Re: TB and MS Exchange (was:Wish List)
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On Monday, November 22, 1999, 13:54:45 (GMT +07:00) you told us: TF I just checked and was told we use MS Exchange version 5.5 OK. TF Just tried to send a message to one of my accounts via our SMTP TF server, and the below is what happened. TF When I use my address book and the address I send to is "mozart TF [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without quotation marks), the error TF message will say that mozart is not recognized, i.e. seeing only TF the "Real Name" not even the email address. That'snothappentome. I can send (for example) To: Syafril Hermansyah[EMAIL PROTECTED] no problem (note: I set accepted domain = dutaint.co.id). TF I feel that the Exchange server means "not recognized in this TF domain" in both cases, and never tries to send it into cyberspace. This is setting in "Relay Control" at Internet Mail Connector. The default setting for Exchange MTA is to accept or reject message came to them, if match the domain list = accepted otherwise rejected. In my case all message came from POP3 or IMAP set to route via my Relay Host (i.e. My Mdaemon Mail Server). Please check to the routing table in Internet Mail Connector. TF Most of the time, however, I do not even get an error message. By TF mistake, I forgot to reset the SMTP seerver after these tests TF before sending this post, and my email just disappeared. (I am TF resending this post now after adding this paragrph.) TF So I can send messages only to users within the domain TF "aafi.com.tw" with The Bat!. Colleagues using Outlook have no TF problems sending to the outside world. Outlook with Exchange transport ? Of course no problem. TF Something wrong in my TB settings, as you said you have tested it TF successfully? Yes, see header of this message, I send this message via Exchange. TF ===8==This is a forwarded message= TF From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] TF To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] TF Date: Monday, November 22, 1999, 2:18:56 PM TF Subject: Undeliverable: Fwd: Re: MS Exchange (was:Wish List) TF Your message TF To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TF Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TF Subject: Fwd: Re: MS Exchange (was:Wish List) TF Sent:Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:23:07 +0800 TF did not reach the following recipient(s): TF [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:25:36 +0800 TF The recipient name is not recognized TF The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=TW;a= TF ;p=AAFI;l=NT19911220625XDRRSLY5 TF MSEXCH:IMS:AAFI:AAFI:NT1 0 (000C05A6) Unknown Recipient This happen to me without modification of Routing Table. TF ===8===End of original message text=== -- - syafril - Name: Syafril Hermansyah | Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 URL : www.dutaint.co.id | FAX : (62) (21) 351-9241 I am using The Bat! 1.38 Beta/2 (reg) under Windows NT Workstation 4.0 built 1381, Service Pack 6 Created : Monday, November 22, 1999, 14:07:08 (GMT + 07:00) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: TB and MS Exchange (was:Wish List)
Hi Syafril, on Monday, November 22, 1999, 4:11:40 PM GMT+0800, Syafril Hermansyah wrote: TF When I use my address book and the address I send to is "mozart TF [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without quotation marks), the error TF message will say that mozart is not recognized, i.e. seeing only TF the "Real Name" not even the email address. SH That'snothappentome. I can send (for example) SH To: Syafril Hermansyah[EMAIL PROTECTED] SH no problem (note: I set accepted domain = dutaint.co.id). I noticed that when I send message from my address within the domain to an internet address outside, the message just disappr\ears. If I send it from another address (this one, for example) to an internet address outside our domain, I receive an error message. TF I feel that the Exchange server means "not recognized in this TF domain" in both cases, and never tries to send it into cyberspace. SH This is setting in "Relay Control" at Internet Mail Connector. SH The default setting for Exchange MTA is to accept or reject message SH came to them, if match the domain list = accepted otherwise rejected. It does not reject the server name. It just doesn't recognize an email address as Real Name user@domain but uses Real Name as user under its own domain. If there is no Real Name, it uses the full address as user name under its own domain. Thus it says "this user does not exist here", which is the only reason for rejection. It does not reject because the domain of the recipient is not accepted. SH In my case all message came from POP3 or IMAP set to route via my SH Relay Host (i.e. My Mdaemon Mail Server). Please check to the routing SH table in Internet