Re: Undeliverable mail to list

2002-07-17 Thread Thomas F

Hello Sudip,

On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 06:46:51 +0545 GMT (18/07/02, 08:01 +0700 GMT),
Sudip Pokhrel wrote:

JA>> I think somebody subbed to the list has a bad email
JA>> now, and it is bouncing... I got about 17 of them about 30 mins ago.

SP> Having a same problem here. With me, the mailer deamon sends the same
SP> two messages saying they could not be delivered. Interestingly,

I think every poster is getting such a message, including myself. I
usually write back to the postmaster, asking him to send bounces to
the return-path and not the From address. I copy the TBUDL moderators
in and ask them to take the member off the list until his postmaster
has figured out the RFC's. I think I'm going to write a QT for that...

As I said, the internet grows faster than people can be trained.
People with no clue become postmasters and set up their systems wrong.
Expect to see more of this. :-(

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Re: composing richtext messages?

2002-07-17 Thread Sudip Pokhrel

Hi Bernd,

On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 07:44:05 +0100 GMT (Jul 18, 12:29 my local time),
you [BG] wrote:

BG> but I fail to find an option that allows me to compose and send
BG> richtext (as opposed to plain text) messages.

That's because there aren't any. TB! is a plain text client.

BG> Any known plans for a future release?

Rumor has it that it'll be incorporated in version 2. But I have a
sneaky feeling that majority of the people in this list, myself
included, will continue to use plain text.

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composing richtext messages?

2002-07-17 Thread Bernd Gauweiler

I understand I can set the TB! message viewer to view richtext and HTML
messages, but I fail to find an option that allows me to compose and
send richtext (as opposed to plain text) messages.

Am I overlooking something?
Any known plans for a future release?

Since you asked: Richtext, because it allows for formatting (like HTML),
but doesn't allow for potentially dangerous active content (unlike
HTML).

TIA
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Re: Color Groups in INBOX message list

2002-07-17 Thread Januk Aggarwal

Hello Joyce,

On Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 20:46 GMT +0200, Joyce Sala [JS]
pressed random keys until the following was produced:

JS> I  don't  seem to be able to make TB give the proper colors to the mex
JS> as  they  arrive  into  the Inbox. There seems to be no way that i can
JS> tell it : every time you get mex from/to XY paint it... pink.

As others have stated, we'll need more information about how you're
trying to do this.  However, judging by the lack of information, it
would appear that you haven't yet discovered the full joy of TB's
filters.  I apologize if this is all old hat for you, but it should
prove helpful for *someone*.

If you haven't used the filters before, you can get to them through:
 |-> Account
   |-> Sorting Office/Filters

You'll want to set up an incoming filter, so select the incoming
filters and press the New button at the bottom of the left panel.

You'll get a filter called "New Rule".  Now I'll assume you can use
the help file and the FAQ (see list footers) to figure out the filter
strings and Alternatives tabs.  Feel free to ask more specific
questions on this list as well.

For the colour groups, you will have to have already set one up.  If
you haven't already done that, then go to:
 |-> Message
   |-> Colour Group
 |-> Edit Colour Groups
Follow the prompts, it should be fairly straight-forward.  Just
remember that the colour groups allow you to define colours for both
read and unread messages.  You need to set up both, otherwise you
might not realize your unread message is in the Pink colour group.

Now back to your filter, under the Actions tab, the fourth option down
allows you to set the colour group that you want to assign to your
message.

JS> Can anybody explain to me what I'm doing wrong, please?

I hope that helped and didn't just tell you what you already knew.
Next time, please give us a little more info about what you've tried.

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Re: I hate HTML mail

2002-07-17 Thread Peter Meyns

Hi Allie,

on Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:58:29 -0500GMT (18.07.02, 00:58 +0200GMT here),
you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

ACM> Take any further discussion on this thread off-list.

ACM> Thanks!

I'm sorry for this mail to appear in this thread which should be considered
a dead horse. It wasn't dead horse though when I wrote it - look at the
creation date. ;-)

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Re[2]: downloading e-mail on home network to computer A using computer B

2002-07-17 Thread Mark Wieder

Right. This is how mine is setup. One machine runs TB in TCP/IP server
mode and the others work in workstation mode with their mail storage
on the server machine. After I fiddled around with it enough it's been
working just great. The server runs all the time, picks up mail from
five or six different accounts every five minutes, and I can turn the
workstations off for the night and pick up in the morning.

In a networked office environment this has the advantage of allowing
local mail. This means not only that you can send mail among users in
an office, but that TB is smart enough that if I send mail to one of
the ISP accounts that TB knows about, the message just drops into the
inbox without going out to the internet at all.

Wednesday, July 17, 2002, 3:39:34 PM, you wrote:


MDP> Alternatively to the "leave on server" scheme:

MDP> 1) Configure TB in client / server mode. This is not a very well known
MDP>or practiced configuration but is *is* in the help file.


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Re[2]: Filter signatures when writing to file

2002-07-17 Thread Ricardo M. Reyes

El miércoles 17 de julio de 2002, 3.25, Peter Palmreuther decía:

PP> If you don't already have a regular expression applied to your quotes
PP> macro use this as a starting point:

PP> %SETPATTREGEXP='(?is)(^-+ eGroups.*~-~>.*-*_->$\s+){0,1}%-
PP> (^-BEGIN PGP SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?%-
PP> (.*?)(^(- --\s*\n|--\s*\n|-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE)|\z)'%-
PP> %REGEXPBLINDMATCH='%text'%SUBPATT='4'


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Re[2]: Well off topics

2002-07-17 Thread Lynn Turriff



Wednesday, July 17, 2002, 12:11:42 PM, you wrote:

[snip]

>> sometimes a drive refresh will do it. Sometimes not.

MO> Ehrr? What is a drive refresh?

Sorry .. just do view/refresh in the explorer on whatever drive
had the stuck folder in it ..   *Sometimes* that works ..


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Re: Import of messages from OE 6

2002-07-17 Thread Dwight A Corrin

On Wednesday, July 17, 2002, 9:20:27 PM, Eric Bretenoux wrote:

> !, the reception date of all the messages became the date of the
> import day instead of the original OE reception date.

right. that is the date it was recieved as far at TB is concerned. It
didn't change the creation dates though

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Import of messages from OE 6

2002-07-17 Thread Eric Bretenoux

Hello TB! users,

I'm on a 30 days trial of TB! and I found something which looks like a
bug: I've imported my messages from OE 6 and, in TB!, the reception
date of all the messages became the date of the import day instead of the
original OE reception date. Did I made something wrong ?
(Sorry about my poor english...)

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Re: Filter signatures when writing to file

2002-07-17 Thread Januk Aggarwal

Hello Peter,

On Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 19:34 GMT -0400, Peter Kerekes [PK]
pressed random keys until the following was produced:

PK> With right click on mouse the window offer all kinds of things,
PK> but not paste.

It isn't available from the mouse (no template editor in TB offers
that).

PK> Is there a way I can paste it or I have to type it in, hard to do
PK> without a mistake.

Use the Windows standard CTRL-V to paste.


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Re: /ImportLDIF syntax?

2002-07-17 Thread Tim Musson

Hey Januk,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.61) Educational' was used
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JA> From my tests, the undocumented options are identical.

Thanks, I was hoping to get that kind of answer!

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Re: /ImportLDIF syntax?

2002-07-17 Thread Januk Aggarwal

Hello Tim,

On Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 21:45 GMT -0400, authorities charged
Tim Musson [TM] for writing:

TM> The /ExportLDIF option is documented in the help file, does anyone
TM> have any documentation on /ImportLDIF?

>From my tests, the undocumented options are identical.  See the
following for more detail.


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/ImportLDIF syntax?

2002-07-17 Thread Tim Musson

The /ExportLDIF option is documented in the help file, does anyone
have any documentation on /ImportLDIF?

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Group Templates

2002-07-17 Thread Michael Rudnick

I have a group with group specific templates for new messages. If I'm
in the Address Book and select a new message for the group, the
correct template comes up. If I start a new message from the main
screen and enter the group handle, the standard template stays. If I
start a new message from the main screen and enter a specific name
from the group, the correct template is inserted.

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Re: Undeliverable mail to list

2002-07-17 Thread Sudip Pokhrel

Hi Jonathan,

On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:09:39 -0500 GMT (Jul 18, 02:54 my local time),
you [JA] wrote:

JA> I think somebody subbed to the list has a bad email
JA> now, and it is bouncing... I got about 17 of them about 30 mins ago.

Having a same problem here. With me, the mailer deamon sends the same
two messages saying they could not be delivered. Interestingly,
checking the attached original message I see that one of the messages
that keeps bouncing is one that I SENT TO YOU EARLIER !! Take a look:

,- [ Begin Quote ] -
| Hi Jonathan,
| 
| On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:02:19 -0500 GMT (Jul 12, 23:32 my time), you
| [JA] wrote:
| 
| JA> In some places, the second ALT key (labeled ALT GR I think in the
| JA> UK if my memory serves me correctly, has been over a year or so)
| JA> doesn't actually do anything.
| 
| You're kidding me ! Now the obvious question is why its there then?
`- [  End Quote  ] -

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Re: AVG didn't catch

2002-07-17 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Pete,

@18 July 2002, 18:27 -0600 (01:27 UK time)  Pete Milne [PM] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck D
Pearlstone:

PM> You mentioned a quality that I don't get to deal with often in
PM> clients"common sense".

