Re: The Bat! 3.63.09 and the Outbox Protection Feature
In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : MM When this option is ON, and you click Copy to folder menu item, MM the Outbox folder is not shown in the list. Also, if you try to MM use Drag-And-Drop to copy messages to Outbox, the cursor gets MM prohibited shape. MM Please let us know whether it should be ON by default. MM We have some reports from corporate users that being able to drag MM and drop messages to outbox folder and have them sent is a MM potentially very dangerous feature for corporate users. I rather have the possibility to copy but with the message parked in the destination folder (when the destination is the outbox). This would do much more sense even for corp users. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Frosty the snowman has snow balls ... Current beta is 3.63.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.09 and the Outbox Protection Feature
Hello Thomas Fernandez everyone else, on 11-Dez-2005 at 07:53 you (Thomas Fernandez) wrote: The danger in the corporate world is that messages get sent again and it looks unprofessional. You can drag drop *any* message to the outbox (and edit it!). In a corporate environment, the inside SMTP server may not check the FROM and TO fields and reject those messages. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) The cracking sound of a snapped whip is a mini sonic boom, breaking the sound barrier by attaining speeds of up to 700 miles per hour. Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.63.09 and the Outbox Protection Feature
Hello Thomas, Sunday, December 11, 2005, 2:45:39 AM, you wrote: IAW This is not a real problem as you have to consciously copy the message IAW over to the out box and then send it. TF Imagine you just want to move the message to another folder, and by TF accident drop it in the Outbox. It gets sent at next routine TF send+receive. Personally, I don't run into that problem. However, I often receive messages from people who use Outlook and they want to recall a message due to sending it in error. The common pattern with the recall messages is the user did not check the To or CC fields prior to hitting send. I suspect this new feature would be of assistance to them. Personally, it does not matter to me. Question. Why does the program now ask if I want to save a message prior to sending? Is their a way to turn off this feature. Thanks -- Ethan J. Mings Principal, The Desk 99 Bronte Road - Suite 815 Oakville, Ontario, Canada. L6L 3B7 Phone 905-825-9938 e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website at http://www.thedesk.ca Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.09 and the Outbox Protection Feature
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005, at 08:07:12 [GMT +0100] (which was 8:07 where I live) I myself wrote: I have no problems with my folder views/view modes in Voyager but when I leave/close The Bat! I loose all my folders views :-( Just tested the former version (3.63.08), no problems! -- Henk M. de Bruijn __ The Bat! Natural E-Mail System version 3.63.09 (Beta) Pro on Windows XP SP2 PGPkey at: http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0X11EECBEEB464DD0F Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org A progressive and innovative Web of Trust pgpLIYoUEpJmO.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.63.09 and the Outbox Protection Feature
[ Sunday, December 11, 2005 at 12.22.10 (GMT +0100)] NetVicious, On Sun, 11 Dec 2005, at 05:03:09 [GMT+0100] (which was 11/12/2005, at 5.03 where I live ) you wrote: Not usable here. It has the same error of the first 3.63 beta. If you use OTFE, after the Beta confirm box you will get the Account Creation Wizard. Confirmed :( I have to make a backup with 3.63.08 and restore it in the 3.63.09 ? -- JakeLM® [ http://www.jakelm.it ] Time from your mail and my answer: 7 Hour 19 Min 1 Sec Here my public GPG key: http://www.jakelm.it/0x840D7D5C.asc [Powered by The Bat [3.63.08 (Beta)] The One Mailreader.] Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.09 and the Outbox Protection Feature
On Sunday, December 11, 2005, at 05:03:09 [UTC+0100] (Sunday, December 11, 2005 05:03 my local time) NetVicious wrote: Not usable here. It has the same error of the first 3.63 beta. If you use OTFE, after the Beta confirm box you will get the Account Creation Wizard. Confirmed, this beta has a bug preventing its run in OTFE mode (see mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]). -- Best regards, Zygmunt Wereszczynski (Using The Bat! v3.63.08 (Beta) in OTFE mode with BayesIt! 0.8.4 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4) Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.09 and the Outbox Protection Feature