Mail Connector. I have no problem with the POP server, only with the SMTP server. TF So I can send messages only to users within the domain TF "aafi.com.tw" with The Bat!. Colleagues using Outlook have no TF problems sending to the outside world. SH Outlook with Exchange transport ? Of course no problem. g But I still advertise how wonderful TB is, especially for those who have a private email address in addition to their company email on the Exchange server... TF Something wrong in my TB settings, as you said you have tested it TF successfully? SH Yes, see header of this message, I send this message via Exchange. OK, clarify for the stupid guy (that's me): Is there something wrong with my settings in TB, or is there something wrong with the settings of the Exchange server? -- Thanks your help, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.38 Beta/2 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: OT: Millionaire (was: Re: %Cursor)
On 21 November 1999 at 13:32, [EMAIL PROTECTED] told the list: DL We have one in the UK called "Who Wants To Be a Millionaire" DL hosted by an irritating man called Chris Tarrant. Nah .. he's great (grate?)! Didn't you ever see TisWas or OTT? DL From what I heard, it was our idea in the UK, and it spread around DL the world like a bad smell G I believe it was bought in from the USA, although I could be wrong. There aren't many UK originated game shows - mostly the ones thought up by Bruce Forsyth (Generation game, Play Your Cards Right) and Chris Evans (Don't Forget Your Toothbrush). Cheers, Marck -- Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY - Using The Bat! 1.38 Beta/2 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: The TBUDL
Monday, November 22, 1999 Hello Ali, Monday, Monday, November 22, 1999, you wrote: Alitracer wrote: Ali snip Anyway, I find you set filters with special options and then go and clean them up in the menu. I always determine the order of filters myself so anything like this should be at the far end of your filters to avoid hitting innocent bystanders... Ali Speaking of order, this may very well have to do with why his filter Ali isn't working. Messages from this particular individual are probably Ali being filtered by another filter higher up in the filters list. If the Ali delete filter goes after this, it will not work. Ali So, if I wish to delete messages for someone on this list, the filter Ali that I create has to be listed before the filter for TBUDL mail for it Ali to work. I thought he said it stayed in the inbox so it doesnt get hit by any filter and as said sofar the most common problem I had on filters not working was due to name in 2 pieces. So if I would filter on Ali Martin it wouldnt work but your email would(g). Now it may be caused by me not understanding how to filter but since I can make it work by restricting it, its survivable... Anyway, sorry to say, I donot like throwing mail away to the rubbish bin before I have all the known good stuff out of my inbox... Admittedly some things go the wrong box but thats easy to fix. But in my opinion dumping data before moving the known amount of good data to a safe places is ,...well you know what would follow... Its more tricky and has more risk. Its the same logic I use with incoming spam, I dump them manually in a spam bin till I can see what the best way is to clean up, and then experiment on the bin as it cannot do any damage. Then add the filter to move it to the spam box automatic and if I see nothing else gets hit, I change it to being zapped automatic. AFTER all my filters on people getting moved to their approriate boxes leaving me with stuf i donot often get or odball newsletters in my inbox. I may have 200 emails per day or more but inbox maybe has 5-6. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38 Beta/2 mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Help File (Was: Clicking on a sender w/ alt bringing back everyone else)
Monday, November 22, 1999 Hello Paula, Monday, Monday, November 22, 1999, you wrote: Paula On Sunday, November 21, 1999, tracer wrote: Who volenteers the rewrite the help file (g) Paula I volunteer to beta test the new Help file for v.2. Where do I sign up? not with me... It was meant as a half serious joke but it could sure do with some improvments. Writing docs or help files was never something I was that good in acc to the victims ending up using it and secondly, I donot know enough about the BAT. Now obviously there is maybe a person qualified here if he can keep the English simple enough(g) Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38 Beta/2 mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: View Folder Window and status line
