Re[2]: the Bat! suggestions for a future release
viernes, 16 jul 2004 at 13:46, it seems you wrote: thebat.exe /op:compress:9Val - compresses all folders in | account 9Val | thebat.exe /op:killdupes:purge:compress:\\9Val\Inbox - kills | duplicates, purges and compresses in my Inbox Some command or option to make the operation to all the accounts ? -- /\/ / \ / \ / /\/ e t \/ i c i o u s Moderator of Spanish TBUDL Spanish Translation Coordinator of The Bat! Using The Bat! 2.12.00 on Windows XP (5.1.2600 Service Pack 1) Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
the Bat! suggestions for a future release
Hi all, I would like to suggest some future enhancement for a next release of the bat! Please tell me what you think of them !!! 1. Currently we can only backup through the program interface. I would like to see implemented some command line switches in order to automate the backup process trhough a batch file/script. And could it be possible to include the backup action in the scheduler's action tab ? 2. Could it be possible to make the folder maintenance centre window behave the same way the account log window does : the account log window is a read only text area wherease the folder maintenance centre window is editable which is not necessary; and in the accountlog window we can activate a contextual menu in order to select/copy/find text, in the folder maintenance centre it could be interesting to have the same thing. 3. In the options/preferences/system//complete addresses from, could it be possible for the all address books options to also include Ldap adress book ? 4. In the options/preferences/system we can select to checkboxes in order to autocomplete the adress and subject fields of a message, could it be possible to include to buttons in order to reset those two histories ? -- Greetings, Claude Renaud The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is v2.12 RC/4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the Bat! suggestions for a future release
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 CRI would like to suggest some future enhancement for a next release CR of the bat! CR Please tell me what you think of them !!! 1 4 get my vote. I think you need to put these (as separate suggestions) on to BT! somewhere. - -- :Stuart_Hemming: Using The Bat! v2.12 RC/4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Aided by BayesIt! 0.5.5 PGP Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com Why does my wife always ask questions that have no right answers? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0 Comment: Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com; iQA/AwUBQPeiRNttnLhkydF1EQKQtQCghZEfy5Z92E6MdYE72P7SN2fjyUUAoP8C WEuulBrF5Tztf+tM5RvAQ0Wd =IV2h -END PGP SIGNATURE- Westgate House, Westgate, Sleaford, Lincolnshire, NG34 7RJ http://www.estatecomputers.com/ Registered in England No 1604453. VAT No. 416 2922 63. Members of Microsoft Certified Partner Programme, Borland User Group, and PISCES (Property Information System Common Exchange Standard). Current beta is v2.12 RC/4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the Bat! suggestions for a future release
Hello Claude Renaud, I would like to see implemented some command line switches in order to automate the backup process trhough a batch file/script. there is command lines, introduced in v2.12 RC/1 .-[ mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]- | | New command lines: thebat.exe /op:operation:argument where | operation = compress, purge, killdupes, clearcache, empty | argument = account name (9Val)-or- | full path to folder (\\9Val\Inbox, \\\Common_folder) | | Note that multiple operations on the same argument are supported | | Example: | thebat.exe /op:compress:9Val - compresses all folders in | account 9Val | thebat.exe /op:killdupes:purge:compress:\\9Val\Inbox - kills | duplicates, purges and compresses in my Inbox | | Multiple arguments are not supported (hope that only yet) | '--- -- best regards Miroslav BAT-MAIL.DE.VU - http://bat-mail.de.vu News-Ticker: http://thebat.orgavision.de/bat-mail.xml Current beta is v2.12 RC/4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
Hello Krzysztof Kudlacik, On Sunday, January 20 2002 at 11:37 PM PDT, you wrote: Must is IMVHO wrong word ;-) but ... email client is NOT primary PIM. It could be _if_ RITLabs were to follow-up on the Plugins suggestion, allowing for TB to serve as a PIM for those who require that. To have the functionality of MS Outlook's PIM coupled with the superb E-Mail functionality of TB would surely attract swarms of interest. -- Nick Andriash Courtenay, B.C. Canada -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com BugTraq: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
On 02-01-20, 23:01, you wrote:
I don't agree. I also use SmartBat _outside_ TB! and I want to be able
to call it at any time even when TB! is in the system tray. So then
there must be a system-wide shortcut for SmartBat.
Must is IMVHO wrong word ;-)
but ... email client is NOT primary PIM.
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 5:04 op woensdag 16 januari 2002, Thomas F: No. I have so many folders, some of them with large mails, that I don't compress at shutdown any more, but every couple of days manually. It takes a couple of minutes, and I don't want to wait when I have to hurry out of the office. ;-) Exactly my point :) I don't want to click/wait too long either at program shutdown. You could set the future option 'compress at shutdown if it saves [setting] bytes' to 'disabled' then. I don't mind just a bit waiting, knowing that it saves me some megabytes in my Inbox. M compromise: i think that there should be an option in the account M preferences regarding (automatic) compression. that way the user is M pointed to the fact that there exists something like message-base M compression. And another dialog box one asking him whether he wants to make some coffee or feed his dog? No dialog boxes, that's why I hinted to the Account Preferences. That is a dialog box that you conciously have to open. Users apparently don't RTFM, so the fact that 'compression' is available needs to be pointed out at a place the users comes to anyway (to set up his mail). Early on, I had trouble differentiating between 'purge' and 'compress' (at first glance, they seem to do the same thing), it was only when I took the trouble to explore a bit more that I discovered the folder-limiting options in their properties, and thus the usefulness of 'purge'. If you want to introduce a reminder/calender function in TheBat à la Outlook, I'd suggest you take a look at the wishlist :) *ducks* Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBPEVNYktQMadp+KslEQLX1wCggja9QSHckZdRDCgh2tVNojjT1uIAn2z9 kA7HeUL2MxXfhYFU8HijO2w6 =TVW5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
The Bat! - suggestions
Hello ! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.54 Beta/26 Serial Number C4C1C7D5 under Windows NT 5.1 Build 2600 . There are some features I would like to see in your program: I'm a new registered user of your software and I would like to suggest you new features. I'm a blind user and I work under windows with a peace of software called a screen reader. My screen reader (Jaws of freedomscientific) could not read easily several screens (html message for example) because most of them are too graphical. Could it be possible to make the bat more accessible for visually impaired persons as me. For example, could it be possible to include an option which let the choice to the user to use either your html viewer or fthe microsoft one. Using the microsoft html viewer is perhapsdangerous because of html viruses but it is very convenient because my screen reader can read html properly thanks to the microsoft accessibility components. And could you include in the bat more buttons instead of graphics (in the address book for example) to make the bat more accessible. Regards, Claude Renaud ===8===End of original message text=== -- Best regards, Claudemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
The Bat! - suggestions
Hello The Bat! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.54 Beta/26 Serial Number C4C1C7D5 under Windows NT 5.1 Build 2600 . There are some features I would like to see in your program: I'm a new registered user of your software and I would like to suggest you new features. I'm a blind user and I work under windows with a peace of software called a screen reader. My screen reader (Jaws of freedomscientific) could not read easily several screens (html message for example) because most of them are too graphical. Could it be possible to make the bat more accessible for visually impaired persons as me. For example, could it be possible to include an option which let the choice to the user to use either your html viewer or fthe microsoft one. Using the microsoft html viewer is perhapsdangerous because of html viruses but it is very convenient because my screen reader can read html properly thanks to the microsoft accessibility components. And could you include in the bat more buttons instead of graphics (in the address book for example) to make the bat more accessible. Regards, Claude Renaud ===8===End of original message text=== -- Best regards, Claudemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
The Bat! - suggestions
Hello The Bat! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.54 Beta/26 Serial Number C4C1C7D5 under Windows NT 5.1 Build 2600 . There are some features I would like to see in your program: I'm a new registered user of your software and I would like to suggest you new features. I'm a blind user and I work under windows with a peace of software called a screen reader. My screen reader (Jaws of freedomscientific) could not read easily several screens (html message for example) because most of them are too graphical. Could it be possible to make the bat more accessible for visually impaired persons as me. For example, could it be possible to include an option which let the choice to the user to use either your html viewer or fthe microsoft one. Using the microsoft html viewer is perhapsdangerous because of html viruses but it is very convenient because my screen reader can read html properly thanks to the microsoft accessibility components. And could you include in the bat more buttons instead of graphics (in the address book for example) to make the bat more accessible. Regards, Claude Renaud -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
The Bat! - suggestions
Hello The Bat! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.54 Beta/26 Serial Number C4C1C7D5 under Windows NT 5.1 Build 2600 . There are some features I would like to see in your program: I'm a new registered user of your software and I would like to suggest you new features. I'm a blind user and I work under windows with a peace of software called a screen reader. My screen reader (Jaws of freedomscientific) could not read easily several screens (html message for example) because most of them are too graphical. Could it be possible to make the bat more accessible for visually impaired persons as me. For example, could it be possible to include an option which let the choice to the user to use either your html viewer or fthe microsoft one. Using the microsoft html viewer is perhapsdangerous because of html viruses but it is very convenient because my screen reader can read html properly thanks to the microsoft accessibility components. And could you include in the bat more buttons instead of graphics (in the address book for example) to make the bat more accessible. Regards, Claude Renaud -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
The Bat! - suggestions
Hello The Bat! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.54 Beta/28 Serial Number B5770FAF under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2. There are some features I would like to see in your program: There should be dialog boxes in TB! asking the user: | You haven't compressed your folders for n days/weeks. Do you want | to compress all your folders now? | |[Yes, compress them] [No, don't compres now] | There are nnn TB!-temp-files older than nnn days in your temp | folder. Do you want to delete them now? | | [Yes, delete them] [No, do nothing] These dialog boxes could pop up every week or so, when exiting or starting TB!. Regards, Carsten Thönges -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, [ISO-8859-1] Carsten Thnges wrote: There are some features I would like to see in your program: There should be dialog boxes in TB! asking the user: | You haven't compressed your folders for n days/weeks. Do you want | to compress all your folders now? | |[Yes, compress them] [No, don't compres now] I agree with any dialog, which appears to user for compressing. I have big FAQ to users on pages and in help file, but still many and many users asks me, why is their msgbase too big. -- Marek Mikus Czech Support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.ipex.cz -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
