Re: Old Bug Column Settings do not stick, using No View Mode
Hello Allie! On Tuesday, October 19, 2004, 7:10 PM, you wrote: AM I can't duplicate this problem. I don't know if it's because I AM have other folders using specified view modes or because I have AM other view modes defined. Did you make the changes using the Drop-down menu from View in The Bat!'s main window? This is the place where the problem occurs. According to Stuart Cuddy's analysis and your other message to me in regard to the View/Global View Mode settings, the problem I encounter is by design. In other words, View drop-down menu, after v. 2.11, is designed to make only a temporary change to the settings of the folder which one is in. So, I think what's needed is a change in the wording of the settings choices in The Bat!/View/Sort-by to reflect that changes made using the drop-down menu are temporary. Otherwise, the potential for confusion still exists for the new user, and especially for the pre-v. 2.11 user who is upgrading to v. 3.. I am now trying to think how to amend my BT note https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3962 to reflect that I still believe the programmers have a problem to address with this behavior. Either make The Bat!/View/Sort-by behavior consistent with what happens when clicking on the Column Names and consistent with the settings in Options/Preferences/Messages/View Modes--or re-word The Bat!/View/Sort-by such that it is clear that settings-changes made in the drop-down menu are temporary for the particular folder. Have I said this clearly to you? Would some such wording for me to use in an amending Note to my BT report be appropriate? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.1 (Professional Edition) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Old Bug Column Settings do not stick, using No View Mode
On Wednesday, October 20, 2004 at 6:09:27 AM [GMT -0500], Mary Bull wrote: Did you make the changes using the Drop-down menu from View in The Bat!'s main window? Yes, I did. This is the place where the problem occurs. According to Stuart Cuddy's analysis and your other message to me in regard to the View/Global View Mode settings, the problem I encounter is by design. In other words, View drop-down menu, after v. 2.11, is designed to make only a temporary change to the settings of the folder which one is in. Unless I'm missing a step things stick here. Your steps seemed quite clear. I have a number of view modes already created here. All I did was to set a single folder to use no view mode and then attemtped a sort change via the menus. I moved away and back to the folder to see that the sort change I made was still applied. I am now trying to think how to amend my BT note https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3962 to reflect that I still believe the programmers have a problem to address with this behavior. Either make The Bat!/View/Sort-by behavior consistent with what happens when clicking on the Column Names and consistent with the settings in Options/Preferences/Messages/View Modes--or re-word The Bat!/View/Sort-by such that it is clear that settings-changes made in the drop-down menu are temporary for the particular folder. Have I said this clearly to you? Would some such wording for me to use in an amending Note to my BT report be appropriate? My only problem is that, though you're clear, and you make sense, I can't duplicate the problem. The other thing is that I doubt that this will stop any confusion. The more popular cause for confusion is setting a global view mode and then trying to set another folders view mode where the new settings will not stick. -- -= Allie =- . Religion without heart is enslavement. __ The Bat! v3.0.1.33 - IMAP mail Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Old Bug Column Settings do not stick, using No View Mode
Hello Allie! On Tuesday, October 19, 2004, 7:19 PM, you wrote: MB However, if one cannot choose, in View/Global View Mode the MB option No View Mode, why is it there and why does it allow me MB to put a tick--a dot--beside it to choose it? AM You can choose it. What you're doing when you choose this option AM is specifying that you do not wish all your folders to be using a AM single view mode. You're freeing up the folders to be configured AM to use their own specific view modes. I have that options AM selected. Allie, my question above to Nick Andriash was in the nature of a rhetorical question because he had stated that No View Modes was not a choice option. I think perhaps he was looking in Options/Preferences/Messages/View Modes when he wrote his argument to me, although I didn't figure that out when I replied to him with the comment to which you have replied. Obviously, I can *choose* it, in The Bat!/View/Global View Modes. I *have* chosen it. And if your analysis and that of Stuart Cuddy is correct--and i believe that it is--the drop-down menu is working as designed. But the wording is quite confusing, as I said in my other post in Reply to you this morning, in that one has no clue when using The Bat!