Mass Mailing Feature / in Filters? (Hard One)

[Thomas Speer]

Hello TBUDL,

Now that the list is back to live I'd like to send my question in
again. because I didn't get any answer!


Is there any chance to do the folowing:

I'd like to forward a mail I got to a Group of People. But all schould
get a personalized mail saying:

#Start of mail

Hello "%TOFNAME"

this Mail I got from . should be important for you too...

*forwarded mail*
%Quotes
*end of forwardet mail*
"sig"

#End of Mail
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So my thougt was creating a filter (trigered by Shortcut) that is
sending out the replys to the People! This works as long as I am not
trying to Personalize those mails which I would like to!


Copying the text to the QT i don't like and sometimes there are
Atachments too... which arn't to handl that easy.

I leared the Meaning of the saying "never say never" with theBAT

So is there any one who can give me a Hint how to do this


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Re: Addressing Replies to the "To:" Header?

[Nick Andriash]

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On March 7, 2001, at 7:05:08 AM, David Elliott Wrote:

> I hate to say it but 'Folder templates'. Please can some one come one
> come up with something better as I have the same problem with some other
> lists.

I've tried everything David and couldn't come up with an answer other than
using a Folder level template for my replies. Works nicely. :o)


Nick


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Re: Addressing Replies to the "To:" Header?

[Thomas]

Hi Nick,

On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 07:44:10 -0800GMT (07/03/2001, 23:44 +0800GMT),
Nick Andriash wrote:

NA> Unfortunately neither of the two examples above works. Surely there must
NA> be some way to change the To: line to the From: header?

This one addresses to the original FROM address:

%TO=""%TO=%OFromAddr

If this also doesn't work, send us the complete headers of any posting
you received via that list.

NA> Perhaps I am including it in my template in the wrong place or
NA> order? Is there any specific to keep in mind in doing this?

There is no specific order. I put macros like this at the end of the
template, because they cause a blank line if they are on top or in the
middle.

Other than that, the help file lists the marcos and their
functionality. Look for The Complete List of Template Macros. There is
a wealth of possibilities there. ;-)

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Re: Addressing Replies to the "To:" Header?

[Nick Andriash]

On Wednesday, March 07, 2001, at 7:41:54 AM, Thomas Wrote:

T> Try one of the following:
T> 1.) %TO=""%TO=%OTO
T> 2.) %TO=""%TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"

Unfortunately neither of the two examples above works. Surely there must
be some way to change the To: line to the From: header? Perhaps I am
including it in my template in the wrong place or order? Is there any
specific to keep in mind in doing this?

Nick


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Re: Mass Mailing

[Gerry Doyon]

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Hello Thomas,

Wednesday, March 07, 2001, 10:15:31 AM, you wrote:

T> I find the help file quite useful on this. It's in the complete List
T> of Template Macros. You have to scroll down, it's the last one down at
T> the end.

I *did* look and the darn help file and missed it.  My apoligies. :-)
By the way, you nicely told me that I was an imbecile. LOL! You are
very diplomatic in your wording.

Thanks!

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Re: Mass Mailing

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Gerry!

On Wednesday, March 07, 2001 at 3:41:32 PM you wrote:

DH>> Tip: The "%ABnnnPPP" macro can help you personalise your messages.

> Can you explain a little bit more for me how this will work Dierk??

I humbly try.

This macro pulls a name (or whatever you want) out of a specified AB
entry. The syntax you can find in the help. So instead of using the
usual macros that pull the name from the address itself (more or less)
you can us %ABnnnPPP to create a personal opening.

For some entries in my AB's I use "Nickname (Handle)" to fill in a
nickname (which is not quite correct usage). There is a young lady
called Romy (First Name) who I normally call Principessa (Nickname).

If I now have a mass mailing using a QT I either have to fill in some
of the names by hand or use a neutral opening or ... do the following:

Hello %ABTOHandle="%TOFNAME"!

This provides those, who have a nickname like Romy with a personal
message: *Hello Principessa!* Others will get *Hello John Doe!*

I just asked Ritlabs to include a field especially for this purpose
since people with the same nickname give the problem that the handle
has to be unique (no Tom, Dick or Harry).