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Hi Mrten, I agree with any dialog, which appears to user for compressing. I have big FAQ to users on pages and in help file, but still many and many users asks me, why is their msgbase too big. M aren't users supposed to read the FM? :) perhaps message bases should be M compressed by default at program shutdown (if it saves 100 K bytes or M such, like Mozilla does). An option. M I disagree very strongly with any automaticly generated dialog that just M pops up randomly (the user goes: help! what did I do?), or dialogs that M need answering before closing TheBat (which effectively disables automatic M shutdown of windows). If I say 'exit' I mean 'exit', don't bother me with M unnecessary questions. Yes. How about the following in your Preferences: [x] Remind me of compressing all folders [x] Every [__] days [x] If folder wasn't compressed the last [__] days [x] Check for unused temp-files every [___] days [x] Warn only if file are older then [___] days M compromise: i think that there should be an option in the account M preferences regarding (automatic) compression. that way the user is M pointed to the fact that there exists something like message-base M compression. You're right. -- Best regards, Carsten The Bat! (v1.54 Beta/28) Business Windows NT 5.0 (Build 2195) Service Pack 2, PGP 0xe2d25323 -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
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Hello Jacek, On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:00:15 +0100GMT (15/01/2002, 23:00 +0800GMT), Jacek Wojaczynski wrote: [x] Remind me of compressing all folders [x] Every [__] days [x] If folder wasn't compressed the last [__] days JW Very good idea. Right after all bugs are fixed, the GUI revamped, and all sensible features are implemented and working without bugs. Version 3.0 or 4.0 would be a good timing IMHO. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.53t under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 with a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
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Hello, 21 Dec 2001, 8:58:48 PM, Maurice Snellen wrote: MS 1) It would be interesting to have new folders inherit their column MS settings from the parent folder below which they are created. Now I am surprised we don't have it yet. :) This is a pretty standard feature. And this is a standard in OOP. -- Best regards, Borismailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.54 Beta/19 on Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/15 Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
Hello Dwight, On 5 Dec 2001, 03:14:55, you wrote: I would really like to see some kind of signal which will show when there is a flagged message in a folder. Oh *yes*, that would be excellent. Perhaps a flag next to the folder in the folder view would be good. The same can be done for parking as well, surely? :) -- Best regards, Leslie -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/15 Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
The Bat! - suggestions: Delete Immediately
Hello The Bat! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.54/10 Serial Number 4B8FB535 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2. There are some features I would like to see in your program: Several times I sent in the following little feature: Immediate Delete. It would be very comfortable to have a Immediate Delete for messages - so there would be now copy to the trash - the message would be deleted from the Input folder immediately. With keyboard command eg. CTRL-DEL - or more save SHIFT-CLTR-DEL Thanks. Regards, Martin Schoch -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/10 Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 @ 08:27:05 -0800 [ Fri, 9 Nov 2001], Nick Andriash [NA] contributed this to our collective wisdom: ... NA It appears to be a clunky operation whenever you have to open the NA Address Book every time you want to address a letter to a Contact NA which has multiple addresses. I agree completely. I still use separate entries per address for each contact and then hit Ctrl(+/-) to toggle between the choices after typing the name in the To: field. - -- ©Allie C Martin -- List Moderator and fellow end-user PGPKey - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPPubKey1 [MUA: TB! v1.54/10 (*) OS: Win2K SP 2] __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: Sealed for Security iEYEARECAAYFAjvsJoAACgkQV8nrYCsHF+KLBQCgjUWtXZ87Okl/Qh8VY3uix4Ay fYEAniGOI0SGJo4K3om9LXYQxEMzeap2 =5nOJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/10 Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Friday, November 09, 2001 at 11:06:11 PM , Nick Andriash wrote the following on the The Bat! - suggestions thread: NA When a Contact has multiple E-Mail Addresses, is it not possible to have NA something similar to the way Eudora handles it, and that is simply NA typing in the Name in the To: line, then right clicking the Name to be NA presented with the list of addresses and choosing from there. Nick, why not have something like this for entries with multiple e-mail addresses: ---, - - address1 | person ---* - - address 2 | ---* and so on. Just click and select the address you want. This is somehow implemented in AB but I would like to see it in the drop-down menu that appears when clicking the arrow next to the New message button. - -- Back Up My Hard Drive? I Can't Find The Reverse Switch! __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: Member of the PGP-Basics, Encryption Help Team iD8DBQE77EYN8WBGNj3ut+0RAtSAAKCiKJkv2I6xl4GgKVcztR8TLVTM4ACgi3y9 z9JpeX36yfhz1Vpz3sQHu2c= =TWB5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/10 Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
Good morning List Members, on 09.11.2001 at 17:27, Nick Andriash wrote: When a Contact has multiple E-Mail Addresses, is it not possible to have [...] It appears to be a clunky operation whenever you have to open the Address Book every time you want to address a letter to a Contact which has multiple addresses. This will be solved within a short time. Simply wait for the feature to come :-) -- Regards Dieter Hummel MUA: Ritlabs TheBat! 1.54/10e-dD [2E7F60DA] OS: Windows v5.0 Build 2195 SP2 - Outgoing mail with possible attachments is found to be virus free - - Checked by AVP 3.5.133, using database update from Oct 31, 2001 - - All unannounced attachments will be automatically deleted by system - -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/10 Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: The Bat! - suggestions / Links to other mails
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Peter, On Thu, 20 Sep 2001 12:18:05 +0200 GMT (20/09/2001, 18:18 +0800 GMT), Peter Palmreuther wrote: PP Support for message-id as protocol 'mid:' in links. PP RFC 2392 describes a mechanism to link to a different e-mail via PP mid:message-id-of-other-email OK, I just read the RFC. I thought this has to do with threading, but it doesn't. It makes a reference *within* an HTML message. Example: QUOTE FROM RFC The following message points to another message (hopefully still in the recipient's message store). From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Here's how to do it Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-type: text/html; charset=usascii A HREF= mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]; previous message/A, shows how the approach you propose can be used to accomplish ... UNQUOTE As long as you cannot compose HTML messages in TB, we don't need to talk about it. With regards to corrrectly rendering such code, I must say I have never received a message with such a link. What MUA supports it? - -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I drive way too fast to worry about cholesterol. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.54 Beta/8 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using a Celeron 366 MHz, 128MB RAM -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 05) Comment: Key ID: 0x79493AEC iQA/AwUBO6qJ+Wkcopp5STrsEQLkmQCg+Tth8PdVAsdRCcbIGzzBI70ABkAAoNub iW8ejyT4IgfpGSZFYjEnL3Ih =i67j -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/8
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Peter, On Fri, 21 Sep 2001 10:54:13 +0200 GMT (21/09/2001, 16:54 +0800 GMT), Peter Palmreuther wrote: PP Other point: for me the RFC does not read as 'only HTML related'. I re-read and you are right. PP TB! support 'mailto:' and 'http:' links also in plain text, so why shouldn't PP it 'mid:'? The users not using TB! can't use it nevertheless, neither if it is PP only I'm referring to message with message-id [EMAIL PROTECTED] nor if it PP is I'm referring to message with message-id mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] as even PP the first would give them a 'mailto:' like effect. Actually, you are right. It would be nice to be able click on the link and open the message, rather than having to cp the message ID to the search window. I second this idea. (Which does not mean that all debugging should be stopped in order to implement this now. g) - -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. We are the people our parents warned us about. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.54 Beta/8 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using a Celeron 366 MHz, 128MB RAM -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 05) Comment: Key ID: 0x79493AEC iQA/AwUBO6qePmkcopp5STrsEQJxtQCdGeL64hg2jMtJuL5dWKaCr/gx6xgAnAy8 rI/+zsloH27ZKXbt1Q9ngDeK =SXBH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/8
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Hello Thomas, On Friday, September 21, 2001 at 11:56:09 AM you wrote (at least in part): TF (Which does not mean that all debugging should be stopped in order to TF implement this now. g) Joking mode on Not? I thought Beta/10 should have implemented it, regardless if TB! 's still slow in RTV or several other bugs present *ggg* /Joking mode off P.S.: OK ... I'm OT, I'll stop HERE! :-) -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.54 Beta/9 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) In empty spaces I twist and talk, and come down with the roar of thunder. -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/8
The Bat! - suggestions
Hello The Bat! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.53d Serial Number A27A5E65 under Windows 98 4.90 Build 3000 . There are some features I would like to see in your program: I've never asked for much, in fact this is the first time I've asked for anything but it's a feature I feel could be extremely useful. After playing with Linux for a while and Kmail in particular there is a feature that I have never come across in any Windows email client. Kmail has a Bounce facility. A simple click on a menu item causes the unwanted mail to be returned as non deliverable including all the relevant headers as detailed in the example below: *Start*** X-Envelope-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.93] helo=rhenium) by mx2.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #41) id 15KcdY-0003Lf-00 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:19:56 +0100 Received: from [213.1.137.1] (helo=linux) by rhenium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #9) id 15KcdX-00072g-00 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:19:55 +0100 To: Tony Boom [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:19:25 +0100 Subject: mail failed, returning to sender From: MAILER-DAEMON References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: E15KcdX-00072g-00@rhenium X-Envelope-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Message log follows: -| no valid recipients were found for this message |- Failed addresses follow: -| [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Message text follows: | Received: from [195.147.246.249] (helo=sand3.global.net.uk) by tantalum.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #9) id 15KcKO-0005Ga-00 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:00:08 +0100 Received: from p0ds09a07.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.233.14]) by sand3.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15KcKL-0002qc-00 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:00:06 +0100 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:58:33 +0100 From: Tony Boom [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.53d) Personal Reply-To: Tony Boom [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Return-Receipt-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Bounce Test. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Tony, Just testing the bounce facility with Kmail. -- ___ Best regards, Tony. © 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] *END* I realize the returned mail will not be entirely anonymous and the X-Envelope-From: is still displayed but I still think it would be useful. Many thanks. Regards, Tony Boom -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Tony On 12 July 2001 at 11:08:03 +0100 (which was 11:08 where I live) Tony Boom wrote Kmail has a Bounce facility. I do this with a OT called bounce. All I have to do is reply to the email and then type in [bounce] Alt + space. However if it is spam I just report it to spamcops. - -- Bye, ___ David |MUA- The 1, The Only, The Bat! | E-mailaholics | _| Win 2K Adv Ser 5.0.2195 SP2 | International | | If we can just avoid any more female advice- Han Solo | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build 06) Comment: PGP Signed, sealed, delivered. iQA/AwUBO016M/mK8eZlD0U0EQIQdgCbBZtq+f5TE3nxbYZmO34+UHf0QLAAoJD8 9sITKpSmxUs7Vibl+vyPq7Bf =GXE1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