/View/Sort-by that settings chosen there are now, since v. 2.11, temporary. So. Either keep the function of The Bat!/View/Sort-by temporary. Stuart Cuddy regards that behavior as useful. And re-word the drop-down menu to reflect that changes made here in Sort-by are temporary and specific for the particular folder. Or: Change the behavior of The Bat!/View/Sort-by to make it consistent with what happens when one clicks on a Column Name or when one configures the parameters in The Bat!/Options/Preferences/Messages/View Modes. I may be getting there. I'm heading toward putting an amending note to my BT report on this issue, https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3962 -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.1 (Professional Edition) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Old Bug Column Settings do not stick, using No View Mode
Hallo Mary, On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 08:00:27 -0500GMT (19-10-2004, 15:00 +0200, where I live), you wrote: MB An old bug that I complained of on tbudl in v. 2.11, but got no one to MB confirm, is that Column settings and View/Sort-by settings do not MB stick when using No View Mode. Still cannot confirm. I'm using no view mode for most of my folders. -- Groetjes, Roelof Windows:If I wanted a MAC, I woulda BOUGHT one! The Bat! 3.0.2.1 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpTBd0W2vsim.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Old Bug Column Settings do not stick, using No View Mode
Hello Allie! On Wednesday, October 20, 2004, 6:17 AM, you wrote: MB Have I said this clearly to you? Would some such wording for me MB to use in an amending Note to my BT report be appropriate? AM My only problem is that, though you're clear, and you make sense, I AM can't duplicate the problem. ... Ah. But Stuart Cuddy has duplicated it. And David Boggon (posting to tbudl). So, it may be, as you said, because of settings you made in Options/Preferences. The behavior does occur for Stuart and David and me. (As I realize that you are not disputing.) AM The other thing is that I doubt that this will stop any confusion. So, maybe we wait for the professionally written Help file. :( AM The more popular cause for confusion is setting a global view mode AM and then trying to set another folders view mode where the new AM settings will not stick. Yes, I can see how that would bring a major feeling of disaster to the user. I was lurking on tbbeta when all this View-Modes stuff was being tested, but it was so technical-sounding to me that I blocked it all out even as I read. I made up my mind that I was not going to use View Modes or Virtual Folders. I liked TB! very well just the way it was functioning for me in v. 1.62 and v. 2.06. But then, Leif lured me into loving Smileys. That's why I'm where I am now. :) But, willy-nilly, I *do* have View Modes. They're not escapable. So, I'm trying to get with the program. And trying to see how some confusions can be headed off at the pass for future new users of The Bat! Thanks a million for discussing this with me. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.1 (Professional Edition) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Old Bug Column Settings do not stick, using No View Mode
Hello Roelof! On Wednesday, October 20, 2004, 6:28 AM, you wrote: MB Column settings and View/Sort-by settings do not stick when using MB No View Mode. RO Still cannot confirm. I'm using no view mode for most of my RO folders. Did you make your Sort-by changes from The Bat!/View/Sort-by? Thank you so very much for participating in this, Roelof. I think there is no doubt that the behavior is occurring. It has occurred for Stuart Cuddy, David Boggon, and me. So, the testing phase is about over. The behavior of The Bat!/View/Sort-by is apparently by design. It is just that it is not clear on the first-time encounter that the changes to the folder settings made in The Bat!/View/Sort-by are temporary. And they are, at least for Stuart C., and David B., and me. I'm going to amend my BT report in some way. Haven't decided yet exactly how to word it. https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3962 -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.1 (Professional Edition) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Old Bug Column Settings do not stick, using No View Mode
Hello Mary, Tuesday, October 19, 2004, 8:00:27 AM, you wrote: MB Subsequent short thread ensued, to which Marck D. Pearlstone and I MB posted. Result: I confirm that the problem still exists in v. 3.0.1.33 MB and in the current beta which I am running. MB If you can confirm this bug, please support my BT report: MB https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3962 Mary I am a little confused by this. What Viewmode do you use for TBUDL? You seem to be saying you use No Viewmode. I do not have a Folder Viewmode by this name, just a Global Setting by this name. -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Old Bug Column Settings do not stick, using No View Mode
