Re[3]: [lost 500 messages][27/12/2002-13:59 GMT]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 27 Dec 2002, Scott Johnson wrote: S My mail folder now weighs in at 137,352 messages, totalling 9.7GB S of data. Not even a groan from TB! yet! That is as long as I S don't allow a mail folder (*.TBB) to exceed the 2.1GB file size S limitation). Happened once, but I am more careful now. Since I read that NTFS doesn't have that file size limitation, I wonder how big TB! will let you go when running WinXP and NTFS? ;) Maybe I should create a dummy account and do some testing??? Hehehe I'm going to be a crash test dummy in my next life... NTFS does have limits. They are supposed to be fairly large though. Here is a link to more information on Microsoft's website: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/prkc_fil_tdrn.asp I'd wager that you'll probably run into problems long before you reach the file size limit. - -- Best regards, Jonathan Chattin -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+DWd6ryIAwRrDgYwRApi9AKDY7FZRrylwUV99wDsMPd6O5X7P/ACfZwtR wOYtun2sJR/q+PHc4Uwhwys= =13Zh -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Model/view design for text editor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jonathan, JA *g* Unfortunately time ran away from me a bit, but I am currently JA working on a pure notepad like replacement that should do what TB!s JA editor does. I personally enjoy the way the editor works, and have JA spent long enough searching for one that works the same ;) I am also looking for a text editor that works like the TB! I would like the free style caret position with hard returns guaranteed. I am currently using Keynote and it is great but I really like the hard wrap functions and free style caret that TB! provides. Anyone know of a good text editor like that? I hope you guys don't mind the post as it is slightly off topic but since you're talking editor I figured you probably already know of one :) Thank you - -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Keys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPg1otV3LB35+TCg0EQJv5ACfQ7+LzQr+Bs+24sIiCb17mxulSlgAn2u9 qcU/voVFTn0OyNSxeiT7Aqsw =X/1S -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Compose Editor Produces Jumbled Letters
I'm new to TB, and have just downloaded the latest version (1.62) for my Windows 95 system. I like the client so far but my only complaint is with the compose editor. As I type, preceding lines become garbled, almost to the point where they look like characters from a foreign language. The longer the paragraph, the more jumbled the paragraph becomes, and the letters are no longer legible. I've tried toggling the auto-wrap, auto-justify, auto-format features and nothing has corrected the problem. I tried manually justifying the paragraph and it does correct the problem temporarily, but as I correct one paragraph, other paragraphs around it becomes jumbled and unreadable. The only way for me to even read what I've typed is to put it in the Outbox where everything appears normal again. So what's the problem? As a side thought, could it have anything to do with the character set (mine was set by default to Latin-9). Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE:[Model/view design for text editor][28/12/2002-10:43 GMT]
I have tested several external editors, in the past. I believe the only editors which behave similarly as TB's (IMO, the best editor of all email programs) were: The Boxer and, from the same programmer, TKO (Technical Knock Out). I dont know how good they are in their 32bit incarnations but the old MSDOS versiones were extremely nice and similar, in many ways, to TB's editor. TB is a brilliant program much better than anything else I have tested. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Ø©Eªnº - þªT®iª - NØsT®ª] Las Palmas, Canary Islands [28/12/2002, 10:43 GMT] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 [Original message, 28/12/2002, 9:03] Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: VBG Anyone know of a good text editor like that? --- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Compose Editor Produces Jumbled Letters
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Sue [S] wrote:'
S I'm new to TB, and have just downloaded the latest version (1.62) for
S my Windows 95 system. I like the client so far but my only complaint
S is with the compose editor. As I type, preceding lines become garbled,
S almost to the point where they look like characters from a foreign
S language. The longer the paragraph, the more jumbled the paragraph
S becomes, and the letters are no longer legible.
Very strange what's happening. Which font are you using?
Also, a screen capture of what you mean would help. You could send
me one off list and I upload it to a website and post the link so
others can look at it.
S So what's the problem? As a side thought, could it have anything to do
S with the character set (mine was set by default to Latin-9).
I don't see why it should. I just switched to that character set
without problems.
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RE:[Compose Editor Produces Jumbled Letters][28/12/2002-12:13 GMT]
That kind erratic behaviour sounds to me as a virus. Cheers, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Ø©Eªnº - þªT®iª - NØsT®ª] Las Palmas, Canary Islands [28/12/2002, 12:13 GMT] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 [Original message, 28/12/2002, 11:55] Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AM In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], AM Sue [S] wrote:' S I'm new to TB, and have just downloaded the latest version S (1.62) for my Windows 95 system. I like the client so far but S my only complaint is with the compose editor. As I type, S preceding lines become garbled, almost to the point where S they look like characters from a foreign language. The longer S the paragraph, the more jumbled the paragraph becomes, and S the letters are no longer legible AM Very strange what's happening. Which font are you using? Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Model/view design for text editor
Hello Victor, Saturday, December 28, 2002, 9:03:03 AM, you wrote: VBG I am currently using Keynote and it is great but I really VBG like the hard wrap functions and free style caret that TB! VBG provides. VBG Anyone know of a good text editor like that? I'm not sure if it's like that (because I'm too dumb to know what you mean be free style caret _ perhaps I should ask my bunny? g) but you may like to try: http://www.editpadpro.com/ which is my editor of choice and is multi-language both in terms of programming, html etc, and in terms of the language set. There is a free version (Lite), a trial version (IIRC) and the full version, which I have. I've been using it for over 2 years now and I wouldn't swap it for anything :) -- Best regards, Mikemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Model/view design for text editor