This message: 12/07/2001 11:49 GMT. Hello David, A reminder of what David ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on: 12 July 2001 at 11:21:38 GMT +0100 DE I do this with a OT called bounce. All I have to do is reply to the email DE and then type in [bounce] Alt + space. I thought about that and I was desperately hoping someone would reply who had managed it. Would it be at all possible for you to send me (Off list) the complete details of your QT please. If this works to plan then I'll retract my feature request. -- Best regards,Tony.[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.53d S/N A27A5E65 Windows 98 ME 4.90 Build 3000 -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: The Bat! - suggestions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greetings Tony On 12 July 2001 at 11:53:31 +0100 (which was 11:53 where I live) Tony Boom might have written Would it be at all possible for you to send me (Off list) the complete details of your QT please. I thought that you might say that grin . Take out what is in the cut marks this should give you a start. If you want to include things like headers then you can use %headers. Oh and it is ctrl + space not alt + space as I said earlier. I hope that this gives you a start. ==8= This is an automatic reply. Your email did not reach its intended recipient From: %TONAME %TOADDR Subject: %OSUBJ [First few non-blank message lines] %TEXT=20 [End] None of the addresses extracted from the headers within this message match any address known at this domain. Please correct the email address before resending. [EMAIL PROTECTED] %FROM=%FROM=[EMAIL PROTECTED] %REPLYTO=%REPLYTO=[EMAIL PROTECTED] %CLEAR ==8= - -- Thank you for your time, ___ David |MUA- The 1, The Only, The Bat! | E-mailaholics | _| Win 2K Adv Ser 5.0.2195 SP2 | International | | I had a life, then I joined Fidonet.| -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build 06) Comment: PGP Signed, sealed, delivered. iQA/AwUBO02Lh/mK8eZlD0U0EQJDrwCeMBhCByxl1fOAyAaWYX567S9cKj8An08h flr1cKfW8VB4B+xsDkslcv6q =1IKH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
Hei, David Elliott wrote: just 3 comments of mine: %FROM=%FROM=[EMAIL PROTECTED] %REPLYTO=%REPLYTO=[EMAIL PROTECTED] In your case the from address is of course right - but I saw people who used the postmaster address of their email provider. If your own bounce bounces (which is often the case with spam), then the postmaster of your email provider gets the bounce - and causes additional work for him. The three German providers I asked about this topic also said that they will immediately close down the account due to address forgery. So just use postmaster@ or mailer-daemon@ if you own these addresses - normally only the case if you own the domain. Second: Shouldn't the bounce go the the return-path instead of the from address? I'm not sure about that, but it's a way to unsubscribe from mailinglists someone put you on using a freemailer account, which he forwards to you when he or she finished the confirmation messages (%ORETURNPATH). And of course you're completely right when reporting spam to spamcop (or the isp) instead of letting it bounce. -- Regards, Günther German TB! faq, and cut.exe - delete ads in mails http://www.guenther-eisele.de/bat/ TheBat! 1.53d, Windows NT 5.0 -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: The Bat! - suggestions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Günther On 12 July 2001 at 14:11:14 +0200 (which was 13:11 where I live) Günther Eisele might have written just 3 comments of mine: All valid. After a re-install (different PC) I lost that template so the example that I gave I made up. OT Where did my message go !! One interesting point. I have not received my submission to this list so was a little surprised to see a reply !! groan More missing mail - -- Thank you for your time, ___ David |MUA- The 1, The Only, The Bat! | E-mailaholics | _| Win 2K Adv Ser 5.0.2195 SP2 | International | | At the cemetary take bets on how long it takes a body to decompose. | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build 06) Comment: PGP Signed, sealed, delivered. iQA/AwUBO02Wm/mK8eZlD0U0EQJ4kQCaAoTkBunzloo2ZhBbjwwU1++L/qYAoIkN sycwhBZ41042Bdo32IP8/wc+ =XNLt -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
This message: 12/07/2001 13:48 GMT. Hello Günther, Fist off, many thanks to David for your help. A reminder of what Günther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on: 12 July 2001 at 14:11:14 GMT +0200 GE So just use postmaster@ or mailer-daemon@ if you own these addresses - GE normally only the case if you own the domain. GE Second: Shouldn't the bounce go the the return-path instead of the from GE address? GE (%ORETURNPATH). OK, now I'm completely confused! Just exactly what do I need to put for? %FROM=%FROM=[EMAIL PROTECTED] %REPLYTO=%REPLYTO=[EMAIL PROTECTED] Couldn't I just make a couple of bogus From and Reply to addresses? Or even use the original addresses so that it bounces around on the originating server? -- Best regards,Tony.[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.53d S/N A27A5E65 Windows 98 ME 4.90 Build 3000 -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thursday, July 12, 2001, 1:08:03 PM, Tony Boom wrote: Kmail has a Bounce facility. A simple click on a menu item causes the unwanted mail to be returned as non deliverable including all the relevant headers as detailed in the example below: So does Pine :) - -- If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed... ...Oh wait, he already does. __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 06) Comment: Powered by RITlabs' The Bat! iQA/AwUBO0157PFgRjY97rftEQLDNgCdGRuOKsZiahCeX1nrCAB8lVhe5pQAn3ud b+r1n1s2koAlJFpY8b6mpNDD =Gu4J -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
This message: 12/07/2001 14:54 GMT. Hello Silviu, A reminder of what Silviu ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on: 12 July 2001 at 15:20:29 GMT +0300 SC So does Pine :) And so, very efficiently, does The Bat! At least it does with the aid of a simple QT. Pine is a Linux client as well isn't it? -- Best regards,Tony.[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.53d S/N A27A5E65 Windows 98 ME 4.90 Build 3000 -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bounce (previously Re: The Bat! - suggestions)
Hello David Or even use the original addresses so that it bounces around on the originating server? Perhaps - as a suggestion, TB! should ship with (or the website could contain examples of) quick useful templates like this. I'd never of thought of this myself.. but it looks like a great idea. Where should these things be collated? TB! is very powerful, but its macro language approach makes it rather difficult to understand how it can be used. (reg Exp's too) Is there a guru website somewhere which I (+others) can be pointed to. regards, Graham Using The Bat! 1.53d under Windows NT 4.0 (Build 1381, Service Pack 6) -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Bat! - suggestions - CC window title - overall percentage
Hello, Thomas Schuster! TS When the connection center (cc) is active (mail is fetched) TS and minimized the tooltip of the cc just shows Connection TS Center. I suggest to show the percentage completed (of all TS accounts) and the estimated time to complete (maximum of all TS accounts). So one can see the relevant information without TS putting the ccc to the foreground. Great idea. But, please, show this info always, not just when the CC is minimised. -- Best regards,| The Bat! 1.53 RC/2/iKey1000 S/N 14BA1-6DEC1 Andrew | Russian Windows 98 4.10 Build A http://www.mml.nsi.ru/~alovetski/ - small (two languages only) LNG files + LNG file manipulation utility (with sources) to create custom LNG files! -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: The Bat! - suggestions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Dierk On 07 June 2001 at 13:31:14 +0200 (which was 12:31 where I live) Dierk Haasis graced us with these comments With a similar problem - usually using Opera, IE just for backup, TB! always my standard mailer one day had gone; I got to IE, TB! was set as default mailer, I just changed it, okayed it and changed it back and okayed it - it was a good idea to change it and cange it back. If in Add/Remove no MS mailer system is shown, I am at the moment out of my wits for further help. Sorry. Peter Palmreuther sent me a nice little util off list which I can look at all calls to the registry. One file that does something is D:\Program Files\Common Files\System\MSSearch\Bin\mssearch.exe There are others as well all M$. - -- Thanks, ___ David |MUA- The 1, The Only, The Bat! | E-mailaholics | _| Win 2K Adv Ser 5.0.2195 SP2 | International | | Brand-New ... COMM.AID Taglines ## from Johnson Johnson. | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build 05) Comment: PGP Signed, sealed, delivered. iQA/AwUBOx+EA/mK8eZlD0U0EQLcHwCbBmtfs/0MPSUbw25S0NbJpaKvcH0AoKF4 cEQK7kx60guCm7zoE9t0FQPo =r8h3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
Hello David Elliott, On Tue, 5 Jun 2001 at 20:54:28 GMT +0100 (which was 06/06/2001 2:54 GMT +0700 my Local Time) David Elliott=[DE] wrote to RITLABS : DE Problem DE Whenever I start up The Bat! it always asks me if I want to associate .eml DE files with The Bat!. This appears to be a feature of my setup and Service DE Pack 2. DE There is a feature I would like to see in your program: DE Can you set an option to associate all files selected with The Bat! DE silently so that I do not get asked every time I start The Bat!. Weird, it happens to me only once, the first time install or upgrade The Bat!. Are you touch any registry ? -- Best regards, - Syafril - URL: http://www.dutaint.co.id / http://www.dutaint.com Riding The Bat! 1.53 RC/1 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
The Bat! - suggestions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello The Bat! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.53 RC/1 Serial Number D961420C under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2. Problem Whenever I start up The Bat! it always asks me if I want to associate .eml files with The Bat!. This appears to be a feature of my setup and Service Pack 2. There is a feature I would like to see in your program: Can you set an option to associate all files selected with The Bat! silently so that I do not get asked every time I start The Bat!. - -- Regards, ___ David |MUA- The 1, The Only, The Bat! | E-mailaholics | _| Win 2K Adv Ser 5.0.2195 SP2 | International | | Oxymoron: Passive confrontation | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build 05) Comment: PGP Signed, sealed, delivered. iQA/AwUBOx04+vmK8eZlD0U0EQIYDACfdVUfZcqTSXLJLUoGr9UNr+hZU0YAoPNm GjH8i15BYdkdvLL2I56X0+RW =lZh0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
Hello Lija, on Sonntag, 3. Juni 2001 18:03:59 you wrote: TS The news reader Agent has a configuration option, called TS Single-Key read skips to next unread message body which would TS IMO be an improvement to TheBat. ... Well, almost the same wishes/report as mine. We're in very good mood today for giving suggestions, aren't we? :) IMO more of Agent's user interface should be implemented (configuration options), especially when TheBat 2.0 has to compete to Agent. I am using Agent a lot and I only switched to TheBat (email-only) because Agent doesn't handle multiple accounts and folders in folders very well. Maybe Agent 2.0 will have an improvement in these parts -- Bye Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