LOL! I know what you're saying.

PM> That totally changes the whole scenario. Most individuals
PM> (including some "techy" people) I deal with shouldn't even own a
PM> computer let alone do email!!

Fortunately, most of the folks I deal with are begging me to let them
use TB. Which is odd really because it's freely available

PM> They automatically see an attachment like the one "Microsoft" sent
PM> out that said it was a patch...in an .EXE form. Lot's of them
PM> opened it and were screwed.

Anyone who's made it this far, has come to TB and is cognisant of the
existence of other AV software too has already read displayed more
than a modicum of that rare commodity - common sense :-).

Anyway, this topic has also rambled on and away. Perhaps any further
replies should be out on TBOT.

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Re: Off topic messages

2002-07-17 Thread PFord

On Wednesday, July 17, 2002, Allie C Martin wrote:

> I can sympathize with you here.

> TBOT (The Bat off Topic) discussion group was designed for the
> explicit purpose of discussing off-topic issues among TB! users.

The last message I just downloaded this evening is an OT asking for
help with IE. Perhaps putting the TBOT in the footer would help.

I stayed away from the discussions about news server, instead of
mailing list, user-to-user support, and I know that TBUDL isn't as
active as many large list, but I do think that RITLabs ought to think
about setting up a news server or finding a news server for support.
Something with a Web interface would be nice. There are more than
enough messages to justify news service and it could cover the
regular, beta and even off-topic all together.

Over the years, I've recommended TB to a lot of people and along with
it, TBUDL. The TBUDL is essential for new users, since the Help
is still not wonderful. But, the feedback I'm getting is that many
people are overwhelmed by the volume of the messages. (The situation is
compounded by the fact that the archives are difficult to use
efficiently.) So, many people give up before they discover the beauty
of TB.

Putting up a private news server, as some on the list have suggested,
is more than I think should be expected of users. It's time RITLabs
did something more to support their customers. A news server with a
Web interface is a small thing.  If they're going to add a news
reader, it might also be an incentive for people to pay the extra
price for it. :)

If you feel it worthwhile, please pass along my thoughts to RITLabs.

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Re: Color Groups in INBOX message list

2002-07-17 Thread Joseph N.

   On Wednesday, July 17, 2002, Joyce Sala wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

JS> I  don't  seem to be able to make TB give the proper colors to the mex
JS> as  they  arrive  into  the Inbox. There seems to be no way that i can
JS> tell it : every time you get mex from/to XY paint it... pink.

JS> Can anybody explain to me what I'm doing wrong, please?

Depends on what it is you're doing.  Can you provide more details?

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Re[2]: AVG didn't catch

2002-07-17 Thread Pete Milne



Replying to your message of Wednesday, July 17, 2002, 3:34:44 PM:

MDP> Yes, but my email client doesn't let me execute .pifs anyway (not
MDP> without a fight) ... nor does my brain! This is a bit of a pointless
MDP> and valueless example really. Your LMN AV doesn't do anything common
MDP> sense wasn't doing in the first place.

Marck,

You mentioned a quality that I don't get to deal with often in
clients"common sense".  That totally changes the whole scenario.  Most
individuals (including some "techy" people) I deal with shouldn't even own
a computer let alone do email!!  They automatically see an attachment like
the one "Microsoft" sent out that said it was a patch...in an .EXE form.
Lot's of them opened it and were screwed.

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Re[2]: Importing some fields into AB

2002-07-17 Thread Joseph N.

JN>>  Is there a way to import everything except
JN>> the contents of a specified field?

TM> How about editing your .vcf file and stripping out the titles?

Tim,

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Re: OT: IE hyperlink settings

2002-07-17 Thread Allie C Martin

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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Chris Merner [CM] wrote:

CM> Sorry for the OT, but this list has very knowledgable members and
CM> this is driving me nuts! Everytime I open IE (including via a link
CM> in TB!) the browser doesn't start in maximized mode. I'd like to
CM> change this.

CM> Could someone please tell me how to do this for Windows ME?



I'm sorry, but I can allow only one at most responses to this and I
hope it strikes gold.

As Marck just mentioned in a previous post:

> My comments may seem pointed, but any issues not pointed
> out as unwanted in list traffic end up becoming acceptable.

It would seem that we've been way too lenient with requests for help
that has nothing to do with TB!. It's now becoming common since it's
deemed acceptable. It's now becoming frustrating for subscribers who
wish to see mail having to do with TB! and instead are receiving
messages that are either completely off-topic or messages struggling
to be off-topic.

I guess things like this should really be in black and white since the
grey is hard to define.

In future, please start new threads to this list on-topic. Please!!
Allowing the occasional *short* off-topic discussion initiated as
off-topic isn't working out.

We created TBOT, a discussion group explicitly for the purpose of
off-topic discussions. TBUDL has very knowledgeable members who are
willing to help on matters unrelated to TB!. Many are subscribed to
TBOT. Not to mention that many of the veteran members get along real
well and find it a nice place to continue discussions that are still
interesting but that have drifted off-topic.

You can subscribe here:

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Re[2]: Filter signatures when writing to file

2002-07-17 Thread Peter Kerekes

Hello Peter,

Wednesday, July 17, 2002, 2:25:19 AM, you wrote:

PP> Hello Ricardo,

PP> On Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 2:31:48 AM you [RMR] wrote (at least in
PP> part):

RMR>> I would like to cut the signatures (everything below the '-- ')
RMR>> before writing the archive, just like the %QUOTES macro does, but
RMR>> obviously without the Quote prefix in every line.

PP> If you don't already have a regular expression applied to your quotes
PP> macro use this as a starting point:

PP> %SETPATTREGEXP='(?is)(^-+ eGroups.*~-~>.*-*_->$\s+){0,1}%-
PP> (^-BEGIN PGP SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?%-
PP> (.*?)(^(- --\s*\n|--\s*\n|-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE)|\z)'%-
PP> %REGEXPBLINDMATCH='%text'%SUBPATT='4'

PP> and insert it instead of '%Text'.
PP> If you already have a regular expression for quoting you're happy
PP> with: take it, remove the '%Quotes="' and the final '"' and put the
PP> rest in your save template, replacing the '%Text'.

PP> HTH Pit

I tried to copy your macro into the Save Message template, but couldn't.
With right click on mouse the window offer all kinds of things, but not
paste.

Is there a way I can paste it or I have to type it in, hard to do without a
mistake.

Thank you
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OT: IE hyperlink settings

2002-07-17 Thread Chris Merner

Sorry for the OT, but this list has very knowledgable members and this
is driving me nuts! Everytime I open IE (including via a link in TB!)
the browser doesn't start in maximized mode. I'd like to change this.

Could someone please tell me how to do this for Windows ME?

Hoping you can end my frustrations,

Chris



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Re[2]: Launch Failure

2002-07-17 Thread Curt Akin

Hello David,

It's just that people are frightened of the unfamiliar. XP is a dream
compared to previous incarnations.

Failure to launch is fixed. Somehow, the registry entry for
AddressBookProfilePath ended up pointing to a nonexistent drive. Fixed
that, and it launches fine.

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 Curt

Wednesday, July 17, 2002, 2:32:00 PM, you wrote:

DRA> They say there are numerous SW problems due to XP issues and that they
DRA> will not offer any SW support for boxes running XP. Even when they
DRA> have sold the box and software installed. It is a very generalized
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Re: downloading e-mail on home network to computer A using computer B

2002-07-17 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi [EMAIL PROTECTED],

@17 July 2002, 17:27 -0500 (23:27 UK time)  [EMAIL PROTECTED] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:


Just to underline the point about overquoting, in case my last post
didn't go in, let me annotate this reply and show you why it's not
very good. It may give some other top-quoting die-hards pause for
thought too. My comments may seem pointed, but any issues not pointed
out as unwanted in list traffic end up becoming acceptable.
 

1) Don't write your reply at the top. It doesn't scan.

> Hi, Adam. Regarding the question about sharing accounts,

2) Why rewrite the question? Answer inline underneath the original
question and you'll only have half as much to type!

 ... 

> --
> Avi
> Avram Sacks
> Chicago, IL
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

3) A fine signature - not too long although it doesn't have a true cut
mark. This should be "-- " (). Without a
proper cut mark the rest of the message stays put. Not that there
should be a "rest of the message". A signature should end a message.
Which brings us nicely to

4)

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Sorry to the other readers to have left this in, but this is just
awful! A complete waste of space and time. Very well constructed, yes,
but not very constructive. Please don't use this here on the TBUDL. I
recommend to you not to use them privately either - the people you
write to will thank you ;-).

5) and here comes the original post. All of it. Not a hair out of
place.

> Hello Avram,

 ... 

Please trim all quotes, like it says in the list rules, and try to
present your postings in a legible, easy to digest format. Top quoting
is *not* easy to digest.

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Re: downloading e-mail on home network to computer A using computer B

2002-07-17 Thread Adam

Hello Jonathan,

Wednesday, July 17, 2002, 7:42:39 PM, you wrote:

JA> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
JA> Hash: SHA1

JA> On Wednesday, July 17, 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote...

>> main (desktop) drive, rather than on the laptop. This way, all mail
>> is in one place and readily accessible.

JA> Map a network drive to the other PC from your laptop.  Install TB! on
JA> your desktop PC, use all the normal settings etc.  When installing on
JA> the Laptop, it asks you where you want to store your mail, direct it
JA> to the folder on the other PC.  Add the accounts, and you should be
JA> set to go... I think... I've not tried or tested this ;)  Maybe

I don't think this would work.

