Re: The bat for linux?
Hi Brook, On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, at 08:24:44 [GMT -0700] (8:24 AM pst) you wrote: Will it ever happen? I've been using linux for many years and the only windows box I have collects more and more dust. I have paid for the bat but it bairly gets any use anymore. Have you ever messed with vmware? (www.vmware.com) You *do* have to pay for it which goes against the whole open source philosophy, but it does a hell of a job running windows/win apps on your linux desktop. Plus it's just cool. :] -- Matt Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: asian fonts the 100ths :)
Hello Clemens, On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:30:53 +0200 GMT (12/08/02, 04:30 +0700 GMT), Clemens 'Gullevek' Schwaighofer wrote: CGS well, I somehow can't belive that, cause it works in other CGS applications too. I think, I just have to live without Asian Font CGS support in TheBat, as it is way to stupid to do it :( shrug I can display messages in TB in Chinese and in Thai over here. TB is not too stupid for that. But since you have given up, I can't help you any more. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Don't forget your wife's name . . . that will mess up the love. (Roger, 8) Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting Office
Hello Miguel, On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 00:23:18 +0200 GMT (12/08/02, 05:23 +0700 GMT), Miguel A. Urech wrote: I don't see a reason, apart from that all is displayed that you need to access. MAU Come on Thomas, you have to be a bit more open minded. He's not asking MAU to make it bigger, just re-sizeable. You could keep it as small as you MAU wanted for yourself. That's what I said: 1.) I *don't* see a reason why it is *not* re-sizeable. Rephrasing this without using a double negative makes it: It should be re-sizeable. I have seen, also from St.Music's replies, that this double-negative was understood to say the opposite from what I meant. I will avoid double-negatives in the future. 2.) For myself, I don't see a need to resize the window. A useless piece of information, also badly phrased, which was understood as me saying that nobody has a need to resize the window. That's not what I said. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Wenn ich nur darf, wenn ich soll, aber nie kann, wenn ich will, dann mag ich auch nicht, wenn ich muss. Wenn ich aber darf, wenn ich will, dann mag ich auch, wenn ich soll und dann kann ich auch, wenn ich muss. Denn schliesslich: Die, die koennen sollen, muessen wollen duerfen. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Default PGP Actions
Hello tbudl, This may be a stupid question, but where is the Option to automatically sign outgoing messages in PGP? I cannot find it anywhere! -- Best regards, Michael It's not called gossip anymore. It's transmission of near-factual information. http://.thompsonmike.co.uk/ 'To see a world in a grain of sand And heaven in a wild flower To hold infinity in the palm of your hand And eternity in an hour' Using Email Version 1.61 Running On Windows XP 2600 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Default PGP Actions
Hello Michael Thompson, On Monday, August 12 2002 at 12:42 AM PDT, you wrote: This may be a stupid question, but where is the Option to automatically sign outgoing messages in PGP? I cannot find it anywhere! PGP's Options/Email tab... Sign new messages by default. Or, in TB go to Account Properties/Options/Message Editor Settings... check [x] Enable OpenPGP and check [x] Sign When Completed. -- Nick Andriash Creston, B.C. Canada Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Synchronize Bat with 2 computers.
Hello Bob, On Sunday, August 11, 2002 at 9:57 AM, legend has it that Bob [B] recited the incantation: B Is there a way to Synchronize Bat between to Computers. |- Tools |- Synchronize... -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting Office
Sunday, August 11, 2002, St - Musaic.Net wrote: Do you have to scroll up/down/left/right? My display setting is 1280*1024 - which makes the dialog box look _small_ and crammed, and underdeveloped. Compare it to be having a Closet-sized Living Room... And since Ritlabs would be able to tweak a few Properties in their code, it really seems as if the Sorting Office dialog box is unecessarily small. Until Ritlabs finds a way to tweak the code, maybe you can live happily with a window resizer proggie. A quick Google-session came up with Pickup Studio (http://www.545studios.com/?p=appsid=4) and ResizeEnable (http://www.digitallis.co.uk/pc/ResizeEnable/index.html). -- Urban Ek, happily swinging to A Camp - The Bluest Eyes in Texas Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
color groups
Dear readers from 'TB!udl List', While installing TB! on a Notebook I found that my 'Color Groups' are missing. Where does TB! store the color Groups definition so as I can extract them on the Desktop and bring it over by hand to the seconds system? -- best regards Eddie Powered by The Bat! v1.61 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 PGP (public) is available: www.EddieCastelli.com/pgpkey/ Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: color groups
Hello Eddie,
On Monday, August 12, 2002 at 11:08:56 AM you [EC] wrote (at least in
part):
EC Where does TB! store the color Groups definition so as I can extract
EC them on the Desktop and bring it over by hand to the seconds system?
In a file named 'COLORS.INI'.
If 'C:\Program Files\The Bat!' is your installation path and
'C:\Program Files\The Bat!\Mail' is your default location of accounts
the file should be in that folder. If you've set up The Bat! to store
your account data elsewhere ('Options' / 'Preferences' / 'System' /
'Mail directory') the file should be located there.
--
Regards
Peter Palmreuther
(The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1)
Opera is when a guy gets stabbed in the back and instead of bleeding,
he sings.