Saturday, December 28, 2002, 4:03:03 AM, Victor wrote: Anyone know of a good text editor like that? Textpad. Http://www.textpad.com I have yet to find anything for Windows to match both its functionality and interface design. When I first started using Windows as my primary OS, I searched widely for something that would come close to the best editor I had previously used: CygnusEd for the Amiga. Bruno -- Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Model/view design for text editor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello TBudl, I've asked if anyone knew of an editor much like the editor TB! uses to compose. I've gotten some replies have tried them all. Fortunately one editor (The Boxer) did fit the free style caret request but I am still looking. Thank you all for your input :) - -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Keys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPg3YaV3LB35+TCg0EQJK2QCfe9wyQ4tNoKajdJVYE+uCBIUhWBUAoKxI 2WWAyv2LcdgBOuZXZanXBIc6 =Rq9o -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: [lost 500 messages][27/12/2002-13:59 GMT]
Hello Joseph, Friday, December 27, 2002, 10:13:28 AM, you wrote: JN canario.joe, JNOn Friday, December 27, 2002, canario.joe [lycos.es] wrote in JN [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: cjle if there is a virus and the avirus app is set to attempt to cjle clean and delete if unsuccessful, the whole of the mesage base cjle can be awept away. JN What is your basis for saying this? I have had viruses detected prior JN to using the plug-in, with my AV set to clean/delete, and also later JN with the plug-in. I have never had the problem you described. I use JN NOD32. If there is a sound reason for your statement, it would be a JN concern. cjle · Park the important messages and they wont go lost from the data base cjle in case of system failures; you can have them parked automatically cjle Finally, 1700 messages sound a bit too much. There may be (there were) cjle memory management problems in TB if the message base is that large. JN I personally think it tempts fate to keep that many messages in a mail JN client, so I use Mailbag Assistant, as do some others on this list. JN However, FWIW, I'll pass on reports from others here that 1700 JN messages is not too many for TB! to manage capably. I have a total of 201,329 messages in TB (and this is after archiving messages over 6 months old). Granted, they are spread over a few accounts and a number of mailboxes. I think the largest mailbox has 32,646 messages in it. Several have 4,000 messages. So far, I've not had any problems other than the understandable delay (due to the sheer volume of data) when reading mail or performing other activities in these mailboxes. cjle Guys, the only thing that really sux in TB is the IMAP/secure POP3 cjle support. These guys hace got to do something about this because IMAP cjle and secure connections are being widely used in universities and other cjle institutions. I agree. Version 2 of TB (anybody know when RIT hopes to have an alpha or beta available?) is supposed to address the IMAP and POP3s issues. I wish they'd release a list of planned (but not promised) features/changes for version 2, and when they'd like it to be available for the first round of beta testing. I think the current TB pop3s shortcoming can be worked around by setting up a local stunnel installation and making TB connect to the pop3s server through it. I've started to try it but haven't finished with it yet to know if it works or not. --James Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Model/view design for text editor
Hello Mike, On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:52:18 + GMT (28/12/02, 21:52 +0700 GMT), Mike Alexander wrote: I'm not sure if it's like that (because I'm too dumb to know what you mean be free style caret _ perhaps I should ask my bunny? g) LOL! No free carots with TB. g Free caret means that you just click the with the mouse to any position in the window, and that's where you continue typing. I once misspelled it as free claret, but that was after a night of French wine, and may have the same effect. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Der Tabellenerste kann jederzeit den Spitzenreiter schlagen. (Berti Vogts) Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Expanding threads - revisited
Is there any way to have TB automatically expand *all* threads in a folder each time TB is launched? ie. Never collapse threads automatically. Or a way to have it automatically expand threads currently being read and collapse others? Searching the menus and help file threads section I also can't find any thread navigation commands (menu or keyboard). Don't know why I can't find a command to take me to the first unread message in the current thread. It also gets a little confusing and tiring having all messages in the thread marked in the unread font/colour when there is only a single new message. I can understand that when the thread is collapsed, but when expanded it would be much nicer (for me) to have only the actual new message marked this way. Anyone know if mail to TB's wish email address is finally being delivered? Bruno -- Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Expanding threads - revisited
On Sunday, December 29, 2002, 5:03:14 AM, Bruno wrote: Searching the menus and help file threads section I also can't find any thread navigation commands (menu or keyboard). Don't know why I can't find a command to take me to the first unread message in the current thread. It also gets a little confusing and tiring having all messages in the thread marked in the unread font/colour when there is only a single new message. I can understand that when the thread is collapsed, but when expanded it would be much nicer (for me) to have only the actual new message marked this way. This has struck me as well. I know the moderators discourage me too remarks, but both paragraphs hit the nail on the head for me. Gavin Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Expanding threads - revisited
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Bruno Fernandes [BF] wrote:'
BF Is there any way to have TB automatically expand *all* threads
BF in a folder each time TB is launched?
Unfortunately not.
BF ie. Never collapse threads automatically. Or a way to have it
BF automatically expand threads currently being read and collapse
BF others?
Yes, with the navigation keys when you move to next unread messages,
the threads will be autoexpanded to achieve this.
BF Searching the menus and help file threads section I also can't
BF find any thread navigation commands (menu or keyboard).
These are in the view folder windows. If you double click on a
message, it will appear in another window. This is a view folder
window that can be used to browse the folder in which the displayed
message resides. To see the message list for the folder, go to the
View menu and select Message list.
On the View Folder window menu is the Navigation menu that contains
the commands and the respective keyboard shortcut.
To move to the next unread message, use either CTRL-Alt-Right or
CTRL-]. Note that you're now navigating using the message list
associated with the view folder window and not the main windows
message list.
BF It also gets a little confusing and tiring having all messages
BF in the thread marked in the unread font/colour when there is
BF only a single new message.
This is one way of knowing that there's an unread message in the
thread if it's collapsed. The message flag (the envelop icon) will
tell which of the messages are read.
BF Anyone know if mail to TB's wish email address is finally being
BF delivered?
No, I don't. But have you tried here:
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/login_page.php
When you logon, you'll see a drop down menu list in the right upper
corner of the page that takes you to The Bat! Wishes. This page is
official and is viewed by the developers.