JA> somebody that has been using it longer would know the effect.  I'm
JA> sure one possible issue with that setup is you'd have to make sure
JA> they both weren't open at the same time.  But I cannot see anything
JA> too bad with it.

True enough. I'm not sure what sort of harm there is if you make a
rare omission of avoiding that.

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Re: I hate HTML mail

2002-07-17 Thread Allie C Martin

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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Peter Meyns [PM] wrote:

PM> Any follow-up on other mothers' PCs should occur on TBOT, I think.
PM> It might be an interesting topic... ;o)



Yes, please!!

Take any further discussion on this thread off-list.

Thanks!



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Re: downloading e-mail on home network to computer A using computer B

2002-07-17 Thread Adam

Hello Avram,

Wednesday, July 17, 2002, 2:39:09 PM, you wrote:

AS> How does one go about setting up The Bat on a home network so that e-mail
AS> can be downloaded to only one of two computers, but the download itself can
AS> be commanded by either computer and the e-mail can be read by either
AS> computer?  If possible, this setup would insure that all mail is in one
AS> place, and would allow anyone on the network to read all of it.

Make sure both machines on the network can currently share files.
Probably make sure both machines run the same version of TB; but I
don't know if that matters.  Make sure you are happy with the account
structure with your mails. Now install TB on the second machine
normally, if you haven't already.

Run REGEDIT on first machine.  Export the following registry key:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!

Since you have the same Windows OSs on each machine, that should be
simple.  Make sure your second machine can access that exported file.
Without openning TB, on the second machine, import that registry key.
Now while you are still running Regedit, go to that registry section,
and advance to Working Directory.  Enter here the path to the mail
directory on the first machine. You could cut and paste from Windows
Explorer or whatever.  Quit Regedit.  And I think you can run TB now.

This should work fine!

If it didn't work, go back and make sure you had set the original Mail
directory to be shared Full, not Read only.

There is some delay accessing big folders from the second machine. You
might be able to alleviate that if you know how to write scripts (I
don't really).

AS> FWIW, I am currently using XP Home OS, and The Bat ver. 1.53, but will
AS> upgrade to current version at the time I set up the network. 


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Re: downloading e-mail on home network to computer A using computer B

2002-07-17 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi [EMAIL PROTECTED],

@17 July 2002, 17:04 -0500 (23:04 UK time)  [EMAIL PROTECTED] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:


First things first. Avram. That was an excellent example of how *Nnot*
to write a reply on this list.

Top quoting - a nono.
Too much quoting - a nono.


You're using the "Outlook" standard reply format, one that I find
awful (but I'm feeling more like Canute by the day on that score). It
is called "top quoting" and means that you let the quotes appear at
the bottom and type your reply at the top.

I have many reasons to *not* prefer the "top quoting" method:
o  It is harder to follow points raised and counterpoints made without
   them being interspersed.
o  Following on from that, as you go through the quotes interspersing
   your replies and clipping the "fluff", you actually ensure that all
   points raised and questions asked are covered.
o  The message chain becomes a lot more conversational.
o  Rather than growing exponentially with each reply in a thread, the
   message size is kept reasonable and to the point - if the
   back-reference is that important, surely it's on file!
o  Responses have immediate context rather than being a bolt out of
   the blue at the top of a message making you scroll down to re-read
   the original - not an easy task when it's in the light grey italics
   I happen to use to show signatures ;-).

I know there are some instances where top-quoting is necessary -
particularly in dealing with a technical support department where an
issue may be passed around from person to person and the entire
message chain needs to be kept live. I actually have a special
template I use for such occasions. At all other time, I champion the
cause of conversational email! :-).


As a result of top quoting, your posting includes all signatures and
previous list footers of the message you are replying to - another
no-no and this one is against the list rules. Please trim your replies.


Now - to business:

AS>>> How does one go about setting up The Bat on a home network ...

>> ... you can set up BAT that it downloads the mail, but it leaves on
>> the server. ...  Another alternative is you keep the mail on the
>> server for 1 or 2 days.

Correct.

> what if the laptop user downloads a second time before the desktop
> user has a chance to download?

Nothing. Each user will only download once. There is a mechanism to
ensure this. Already received messages are ignored. Set both systems
to keep on server for 2 days and it will all tick along very nicely
(unless one of the systems misses a mail fetch for more than two days)

> I didn't ask the question, but I would also like to insure that any
> mail that is composed and sent from the laptop is also stored on the
> main (desktop) drive, rather than on the laptop. This way, all mail
> is in one place and readily accessible.

BCC it back to yourself.

Alternatively to the "leave on server" scheme:

1) Configure TB in client / server mode. This is not a very well known
   or practiced configuration but is *is* in the help file.

2) Configure TB to use a shared path on the network as the root for
   the MAIL folder and work on the same real files.

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Re: downloading e-mail on home network to computer A using computer B

2002-07-17 Thread Avram_Sacks



Thanks, Jonathan.I may have more questions when I actually try and do this,
but hopefully this will work.  Thanks, again.

--
Avi
Avram Sacks
Chicago, IL
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On Wednesday, July 17, 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote...



> Hi, Peter. I knew about downloading while leaving messages on the
> server. However, that's not very clean, because messages might get
> downloaded to the secondary (laptop) computer first. If the laptop
> user leaves the messages on the server, I understand that the main
> desktop would still be able to download and delete those messages
> from the server. However, what if the laptop user downloads a second
> time before the desktop user has a chance to download? In this
> scenario, the laptop user will possibly have double, even triple
> copies of some messages. That's not good, even though the BAT has a
> command for deletion of duplicates. It's still a pain to have to
> deal with. No, what I would like to do is to be able to insure that
> all mail gets downloaded on to one drive and is read on that drive.
> I didn't ask the question, but I would also like to insure that any
> mail that is composed and sent from the laptop is also stored on the
> main (desktop) drive, rather than on the laptop. This way, all mail
> is in one place and readily accessible.

Map a network drive to the other PC from your laptop.  Install TB! on
your desktop PC, use all the normal settings etc.  When installing on
the Laptop, it asks you where you want to store your mail, direct it
to the folder on the other PC.  Add the accounts, and you should be
set to go... I think... I've not tried or tested this ;)  Maybe
somebody that has been using it longer would know the effect.  I'm
sure one possible issue with that setup is you'd have to make sure
they both weren't open at the same time.  But I cannot see anything
too bad with it.

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Re: downloading e-mail on home network to computer A using computer B

2002-07-17 Thread Avram_Sacks



Hi, Adam.   Regarding the question about sharing accounts, currently I have only
one account.   However, even were there to be more than one account, I think I
would want there to be sharing of all accounts.

--
Avi
Avram Sacks
Chicago, IL
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello Avram,

Wednesday, July 17, 2002, 6:56:32 PM, you wrote:

Acc> How does one go about setting up The Bat on a home network so that e-mail
can be
Acc> downloaded to only one of two computers, but the download itself can be

Do you want to share all accounts, or one account?

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Re: downloading e-mail on home network to computer A using computer B

2002-07-17 Thread Adam

Hello Avram,

Wednesday, July 17, 2002, 6:56:32 PM, you wrote:

Acc> How does one go about setting up The Bat on a home network so that e-mail can be
Acc> downloaded to only one of two computers, but the download itself can be

Do you want to share all accounts, or one account?

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Re: downloading e-mail on home network to computer A using computer B

2002-07-17 Thread Jonathan Angliss

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On Wednesday, July 17, 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote...



> Hi, Peter. I knew about downloading while leaving messages on the
> server. However, that's not very clean, because messages might get
> downloaded to the secondary (laptop) computer first. If the laptop
> user leaves the messages on the server, I understand that the main
> desktop would still be able to download and delete those messages
> from the server. However, what if the laptop user downloads a second
> time before the desktop user has a chance to download? In this
> scenario, the laptop user will possibly have double, even triple
> copies of some messages. That's not good, even though the BAT has a
> command for deletion of duplicates. It's still a pain to have to
> deal with. No, what I would like to do is to be able to insure that
> all mail gets downloaded on to one drive and is read on that drive.
> I didn't ask the question, but I would also like to insure that any
> mail that is composed and sent from the laptop is also stored on the
> main (desktop) drive, rather than on the laptop. This way, all mail
> is in one place and readily accessible.

Map a network drive to the other PC from your laptop.  Install TB! on
your desktop PC, use all the normal settings etc.  When installing on
the Laptop, it asks you where you want to store your mail, direct it
to the folder on the other PC.  Add the accounts, and you should be
set to go... I think... I've not tried or tested this ;)  Maybe
somebody that has been using it longer would know the effect.  I'm
sure one possible issue with that setup is you'd have to make sure
they both weren't open at the same time.  But I cannot see anything
too bad with it.

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Re: Off topic messages

2002-07-17 Thread Allie C Martin

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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Paula Ford [PF] wrote:

PF> I've just had to download dozens (hundreds?) of messages dealing
PF> with someone's computer usage issues with his wife, people hating
PF> HTML mail, etc. And, now the threat that a new thread will develop
PF> around XP problems. It's all nice and friendly and cosy, but a
PF> waste of time in both downloading and sorting through messages for
PF> people primarily interested in help/information about TB.

I can sympathize with you here.