Hello Andrew, on Sonntag, 3. Juni 2001 18:17:47 you wrote: Hello, Thomas Schuster! TS 3. I'd like to have the keyboard focus in the message pane TS after having selected a folder in the folder pane. This will make the selecting of a folder by keyboard IMPOSSIBLE. You are right. This one is not so important for me especially when suggestion #1+#2 is implemented . My motivation for my suggestions is my way of reading messages: - download messages from server - select a folder with unread messages (mouse) - select any message in the message pane (because I can't expand threads when the focus is on the folder pane) - press CTRL-* (to expand threads) - select first message in the message pane (use scroll bar) - press CTRL-RIGHTARROW to jump to first unread message - read message with SPACE - press CTRL-RIGHTARROW to jump to next unread message (or press SPACE if next message is unread) repeat In Agent this is: - download news from server - select topmost group (folder) - read first unread message by pressing SPACE, the message pane expands threads automatically. SPACE jumps to the next folder with unread messages, too. (Configuration option: Skipping to next unread message jumps to first unread message in next group (uncheck to return to Groups+Folders pane when done with a group) IMO should TheBat look at Agent and get a little bit of it's user interface. (especially when TheBat V2.0 will try to compete with Agent). -- Bye Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
Hello Januk, on Montag, 4. Juni 2001 04:35:32 you wrote: Hello Andrew, Historians believe that Sun, 3 Jun 2001 at 20:17 GMT +0400 was when, Andrew K. Lovetski [AKL] typed the following: TS 3. I'd like to have the keyboard focus in the message pane TS after having selected a folder in the folder pane. AKL This will make the selecting of a folder by keyboard IMPOSSIBLE. Well, you could select the folder by hitting space or enter. Of course, that's not much different than hitting TAB. After trying a little bit I found something which I believe is a little bug in the handling of SPACE after having selected a folder: the current message which is scrolled by hitting SPACE is not selected (try CR to edit this message). But the next message which is reached by SPACE will be selected and CR to edit this message works. Try: - select an other folder in the folder pane (mouse) - the current message won't be selected (try CR, but CTRL-F5 works..) - read the message by pressing SPACE until the next message is reached. This one is highlighted and can be opened by CR. The focus is now in the message pane -- Bye Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
Hello Thomas, On Mon, 4 Jun 2001 10:43:03 +0200GMT (04/06/2001, 16:43 +0800GMT), Thomas Schuster wrote: TS IMO should TheBat look at Agent and get a little bit of it's user TS interface. I am not entirely sure this is the philosophy we want to follow. There are certainly good programs out there and it is never wrong to look right and left. Agent has some interesting features, so do other programs. But to model an interface after another application shan't be the right way, even if you feel that TB should be like an application you have personally grown familiar with. ;-) TS (especially when TheBat V2.0 will try to compete with Agent). No, Agent will try to keep up with TB. So will many other apps. Let's not follow what one particular newsreader does, let's continue to set milestones and standards for email clients. :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.52f under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 with a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: The Bat! - suggestions
Hello Thomas, On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, at 11:00:28 (your local time), you wrote: TS IMO more of Agent's user interface should be implemented (configuration TS options), especially when TheBat 2.0 has to compete to Agent. I absolutely agree with you. TS I am using Agent a lot and I only switched to TheBat (email-only) TS because Agent doesn't handle multiple accounts and folders in folders TS very well. Yes indeed, I also use Agent for a long time. TS Maybe Agent 2.0 will have an improvement in these parts Speaking about, Forte Inc.'s development is very slw, and no responds at all! Pretty similar situation as with RIT's... :) -- Sincerely, Lija Using The Bat! v1.53 Beta/11 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 3 -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
On Monday June 4, 2001 at 1:43:03 AM, Thomas Schuster wrote: IMO should TheBat look at Agent and get a little bit of it's user interface. (especially when TheBat V2.0 will try to compete with Agent). By user interface do you mean the graphical user interface (GUI)? I hope not, as Agent hasn't undergone a face-lift in years, and in fact I think Agent's development is dead. Besides, I group Agent along with Pegasus as having the most boring, tired, worn out looking GUI's I've ever seen. Let's hope TB! never competes with Agent in that regard. ;o) -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- SecureBat! v1.53/iKey1000 | Win 98 SE | GnuPG v1.0.6 __ -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
Hello Andrew, Historians believe that Sun, 3 Jun 2001 at 20:17 GMT +0400 was when, Andrew K. Lovetski [AKL] typed the following: TS 3. I'd like to have the keyboard focus in the message pane TS after having selected a folder in the folder pane. AKL This will make the selecting of a folder by keyboard IMPOSSIBLE. Well, you could select the folder by hitting space or enter. Of course, that's not much different than hitting TAB. One bug that is especially annoying lately is the HTML focus bug. The focus is lost when switching to an HTML message with HTML autoview on. This one bugs me a lot. Oh, and I also wish HTML auto-view could be set on a per-folder basis. But that's not an urgent wish. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Using The Bat! 1.53 Beta/11 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A I had a really great tagline to put here, but I can't remember what it was. -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions : List Response/Reply
Hello David Elliott, On Wed, 30 May 2001 at 08:32:00 GMT +0100 (which was 30/05/2001 14:32 GMT +0700 my Local Time) David Elliott=[DE] wrote to Syafril Hermansyah on TBBETA : Description : List Reply will overwrite default Reply Template : *no* Reply Counter, *not use* FROM Name and *not use* Quote Style. DE I have created a group in my address book to take care of this with AB DE templates. You stripping out my quote :-) : SH ...for TB! Expert will have no problem to change the Template SH following Mailing List rule, but TB! newbie... IMHO, if newbie using TB! for List Posting, and they get bad impression or bashing by other member, perhaps they will not try anymore. You are expert user :-) and you strip this : SH I noticed that Reply Counter giving Thread Problem for some Mailer SH (such Pegasus 3.x), FROM Name also give problem for Pine or Mutt SH user, Quote Style also make color code not work for some Mailer. Your template use Real Name on ListList_Address instead of List_Address only :-) If the ListServer follow RFC-2369, get the Reply-To: from List-Post: header. DE That is a big if. That's why make it as options (special note), the default (main suggestion) is No FROM Name (just list address), No Reply Counter and No Quote Style. -- Best regards, - Syafril - URL: http://www.dutaint.co.id / http://www.dutaint.com Riding The Bat! 1.53 Beta/11 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions: PGP Handling
On May 28, 2001, at 11:20:40 AM, Thomas wrote: Aha, the Promotion of PGP Signatures approach. Well sure, I want to promote the use of both PGP and GPG, and I fear that your proposal... although I understand your intent... will lead to many New Users simply utilising the approach you suggest and turning everything off. Out of sight... out of mind. We will have to agree to disagree, as I think in your face is an intrusion. Okay, I can see where this thread is heading, and should really be taken off List. -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- [ TheBat! v1.53/Beta 8 | Win 98 SE 4.10 ] [ PGP 7.1 (Build 174) | Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE ] __ -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: The Bat! - suggestions: PGP Handling
On Monday, May 28, 2001, 2:06:04 PM, Nick Andriash wrote: Aha, the Promotion of PGP Signatures approach. Well sure, I want to promote the use of both PGP and GPG, and I fear that your proposal... although I understand your intent... will lead to many New Users simply utilising the approach you suggest and turning everything off. Out of sight... out of mind. If people need pgp, they will use it. TheBat! is supposed to be an e-mail client, not a propaganda vehicle. I'd think if anything the extra clutter when not needed is more of a turnoff than an encouragement. -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.53 Beta/11 on Windows 98 version 4,90 -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions: PGP Handling
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Allie, On Sat, 26 May 2001 11:18:49 -0500 GMT (27/05/2001, 00:18 +0800 GMT), A Curtis Martin wrote: T I think some improvements with regards to the handling of PGP would be T in order. I like the way TB can already handle PGP via the plug-in, but T some little suggestions come to mind: ACM Those are great suggestions Thomas. :-) Thanks. Maybe we even get a reply from Ritlabs... ;-) - -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Lost: small apricot poodle. Reward. Neutered. Like one of the family. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.53 Beta/8 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using a Celeron 366 MHz, 128MB RAM -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i Comment: Key ID: 0x79493AEC iQA/AwUBOw/4IGkcopp5STrsEQI36QCeKUIOz6hYKJTfZsFmDgoBepZReW8AoJjI iXHD7hwPE7RHSC6SmgALX3kA =QdLk -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions: PGP Handling
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Thomas On 26 May 2001 at 20:39:08 +0800 (which was 13:39 where I live) Thomas rearranged electrons to get There are some features I would like to see in your program: I think some improvements with regards to the handling of PGP would be in order. I like the way TB can already handle PGP via the plug-in, but some little suggestions come to mind: 1.) When PGP-signing a message, the last space in the signature delimiter is lost IMHO this is a bug. 2.) When a PGP-encrypted received message is decrypted, a lot of the headers are lost, IMHO this is a BIG bug and should be fixed. This one causes me no end of problems. 3.) Whether or not the encrypted message is saved to disk at all, should be the choice of the user. Nice idea. 4.) An option to automatically check signature and automatically decrypt every message upon opening it. I like the decrypt one, however I can see a problem with the check one to to with PGP going off to the keyserver every time it see an key that it does not have then does it import it to your key ring 5.) An option (ON by default) to make the PGP signature invisible. In the message body, only the actual message minus the PGP stuff should be shown. There should be a little icon in the grey header area when a message is PGP signed. Prefer not or at least I would have it off i.e. I would see the body message as it is. 6.) The icon mentioned in number 5 could be in different colours, depending on whether the signature is valid/invalid/could not be checked/the key agaisnt which it was checked is trusted/not trusted etc. However 6 with 5 sounds interesting. Some good ideas there and some bugs highlighted (again !!) - -- Good Bye, ___ David | MUA:- The Bat! 1.53 Beta/8 | E-mailaholics | _| Windoze 98 se 4.10. A | International | | * -- Tribble -- Tribble at a Weight Watchers meeting | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build 05) iQA/AwUBOxB5svmK8eZlD0U0EQLCNACdG8N5LF9COC9lVhNOCpmgWUOwqUcAmwfv /LxXDqdggG2391Cn43CO1F3c =xnra -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
The Bat! - suggestions
Hello The Bat! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.53 Beta/4 Serial Number 507E4166 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1. There are some features I would like to see in your program: When I jump across folders with CTRL+], and I end up in a folder which has subfolders, they are autoexpanded in all cases (even if the subfolders have no new messages). It would be much nicer if the Nth level folder would expand only if I jump to one of its subfolders. Regards, SyP -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