Hello Maxim, We've implemented Outbox Protection Feature. It is currently OFF by default. If you add Registry DWORD Value CopyToOutboxProhibited=1 to HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!, The Bat! will prohibit copying messages to Outbox from other folders. You will be only able to foward, redirect, etc . messages, which will lead to creation of new messages in Outbox, but you will not be able to copy (or move) messages to Outbox. When this option is ON, and you click Copy to folder menu item, the Outbox folder is not shown in the list. Also, if you try to use Drag-And-Drop to copy messages to Outbox, the cursor gets prohibited shape. Please let us know whether it should be ON by default. If it is going to be an option that can only be changed via RegEdit, then leave it OFF by default. If it is going to be an option in Preferences or Account/Properties, then just flip a coin :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.09 and the Outbox Protection Feature
Hello TheBat Beta List Members!!! Someday, and that was in Sunday afternoon, Peter wrote something like this: MM http://www.RITLabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb36309.rar same procedure as every beta ... It asks me whether I want to create a new account or whether I want to restore a previously made backup. No go - as with every .63 beta version. Have you already tried to fix this? Have you tried to reproduce this with iKey 1000 OTFE? Fully confirmed with eToken Pro. -- Thanks and best regards, Sebastian Murawski Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.09 and the Outbox Protection Feature
Hello Maxim! On Saturday, December 10, 2005, 8:11 PM, you wrote: The new beta URL http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb36309.rar Up and running. [+] CopyToOutboxProhibited 1) No flaws found except the ones already noted by other beta testers in regard to Confirmation and Save message alert box behavior. 2) I prefer that the default state be OFF. 3) I concur with MAU that implementing a DRAFT box separate from the OUTBOX is a desirable and elegant solution to some of the dangers to corporate users (and other users with similar issues). mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.63.09 and the Outbox Protection Feature
domingo, 11 dic 2005 at 12:20, it seems you wrote:
Have you already tried to fix this? Have you tried to reproduce this with
iKey 1000 OTFE?
Confirmed here with an iKey 1000 using OTFE.
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Re[2]: The Bat! 3.63.09 and the Outbox Protection Feature
Howdy Ian, Sunday, December 11, 2005, 7:10:49 AM, Ian wrotened: IAW As far as I am concerned, it should be ON by default. TF You mean, the feature (blocking the Outbox) should be OFF by default, TF don't you? IAW As an example, there are many occasions when it is necessary to IAW re-send a message and the simplest way to do this is to copy it IAW from the Sent Mail folder to the Outbox and re-send it. TF Yes, yes, I use it the same way too. I agree the default should be as TF it is now, which I understand to be OFF. IAW Yep. I fired it off before checking it fully :-( See now if your outbox was blocked. -- Have Fun, Stan the Almighty! [EMAIL PROTECTED] crashing The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) falling out of mid air with Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.70GHz 598 MHz 1.00GB RAM Shoot first, shoot later, shoot again, then when everyone's dead, try to ask a question or two. Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.63.09 and the Outbox Protection Feature
Hello NetVicious, Sunday, December 11, 2005, 4:03:09 AM, you wrote: domingo, 11 dic 2005 at 03:11, it seems you wrote: The new beta URL http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb36309.rar Not usable here. It has the same error of the first 3.63 beta. If you use OTFE, after the Beta confirm box you will get the Account Creation Wizard. Confirmed here as well :( Sean -- +---+ |VOIP= FreeWorldDial: 689482 VOIPBUSTER: thecivvie | |GPG Key http://thecivvie.fastmail.fm/thecivvie.asc | +---+ Strange things happen under the midnight sun when Men and Dogs go hunting for gold To get my public GPG key send me an email with the Subject of GET GPG KEY Listening To: (Winamp is not active ;-) smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.09 and the Outbox Protection Feature
