Re: Flagging

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Miguel,

On Friday, November 15, 2002 at 1:29:26 AM you wrote (at least in
part):

>> this might be useful, but what would be more useful is if there was
>> some indication in the account tree that a folder contains flagged
>> messages.

> Or if the folder contains Parked messages, or messages with
> attachments, or high priority messages, or messages belonging to
> colour group N, or 

I've got an idea: let's make it optional with users choice of what
being shown in folder indicator ... *SCNR*  :-)))
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Re: Downloading from multiple accounts

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Thursday, November 14, 2002, 8:32:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 1. as mail is downloaded from each account (the one dial up + 3
> cable accounts) I would like it to filter into the existing folders
> and not into new folders inside each separate account.

that really isn't a problem, although it's easiest to have a separate
inbox for each account for anything which isn't picked up by any of
the filters. You can filter to folders in one of the accounts, or, as
I do, use common folders, outside the account structure.

> 2. I would like to download mail from all accounts at once and not have to
> go into each account and download the mail separately.(Eventually, the
> dial-up account will probably be dropped.)

That really isn't a problem either. You have to have each account
check it's own mail, but it all happens at once, you'l just see
multiple accounts if you check the connection centre.

I'm using a portable and at home connect to cable, at the office DLS.
Sending is a problem, but I collect accounts from cable, accounts from
DSL, batpost.com, gmx, earthlink and another email provider. It works
fine, and seamlessly with mail all going into common folders.





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Re: Downloading from multiple accounts

[Allie C Martin]

In ,
Sacksa [S] wrote:'

S> 1. as mail is downloaded from each account (the one dial up + 3
S> cable accounts) I would like it to filter into the existing
S> folders and not into new folders inside each separate account.

TB! doesn't directly support downloading mail from multiple POP
servers using a single account. This is supposed to be an available
feature for v 2. Unfortunately, we aren't sure when it will be
released. In the meantime, in order to download mail to a single set
of folders, you can do one of two things:

a) Take advantage of TB!'s ability to filter mail across accounts.
Do this by copying all the filters from the main account to that of
the other accounts. You can do this easily by first closing TB! and
then, copying the 'account.srx' file for the main account to that of
the other accounts. When you restart TB! all filters for the main
account will be in the other 2 accounts.

Your account folders are found in your working directory which is by
default, the 'Mail' directory which is in the TB! installation
directory.

b) Use a 3rd party application, the simplest being X-Ray. This
little application, specifically designed for TB! users, acts as an
intermediary relay server between TB! and remote POP and SMTP
servers. You can setup X-Ray to download mail from the remote POP
servers while TB! gets the downloaded mail from X-Ray. You can have
X-Ray download from each ISP on a turn by turn basis each time you
poll for mail. Of course, using this method, you'll not be able to
check all accounts simultaneously.

If you wish to download mail from multiple remote servers directly
to a single TB! account, then you'll need to run a full POP3 server.
There are free ones available like Mercury/32 and Hamster. These
mailservers leave small footprints and use little system resources.

S> 2. I would like to download mail from all accounts at once and
S> not have to go into each account and download the mail
S> separately. (Eventually, the dial-up account will probably be
S> dropped.)

To download mail from all accounts at once, use the 'Tools/Check
Mail for All' menu command or hit Alt-F2.

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Downloading from multiple accounts

[sacksa]

Hi, everyone.  Is it possible to set up The Bat to download from multiple
accounts into existing folders as I transition from a local dial-up ISP to
a cable connection?

Specifically, I filter e-mail into approximately 20 different folders,
based on content and sender.  I also have hundreds of rules for filtering
trash, since each spam that comes from a new sender, has a filter set up
for it.   The cable company will allow me to have up to 6 mailboxes.  I
have set up 3.  I would like to be able to do two things:

1. as mail is downloaded from each account (the one dial up + 3 cable
accounts) I would like it to filter into the existing folders and not into
new folders inside each separate account.