Paula Ford wrote: Not to disagree with your suggestion, but how large is your monitor? I have a 17". I have TB main window set up with the folder list down the left-hand side in a fairly narrow column, wide enough to show folder names, number of new messages in the folder, and the total number. If I open the Folder View, I can move the window to open to the side of the folder list in the main window. Then, I can see the messages information for the folder. The messages unread also updates as messages are read. Yes. This is what I've been doing but I do use a 17" monitor and this method produced enough inconvenience to provoke the suggestion, that's all. I guess the suggestion is borne of the same reason why the View Folder window has it's own message list. Technically it doesn't need one for the same reason as you described above. BTW, what do you find to be the advantages of working from the folder view? I've never seen much point for it, but then I'm fond of 3-pane mailers. The message navigation keys do not work on the main window list with the message autoview open. I also use an app called AIM Keys which I used to make easier keyboard shortcuts to read messages. The scroll function being the main one. The Alt+up/down was getting to me. :)) Somehow the shortcut macros (imagine keyboard shortcut macros for keyboard shortcuts!! LOL) wouldn't work well in the TB main window. The quick search facility would be annoyingly launched. I use a virtual desktop manager and also at time carry a view folder window to another desktop. -- Regards, -=Ali=- Fer Sell Cheep: 1 Bran New Spel Chekker. Nevur Usd. ** Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/2 [-] Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Help File (Was: Clicking on a sender w/ alt bringing back everyone else)
Hello tracer, On Monday, November 22, 1999, 17:21:16 (GMT +07:00) you told us: t Who volenteers the rewrite the help file (g) Paula I volunteer to beta test the new Help file for v.2. Where do I Paula sign up? t Now obviously there is maybe a person qualified here if he can keep t the English simple enough(g) I vote for Paula Ford ! Marck D. Pearlstone and Ali Martin can be candidate too, if they wish. -- - syafril - Name: Syafril Hermansyah | Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 URL : www.dutaint.co.id | FAX : (62) (21) 351-9241 I am using The Bat! 1.38 Beta/2 (reg) under Windows NT Workstation 4.0 built 1381, Service Pack 6 Created : Monday, November 22, 1999, 19:36:26 (GMT + 07:00) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Help File (Was: Clicking on a sender w/ alt bringing back everyone else)
\\\|/// / ~ _ \ (- O o -) --oOOo-(_)-oOOo--- Hello tracer, t Now obviously there is maybe a person qualified here if he can keep t the English simple enough(g) Fortunantely, you can put pics in the help-files... they often say more than a whole bunch of words :-) -- Der Immer Jodelende Schweizer In Lederhosen Roelmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] We are Microsoft. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. .oooO ( ) Oooo. --\ (( ) \_)) / (_/ Visit the official site of Enigma at http://www.enigma3.com (it's really worth it!) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: %cursor was: Re[2]: (No Subject)
Hallo Oleg, On Monday, November 22, 1999, 8:57:38 PM (GMT+0800), Oleg Zalyalov wrote: It has nothing to do with %cursor macro, while is reasonable wish. But I'm afraid it is hardly implementable, while it does work so when you hit reply. PF Well, it would seem that it is implementable, since it works that way PF with Replies. OZ What I meant is that when you do reply the message it is clear that OZ most probably you will not want to add anything to to, cc, bcc and OZ subject fields by hands, and cursor should be placed to the text edit OZ area. When you create a new message or forward it is not so clear. Unless you have already %To (and maybe %Cc and %Bcc) and %Subject macros in your template. OZ Anyway, there should be another independent switch and not the change OZ of %cursor macro functionality. You mean a switch like a %SkipHeader macro? Disclaimer: This is a question, not a suggestion. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.38 Beta/2 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: TB and MS Exchange (was:Wish List)
Hallo tracer, On Monday, November 22, 1999, 9:28:06 PM (GMT+0800), tracer wrote: t Thomas, could you try sending it to your email address without the Mozart t node... I will try that in the morning when I'm back in the office, but I don't expect it to be any different. I also tried it with this ibm.net email address, same result. I have contacted the sysadmin with Syafril's information about the Internet Mail Connector. He is not in-house, though, and I expect it to take some time until he comes. Will let you now. -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.38 Beta/2 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: OT: Millionaire (was: Re: %Cursor)