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http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: color groups
Dear Peter, --- Peter Palmreuther / Montag, 12.08.2002, 11:21:14 color groups In a file named 'COLORS.INI'. Thanks works fine again ;-) -- best regards Eddie Powered by The Bat! v1.61 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 PGP (public) is available: www.EddieCastelli.com/pgpkey/ Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Default PGP Actions
Hello Nick, On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, at 00:50:37 [GMT -0700] (which was 08:50 in my TimeZone) you wrote: NA PGP's Options/Email tab... Sign new messages by default. This is already checked NA Or, in TB go NA to Account Properties/Options/Message Editor Settings... check [x] Enable NA OpenPGP and check [x] Sign When Completed. I cant find this option! -- Best regards, Michael http://.thompsonmike.co.uk/ Kids don't get in trouble anymore. They merely hit social speed bumps. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Default PGP Actions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael Thompson [MT] wrote:' MT This may be a stupid question, but where is the Option to MT automatically sign outgoing messages in PGP? I cannot find it MT anywhere! Go into the Account Properties/Options. Down the bottom are the Message Editor Settings. Enable the settings 'Enable OpenPGP' and 'Sign Messages when Complete'. - -- Cheers, | List Moderator Allie C Martin | TB! v1.62/Beta1 | Windows XP Pro ..:.. PGP/GPG Key: http://pub-key.ac-martin.com ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE9V4czV8nrYCsHF+IRAsqEAJ9n0GzrKO7CiVvzXQeyWQy7LdayzgCdGYEF cAvomB/zUsFUFLlQF7EHnRw= =2Vlr -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Default PGP Actions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Michael, @12-Aug-2002, 10:46 +0100Michael Thompson [MT] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Nick Andriash: NA PGP's Options/Email tab... Sign new messages by default. MT This is already checked ... and has no effect on TB anyway g. NA Or, in TB go to Account Properties/Options/Message Editor NA Settings... check [x] Enable OpenPGP and check [x] Sign When NA Completed. MT I cant find this option! Main menu - Account - Properties - Options (on the left) - Message Editor Settings section (on the right). There they are. Also, you can change your templates to include %USEPGP and %SIGNCOMPLETE macros and thus turn PGP signing on / off depending on who / where you are writing to. This is the way I do it myself. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.90-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9V4j5OeQkq5KdzaARAox2AJ9LSzWPQNsYwgqFcFk5NGN7U9lbPACfSip7 tLOIJMWsUf67zgVC6D8ZnFc= =zTX+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting Office
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], St - Musaic.Net [SMN] wrote:' SMN BUT the dialog box you desperately need more space in (although SMN that depends on whether you are a ruletweaker) is not sizeable? SMN ...weird, eh..? I agree that all of these windows should be resize-able. What's even more traumatic is when a window that was resize-able is no longer resize-able. Here, I'm referring to the 'Pick E-Mail Address' window that is invoked from the message editor by hitting Shift-Enter when in any of the address header fields or hitting the *tiny* little button to the extreme right. Now *that* window could do with some resizing since seeing the e-mail addresses as well as the names would be far more useful. The centre bar can be adjusted so you could move it to the right to see the e-mail addresses (what you see really depends on your column adjustment in the main address book). However, if you move it too far to the right, you'll obliterate the added address list fields. The window needs to be resize-able and it could be done in the past. - -- Cheers, | List Moderator Allie C Martin | TB! v1.62/Beta1 | Windows XP Pro ..:.. PGP/GPG Key: http://pub-key.ac-martin.com ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE9V4tYV8nrYCsHF+IRAl3OAKCfO9Op1SCETQH9BLZ3tLTJfp7G5ACg6vgl UEU9cU3WgzeRrhTFlcaNPdw= =QdZd -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Default PGP Actions
Hello Allie, On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, at 05:00:18 [GMT -0500] (which was 11:00 in my TimeZone) you wrote: ACM Go into the Account Properties/Options. Down the bottom are the ACM Message Editor Settings. Enable the settings 'Enable OpenPGP' and ACM 'Sign Messages when Complete'. Found it now, could'nt see that for some reason. To much work I think. :) thank you people! -- Best regards, Michael http://.thompsonmike.co.uk/ You're not shy. You're conversationally selective. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
synchronizing with Outlook
Hello all, Can anyone tell me the best way to synchronize my addresses with my contacts in Outlook. I use palm pilot and since I can not synch my Palm with TheBat I have to use outlook 2000. Please let me know any pointers you may have. Alaeddin Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The bat for linux?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Monday, August 12, 2002 7:00:14 AM RE: The bat for linux? Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greetings Matt, On Monday, August 12, 2002, 2:49:50 AM, you wrote: Matt Have you ever messed with vmware? (www.vmware.com) You *do* have to pay Matt for it which goes against the whole open source philosophy, but it does Matt a hell of a job running windows/win apps on your linux desktop. Plus Matt it's just cool. :] Last I looked at VmWare here it did an adequate job of running Windows apps under it virtual machine however it displays only 16 color and if the application included any DirectX calls or hooks, poof! This may have changed in the newest Linux release of VmWare but .. - -- Regards, DG Raftery Sr. PGP Key http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze2zxyn/pubring.pkr Compatible: Gracefully accepts erroneous data from any source. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 9.0b3 iQA/AwUBPVeWJ4ltdOMeoDcuEQJZeQCgsfQwa4adCxlWGdI/5cHR2PlHtFwAoNvb B5lLB9cViBKFXLuslRlh80hR =34sH -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting Office