2. I would like to download mail from all accounts at once and not have to
go into each account and download the mail separately.(Eventually, the
dial-up account will probably be dropped.)

Is this possible?  If so, how do I set it up?

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Re: Flagging

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Dwight,

> this might be useful, but what would be more useful is if there was
> some indication in the account tree that a folder contains flagged
> messages.

Or if the folder contains Parked messages, or messages with
attachments, or high priority messages, or messages belonging to
colour group N, or 

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Re: Flagging

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Thursday, November 14, 2002, 9:49:15 AM, Simon wrote:

>  Would  anyone  else  find  it  useful to have the option of
>  choosing from a selection  of different coloured flags, instead of
>  just the red one? What I mean  is perhaps being able to cycle
>  through coloured flags by clicking the flag glyph in the message
>  column. I would find this extremely useful (if it isn't already
>  implemented and I haven't missed the feature that is).

this might be useful, but what would be more useful is if there was
some indication in the account tree that a folder contains flagged
messages.

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Re[3]: Laptop mirror

[Homesick Mac]

Hello Joseph,

Thursday, November 14, 2002, 5:09:29 PM, you wrote:

JN> Homesick,

JN>On Tuesday, November 12, 2002, Homesick Mac wrote in
JN> :

HM>> Just a suggestion, check out the Popcorn:

HM>> http://www.ultrafunk.com/products/popcorn/

JN> Interesting program.  Does anyone know whether it screws anything up
JN> on POP3 servers, since they are designed to keep track of downloaded
JN> messages and not designed to have messages read on the server itself?
JN> It sounds like Popcorn essentially turns a POP3 email server into an
JN> IMAP server.  Any downside to that?

  Beats me :-(  , but I've never had problems of any kind.


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Re: TWO BUGS? (the second one)

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Anne!

On Thursday, November 14, 2002 at 9:54:27 PM you wrote:

> OK so what was described to us as flat screens when we bought them are
> actually LCD and they don't have it - is that better? ;-)

It's just that CRTs can also be flat screens - very long tube, very
expensive ...

As I see, you've just been up whereas I will - hopefully - go to bed
very soon. so, have a nice day!




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explain spamfilter, please

[Ochrid]

 On  04 Apr 2002 Marcus Ohlström  posted in this group a 'ready
made spam filter'.

I admit, it is a bit late, but could someone please explain some
details to me.

Marcus gave the follow filter (one of three):

[begin part filter]
 BeginFilter Name: Spam
 Active: 1 Source: \\marcus\Inbox
 Target: \\marcus\Inbox\Spam
 CopyFolder: none
MainSet:
50teen|girls|celebrity|nude|naked|adult|porn|xxx|gangbang|[at least
18]|horny|sluts|britney|spears|viagra|pharmac|medication|xenical|pills|prescription|snoring|money|$$|credit|mortage|mortgage|debt|investment|business|marketing|[special
offer]|discount|insurance|lottery|[unsolicited
email]|spam|congratulations|adventure|hollywood|cannes|[green
card] Actions: faMarkRead,faoAdvAddressOut

[end part filter]

while I can workout what things like Source, Target and Actions
stand for, I do not know where everything after Mainset: 50 bla
bla bla can be edited.

I have successfully implemented the filter, editing the string of
'cue words' in Notepad and pasting them back in, but that seems
an unnecesary complicated  way of doing things.

My question:
Can I edit the 'dirty' words that evoke the filter within the TB!
filter editor?
And if so, how?

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Re[2]: TWO BUGS? (the second one)

[Anne]

Thursday, November 14, 2002, 8:48:28 PM, Dierk wrote in message
mid:349081805.20021114214828@;gmx.net

DH> Nitpicking mood today? Well, I can, too:

Not at all Dierk - just saying that ours don't have a degauss function
:-)


DH> "Flat screens" do also have it, only LCD screens and Plasmas don't
DH> have. With all they are doing to colours they won't have much use for
DH> them anyway ... ;-)

OK so what was described to us as flat screens when we bought them are
actually LCD and they don't have it - is that better? ;-)

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Re: TWO BUGS? (the second one)

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Anne!