TBOT (The Bat off Topic) discussion group was designed for the
explicit purpose of discussing off-topic issues among TB! users. A lot
of experienced TB! users who are otherwise very knowledgeable about
computing in general, subscribe to this list. I ask my off-topic
questions there and *always* get a useful response and quick as on
this list. I strongly suggest that those who need off-topic help
subscribe to this list for it. You'll find that TBOT is quite pleasant
as I do.

We generally make concessions for the occasional off-topic request but
cannot tolerate this if it results in long threads or if the the
requests are frequent.

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or visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tbot/ and subscribe from there.

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Re: downloading e-mail on home network to computer A using computer B

2002-07-17 Thread Avram_Sacks



Hi, Peter.  I knew about downloading while leaving messages on the server.
However, that's not very clean, because messages might get downloaded to the
secondary (laptop) computer first.  If the laptop user leaves the messages on
the server, I understand that the main desktop would still be able to download
and delete those messages from the server.  However, what if the laptop user
downloads a second time before the desktop user has a chance to download?  In
this scenario, the laptop user will possibly have double, even triple copies of
some messages.   That's not good, even though the BAT has a command for deletion
of duplicates.  It's still a pain to have to deal with.  No, what I would like
to do is to be able to insure that all mail gets downloaded on to one drive and
is read on that drive.   I didn't ask the question, but I would also like to
insure that any mail that is composed and sent from the laptop is also stored on
the main (desktop) drive, rather than on the laptop.  This way, all mail is in
one place and readily accessible.

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Avram Sacks
Chicago, IL
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Hello Avram,

Wednesday, July 17, 2002, 1:09:09 PM, you wrote:

AS> How does one go about setting up The Bat on a home network so that e-mail
AS> can be downloaded to only one of two computers, but the download itself can
AS> be commanded by either computer and the e-mail can be read by either
AS> computer?  If possible, this setup would insure that all mail is in one
AS> place, and would allow anyone on the network to read all of it.

AS> FWIW, I am currently using XP Home OS, and The Bat ver. 1.53, but will
AS> upgrade to current version at the time I set up the network.


It's me again. I cam across your e-mail when searching for something else.
I don't know about network, but you can set up BAT that it downloads the
mail, but it leaves on the server. So you can set it up that on Computer A
and you download without deleting on the server, on computer C you download
and delete. But in this case you always have to look for the messages on A
and B before C. Another alternative is you keep the mail on the server for
1 or 2 days.

This is feature is used if you want to see your messages at home, but want
to make sure you get it in your office. Go to Account | account Properties
| Mail management.

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Re: Access Violation Error

2002-07-17 Thread Allie C Martin

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SP> Just upgraded to XP and I've been getting an Access Violation
SP> Error dialog box upon launching TB! It doesn't appear every time I
SP> launch TB! but after 2 or 3 launches. Any ideas?

TB! runs perfectly on XP here. However, I did so after a fresh
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installation.

Upgrades are usually involved with taking chances. I guess you must
have gotten bitten though I'm surprised it would occur with TB!. My
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Re: downloading e-mail on home network to computer A using computer B

2002-07-17 Thread Peter Kerekes

Hello Avram,

Wednesday, July 17, 2002, 1:09:09 PM, you wrote:

AS> How does one go about setting up The Bat on a home network so that e-mail
AS> can be downloaded to only one of two computers, but the download itself can
AS> be commanded by either computer and the e-mail can be read by either
AS> computer?  If possible, this setup would insure that all mail is in one
AS> place, and would allow anyone on the network to read all of it.

AS> FWIW, I am currently using XP Home OS, and The Bat ver. 1.53, but will
AS> upgrade to current version at the time I set up the network. 


It's me again. I cam across your e-mail when searching for something else.
I don't know about network, but you can set up BAT that it downloads the
mail, but it leaves on the server. So you can set it up that on Computer A
and you download without deleting on the server, on computer C you download
and delete. But in this case you always have to look for the messages on A
and B before C. Another alternative is you keep the mail on the server for
1 or 2 days.

This is feature is used if you want to see your messages at home, but want
to make sure you get it in your office. Go to Account | account Properties
| Mail management.

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Re: AVG didn't catch

2002-07-17 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Pete,

@17 July 2002, 14:39 -0600 (21:39 UK time)  Pete Milne [PM] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck D
Pearlstone:

PM> ... I use LMN anti virus which is based on signatures, rules sets
PM> and policies.  This solution is set so it will not allow any .pif
PM> attachments to get to my email client.

Yes, but my email client doesn't let me execute .pifs anyway (not
without a fight) ... nor does my brain! This is a bit of a pointless
and valueless example really. Your LMN AV doesn't do anything common
sense wasn't doing in the first place.

PM> Therefore if I don't get the daily update for some reason, I am
PM> protected from this virus regardless.

This one yes, but that's not what I'm talking about.

PM> How does this rate as a "false security"?

Because when you are the *first* victim (or second or third) of a
whole *new* virus and are reliant on your scanner to pronounce it
"clean", *that* is a false security. That's what I'm talking about.

I am dealing with a thread here where many people are talking about
how their "heuristic" "bloodhound" technology catches viruses that
don't even exist yet. Don't try to sidetrack the point with stuff
about .pif script kiddie attacks.

Me? I don't expect to be immune from first attacks. Nor should you. If
you do then that, right there, is your "false security".

I was hit by one sometime around 1990 when running a BBS at a
communications software house for which I was technical director and
(for once) actually *know* what I'm talking about.

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Encrypt addressbook

2002-07-17 Thread Adam

Thought you'd like to know:

===8<==Original message text===
And for those of you worried about worms, it looks as though Ben Brady
has created something just for you: "Well, I have finally gotten fed
up with all of the script kiddies and virii that are going around
stealing people's email addresses... so what did I do? I've created a
new program to take care of the problem. Secure Address Book! * It uses
an encrypted database to store your email contact information so that
virii and email worms that are so prevalent on the Internet cannot
steal your contact information to propagate. Now you can continue to
use Outlook Express or any other email client and keep your email and
contact information safe. Once you import your email contact
information via a .CSV file that you export from your existing address
book (which you can then empty) all you have to do to send an email to
someone is simply restore the Secure Address Book from your system
tray, highlight the contact in the browse and click on the send
button. Up pops a new message screen ready for your email content. It
works with any email client you can set up as your default email
program."

* http://www.y2kbrady.com/firewallreporting/

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downloading e-mail on home network to computer A using computer B

2002-07-17 Thread Avram_Sacks



How does one go about setting up The Bat on a home network so that e-mail can be
downloaded to only one of two computers, but the download itself can be
commanded by either computer and the e-mail can be read by either computer?  If
possible, this setup would insure that all mail is in one place, and would allow
anyone on the network to read all of it.

FWIW, I am currently using XP Home OS, and The Bat ver. 1.53, but will upgrade
to current version at the time I set up the network.

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Chicago, IL
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Re: Undeliverable mail to list

2002-07-17 Thread Jonathan Angliss

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On Wednesday, July 17, 2002, Andy Morrison wrote...

> Hello list

>   Can anybody explain what's going on here? I've probably
>   made some stupid mistake, but I have just received the
>   following error message for each of my posts to the list
>   last week.

It's not you... I think somebody subbed to the list has a bad email
now, and it is bouncing... I got about 17 of them about 30 mins ago.

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Re: I hate HTML mail

2002-07-17 Thread Peter Meyns

Hi Richard,

on Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:27:03 +0100GMT (16.07.02, 19:27 +0200GMT here),
you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

RE> I am trying to convince my Mother to switch from "lookout" to the bat
RE> whilst  she  is quite impressed with the ease of use and functionality
RE> she has one problem which I know you're all going to Love :-)

RE> She  receives a number of "Funnies" from her friends which consist of
RE> a  joke  written  in  HTML  with  coloured  backgrounds  animated gifs
RE> embedded in the text etc.

As Nick mentioned, she can use her browser to open the message. You can set
Internet Explorer to not use active-x. That should do the most to prevent
her from real harm.

I feel a little in charge for my mother's PC too. In addition to
deactivating active-x, I installed and explained to her a little tool -
Script Defender - that warns her about attempts to open possibly dangerous
files.

You might suggest another browser, too. ;-) (No, you'd
better not bother - I'm happy to have my mother's Outlook Express set to
plain text as default... *S*)

Any follow-up on other mothers' PCs should occur on TBOT, I think. It might be
an interesting topic... ;o)

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Undeliverable mail to list

2002-07-17 Thread Andy Morrison

Hello list

  Can anybody explain what's going on here? I've probably
  made some stupid mistake, but I have just received the
  following error message for each of my posts to the list
  last week.
  
>Received: from [62.72.223.29] (helo=svrmsp01.whepp.nl)
>by praseodumium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #8)
>id 17UuhQ-0003Oc-00
>for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 20:43:00 +0100
>Received: from mail1.whepp.nl ([10.248.24.131]) by
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>  GZES3N00.62X for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 17 Jul
>  2002 21:42:59 +0200
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>From: Mail Administrator <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Mail Administrator <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Mail System Error - Returned Mail
>Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:42:13 +0200
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>Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status;
>Boundary="===_ _= 3713073(21281+5972480)"
>Status:


>This Message was undeliverable due to the following reason:

>Your message was not delivered because the destination computer was
>not reachable within the allowed queue period.  The amount of time
>a message is queued before it is returned depends on local configura-
>tion parameters.