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Re[2]: Expanding threads - revisited
Saturday, December 28, 2002, 1:12:02 PM, Gavin wrote: This has struck me as well. I know the moderators discourage me too remarks, but both paragraphs hit the nail on the head for me. Of course, after Allie wrote that reply, I saw that the navigation commands were also in the context menu when clicking on a threaded message. I could have sworn I looked in there before (i's the first place I would assume to look). Heh... Bruno -- Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Expanding threads - revisited
On Sunday, December 29, 2002, 5:33:42 AM, Bruno wrote: Saturday, December 28, 2002, 1:12:02 PM, Gavin wrote: This has struck me as well. I know the moderators discourage me too remarks, but both paragraphs hit the nail on the head for me. Of course, after Allie wrote that reply, I saw that the navigation commands were also in the context menu when clicking on a threaded message. I could have sworn I looked in there before (i's the first place I would assume to look). Two issues remain: first unread message in current thread, and the over-enthusiastic highlighting of messages when only one is actually unread. (This second issue may be just a matter of getting used to it, though...) Navigating to the first undread message in the current thread would be helpful in some circumstances, IIRC, and it would probably make sense to mark the current message unread before moving. Gavin Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: Model/view design for text editor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Victor, OK, back to the lab again, I've noticed with *The Boxer* text editor it doesn't let you free style the carets position on launch. You have to press enter first and then it'll let you free style on that line. I've downloaded tuns of text editors yesterday and came across an interesting free MDI which lets you free style and with a plethora of options (though not visibly, it's there). Anyway its called syn 2.0 ; http://syn.sourceforge.net/ It's interesting, for you text editing freaks out there :) Cheers! - -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Keys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPg3yHF3LB35+TCg0EQIuEwCeIofm109YDO/pY4SCW6wBd0LCTi8An322 gP1XFSIwIvpwnONZ+hTr660l =M0Fy -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
[the editor][28/12/2002-18:51 GMT]
Is it possible to extract, in some way, the editor from TB to use it as a standalone app ? Cheers, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Ø©Eªnº - þªT®iª - NØsT®ª] Las Palmas, Canary Islands [28/12/2002, 18:51 GMT] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 --- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Model/view design for text editor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, December 28, 2002, Victor B. Gonzalez wrote... I've downloaded tuns of text editors yesterday and came across an interesting free MDI which lets you free style and with a plethora of options (though not visibly, it's there). Anyway its called syn 2.0 ; http://syn.sourceforge.net/ Interestingly enough, I'm using the components similar to this to build my editor, I'm just seriously hacking the source code a bit to make it a totally free caret editor (unless they already did that) as it was limited to selecting past End of Line where as a free caret would allow past End of File. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73 iQA/AwUBPg3z5CuD6BT4/R9zEQLUGgCg1fRYBBvob9Bnhvtv/C7mrRcBTXUAoIMD AVb5CTYWbpnOsyX1q9f/q5l1 =VAWq -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [the editor][28/12/2002-18:51 GMT]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello -C, CJ Is it possible to extract, in some way, the editor from TB to use CJ it as a standalone app ? You know I was thinking about exactly that as I started chasing a text editor like it. If you insist on using it as a text editor I would suggest you start looking into the command switches. You can simply manipulate your shortcut file to accept a command switch, which would launch the composer first. I just started getting into commands and there not that hard. The Bat! help files list some of the switches and I am about to look into it. I am sure someone knows exactly the switch to launch the editor and am sure someone will help you. I did come across a text editor which somewhat works like The Bats! composer... Its called syn 2.0 and you can get it at http://syn.sourceforge.net/ - -- Best Regards Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Keys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPg30v13LB35+TCg0EQLKJQCbBHfBqvKX1YP3I4TWFKdvUa97CZ4AnAg+ e+/bei9vf6Q6g4amNjfsEz19 =yuGD -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Model/view design for text editor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jonathan, I've downloaded tuns of text editors yesterday and came across an interesting free MDI which lets you free style and with a plethora of options (though not visibly, it's there). Anyway its called syn 2.0 ; http://syn.sourceforge.net/ JA Interestingly enough, I'm using the components similar to this to JA build my editor, I'm just seriously hacking the source code a bit to JA make it a totally free caret editor (unless they already did that) JA as it was limited to selecting past End of Line where as a free JA caret would allow past End of File. Very cool, If you like I would help beta test it as I have no fear of betas in the least. I would like to see it :) Good luck with it :) BTW, You can e-mail me personally on this one but will you support XP themes? Curious... Thanks for your time, Jonathan ;) - -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Keys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPg32fV3LB35+TCg0EQKCmACeOpR7RpVul4u/6MrKglhqdMIPdP4AoNBv 38qCWEWc0FqBft4cYLBZxkkJ =PYdX -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
I caught the NIMBDA Virus
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello tbudl, I have no Virus plug ins that work with The Bat! and no Anti-Virus scanner running active. I was cleaning my hard drive out and came across a message titled: l2_button_myphonebook_page Within it were two attachments Message.htm Readme.exe Knowing it'll be stupid to launch anything entitled readme.exe I decided the hell with it let me double click it and The Bat! quickly intercepted and said... This file is not allowed for opening under any circumstances... Very cool!, I downloaded it to my hard drive and said the hell with it, I'll scan it. PC-cillin said it was infected with the PE_NIMBDA.A-0 Virus. The moral of the story is if The Bat! wasn't so smart I would have been proven to be real stupid. Nice catch. I just thought I would share that with you all. BTW, 4 years on-line and this is my first catch :) Is it a sign? Wierdest thing is it was actually located on a shared drive on the network. It wasn't really on my PC to begin with but was in a shared folder that no one really touches. hmmm I will look up this virus and slap the owner. If only it we're that easy huh... Oh,well - -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Keys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPg37eV3LB35+TCg0EQIABACg20S93ek8R/+vpjhgiL9cB2ysUvkAoLu9 Eyzr6QrSizME1Fbrx7McrjfP =r66x -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I caught the NIMBDA Virus