Hello Marck, Monday, November 22, 1999, 5:25:20 AM, you wrote: MDP On 21 November 1999 at 13:32, [EMAIL PROTECTED] told the list: It was Imported from the UK, and I only know this because Regis Philbin said so on the show this morning,BTW my wife knows this person, she works with a family member of his. DL From what I heard, it was our idea in the UK, and it DL spread around DL the world like a bad smell G I believe it was bought in from the USA, although I could be wrong. MDP Cheers, MDP Marck -- Best regards, Pasqualemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
help: TB 1.36 filesize
Hello, I'm using TheBat! 1.36. Yesterday i found that the size of the installation on TheBat! site is not the same one which im using. Can you guys tell me if mine is an official version or what? I fear the one i have has a trojan or something. My Bat! installation filesize 1,623,931 bytes. The one on ritlabs.com is 1,625,031 bytes. Whats the difference? TIA. Best Regards, GEORGE __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: The TBUDL
Hi there! On 22 Nov 99, at 12:08, Syafril Hermansyah wrote about "Re: The TBUDL": PF As Marck noted, many new subscribers are unsubscribing shortly PF after joining. Maybe this has nothing to do with what's going on PF on the list, but I doubt it. Need help of "Alexander V. Kiselev" [EMAIL PROTECTED] to more study about the correlation after compiling the data :-). Actually I'm not a specialist in this branch, but I could probably help in emergency:-) SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) -- Thought for the day: A man wrapped up in himself makes a very small package. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: (SOT) Moo-ah, Met-ah, Med-ah and all related things...
Hi there! On 21 Nov 99, at 23:30, tracer wrote about "Re[2]: (SOT) Moo-ah, Met-ah, Med-ah": Alexander But these are *Russian* bears:-)). They know! Those Alexander Americans are really funny, they (provided that they know Alexander *what and where* Russia is anyway) still seem to believe it's Alexander common for the wild bears to walk down the streets in Russia:-) Alexander At least I've already seen 3 such guys (all of them Americans) Alexander who were *really* deadly surprised not to find those bears in Alexander the streets. and a friend of mine now working in the Alexander Silicon valley met 2 other Americans, who seemed to believe Alexander that Russia is located somewhere next to Venezuela:-)) whats wrong with that? Nothing in particular:-))) At least, it leaves *me* calm:-) They tested students in the past on their chemistry knowledge and according to some Sodium Chloride was a green gas Well, well. AFAIK this summer there was a heated discussion in Oxford whether to teach their math students what "uniformly continuous function" is or NOT:-))) ROTFLMAO, as you say:-) This is exactly what *our* students are taught in the *very* first semester:-)) But you are missing out on a tourist attraction, train some bears and get the tourists to visit them. Obviously wanting repeat visits you cannot let those bears eat them (at least not all of them) Interesting idea, that:-) By the way a friend has an internet cafee and yesterday his internet browser looked 'odd' he said. Some smart visitor had switched him to the Russian character set... Apparently it was Russian:-) It's somehow a thing *every* Russian does first of all approaching *any* web browser anywhere:-) SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) -- Thought for the day: Friends don't let friends use Windows. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
question on line styles sening E-mail
Hello TBUDL, I've noticed my letters and others seem truncated into more than one line, I don't think I'am hitting enter to early. Is there any other way for this to happen? -- Best regards, Pasquale mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: question on line styles sening E-mail
Hi Pasquale - Monday, November 22, 1999, 10:03:41 AM, you wrote: PJFS Hello TBUDL, PJFS I've noticed my letters and others seem truncated into more than one PJFS line, I don't think I'am hitting enter to early. Is there any other PJFS way for this to happen? From the Options menu, Editor Preferences menu, Wrap Text At option. -- Mark Worshammailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Plano, TX USA -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: OT: Millionaire (was: Re: %Cursor)