>Most likely there is a network problem that prevented delivery, but
>it is also possible that the computer is turned off, or does not
>have a mail system running right now.

>The queue containing messages destined for Mailbox-Deliver
>was expired by the Postmaster of mail1.whepp.nl.
>The following recipients did not receive your message:

>Please reply to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>if you feel this message to be in error.


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Re[2]: AVG didn't catch

2002-07-17 Thread Pete Milne



Replying to your message of Wednesday, July 17, 2002, 10:41:35 AM:

MDP> Let's
MDP> not have any more of the hype here please.

Hypehow do you mean that??

For example, there is a new virus written tonight.  This virus is delivered
in a .pif attachment (like Klez is).  Tomorrow comes, if you are using XYZ anti virus 
and
it is based solely on signature updates, unless you get the days update you are
vulnerable to this virus.  Me on the other hand, I use LMN anti virus which
is based on signatures, rules sets and policies.  This solution is set
so it will not allow any .pif attachments to get to my email client.  Therefore if
I don't get the daily update for some reason, I am protected from this
virus regardless.

How does this rate as a "false security"?

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Re: personalised mass-mailing?

2002-07-17 Thread Peter Meyns

Hi Marck,

on Wed, 17 Jul 2002 20:52:20 +0100GMT (17.07.02, 21:52 +0200GMT here),
you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

PM>> I looked at the message's headers. Some servers seem to have
PM>> received it with a wrong dateline.

MDP> No - the message has crossed the dateline and come back again.

...

MDP> Having spent TWO DAYS languishing at mrelayng0.kundenserver.de

MDP> Does that help?

Yes, it does. *vbs*

So, should I tell them to adjust their calendar? ;)

I'm glad they now seem to work properly again. :o)

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Re: Message submitted to 'tbudl'

2002-07-17 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Terry,

@17 July 2002, 12:35 -0700 (20:35 UK time)  Terry G. Munson [T] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck on TBUDL:

T> I don't know what I did wrong...since I just clicked on the
T> "Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"; that is on
T> every message sent out by the list!! ;-) ...but I am sure that I
T> screwed up somewhere.

T> I will follow your advice.

Here's what you did wrong - and I'll make it public so that everyone
can see that it doesn't work to say "Well, I use folder templates all
the time and they always work well for me".


I have a pet hate in TB. That pet hate is named "Folder Templates". In
150 folders I have two and only two that have folder templates. They
are for two specific lists which don't set the reply address properly.

There is nothing else for which folder templates can be used that
can't be covered and even improved upon using Address Book templates.
There are "dangers" in using Folder Templates that are not there when
you use AB templates.

The dangers are all complacency based and are at their worst in
templates which use the "%TO=" macro. If, at the instant you start a
new message you happen to be focused on the wrong folder, the message
gets given the wrong address. This happens when you click a mailto
without changing folders. The results vary from embarrassing to
excruciating depending upon the content of the misdirected mail.

BTW - another mistake in such templates is to use the construct
%TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" without a "%TO=''" before it. So any
pre-existing addresses are retained.

Back to the lecture: every time I say this, someone takes exception to
something I've said with comments like "'danger' is a bit harsh" or
"I've used Folder templates for ages and it's never gone wrong for
me".

Here's a fact for you: it goes wrong. That's why I'm writing this
message yet again.

It works exactly as designed and that design has a fundamental flaw.
The flaw is that it places too much responsibility on the user to make
sure that the addresses given on a new message are those intended.

With address book templates, there is never a mistake of this kind.
Replies are perfectly directed. New messages are "a bit trickier".
Instead of clicking to the folder then clicking for a new message, you
have to click to the right of the new message button and select the
list address from the favourites (having denoted that the address *is*
a favourite in the address book).


You have a TBUDL folder that has folder templates that are killing
your ability to target a message to anywhere but the list from that
folder. Please use AB templates for everything you possibly can. It
will save facial egg removal issues every time.

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Re: personalised mass-mailing?

2002-07-17 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Peter,

@17 July 2002, 21:20 +0200 (20:20 UK time)  Peter Meyns [PM] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Peter Meyns on
TBUDL:

PM> I looked at the message's headers. Some servers seem to have
PM> received it with a wrong dateline.

No - the message has crossed the dateline and come back again.

PM> It was sent on July 16, and some responses show July 18:

PM> ,- [ [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
PM> | Received: from [203.130.233.9] (helo=home.worldless.net)
PM> | by mxng03.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #2)
PM> | id 17UtWc-0006tV-00
PM> | for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 20:27:47 +0200

This evening it arrived back at your place.

PM> | Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=thebat.dutaint.com)
PM> | by home.worldless.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2001)
PM> | id 17UtQ9-8Q-00; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:21:05 +0700

Having left Indonesia at 01:21 tomorrow morning.. that's 20:21 this
evening local time a.k.a six minutes earlier. No mystery there!

PM> | Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.176] 
helo=moutng2.kundenserver.de)
PM> | by home.worldless.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2001)
PM> | id 17UtQ6-88-00
PM> | for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:21:03 +0700

Having arrived in Indonesia from your ISP two seconds before it went
out again.

PM> | Received: from [212.227.126.160] (helo=mrelayng0.kundenserver.de)
PM> | by moutng2.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #2)
PM> | id 17UXc2-lW-00
PM> | for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:03:54 +0200

Having spent TWO DAYS languishing at mrelayng0.kundenserver.de

PM> I'd really like to know why those delays happen. :-)

Does that help?

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DEAD HORSE (was Well off topics)

2002-07-17 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Thomas,

@17 July 2002, 02:21 +0700 (20:21 UK time)  Thomas F [TF] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marcus Ohlström on
TBUDL:

MO>> Ehrr? What is a drive refresh?



This topic has gone way "off" / too long and I am forced to pronounce
it dead. It didn't really belong here to start with.

Please take it off-list or to TBOT.

For anyone unfamiliar with Dead Horse policy, DEAD means DEAD. NO
REPLIES to the list, only off-list or on TBOT.

Thank you.


TF> (@mods: I hear the trouts are out for spawning season).

Paula has made me feel remiss in my duties and I've just hauled in a
huge net-full of trouts. So OT threads ... I'm coming for you!

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Re: personalised mass-mailing?

2002-07-17 Thread Thomas F

Hello Peter,

On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:28:30 +0200 GMT (18/07/02, 02:28 +0700 GMT),
Peter Meyns wrote:

PM> So you suggest it's in kundenserver's responsibility? I'll
PM> complain to them! *S*

I don't suggest. I *know*. ;-)

PM> Have a good night, Thomas :-)

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Re[2]: Message submitted to 'tbudl'

2002-07-17 Thread Terry G. Munson

Hi Marck

On Wednesday, July 17, 2002, Marck wrote the following on the subject "Message 
submitted to 'tbudl'"
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> Hi Terry,

> There is a problem with this message to the list. It didn't make it
> there. It was intercepted by the server for us to look at because:

>> Failed administrivia check on pattern '^unsubscribe$'

> To unsubscribe, follow the instructions in 1) the welcome message you
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> every message sent out by the list!! ;-). 5) If all else fails, send a
> message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wait for the
> "Confirm" response. Reply to that. That should do it.


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Re: personalised mass-mailing?

2002-07-17 Thread Peter Meyns

Hi Thomas,

on Thu, 18 Jul 2002 02:13:22 +0700GMT (17.07.02, 21:13 +0200GMT here),
you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

PM>> Is this on DutaInt's behalf or somewhere else?

TF> Looking at the headers of that "missing" message:

PM>> Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.176] 
helo=moutng2.kundenserver.de)
PM>> by home.worldless.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2001)
PM>> id 17UtQ6-88-00
PM>> for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:21:03 +0700
PM>> Received: from [212.227.126.160] (helo=mrelayng0.kundenserver.de)
PM>> by moutng2.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #2)
PM>> id 17UXc2-lW-00
PM>> for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:03:54 +0200

TF> ... well, you can figure it out. ;-)

So you suggest it's in kundenserver's responsibility? I'll complain to
them! *S*

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Re: Well off topics

2002-07-17 Thread Thomas F

Hello Marcus,

On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:11:42 +0200 GMT (18/07/02, 02:11 +0700 GMT),
Marcus Ohlström wrote:

MO> Ehrr? What is a drive refresh?

>From www.microsoft/windows/hiddenfeatures/refresh :

> In order to achieve best performance, you should sometimes choose
> Start / Run and key in the command "Format C:" (without quotes). Of
> course, you can choose any drive you want. You'll be surpised how
> much free space you get.

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Re: personalised mass-mailing?

2002-07-17 Thread Peter Meyns

Hi Peter,

on Wed, 17 Jul 2002 20:59:59 +0200GMT (17.07.02, 20:59 +0200GMT here),
you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

PM> Wow, great! my message of yesterday has arrived! ;o) I wonder where it
PM> spent the time in between. *G* Now there's only one more missing...

PM> Is this on DutaInt's behalf or somewhere else?