On Thursday, November 14, 2002 at 9:16:47 PM you wrote:

> AFAIK only CRT monitors have this - flat screens don't need it of
> course.

Nitpicking mood today? Well, I can, too:

"Flat screens" do also have it, only LCD screens and Plasmas don't
have. With all they are doing to colours they won't have much use for
them anyway ... ;-)




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Re[2]: TWO BUGS? (the second one)

[Mark Wieder]

Thomas-

Thursday, November 14, 2002, 8:39:23 AM, you wrote:

I searched on the knowledgebase on Microsoft's web site and, believe
it or not, they don't even admit there's a problem!!! I did, however,
come up with Compaq's official statement regarding another problem
that's been annoying computer users for years...

http://web14.compaq.com/falco/detail.asp?FAQnum=FAQ2859

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Re[2]: TWO BUGS? (the second one)

[Anne]

Thursday, November 14, 2002, 11:34:20 AM, Gerard wrote in message
mid:992941990.20021114123420@;myrealbox.com

G> Just like you would get when you hold a magnet against the tube ;-)


Or when my son stuck his speakers up by the side of the sreen then
complained that it'd gone all funny!

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Re[2]: TWO BUGS? (the second one)

[Anne]

Thursday, November 14, 2002, 9:30:04 AM, Dierk wrote in message
mid:988377856.20021114103004@;gmx.net

DH> AFAIK, every TV set and monitor nowadays do have a *Degaussing*
DH> function,


AFAIK only CRT monitors have this - flat screens don't need it of
course.

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Re: Disappearing Registration & Accounts on AVG update

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'Lo Doug,

On  Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:26:48 + your time, you authored this:

DW> Hello,

DW> Got home this afternoon to see that AVG had updated and was asking me
DW> to close TheBat! (I use its plugin).

That  is  odd!  I  have  AVG  set to update itself daily at 6pm, and it also
prompts   me  to  close  thebat.exe  before  updating.  However,  I  haven't
experienced  the  problems you describe when restarting TB! Can't think what
could cause that behaviour either. Bit worrying though!

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Re: Laptop mirror

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Hi all

> If I wrote such a software, I would use the RETR command, which
> retrieves the mails (just like an email client does) ...

Better than RETR use TOP, because you can retrieve only headers (top
msg# 0) or n first lines (top msg# n) or the entire message (top msg#
9 or using retr here).

Also, I've found out that using TOP the POP server does not mark the
message as read (although I haven't found many servers or clients who
honors this) because you are not asking for RETRieval but for watching
the first TOP lines... And you don't have to download a 1.5 Mb message
to find out the message is spam... TOP is also the command used by
Mail Dispatcher. My program uses TOP n to retrieve headers & first
lines, and a button let you download more lines or the entire message
if required.

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Re: View Archive Header?

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Hi Jim,

@14-Nov-2002, 09:33 -0800 (17:33 UK time) Jim D [JD] in
mid:1794035125.20021114093348@;CastleGK.com said:

JD>   I see that my TB has a "View Archive" item on the Mailing List
JD>   menu under Special, but it's grayed out. Is this because that
JD>   header is missing from the list posts?

JD>   If so, could I request to have it added in?

Yes, you can request it. No, we can't do it. The list server we use
only adds the headers you see. Sorry 'bout that!

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Re: Laptop mirror

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Joseph,

on Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:09:29 -0600GMT (14.11.02, 17:09 +0100GMT here),
you wrote in mid:1806208260.20021114100929@;qwest.net :

HM>> http://www.ultrafunk.com/products/popcorn/

JN> Interesting program.  Does anyone know whether it screws anything up
JN> on POP3 servers, since they are designed to keep track of downloaded
JN> messages and not designed to have messages read on the server itself?