Hi Victor, on Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:29:05 -0500GMT (28.12.02, 20:29 +0100GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : VBG I have no Virus plug ins that work with The Bat! and no VBG Anti-Virus scanner running active. You should have at least the latter... ;-) VBG ... VBG Knowing it'll be stupid to launch anything entitled VBG readme.exe I decided the hell with it let me double click it VBG and The Bat! quickly intercepted and said... VBGThis file is not allowed for opening under any VBGcircumstances... Lucky you for not having changed TB!'s default settings. *S* VBG Very cool!, I downloaded it to my hard drive and said the VBG hell with it, I'll scan it. PC-cillin said it was infected VBG with the PE_NIMBDA.A-0 Virus. See. VBG The moral of the story is if The Bat! wasn't so smart I VBG would have been proven to be real stupid. Yes, indeed, you would have! :) VBG Nice catch. I just thought I would share that with you all. VBG BTW, 4 years on-line and this is my first catch :) VBG Is it a sign? It is certainly a sign that you should watch which files to download and execute... ;-) -- Cheers Peter It takes more than three weeks to prepare a good impromptu speech. Mark Twain Winamp currently playing: Rare Bird - Flight Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [Compose Editor Produces Jumbled Letters][28/12/2002-12:13 GMT]
I suspected a virus but Norton Antivirus has not detected anything (yet), and I have all the updates. Come to think of it, several years ago I was given a small program on a floppy disk, the contents of which also had jumbled letters - a virus scan produced nothing but we figured the program had been corrupted somehow. Maybe that is the situation here. Perhaps an uninstall/reinstall may help, or maybe trying an earlier version of TB (maybe there's a glitch in the new version)? As far as which font I'm using, it is set at Courier New, font size 9. How would I do a screen capture? Thanks, Sue Saturday, December 28, 2002, 5:14:41 AM, you wrote: That kind erratic behaviour sounds to me as a virus. Cheers, Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Model/view design for text editor
Saturday, December 28, Mark Evens wrote about Model/view design for text editor and said: ME ... Some unix wizards love emacs because they have memorized all ME the magic keystrokes required to edit without touching a mouse. ME Most of us are not like that. We want our editors to do ME low-level thinking for us. In that case, we will have to think in the way that our text editor (or email message composer) was designed. I found TB!'s design paradigm to be frustrating when I first started using it in 1999 w/ v 1.35. It was too different from what I was used to, above all the floating (or free) caret. This no longer bothers me. Any time I want the cursor at the end of the line, I just hit end, which will bring it either right or left, depending on where it is at present. This may be a bother to anyone not used to having to do that, but 1).- I'm used to it and 2).- It's consistent with the rest of TB!'s message editors' features. I'm no expert on text editors, so I'd best ask. Can other editors: Begin a text block anywhere, with automatic placement for additional lines? Change text from All Caps to All Lower Case or First Letter Caps with a 2 key keystroke combo? Eliminate or add columns? Use tabs with a built in memory in relation to the preceding line? Justify or reformat as easily? Complete the address as agilely? Make and use address books as easily? Use folder level templates that are code-able for supplying any of the header info that's desired? Move a text block right or left? Spell check in multiple languages? I sure wish my word processor had some of these features. ME There are good reasons why most editors behave differently from ME Bat. The reverse is also true: There are good reasons why TB! works the way it does. Not that it's perfect as is. I'd welcome support for the windows command ctrl+up or down, for jumping between paragraphs, for instance. I'd also like to be able to reformat multiple paragraphs at once. But given TB!'s stability, ability to download simultaneously from multiple accounts, the Mail Dispatcher, Selective Download, Virtual View windows (if you use the Ticker), virus protection, frequent upgrades at no cost (so far), the TB! User Groups etc., I'm satisfied - and not even thinking about looking for a different email client. ME I had to use Utilities Format Block Left at least ten times while ME editing this short note. I find that to be a nuisance. Others share ME this viewpoint So do I. What I don't understand is why you just don't use alt+l. ME and it is perfectly reasonable. We do not intend to give up on ME Bat, but to offer our experiences in an effort to make Bat even ME better. I've used Bat for many years and still find this editor ME very annoying. So my habit is to use UltraEdit alongside Bat. I ME would rather use just one program. While your opinions are certainly respectable, getting them implemented means you need to express these things to the developers, rather than fellow users. ME The suggestion of model/view should not be shouted down. Although I don't think Allie shouted, his response lended itself to an excessively authoritarian interpretation which knowing him as I do, represents a less than ideal way of expressing that which he meant to say rather than the logical interpretation you gave it. ME Model/view would give all of us what we want. People who like ME hard linefeeds and Alt-L could keep on using them. Meanwhile ME the rest of us would have a more intelligent and pleasant ME editor taking care of those irritating details for us. Alt+l is fine with me. Word processors use ctrl+l (for align left) instead of alt but as I said, I've gotten used to it. The above is just one users opinion, but may be as well grounded as as other user's. IAC, a future TB! could contain hooks for an external text editor, just as it already does with external AV apps, full PGP and html viewers - but you'll need to convince the developers. Douglas Douglas Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [Compose Editor Produces Jumbled Letters][28/12/2002-12:13 GMT]
On Saturday, December 28, 2002, 9:11:32 PM, you wrote: Come to think of it, several years ago I was given a small program on a floppy disk, the contents of which also had jumbled letters - a virus scan produced nothing but we figured the program had been corrupted somehow. Maybe that is the Jumbled letters don't necessarily indicate corruption. The program may have been compressed, for instance. In my experience, anti-virus software that runs in the background causes unacceptable performance hit and generates too many false positives. In my line of work, I often receive large attachments (typically, 5-10 MB in size). I have yet to see an AV package that scans this amount of data without annoying delays. They're buggy, too. I've been receiving complaints from users of one of my freeware applications - apparently my app wouldn't respond when a hyperlink to a local file was clicked. Turned out they were all using AVG, which somehow, totally invisibly to the user, prevented the program from launching other applications. How would I do a screen capture? The PrintScreen key will copy your current screen to clipboard. Alt+PrintScreen will copy only the active window (which is typically more useful). You can then paste the image from clipboard into any image editing program (Paint will do). .marek jedlinski -- No ads, no nags freeware: http://keynote.prv.pl (KeyNote, PhoneDeck, KookieJar, Oubliette) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Reformatting multiple paragraphs at once
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Douglas Hinds [DH] wrote:'
DH I'd also like to be able to reformat multiple paragraphs at once.
I thought I'd break out of the original thread you posted to Dierk
to comment on this since some who aren't interested may miss this
nice little trick.