On Sunday, December 11, 2005, 3:11:46, Maxim Masiutin wrote: The new beta URL http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb36309.rar First run: --- The Bat! --- Invalid pointer operation. --- OK --- 10 seconds later: --- The Bat!: thebat.exe - Application Error --- The instruction at 0x referenced memory at 0x. The memory could not be read. Click on OK to terminate the program Click on CANCEL to debug the program --- OK Cancel --- thebat.exe caused an Access Violation at location Reading from location . Registers: eax=032dd8dc ebx=007ad974 ecx=0013efe0 edx=02f3bb88 esi=01a8067d edi=0013f10c eip= esp=0013efc8 ebp=0013efe0 iopl=0 nv up ei ng nz ac po cy cs=001b ss=0023 ds=0023 es=0023 fs=003b gs= efl=00010297 Call stack: 007C6A28 thebat.exe:007C6A28 007C59DB thebat.exe:007C59DB 007864EE thebat.exe:007864EE 00454E06 thebat.exe:00454E06 7739C3B7 user32.dll:7739C3B7 EnableMenuItem 7739C484 user32.dll:7739C484 EnableMenuItem 7739C73C user32.dll:7739C73C GetWindowLongW 7739C778 user32.dll:7739C778 DispatchMessageW 77392B9D user32.dll:77392B9D CallMsgFilterW 7738F122 user32.dll:7738F122 DefDlgProcW 773A1722 user32.dll:773A1722 SoftModalMessageBox 773A1004 user32.dll:773A1004 AppendMenuA 773B1A28 user32.dll:773B1A28 MessageBoxTimeoutW 773D5E47 user32.dll:773D5E47 MessageBoxTimeoutA 773BDD8B user32.dll:773BDD8B MessageBoxExA 773BD923 user32.dll:773BD923 MessageBoxA 00C1089F thebat.exe:00C1089F 00C109B7 thebat.exe:00C109B7 0063DE58 thebat.exe:0063DE58 00C10785 thebat.exe:00C10785 00C106AD thebat.exe:00C106AD 00BDE61A thebat.exe:00BDE61A 00BDF1D3 thebat.exe:00BDF1D3 00C1D9A5 thebat.exe:00C1D9A5 77E523CD kernel32.dll:77E523CD IsProcessorFeaturePresent Second run: --- The Bat! --- Access violation at address 00057365. Read of address 00057365. --- OK --- 10 seconds later: --- The Bat!: thebat.exe - Application Error --- The instruction at 0x007c58fc referenced memory at 0xe1b58c3c. The memory could not be read. Click on OK to terminate the program Click on CANCEL to debug the program --- OK Cancel --- thebat.exe caused an Access Violation at location 007c58fc in module thebat.exe Reading from location e1b58c3c. Registers: eax=039b73e4 ebx=007c58cd ecx=e1b58c00 edx=139b esi= edi=0013effc eip=007c58fc esp=0013f008 ebp=0013f058 iopl=0 nv up ei pl zr na po nc cs=001b ss=0023 ds=0023 es=0023 fs=003b gs= efl=00010246 Call stack: 007C58FC thebat.exe:007C58FC 007864EE thebat.exe:007864EE 00454E06 thebat.exe:00454E06 7739C3B7 user32.dll:7739C3B7 EnableMenuItem 7739C484 user32.dll:7739C484 EnableMenuItem 7739C73C user32.dll:7739C73C GetWindowLongW 7739C778 user32.dll:7739C778 DispatchMessageW 77392B9D user32.dll:77392B9D CallMsgFilterW 7738F122 user32.dll:7738F122 DefDlgProcW 773A1722 user32.dll:773A1722 SoftModalMessageBox 773A1004 user32.dll:773A1004 AppendMenuA 773B1A28 user32.dll:773B1A28 MessageBoxTimeoutW 773D5E47 user32.dll:773D5E47 MessageBoxTimeoutA 773BDD8B user32.dll:773BDD8B MessageBoxExA 773BD923 user32.dll:773BD923 MessageBoxA 00C1089F thebat.exe:00C1089F 00C109B7 thebat.exe:00C109B7 0063DE58 thebat.exe:0063DE58 00C10785 thebat.exe:00C10785 00C106AD thebat.exe:00C106AD 00BDE61A thebat.exe:00BDE61A 00BDF1D3 thebat.exe:00BDF1D3 00C1D9A5 thebat.exe:00C1D9A5 77E523CD kernel32.dll:77E523CD IsProcessorFeaturePresent -- Jernej Simončič http://deepthought.ena.si/ [The Bat! v3.62.12 on Windows 2003 5.2.3790.Service Pack 1] One should always prefer the probable impossible to the improbable possible. -- Dictum Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.09 and the Outbox Protection Feature
Hallo Jernej, On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 23:43:59 +0100GMT (11-12-2005, 23:43 +0100, where I live), you wrote: JS Invalid pointer operation. Confirmed With OTFE and POP3 -- Groetjes, Roelof Veni, Vidi, Vegi. (I came, I saw, I had a salad) The Bat! 3.63.08 (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpofzwzgKqR4.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.09 and the Outbox Protection Feature
Hallo Roelof, On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 01:32:51 +0100GMT (12-12-2005, 1:32 +0100, where I live), you wrote: JS Invalid pointer operation. RO Confirmed With OTFE and POP3 Though the same voyager versions runs fine on the same system and practically the same message base. -- Groetjes, Roelof Power corrupts. Absolute power is kinda neat, though... The Bat! 3.63.08 (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgp2MiXChJgdn.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
The Bat! 3.63.09 and the Outbox Protection Feature
Hello Tbbeta, We've implemented Outbox Protection Feature. It is currently OFF by default. If you add Registry DWORD Value CopyToOutboxProhibited=1 to HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!, The Bat! will prohibit copying messages to Outbox from other folders. You will be only able to foward, redirect, etc. messages, which will lead to creation of new messages in Outbox, but you will not be able to copy (or move) messages to Outbox. When this option is ON, and you click Copy to folder menu item, the Outbox folder is not shown in the list. Also, if you try to use Drag-And-Drop to copy messages to Outbox, the cursor gets prohibited shape. Please let us know whether it should be ON by default. We have some reports from corporate users that being able to drag and drop messages to outbox folder and have them sent is a potentially very dangerous feature for corporate users. The new beta URL http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb36309.rar [+] CopyToOutboxProhibited [-] IMAP: duplication problem [-] (#0005407) Filters on Message source don't work (beta issue) [-] (#0005432) Password-protected account was left unlocked after creation of a new message. [-] When there were no drive C:\ available in the system, Windows Folder selection dialog didn't contain icons. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.63.08 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.09 and the Outbox Protection Feature