Hi Marck, On Monday 22/11/1999 at 10:25, you wrote: DL We have one in the UK called "Who Wants To Be a Millionaire" DL hosted by an irritating man called Chris Tarrant. Nah .. he's great (grate?)! Didn't you ever see TisWas or OTT? Hehe I was either very young or not born yet, but I've seen old clips :) He's a good chap most of the time (thinking "Tarrant on TV" here) but I still find him irritating on WWTBAM and OnDigital adverts G DL From what I heard, it was our idea in the UK, and it spread around DL the world like a bad smell G I believe it was bought in from the USA, although I could be wrong. There aren't many UK originated game shows - mostly the ones thought up by Bruce Forsyth (Generation game, Play Your Cards Right) and Chris Evans (Don't Forget Your Toothbrush). I've heard for certain now... it's all our fault =) The US copied the idea - in fact I think it must be an international company that makes the show, since all the graphics and the set are exactly the same. Chris Tarrant is way out of Bruce's league... Bruce _really_ sucks :) cringes at the thought of it -- Best regards, Derykmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Threading
\\\|/// / ~ _ \ (- O o -) --oOOo-(_)-oOOo--- Hello Deryk, DL Just a small question on threading. I apologise in advance if it's an DL FAQ, but I couldn't find it documented anywhere. DL I prefer to "Thread by references" in the TBUDL folder, since it works DL a lot better than threading by subject. However there are some DL threads that are an original, a reply, a reply to the reply, etc. DL When reading through them you have to expand each reply. Like this: to expand a single thread: control + to expand all threads: control * HTH -- Der Immer Jodelende Schweizer In Lederhosen Roelmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Windows 8783837773.2c! We finaly got it right.(Bill Gates) .oooO ( ) Oooo. --\ (( ) \_)) / (_/ Visit the official site of Enigma at http://www.enigma3.com (it's really worth it!) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: question on line styles sening E-mail
Hello Mark, Monday, November 22, 1999, 12:16:29 PM, you wrote: MW Hi Pasquale - MW Monday, November 22, 1999, 10:03:41 AM, you wrote: PJFS Hello TBUDL, PJFS I've noticed my letters and others seem truncated into more than one PJFS line, I don't think I'am hitting enter to early. Is there any other PJFS way for this to happen? From the Options menu, Editor Preferences menu, Wrap Text At option. That has been ticked since I first installed the bat, so that can't be it, I made sure that I let the wrap take care of the above, but I still received it truncated. I noticed justify on wrap wasn't checked off so I'll try that. -- Best regards, Pasqualemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Threading
Hi Roel, On Monday 22/11/1999 at 18:40, you wrote: to expand a single thread: control + to expand all threads: control * Excellent stuff, thanks! Additionally, "control -" will collapse a single thread. Any idea what will collapse all threads? It wasn't the obvious "control /" :-) -- Best regards, Derykmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Threading
\\\|/// / ~ _ \ (- O o -) --oOOo-(_)-oOOo--- Hello Deryk, DL Any idea what will collapse all threads? It wasn't the obvious DL "control /" :-) no, sorry... I'm looking for that key too :-) -- Der Immer Jodelende Schweizer In Lederhosen Roelmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Eat shit! A million flies can't be wrong. .oooO ( ) Oooo. --\ (( ) \_)) / (_/ Visit the official site of Enigma at http://www.enigma3.com (it's really worth it!) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Threading
Monday, November 22, 1999, 10:55:00 AM, Deryk wrote: Additionally, "control -" will collapse a single thread. Any idea what will collapse all threads? It wasn't the obvious "control /" :-) There isn't one listed in the keyboard shortcuts that Ali sent out recently. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: question on line styles sening E-mail
\\\|/// / ~ _ \ (- O o -) --oOOo-(_)-oOOo--- Hello Mark, MW The option I'm thinking of is a box that asks how long you want each line to be, MW i.e. 70 characters. If you want more text on each line, just increase the MW number of characters per line by entering a larger number. check 'options - editor preferences' 'right margin' is exactly what you're talking about :) HTH -- Der Immer Jodelende Schweizer In Lederhosen Roelmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You're too drunk when... You lose arguments with inanimate objects. .oooO ( ) Oooo. --\ (( ) \_)) / (_/ Visit the official site of Enigma at http://www.enigma3.com (it's really worth it!) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Address Auto-View
Just wondering Has anyone found a use for that big 'ol address window that appears when you have Address Auto View checked? I figure I must be missing some obvious use for it as I can easily get the address off the mail header. -- - Nick Using The Bat! 1.38 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Threading