OT: Re: The Bat! - suggestions
Hello TBBETA, I wrote on 5/14/2001, 8:03 PM. Not that it matters much to me, but my original CC: line was The Bat! Beta [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Notice the extra space. -- Cheers, SyP Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves. (George Gordon Noel Byron 1788-1824) -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On April 17, 2001, at 8:35:21 PM, Brian Clark wrote: There are some features I would like to see in your program: The detection of hyper-links within quoted text (clickable). Yes, you have my vote on this one. I think I'll send in a duplicate so that my vote is counted properly. :o) Nick ___ -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- [ TB! v1.52 Beta 1 | Win 98 SE 4.10 A ] [ PGP 7.0.4 | Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE ] ___ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0.4 Comment: Join PGP-Basics: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBOt2UY8UChHR7o/3OEQJ8AACgsm3GPpeFg5oDD/ZjYSCPxRzO02IAoOho yAeqtdA85+i3UPceKJXkog33 =CzZf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
The Bat! - suggestions
Hello The Bat! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.52 Beta/7 Serial Number 1769ED84 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A . There are some features I would like to see in your program: The detection of hyper-links within quoted text (clickable). Regards, Brian Clark -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
The Bat! - suggestions
Hello The Bat! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.49e Serial Number 1769ED84 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A . There are some features I would like to see in your program: I'd love to see these useful macros: %UCFirst: Uppercase first letter of word. %UCWords: Uppercase first letter of every word. -- Brian Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Architect, Designer, and Programmer PGP is spoken here: 0xE4D0C7C8 -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Brian, On Thursday, February 08, 2001 at 13:32:00 -0500, Brian Clark [BC] wrote concerning 'The Bat! - suggestions': BC I'd love to see these useful macros: BC %UCFirst: Uppercase first letter of word. BC %UCWords: Uppercase first letter of every word. Maybe a stupid question: What do you mean with that macro's? - -- Best regards, David ** I am Pooh of Borg: I think I'll assimilate a little something today. ** -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOoMCvlK9yf5+yp9NEQJ+kwCeNRB5xp6Tscv1GQE+ektzUbHPX2sAn2HX /yQMK+rJVOEvf5At0FUHLfWP =7krk -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
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Hi David, @ 4:33:54 PM on 2/8/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BC %UCFirst: Uppercase first letter of word. BC %UCWords: Uppercase first letter of every word. Maybe a stupid question: What do you mean with that macro's? It's not a stupid question at all. Here's an example: "ian go" [EMAIL PROTECTED] And my template reply template has: Hi %OFromFName, When I hit reply, it's going to look something like: Hi ian, Which, IMO, is sloppy. Yes, one can arrow up and cap the I, but this is The Bat!. If I had %UCFirst, I could just do: Hi %UCFirst='%OFromFName', And I'm sure someone down the road will find something else useful for those two macros. Same goes for %UCWords for those who display full names in their introductions (Ie. On Thursday, February 08, 2001 at 13:32:00 -0500, Brian Clark [BC] wrote concerning 'The Bat! - suggestions') Just opinions/wishes. 'Not the end of the world. :) -- Brian Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Architect, Designer, and Programmer PGP is spoken here: 0xE4D0C7C8 [TB! 1.49e, Windows 98 (SE) 4.10 Build A] -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: The Bat! - suggestions
Hi, "The same procedure as last week?" "The same procedure as every week." g :- -- Florian http://www.thebat.de German mailing list: http://liste.thebat.de German discussion board: http://forum.thebat.de -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
On 04-01-2001 at 20:43:21GMT +0100 (which was 19:43 where I live) MaXxX wrote regarding the subject of "The Bat! - suggestions" Hello MaXxX, MaXxX I meant a simple telling the testers what was MaXxX added and what was touched: "New features: backup option; modified pieces of MaXxX code: adding new accounts, reading existing account files, account preferences" MaXxX - so that the testers can actually get to the testing, apart from simply MaXxX testing the program. How many bugs can the betatesters find, if with every new MaXxX versions they're told to test EVERYTHING all over again?? I think THIS is the main issue here. We should be informed of WHAT they want us to test. As it is we have to play around and find out ourselves what's new (at least most of the time). Regards -- Manfred ___ using TheBat 1.49 Beta/2 (1.49 Beta/2)on Windows 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1, RC 1.1 "You keep outta this! He doesn't have to shoot you now!" -- Bugs -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
The Bat! - suggestions
Hello The Bat! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.48h Serial Number C6E94B7C under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1. There are some features I would like to see in your program: 1. Possibility to set the length of the history list and to disable/enable it completely. 2. A separate history list for *EACH* account. Regards, Florian Effenberger -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
Hello Krister, On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:41:46 +0100GMT (15/12/2000, 17:41 +0800GMT), Krister Ekstrom wrote: BC It'd be awful nice if you guys would automatically force that BC little box into the background (or minimized) so that the Keyboard BC Cowboy's in your user-base can get on with other things. :) KE Maybe a radio button group to let us choose whether KE we would like the msg indicator in the foreground or background. I would be happy if the send/receive indicators remembered their last state: minimized or foreground. I have the feeling that when you check manually (alt-F2), these boxes will always come to the foreground, even though BTW I noted that when I minimize it, it will show the percentage of how much is sent (or received) already, but if I don't minimize it, I will not see the percentage in the task bar. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.47 Halloween Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 with a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
The Bat! - suggestions
Hello The Bat! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.48d Serial Number FE1905D5 under Windows 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1, RC 1.1 There are some features I would like to see in your program: Copy the column (anf other) settings from one folder to another folder and/or create copies of folders (with/without the mails). Regards, Manfred Ell -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
The Bat! - suggestions
Hello The Bat! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.48d Serial Number C6E94B7C under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1. There are some features I would like to see in your program: Please allow some other fonts to be scaleable (log status bar, message header panel) - I am half blind (strong glasses) and such a feature would be nice ;-) Regards, Florian Effenberger -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: %ORG macro, (was Re: The Bat! - suggestions)
Hello Quin, On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 at 11:34:54 GMT -0700 (which was 10:34 AM where I live) witnesses say Quin Selman typed: I was mailing the messages to myself at another destination address. But I get the same results in the outbox, prior to actual sending, as I do after sending. Right, the bug is that a NULL organisation gets replaced with the account default when the message hits the outbox. Enable the Organisation field in the message editor and see what happens when you apply the %ORG="" macro. The organisation does get cleared. Here's something else I found: I removed the default organization from Account Preferences. Then %ORG="New Organization" will insert whatever you want from the template. And %ORG="New Organization"%ORG="" will give no organization in the message. That makes sense given the above. Likewise, if there is a default organization in Account Preferences, the macros %ORG="New Organization"%ORG="" will yield the default. Right, you're seeing the same behaviour. Not sure just what to make of all that. What are we saying is the "correct" behavior? None of the above. The macro works right, the account isn't accepting what you're telling it. There is a bug, it is just slightly different than what you're thinking. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Using The Bat! 1.48 Beta/12 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: %ORG macro, (was Re: The Bat! - suggestions)
ME In my account props I have Organization defined. I then have %ORG="" in my ME reply filters of certain folders. If I put %ORG="" the organization is ^ You write here Reply Filters the %org="xyz" Macro must be set in the Templates are you doing this or are you trying to change something in the wrong place? ME unchanged, if I put %ORG="-" it is changed to - as expected. -- MFG / Best regards, Thomas Speer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: %ORG macro, (was Re: The Bat! - suggestions)
On 13-12-2000 at 14:53:06GMT +0100 (which was 13:53 where I live)
Thomas Speer wrote regarding the subject of "%ORG macro, (was Re: The Bat! -
suggestions)"
ME In my account props I have Organization defined. I then have %ORG="" in my
ME reply filters of certain folders. If I put %ORG="" the organization is
Thomas ^
Thomas You write here Reply Filters the %org="xyz" Macro must be set in the
Thomas Templates are you doing this or are you trying to change something in
Thomas the wrong place?
Hello Thomas,
Sorry for the confusion, I have the macro in the quick-templates, which I
use for the folders, i.e. in my Tbbeta folder I have the following as reply
template: %QINCLUDE="Replylist"
The templates looks like:
Replylist:
--start--
%QINCLUDE="ReplyHeaderList"
%SETPATTREGEXP="^.*(?=[^\S\n])|^.*"Hello %REGEXPMATCH="%TONAME",
%Cursor
%QINCLUDE="TheBat"
%QINCLUDE="Subject"
end--
ReplyHeaderList:
--start--
%SETPATTREGEXP="(?m-s)Date\:\s*?((.*?[\d]{4})\s*?([\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2})\s*?(.*))"%REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%HEADERS"On
%ODATESHORT at %SUBPATT="3"GMT%SUBPATT="4" (which was %OTIME where I live)
%OFROMNAME wrote regarding the subject of
"%setpattregexp="(?i)\A\:?(\s*\[.*\])?(\s*(re|ha|rcpt|fwd|fw)(\[\d*\])?:\s*)*(.*)"%RegExpBlindMatch="%OSubj"%SubPatt='5'"
%ORG=""
%QINCLUDE="QuoteStyle"
%QINCLUDE="Quotes"
end--
QuoteStyle:
--start--
%quotestyle='=%ABOFROMFIRSTNAME="%OFROMFNAME"'
end--
Quotes:
--start--
%quotes="%SETPATTREGEXP=""(?is)(^-BEGIN PGP
SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(-*?\s*?--\s*\n|_{40,}\s*\n|-BEGIN PGP
SIGNATURE.*s?\n|-+\s*eGroups.*~-~.*-*_-)|\z)""%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=""%text""%SUBPATT=""3"""
end--
TheBat:
--start--
using TheBat %THEBATVERSION on Windows %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build
%WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION
end--
Subject:
--start--
%subject="Re:
%setpattregexp=""(?i)\A\:?(\s*\[.*\])?(\s*(re|ha|rcpt|fwd|fw|sv)(\[\d*\])?:\s*)*(.*)""%RegExpBlindMatch=""%OSubj""%SubPatt=""5"""
end--
I like the templates to be modular like this, because when I want to change
something in a "module template" it changes automagically in all templates
which use it.
So far as I can see everything is OK. But the %ORG="" is ignored, or to be
precise:
When I create the reply message the macro works as the organization field
(which I have turned on in the view menu) is blanked. BUT once I send the
message the default organization is put again in the field, i.e. the
message in the outbox and after sending in the sent-folder has the
organization filled in.
If I change the above macro to read %ORG="-" everything works as it should.
The same happens when I test this in another account, which has NO macros
defined whatsoever.
Sorry for this long message but I hope I've covered all for you to
understand.
