Re[3]: Still Running Slow
Hello Daniel, Saturday, January 18, 2003, 3:01:42 PM, you wrote: DR I'm using Zone Alarm with Mail Safe on and everything works fine, but DR that's with the latest version of Zone Alarm(3.5.169.002). When we DR had the previous version of Zone Alarm on the servers, one of our DR servers was slowing down for no apparent reason(and no e-mail client DR and e-mail server resides on that system). And, when we upgraded ZA DR on that server, it's running normally since then. There was a problem with ZA when they brought out the version 3 client, so we stayed with the version 2 client till it was sorted out. Seems like the latest version 3 is OK now :-) -- Best regards, Barry2 Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 98 4.10 Build Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features
Saturday, January 18, 2003, 1:58:31 PM,Paul wrote: PC I have 2 antivirus plugins, the NOD32 (test version 0.1) and AVG 10. PC I am using AVG, and I don't remember why I added the NOD32 plugin. Paul, this could well be your problem. It's never recommended to run two a/v's together as they can fight each other and thus cause the user just this sort of problem. I'd suggest you remove one of them and try and see if this resolves the matter. -- Cheers, Anne Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 98 4.10 Build Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: I love the Bat (...)
Saturday, January 18, 2003, 2:35:24 PM,Miguel wrote: MAU I'm not on TBOT. :-( Miguel, you could always join us... there are always lots of interesting discussions going on there. :-) -- Cheers, Anne Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 98 4.10 Build Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I want to clarify I few things here
Saturday, January 18, 2003, 10:12:56 AM,Robert wrote: RS do not stamp your feet and send a plain message to friend or RS potential client. Interestingly, I send all my mails to my customers in plain text and none seem to mind. :-) -- Cheers, Anne Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 98 4.10 Build Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I want to clarify I few things here
Saturday, January 18, 2003, 10:12:56 AM,Robert wrote: RS Many people like html mail I feel that part of the reason that people *like* html is that is because in the main it's what they have always used. Like a pair of old slippers - comfie. To change to a new mail client means having to discard something they can use, and learn something new (and not everyone wants or is able to do this). If Microsoft had designed Outlook Express to write only plain text mails we'd not be having this discussion methinks? ;-) -- Cheers, Anne Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 98 4.10 Build Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features
Saturday, January 18, 2003, 11:19:53 AM,Miguel wrote: MAU Why are some of you somewhat afraid of a newsreader/mail client MAU combo? It could be (should be) quite transparent to you if you just MAU want to use it for e-mail. As I envision it, the difference would MAU (could) be that when you want to create a new account you are given MAU the option to create a mail or a news account. If you create a mail one MAU you have to configure the POP and SMTP servers, etc., and if a news MAU one the news server. What a big deal! Just like now when creating a MAU news folder we have the option to create a normal folder in the MAU selected account or a global folder. I'm not afraid of it Miguel, I just don't want to use TB! in that way. As I said elsewhere if I wished to use newsgroups (which I don't any more) I would go back to using Gravity which I like immensely for that purpose. In the same way as I like TB! immensely for my mail, and so on. I think what worries me about programs which do multiple things is that they can (not always it's true) get to the stage where they do everything OK but nothing eally well. In other words you can get by with them, but they are not as good *in my opinion* as standalone programs for each purpose. Taken to its extreme we could say let's design a super program that does everything - mail, news, ftp down/uploads, writes webpages, produces office type documents, incorporates a firewall and an anti-virus and so on. But would we want this? I certainly wouldn't. I want the freedom to mix and match programs that - for me - do the best job in the way that suits me rather than be forced to buy super programs that multi-function. OTOH if the extras like a newsreader option were to be available via plugins, in the same way as are existing anti-virus and PGP plugins, then I'd have no problems with that. As ever with this it is very much a matter of what suits the user best :-) -- Cheers, Anne Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 98 4.10 Build Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TBUDL - this very list
Saturday, January 18, 2003, 2:59:12 PM,Thomas wrote: TF Let's find out. I myself am located in the galaxy of Alpha Centauri, TF solar system Gamma 7, ninth planet. Where are you? lol I'd say 3rd rock from the Sun but I think someone already said that yesterday! ;-) ducking away from trout heading for TBOT! TF In some cases, not even the ones who talk about it understand it! ;-) So what chance do we poor souls have? g -- Cheers, Anne Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 98 4.10 Build Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Transferring filters
Hi Bat! Fans, I am in the process of setting up a third isp (actually Hamster). Is there any way of simply transferring all my existing filters to this third isp from my other two accounts? Thanks! -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 For people who like peace and quiet: a phoneless cord. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Fastmail, IMAP TB
I know there have been complaints about TB's IMAP handling but, until now, this hasn't concerned me and the details have passed me by. However, I now have an IMAP enabled account (Fastmail) and have hit the buffers, I think. I want to filter the TBBETA messages I collect on this server to their own IMAP folder there (done -- that works OK) but I can't get TB to reflect the directory structure that's on the server. Presumably this is one of TB's current limitations in this area. -- Regards Clive Taylor Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Renaming Short-Cuts?
