it's repairing itself). Why to do that? My previous notebook was once stolen and had only BIOS protection so data were fully accessible if HDD is taken out and connected to other machine. However, that BIOS saved HDD from being formatted before I luckily found it and bought it back. At least make them not be able to read your data or sweat while trying to access it ; if you're not lucky enough to get it back fast enough :) -- Best Regards, RS (FEDARA) The Bat! 5.1.2 Windows 7 x64 Professional (7601 Service Pack 1) POP3 accounts (x5) Wednesday, May 2, 2012 (00:34 ; GMT+8) Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Sveiki, Tuesday, May 1, 2012, 6:37:48 PM, you wrote: 5/1/2012 11:36 AM Hi Tony, On 5/1/2012 Tony Hoare wrote: IMO IMAP is the only driving force for v5. IMAP is not a part of my future for reasons of security that cannot be overcome with IMAP. TH What security issues do you see in IMAP? The message base is not local. If an attacker is in possesion of mail server it doesn't matter if it's IMAP or POP. He will still be able to read your new email. IMAP is just a protocol to get email from the server. It is no more or less secure than POP. Using POP3 and thinking that you are somehow more secure is completely ridicilous idea. If you need a security encrypt your email base (be it local or on the server). Most of the modern email server can do that. -- Best regards, Vilius Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5? (Securing your hardware) :)
Hi All, 1. True Crypt Encrypted HDD (Serpent-Twofish-AES with SHA512 hash) and encrypted not with a password but SHA-512 keyfile, Mistyped here ; I wrote OS but meant other containers. OS is AES encrypted with a password and containers are Serpent-Twofish-AES encrypted (mounted separately). All data are set to non-OS partition but to separated container mounted as a drive after OS is up (ex: TB!'s data folder). Keyfiles and Containers headers are saved on AES hardware encrypted USB (headers are to be used if something happens to the container ; so far never had to use them (luckily)). Rest of the info was correct. It's about 2am here now and it's probably a high time for me to get to bed. -- Best Regards, RS (FEDARA) The Bat! 5.1.2 Windows 7 x64 Professional (7601 Service Pack 1) POP3 accounts (x5) Wednesday, May 2, 2012 (01:57 ; GMT+8) Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters working in v5?
5/1/2012 9:41 PM Hi Vilius, On 5/1/2012 Vilius Šumskas wrote: VŠ If an attacker is in possesion of mail server it doesn't matter if VŠ it's IMAP or POP. He will still be able to read your new email. IMAP VŠ is just a protocol to get email from the server. It is no more or less VŠ secure than POP. VŠ Using POP3 and thinking that you are somehow more secure is completely VŠ ridicilous idea. If you need a security encrypt your email base (be it local VŠ or on the server). Most of the modern email server can do that. No sense attempting an explanation since you seem to have all the answers. - -- Paul The Bat! v.4.2.44.2 on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 6.1.7601 No IMAP No OTFE Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters working in v5?
5/1/2012 9:43 PM Hi Raymund, On 5/1/2012 Raymund Tump wrote: RT I can't see what's more to it. RT Any mail send can be read by someone along the way as long as it is RT not encrypted. If it is at rest at a server it might be easier to RT access for an attacker. RT if your mail is that interesting to an attacker he/she/it will find a RT way to get it from your computer as well... See response from RS... - -- Paul The Bat! v.4.2.44.2 on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 6.1.7601 No IMAP No OTFE Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters working in v5?