You cannot read anything on a server itself. You _must_ download it, in
some form or another, be it in a tmp file or in RAM, or wherever. It must
be existing on your computer for you to view it. :-)

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Disappearing Registration & Accounts on AVG update

[Doug Weller]

Hello,

Got home this afternoon to see that AVG had updated and was asking me
to close TheBat! (I use its plugin).

I did so, and then tried to reopen TB!.  What opened was an evaluation
version of 1.61 with no accounts. Trying to restore my backup gave an
error message from the .exe file.

I uninstalled the plugin and rebooted and all is well, but what in the
world happened there?

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Re: View Archive Header?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Jim,

On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:41:48 -0800 GMT (15/11/02, 00:41 +0700 GMT),
Jim D wrote:

> If I am on other mailing lists that don't add these kinds of headers
> into the message, is there a way for me to add them from my post?

Not from within TB. You would need a second software to do that.

> I am sure it is not as simple as just writing:

> List-Unsubscribe: blah blah

No, this would be in the body.

> Or can these headers only be added by the list server?

That's the normal way.

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Re: Flagging

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Simon,

On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:36:20 + GMT (14/11/02, 23:36 +0700 GMT),
Simon wrote:

JN>> You can reserve the flag for a simple binary symbol...

> That's basically how I use it now...

That's because it is a binary; just a bit in the index file.

> I think that extending the scope of the flagging feature beyond its
> current simplicity would create further possibilities for message
> sorting and identification. Even a simple 3 colour flag cycle would
> be a significant enhancement as you would have 4 states instead of
> 2.

Yes, but it would require to change the structure.

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Re: Laptop mirror

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Joseph,

On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:09:29 -0600 GMT (14/11/02, 23:09 +0700 GMT),
Joseph N. wrote:

> Interesting program.  Does anyone know whether it screws anything up
> on POP3 servers, since they are designed to keep track of downloaded
> messages and not designed to have messages read on the server itself?

I don't know how popcorn works, but it would be easy to do this within
the POP3 protocol. If I wrote such a software, I would use the RETR
command, which retrieves the mails (just like an email client does)
but either download them into RAM or (more likely) into a tmp
directory. After you've read the mails, they would be deleted from the
tmp directory. No harm done.

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Re: View Archive Header?

[Jim D]

>   I see that my TB has a "View Archive" item on the Mailing List menu
>   under Special, but it's grayed out. Is this because that header is
>   missing from the list posts?

And a related question:

If I am on other mailing lists that don't add these kinds of headers
into the message, is there a way for me to add them from my post? I am
sure it is not as simple as just writing:

List-Unsubscribe: blah blah
List-Help: blah blah
List-Archive: blah blah

Or can these headers only be added by the list server?


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View Archive Header?

[Jim D]

Hello tbudl,

  I see that my TB has a "View Archive" item on the Mailing List menu
  under Special, but it's grayed out. Is this because that header is
  missing from the list posts?

  If so, could I request to have it added in?


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Re: TWO BUGS? (the second one)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Barry2,

On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 03:53:56 + GMT (14/11/02, 10:53 +0700 GMT),
Barry2 wrote:

> This *has* to be a joke post  or is it 

Well, take a guess.

> Maybe Fernando should try turning the monitor on one side and shaking
> the errant frame loose, but not too hard or all the letters from the
> text will end up in a heap on the bottom

Yes, I forgot to mention that. I probably forgot because TB's free
caret editor is immune to it, and he didn't mention the problem
occurring in Word. It is a well-publisised problem, but the makers of
most word processing software regard is as a non-issue, simply because
they say people won't turn and shake their monitors. Obviously, they
have never manned a hotline.

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Re: TB! & newsgroups

[Luc]

 Good evening Marck,
  
It was foretold that on 14-11-2002 @ 01:03:04 GMT+ (which was
2:03:04 where I live) Marck D Pearlstone would mumble:
  

MDP> Erm ... yes you can...
MDP> Look in the archives for:
  
Tnx Marck. I'll give it a try. I'm placed in a situation that i have to
access newsgroup and do some posts there. And i _do not_ want to go to
OE for this lol!
 