Hello Thomas, That's what I said: 1.) I *don't* see a reason why it is *not* re-sizeable. Sorry, I just understood the opposite. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.60c Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: synchronizing with Outlook
Hey Alaeddin, My MUA believes 'Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0)' was used to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Monday, August 12, 2002 at 4:40:17 AM. AM Can anyone tell me the best way to synchronize my addresses with AM my contacts in Outlook. Sync is not easy, but you can grab your Outlook contacts and import to TB. Check the Archives. AM I use palm pilot and since I can not synch my Palm with TheBat I AM have to use outlook 2000. Please let me know any pointers you may AM have. Wait for the completion of the ptbs (Palm - The Bat! Sync) conduit. Then you can skip the Outlook part. g -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! eMail v1.61 Windows 2000 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 2) Why don't you ever see the headline Psychic Wins Lottery? Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: synchronizing with Outlook
hello Tim, Thank you for the information. Do you know when the Palm Conduit comes out? Alaeddin -Original Message- From: Tim Musson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 5:50 PM To: Alaeddin Muntasser Subject: Re: synchronizing with Outlook Hey Alaeddin, My MUA believes 'Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0)' was used to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Monday, August 12, 2002 at 4:40:17 AM. AM Can anyone tell me the best way to synchronize my addresses with AM my contacts in Outlook. Sync is not easy, but you can grab your Outlook contacts and import to TB. Check the Archives. AM I use palm pilot and since I can not synch my Palm with TheBat I AM have to use outlook 2000. Please let me know any pointers you may AM have. Wait for the completion of the ptbs (Palm - The Bat! Sync) conduit. Then you can skip the Outlook part. g -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! eMail v1.61 Windows 2000 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 2) Why don't you ever see the headline Psychic Wins Lottery? Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: synchronizing with Outlook
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Alaeddin, 12-Aug-2002, 15:54 +0400 (12:54 UK time)Alaeddin Muntasser said: Thank you for the information. moderator Please trim your quotes to simply provide context for your replies. This message was a good example of over quoting. Also search the archives for top posting, a habit which is heavily discouraged on this list (and most lists) because it gives rise to over-quoting. Thank you. /moderator - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt build 09 beta 3 iQA/AwUBPVfB0DnkJKuSnc2gEQLgUQCfZziUQz+W50hEFB+Ycl4AKcoYNXAAnA1E ZL0k8vEIP40TEfE0VQ73Im+I =XWxr -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The bat for linux?
On Sunday 11 August 2002 11:49 pm, Matt Thoene wrote: Hi Brook, On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, at 08:24:44 [GMT -0700] (8:24 AM pst) you wrote: Will it ever happen? I've been using linux for many years and the only windows box I have collects more and more dust. I have paid for the bat but it bairly gets any use anymore. Have you ever messed with vmware? (www.vmware.com) You *do* have to pay for it which goes against the whole open source philosophy, but it does a hell of a job running windows/win apps on your linux desktop. Plus it's just cool. :] Before we go any further I've been using linux for at least 4 or 5 years. I know about vmware, wine, and win4lin. I've had the bat working under wine before but it's kind of slow and the interface doesn't update properly. Besides wine freaks me out. I feel like my email will go poof in some freak accident. Vmware is another story. I will probably never use it. It's not in my opinion worth what you pay for it. Win4lin looks ok but I have never got around to trying it. Ok so these solution have strong and weak points each. Now the reason I asked is that out of all the software I have actually purchased for my own use and there is not much really I would like to see the bat run properly on linux. I have only purchased thebat, ontrack system suite, corel office and windows itself. That must say something about the bat. Anyway it would be nice to have it running on linux. Thanks for the replies they do not exactly answer the question I asked. I want to know about a native linux binary called the bat running under linux and weather or not they have even considered such a thing. Thank you all for your replies. I hope I have explained a little better now. -- -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~- Brook Humphrey Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107 http://www.webmedic.net, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Holiness unto the Lord -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Synchronize Bat with 2 computers.