Hello Stuart! On Tuesday, October 19, 2004, 8:35 AM, you wrote: MB If you can confirm this bug, please support my BT report: MB https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3962 SC Mary I am a little confused by this. What Viewmode do you use for SC TBUDL? You seem to be saying you use No Viewmode. I do not have a SC Folder Viewmode by this name, just a Global Setting by this name. In TB!'s main window click on View/Global View Mode (scroll way down)/No View Mode. Then, again in the TB! main window, click on View/Sort-by , and change your Sort-by choice to a different one. Go to another folder. Then come back to the previous folder. The change you set will not have been retained. The folder will have reverted to the one before you made the change. It is so hard for me to tell things clearly! Please ask some more, if I haven't explained the problem well. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.1 (Professional Edition) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Old Bug Column Settings do not stick, using No View Mode
On Tuesday, October 19, 2004, at 7:52:00 AM, Mary wrote: An old bug that I complained of on tbudl in v. 2.11, but got no one to confirm, is that Column settings and View/Sort-by settings do not stick when using No View Mode. Just curious Mary, but don't you have to set your View Modes using Options/Preferences/View Modes? What happens if you create, under Options, a new view mode named No View Mode, set the parameters, and then Ok the formation of that view. Now go ahead and make changes to that new mode as you earlier suggested. Do they set properly? -- -=Nick Andriash=- -=Creston, B.C. Canada=- The Bat! Pro v3.0.2.1 on Win XP Pro Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Old Bug Column Settings do not stick, using No View Mode
Hello Nick! On Tuesday, October 19, 2004, 9:55 AM, you wrote: MB An old bug that I complained of on tbudl in v. 2.11, but got no one to MB confirm, is that Column settings and View/Sort-by settings do not MB stick when using No View Mode. NA Just curious Mary, but don't you have to set your View Modes using NA Options/Preferences/View Modes? What happens if you create, under NA Options, a new view mode named No View Mode, set the parameters, NA and then Ok the formation of that view. Now go ahead and make NA changes to that new mode as you earlier suggested. Do they set NA properly? The default choices given to me on the View/Global View Mode drop-down menu of the main window are: Generic View Mode No View Mode (with o underlined, which I cannot reproduce in my charset) I did as you suggested and created a New View Mode, named No View Mode without the o underlined. Choosing that, the parameters stick, and changes made in the drop-down menu View/Sort-by stick. But on the default choices No [underlined o] View Mode they do not stick. Therefore, I think it is a bug. I long since have a work-around. This was my problem in v. 2.11 , before I was ever a beta tester, which I reported on tbudl but no one confirmed. So I did not make a BT report. There is now a BT report, describing the problem and how to reproduce it, for those who wish to help by testing the steps described here: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3962 I believe it is a bug, because using the default menu choice No [underlined o] View Mode, this behavior occurs for both myself (tested several times with different Sort-by choices, today, before making the BT report) and David Boggon: tbudl mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] subject line, column settings that don't set I shall greatly appreciate it if you do have the time to test for this bug, using the exact steps given in the BT report, and if you can confirm it, put a note to my report. While David B. and I have a work-around now, every new user of The Bat! is likely to run into this behavior and be very annoyed until he/she either figures it out by himself/herself or posts to tbudl about it. That is, if it is the bug that I truly believe at present, it is. Thanks again. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.1 [Professional Edition] on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Old Bug Column Settings do not stick, using No View Mode
On Tuesday, October 19, 2004, at 10:42:19 AM, Mary wrote: But on the default choices No [underlined o] View Mode they do not stick. Therefore, I think it is a bug. On my copy of TB there is no underlined 'o', they just have (No View Mode) in brackets. To me, that says simply no view mode, and I believe trying to make it one of your view modes is where your problem is. There just isn't any such thing as a (No View Mode)...at least that is how I look it. -- -=Nick Andriash=- -=Creston, B.C. Canada=- The Bat! Pro v3.0.2.1 on Win XP Pro Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Old Bug Column Settings do not stick, using No View Mode