Hi Bats, We've had a blessed event - a new Toshiba laptop (and WinXP). Fortunately my partner who is also a TheBat! user got an identical machine 2 or 3 weeks earlier and so already knew how to transfer all the mail archives and whatnot over to the new machine. Anyway, this new piece of equipment, which is *almost* perfect, has an unfortunate keyboard. And one that isn't at all like my other machines. They've surely messed up the Alt keys. What I'd like to do is reassign the Alt-L function in TheBat! to be Ctrl-G. Can this be done? (simply?) Thank you hi Mary! M. Meister -- mm mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I love the Bat (...)
Hello Thomas, I'm not on TBOT. :-( Your loss! ;-) Maybe, but I am already on TBOT (Too Bany Other Lists :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TBUDL - this very list
Hello Mary, I hear another big trout swimming this direction. Darn! And I have run out of bait! ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TBUDL - this very list
Hello Mary, I hear you loud and clear, Miguel. And it is a joy to listen! It's nice to be able to send e-mail with a sound background, isn't it? Now all we need is HTML so can also send colour backgrounds ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Renaming Short-Cuts?
Hello mm, What I'd like to do is reassign the Alt-L function in TheBat! to be Ctrl-G. Can this be done? (simply?) View/Edit Shortcuts :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features
Hello Anne, I'm not afraid of it Miguel, I just don't want to use TB! in that way. But you don't have to. Just like now you don't have to create an account for my mailboxes on my ISPs. That is all the difference there would (should) be. When creating an account, having the possibility of creating it for a POP/SMTP server, like now, of for a NNTP one. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features
Hello Greg, It is either the fear of the unknown, or they relate to Outlook. I guess they never used VA. :-) Agree. Some people seem to think there is only Outlook and TB out there :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I love the Bat (...)
Hello Greg, Why don't you join. It is free. Then you could really see the BS fly! :-) As I have said in my reply to Thomas, I'm already on TBOT (Too Bany Other Lists) and newsgroups. What is the BS? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I want to clarify I few things here
Hello Greg, Other things I think would be a Kill a sub-thread. How many times have I received email on this list that goes off on a tangent that I'm not interested? Quite a few times. I don't think this functionality should only apply to a news reader. I'm trying to find some time to set up a web page explaining how my Kill/Ignore filter works :) How about manual re-threading. How many times have I received an email where the sender was actually starting a new topic in a reply message? Quite a few times. I don't think this functionality should only apply to a news reader. Or the reply not being threaded because the e-mail client used does not (or isn't configured to) include the In-Reply-To or References header? I will also explain how I do this now on the page mentioned above... when I have the time to do it. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Renaming Short-Cuts?
Hello Miguel, Sunday, January 19, 2003, 6:34:22 AM, you wrote: MAU Hello mm, What I'd like to do is reassign the Alt-L function in TheBat! to be Ctrl-G. Can this be done? (simply?) MAU View/Edit Shortcuts :) Yah. I was just there but cannot find reformat body or whatever they might call it, and I didn't see existing Alt+L assigned. I could be blind - here it early and maybe I've not had enough coffee :). -- Thanks, mmmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Renaming Short-Cuts?
On 19 January 2003, 10:58, mm Meister wrote: Anyway, this new piece of equipment, which is *almost* perfect, has an unfortunate keyboard. And one that isn't at all like my other machines. They've surely messed up the Alt keys. ~~~ Is this a quirk of Toshiba keyboards, or has your machine not got your preferred keyboard layout installed? If the latter, I suspect you'd be better off changing your keyboard definition to match your other machines. You can change it (on XP Pro) like this: Open the Control Panel and then the Regional and Language Options utility. Click the Languages tab and, in the Text services group, click Details. Check that you have the correct keyboard installed and selected in the Installed services group. You can add another language (and hence keyboard) definition by clicking Add in that group. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Pedestrian: A motorist who found a parking space Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Renaming Short-Cuts?