Maxim, When this option is ON, and you click Copy to folder menu item, the Outbox folder is not shown in the list. Also, if you try to use Drag-And-Drop to copy messages to Outbox, the cursor gets prohibited shape. Please let us know whether it should be ON by default. I much prefer off. The new beta URL http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb36309.rar Working well here. [-] IMAP: duplication problem Confirmed fixed. -- Gleason Using The Bat! 3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP Version 5.1 Build 2600. Connecting to the Fastmail server which uses Cyrus IMAP software. Current beta is 3.63.08 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.09 and the Outbox Protection Feature
Recently, Maxim Masiutin squawked: We've implemented Outbox Protection Feature. I agree with Ian. Although what he said was due to being down under, things are reversed, 1's = 0's and so forth. I think you meant set it to 0 = off = we CAN drag-n-drop INTO the outbox. it should be ON by default (Off I think you mean mate) Have the corporate world put the outbox down at the bottom and it's a little less likely they can drag to it. None the less, I just tried it, both ways, and I prefer the Zed to I can do as Ian does, re-send. if you can put a toggle INSIDE TB!, then I am happy to make that change myself new-version after new-version ... but It's a PITA to bring up regedit and find the place to add a new dword . if I had to do it after every new build. And I am now getting a confirmation request when I try to send the reply to the outbox. I do not like this. -- :ireland_flag: as an experiment after hearing from Mary Bull but it doesn't work Robert D. _ The Bat! Version: 3.63.09 (Beta) Windows ME FireFox Current beta is 3.63.08 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.09 and the Outbox Protection Feature
Robert, On Sunday, December 11, 2005, 2:46:26 PM, you (Robert D.) wrote: RD Recently, Maxim Masiutin squawked: We've implemented Outbox Protection Feature. RD I agree with Ian. Although what he said was due to being down under, RD things are reversed, 1's = 0's and so forth. RD I think you meant set it to 0 = off = we CAN drag-n-drop INTO the RD outbox. Oops. I did mean OFF. -- Regards, Ian A. White, CPEng \ |\ | 2 Cumberland Street \ |_\ | Blacktown. NSW. 2148 \| \| Australia :Australia_Flag: Ph:0418 203 229 (Int'l: +61 418 203 229) Fax: (02) 9622 0450 (Int'l: +61 2 9622 0450) Home Page: www.wai.com.au mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] callto://waiwhite on Skype e-mail address not to be provided to any other party except with written permission of Ian A. White, CPEng. Using The Bat! 3.63.09 (Beta) Professional with MailWasher Pro Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 On Pentium M - 1.4 GHz, 1 GB RAM and 60 GB HDD Current beta is 3.63.08 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.09 and the Outbox Protection Feature
Robert, On Sunday, December 11, 2005, 2:46:26 PM, you (Robert D.) wrote: RD Recently, Maxim Masiutin squawked: We've implemented Outbox Protection Feature. RD I agree with Ian. Although what he said was due to being down under, RD things are reversed, 1's = 0's and so forth. RD I think you meant set it to 0 = off = we CAN drag-n-drop INTO the RD outbox. Oops. I did mean OFF. -- Regards, Ian A. White, CPEng \ |\ | 2 Cumberland Street \ |_\ | Blacktown. NSW. 2148 \| \| Australia :Australia_Flag: Ph:0418 203 229 (Int'l: +61 418 203 229) Fax: (02) 9622 0450 (Int'l: +61 2 9622 0450) Home Page: www.wai.com.au mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] callto://waiwhite on Skype e-mail address not to be provided to any other party except with written permission of Ian A. White, CPEng. Using The Bat! 3.63.09 (Beta) Professional with MailWasher Pro Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 On Pentium M - 1.4 GHz, 1 GB RAM and 60 GB HDD Current beta is 3.63.08 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.09 and the Outbox Protection Feature
Recently, Ian A.White squawked: See, it's acting up for you too. You sent it twice. I just put one to TBOT in the outbox after it asked me to save. Then I tried to send and, seeing it was STILL in the outbox, told me there was nothing to send. -- Robert D. _ The Bat! Version: 3.63.09 (Beta) Windows ME FireFox Current beta is 3.63.08 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.09 and the Outbox Protection Feature