Hello Nick! On Tuesday, October 19, 2004, 12:45 PM, you wrote: MB But on the default choices No [underlined o] View Mode they do MB not stick. Therefore, I think it is a bug. NA On my copy of TB there is no underlined 'o', they just have (No NA View Mode) in brackets. To me, that says simply no view mode, and NA I believe trying to make it one of your view modes is where your NA problem is. There just isn't any such thing as a (No View NA Mode)...at least that is how I look it. So, that your No View Mode is not underlined with the lower case o and mine is, says to me that I may have a faulty download of TB! in which this has been conserved through all the versions, including the rars, which I have run since v. 2.11. However, if one cannot choose, in View/Global View Mode the option No View Mode, why is it there and why does it allow me to put a tick--a dot--beside it to choose it? To me, this is still a bug that I am offered to make a choice and allowed to make a choice when it is a choice that (by design?) won't work. What do you think? P.S. Did you do my steps to test? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.1 (Professional Edition) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Old Bug Column Settings do not stick, using No View Mode
Hello Stuart! On Tuesday, October 19, 2004, 1:09 PM, you wrote: SC I may have this all wrong but I think this is the way it works and SC think it needs some changes. Any comments would be welcomed. I think you have laid it out very clearly and it fits into the conversation which Nick and I are having about it very well. As I said, it is no longer a problem for me. Even though I didn't even know where in Options/Preferences to find View Modes--way back when I was running v. 2.11--the hint from a kind poster on tbudl to set my parameters using the Column Names at the tops of the columns solved my problem. Set there, the parameters stick for that folder. However, at least one other person--the poster to tbudl this morning--was confused and frustrated by the drop-down View/Global View Modes menu. Therefore, it is a sort of bug--or at least a poor design--and worth the attention of the programmers before the release of the Christmas Edition. Only my tbbeta-newbie opinion. Further comments welcome. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.1 (Professional Edition) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Old Bug Column Settings do not stick, using No View Mode
On Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 8:53:55 AM [GMT -0500], Mary Bull wrote: In TB!'s main window click on View/Global View Mode (scroll way down)/No View Mode. Already selected. Then, again in the TB! main window, click on View/Sort-by , and change your Sort-by choice to a different one. I have all my folders using a view mode that I had created, so I selected a folder at set it to use 'no view mode'. I then changed the sorting to something else. Go to another folder. Then come back to the previous folder. The change you set will not have been retained. The folder will have reverted to the one before you made the change. I can't duplicate this problem. I don't know if it's because I have other folders using specified view modes or because I have other view modes defined. It is so hard for me to tell things clearly! Please ask some more, if I haven't explained the problem well. Actually, you were quite clear. :) -- -= Allie =- . For exercise, men can walk. Women talk. __ The Bat! v3.0.1.33 - IMAP mail Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Old Bug Column Settings do not stick, using No View Mode
On Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 12:53:36 PM [GMT -0500], Mary Bull wrote: However, if one cannot choose, in View/Global View Mode the option No View Mode, why is it there and why does it allow me to put a tick--a dot--beside it to choose it? You can choose it. What you're doing when you choose this option is specifying that you do not wish all your folders to be using a single view mode. You're freeing up the folders to be configured to use their own specific view modes. I have that options selected. However, for each folder, there's a particular View Mode selected. For my discussion list folders, I have them set to thread by references and have the columns set up for that. For others I have them set to an unthreaded type view mode. For my sent and outbox folders, I have another view mode configured for them. If I had defined a particular global view mode, then it would take over and I couldn't define a specific and unique view mode for any one folder. -- -= Allie =- . For exercise, men can walk. Women talk. __ The Bat! v3.0.1.33 - IMAP mail Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