4/30/2012 8:21 AM Hi Rick, On 4/29/2012 Rick wrote: R Filters work well R Delayed sending is AWESOME R Less bugs R Drag and drop images in HTML emails R I could go on - what specifically concerns you? Filters in V4 work perfectly for me. After 14 years of use the interface changes do nothing for me and add unneeded extra clicks. V4 doesn't bug me at all. Delayed sending works exactly as I need it to do - when I use it. V5 requires retraining my elderly customers for which they receive no benefits to them and their usage. IMO IMAP is the only driving force for v5. IMAP is not a part of my future for reasons of security that cannot be overcome with IMAP. - -- Paul The Bat! v.4.2.44.2 on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 6.1.7601 No IMAP No OTFE Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Hallo Raymund, On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 09:04:13 +0200GMT (29-4-2012, 9:04 , where I live), you wrote: Does anybody still have any issues with filters? If so, kindly advise whether you are using POP or IMAP. RT I have a filter that moves a received message from an IMAP account to RT a common folder and afterwards set it to read. RT Move works fine. Changing the status doesn't. What if you change the sequence of the actions? -- Groetjes, Roelof Borg Moderator: Your Topic Is Irrelevant, your arguments are futile. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 5.1.2 Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 5 pop3 accounts, 2 imap accounts OTFE disabled i7-2600 3.4GHz 4 GB RAM Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Hello Thomas, Does anybody still have any issues with filters? If so, kindly advise whether you are using POP or IMAP. I use a number of Incoming, Outgoing, Read and Replied filters (account filters, not common) and they are all working fine in my POP accounts. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v5.1.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Raymund, On 29-04-2012 09:04, you wrote in mid:16310293318.20120429090...@gmx.de: I have a filter that moves a received message from an IMAP account to a common folder and afterwards set it to read. Move works fine. Changing the status doesn't. Moving on IMAP works for me 40-60% of the time. Marking as read or assigning colour group doesn't. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 5.1.2 Pro /thebat version extras MyGate, RSS /extras env. 4 IMAP (Courier) 1 IMAP (Fastmail), 1 POP3 MyGate, 350K+ msgs. /env. os Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 /os Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Hello MAU, Sunday, April 29, 2012, 2:40:53 PM, you wrote: Does anybody still have any issues with filters? If so, kindly advise whether you are using POP or IMAP. M I use a number of Incoming, Outgoing, Read and Replied filters (account M filters, not common) and they are all working fine in my POP accounts. Thanks. the problems just reported are with IMAP accounts, and like you, I use only POP. Over 100 filters though, that's why I am reluctant: If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Maybe it's time for a little prep-talk again. In a nut-shell, why should I (POP-user) upgrade to v5? I am not only aksing for myself, I am also aksing because other people ask me. Therefore, a 20-page changelog won't help to convince anybody. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters working in v5?
4/29/2012 10:19 AM Hi Thomas, On 4/29/2012 Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF Over 100 filters though, that's why I am reluctant: If it ain't broke, TF don't fix it. Precisely! TF Maybe it's time for a little prep-talk again. In a nut-shell, why TF should I (POP-user) upgrade to v5? I am not only aksing for myself, I TF am also aksing because other people ask me. Therefore, a 20-page TF changelog won't help to convince anybody. Reason: 1. 2. 3. - -- Paul The Bat! v.4.2.44.2 on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 6.1.7601 No IMAP No OTFE Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
4/29/2012 10:19 AM Hi Thomas, On 4/29/2012 Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF Over 100 filters though, that's why I am reluctant: If it ain't broke, TF don't fix it. Precisely! TF Maybe it's time for a little prep-talk again. In a nut-shell, why TF should I (POP-user) upgrade to v5? I am not only aksing for myself, I TF am also aksing because other people ask me. Therefore, a 20-page TF changelog won't help to convince anybody. Reason: 1. 2. 3. Filters work well Delayed sending is AWESOME Less bugs Drag and drop images in HTML emails I could go on - what specifically concerns you? -- Rick Our task must be to free ourselves by widening the circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty. --Albert Einstein, physicist v5.1.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Using all POP accounts I download all images Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Hello Rick, Sunday, April 29, 2012, 11:00:45 PM, you wrote: 4/29/2012 10:19 AM Hi Thomas, On 4/29/2012 Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF Over 100 filters though, that's why I am reluctant: If it ain't broke, TF don't fix it. Precisely! TF Maybe it's time for a little prep-talk again. In a nut-shell, why TF should I (POP-user) upgrade to v5? I am not only aksing for myself, I TF am also aksing because other people ask me. Therefore, a 20-page TF changelog won't help to convince anybody. Reason: 1. 2. 3. R Filters work well R Delayed sending is AWESOME R Less bugs R Drag and drop images in HTML emails R I could go on - what specifically concerns you? What concerns me are bugs. Which one of the less bugs are your pet peeves? Anyway, thanks for the feature of dragdrop images. Can anybody else have a new feature they find useful? (Delayed sending already exists in v4). -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
What concerns me are bugs. Which one of the less bugs are your pet peeves? Anyway, thanks for the feature of dragdrop images. Can anybody else have a new feature they find useful? Paste as plain text? (Delayed sending already exists in v4). Yes but it was finally FIXED by v5. As for lesser bugs, ONE irritant is that when exiting templates (I use a couple of folder templates) AUTOWRAP, AUTO FORMAT and JUSTIFY ON AUTOWRAP are always on. If you deselect them, it doesn't remember the setting The HTML editor could use some work and the way it handles externally linked graphics needs to be totally rethought -- Rick Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body; But rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming--WOW--What a ride! v5.1.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Using all POP accounts I download all images Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Filters working in v5?
Hello Tbbeta, There were some reports about filters not working correctly. I never saw any fixes in the changelogs. Filters are crucial for me and the reported problems are the main reason why I haven't upgraded to v5 yet. Does anybody still have any issues with filters? If so, kindly advise whether you are using POP or IMAP. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