domingo, 11 dic 2005 at 03:11, it seems you wrote:
The new beta URL
http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb36309.rar
Not usable here. It has the same error of the first 3.63 beta.
If you use OTFE, after the Beta confirm box you will get the Account
Creation Wizard.
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Re: The Bat! 3.63.09 and the Outbox Protection Feature
Robert, On Sunday, December 11, 2005, 3:01:04 PM, you (Robert D.) wrote: RD Recently, Ian A.White squawked: RD See, it's acting up for you too. You sent it twice. RD I just put one to TBOT in the outbox after it asked me to save. Then I RD tried to send and, seeing it was STILL in the outbox, told me there RD was nothing to send. Yes. Looks like something else has been changed as well. After sending it I got a message asking me if I wanted to save. I did and there was still something in the outbox so I sent it again, and again I was asked if I wanted to save it. This time I answered no and on checking Sent Mail there were two messages sent. -- Regards, Ian A. White, CPEng \ |\ | 2 Cumberland Street \ |_\ | Blacktown. NSW. 2148 \| \| Australia :Australia_Flag: Ph:0418 203 229 (Int'l: +61 418 203 229) Fax: (02) 9622 0450 (Int'l: +61 2 9622 0450) Home Page: www.wai.com.au mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] callto://waiwhite on Skype e-mail address not to be provided to any other party except with written permission of Ian A. White, CPEng. Using The Bat! 3.63.09 (Beta) Professional with MailWasher Pro Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 On Pentium M - 1.4 GHz, 1 GB RAM and 60 GB HDD Current beta is 3.63.08 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.63.09 and the Outbox Protection Feature
Hello All, Off by default. As a moderator on 5 yahoo lists=getting new spam that wants=reading,rec. conformation. I DO NOT WANT MY E-MAIL CLIENT SENDING MESSAGES UNLESS I TELL IT!!. On the [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'we' are getting some real interesting spam. Kaspersky does not='get it' but zonealarm security suite does. -- Best regards, R.Morris TheBat!3.63.08 (Beta) AntiSpam= AGAVA AntispamServant mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.63.08 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.09 and the Outbox Protection Feature
Ian, On Sunday, December 11, 2005, 3:06:12 PM, you (Ian A.White) wrote: IAW Robert, IAW On Sunday, December 11, 2005, 3:01:04 PM, you (Robert D.) wrote: RD Recently, Ian A.White squawked: RD See, it's acting up for you too. You sent it twice. RD I just put one to TBOT in the outbox after it asked me to save. Then I RD tried to send and, seeing it was STILL in the outbox, told me there RD was nothing to send. IAW Yes. Looks like something else has been changed as well. After sending IAW it I got a message asking me if I wanted to save. I did and there was IAW still something in the outbox so I sent it again, and again I was IAW asked if I wanted to save it. This time I answered no and on checking IAW Sent Mail there were two messages sent. Well, you will see from my other message, something has been changed so that the request to save occurs whenever the message editor closes, even if a save has just been carried out. The result is that now you answer No to the save confirmation thereby making it absolutely useless. -- Regards, Ian A. White, CPEng \ |\ | 2 Cumberland Street \ |_\ | Blacktown. NSW. 2148 \| \| Australia :Australia_Flag: Ph:0418 203 229 (Int'l: +61 418 203 229) Fax: (02) 9622 0450 (Int'l: +61 2 9622 0450) Home Page: www.wai.com.au mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] callto://waiwhite on Skype e-mail address not to be provided to any other party except with written permission of Ian A. White, CPEng. Using The Bat! 3.63.09 (Beta) Professional with MailWasher Pro Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 On Pentium M - 1.4 GHz, 1 GB RAM and 60 GB HDD Current beta is 3.63.08 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.09 and the Outbox Protection Feature