With just another field we could get the option to even sign
personally (well, that is, without ill use of the AB).

Hope that was of help to you.


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Re: Spanish Language Help File and Menu

[Thomas]

Hallo Chema,

On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:35:27 +0100 GMT (07/03/2001, 20:35 +0800 GMT),
Chema Berian wrote:

CB> If you select "Help Topics" on Spanish Menus, TB request for file
CB> Bat_Esp.HLP wich *is not* available.

Have you check with Ritlabs whether there is another place to download
it?

Thing is, TB's help request is language-sensitive. This is a good
thing, because you don't want to open an English help file if you
always use your software in Spanish. However, I don't thinnk that
Ritlabs would have made TB point to a file that doesn't exist
somewhere in Cyberspace.

If there is indeed no Spanish help file available anywhere, copy (or
rename) your English help file to Bat_Esp.HLP; at elast you will have
some help available.

DH>> Also, is there a way for the dates to be provided in Spanish via the
DH>> templates? (i.e. Sabado instead of Saturday, Marzo insteaqd of
DH>> March). Thanks in advance.

CB> I've tried to obtain spanish dates via templates... no success at this
CB> moment.

%ODate will return the day of the default language of your system.
%ODateEN will return it in English.

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Re: Mass Mailing

[Thomas]

Hallo Gerry,

On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:41:32 -0500 GMT (07/03/2001, 22:41 +0800 GMT),
Gerry Doyon wrote:

DH>> Tip: The "%ABnnnPPP" macro can help you personalise your messages.

GD> Can you explain a little bit more for me how this will work Dierk??

I find the help file quite useful on this. It's in the complete List
of Template Macros. You have to scroll down, it's the last one down at
the end.

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Re: Addressing Replies to the "To:" Header?

[Thomas]

Hallo Nick,

On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 06:22:20 -0800 GMT (07/03/2001, 22:22 +0800 GMT),
Nick Andriash wrote:


NA> I belong to the Gnupg-Users List which does not include a Reply-To:
NA> Header. All replies are addressed to the "From" header, which is the
NA> original Author. I want to address replies to the List..
NA> [EMAIL PROTECTED] which is listed in the To: header. However, I have
NA> fiddled with my Reply Template, and can find no easy method of changing
NA> who the reply is addressed to.

Try one of the following:
1.) %TO=""%TO=%OTO
2.) %TO=""%TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"

The first %TO="" removes what is in the TO filed, the other %TO sets a
new value. %OTO is the Original TO recipient. But if any messages sent
to the address you say is sent to all members showing itself as TO
recipient, you'll have an endless loop.

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Re: Spanish Language Help File and Menu

[Douglas Hinds]

Thanks Chema.

Hello Chema & others on TBUDL following this thread,

Wednesday, March 07, 2001,  you stated regarding :

DH>> Regarding the language versions available for TB!:

CB> I use Spanish Menu, wich can be downloaded with other languages from
CB> http://www.ritlabs.com/ftp/pub/the_bat/intpack.exe
CB> If you select "Help Topics" on Spanish Menus, TB request for file
CB> Bat_Esp.HLP wich *is not* available.

DH>> Also, is there a way for the dates to be provided in Spanish via the
DH>> templates? (i.e. Sabado instead of Saturday, Marzo insteaqd of
DH>> March). Thanks in advance.

CB> I've tried to obtain spanish dates via templates... no success at this
CB> moment.

It sounds like we have the beginning of a (or a partial) solution,
and is probably better than other available options. With time, and
greater demand from Spanish speaking users, this situation will
probably improve

Douglas

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Re: Addressing Replies to the "To:" Header?

[David Elliott]

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Hello Nick,

On 07 March 2001 at 06:22:20 -0800 (which was 14:22 where I live) Nick
Andriash

NA> All replies are addressed to the "From" header, which is the original
NA> Author. I want to address replies to the List.. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
NA> which is listed in the To: header. However, I have fiddled with my
NA> Reply Template, and can find no easy method of changing who the reply
NA> is addressed to.