Deryk Lister wrote: Keyboard shortcuts? Ooh, if you have this still I'd love a copy :) I have to say, TB could do with some documentation - it just seems more normal to read how the program works for yourself than having to ask how to do everything on the mailing list... Here it is attached for you and all the other new subscribers who haven't yet gotten a copy. -- * Ali Martin mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The longer the title, the less important the job. *** Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/3 [-] Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TB!_Shortcuts.zip
Re: Threading
Deryk Lister wrote: A work around, at best, is to switch quickly between how the threading is done. Alt+2 then Alt+1, if you are viewing threads by references, or do the reverse if you are viewing threads by subject. The act of switching to one threading method to another collapses the threads in the process. Nifty isn't it? vbg Well, it collapses down to one level, which is good enough for now g Pretty neat... In order to expand all threads you need to highlight the first message of any thread then hit CTRL+* In order for my antidote to work, you need to have a message at the beginning of a thread (not a sub-thread) highlighted before starting the keyboard shortcut combo. -- * Ali Martin mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Build a system that even a fool can use, and only a fool will want to use it. *** Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/3 [-] Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: question on line styles sening E-mail
Hello Ali, Monday, November 22, 1999, 4:00:36 PM, you wrote: AMPasquale J. Festa Sr. wrote: I've noticed my letters and others seem truncated into more than one line, I don't think I'am hitting enter to early. Is there any other way for this to happen? AM I'm trying to figure out what you mean by what you are saying but my AM guess is that your text line lengths are erratic because you are AM re-editing already wrapped text without the autoformat feature AM switched on. In this case, you can reformat the offending block of AM text by pressing Alt+L (left justify) when the cursor is anywhere AM within text block. AM NB// Alt+L will not work if the cursor is positioned in the text block AM area with the mouse. You have to position it with the keyboard. They are erratic even if I receive from other group members and do nothing. I basically have everything checked under edit preferences. I want to see everything left justify and looking proper no matter who's letter I see. -- Best regards, Pasqualemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: question on line styles sening E-mail
Pasquale J. Festa Sr. wrote: AM I'm trying to figure out what you mean by what you are saying but my AM guess is that your text line lengths are erratic because you are AM re-editing already wrapped text without the autoformat feature AM switched on. In this case, you can reformat the offending block of AM text by pressing Alt+L (left justify) when the cursor is anywhere AM within text block. AM NB// Alt+L will not work if the cursor is positioned in the text block AM area with the mouse. You have to position it with the keyboard. They are erratic even if I receive from other group members and do nothing. You can't really do much about the formatting of the messages sent by other members. The editor options will not affect the formatting of messages received. The most that The Bat! will do for you is automatically wrap text in received messages if it would have gone off the message viewer window. This is why I'm a stickler for a decent e-mail editor. I need to know that what my recipient gets is what I see in front of me and that it's presentable. This level of control is supported by TB! and only a few others, namely, Pegasus Mail and Forte' Agent. All those editor options are for *you* to have control over what *you* type. I basically have everything checked under edit preferences. Avoid simply checking all of them since some incur standard functionality and others do not. For instance if the 'persistent blocks' option is checked it will cause unnerving resistance of selected text to being deleted. I suggest that you spend a few moments experimenting as well as going through the editor related stuff in the help file. You will then have the power of a flexible editor at your fingertips. I want to see everything left justify and looking proper no matter who's letter I see. Can't happen. Just make sure that *your* messages look good and hopefully others will envy their appearance and want to do the same. This is what netiquette is all about and you're simply falling victim to it. :) -- * Ali Martin mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Oxymoron: Weather Forecast. *** Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/3 [-] Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: question on line styles sening E-mail