I looked at the message's headers. Some servers seem to have received it
with a wrong dateline. It was sent on July 16, and some responses show
July 18:

,- [ [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
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| by mxng03.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #2)
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| for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 20:27:47 +0200
| Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=thebat.dutaint.com)
| by home.worldless.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2001)
| id 17UtQ9-8Q-00; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:21:05 +0700
| Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.176] 
|helo=moutng2.kundenserver.de)
| by home.worldless.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2001)
| id 17UtQ6-88-00
| for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:21:03 +0700
| Received: from [212.227.126.160] (helo=mrelayng0.kundenserver.de)
| by moutng2.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #2)
| id 17UXc2-lW-00
| for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:03:54 +0200
| Received: from [217.230.167.250] (helo=pD9E6A7FA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
| by mrelayng0.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1)
| id 17UXc2-0001Ag-00
| for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:03:54 +0200
| Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:04:31 +0200
| From: Peter Meyns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
`-

I'd really like to know why those delays happen. :-)

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Re: personalised mass-mailing?

2002-07-17 Thread Thomas F

Hello Peter,

On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 20:59:59 +0200 GMT (18/07/02, 01:59 +0700 GMT),
Peter Meyns wrote:

PM> Is this on DutaInt's behalf or somewhere else?

Looking at the headers of that "missing" message:

PM> Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.176] 
helo=moutng2.kundenserver.de)
PM> by home.worldless.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2001)
PM> id 17UtQ6-88-00
PM> for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:21:03 +0700
PM> Received: from [212.227.126.160] (helo=mrelayng0.kundenserver.de)
PM> by moutng2.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #2)
PM> id 17UXc2-lW-00
PM> for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:03:54 +0200

... well, you can figure it out. ;-)

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Re: Well off topics

2002-07-17 Thread Marcus Ohlström


On Wednesday, July 17, 2002, 19:44, Lynn Turriff wrote:

> Here too, with WinNT4 and W2kPro. W2k seems a little better at
> releasing the files .. sometimes a drive refresh will do it.
> Sometimes not.

Ehrr? What is a drive refresh?

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Re: personalised mass-mailing?

2002-07-17 Thread Peter Meyns

Hi Peter,

on Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:04:31 +0200GMT (16.07.02, 21:04 +0200GMT here),
you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

PM> There is a mass mailing feature in TB!, but I haven't used it yet. You need
PM> an address book group for it, so much I followed the threads. :-)

Wow, great! my message of yesterday has arrived! ;o) I wonder where it
spent the time in between. *G* Now there's only one more missing...

Is this on DutaInt's behalf or somewhere else?

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Re: Well off topics

2002-07-17 Thread Jonathan Angliss

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On Wednesday, July 17, 2002, SyP wrote...

> You really should check in Novell Client -> Advanced Properties that
> File Caching is set to OFF and File Commit is set to ON. They come
> with wrong defaults in Novell Client 4.83 and it caused a lot of
> stability and speed problems in my workplace.

XP Novell client (one that gets installed with XP I mean) doesn't have
an advanced page ;) But thanks for the suggestion.

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Re: Well off topics

2002-07-17 Thread SyP

Hello Jonathan Angliss,
 
You wrote on 17/07/2002, 19:34:

Jonathan> I have that issue too, but I have it using Novell servers (the novell
Jonathan> client with WinXP is really bad).

You really should check in Novell Client -> Advanced Properties that
File Caching is set to OFF and File Commit is set to ON. They come
with wrong defaults in Novell Client 4.83 and it caused a lot of
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Re: Access Violation Error

2002-07-17 Thread Thomas F

Hello Sudip,

On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 00:10:16 +0545 GMT (18/07/02, 01:25 +0700 GMT),
Sudip Pokhrel wrote:

SP>Just upgraded to XP and I've been getting an Access Violation Error
SP>dialog box upon launching TB! It doesn't appear every time I launch
SP>TB! but after 2 or 3 launches. Any ideas?

No, because you don't post the text of the AV warning.

And I understand that XP is not an "upgrade". 

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Re: Off topic messages

2002-07-17 Thread Thomas F

Hello Paula,

On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:53:11 -0700 (PDT) GMT (18/07/02, 00:53 +0700 GMT),
PFord wrote:

P> I've just had to download dozens (hundreds?)

mere dozons.

P> of messages dealing with

[OT stuff]

The mods are out of trouts...

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Re: Color Groups in INBOX message list

2002-07-17 Thread Thomas F

Hello Joyce,

On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 20:46:31 +0200 GMT (18/07/02, 01:46 +0700 GMT),
Joyce Sala wrote:

JS> I  don't  seem to be able to make TB give the proper colors to the mex
JS> as  they  arrive  into  the Inbox. There seems to be no way that i can
JS> tell it : every time you get mex from/to XY paint it... pink.

Works here. I don't use pink for my boss but blue

JS> Can anybody explain to me what I'm doing wrong, please?

If you don't mind posting the fitler here, we'll dissect it (vicously,
as usual ). Go to the filter, press crtl-C, and paste into your
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Re: personalised mass-mailing?

2002-07-17 Thread Peter Meyns

Hi Deborah,

on Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:01:39 +0100GMT (16.07.02, 19:01 +0200GMT here),
you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

DW> You know that junk-mail you get?

Oh yeah... *sigh*

DW> I need to do that with emails.

Oh heavens! ;-)

There is a mass mailing feature in TB!, but I haven't used it yet. You need
an address book group for it, so much I followed the threads. :-)

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Access Violation Error

2002-07-17 Thread Sudip Pokhrel

Hi Batpeople,

   Just upgraded to XP and I've been getting an Access Violation Error
   dialog box upon launching TB! It doesn't appear every time I launch
   TB! but after 2 or 3 launches. Any ideas?

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Re: Launch Failure

2002-07-17 Thread David R. Austen

Hello, Curt:


This won't help you now, but I notice that my local computer retailer
has stern warning for all who walk up to the counter.

They say there are numerous SW problems due to XP issues and that they
will not offer any SW support for boxes running XP. Even when they
have sold the box and software installed. It is a very generalized
warning.


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C> TheBat! refuses to launch under WinXPpro. The splash screen displays,
C> TheBat! appears in the task bar, but both disappear after a few
C> seconds, and TheBat! never completely starts. I had reinstalled 1.60c, installed 
1.60q--all with no
C> improvement.

C> Once was I would have this problem now and the--rebooting always
C> solved it. Now it's a solid problem.

C> Any ideas?

C> TIA...

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Re: TBUDL archive?

2002-07-17 Thread Dwight A Corrin

On Wednesday, July 17, 2002, 12:40:13 PM, Jonathan Angliss wrote:

> I was going to snip mine down a bit, but decided to keep it

I just moved several thousand older messages from TBUDL and TBBETA to
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Re: TBUDL archive?

2002-07-17 Thread Jonathan Angliss

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On Wednesday, July 17, 2002, Greg Strong wrote...

> IIRC I might have started that thread. My memory tells me that
> Melissa Reese informed me of Mailbag. Do you have a URL for Mailbag?

http://www.fookes.com/mailbag/index.html <-- that look right?

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Re: TBUDL archive?

2002-07-17 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Greg,

@17 July 2002, 12:20 -0500 (18:20 UK time)  Greg Strong [GS] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Jonathan Angliss:

JA>> In that instance, Msg 5 may not be searched... just an idea, and I
JA>> guess very possible based on the fact that you cannot see all the
JA>> items in the list when you display via thread view.

GS> I wish one of the moderators would answer and take the guessing out of
GS> this. What good is a search when or if it does NOT search the entire
GS> archive from web?

That won't help . We don't run the archive. It's a public facility.
Just make the archive submission address a member of the list and
messages get archived. How it works beyond that is beyond me/us.

See http://www.mail-archive.com for access to About and FAQ screens
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Re: TBUDL archive?

2002-07-17 Thread Greg Strong

Hello Jonathan,

Wednesday, July 17, 2002, 12:40:13 PM, you wrote:

JA> Some mentions of packages such as MailBag appeared in the thread.

IIRC I might have started that thread.  My memory tells me that
Melissa Reese informed me of Mailbag. Do you have a URL for Mailbag?

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Off topic messages

2002-07-17 Thread PFord

I've just had to download dozens (hundreds?) of messages dealing with
someone's computer usage issues with his wife, people hating HTML mail, etc.
And, now the threat that a new thread will develop around XP problems. It's
all nice and friendly and cosy, but a waste of time in both downloading and
sorting through messages for people primarily interested in help/information
about TB.

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Re[2]: Well off topics

2002-07-17 Thread Lynn Turriff



Wednesday, July 17, 2002, 10:34:24 AM, you wrote:

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JA> On Wednesday, July 17, 2002, Michael Thompson wrote...

>> I am using WinXP Professional and every once in a while I am unable
>> to delete some directorys, rename them etc. I get the Message that
>> it may be in use by another process or user.

[snip]

Here too, with WinNT4 and W2kPro. W2k seems a little
better at releasing the files .. sometimes a drive refresh
will do it. Sometimes not.

Lynn


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Re: TBUDL archive?

2002-07-17 Thread Jonathan Angliss

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On Wednesday, July 17, 2002, Greg Strong wrote...

> I only keep 30 days worth. I'm trying to minimize HD space. I
> thought I'd use archive when older. This experience of mine tells me
> either we are approaching search wrong, or I can NOT rely on
> archive.

I was going to snip mine down a bit, but decided to keep it as it
contains nuggets of info all over the place, and it's quicker, and
more accurate to search for things in TB than via the archive.  There
was some mentioning of local archiving via another program a while
back.  My archives go back to when I signed up, which was back in May
I think... I have just a little over 6,000 messages in the TBUDL
folder.

http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg31914.html
^^ Was one thread.  Another was a thread with the topic "CD-Rom
Archives" unfortunately I cannot get the list archives to go back to
7th of May, but if you'd like a copy, I can zip the thread up, and
mail it over.  Some mentions of packages such as MailBag appeared in
the thread.