I hate to say it but 'Folder templates'. Please can some one come one come
up with something better as I have the same problem with some other lists.

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Re: Mass Mailing

[Gerry Doyon]

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Hello Dierkand and all who replied to my plea for help.  I appreciate
all the suggestions you all gave me.  They helped a lot.!

Wednesday, March 07, 2001, 3:04:46 AM, you wrote:


DH> Tip: The "%ABnnnPPP" macro can help you personalise your messages.

Can you explain a little bit more for me how this will work Dierk??

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Addressing Replies to the "To:" Header?

[Nick Andriash]

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I belong to the Gnupg-Users List which does not include a Reply-To:
Header. All replies are addressed to the "From" header, which is the
original Author. I want to address replies to the List..
[EMAIL PROTECTED] which is listed in the To: header. However, I have
fiddled with my Reply Template, and can find no easy method of changing
who the reply is addressed to.

Using the standard template macros available, how to I remove what
currently is the default recipient, and put in the List address? What
macro do I use?

Thanks for your help


Nick


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Re: Kill Dupes

[Karin Spaink]

On 07-03-2001 at 15:02, John kindly wrote:

> I know there are dupes as some messages may have been imported more than
> once.
> So I used "Kill Dupes". To my surprise identical messages (Text,
> Sender, Recipient are identical except Received dates which are
> different)remained in the folder.

Kill Dupes uses *only* message ID to find duplicates. Are
you sure that you haven't received multiple copies?

Alternatively: Can you post the headers of two of these
identical messages here, such as left untouched by the Kill
Dupes command?


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Re: The Bat! as a PIM's (Re[2]: Contact Management s/w)

[John]

Hello David,


Thank you for being very lenient with my total ignorance of programming
and for answering with much patience to questions I always
wanted to ask. As the opportunity presented itself I just jumped on it.

So any similarity between PIM & email client is only in appearance.
Now I admit I feel less perplexed.



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Kill Dupes

[John]

Hello TBUDL,

Before using the Bat!, I used Eudora, then Outlook Express. So in the
past I imported my messages from Eudora to OE, recently from Eudora directly to the
Bat! and of course from OE to the Bat! I don't remember which to which
exactly. To avoid any message being missed, I imported every possible
message from different sources ( Inbox, Sent, Messages imported from
previous email clients)into a single archive folder to get them
referenced into threads.

I know there are dupes as some messages may have been imported more than once.
So I used "Kill Dupes". To my surprise identical messages (Text,
Sender, Recipient are identical except Received dates which are
different)remained in the folder.

Should I conclude than identical messages Received (downloaded or
imported?) at different dates are not considered as dupes? Is there a
way (other than manual) to remove these identical messages?
  


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Re: Spanish Language Help File and Menu

[Chema Berian]

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Hello Listers,

On Sat, 03 Mar 2001,
 at 09:35:47 [GMT -0600] (which was 16:35 where I live)
 Douglas wrote:


DH> Hello TBUDL members,

DH> Regarding the language versions available for TB!:

DH> If I recall, there IS a Spanish language Help File and possibly
DH> Spanish Menu selections are available. Can anyone confirm this?

I use Spanish Menu, wich can be downloaded with other languages from
http://www.ritlabs.com/ftp/pub/the_bat/intpack.exe
If you select "Help Topics" on Spanish Menus, TB request for file
Bat_Esp.HLP wich *is not* available.

DH> Also, is there a way for the dates to be provided in Spanish via the
DH> templates? (i.e. Sabado instead of Saturday, Marzo insteaqd of
DH> March). Thanks in advance.

I've tried to obtain spanish dates via templates... no success at this
moment.


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Share Address Book?

[Jason Gottschalk]

Hello TBUDL,

  Is there a way to allow my colleague to enter into my address book?
  We have a lan with a server, I could place the address book there.

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The Bat! as a PIM's (Re[2]: Contact Management s/w)

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Hi John,

On 07 March 2001 at 13:54:06 +0400 (which was 09:54 where I live) John
wrote

J> Microsoft Outlook Express integrates successfully with Outlook the MS
J> contact, information and time management software.