Pasquale J. Festa Sr. wrote: AM I'm trying to figure out what you mean by what you are saying but my AM guess is that your text line lengths are erratic because you are AM re-editing already wrapped text without the autoformat feature AM switched on. In this case, you can reformat the offending block of AM text by pressing Alt+L (left justify) when the cursor is anywhere AM within text block. AM NB// Alt+L will not work if the cursor is positioned in the text block AM area with the mouse. You have to position it with the keyboard. The above message *From* you came truncated, all I'am doing is reading it nothing more. If I reply to you everything looks fine, it's the mail I receive that dosn't look right. Hmmm. Make sure that your message body view area is wide enough to read the messages. If it can't display the full-lines of text then it will wrap the lines and they'll appear quite ugly. May I suggest that you try widening your message preview pane and then see what happens. -- * Ali Martin mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** $$$ not found -- (A)bort (R)efinance (B)ankrupt *** Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/3 [-] Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Help File (Was: Clicking on a sender w/ alt bringing back everyone else)
Paula Ford wrote: snip I vote for Paula Ford ! Marck D. Pearlstone and Ali Martin can be candidate too, if they wish. I think that's one election where people would be hoping to come in last. :) You can say that again. Alexander sent me the name of someone to contact at RIT LAbs. I'm serious about beta testing the Help file. Many times the Help file doesn't even show up until the full release of a program after which it's usually nearly impossible to get a company to make needed changes. Writing the help file is a no no for me. I just wouldn't have the time. I would certainly be willing, however, to beta test the help file. -- * Ali Martin mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** (A)bort (R)etry (F)ail (U)nplug (S)ell. *** Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/3 [-] Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Address Auto-View
On 22 November 1999 at 21:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] told the list: ND Has anyone found a use for that big 'ol address window that ND appears when you have Address Auto View checked? I figure I must ND be missing some obvious use for it as I can easily get the address ND off the mail header. Mostly that it will retrieve matching address book entries complete with details and photo when an entry exists there that matches the address on the current message. Trouble is, it only works for the TB! main window and not for any message you may be looking at in a folder view. Cheers, Marck -- Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY - Using The Bat! 1.38 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: question on line styles sening E-mail
On Monday, November 22, 1999, Pasquale J. Festa Sr. wrote: I've noticed my letters and others seem truncated into more than one line, I don't think I'am hitting enter to early. Is there any other way for this to happen? Pasquale, messages that you receive will wrap in the display panes - either in the preview pane or the message display in the Folder View - depending on the width of the pane, as well as how the message is formatted as sent to you. If you are getting an odd wrap in most of your messages, make the display panes wider. Note well: To see the change take effect, go to a different message. The messages do not wrap dynamically as you change the width of the display panes (for good reasons). You may need to choose a smaller font size in Options|Editor Preferences|Display to set the width of the display panes to a reasonable width. Because of the way this works, a message can wrap differently in the Preview pane and in the Folder View. Most messages that I receive seem to be formatted with a hard return at the end of lines, according to the settings that the author uses in his mailer. If I make my display panes too narrow, these messages will wrap awkwardly no matter than what. So, you need to make the display panes wide enough to cover the range of line lengths that most people use. A few messages will wrap dynamically in TB to the width of the display pane, but not many. I don't understand wrapping very well, but this is how I've found TB to work. -- Paula Ford The Bat! 1.36 (reg) Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: question on line styles sening E-mail (Eureka!)
On Monday, November 22, 1999, Pasquale J. Festa Sr. wrote: Are you ready for this? I checked everything and my fonts was set for courier new size 12, as soon as I set it to size 10 everything is fine, as soon as you change the font size the messages get truncated. That's not because of the font size per se. It's because with a larger font size you need to make the display pane wider. :) -- Paula Ford The Bat! 1.36 (reg) Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: question on line styles sening E-mail (Eureka!)