Regards
--
Manfred
using TheBat 1.48 Beta/11 on Windows 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1, RC 1.1
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Re: The Bat! - suggestions
Hello David, On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:36:28 + GMT (11/12/2000, 20:36 +0800 GMT), David Elliott wrote: DE There is a macro called '%SIGNCOMPLETE' can there be an opposite one. %SignINcomplete? -- Cheers, Thomas. -I know you think you understood what I said, but what you heard was not what I meant. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.48 Beta/11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using a Celeron 366 MHz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Thomas, On 11 December 2000 at 23:26:52 +0800 (which was 15:26 where I live) Thomas Fernandez wrote and made these points: DE There is a macro called '%SIGNCOMPLETE' can there be an opposite one. %SignINcomplete? ROTFLMAO :-))! - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: http://www.silverstones.com/MarckPGP.asc ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.48 Beta/11 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOjT6JTnkJKuSnc2gEQImlACgtED09KuLL37wWgJx+KuKqr1Vpt0AniwK nrZrTMDsfQ8nBOVhpxzYIbtO =ucAs -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions sent in by customers of http://www.TheBat.de
Hello Florian, On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 18:01:28 +0100 GMT (06/12/2000, 01:01 +0800 GMT), Florian Effenberger wrote: FE There are some features the customers of http://www.TheBat.de would FE like to see in your program: FE 1. FE When replying, only the marked text should be quoted. Although there FE is a menu item, it would be more comfortable if it was automatically FE used. Hit crtl-F4 instead of the Reply button. One click or another click... FE 2. FE PGP messages should be saved ENcrypted, but should be TEMPORARY FE DEcrypted automatically whenever you double click on them. You can use crtl-D instead of double-clicking. It will also save the decrypted message, which you can delete, but seeing how long decrypting takes, some people would prefer this. FE 4. FE In the message list, the date and time should be separated into two FE separate colums. Costs a lot of screen space. FE 5. FE The "from" column should be able to show only e-mail address or FE name+e-mail address as well. Maybe by introducing a separate column. The email address would be not so bad an idea, if it is an extra column that you don't need to activate, if you don't want to. ;-) FE 6. FE The "size" column should be "intelligent" and use KB, MB and so on. How long are your mails? MB size is the exception over here. FE 7. FE New option: when replying to a message, the original message window FE should be closed automatically. Optional. FE 13. FE Aliases should be auto-completed as well in the "To:" field. Isn't there a keyboard shortcut for that already? FE 14. FE Using an empty subject line, "(No Subject)" should be set FE automatically. Yeah. FE 15. FE The cursor in the editor should not be "able" to move beyond the FE maximum line length/word wrap border. It should. Beauty of the free caret thingy. But then, this is an editor feature, and external editors will be allowed in v2. -- Cheers, Thomas. On the menu of a Swiss restaurant: Our wines leave you nothing to hope for. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.48 Beta/9 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using a Celeron 366 MHz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: The Bat! - suggestions sent in by customers of http://www.TheBat.de
Hi Thomas, FE 1. FE When replying, only the marked text should be quoted. Although there FE is a menu item, it would be more comfortable if it was automatically FE used. Hit crtl-F4 instead of the Reply button. One click or another click... Does not work :-( FE 6. FE The "size" column should be "intelligent" and use KB, MB and so on. How long are your mails? MB size is the exception over here. I receive messages with some KB ;-) -- Florian http://www.TheBat.de -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: The Bat! - suggestions sent in by customers of http://www.TheBat.de
At 06:48 PM 05/12/00 +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote: FE 1. FE When replying, only the marked text should be quoted. Although there FE is a menu item, it would be more comfortable if it was automatically FE used. Hit crtl-F4 instead of the Reply button. One click or another click... Does not work :-( I believe F4 is the button for replying only to quoted text. What I did was program the wheel button on my mouse for F4, so that all I had to do was highlight the part I wanted to quote, then tap on the wheel button. :o) Nick N.J. (Nick) Andriash [Eudora 5.0.2 | PGP.7.0 | Win 98 SE] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE _ -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions sent in by customers of http://www.TheBat.de
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Florian, On 05 December 2000 at 18:01:28 +0100 (which was 17:01 where I live) Florian Effenberger wrote and made these points: 1. When replying, only the marked text should be quoted. Although there is a menu item, it would be more comfortable if it was automatically used. Ctrl-F4 or Shift-Click the reply button to do this. 2. PGP messages should be saved ENcrypted, but should be TEMPORARY DEcrypted automatically whenever you double click on them. A reasonable idea but it doesn't fit with the way TB handles these things. I'd rather see the development effort directed toward V2 than into changes of this ilk. 3. Messages containing a PGP Public Key / Keyprint / Signature and/or are PGP encrypted should be marked in the message view. This can be easily done with Colour Grouping and filters. 4. In the message list, the date and time should be separated into two separate colums. I disagree. They are not separable but form a complete stamp. 5. The "from" column should be able to show only e-mail address or name+e-mail address as well. Maybe by introducing a separate column. I wouldn't want it and it would mean breaking TB's current functionality of showing the "real name" by default and address if not present. 6. The "size" column should be "intelligent" and use KB, MB and so on. That doesn't seem a bad idea. 7. New option: when replying to a message, the original message window should be closed automatically. I disagree completely. This requests makes the assumption that the window is a "message window". It isn't - it's a folder view with many messages in it. It would be bad form to decide that the folder has no further use when a single message in it has been replied to. 8. When selecting "tray icon", The Bat! should be there ALL THE TIME, not only when minimizing. Aha! One I agree with!!! g 13. Aliases should be auto-completed as well in the "To:" field. I don't quite understand what you mean by "aliases". Do you mean "Handles"? Are you talking about auto-completion (which comes from the To: history list) or Ctrl-Plus completion (which pulls from the address book). Handles are auto-completed when tabbing out of the address field. 14. Using an empty subject line, "(No Subject)" should be set automatically. Definitely not. I send messages with blank subject lines to control this list server. I don't want to keep editing it out. 15. The cursor in the editor should not be "able" to move beyond the maximum line length/word wrap border. N!! Don't take away my beloved free-caret! That would remove the ability to type in columns or have justified paragraphs. - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: http://www.silverstones.com/MarckPGP.asc ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.48 Beta/9 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOi0uIjnkJKuSnc2gEQJ0PQCeN6TdwmW2pSurvTP/80mXIkfOneEAoKU/ 2h1xWoT9AGEdrQwqC2Ru8Avq =0MgG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions sent in by customers of http://www.TheBat.de
On 05-12-2000 at 20:05:59GMT +0100 (which was 19:05 where I live) Florian Effenberger wrote regarding the subject of "The Bat! - suggestions sent in by customers of http://www.TheBat.de" Hope you had fun translating the message of Mr. Alexander Wild FE Sure I had, there is absolutely no problem with that. We do care about FE our customers instead of ignoring them like some other companies do... Hello Florian, I also can't understand what Dieter's problem is. But he sometimes has this "sarcastic sound" to his postings. Regards -- Manfred using TheBat 1.48 Beta/9 on Windows 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1, RC 1.1 A problem with Spitting Mail is Drooling Taglines -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
The Bat! - suggestions
Hello The Bat! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.48 Beta/9 Serial Number under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1. There are some features I would like to see in your program: I would like to have a macro which asks the user something in a dialogue box. Example: %SUBJECT="Your invoice number '%ASK="Please enter invoice number:"'" Regards, Florian Effenberger -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Thread watchers (was: The Bat! - suggestions)
Hello Ming-Li, On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:27:32 -0700 GMT (11/10/2000, 20:27 +0800 GMT), Ming-Li wrote: How long do other programs "kill" or "watch" the thread? ML As long as the thread lives. Quesstion: how long is that? ML In Agent, there's no special database for this. When retrieving new ML headers (or whole messages, depending on the settings of the group) ML for a newsgroup, it checks against the messages in your local ML database (of the group), and ignores any new message belonging to ML any killed thread. So you can say it probably makes up a virtual ML database on the fly of all the message IDs of killed and watched ML threads of a particular group when it's retrieving new headers. So it checks for each new message coming in whether this thread already exists somewhere in the message base and has been marked "ignore"? This can be awfully slow when you have thousands of messages, if I understand you correctly. [Kill thread:] - (BTW we have to find a politically correct word for this g) ML Maybe that's why Agent calls it "Ignore thread". :) Just kidding. I like that word much better. :-) ML Agent ties the terminology with its keyboard shortcut (another point ML I like). So you hit "I" for Ignore, "W" for Watch, and "K" for Keep. ML (Of course, there're toolbar buttons, too.) Oh, the single-letter shortcuts. How I would love them. ;-) ML And Agent use "Kill" filters. I've never had problem with that. Why ML is "kill" politically incorrect in this context? Unfortunately, in this context (computers) it's correct. In politics, or in real life, it is a very brutal word. -- Cheers, Thomas.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Success always occurs in private, and failure in full view. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46d under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using a Celeron 366 MHz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:45:06 +0200, Christian Lange wrote: Signal String: String : ^In-reply-To.+@kasnet\.com$ Location: Kludges Presence: Yes CL wouldn't this still trigger for any reply to someone at your ISP? Yes it would. But it would be extremely unusual for this to be of practical concern. You can restrict the filter by adding other conditions as I Marck and I indicated in subsequent messages. eg: adding: String : Reply-To.*tbudl@ Location: Kludges Presence: yes will restrict the catch only to tbudl messages. You may add even more string matches to cone things down even further. CL IMHO the problem is, that the domain part in hte message ID is taken CL from the email address in the account settings. I think better CL solutions would be to take the doamin from the network settings or CL make it configurable. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Oxymoron: Wicked Good. " Using TB! v1.47 Beta/7 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBOeRyN/AXeSHuB5k3EQJmlQCaAg+hJ0pT1myxdFIuiI05g+o1/yYAmgLO XdS/y9T3rG8qliQHIhCwr3L2 =/LTC -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
Hello Marck, On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:44:50 +0100 GMT (11/10/2000, 20:44 +0800 GMT), Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: MDP The best way to catch a message which is a reply to one of yours in MDP *this* list is to pick up the In-reply-To reference to a formula3 MDP message ID. MDP String Location Presence MDP In-reply-To.*formula3KludgesYes MDP TBUDL@ Recipient Yes You are right, since I am the one receiving the message, my name and my ISP will be in the headers in any case. However, do all clients work with the In-reply-to header, is this standard, or would this filter only work only if the sender uses TB? -- Cheers, Thomas.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Monday is an awful way to spend 1/7th of your life. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46d under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using a Celeron 366 MHz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
Hello, CL wouldn't this still trigger for any reply to someone at your ISP? Yes it would. But it would be extremely unusual for this to be of practical concern. I disagree here. I am on more than one mailing list, with quite active members who share the same ISP. And even though I wouldn't sound an alarm I would like to colour threads I am involved different. - Christian Lange, Berlin -- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:38:10 +0200, Christian Lange wrote: Yes it would. But it would be extremely unusual for this to be of practical concern. CL I disagree here. I am on more than one mailing list, with quite active CL members who share the same ISP. And even though I wouldn't sound an CL alarm I would like to colour threads I am involved different. I said 'unusual', not 'impossible'. :-) Your situation is indeed rather unusual. I agree that in your case the filter wouldn't be selective enough. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "A conclusion is simply the place where you got tired of thinking. " Using TB! v1.47 Beta/7 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBOeR/7/AXeSHuB5k3EQLIZACfcmnxRYqGBtO4N+GIiJZ916BsqZQAoJVP cPJ6JiPENWM08Sf/vcCn3ndU =pyTE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Thread watchers (was: The Bat! - suggestions)