Hello Bob, Is there a way to Synchronize Bat between to Computers. I use Second Copy 2000 (http://www.centered.com/) exactly for that. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.60c Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Sync AB to Palm (was Re: synchronizing with Outlook)
Hey Alaeddin, My MUA believes 'Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0)' was used to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Monday, August 12, 2002 at 7:54:38 AM. AM Do you know when the Palm Conduit comes out? The above is an example of what Marck is talking about g To answer, no, we don't have an exact time, but there is a list about it. To Subscribe, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - it is low traffic at this point. May be able to post a status there in the next couple of weeks... In addition to Marck's comment about triming and top posting... ,- [People on this list are much happier if you use a Cut Mark] | This is a special sequence that starts on a new line and consists of | two dashes (minus signs) and a space followed by another new line. | | NewLinedashdashspaceNewLine | | This cut mark is recognized by many eMail programs and is used as a | cut off point for signatures. That way, when someone replies to one of | your messages, your signature (anything below the cut mark) is | removed. Likewise, when you reply to a message from someone that | includes cut mark, The Bat! will remove anything below the cut mark | from the text you quote. `- [see FAQ @ www.silverstones.com/thebat/samples.html#newmess] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! eMail v1.61 Windows 2000 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 2) Why is it considered necessary to nail down the lid of a coffin? Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Problems with TLS/SSL SMTP posting in the bat
I'm having some problems getting The Bat to speak SMTP over TLS to my server. Relevent details are as follows: The Bat 1.61 Qmail 1.03 on Linux 2.4.18 I've patched qmail with the SMTP-auth/SSL patch from http://students.imsa.edu/~ngroot/qmail-1.03-starttls-smtp-auth.patch (the one linked to from the qmail page) I've got qmail set up to use STARTTLS connections on port 25, not TLS connections on port 465, and I've configured The Bat likewise (tried no auth, normal auth, and MD5 auth) I can get Microsoft Outlook Express and Mozilla mail to post email through this fine (Once I tell them about the self-signed certificate of the server). I've gone into the address book and added an entry for my certificate and imported the relevant certificate file, which has eliminated the error I was getting before. Now, when I try to post a new email, I get an error (in a box and the log) saying Server reports error. The response is: ready for tls tls. Sniffing the connection shows Qmail sending the same sequence of 3 bytes to The Bat, three times, and each time, The Bat seeming to respond with nothing. Can anyone shed any light on this, or how I can get The Bat working with this SMTP server? I've tried asking google and google groups, with no luck :( Thanks Phil -- Phil Stonemanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problems with TLS/SSL SMTP posting in the bat
I'm having some problems getting The Bat to speak SMTP over TLS to my server. Relevent details are as follows: And while investigating other SSL/TLS stuff, it looks as though The Bat is not speaking IMAP securely at all. When I select the IMAP4 protocol and configure The Bat for either STARTTLS or plain TLS, it still says 'making IMAP connection to port 143' in the log, and doesn't seem to do anything secure at all. Can anyone confirm/deny this? thanks -- Phil Stonemanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Sorting Office
Sunday, August 11, 2002, 3:38:36 PM, you wrote: Come on Thomas, you have to be a bit more open minded. He's not asking to make it bigger, just re-sizeable. You could keep it as small as you wanted for yourself. DAC It is not the size which I find lacking, but the lack DAC of ability to search. Yes to both! Lynn -- 1.60q on Win2kPro SP2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The bat for linux?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, August 12, 2002, Brook Humphrey wrote... Thanks for the replies they do not exactly answer the question I asked. I want to know about a native linux binary called the bat running under linux and weather or not they have even considered such a thing. If RitLabs are willing to release the source code to me, I would be more than happy (in fact, ecstatic would be more about the words) to start converting it over to Linux as I do kylix programming (as I said, iirc, TB! was written in Delphi). - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt iQA/AwUBPVfjcCuD6BT4/R9zEQLUuQCeP38tbEmrn7d/dBQ7EvvwhHLvkTEAoOND uTda1Tr+XlY3TOBXWdxnB2Pz =mKwi -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The bat for linux?
Monday, August 12, 2002, Matt Thoene wrote: You *do* have to pay for it which goes against the whole open source philosophy I replied to this on on TBOT under the subject Open Source. -- Urban Ek, happily swinging to Lorna - when we stayed awake all night Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
forward filter does not do its job
Hello all, I tried to make a forwarding filter, but cannot get it right. This is what I did: I had a filter directing mails (a digest) to a particular folder. That worked fine. Then I wanted to redirect the incoming digest to another account so that a sig delimiter problem would be solved. (after much stupidity on my account) I found the forwarding Action, which I checked. I also checked the Option Continue with other filters. I could not find a way to de-activate the very first filter where it says: Source mail (or something to that effect: I am using a non-English version of TB!) move to folder: The redirecting command gets ignored. How do I get my digest to be redirected? Thanks! -- Regards, Ochrid _ The Bat! v1.61 op Windows XP _ Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Sorting Office
Hello Allie, On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, at 05:17:57 [GMT -0500] (which was 11:17 in my TimeZone) you wrote: While we are on the subject of resizing, this is related, but in the Losest terms. (!) Why is it that windows with two or more scroll windows all move when you use a scroll button on the Mouse or keyboard??? THat is very annoying! -- Best regards, Michael http://.thompsonmike.co.uk/ Nothing is more conducive to peace of mind than not having any opinions at all. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: asian fonts the 100ths :)
Hello Thomas, Monday, August 12, 2002, 8:10:27 AM, Thomas F. wrote: CGS well, I somehow can't belive that, cause it works in other CGS applications too. I think, I just have to live without Asian Font CGS support in TheBat, as it is way to stupid to do it :( shrug I can display messages in TB in Chinese and in Thai over here. TB is not too stupid for that. But since you have given up, I can't help you any more. Yeah well ... I tried so much. changeing font size, changeing font ... etc ... but nothing helped for me *sigh* -- Best regards, Clemens written with TheBat! 1.61 on Windows XP, 5 1 Build 2600 on Tuesday, August 13, 2002 at 12:04:51 AM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting Office
Hello Thomas, Monday, August 12, 2002, 8:06:52 AM, Thomas F. wrote: 1.) I *don't* see a reason why it is *not* re-sizeable. Rephrasing this without using a double negative makes it: It should be re-sizeable. I have seen, also from St.Music's replies, that this double-negative was understood to say the opposite from what I meant. I will avoid double-negatives in the future. Be careful with double negative, for me as a viennese it can mean something double bad, and not make it okay ... -- Best regards, Clemens written with TheBat! 1.61 on Windows XP, 5 1 Build 2600 on Tuesday, August 13, 2002 at 12:14:38 AM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: anti-spam suggestions