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Color Groups in INBOX message list

2002-07-17 Thread Joyce Sala

Hello everybody,

I  don't  seem to be able to make TB give the proper colors to the mex
as  they  arrive  into  the Inbox. There seems to be no way that i can
tell it : every time you get mex from/to XY paint it... pink.

And  if  *I* have to do it manually _after_ I've received and read all
my mex, then the feature for me is moot.

Can anybody explain to me what I'm doing wrong, please?

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Re: Well off topics

2002-07-17 Thread Jonathan Angliss

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On Wednesday, July 17, 2002, Michael Thompson wrote...

> I am using WinXP Professional and every once in a while I am unable
> to delete some directorys, rename them etc. I get the Message that
> it may be in use by another process or user. there are no other
> users, and there are no processes using any directorys. ( I have
> shut down the Indexing Service) the files within the directorys can
> still be deleted, renamed etc, just the directory. A reboot enables
> deletion. Any one got any Ideas?

I have that issue too, but I have it using Novell servers (the novell
client with WinXP is really bad). When I try
overwriting/deleting/moving files on the server, it throws that
message, or "the file/folder doesn't exist" message which is even more
confusing. I do most of the moving about on the server via my Win98
machine ;) Sorry I cannot give you any ideas to solve it though.
Wouldn't mind some myself.

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Re: TBUDL archive?

2002-07-17 Thread Jonathan Angliss

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On Wednesday, July 17, 2002, Greg Strong wrote...

> I understand this to mean you found it after you downloaded archived
> messages. How did you download TB! archive?

I didn't... I meant I downloaded a file this morning, was 85megs, and
I got it in about 89 seconds. Was just showing how having wide band
really didn't make any different in searching the archives ;) There is
some list archiving software that actually allows you to download the
archives in .txt or .tar.gz (those non-unix can open that in winzip),
but I've not seen any sign (not really looked) of that for this list.

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Well off topics

2002-07-17 Thread Michael Thompson

Hello tbudl,

  I know this may not be the place for this, but I am really starting
  to get bugged by this.

  I am using WinXP Professional and every once in a while I am unable
  to delete some directorys, rename them etc. I get the Message that
  it may be in use by another process or user. there are no other
  users, and there are no processes using any directorys. ( I have
  shut down the Indexing Service) the files within the directorys can
  still be deleted, renamed etc, just the directory. A reboot enables
  deletion. Any one got any Ideas?

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Re: TBUDL archive?

2002-07-17 Thread Greg Strong

Hello Jonathan,

Wednesday, July 17, 2002, 11:39:26 AM, you wrote:

JA> I didn't find it when I searched... and I have a very wide band ;)
JA> I can download 85meg files in about 89 seconds via FTP... at least
JA> that was the speed this morning when I tried ;) I even tried
JA> putting in the first line to see if it'd fine it, and it didn't.

I understand this to mean you found it after you downloaded archived
messages. How did you download TB! archive?

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Re: TBUDL archive?

2002-07-17 Thread Greg Strong

Hello Thomas,

Wednesday, July 17, 2002, 11:35:40 AM, you wrote:

TF> If it's any consolation, I was trying to your message in the archives
TF> after your posting and couldn't find it either. I even tried searching
TF> for some key words in the message body (like factor/possibility) but
TF> still came up negative.

See Jonathan's message/reply per
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TF> FWIW I keep 180 days' worth of messages for this list on my computer,
TF> and that's where I search (if necessary), using TB's superior search
TF> facility. If it's older than 180 days, well then I don't have it.
TF> Hardly ever matters.

I only keep 30 days worth.  I'm trying to minimize HD space.  I
thought I'd use archive when older.  This experience of mine tells me
either we are approaching search wrong, or I can NOT rely on archive.

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Re: TBUDL archive?

2002-07-17 Thread Jonathan Angliss

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On Wednesday, July 17, 2002, Greg Strong wrote...

JA>> I even tried putting in the first line to see if it'd fine it,
JA>> and it didn't.

> I assume you mean when you searched off web.

Yes... I found it from the msgid in my message base, and then used
that to try finding it in the archives.

> I wish one of the moderators would answer and take the guessing out
> of this.

Would be good. ;)

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Re: TBUDL archive?

2002-07-17 Thread Greg Strong

Hello Jonathan,

Wednesday, July 17, 2002, 11:39:26 AM, you wrote:

JA> I didn't find it when I searched... and I have a very wide band ;)  I
JA> can download 85meg files in about 89 seconds via FTP... at least that
JA> was the speed this morning when I tried ;)

Wow that is fast.

JA> I even tried putting in
JA> the first line to see if it'd fine it, and it didn't.

I assume you mean when you searched off web.

JA> I think it could be because it went too deep for the search to
JA> maybe record it. For example the list search may have a cut off
JA> point like this:

JA> - - Msg 1
JA>   - Msg 2
JA> - Msg 3
JA>   - Msg 4
JA> (Cut off point)
JA>   - Msg 5

JA> In that instance, Msg 5 may not be searched... just an idea, and I
JA> guess very possible based on the fact that you cannot see all the
JA> items in the list when you display via thread view.

I wish one of the moderators would answer and take the guessing out of
this. What good is a search when or if it does NOT search the entire
archive from web?

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Re: Importing some fields into AB

2002-07-17 Thread Tim Musson

Hey Joseph,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.61) Business' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 at 4:24:48 PM.

JN> Forgive my asking a question here as a shortcut; I think I could
JN> trial-and-error my way to an answer of this, but I don't have the
JN> time: I need to import several hundred records into a new AB group
JN> from another program. The address records in that other program
JN> all have titles such as Mr., Ms., Dr., etc. I don't want those in
JN> my TB! group, but if I import them my customary way, as vCards,
JN> all fields come over. Is there a way to import everything except
JN> the contents of a specified field?

How about editing your .vcf file and stripping out the titles?  A good
text editor (like TextPad, Vim, UltraEdit, etc.) should be able to do
that fairly easily.

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downloading e-mail on home network to computer A using computer B

2002-07-17 Thread Avram Sacks

How does one go about setting up The Bat on a home network so that e-mail
can be downloaded to only one of two computers, but the download itself can
be commanded by either computer and the e-mail can be read by either
computer?  If possible, this setup would insure that all mail is in one
place, and would allow anyone on the network to read all of it.

FWIW, I am currently using XP Home OS, and The Bat ver. 1.53, but will
upgrade to current version at the time I set up the network. 

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DEAD HORSE (was [OT] I hate HTML mail)

2002-07-17 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Dierk,

@17 July 2002, 18:10 +0200 (17:10 UK time)  Dierk Haasis [DH] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Ben Kennish:

>> NOOO! Why do you use Opera?  It isn't properly CSS or HTML compliant!

DH> Actually it is 100% HTML 4 compliant. And CSS. It only lacks in DOM.



This topic has gone way "off" / too long and I am forced to pronounce
it dead.

I have replied to TBOT (because I don't mind carrying it on, as long
as it's not here).

For anyone unfamiliar with Dead Horse policy, DEAD means DEAD. NO
REPLIES to the list, only off-list or on TBOT.

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Launch Failure

2002-07-17 Thread Curt

A bug report failed to get a response, so I'll see if anyone here has
had this problem--and a solution:

TheBat! refuses to launch under WinXPpro. The splash screen displays,
TheBat! appears in the task bar, but both disappear after a few
seconds, and TheBat! never completely starts. I had reinstalled 1.60c, installed 
1.60q--all with no
improvement.

Once was I would have this problem now and the--rebooting always
solved it. Now it's a solid problem.

Any ideas?

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Re: AVG didn't catch

2002-07-17 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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@17 July 2002, 10:06 -0600 (17:06 UK time)  Pete Milne [PM] in
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Pearlstone:

PM> This is true only if you have an anti virus that is based on daily
PM> signatures to be effective. If you have a solution that is based on rule
PM> sets and policies, as well as signatures, your vulnerability will be
PM> greatly decreased.

LOL! Blimey! What a load of baloney you lot manage to digest and
store! That was pure techno-babble! I mean no offence by this. As an
older statesman of the software industry I've seen a lot of claims and
counter claims (and made a few) and they always amuse me.

Look, virus writers take it as a challenge to write one that will dive
in under the scanners of the leading AV players. That's the challenge
and the meat and two veg of what they *do*. Their purpose. Their
raison d'etre. That's all you need to understand to realize that the
AV vendors will *ALWAYS* be playing catch up. That's *their* job.
Anything else they say is just wishful thinking and marketing hype.

Virus are written to work, not to be caught before they leave the
starting pistol. Hey - guess what - people get hit by them! So they
*do* works. And AV software doesn't, not until a new virus has been
identified catalogued and added to the database. That's a fact. Let's
not have any more of the hype here please. It's a paliative at best
and a false security at worst.

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Re: TBUDL archive?

2002-07-17 Thread Jonathan Angliss

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On Wednesday, July 17, 2002, Greg Strong wrote...

> Yes!  Thank you!  I must have missed it this AM.  I wish I was on wide
> band.  Doing search on dial up can take time which causes frustration
> when unsuccessful.

I didn't find it when I searched... and I have a very wide band ;)  I
can download 85meg files in about 89 seconds via FTP... at least that
was the speed this morning when I tried ;)  I even tried putting in
the first line to see if it'd fine it, and it didn't.