Hello Maxim! On Saturday, December 10, 2005, 8:11 PM, you wrote: We've implemented Outbox Protection Feature. I do not want my Outbox to have this Protection Feature. Therefore I am not going to download and test .09 tonight. It's late and I don't have time or energy to deal with the problems of testing this new implementation. I will do it tomorrow. It is currently OFF by default. If you add Registry DWORD Value CopyToOutboxProhibited=1 to HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!, The Bat! will prohibit copying messages to Outbox from other folders. You will be only able to foward, redirect, etc. messages, which will lead to creation of new messages in Outbox, but you will not be able to copy (or move) messages to Outbox. I guess I'm just tired, but I cannot understand the above paragraph. Evidently it confused Ian A. White temporarily also. When this option is ON, and you click Copy to folder menu item, the Outbox folder is not shown in the list. Also, if you try to use Drag-And-Drop to copy messages to Outbox, the cursor gets prohibited shape. I don't want that to happen. Please let us know whether it should be ON by default. It should be OFF by default. We have some reports from corporate users that being able to drag and drop messages to outbox folder and have them sent is a potentially very dangerous feature for corporate users. I think it is dangerous for me not to be able to view my message in the Outbox before I decide to send it. The new beta URL http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb36309.rar [+] CopyToOutboxProhibited [-] IMAP: duplication problem [-] (#0005407) Filters on Message source don't work (beta issue) [-] (#0005432) Password-protected account was left unlocked after creation of a new message. [-] When there were no drive C:\ available in the system, Windows Folder selection dialog didn't contain icons. I will test .09 tomorrow morning. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.08 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.09 and the Outbox Protection Feature
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005, at 04:11:46 [GMT +0200] (which was 3:11 where I live) Maxim Masiutin wrote: The new beta URL http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb36309.rar Up and running. Quoting is correct here, it is not using Voyager. See: Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Henk M. de Bruijn __ The Bat! Natural E-Mail System version 3.63.09 (Beta) Pro on Windows XP SP2 PGPkey at: http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0X11EECBEEB464DD0F Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org A progressive and innovative Web of Trust pgpSxvYZbxl8T.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.63.08 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.09 and the Outbox Protection Feature
Hello Robert! On Saturday, December 10, 2005, 9:46 PM, you wrote: We've implemented Outbox Protection Feature. I agree with Ian. Although what he said was due to being down under, things are reversed, 1's = 0's and so forth. I agree with Ian and with you, Robert. I think you meant set it to 0 = off = we CAN drag-n-drop INTO the outbox. it should be ON by default (Off I think you mean mate) And I see he replied to you that that's what he meant. Have the corporate world put the outbox down at the bottom and it's a little less likely they can drag to it. My Outbox *Is* at the bottom, just ahead of Sent messages. I like it there. And I want to be able to put a message there and view it before I send it. None the less, I just tried it, both ways, and I prefer the Zed to I can do as Ian does, re-send. if you can put a toggle INSIDE TB!, then I am happy to make that change myself new-version after new-version ... but It's a PITA to bring up regedit and find the place to add a new dword . if I had to do it after every new build. Absolutely! And I am now getting a confirmation request when I try to send the reply to the outbox. I do not like this. Ah, now I know what you were saying to me in your TBOT post. I am old and tired, Robert, and I'm off to bed. I'll test this stuff tomorrow. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.08 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.09 and the Outbox Protection Feature
Maxim... On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 04:11:46 +0200, you wrote: Hello Tbbeta, We've implemented Outbox Protection Feature. It is currently OFF by default. If you add Registry DWORD Value CopyToOutboxProhibited=1 to HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!, The Bat! will prohibit copying messages to Outbox from other folders. You will be only able to foward, redirect, etc. messages, which will lead to creation of new messages in Outbox, but you will not be able to copy (or move) messages to Outbox. When this option is ON, and you click Copy to folder menu item, the Outbox folder is not shown in the list. Also, if you try to use Drag-And-Drop to copy messages to Outbox, the cursor gets prohibited shape. Please let us know whether it should be ON by default. We have some reports from corporate users that being able to drag and drop messages to outbox folder and have them sent is a potentially very dangerous feature for corporate users. The new beta URL http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb36309.rar This beta is not usable to me. It caused my IMAP account and folders to disappear from sight in TB and an old deleted POP account was resurrected with it's folders that I had stored in TB's mail directory! Needless to say, I backed out quickly before testing anything further. -- steverio TB!v3.62.14 TBV!v3.63.07 Windows XP Pro 5.1 Build 2600 SP2 OTFE Current beta is 3.63.08 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.09 and the Outbox Protection Feature