Hallo alain, On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:15:04 +0200GMT (12-8-02, 23:15 +0200GMT, where I live), you wrote: a Hi, I'm new to the list, Welcome. a so be gentle ;) Take care, anything you'll say *will* be used against you. ;-) a Would it be at all possible to have a Mailwasher type anti-virus a tool in The Bat! ? (www.mailwasher.net) I'm not all that familiar with Mailwasher, but there are several anti-virus plug-ins for TB. What AV-program do you use? a Secondly, are there any plans to implement Cloudmark's SpamNet ? You should ask the developers for that and they're not on this list. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Macro and Solutions Library
Hello Allie, On Sunday, August 11, 2002 at 08:21:39 -0500, you wrote concerning 'The Bat! Macro and Solutions Library': ... I learnt the hard way when I provided the mailto link for my PGP public key. :( Oh that's probably the reason that I receive spam on my mailinglist-only addresses and even tbudlist-only addresses. :( I always wondered why I received spam on this addresses. Until a few months ago I used to sign my messages too with PGP and I also provided my mailto link in the PGP signature. I think I'll remove it right away. -- Best regards, David ** The mind is the standard of the man. ** [TB! 1.61] [Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3] [Running on a Celeron 800@1176 256 Mb RAM] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: forward filter does not do its job
Hallo Ochrid, On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:41:29 +0200GMT (12-8-02, 19:41 +0200GMT, where I live), you wrote: O I tried to make a forwarding filter, but cannot get it right. O I had a filter directing mails (a digest) to a particular O folder. That worked fine. Don't create a new filter, just give the filter an extra action, that works fine. O I also checked the Option Continue with other filters. Then you won't need this, because you're using just one filter on this condition. O I could not find a way to de-activate the very first filter O where it says: Source mail (or something to that effect: I am O using a non-English version of TB!) move to folder: Here's the reason your second filter doesn't work, it's looking for something in the Inbox and you've already moved the message to another folder. BTW When you're looking for the right words that TB uses in the menu, just change the language to English. ;-) (Opties - Taal - Engels) and afterwards change it back. (Options - Language - Dutch) g,dr -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Fw: [SAtalk] Another one for the RATWARE check?
Caught this thread on spamassassin. The Bat will thankfully NOT be labeled as ratware. -- Matt This is a forwarded message From: Steve Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, August 12, 2002, 1:06:50 PM Subject: [SAtalk] Another one for the RATWARE check? ===8==Original message text=== I dug up the home page (http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/) and it's just another client, not a mass-mailer. | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Marc | MERLIN | Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 11:59 AM | To: Larry Rosenman | Cc: Steve Thomas; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Subject: Re: [SAtalk] Another one for the RATWARE check? | | | On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 01:36:41PM -0500, Larry Rosenman wrote: | My boss uses The Bat!, and is ***NOT*** a spammer. | | I suspect we would have issues if we label it Ratware. | | Yeah, you're not alone, I have friends who use it to (whatever it is) | | Marc | -- | A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type | in - A.S.R. | Microsoft is to operating systems security | what McDonalds is to | gourmet cooking | Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger | [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP key | | Just noticed this one today. A quick grep found it 4 times in my spam archive, which is only a few days old. -- X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.53d) - Full Headers - Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from mailcity.com (fes-qin.mail.lycos.com [209.185.123.75]) by chips.sthomas.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g7CI8Oi0020242 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:08:25 -0700 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailcity.com; Mon Aug 12 11:08:01 2002 From: Emilio Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:20:18 +0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message_ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from 61.142.238.123 by Proxy+; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:53:47 + (GMT) X-Forwarding: Original message sent from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.53d) Subject: Lose fat, gain muscle with HGH X-Envelope-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=31.6 required=4.0 tests=CC_MAILCITY,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,FORGED_RCVD_FOUND,AS_SEEN_ON, CLICK_BELOW,EXCUSE_6,OPT_IN,NORMAL_HTTP_TO_IP,WEIRD_PORT, REMOVE_PAGE,REALLY_UNSAFE_JAVASCRIPT,HTML_WITH_BGCOLOR, SLIGHTLY_UNSAFE_JAVASCRIPT,BIG_FONT,CLICK_HERE_LINK, FREQ_SPAM_PHRASE,CTYPE_JUST_HTML,MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_2 version=2.31 X-Spam-Flag: YES -- Steve Thomas Network Administrator APEX Voice Communications, Inc. ===8===End of original message text=== Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: anti-spam suggestions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Alain [A] wrote:' A Hi, I'm new to the list, so be gentle ;) :) A Would it be at all possible to have a Mailwasher type anti-virus A tool in The Bat! ? (www.mailwasher.net) I don't know. I personally wouldn't, especially since there are specialist tools as this one that will do it for you. A Secondly, are there any plans to implement Cloudmark's SpamNet ? A (www.cloudmark.com) Again, I don't know. You'll have to submit this one as a wish to the developers. Both developers would have to collaborate for this to happen. - -- Allie C Martin \ TB! v1.62/Beta1 Windows XP Pro List Moderator/ PGP Key - http://pub-key.ac-martin.com ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE9WDbpV8nrYCsHF+IRApU9AKDmPvPE08CxyTBHYsZ0HOPZ1x/oggCgwW4c QkhIFt880xHudggUxVk0n+4= =qNoS -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
OT - automated telephone answering
Hello Bat Folk. Someone, not too long ago, mentioned a little piece of freeware that answered the telephone. It was UK site who's biz it is to provide sophisticated, customized automated telephone systems. Can't remember which list, can't find the msg, or URL. Had to replace my HD, looking for program again. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.61/W2K_SP3 ICQ 41116329 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: anti-spam suggestions
Hi alain. At 5:15 PM on Monday, August 12, 2002 you [a] wrote the following about [anti-spam suggestions]: a [...] Would it be at all possible to have a a Mailwasher type anti-virus tool in The Bat! ? a [/...] I take it from your msg that you are also new to The Bat! program. Today I rcvd 42 spams [which is about average]. Not one ended up in my inbox; all filtered automatically to trash by TB! You might consider fooling around w the program for a while before considering the additional overhead/expense of another program when the one you've got can already do the job. Just my .02 welcome to the list. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.61/W2K_SP3 ICQ 41116329 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The bat for linux?