On Monday, November 22, 1999, Ali Martin wrote: All, that I said earlier stands, in that, a badly formatted message will be badly formatted when you get it and you can't really make it look any better. Yes, no matter what, some messages always have stumps. -- Paula Ford The Bat! 1.36 (reg) Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: %cursor was: Re[2]: (No Subject)
Hi Steve, on Tuesday, November 23, 1999, 2:33:19 AM GMT+0800, Steve Lamb wrote: SL Monday, November 22, 1999, 6:15:22 AM, Thomas wrote: You mean a switch like a %SkipHeader macro? SL That would work. I'd actually like to see the current behavior of the SL reply template changed so that it, too, does not skip the header input but SL allow something like this to let the user decide. OK, so by default the cursor should always go into the header, even if there is data (TO/Subject/...) already. Unless there is a %SkipHeader macro. This defines the default as opposite to what I was thinking of, but I get your point. However, what if there is no To recipient but a %SkipHeader macro, should the %SkipHeader macro be ignored? Or how to you suggest to deal with that situation? -- Thanks for expl, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.38 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Threading
Tuesday, November 23, 1999 Hello Ali, Tuesday, Tuesday, November 23, 1999, you wrote: AliDeryk Lister wrote: Keyboard shortcuts? Ooh, if you have this still I'd love a copy :) I have to say, TB could do with some documentation - it just seems more normal to read how the program works for yourself than having to ask how to do everything on the mailing list... Ali Here it is attached for you and all the other new subscribers who Ali haven't yet gotten a copy. Does anyone else have more shortcuts which arent in it??? A pity they donot put this list on their website with the program... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38 Beta/2 mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: %cursor was: Re[2]: (No Subject)
On Monday, November 22, 1999, Thomas Fernandez wrote: OK, so by default the cursor should always go into the header, even if there is data (TO/Subject/...) already. Unless there is a %SkipHeader macro. This defines the default as opposite to what I was thinking of, but I get your point. This sounds like a real possibility. :) However, what if there is no To recipient but a %SkipHeader macro, should the %SkipHeader macro be ignored? Or how to you suggest to deal with that situation? I would say that if the user has put a %SkipHeader macro in the template, then TB shouldn't worry about whether or not there is anything entered in the header, unless the intent is to allow the %SkipHeader only if the TO is filled in. I don't see the need for having to ensure that the TO is filled in. I would leave it to the users to use the macro in the appropriate situations. They'll quickly change it if they have to backtrack up the header to fill in TO. I suppose this is a small item in the lexicon of improvements that TB needs, but when you are churning out dozens of messages where all the header information is set in the template, but something has to be added to the body, all that tabbing takes quite a bit of time. It would be nice to be able to start in the body. I agree that the Reply should be consistent, since most of the arguments for why the the cursor should start in the header, such as wanting to add addresses, apply equally to a Reply. However, I now use the Reply template in some cases to skip the header. I wouldn't like to see the Reply made consistent without this %SkipHeader ability. -- Paula Ford The Bat! 1.36 (reg) Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Mysterious wish-list
Hi Leif, can I ask whether the developers have a copy? If yes, maybe they might send it to you. Did you ask them? If they don't have a copy, what's the point of the wish-list. On Tuesday, November 23, 1999, 8:12:18 AM GMT+0800, Leif Gregory wrote: LG I've e-mailed him twice directly so far to try and get a copy of the LG wishlist so that I could post it to the TBUDL FAQ page. I haven't LG gotten a response from him yet. LG On Sunday, November 21, 1999, at 1:28 you wrote: PF Does "currently" mean that Alex is not working on it for now or PF that he's abandoned the project? Does anyone have the last version PF that was posted to the list? If so, I'd appreciate your e-mailing PF me a copy. -- Best regards, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.38 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: question on line styles sening E-mail (Eureka!)
On Tuesday, November 23, 1999, Pasquale J. Festa Sr. wrote: Hmm still happens to me, does monitor size have a connection, I basicly have a 9 inch viewing screen. Monitor size has a connection only to the extent that it limits how wide you can make the display panes. Try this: Double-click on a message to open it in the Folder View. Maximize that window, then click on the Next Message icon to refresh the display to see if the messages wrap correctly. Try a few messages, because some messages always have stumps no matter what you do. If most of your messages still wrap awkwardly, then you will need to make your font size smaller. -- Paula Ford The Bat! 1.36 (reg) Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