Hello Robert, On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 22:46:26 -0500 GMT (11/12/2005, 10:46 +0700 GMT), Robert D. wrote: RD if you can put a toggle INSIDE TB!, then I am happy to make that RD change myself new-version after new-version ... but It's a PITA to RD bring up regedit and find the place to add a new dword . if I had RD to do it after every new build. Robert, this is only for testing the functionality is this beta. In the release version, there will of course be accessability through the GUI. Otherwise it would be a waste of coding efforts... -- Cheers, Thomas. A duck walks into a drugstore and ask the clerk for Chapstick. The clerk puts the Chapstick on the counter and says, That will be $2. The duck replies, Just put it on my bill. (true story) http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.63.06 (Beta) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.08 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.09 and the Outbox Protection Feature
Hello Ian, On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:00:49 +1100 GMT (11/12/2005, 10:00 +0700 GMT), Ian A.White wrote: MM We have some reports from corporate users that being able to drag MM and drop messages to outbox folder and have them sent is a MM potentially very dangerous feature for corporate users. IAW I am still trying to work out what the danger is. The danger in the corporate world is that messages get sent again and it looks unprofessional. You already send me the information last week, why are you sending it again?. I cannot come up with a bigger danger, but maybe there is. While I haven't experienced a problem like that, I can imagine that others have. IAW As far as I am concerned, it should be ON by default. You mean, the feature (blocking the Outbox) should be OFF by default, don't you? IAW As an example, there are many occasions when it is necessary to IAW re-send a message and the simplest way to do this is to copy it IAW from the Sent Mail folder to the Outbox and re-send it. Yes, yes, I use it the same way too. I agree the default should be as it is now, which I understand to be OFF. -- Cheers, Thomas. The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds; and the pessimist fears this is true. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.63.06 (Beta) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.08 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.09 and the Outbox Protection Feature
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005, at 04:11:46 [GMT +0200] (which was 3:11 where I live) Maxim Masiutin wrote: ...snip The new beta URL http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb36309.rar ...snip I have no problems with my folder views/view modes in Voyager but when I leave/close The Bat! I loose all my folders views :-( -- Henk M. de Bruijn __ The Bat! Natural E-Mail System version 3.63.09 (Beta) Pro on Windows XP SP2 PGPkey at: http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0X11EECBEEB464DD0F Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org A progressive and innovative Web of Trust pgpBW2HD5ECAz.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.63.08 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.09 and the Outbox Protection Feature
Hello Ian, On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:17:24 +1100 GMT (11/12/2005, 14:17 +0700 GMT), Ian A.White wrote: TF The danger in the corporate world is that messages get sent again and TF it looks unprofessional. You already send me the information last TF week, why are you sending it again?. I cannot come up with a bigger TF danger, but maybe there is. While I haven't experienced a problem like TF that, I can imagine that others have. IAW This is not a real problem as you have to consciously copy the message IAW over to the out box and then send it. Imagine you just want to move the message to another folder, and by accident drop it in the Outbox. It gets sent at next routine send+receive. As I said, I haven't experienced that problem, but obviously, somebody has a problem big enough with it that Ritlabs is introducing this new feature. I don't think we need to discuss pros and cons about this, because if you don't need it, there will be no changes for you. Just work as you are used to, that's the default anyway. -- Cheers, Thomas. I am loyal to my employer at all costs Please feel free to respond to my resume on my office voice mail. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.63.06 (Beta) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