The 'Paste Formatted' command, i.e., CTRL-Shift-Ins will reflow
multiple paragraphs at once. If you have a lot of paragraphs to
reflow, you could select them all, hit CTRL-C or CTRL-X to copy them
to the clipboard and then hit the Paste Formatted command. All
paragraphs will be re-flowed and pasted back into the editor.
If you have a macro tool installed, you could convert those two
shortcut keystrokes into a single macro keyboard shortcut.
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Re: Reformatting multiple paragraphs at once
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Allie C Martin [ACM] wrote:'
ACM I thought I'd break out of the original thread you posted to Dierk
That should've been Douglas and not Dierk ... sorry for the typo.
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Re: Reformatting multiple paragraphs at once
On Saturday, December 28, 2002, Allie Martin wrote: The 'Paste Formatted' command, i.e., CTRL-Shift-Ins will reflow multiple paragraphs at once. If you have a lot of paragraphs to reflow, you could select them all, hit CTRL-C or CTRL-X to copy them to the clipboard and then hit the Paste Formatted command. All paragraphs will be re-flowed and pasted back into the editor. If you have a macro tool installed, you could convert those two shortcut keystrokes into a single macro keyboard shortcut. Allie: THANK YOU, once again! I've always had a problem with this and never known how to do it. I use Ctrl-Shift-Ins when I paste material from other programs into an email, but I never thought of using Ctrl-X along with it! Brilliant. Another item that should be be added to the FAQ. Mike -- JANUS BOOKS, LTD. Post Office Box 40787 Tucson, AZ 85717 Phone: 520-881-8192; toll-free voice-mail: 800-986-1165 Fax: 815-333-2938 http://janusbooks.com Visa, MasterCard, American Express, Discover, and PayPal accepted. Member: IOBA (Independent Online Booksellers Association) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Model/view design for text editor
On Saturday, December 28, 2002, 12:38:48 AM, Bruno Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) BF I'd love a way to disable the free caret. Like Multi-Edit, which has a configurable restrict cursor option. I'm long used to a free caret, but as almost EVERY word processor and editor don't have this, almost EVERY user is accustomed to a restricted cursor. I'd like to see TB have such an option, if nothing other than to eliminate these seemlingly endless discussions related to a free caret!! jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reformatting multiple paragraphs at once
In mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Melissa Reese [MR] wrote:'
MR I just tried this on a couple of test replies, and while it
MR worked for most paragraphs, one paragraph in each of the tests
MR was re-flowed badly (some lines with just one word in them).
MR Why would this be happening?
Hmmm. I don't know. It has worked nicely in all the instances I've
tried.
I don't really use the trick myself so I haven't really been testing
it much.
Upon testing it further there's one terrible thing I now realize.
The paste formatted options seems to reflow like OE and others like
it.
It works beautifully when reflowing multiple unwrapped paragraphs
like from a Word document or from an OE user who doesn't wrap the
text sent to others. However, if the text is already wrapped, it
will wrap with the OE type effect.
Here's an example:
Test block unwrapped:
Anyone have a clue if there is a tool to check the Message DB, or
verify if there anything left ? or anything one could do to get those
messages back .. there was alot of pending stuff .. i now no longer
have :(
Test block wrapped by copying and then pasting using Paste
Formatted:
Anyone have a clue if there is a tool to check the Message DB, or
verify if there anything left ? or anything one could do to get
those
messages back .. there was alot of pending stuff .. i now no
longer
have :(
Oops. Not so good, is it. :(
It's an interesting option but with a crippling weakness. It doesn't
properly re-wrap already wrapped text.
It would appear that the only way to do it is through the use of
complex macros. These have been already posted:
Create a quick template named 'wc' and copy and paste in it the
macros below:
%COMMENT=%CLIPBOARD%-
%QINCLUDE=wrap2
%COMMENT=
Create another quick template named 'wrap2' and copy/paste in it the
regex macro below:
%IF:'%-
%SETPATTREGEXP=(?is-m)[^\n]+%-
%REGEXPMATCH=%COMMENT''':'%-
%-
%WRAPPED=_%SETPATTREGEXP=(?is-m)^(.*?)(\n((\w{0,5}(\\s*)+)?\n){1,}(.*)$|\z)%-
%-%-%-%-%-%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=%COMMENT%-
%-%-%-%-%-%SUBPATT=1_
%-
%COMMENT=_%SETPATTREGEXP=(?is-m)^.*?(\n((\w{0,5}(\\s*)+)?\n){1,}(.*)\s*$|\z)%-
%-%-%-%-%-%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=%COMMENT%-
%-%-%-%-%-%SUBPATT=5_
%-
%QINCLUDE=wrap2'
Done. Now when you wish to reflow your multiple paragraphs, just
copy the text to clipboard using CTRL-X, then apply the quick
template wc by typing wc then CTRL-space.
Your text will be reinserted wrapped.
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Re[3]: Model/view design for text editor
On Saturday, December 28, 2002, 4:03:03 AM, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: VBG -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- VBG Hash: SHA1 (snip) VBG I am also looking for a text editor that works like the TB! VBG I would like the free style caret position with hard returns VBG guaranteed. VBG I am currently using Keynote and it is great but I really VBG like the hard wrap functions and free style caret that TB! VBG provides. VBG Anyone know of a good text editor like that? Well since you asked, my vote goes to Multi-Edit. It is not cheap (but not the most expensive either) and may be overkill for your needs (much of its features are geared towards programmers), but it is amazing versatile and configurable. They have a 30-day demo so you have nothing to lose by checking it out: http://www.multiedit.com jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reformatting multiple paragraphs at once
In mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Melissa Reese [MR] wrote:'
...then apply the quick template wc by typing wc then...
MR Thanks Allie, that works perfectly! :-)
It's really a modification of a macro Januk created, i.e., the one
for reflowing quoted text during reply message creation.
I've just added this one to the Macro and Templates repository.
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Library.html
There are some other great macros there.