ROTFL.

J> Does the developers of these softwares consider the Bat! as not being
J> important enough to include it in the email system setup wizard?

Is this what MAPI is for ? (If I understand the question)

J> So why doesn't RITLABS create its own information manager to accompany
J> the Bat!.

Time, money, people.

J> If people have chosen to pay for the Bat! while OE is "free", won't they
J> buy a Personal Information Manager from  RITLABS if it is as good as the
J> Bat!?

Yep.

J> As a side question, which PIM is most commonly used among the Bat!
J> community?

Lotus Organiser.

J> I don't have any notion of programming, but a PIM in my opinion has much
J> in common with an email client : Address book, sorting, filtering,
J> templates, search function, tree structure for organising messages (tree
J> structure for organising information for a PIM), forms, columns etc . I
J> may be completely wrong, but can we say that a good email client is
J> already half way to a good PIM?

IMHO The Bat! is a good email client it does not pretend to be anything
else. Outlook on the other hand is not even RFC 822 compliant, it is full
of holes and use to crash on me several times a day. (If only Darth Lamb
was still on this list )

J> If so it wouldn't be that difficult to write a PIM as a plug-in for the
J> Bat!.

Err, as you stated you don't have any notion of programming so how can you
make this statement?

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Re: Contact Management s/w

[John]

Hello Tony and All,

Wednesday, March 07, 2001, 2:50:11 AM, you wrote:

TO> Hi TBUDL folks,
 
TO>  Does anyone know if TB! can be (has been) "integrated"
TO>  successfully with any contact management software (e.g.
TO>  ACT, Goldmine, Maximizer, etc.). I'm currently using
TO>  ACT2000's internet mail, but would prefer it to use TB!
TO>  Unfortunately, TB! does not show up as an option in
TO>  ACT2000's email system setup wizard.


This  does not address your message, but your question has given me
the opportunity to ask other related questions.
  
Microsoft Outlook Express integrates successfully with Outlook the MS contact,
information and time management software. The BaT! does not seem to perfectly
integrate with the contact managers you mentioned. Why is it so?  Does the developers
of these softwares consider the Bat! as not being important enough to include it in the
email system setup wizard? So why doesn't RITLABS create its own information manager
to accompany the Bat!. If people have chosen to pay for the Bat! while OE is "free",
won't they buy a Personal Information Manager from  RITLABS if it is as good as the 
Bat!?
As a side question, which PIM is most commonly used among the Bat! community?
  
I don't have any notion of programming, but a PIM in my opinion has much in common 
with an
email client : Address book, sorting, filtering, templates, search function, tree 
structure
for organising messages (tree structure for organising information for a PIM), forms, 
columns etc .
I may be completely wrong, but can we say that a good email client is already half way 
to a good PIM?
If so it wouldn't be that difficult to write a PIM as a plug-in for the Bat!.
  
  
Thank you for your attention

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Re[2]: Mass Mailing

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hi André,

...
AE> If you want to keep the recipients unaware of the other recipients put
AE> all the adresses in the BCC: field and put nothing in the TO: field or
AE> your own adress if your mail server doesn't allow an empty to: field.

Ack.

...
AE> I think if you create a group with TB! and send out a mail
AE> to this list TB! will automatically hide the recipients to the
AE> receivers of the mail.

AE> Can anybody confirm this?

IMO you have to put the list name in the BCC field.

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IMAP problems

[jennyw]

I can't seem to get The Bat! to use IMAP. It accesses POP accounts fine, but
with IMAP it just hangs, saying 0.0kb.  Is there a trick to it?

Assuming it does work, does The Bat! have full support for IMAP? In
particular, I'm hoping that it can access IMAP folders other than just the
inbox, and also have filters which can move messages to IMAP folders.  OE,
for example, can only move messages into local folders.  Currently, the only
mail app. I've used that can do this is Netscape, but it has other issues
and I'd love to move to something else.

Thanks!

Jen

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