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Re: Flagging

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'Lo Joseph,

On  Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:00:38 -0600 your time, you authored this:

JN> You can reserve the flag for a simple binary symbol...

That's basically how I use it now...well not much choice but to really :)

JN> while  also labelling individual messages with a color code. On the main
JN> menu, see Message/Color Group.

[...8<...]

JN> ...use color grouping as a dimensional sort that cuts across your folder
JN> distribution system.

Again,  this  is how I am using the colour grouping feature now. It's well
used as well.

Why  I  mention  the  flagging is that I still instinctively look to the red
flag  and  consider  it as a means of extended recognition, even though I am
aware  that its use is limited by its simplicity. I think that extending the
scope  of  the  flagging  feature beyond its current simplicity would create
further  possibilities for message sorting and identification. Even a simple
3  colour  flag cycle would be a significant enhancement as you would have 4
states instead of 2.


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To quote or not quote blank lines

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello all,

No, I am not going to continue with the recent discussion about what
is better or worse as it is just a matter of opinion. That is why I
think it should be optional.

The reason to write now about this is to point out an inconsistency
(not the first one either) within TB. If you use the %QUOTES macro,
blank lines will NOT be quoted. However, if you Copy several
paragraphs and do a "Paste as Quotation", blank lines ARE quoted. And
I call this i-n-c-o-n-s-i-s-t-e-n-c-y  :-)

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Re: Export emails

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo syv,

On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:42:25 -0800GMT (14-11-02, 16:42 +0100GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

s> I have a folder with over 10,000 emails. I have finally put
s> into the filter:
s> Action | Export to file.
s> But that's only for the new messages.

Re-filter the folder.

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Re[2]: Laptop mirror

[Joseph N.]

Homesick,

   On Tuesday, November 12, 2002, Homesick Mac wrote in
:

HM> Just a suggestion, check out the Popcorn:

HM> http://www.ultrafunk.com/products/popcorn/

Interesting program.  Does anyone know whether it screws anything up
on POP3 servers, since they are designed to keep track of downloaded
messages and not designed to have messages read on the server itself?
It sounds like Popcorn essentially turns a POP3 email server into an
IMAP server.  Any downside to that?

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Re: Flagging

[Joseph N.]

Simon,

   On Thursday, November 14, 2002, Simon wrote in
:

> Would anyone else find it useful to have the option of choosing from
> a selection of different coloured flags, instead of just the red
> one?

You can reserve the flag for a simple binary symbol (which I think is
useful in some circumstances) while also labelling individual messages
with a color code. On the main menu, see Message/Color Group. You can
also set a hot-key for each grouping you establish, so you can read
the message, click your hot-key, and it's coded. If desired, you can
also filter on color grouping, or, as I do, use color grouping as a
dimensional sort that cuts across your folder distribution system.

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Re: Export emails

[Joseph N.]

syv,

   On Thursday, November 14, 2002, syv wrote in
:

s> Is it possible to export everything to that ascii file?

Yes. Set a filter for read messages, with the dedicated folder as the
source folder and "@" as the text string (without the quote marks),
set presence in kludges to yes. Set the destination file and file type
under the Actions tab, ("export message to file"), and be sure to
check "append." Make the filter manual. Close out, return to the
folder, right-click, "Re-filter messages," check the "Manual"
checkbox, click OK, and you should be done.

Check the exported folder to be sure it has all your messages before
deleting them from the message base in TB! and compressing the folder.

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Flagging

[Simon]

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'Lo list,

 Would  anyone  else  find  it  useful to have the option of choosing from a
 selection  of different coloured flags, instead of just the red one? What I
 mean  is perhaps being able to cycle through coloured flags by clicking the
 flag glyph in the message column. I would find this extremely useful (if it
 isn't already implemented and I haven't missed the feature that is).

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Export emails

[syv]

Hi tbudl,

I have a folder with over 10,000 emails. I have finally put
into the filter:

Action | Export to file.

But that's only for the new messages.