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Re: Compose Editor Produces Jumbled Letters
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Sue [S] wrote:'
S As I type, preceding lines become garbled, almost to the point
S where they look like characters from a foreign language. The
S longer the paragraph, the more jumbled the paragraph becomes, and
S the letters are no longer legible. I've tried toggling the
S auto-wrap, auto-justify, auto-format features and nothing has
S corrected the problem. I tried manually justifying the paragraph
S and it does correct the problem temporarily, but as I correct one
S paragraph, other paragraphs around it becomes jumbled and
S unreadable. The only way for me to even read what I've typed is
S to put it in the Outbox where everything appears normal again.
I've since uploaded a capture of what she's referring to. You can
view it here:
http://www.landscreek.net/pics/text2.jpg
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Re: Compose Editor Produces Jumbled Letters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Allie, @28-Dec-2002, 18:55 -0500 (23:55 UK time) Allie Martin said: S As I type, preceding lines become garbled, almost to the point S where they look like characters from a foreign language. ... snip http://www.landscreek.net/pics/text2.jpg This clearly shows a GDI fault - most likely caused by a faulty screen driver or edit control DLL. Or it could be to do with using large fonts mode windows (although this is less likely). How to cure it? Make sure you have the correct screen drivers. Make sure the correct font control options are in use. That's what I think. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+DkYPOeQkq5KdzaARAsCdAJ4wAZ0se08zsvT8Moun0k16V/j2kgCeKvqD 4KGFJ3sjeJvp6nURdUVEHrU= =yqcc -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I caught the NIMBDA Virus
Hello Victor, Saturday, December 28, 2002, 7:29:05 PM, you wrote: VBG Hello tbudl, VBG I have no Virus plug ins that work with The Bat! and no VBG Anti-Virus scanner running active. Yikes!! Victor, please promise me you'll never, ever email me? Thanks. Then when I get a message from you I'll know it's definitely one of the viruses you've caught. ;-) Seriously, you absolutely should have a scanner. You could be one of the people passing on viruses to people. While I realise TB isn't prone to some of the viruses out there (a good reason for having it) it is still prone to a lot of the other viruses/worms that are around. Not having a scanner not only means you can get infected, it also means you can pass it on to other people. Personally, I use Norton AntiVirus as it consistently detects more of the nasties in tests than anything else. The only other one I could recommend would be Sophos Sweep which, in it's corporate form is good also. But please, get something. -- Best regards, Mike mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Compose Editor Produces Jumbled Letters
In reply to Allie's message 'Compose Editor Produces Jumbled Letters' on Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:55:53 -0500 from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: AM http://www.landscreek.net/pics/text2.jpg weird. I did see something similar to this when I was attempting to overclock an old TNT graphics card, perhaps the graphics card is over heating? However, I do imagine that is rather unlikely, because just general system instability would be a major problem if that was the case. Perhaps try removing and reinstalling the graphics drivers for your graphics card, maybe they are just corrupt. -- dan. e [EMAIL PROTECTED] w http://www.danhirning.com Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Filter question. Delete after reading?
Hello, Maybe I'm missing something but I can't find anyway to automatically delete a message once it's been read. If that's not possible how about moving it to another folder which I can set to automatically delete everything in it asap. I don't want to move the message to trash and set it to auto delete after a short period as I manually check that every day or so just incase something important slipped through my spam filters. -- Best regards, Richard Lane - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Magnum Opus http://www.magnumopus.co.uk Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I caught the NIMBDA Virus
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, December 28, 2002, Mike Alexander wrote... While I realise TB isn't prone to some of the viruses out there (a good reason for having it) it is still prone to a lot of the other viruses/worms that are around. Could you please enlighten me as to what viruses TB! is susceptible to? You'll only be infected with a virus through TB! if you were foolish enough to launch the file without checking it first, or trusting the source explicitly, and still launching it. Not having a scanner not only means you can get infected, it also means you can pass it on to other people. Personally, I use Norton AntiVirus as it consistently detects more of the nasties in tests than anything else. The only other one I could recommend would be Sophos Sweep which, in it's corporate form is good also. But please, get something. Not that I am worried, I run Sophos on our mail servers, so I'm not too worried about getting infected, but I'd still like to know which viruses you think affect TB! - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73 iQA/AwUBPg5fbiuD6BT4/R9zEQJupQCfZsY6oAYeTKJ7AsCHEhOuzzcFPF4AoOfi R35poGsMhTxu66DKXiA5WFnx =9EbY -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Compose Editor Produces Jumbled Letters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, December 28, 2002, Allie Martin wrote... S As I type, preceding lines become garbled, almost to the point S where they look like characters from a foreign language. I've since uploaded a capture of what she's referring to. You can view it here: http://www.landscreek.net/pics/text2.jpg Oh interesting. I get that from time to time. It's normally caused by a failure to properly refresh the screen on a scroll, and there can be a number of causes. As others have mentioned, drivers for graphics cards is one. I've often found in cases like that, scrolling past end of page, and back up again normally helps a bit as the 'editor' resends the refresh, or a minimize and restore of the window helps sometimes too. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73 iQA/AwUBPg5hlyuD6BT4/R9zEQIS+gCg/N8MPctkvv9PJSFU39Wq/vMoZCIAoKW6 X450nxSlw0Js18T3gWOaNOqS =nSY4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter question. Delete after reading?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Richard, @29-Dec-2002, 02:18 Richard Lane [RL] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: RL Maybe I'm missing something but I can't find anyway to RL automatically delete a message once it's been read. Just create a Read message filter that has Delete message as an action. In the sorting office, there are four major filter groups. The second group is the Read Message filter group. That's the one you want. RL If that's not possible how about moving it to another folder RL which I can set to automatically delete everything in it asap. That's pretty simple to do too, but you won't need it if you can get the above to work for you. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+DmFuOeQkq5KdzaARAqDRAJ0f2wfiBVGt/E1a2aT9++xId6wReACg3Et6 4H+FN/ieOH1tXEI0OquojGA= =24oq -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I caught the NIMBDA Virus
Hello Victor, On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:29:05 -0500 GMT (29/12/02, 02:29 +0700 GMT), Victor B. Gonzalez wrote: Knowing it'll be stupid to launch anything entitled readme.exe I decided the hell with it let me double click it and The Bat! quickly intercepted and said... This file is not allowed for opening under any circumstances... Very cool!, Check out the settings under Options / Preferences / Warnings and see why this happened. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Two wrongs are only the beginning. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Model/view design for text editor
Hello Bruno, On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:38:48 -0500 GMT (28/12/02, 12:38 +0700 GMT), Bruno Fernandes wrote: I'd love a way to disable the free caret. As an added option, I don't see a problem with it. I have been using the free caret to the extent that I get annoyed with Word, but I see that other people would like the cursor . ;-) I'd love to be able to toggle my view between fixed-pitch and variable-pitch fonts (I rarely need to use the font for making columnar alignment) etc... I'd love that option too. While I only use a fixed-width font (Courier New) for emails in European languages, the fixed-width fonts for Thai are plain ugly. I would say this is a major drawback, if Rit ever want to sell TB here. My favourite Thai font is AngsanaUPC. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. BROT trocknet nicht so rasch aus, wenn man es stets in einem Eimer mit Wasser lagert. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Model/view design for text editor
Hello Douglas, On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:38:12 +0100 GMT (29/12/02, 04:38 +0700 GMT), Douglas Hinds wrote: I'm no expert on text editors, so I'd best ask. Can other editors: Change text from All Caps to All Lower Case or First Letter Caps with a 2 key keystroke combo? How do you do that? (Another feature I never knew of... ;-)) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. If you're born again, do you have two bellybuttons? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter question. Delete after reading?