On Wednesday, October 11, 2000, 6:44:22 AM, Thomas wrote: So it checks for each new message coming in whether this thread already exists somewhere in the message base and has been marked "ignore"? This can be awfully slow when you have thousands of messages, if I understand you correctly. In Agent, no. At least I don't feel it. AFAIK, all news messages carry full thread references in the headers (am I right?), so all Agent has to do before retrieving new messages of a group is to quickly scan through all the ignored threads and collect the message IDs of the "leading messages". The leading message of a thread doesn't have to exist. As long as there's one message in the thread exists, you can get the message ID of the leading message from its Reference field. I can certainly imagine other newsreaders opting to store this information in a permanent database. Agent chooses not to, and I haven't feel any performance penalty yet. For TB to implement this, it's more complicated. First of all, not all MUAs implement the Reference field, and TB has to use the In-Reply-To field to thread it. Simply keeping tag of the leading message IDs won't be enough for ignore/watch-ing purposes. Also, TB allows threading by fields other than Reference, and it allows changing threading methods on the fly. If TB wants to do this, it probably has to limit its application to only the "thread by reference" context. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.47 Beta/7 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
Hello A, On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:51:07 -0500 GMT (11/10/2000, 22:51 +0800 GMT), A . Curtis Martin wrote: TF You are right, since I am the one receiving the message, my name and TF my ISP will be in the headers in any case. However, do all clients TF work with the In-reply-to header, is this standard, or would this TF filter only work only if the sender uses TB? ACM Not all clients use it. That's what I'm saying g. While I personally filter only messages "from" myself (to mark them read), not messages "to" myself, I think it would work only if my name actually is in the TO field. In-reply-to cannot be used, unless 1.) everybody uses an email client that uses the ehader, and 2.) everybody uses a different ISP (just see how many people on this list alone are on GMX, Hotmail, or Yahoo to make Christian's point). ACM PS// the double reply in threaded view problem just caught me again. You ACM drop your guard after a period of peace and then whammo, you get bitten. ACM g Really takes the fun out of viewing by thread. :-( I have heard no reply of whether the developers have even acknowledged this rather old and still annoying bug. -- Cheers, Thomas.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "Tomorrow Helen Henry visits the home of a retired Navy Captain and his wife, an exotic U-shaped structure." Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46d under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using a Celeron 366 MHz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Thread watchers (was: The Bat! - suggestions)
Hello Ming-Li, On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 07:59:38 -0700 GMT (11/10/2000, 22:59 +0800 GMT), Ming-Li wrote: So it checks for each new message coming in whether this thread already exists somewhere in the message base and has been marked "ignore"? This can be awfully slow when you have thousands of messages, if I understand you correctly. ML In Agent, no. At least I don't feel it. AFAIK, all news messages ML carry full thread references in the headers (am I right?), so all ML Agent has to do before retrieving new messages of a group is to ML quickly scan through all the ignored threads "Qucikly scan" through the whole message base? ML and collect the message IDs of the "leading messages". The leading ML message of a thread doesn't have to exist. You lost me. I give up. g Maybe I should take a look at Forte's Agent... -- Cheers, Thomas.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "Dear Teacher: Please excuse my daughter's absence for the past week, as she had a case of the fool." Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46d under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using a Celeron 366 MHz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:06:57 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF That's what I'm saying g. While I personally filter only messages TF "from" myself (to mark them read), not messages "to" myself, I think TF it would work only if my name actually is in the TO field. Again, this will not always be the case for discussion list mail. Many of the messages that are replies to mine, do not have my name in the To: field but simply the listserv address. The only way my name will appear in the To: field is if the 'Do not use From name for Reply-To Address' option is disable in the account options, or the special macro %To=""%To="%OFromNameTBUDL%thebat.dutaint.com" is used. TF In-reply-to cannot be used, unless 1.) everybody uses an email TF client that uses the ehader, and 2.) everybody uses a different ISP TF (just see how many people on this list alone are on GMX, Hotmail, or TF Yahoo to make Christian's point). Neither solution is ideal in all instances. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Vuja De - The Feeling You've Never Been Here " Using TB! v1.47 Beta/7 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBOeSIy/AXeSHuB5k3EQLyRQCgtdcTO/IudZ+FHl8qJ75pMDlMck8An2yR YdMW+jWMsvX+L5nb3zJWsYHJ =MmMK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Thread watchers (was: The Bat! - suggestions)
On Wednesday, October 11, 2000, 8:28:08 AM, Thomas wrote: ML In Agent, no. At least I don't feel it. AFAIK, all news ML messages carry full thread references in the headers (am I ML right?), so all Agent has to do before retrieving new messages ML of a group is to quickly scan through all the ignored threads "Qucikly scan" through the whole message base? The index file, not the message base. BTW, most of what I'm saying here are my own observation through the many years of usage. I don't have inside knowledge of how exactly Agent works, except that it creates a data file and an index file for each group. ML and collect the message IDs of the "leading messages". The ML leading message of a thread doesn't have to exist. I mean, Agent doesn't have to keep a list (virtually or physically) a list of all the IDs of all messages in a watched/ignored thread. It needs only the message ID of the message that starts the thread. All follow-up messages will carry that ID in their Reference field, so Agent could spot a new message from that thread simply by looking at the Reference field. You lost me. I give up. g Maybe I should take a look at Forte's Agent... That's even better. If you're serious in getting a newsreader (haven't you got one already?), though, I would suggest you start with Gravity or XNews, both having the same or similar capability. After all, Agent is basically dead. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.47 Beta/7 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: The Bat! - suggestions
Wednesday, October 11, 2000, 3:18:02 PM, you wrote: Hello Marck, On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:44:50 +0100 GMT (11/10/2000, 20:44 +0800 GMT), Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: MDP The best way to catch a message which is a reply to one of yours in MDP *this* list is to pick up the In-reply-To reference to a formula3 MDP message ID. MDP String Location Presence MDP In-reply-To.*formula3KludgesYes MDP TBUDL@ Recipient Yes You are right, since I am the one receiving the message, my name and my ISP will be in the headers in any case. However, do all clients work with the In-reply-to header, is this standard, or would this filter only work only if the sender uses TB? This is the problem I feel, not all mail apps generate an In-Reply-To header line. Some Outlooks don't for instance. This is why threading breaks with TB and Becky, but that's another story :-) So a reply from a user with a "poor" mail app would not generate a sound warning, as far as I can work out. Thanks all for the replies so far. -- Best regards, Chris Wilson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.formula3.freeserve.co.uk -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
On Wednesday, October 11, 2000, 8:35:39 AM, A. wrote: TF In-reply-to cannot be used, unless 1.) everybody uses an email TF client that uses the ehader, and 2.) everybody uses a different TF ISP (just see how many people on this list alone are on GMX, TF Hotmail, or Yahoo to make Christian's point). Neither solution is ideal in all instances. Am I right that message IDs are generated by the MUA? If so, we may suggest TB to use our whole email address, not just the domain, to generate message IDs since the first part of an ID (before "@") may contain letters, not just numbers. Is there any downside to this? -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.47 Beta/7 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Thread watchers (was: The Bat! - suggestions)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:54:59 -0700, Ming-Li wrote: ML That's even better. If you're serious in getting a newsreader ML (haven't you got one already?), though, I would suggest you start ML with Gravity or XNews, both having the same or similar capability. If you're interested in offline reading, then Gravity is the better of the two. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Trust me, I'm a lawyer.. " Using TB! v1.47 Beta/7 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBOeSZtvAXeSHuB5k3EQLt4wCdH+gcr5CL2bZDIdlUhkVSCLAM8hEAn18v fGKnzhMc+8epZRcCwzvg8mKp =CJj8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions: preferences applet
Morning Andrew, Already implemented for address book entries (not groups). Select some entries, right-click and select Properties (or press Alt+Enter). Hey, now that's a good start! Unsatiable as I am, I still wish for a full-fledged applet to assign, save, reapply several options for both folders and address-book entrys . . . -- .. Jast ... mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : using TB 1.42 Beta/17 : with AMD K6-2, 64MB RAM :. on Windows 98 4.10 A -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
The Bat! - suggestions
Hello The Bat! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.42 Beta/17 Serial Number B326FEA6 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A . There are some features I would like to see in your program: To make the new color group feature more powerful, including them in the advanced search options is only sensible. after fixing the bugs associated with this of course |-) Regards, Jast -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
The Bat! - suggestions: preferences applet
Hello The Bat! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.42 Beta/16 Serial Number B326FEA6 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A . There is this feature I requested already - I think we really need it: An applet to easily edit preferences of many folders/accounts/address book entrys etc. at once. The way it is gets way too tedious :-) Regards, Jast -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: The Bat! - suggestions [Random SMTP]
@HOME Saturday, February 05, 2000, 9:57:32 PM, *Alexander V. Kiselev* Wrote: AVK Considering all this, I'd say that the option suggested AVK by you won't be useful for the majority of TB's AVK users;-( [wie]: I don't know my wish is useful or not,.. but i need it! Realized or not I don't know either. I usually using my dial-up ISP Sending Mail [Free ISP TelkomNet], but it's often down,.. so i had to change manually SMTP server to other open relay SMTP [i have a list of open relay smtp at my country],... So i hope TB! can automaticly change the SMTP option when it find that the SMTP Server is down or didn't responding for some second or minute. This is my wish! Thank you for reading my wish... -- Regards, Wie email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] efax : (+1)(801)720-8812 Using The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions [Random SMTP]
Hi there! On 5 Feb 00, at 10:18, Allie Martin wrote about "Re: The Bat! - suggestions [Random ": Considering all this, I'd say that the option suggested by you won't be useful for the majority of TB's users;-( I think that he was speaking about receiving rather than sending mail. I do agree completely with what you said about sending mail using a different SMTP server from the ISP with which you have the e-mail account. AFAIK, you may only download your mail from one SMTP server. You _cannot_ download mail from SMTP server. You _can_ download mail from POP3 or IMAP4 server. SMTP (simple mail transfer protocol) and POP3 (post office protocol, version 3) are two very different daemons that are hearing on completely different ports;-) Since Wie talked about SMTP, I understood that his SMTP is unreliable, and so he wanted to use a "backup" one when the default one wouldn't accept his mail. Maybe I misunderstood him? If he was talking about POP3 rather then SMTP, the solution to his problem exists already. Since you usually may, having connected to ISP "A", download the mail from any number of POP3 servers (including, but not limited to, the POP3 server of ISP "B"), it's as simple as that: just set up as many accounts in TB as many POP3 accounts you've got and use the function "fetch all accounts". That's all. I'd better give you the background of the problem. POP3 and SMTP are very different in the following sense: "bare" SMTP protocol includes no authentication, whereas the POP3 protocol has it (however loosy it is: the login and password are transmitted as plain text, which is a serious security flaw, of course). So the spammers are looking for the open-relay SMTP servers that they may use to *send* spam (they don't need POP3 at all, since they needn't receive anything;-)). Open relay SMTP means, that *everybody*, physically located *everywhere*, is entitled to send anything he wants through this SMTP. Besides, if the spammer uses open relay to send, he cannot be traced back, of course. Technically is works as follows: *if* my own "at work" SMTP, mph.phys.spbu.ru, was an open relay, *you* could simply telnet to it on port 25: telnet mph.phys.spbu.ru:25 Then, after the connection is established, you need nothing but telnet: EHLO CR MAIL FROM [EMAIL PROTECTED] CR . (SMTP will tell you, what to do next;-)) And that's all;-) Open relay SMTP will happily accept all this and send it to the address(es) you supply. But since all that anti-spam campaign began, there exists less and less open relays available on the Net. There exist different authentication procedures used by ISPs. Most popular are: (i) accepting mail only from a given range of IPs (i.e., the SMTP will establish connection only with the users having dialed up the ISP that owns this SMTP server); (ii) POP3 before SMTP (i.e., the user needs to first log on POP3, having shown that he *has* the right to use this server; then, SMTP will accept connection from this IP address); (iii) Modern one: RFC2554 (authentication with username/password). The items (ii) and (iii) above apparently require that these features are supported by your MUA; The Bat! supports both. But since the method (i) is AFAIK much more widely spread then the two others (in fact, most ISPs prefer it to be set this way nowadays), trying to connect to a SMTP of ISP "B" being on dialup connection provided by ISP "A" will usually just fail. Thus the feature suggested by Wie (as I understood it;- )) is hardly usable for the majority of TB's users. Am I right? You may connect to the SMTP server through any ISP's internet connection but you still have to connect to one particular server to get your e-mail. Vice versa;-) This is what Wie said: "Hope TB! Can do automatic checking of the SMTP server so if the SMTP look down or not responding for some second or minutes,.. then TB! automatic change the SMTP server address to another SMTP. [Not when sending mail,.. but when connecting to SMTP server]" -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: If it weren't for Edison, we'd be watching TV by candlelight. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions [Random SMTP]