yeah, but if you think about it, they could make a linux version since delphi 6 code works cool (or at least thats what Borland says) with kylix 2 =) -Original Message- From: Jonathan Angliss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Brook Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:33:47 -0500 Subject: Re: The bat for linux? -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, August 12, 2002, Brook Humphrey wrote... Thanks for the replies they do not exactly answer the question I asked. I want to know about a native linux binary called the bat running under linux and weather or not they have even considered such a thing. If RitLabs are willing to release the source code to me, I would be more than happy (in fact, ecstatic would be more about the words) to start converting it over to Linux as I do kylix programming (as I said, iirc, TB! was written in Delphi). - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt iQA/AwUBPVfjcCuD6BT4/R9zEQLUuQCeP38tbEmrn7d/dBQ7EvvwhHLvkTEAoOND uTda1Tr+XlY3TOBXWdxnB2Pz =mKwi -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The bat for linux?
Hi KOMPLOT5, On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:44:32 -0300, you wrote: If RitLabs are willing to release the source code to me, I would be more than happy (in fact, ecstatic would be more about the words) to start converting it over to Linux as I do kylix programming (as I said, iirc, TB! was written in Delphi). yeah, but if you think about it, they could make a linux version since delphi 6 code works cool (or at least thats what Borland says) with kylix 2 =) 2 things... 1st... isn't that what I said? I program in Delphi and kylix, so I know. There are a few uses clauses that need to be changed to be compatible, or even made OS specific by compiler directives, but most converts over. You cannot just compile linux programs on delphi though, so you have to have kylix. The second thing is top quoting. Many people on this list dislike it due to an inability to follow conversations logically, like this: a) because he wanted to get to the other side :) q) why did the chicken cross the road? Difficult to follow. it also leads to serious over quoting in most cases. Not only did you include my reply, but you included my PGP signature, and the list footers. There has been a lot of debate over this recently :P -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Sorting Office
Hello Allie, On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, at 16:00:21 [GMT -0500] (which was 22:00 in my TimeZone) you wrote: ACM In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], ACM Michael Thompson [MT] wrote:' MT While we are on the subject of resizing, this is related, but in MT the Losest terms. (!) Why is it that windows with two or more MT scroll windows all move when you use a scroll button on the Mouse MT or keyboard??? THat is very annoying! ACM Try clicking in the window you wish to scroll and the others should ACM stop scrolling. I thought of that, it dos'nt. It is'nt the mouse drivers either. I have used both M$ Intellipoint and Logitech Drivers. (Different MOuse) I have also noticed this behaviour under 2k as well as XP... But I dont think it is a Bat thing, as the code should not allow this to happen. (Both windows are seperate items) so I think this is maybe a OS Code thingie... I dont know about the XP codebase, or the latest version of Delphi, as I stopped using Delphi long ago.. -- Best regards, Michael http://.thompsonmike.co.uk/ I am a computer, dumber than any human and smarter than an administrator. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Sorting Office
Replying to your message of Monday, August 12, 2002, 8:12:21 PM: MT Best regards, MT Michael MT http://.thompsonmike.co.uk/ MT I am a computer, dumber than any human and smarter than an administrator. Michael, is '' something new (your URL)?? ;O) -- Pete www.milneweb.com Monday, August 12, 2002 8:17:03 PM This e-mail is brought to you by: The Bat: Version 1.61 Windows 2000 build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting Office
Hello Miguel, On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:47:45 +0200 GMT (12/08/02, 20:47 +0700 GMT), Miguel A. Urech wrote: MAU Sorry, I just understood the opposite. It seems that everybody did, so it was my fault, really. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Bright as Alaska in December. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
OT: Double Negative (was: Sorting Office)
Hello Clemens, On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:15:25 +0200 GMT (13/08/02, 05:15 +0700 GMT), Clemens 'Gullevek' Schwaighofer wrote: CGS Be careful with double negative, for me as a viennese it can mean CGS something double bad, and not make it okay ... Speaking of double negatives, there is different usage in different languages. While in High German, a double negative means positive, I didn't even know that in Vienna, a double negative is more negative than a single negativ. ;-) But you are making my point, read on. In Spanish, the double negative is used to express the simple negative: el no me dice nada - literally, he doesn't tell me nothing - means, of course, he doesn't tell me anything. Which brings us to English: the first translation from Spanish into English above, while grammatically incorrect, is widely used in certain circles is the US. (Also, he don't tell me nothing is not unheard of, which is linguistically quite an interesting development of the language.) So is the double negative synonymous to a single negative, or rather to a positive? The answer appears to depend on the cultural background, even within the English-speaking community. What I am saying is that the double negative should be avoided in English, as otherwise nobody won't understand nothing! ;-) f'up2:tbot. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. For those of you who have children and don't know it, we have a nursery downstairs. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fw: [SAtalk] Another one for the RATWARE check?