> I don't know.  This thread did meander.  If someone knows a better way
> to use search function in archive, I hope they would fill us in. 

I don't think it's because the thread meandered... I think it could be
because it went too deep for the search to maybe record it.  For
example the list search may have a cut off point like this:

- - Msg 1
  - Msg 2
- Msg 3
  - Msg 4
(Cut off point)
  - Msg 5

In that instance, Msg 5 may not be searched... just an idea, and I
guess very possible based on the fact that you cannot see all the
items in the list when you display via thread view.

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Re: TBUDL archive?

2002-07-17 Thread Thomas F

Hello Greg,

On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:29:47 -0500 GMT (17/07/02, 23:29 +0700 GMT),
Greg Strong wrote:

GS> I don't know.  This thread did meander.  If someone knows a better way
GS> to use search function in archive, I hope they would fill us in. 

If it's any consolation, I was trying to your message in the archives
after your posting and couldn't find it either. I even tried searching
for some key words in the message body (like factor/possibility) but
still came up negative.

FWIW I keep 180 days' worth of messages for this list on my computer,
and that's where I search (if necessary), using TB's superior search
facility. If it's older than 180 days, well then I don't have it.
Hardly ever matters.

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Re: TBUDL archive?

2002-07-17 Thread Greg Strong

Hello Jonathan,

Wednesday, July 17, 2002, 11:02:46 AM, you wrote:

JA> Yes... but as far as I can guess... the headers are stripped out, so
JA> you may not be able to search for a message id.

I tried to search on ID, but was unsuccessful. As you, I discovered
that headers are gone in archive. So unless someone can tell me
otherwise, you can NOT search on message ID.

JA> http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg44050.html

JA> Would that be the message you were after?

Yes!  Thank you!  I must have missed it this AM.  I wish I was on wide
band.  Doing search on dial up can take time which causes frustration
when unsuccessful.

JA> Unfortunately the search facility doesn't seem to work quite as
JA> well as liked, I had to go to search for the thread (like you
JA> did), open the first message, and use the thread navigator buttons
JA> (<-- thread -->) and went through it like that.

I agree search function could be better, but something is better than
nothing.

JA> It could be because it got nested really deep into the thread that
JA> the mail search doesn't go that far.

I don't know.  This thread did meander.  If someone knows a better way
to use search function in archive, I hope they would fill us in. 

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Re: [OT] I hate HTML mail

2002-07-17 Thread Dierk Haasis

Hello Ben!

On Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 1:35:03 AM you wrote:

> NOOO! Why do you use Opera?  It isn't properly CSS or HTML compliant!

Actually it is 100% HTML 4 compliant. And CSS. It only lacks in DOM.

> Please please please use a browser based on the Gecko engine

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Re[2]: Apply filter now? (REPOST)

2002-07-17 Thread Sergey Uvarov

Dear Thomas,

Wednesday, July 17, 2002, 2:28:46 PM, you wrote:


TF> Hello Marck,

TF> On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:11:54 +0100 GMT (17/07/02, 19:11 +0700 GMT),
TF> Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

MDP>> Sorting office | (filter) | Options | Execute action ...

MDP>> It's an option of the Hotkey setting.

TF> Found it. So you will still have to assign one hotkey for each filter.

 You can assign hotkey to "refilter" action (in "folders" menu)
 When you select folder and press this hotkey - it will ask what
 ruleset to apply (income/read/ replied etc) - that's all.

 Ofcourse, I assume, that inbox was processed by other filters before.
 So you will check only newly created filter(s).



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Re[2]: AVG didn't catch

2002-07-17 Thread Pete Milne



Replying to your message of Tuesday, July 16, 2002, 9:20:26 PM:

MDP> This is always going to be a problem with *any* AV software. Any new
MDP> variants and especially a completely new virus won't be spotted until
MDP> at least one person reports it to the AV vendor for them to update their
MDP> database and issue a new one.

Hey Marck,

This is true only if you have an anti virus that is based on daily
signatures to be effective. If you have a solution that is based on rule
sets and policies, as well as signatures, your vulnerability will be
greatly decreased.

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Re: TBUDL archive?

2002-07-17 Thread Jonathan Angliss

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On Wednesday, July 17, 2002, Greg Strong wrote...

> So I'll ask my original question again. Does all messages sent to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] get archived?

Yes... but as far as I can guess... the headers are stripped out, so
you may not be able to search for a message id.

http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg44050.html

Would that be the message you were after?  Unfortunately the search
facility doesn't seem to work quite as well as liked, I had to go to
search for the thread (like you did), open the first message, and use
the thread navigator buttons (<-- thread -->) and went through it like
that.  It could be because it got nested really deep into the thread
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Re: TBUDL archive?

2002-07-17 Thread Greg Strong

Hello Thomas,

Wednesday, July 17, 2002, 8:54:53 AM, you wrote:

TF> Check the footer of this very reply. ;-)

Yes, I know the URL which re-directs you to
http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/. I've check the
archive for [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and either I
missed it, or it is not there. This is a reply message dated 7/14/02.
I did the search on the subject "Trouble checking mail with ALT F2."

So I'll ask my original question again. Does all messages sent to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] get archived?

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Re[2]: OT: Sharing after marriage

2002-07-17 Thread Lynn Turriff



Wednesday, July 17, 2002, 8:32:20 AM, you wrote:
[snip]

JA> I personally cannot stand emails flying into my inbox
JA> with size 50 purple font, on yellow backgrounds (which
JA> is always the case from a friend). That is something I
JA> like about TB!, the ability to turn off the HTML when
JA> it comes in. I unfortunately couldn't work out how to
JA> do that in OE/OL.

JA> - --
JA> Jonathan Angliss

That's no joy, but it's the 5pt fonts in pale green on
pale blue that make me froth at the mouth .. if you don't
want it read, why send it? lol!

Websites, too, come to think of it ..

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Re: OT: Sharing after marriage

2002-07-17 Thread Thomas F

Hello Dwight,

On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:23:14 -0500 GMT (17/07/02, 22:23 +0700 GMT),
Dwight A Corrin wrote:

DAC> I was computing in New York, and on hot summer days the brown outs
DAC> were for the whole metro area. By noon you were lucky of you could
DAC> even read a stack of cards

Well, over in Hamburg, the computer read the cards - I never really
figured out all those rectangular holes, and the computer was faster
anyway. ;-)

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Re: Apply filter now? (REPOST)

2002-07-17 Thread Blarp

Hi Marck,

TF>> Found it. So you will still have to assign one hotkey for each
TF>> filter.

MDP> Yes.

It also needs to handle it like OE. Select the filter, choose Apply Now
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Re: OT: Sharing after marriage

2002-07-17 Thread Jonathan Angliss

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On Wednesday, July 17, 2002, Lynn Turriff wrote...

> No doubt .. but even that is better than some of the
> formatting that comes from these things.

> I don't really care what they use, but I always appreciate
> it if they'll turn it all off and just send text when
> sending to me :-)

I agree totally... but that is my opinion.  I personally cannot stand
emails flying into my inbox with size 50 purple font, on yellow
backgrounds  (which is always the case from a friend).  That is
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Re[2]: OT: Sharing after marriage

2002-07-17 Thread Lynn Turriff



Tuesday, July 16, 2002, 8:47:11 AM, you wrote:

[snip]

JA> Although they found the plain text switch... try looking at the
JA> headers.  If I remember correctly, (at least the version I saw
JA> anyway), put in a whole load of X- headers for other incredimail
JA> users, which can create a substantial over head... especially as one
JA> plain text mail that was sent to a list had nearly 22 X-* headers for
JA> just a plain text message.

JA> - --
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[snip]

No doubt .. but even that is better than some of the
formatting that comes from these things.

I don't really care what they use, but I always appreciate
it if they'll turn it all off and just send text when
sending to me :-)

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Re: OT: Sharing after marriage

2002-07-17 Thread Dwight A Corrin

On Wednesday, July 17, 2002, 1:39:20 AM, Thomas F wrote:

> Actually we didn't have brown outs or other such problems, because
> that was a prestigious (for the government) research facility

I was computing in New York, and on hot summer days the brown outs
were for the whole metro area. By noon you were lucky of you could
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Re[3]: [OT] I hate HTML mail

2002-07-17 Thread Lynn Turriff



Tuesday, July 16, 2002, 4:35:03 PM, you wrote:
[snip]

BK> NOOO! Why do you use Opera?  It isn't properly CSS or HTML compliant!
BK> Please please please use a browser based on the Gecko engine (like
BK> Mozilla or K-Meleon) to give web site designers (such as me) an actual
BK> standard that we can work to without fear of browsers such as this!
BK> Mozilla 1.0 supports tabs just like Opera, comes without any adverts and
BK> supports resumeable downloads.

I can't speak for Richard, but I use Opera (have for
several years), and find very few sites that don't display
properly - though there are a few with java functions I
have to go to IE for.

Apart from the tabs (I often have a dozen pages open on
loading), I like the way it's hotlists work, and it's options for
form filling. It's stability is much less critical now
than it was when I started using it, but that was an
issue.

I did dl Mozilla, but haven't checked it out yet .. One
day I'll do that, and hopefully will never have to resort
to the Infernal Exploder again.

BK> But hey, at least we're not talking Netscape 4.7.  Don't even get me
BK> started on that! ;)

No chance :-)

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