Allie, On Sunday, February 06, 2000, at 12:18 AM you wrote: AM I think that he was speaking about receiving rather than sending AM mail. I do agree completely with what you said about sending mail AM using a different SMTP server from the ISP with which you have the AM e-mail account. AM AFAIK, you may only download your mail from one SMTP server. Am I AM right? You may connect to the SMTP server through any ISP's AM internet connection but you still have to connect to one AM particular server to get your e-mail. On this basis I'm a bit AM confused about the request which sounded like allowing TB! the AM ability to download mail from an alternate SMTP server if a AM particular SMTP server is down. Upon rereading Wie's wish, I'm not entirely sure what he meant. SMTP (Simple Mail Transfer Protocol) is for sending messages from your machine. POP/APOP/IMAP etc. are for receiving (downloading messages.) Most SMTP servers deny relaying (being logged into one ISP and sending mail through another), so there aren't many that still allow this. With the Anti-SPAM craze going on, I expect even more SMTP servers to begin denying relays as well. There are a few out there that I use for special cases (on trips away from my ISP etc.), but they are few and far in between. Please don't ask for my list, because I won't give it out. I don't want them to stop relaying because too many people use it. The best way to solve this problem is to find a more reliable ISP. This of course is easy in the U.S., but Wie may not from there, and therefore unable to do this. If this is the case, I'd complain every time that the SMTP server is down. Read your contract with the ISP. If they say that you are supposed to have close to 100% up-time on it, hold them to it. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml PGP Key ID: 0x8604279A (DH/DSS) Fingerprint: 9E16 4316 FA42 5DC6 EB1D D0ED D37A 858A 8604 279A Using The Bat! 1.41 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: A broken Window gets you 7 meg. of bad luck -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions [Random SMTP]
Hi there! On 5 Feb 00, at 23:25, Wie wrote about "Re[2]: The Bat! - suggestions [Random SMTP]": AVK Considering all this, I'd say that the option suggested AVK by you won't be useful for the majority of TB's AVK users;-( I don't know my wish is useful or not,.. but i need it! It's not a valid point: the feature must be useful for the majority to be implemented. Besides, there exists another point: if the feature you're after is implemented by RIT labs, The Bat! is likely to become the "mailer of choice" for the *spammers* worldwide. This is _not_ a good advertisement for a MUA, let me assure you;-) I usually using my dial-up ISP Sending Mail [Free ISP TelkomNet], but it's often down,.. so i had to change manually SMTP server to other open relay SMTP [i have a list of open relay smtp at my country],... Where from did you get it? From the spammers conferences or from ORBS directly;-))? So i hope TB! can automaticly change the SMTP option when it find that the SMTP Server is down or didn't responding for some second or minute. I still _don't_ find it useful. It will make the life simplier just for *you* -- and spammers;-) As for the spammers, I don't care about their problems at all. As for you, just consider installing your own SMTP. For example, Mercury/32 would do (it's made by the author of Pegasus, David Harris). MercuryE (if I remember it correctly) module can route the mail itself to the SMTP server of your addressee, FYI. -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: At least fifty percent of the human race doesn't want their mother-in-law within walking distance. ---Margaret Mead's Law of Human Migration --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions [Random SMTP]
Hi there! On 6 Feb 00, at 1:37, Leif Gregory wrote about "Re: The Bat! - suggestions [Random ": [about the open relays] There are a few out there that I use for special cases (on trips away from my ISP etc.), but they are few and far in between. Please don't ask for my list, because I won't give it out. I don't want them to stop relaying because too many people use it. Even better to use the free web service offering the POP3/SMTP access. Here in Russia the best choice IMHO is http://www.mail.ru (or, for English interface, goto http://eng.mail.ru). This server is physically located in Moscow now (GMT +0300), so it might be a good choice for those who live not very far away;-). Such systems make it possible to use their SMTP server not depending on which dialup account (dialup of which ISP) you're using. The best way to solve this problem is to find a more reliable ISP. This of course is easy in the U.S., but Wie may not from there, and therefore unable to do this. If this is the case, I'd complain every time that the SMTP server is down. Read your contract with the ISP. If they say that you are supposed to have close to 100% up-time on it, hold them to it. ;-) Leif, it would be next to impossible here, in St.Petersburg;-) We've got many ISPs here (*I* know up to 20 of them), but neither (except a *very* expensive one) is quite reliable;-( There even exists a joke concerning www.cityline.ru: On the eve of the Armageddon, when the people were in church waiting for the End of the world, the skies suddenly opened and the God's face showed. "My belowed children", -- he started... Then, suddenly, the skies closed again. After a short while, the God revealed himself once again. Frowning severely, he said "%^%%^ Cityline!!!" -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: The Bat! - suggestions [Random SMTP]
Moin Dieter, In such a case it would be better to use an internal mailserver - e.g. Hamster will do an excellent job (and additionally is an NNTP server also)... and it's Freeware. Could ya tell me the URL where I can get this server? I didn't found it in tucows and cnet.com... :-( Does Hamster run also on Win95? thx, Beat -- Always borrow money from a pessimist; they don't expect to be paid back. -- PGP public key available: Send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or get it on keyservers: 0x4E0B0777 (DH/DSS) -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions [Random SMTP]
Hi there! On 5 Feb 00, at 13:01, Allie Martin wrote about "Re: The Bat! - suggestions [Random SMTP]": You _cannot_ download mail from SMTP server. Anyway, I've used POP to both send and receive mail but yes, POP3 cannot be used for sending, it's only for receiving. Even IMAP4 cannot send, it can only receivemanage server-side. The only protocol existing that can be used for sending is SMTP (to say nothing about UUCP, which's both sending/receiving and on which this my account is based in fact;-)) SMTP is only for sending mail. Wie is therefore not being very clear when he says he wants a change of SMTP *not* when sending mail. What else would he be doing with it. Yup, that's why I told in my initial posting in this thread "if i understand you correctly";-) Interestingly, with regards to my two ISP's, if I'm connected to either of them, I can only send messages where my reply address is the e-mail address for that particular account. I can't simply use any e-mail address. I will get the message about this ISP not relaying for others etc. Is this right? It's one of the _stupid_ anti-spam measures that some ISPs exploit heavily. It checks your Reply-To: against what your MUA says in the SMTP session (it needs to introduce you to SMTP server by saying: MAIL FROM [EMAIL PROTECTED] or whatever). If your Reply-To: is not the same as your address as stated in the SMTP envelope, SMTP server thinks it's weird and rejects your message. FYI, when you're _sending_ to AOL, your message can be undelivered if the address in SMTP envelope doesn't equal your address in Reply-To: field. AOL checks for this upon _receiving_ messages from the outer world and just trashes all the messages that don't fit this criteria (it even doesn't generate the rejection message, so you never know was your message delivered or what). Shouldn't I be able to send mail with any e-mail address via SMTP A if I am connected to ISP A? I thought that the relay block kicked in when trying to send mail via SMTP A when connected to ISP B. Yes, but not limited to. Of course, you might want to talk this with your ISP admin, but _usually_ they won't listen to you. Of course, you might wish to tell them that they have no legal right to "read" your messages, which is what they clearly are doing by looking into the Reply-To: field... The result depends on what is stated in your contract with them. -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: A little ignorance can go a long way. ...in the direction of maximum harm. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Re[2]: The Bat! - suggestions [Random SMTP]
Hi there! On 5 Feb 00, at 19:23, Beat Strasser wrote about "Re[2]: The Bat! - suggestions [Random SMTP]": Ah, but that's different! What *you* mean is that if you first dialup+SMTP pair is not responding, you want TB to try dialing another dialup+SMTP pair. That's quite reasonable, and I'd support such a wish if implemented as an option. No, I don't. Sorry, I didn't express myself correctly. I don't wanna TB dial my connections (because I hate these automatic things). I want TB to make the best of my current connection. So, *he* has to change the SMTP server. At the moment, this is me who does the job... very annoying. I have to stress the following idea once more: _if_ you happen to use open relay SMTP, it's in fact dangerous for _you_, since chances are *high* that it's already blacklisted (you might check www.orbs.org and/or www.rbl.org to ensure). And _if_ it is blacklisted, certain percentage of *your* messages probably gets *never* delivered (!!!). The fact that you don't get formal "rejection messages" proves nothing, since the logic is: "if we get a message from a blacklisted server, we denote it as SPAM. If it *is* spam, there is no need to generate a rejection message". This is how AOL and many others work. OTOH, if you _don't_ have access to the open relay SMTP, the feature you are struggling for *will never work for you*. Am I clear here? That would be the great thing. If a mail can't be sent through the first smtp (because it is not responding or you're relaying), TB will try the next server in the list... Why not? Because there is no sense in doing so; because it means that the server logs will get overfilled with "connection unsuccessful" entries -- and your postmaster won't be grateful to you for all that crap _you_ generated; because it means that The Bat! will eventually become the *favourite* tool of _spammers_, which is the worst advertisement one can only think of; finally because the fact that your open relay SMTP server, provided that it's not blacklisted yet, will _get_blacklisted_ in a short time, and you'll loss this functionality anyhow. Enough? If that's not enough, I'll pretend to be Steve Lamb and say "Do Not Do It! It's against the way it is _supposed_ to work!" There exist tools that *do it in the _right_ way*! Goto www.let.rug.nl/pegasus. Download Mercury/32 (it's free). Install and setup it the way _you_ wish. Set TB up to use Mercury as your SMTP server. That's _all_. What can be more simple? And let's finally put the end to this thread here. Just remember: the feature you wish to get is _WRONG_. Do Not Do It! -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: In any household, junk accumulates to fill the space available for its storage. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions [Random SMTP]
On Sat, 5 Feb 2000 23:20:49 +0300, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: Anyway, I've used POP to both send and receive mail but yes, POP3 cannot be used for sending, it's only for receiving. Even IMAP4 cannot send, it can only receivemanage server-side. The only protocol existing that can be used for sending is SMTP (to say nothing about UUCP, which's both sending/receiving and on which this my account is based in fact;-)) Are you sure about that? I did this when I used to use PMMail98Std. In it's accounts setup there was a choice to use either the SMTP or POP for sending mail. You can have a look at a capture of the setup screen at: http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Harbor/2864/cap01.jpg You may also have a look at the receive section for effect: http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Harbor/2864/cap02.jpg shrug I don't know, but what is PMMail doing there?? -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 *:* Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** I distrust camels, and anyone else who can go a week without drinking. ** -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions [Random SMTP]
On Sun, 6 Feb 2000 00:42:08 +0300, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: Okay, I've looked -- but I didn't understand, what they mean by it. On the "Receive" tab they have "SMTP: Path to incoming mail" setting, too. How are they going to *receive* using SMTP??? No idea. What are they writing in the help file, then? Okay. With respect to the send configuration, here's what they said: SMTP - For SMTP sending, make sure the circle next to the SMTP text is filled in by clicking in the circle. Then, fill in the machine name of your networks mail server and type in the port number. If you are unsure, use the default port of 25. POP - To send using the POP Protocol, Type in the POP server, port, user ID and Password just like on the Receive page. Authenticate Using (POP) - You can choose one of three authentication methods. You must have this setting correspond to the authentication method that your Mail Server is using. The most common is plain POP Passwords, however some servers require either APOP or RPA. If you are not sure what to use, contact your Internet Service Provider. Most ISPs and mail servers only support SMTP sending of e-mail. If you get an error, and you are sending via POP, try to send to the same server via SMTP. ==8== I used to send via POP with my current ISP. :) For the receive configuration, this is what they had to say about your query : NOTE: if you fetch your mail over a TCP/IP network or the Internet from a remote mail server, most likely you will need to use POP. If you want this account to Receive e-mail using the SMTP Protocol, click on the circle next to the text SMTP and type in the full hard drive path to the SMTP Inbox. Alternatively, If you want this account to Receive e-mail using the Post Office Protocol (POP), click on the circle next to POP and type in the following information: ==8==\ I guess that clears things up doesn't it? :) -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 *:* Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** It's as easy as 3.14159265358979323846264338327950... ** -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