Is it possible to export everything to that ascii file?
Message export is: Message files or Unix mail boxes.

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Re[2]: Archiving

[Joseph N.]

ETM,

   On Thursday, November 14, 2002, ETM wrote in
:

E> I was trying to avoid taking on another program purchase.

Mailbag Assistant is better for most operations, but it's not
necessary for all operations. It depends on your needs. If you just
want to keep your messages, but do not have much of a need for
reviewing or sorting them, then just export the messages to a UNIX
file and append them. You can set up a filter from TB!, which will
either run automatically or manually. If you need to refer to the
messages again, you would probably have to create a temporary folder
in TB!, then import the file. It's a slight pain, but not much. (If
you have to do that step, just be sure to export whatever additional
messages you send after you import and process the previously exported
messages.)  On the other hand, if you anticipate having to re-read the
messages or reply to them or extract information from them with any
type of regularity, or if disk space is an issue, then Mailbag
Assistant may be worth it.  Try the trial.

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Re: Archiving

[ETM]

Hello Joseph

On Thursday, November 14, 2002, you wrote

> There are at least two ways. One is the method which Melissa
> suggested. I second her suggestion.

> As for your JPEGs, you might consider keeping attachments within the
> message right from the start. In my view, it facilitates housekeeping,
> keeps the attachments in the most logical place to find them, and
> keeps an accurate record of the email. Some say it also improves
> security, but I think there are better ways to address that issue. In
> any event, if you keep the attachments within the message envelopes,
> they archive right along with the messages.

I was trying to avoid taking on another program purchase.

I do maintain attachments with emails, agree with you about that,
never saw any value in separating them.

I'll give yours and Melissa's recommendations some thought.  I
was just burned on a backup program purchase, not too quick right
now to take on another box program, may have to individually save
for awhile (retirement is nice, but  ).

Thanks to both of you for responding.

Elaine



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Re: v2?

[Paul Cartwright]

On Thursday, November 14, 2002, 9:49 AM, you wrote:


DH> There sure are features missing in 1.6x, although I have yet to find
DH> one I don't have to be reminded I could perhaps need. As for the one
DH> you mention, well, yes. Although it will only be used once for any new
DH> user coming from those apps.

but the problem is, unless they can convert their data, they WON'T TRY
TB. My wife wouldn't use it until I was able to get all of her old
folders converted, and I have other friends that won't try it because
they couldn't get their old data converted. I would think they would try
real hard to help people convert their data.



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Re: v2?

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Paul!

On Thursday, November 14, 2002 at 3:10:15 PM you wrote:

>  well, help me out here, it's been so long since it was talked about,
> refresh my memory. I thought the developers were going to slow down the
> updates on V1(.61) to concentrate on V2, yet, looking at the beta dates,
> they have been almost coming out with an update every month-Oct 21 was
> b7.

They've actually slowed down more than a bit; and the current
so-called "betas" are quick fixes of minor troubles. In some cases
they are even testing grounds for the new code.

>  ohh, you shouldn't have asked that one! I wish they would make the
> conversion program WORK for Eudora and OL2K, I have friends that MIGHT
> switch but ONLY when they can easily convert their existing data.

There sure are features missing in 1.6x, although I have yet to find
one I don't have to be reminded I could perhaps need. As for the one
you mention, well, yes. Although it will only be used once for any new
user coming from those apps.




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Re: v2?

[Paul Cartwright]

On Thursday, November 14, 2002, 9:29 AM, you wrote:

>> yet, looking at the beta dates, they have been almost coming out with
>> an update every month-Oct 21 was b7.

PP> To fix several, in part serious, issues.
PP> They only told there're no new _features_ introduced, they did not
PP> refuse to bug fix.

well **I** would consider serious that the converter wizard for both
Eudora and OL don't work. That keeps a bunch of people away that can't
transfer existing data and won't convert to using TB. That sounds like
lost users.
and thanks for the update!!