Hello Marck, Sunday, December 29, 2002, 2:43:56 AM, you wrote: RL Maybe I'm missing something but I can't find anyway to RL automatically delete a message once it's been read. Just create a Read message filter that has Delete message as an action. In the sorting office, there are four major filter groups. The second group is the Read Message filter group. That's the one you want. I was missing something after all. I was looking in the wrong place for it. Thanks, made a filter and it works fine now. -- Best regards, Richard Lane - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Magnum Opus http://www.magnumopus.co.uk Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I caught the NIMBDA Virus
Actually, I tried to allow PDF's on that screen and it still prompts me :- / -Original Message- From: Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Victor B. Gonzalez on TBUDL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 09:59:10 +0700 Subject: Re: I caught the NIMBDA Virus Hello Victor, On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:29:05 -0500 GMT (29/12/02, 02:29 +0700 GMT), Victor B. Gonzalez wrote: Knowing it'll be stupid to launch anything entitled readme.exe I decided the hell with it let me double click it and The Bat! quickly intercepted and said... This file is not allowed for opening under any circumstances... Very cool!, Check out the settings under Options / Preferences / Warnings and see why this happened. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Two wrongs are only the beginning. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Model/view design for text editor
The main point everyone should take away is the idea of model/view supporting various behaviors in the editor. WIthout model/view distinctions, there can only be one (fixed) behavior. It may also be worth pointing out to Bat developers that this e-list should be regarded as a highly biased sample population. For each voice in favor of current features, there may be at least one other person (not on the e-list -- not in the sample population) who evaluated Bat! but decided against it because of that very feature. I was almost one of them and in fact still don't use Bat's klunky editor. It reminds me too much of a TTY terminal Regards. Mark Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I caught the NIMBDA Virus
Hello Francis, On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:49:49 -0500 GMT (29/12/02, 10:49 +0700 GMT), Francis Mendez wrote: Actually, I tried to allow PDF's on that screen and it still prompts me :- Have you taklen *.PDF off the Disable list and put it under Enable without warning? Also, the file might have a double ending, and that may cause another warning, which you can get rid off by clearing the tickbox. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Drink wet cement: Get Stoned. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Compose Editor Produces Jumbled Letters
Jonathan, JA Oh interesting. I get that from time to time. It's normally caused JA by a failure to properly refresh the screen on a scroll, and there JA can be a number of causes. As others have mentioned, drivers for JA graphics cards is one. I've often found in cases like that, JA scrolling past end of page, and back up again normally helps a bit JA as the 'editor' resends the refresh, or a minimize and restore of JA the window helps sometimes too. I would have to agree that it's graphics related. My suggestion is to be sure that the correct video drivers are installed and check to see if there are any updates on the internet that can be downloaded and installed. It could also be an interaction between TB! and another program or utility running on the system. If no problems can be found with the video drivers, try shutting down all other programs and running TB! alone. If Win95 or Win98 is the OS, use control-alt-del to bring up the task manager and highlight each running process (one at a time) *except Explorer and Sys Tray* and click END TASK. This can be a lengthy process but it assures you that very little can be interfering with what you are running. I always had to do this in the old days to burn CDs as any other process would use too much CPU time and all I would get is coasters. There was no room for error with a 133Mhz CPU... If ending processes in Task Manager causes the garbled text to go away, then it's a slow laborious process of elimination to figure out which of the processes you ended is causing the conflict. Reboot so all are running again and then end them one at a time and test with TB! till the problem goes away. The last one you ended is the most likely culprit. Good luck. -- Scott Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: I caught the NIMBDA Virus
Hello Jonathan, Sunday, December 29, 2002, 2:35:22 AM, you wrote: JA Could you please enlighten me as to what viruses TB! is susceptible JA to? You'll only be infected with a virus through TB! if you were JA foolish enough to launch the file without checking it first, or JA trusting the source explicitly, and still launching it. I agree. Except for Trojans of course. And as long as you keep all your mail incoming to text only. And as long as you don't click on something sent to you by a friend. And as long as you don't click on something by accident. And as long as you have AV software to make sure none of the above happens if you don't take the necessary precautions for one reason or another. Before Windows, there was, and still is, *nix in it's various flavours. There are more viruses/worms, because of it's long history for *nix than for any other OS. And they are mostly adaptable. Now that Macs run a Unix system I expect to see far more of these around now as there is finally a user base big enough to make it worth the while of crackers to write for it. These do not rely in anyway on vulnerabilities in Windows and are often generic (i.e. cross platform). So, yes, I do agree with you providing you never make a mistake ;-) JA Not that I am worried, I run Sophos on our mail servers, so I'm not JA too worried about getting infected, but I'd still like to know which JA viruses you think affect TB! Good. Actually, people cause far more problems these days by transmission rather than by their own misfortune :) -- Best regards, Mikemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Model/view design for text editor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Thomas, I'm no expert on text editors, so I'd best ask. Can other editors: Change text from All Caps to All Lower Case or First Letter Caps with a 2 key keystroke combo? TF How do you do that? (Another feature I never knew of... ;-)) I use one text/rtf editor which provides a plethora of options that do allow manipulation of text in many ways. It is called keynote 1.5.8 and you can get it at the following address: http://keynote.prv.pl/ You can send mail direct from the program and it is quite amazing being it is a free application :) I prefer it over many IMO. - -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Keys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPg5/FV3LB35+TCg0EQJDUwCfX7pxWbO0IQm3ftaO1O2n6cKfmGIAnixh 4YwYWS3xbrlr1Q54XKPz20Tg =BKyA -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: I caught the NIMBDA Virus