Hello Matt, On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:30:56 -0700 GMT (13/08/02, 05:30 +0700 GMT), Matt Thoene wrote: MT Caught this thread on spamassassin. The Bat will thankfully NOT be MT labeled as ratware. How professional are these people? How much power (in which ever way) do they have? MT Just noticed this one today. A quick grep found it 4 times in my spam MT archive, which is only a few days old. How many messages were in the spam archive? How many messages showed OE or OL as mailer? Why is this guy representative that his finding would have mattered anyway? Because he knows what grep is, he is the guru over there? Luckily, because two people on the same list know people who use TB and are not spammers, TB was not labeled ratware. Wow. I am awed by their scientific approach. Sorry, but if these guys have anything to say in ISPs, the internet is doomed. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Fritz Walter jun.: Der Juergen Klinsmann und ich, wir sind schon ein gutes Trio. Spaetere Korrektur: Ich meinte, ein Quartett. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Copy folders
I wish to copy a pile of folders to another account. Is there some way to really do this? -- Best regards, Adam Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: Double Negative (was: Sorting Office)
Monday, August 12, 2002, 7:16:05 PM, you wrote: TF What I am saying is that the double negative should be avoided in TF English, as otherwise nobody won't understand nothing! ;-) That's about what they told me when I was in school .. but they put it considerably more strongly than that :-) In those days, a double negative was a positive, and therefore invalid, and resulted in negative results gradewise speaking! lol! Lynn -- 1.60q on Win2kPro SP2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fw: [SAtalk] Another one for the RATWARE check?
On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 21:27, Thomas F. wrote: MT Caught this thread on spamassassin. The Bat will thankfully NOT be MT labeled as ratware. How professional are these people? How much power (in which ever way) do they have? If he has anything to do with spamassasin, or any number of its filters, it could have a little bit of an impact depending on the general usage of the program. I was considering implementing it recently, but decided against it, and stuck with my procmail filters. Luckily, because two people on the same list know people who use TB and are not spammers, TB was not labeled ratware. Wow. I am awed by their scientific approach. Indeed, otherwise it'd share the same fate as those shared by a certain ISP that decided to lock out TB! because of miss-information. Sorry, but if these guys have anything to say in ISPs, the internet is doomed. I believe some small-time ISPs have implemented spamassasin, but it is mainly home users IIRC. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re[3]: Sorting Office
On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 21:17, Pete Milne wrote: MT http://.thompsonmike.co.uk/ Michael, is '' something new (your URL)?? ;O) Anything before the domain name can be whatever he wants, providing he provides a valid protocol such as https, http, ftp, gopher, etc etc. But in this case, could just be a typo ;)) -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fw: [SAtalk] Another one for the RATWARE check?
On Monday, August 12, 2002 7:27:17 PM [-0700], Thomas F. wrote: On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:30:56 -0700 GMT (13/08/02, 05:30 +0700 GMT), Matt Thoene wrote: MT Caught this thread on spamassassin. The Bat will thankfully NOT be MT labeled as ratware. How professional are these people? How much power (in which ever way) do they have? Wow, is there a full moon or something? I've posted a few messages to various lists this week and have seen just brutal responses. Unfounded at that. No they're not professionals. But they do use a piece of software that does a hell of a job on stopping spam at the server. I've seen groundswells on that list that get pretty ugly. This could have easily been one of them. MT Just noticed this one today. A quick grep found it 4 times in my spam MT archive, which is only a few days old. Improperly notated...(wasn't me who typed this) How many messages were in the spam archive? How many messages showed OE or OL as mailer? Why is this guy representative that his finding would have mattered anyway? Because he knows what grep is, he is the guru over there? Luckily, because two people on the same list know people who use TB and are not spammers, TB was not labeled ratware. Wow. I am awed by their scientific approach. He's no guru of course. He was referring to a piece of spam he received that had The Bat listed as the Mailer. He didn't recognize it and posted it. Man, why the attack? I was just sending along an informative message from another list. Sheesh. Sorry, but if these guys have anything to say in ISPs, the internet is doomed. They do. Spamassassin is used quite a bit in the smaller to mid-size ISP world...has been for a few years. I don't think it's doomed anything just yet. -- Matt Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: anti-spam suggestions
Hi Roelof, RO I'm not all that familiar with Mailwasher, but there are several RO anti-virus plug-ins for TB. What AV-program do you use? FWIW, Mailwasher is not an AV program. It's like TB's Mail Dispatcher on steroids. I gave up using it because its bounce feature (which seems to make it attractive) does nothing to reduce spam. -- Tom G. http://blarp.com -- Free tech support The Bat 1.61 - Windows 2000 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fw: [SAtalk] Another one for the RATWARE check?