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Re: TB! & newsgroups

[Nick Danger]

Reply to message sent 11/14/2002, @ 06:42:02 (5:42 AM Locally)
~~~

Hello Ron,

> Sorry, I was thinking directly within TB!

Just as an FYI, once you set it up it's completely transparent and all
message reading, writing, sending is done from inside TB!

I find it works tremendously.

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Re: Archiving

[Joseph N.]

Elaine,

   On Thursday, November 14, 2002, ETM wrote in
:

E> Is there a way to multiple-save messages to an outside folder?  I
E> have individually saved .txt messages to a folder away from TB!
E> but haven't figured out a way to perform a multiple save.  I use
E> backup regularly but for some folders I would like to save the
E> entire folder in a format that can be read away from TB!.  And,
E> is there a way to move jpg's with some of those messages, or must
E> I separately save images?

There are at least two ways. One is the method which Melissa
suggested. I second her suggestion. Mailbag Assistant seemed, when I
first looked at it, like a superfluous program, but it's very helpful.
Not only will it archive from TB!, but it will also take messages from
other formats, so that you can retain the same archive files
regardless of the source of the messages. You can also export directly
from TB! into UNIX-type files. TB! messages can be appended to those
files, so you can organize your messages into particular files, and,
if desired, then into particular directories. UNIX-type files can be
imported by many email clients, including TB!. Mailbag Assistant can
store messages in various formats including UNIX (which it calls
"generic"), but its compression only works with its native format; if
needed, those files can be resaved as UNIX, and then become importable
into many mail clients.

As for your JPEGs, you might consider keeping attachments within the
message right from the start. In my view, it facilitates housekeeping,
keeps the attachments in the most logical place to find them, and
keeps an accurate record of the email. Some say it also improves
security, but I think there are better ways to address that issue. In
any event, if you keep the attachments within the message envelopes,
they archive right along with the messages.

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Re: v2?

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hi Paul,

On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:10:15 -0500
Paul Cartwright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> well, help me out here, it's been so long since it was talked about,
> refresh my memory. I thought the developers were going to slow down
> the updates on V1(.61) to concentrate on V2, 

Correct. That's the idea.

> yet, looking at the beta dates, they have been almost coming out with
> an update every month-Oct 21 was b7.

To fix several, in part serious, issues.
They only told there're no new _features_ introduced, they did not
refuse to bug fix.

> V2 is going to be a total rewrite, right?

That's the story going around, correct.

> what is V1 written in, and what will V2 be written in?

Beside the fact it doesn't matter if programming language changes to
call it a 'complete rewrite' (could be completely rewritten in same
environment; rewrite only means to throw away [most] old sources instead
of altering them), it's "Delphi 2/6" vs. "C++" if I'm informed
correctly. Might be I err, of course. But at least doesn't matter;
mistakes can be made in both languages and therefore the only thing that
counts is the result. If v2 is to buugy and unstable it can be written
in whatever you like, it doesn't make it better.
But I don't expect it being too unstable and hope the first _release_
(not first public beta) is somehow rock-solid stable :-)
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Re[2]: v2?

[Robert Golovniov]

Hello Dierk,

Thursday, November 14, 2002, 3:16:38 PM, you wrote:

DH> Are you missing anything in the current version?

Configuring the toolbars (perhaps adding buttons for easier GnuPG
handling); modifying printing options.

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Re: v2?

[Paul Cartwright]

On Thursday, November 14, 2002, 8:16 AM, you wrote:
 well, help me out here, it's been so long since it was talked about,
refresh my memory. I thought the developers were going to slow down the
updates on V1(.61) to concentrate on V2, yet, looking at the beta dates,
they have been almost coming out with an update every month-Oct 21 was
b7.
V2 is going to be a total rewrite, right? what is V1 written in, and
what will V2 be written in?

>> Has  anyone  any idea when TB! v2 will be released? It seems to have
>> been in progress for years!

DH> Actually I am not so sure the developers have more than a faint idea
DH> ...

DH> Are you missing anything in the current version?

 ohh, you shouldn't have asked that one! I wish they would make the