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Mike, VBG I have no Virus plug ins that work with The Bat! and no VBG Anti-Virus scanner running active. In actuality I have 2 AVs. pccillin Norton fully updated. I manually choose to disable their running active on purpose. I like my system to run quicker faster do not appreciate the lag these types of programs create. MA Yikes!! Victor, please promise me you'll never, ever email me? Thanks. MA Then when I get a message from you I'll know it's definitely one of MA the viruses you've caught. ;-) hehe, ok. But I cannot promise I'll never e-mail you :) MA Seriously, you absolutely should have a scanner. You could be one of MA the people passing on viruses to people. Even if I had executed the virus and it be one of the worst viruses in existence it really wouldn't have affected me in the least. I've built my systems to be +virus proof and I can literally catch over 400 different viruses in one shot and it wouldn't make a difference to my information or OS boot stability. To be honest I don't even need my currently updated AVs. MA Not having a scanner not only means you can get infected, it also MA means you can pass it on to other people. You're right! you got me there. I know not every one has systems plans in place like I do to fend off viruses, Trojans worms. I have plans on writing a report on how to operate maintain a safe and healthy OS after I finish my spam report and to be honest you've made a point I really didn't stop to think about. One thing then I would need help with if someone would be so kind. One, I understand The Bat! supports the AVG plugin, but do I need AVG running all the time or can AVG simply launch unnoticeably when I hit send to send mail out then just stop? I would like AVG to only scan outgoing mail at all other times remain inactive not scanning anything else. I am right now going to test sending nimbda to myself while pccillin has pop3 mail scan active :) I'll let you know ;) - -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Keys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPg6FoF3LB35+TCg0EQI9NgCfQlf51IPlNcQSVpbe5Lpn5YKt9mIAn13x c6BtKkaAPH+rj9t74KBsgo0U =aSEJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: [lost 500 messages][27/12/2002-13:59 GMT]
Hexdump, *** === *** === *** === *** === *** === *** === *** === *** Saturday, December 28, 2002, 2:57:25 AM, you wrote: H -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- H Hash: SHA1 H On Fri, 27 Dec 2002, Scott Johnson wrote: S My mail folder now weighs in at 137,352 messages, totalling 9.7GB S of data. Not even a groan from TB! yet! That is as long as I S don't allow a mail folder (*.TBB) to exceed the 2.1GB file size S limitation). Happened once, but I am more careful now. Since I read that NTFS doesn't have that file size limitation, I wonder how big TB! will let you go when running WinXP and NTFS? ;) Maybe I should create a dummy account and do some testing??? Hehehe I'm going to be a crash test dummy in my next life... H NTFS does have limits. They are supposed to be fairly large though. Here H is a link to more information on Microsoft's website: H http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/prkc_fil_tdrn.asp H I'd wager that you'll probably run into problems long before you reach the H file size limit. Ok. I stand corrected. Everything has a limit at least in theory. In my particular case though, I am and will be for some time to come, limited only by total disk space on any given volume. Microsoft talks in terabytes and I am barely into triple digit gigabytes... The largest volume on my system is under 40 GB. ;) -- Scott Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I caught the NIMBDA Virus
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, December 28, 2002, Mike Alexander wrote... JA Could you please enlighten me as to what viruses TB! is JA susceptible to? You'll only be infected with a virus through TB! JA if you were foolish enough to launch the file without checking it JA first, or trusting the source explicitly, and still launching it. I agree. Except for Trojans of course. I was after a specific example of a virus that affects TB!, as from the statement, it'd appear that you think there are viruses that are propagated via TB!, I'm not saying there are any, but I've not seen any. Of course, there are methods of getting viruses from websites, iframe and javascript for example, but none of those are specific to TB! I'd like to hear of an example that specifically affects TB! and doesn't require that you make some kind of user interaction, because if user interaction is required, then again, it's not specific to TB, but could be included in a floppy disk, CD, website, download, or whatever, at which point you'd have to run it anyway. JA Not that I am worried, I run Sophos on our mail servers, so I'm JA not too worried about getting infected, but I'd still like to JA know which viruses you think affect TB! Good. Actually, people cause far more problems these days by transmission rather than by their own misfortune :) Indeed, gone are the days where to spread a virus, it'd require you to grab a copy on floppy disk, and execute the program, causing infection. Of course, in most cases of infection (more specifically recently in the last year) those infected never know until somebody manages to track down the sender (see Klez), and let them know. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73 iQA/AwUBPg6JKyuD6BT4/R9zEQJX3wCgkhd8tsPefOH0DG2YLURUxjXfoAQAoIGh 7Yrzl7fSpjMlRHFCHQf/YPPN =kDEY -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Feature Request I'd Like To See in The Bat!
I use multiple email accounts (like 15 or so) with TheBat and would like some better ways to manage them: - make changes to the preferences on a global scale - make filters (anti spam mainly) that can reach all accounts with out having to make them for each account. - have the email checking sequential-able so all the accounts don't check at the same time Scott Dallas, TX, USA The Bat 1.62 Christmas on Win98 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