Hello Matt, On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:41:30 -0700 GMT (13/08/02, 10:41 +0700 GMT), Matt Thoene wrote: MT Wow, is there a full moon or something? I've posted a few messages to MT various lists this week and have seen just brutal responses. My anger was not directed at you, but at people who make decisions based on anecdotal information rather than manifesting their beliefs with facts. MT Unfounded at that. No they're not professionals. Not unfounded, as their laissez-fair approach to reasearch before you act leaves to be desired. It is obvious that they are not professionals. MT But they do use a piece of software that does a hell of a job on MT stopping spam at the server. I've seen groundswells on that list MT that get pretty ugly. This could have easily been one of them. If they even discuss stopping spam on the basis of an email client that was used for 4 spam-mails, it is unprofessional. If their service is used by professionals, it is scary. OK, he reported that he noticed these 4 mails. Nobody asked how many spam mails he had checked, and he himself didn't bother to offer this information. Let's say, 4 out of 4. What does that tell us? That it is worth doing a research on this. No more and no less. Now, the decision to not include TB in their ratware list is based on anecdotal second-hand information: I know someone who uses TB and is not a spammer. Oh yeah, me too, says the third poster. How can this even be considered an argument, much less be the basis for the decision to include or not a mailer in their list? These people scare me. If this is how they reach their decisions, there is no way but to discourage anybody from using their spamassassin. MT Just noticed this one today. A quick grep found it 4 times in my spam MT archive, which is only a few days old. MT Improperly notated...(wasn't me who typed this) I know. None of what I say is directed against you, the messenger.It is directed at the growing lack of professionlism in the internet industry, and they are a good example. MT He's no guru of course. He was referring to a piece of spam he received MT that had The Bat listed as the Mailer. He didn't recognize it and posted MT it. Man, why the attack? I was just sending along an informative message MT from another list. Sheesh. No mistake in posting it. The lack of additional information is what irritates me. And that the people who replied to his message didn't even ask, but instead came up with completely irrelevant anecdotal information. Sorry, but if these guys have anything to say in ISPs, the internet is doomed. MT They do. Spamassassin is used quite a bit in the smaller to mid-size ISP MT world...has been for a few years. :- Sca-ry. MT I don't think it's doomed anything just yet. What if that second poster's third-degree cousin (on his mother's side) wasn't using TB? Or worse still, what if he were indeed a spammer, thus proving that TB is worth filtering out on? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Hellenolophobie: Angst vor griechischen Fachausdruecken. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: anti-spam suggestions
Hello Blarp, Monday, August 12, 2002, 11:03:31 PM, you wrote: B Hi Roelof, RO I'm not all that familiar with Mailwasher, but there are several RO anti-virus plug-ins for TB. What AV-program do you use? B FWIW, Mailwasher is not an AV program. It's like TB's Mail Dispatcher B on steroids. I gave up using it because its bounce feature (which B seems to make it attractive) does nothing to reduce spam. I noticed this as well, also when you get MailWasher setup just the way you like it so that you are filtering and bouncing everything you want, it takes forever to get your email. -- Regards, ~John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: anti-spam suggestions
Monday, August 12, 2002, 9:03:31 PM, you wrote: B FWIW, Mailwasher is not an AV program. It's like TB's B Mail Dispatcher on steroids. I gave up using it because B its bounce feature (which seems to make it attractive) B does nothing to reduce spam. I tried it for a while, too, but have found that TB filtering is more effective .. and faster.. IMHO .. Lynn -- 1.60q on Win2kPro SP2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
what is pgp? and how easy is it to use?
Hey Group, Could someone tell me what the benefits are of using PGP and what it is and how easy is it to setup? I really don't have a clue what its all about. thanks! -- Regards, ~John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: anti-spam suggestions
Hello Lynn Thank you for your email dated Tuesday, August 13, 2002, 5:28:28 AM, in which you wrote: LT I tried it for a while, too, but have found that TB LT filtering is more effective As an aside, a female friend was receiving unwanted emails from an admirer - not typical spam. I suggested she 'bounce' them using Mailwasher and they stopped. -- Regards William Flying with The Bat! 1.61 www.ritlabs.com/the_bat Windows 2000 Pro 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: what is pgp? and how easy is it to use?
Hello ~John! On Tuesday, August 13, 2002 at 6:24:31 AM you wrote: Could someone tell me what the benefits are of using PGP and what it is and how easy is it to setup? I really don't have a clue what its all about. thanks! 1. PGP is a programme for signing and encrypting e-mail and files. 2. It ensures the privacy of your data. 3. To make more of these short statements it would be a good idea to look for Tom McCune's web site (Google). -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.61 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Wenn Ärger im Menschen ist, so macht er selten das Klügste, sondern gewöhnlich das Dümmste. (Jeremias Gotthelf) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Threads not opening completely
Hello TBUDL Members! As some of you may remember, I found a small cosmetic bug some months ago about threads not opening completely. The picture for it is still on http://software.write4u.de/The_Bat_/the_bat_.html. It seems I've found a corollary: In the last few days I had the problem numerous times. When I then tried to delete a read message - the one that didn't open the thread correctly - it didn't go. The focus went to the next message and I had to go back to delete the message in question a second time. I am of the impression that happened especially - if not solely - with threads going from one mailing-list to another (TBUDL to TBOT). If we can verify this RITLabs may have a handle to squash the bug. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.61 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything. (Mark Twain) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