conversion program WORK for Eudora and OL2K, I have friends that MIGHT
switch but ONLY when they can easily convert their existing data.



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Re: v2?

[Roman Katzer]

On Thursday, November 14, 2002, 14:16:38, Dierk Haasis wrote:
> Are you missing anything in the current version?

Seeing which message in a thread has been read and which one hasn't.
When the last message in a thread is inreadm the whole thread appears in
bold print.

Is there a wish list for TB?

Roman


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Re: v2?

[John De Hoog]

Dierk Haasis wrote...

>Are you missing anything in the current version?

Japanese! Unicode! Please!!

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Re: v2?

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello daveiw!

On Thursday, November 14, 2002 at 2:02:56 PM you wrote:

> Has  anyone  any idea when TB! v2 will be released? It seems to have
> been in progress for years!

I am quite sure that someone has. I am also sure no-one here has
*more* than an idea - and then it's not what one would call an
"educated guess".

Actually I am not so sure the developers have more than a faint idea
...

Are you missing anything in the current version?



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v2?

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Re: TWO BUGS? (the second one)

[Gerard]

ON Thursday, November 14, 2002, 10:30:04 AM, you wrote:
DH> This de-magnetising is needed to get clearly separated colours, if the
DH> tube is magnetised it will show psychedelic colours like green faces

Just like you would get when you hold a magnet against the tube ;-)


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Re: TB! & newsgroups

[Ron Secord]

Hi Marck,

@Wednesday, November 13, 2002, 01:03 + (8:03 PM here) Marck D
Pearlstone [MDP] in mid:1811782412.20021114010304@;silverstones.com
said to Ron Secord on TBUDL:

MDP> Okay, you need to use MailTraq 3rd party software to make it
MDP> work, but it can be done.

Sorry, I was thinking directly within TB!

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Re: Effect of changing Options>ActiveAccount

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hi Dave,

On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:04:54 -0800
Dave Crocker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It appears to me that TB will not apply a new template to a draft, if
> the draft has already been modified by the user.

That is correct.
Imagine it all template text and parameters like macros being 'in memory
as is' while message is not modified by user. Therefore they can be
re-evaluated when you change for example 'From' and give the focus back
to body.
The very first character you type in message body "freezes" this
template state and "manifests" the result of last evaluation in the
body. The template itself "is lost", therefore no new evaluation can be
done.

> That is, if I have already started typing, then I believe that TB will
> perform any of the template changes you suggest?

It will. that's what QuickTemplates are for.
They get evaluted when called (+) and put their text out at
cursor position. 
Exceptions: 
- QT contains '%IsSignature'
  In this case the output will be put at the end of the message, paying
  attention to a maybe existing signature delimiter
- QT contains '%Clear'
  In this case the QT will clear the whole existing message body and
  replace it's content with it's own output.

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Re: TWO BUGS? (the second one)

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Barry2!

On Thursday, November 14, 2002 at 4:53:56 AM you wrote:

> Maybe Fernando should try turning the monitor on one side and shaking
> the errant frame loose, but not too hard or all the letters from the
> text will end up in a heap on the bottom < lol >

Haven't followed this thread, but from what I saw in the quotes ...

AFAIK, every TV set and monitor nowadays (TV in Germany at least since
1968) do have a *Degaussing* function, which doesn't de-ionise but
de-magnetise the tube - at start-up (switching it on). It's the loud
"Boing" noise one hears. Shouldn't put magnetically sensitive
appliances like watches near a TV/monitor.

This de-magnetising is needed to get clearly separated colours, if the
tube is magnetised it will show psychedelic colours like green faces
...



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Re: Archiving

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On Wednesday, November 13, 2002, at 10:26:20 PM PST, ETM wrote:

> I use backup regularly but for some folders I would like to save the
> entire folder in a format that can be read away from TB!.

Here's the perfect solution:

Mailbag Assistant:  http://www.fookes.com/mailbag/

I've been using it for a long time now, and it's great!  :-)

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