Hello mm, Yah. I was just there but cannot find reformat body or whatever they might call it, and I didn't see existing Alt+L assigned. I could be blind - here it early and maybe I've not had enough coffee :). I forgot to say. First open the Message Editor and, on the ME window, select View/Edit Shortcuts. Then, expand Main menu/Edit/Utilities/Format Block -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
NOT running slow anymore
Well, folks, the problem seems to be resolved. First off, thanks to you all for the constructive comments about the problem. I've traced it down to the settings in the virus scanner, not Zone Alarm. It seems the settings for Real Time Scanning were set to scan everything. This worked until an update occurred last week. That's when it seems things got slow, since Trend Micro tells me they got REAL agressive looking for a particular virus (SOBIG?). Since the file got scanned coming in, when it created the TMP file, and again when it got put in the message store, things got really slow. Especially since TM now scanned a several MB large file for each message it added. YIKES No wonder the thing was slow. Taking the suggestion, I have excluded the directory (BatMail) where my mail folders reside. Things are running quite well, thank you very much! :) With that said, I still require a personal firewall. My travels into the public internet have shown enough scans and attempted attacks to make it necessary when I'm not home. Please contact me off line with your recommendations. Also, would someone point me to the OT list? I can post the question there, as well. Once again, thanks to all for your input. Regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features
On Sunday, January 19, 2003, 12:32:25 PM, Allie Martin wrote: Development of TB! as a specialist e-mail client extraordinaire, slows in an effort to improve the news-reader component/plug-in. I agree with this, although I think that some news-reader features are common to those of a specialist email client, particularly in the handling of mailing lists. I am thinking of things like Ignore Thread, which I always found useful in Agent as a way of dealing with high volume groups and mailing lists. I know that this can currently be done using filters, but it is not easy. Julian -- Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Automatically insert text from an external file?
Hello Bats, I thought I had read a message in which someone wrote about automatically inserting text from an external, predefined text-file. I have searched the messages I still have, as well as on-line in the TBUDL-archive and I do not find it anymore. I suppose it was done with a REGEX. Have I been dreaming? -- Best Whishes, Mark using The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: How to filter mails with file attach
Hello Marck, Wednesday, January 8, 2003, 8:30:16 PM, you wrote: MDP No there isn't, but you can make use of the various plug-ins for MDP leading AV to detect and quarantine such messages automatically. Can these BAV's only be made for command line-driven programs? I'm a long time PC-Cillin user; no virus or worm ever made it through this wall. On the other hand, the free AVG-version running on the kid's computer managed to miss one or other ± 10 times, most likely because updating isn't exactly user-friendly and the girls rely on their father to clean up the mess after another virus has hit their computer. Well, it's not that big an issue. When opening an html-file (that came in through The Bat!) by clicking and thus using the browser, PC-cillin kills or quarantines the infected files as well... -- Best Whishes, Mark using The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automatically insert text from an external file?
Hello Mark Partous ! On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 14:04:36 +0100 GMT your local time, which was 19.01.2003, 14:04 (GMT+0100) where I live, you (Mark Partous) wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]:">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: I thought I had read a message in which someone wrote about automatically inserting text from an external, predefined text-file. Use %PUT=PATH_AND_FILENAME_TO_EXTERNAL_FILE in a Quick-Tenmplate. This might help. I have searched the messages I still have, as well as on-line in the TBUDL-archive and I do not find it anymore. I suppose it was done with a REGEX. Hmmm, if you want to extract part of the text in the external file, then you can do this with a regex. But this is not necessary if you only want to include the contents of a file. Have I been dreaming? Don't think so ;-)) -- Best regards, Gerd === Tutorial for using regular expressions with TheBat! www.regenechsen.de --- The scientist is a lover of truth for the very love of truth itself, wherever it may lead. Luther Burbank, American horticulturist (1849-1926) --- now playing: WDR2 :-) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: One a day e-list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Sue, @18-Jan-2003, 20:54 -0700 (03:54 UK time) Sue [S] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: It will send more than one because of capacity - it sends when it reaches a certain number of queued messages. My mistake. It actually sends out when the digest hits a specific size (or daily if it never gets that big). S Yahoo groups sends them out when they have 25 messages, or S once a day, whichever quota gets filled first. Maybe 25 messages S would be better here too? I have increased the size from 30kb to 50kb let's see if that's any better. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/4 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+KqvfOeQkq5KdzaARAsx2AJ0S+zOfD0w1yyM0uxhZBpHolQ9ZNACg78rG s7DP2OzZb6oPkUdYXvMgO94= =yi9O -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: How to filter mails with file attach
Hello all, Sunday, January 19, 2003, Mark Partous wrote: On the other hand, the free AVG-version running on the kid's computer managed to miss one or other ± 10 times, most likely because updating isn't exactly user-friendly and the girls rely on their father to clean up the mess after another virus has hit their computer. What do You mean by updating isn't exactly user-friendly? If You mean too big files with virus definitions, this will be solved in AVG7, which is under hard development nad will be released in february, as I know. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 1.63 Beta/4 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 AMD ThunderBird 1,2 GHz, 512 MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Automatically insert text from an external file?
Hello Gerd, Sunday, January 19, 2003, 2:29:19 PM, you wrote: GE Use %PUT=PATH_AND_FILENAME_TO_EXTERNAL_FILE in a Quick-Tenmplate. GE This might help. It allready works... Danke sehr! I did not find the %PUT macro in the list, though... I suppose this list (integrated in the program) does not include all macro's... -- Best Whishes, Mark using The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Transferring filters
Hallo John, On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 20:45:25 +1100GMT (19-1-03, 10:45 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: JP Is there any way of simply transferring all my existing filters to JP this third isp from my other two accounts? First you select the account with the most filters. ;-) Close TB Copy the file account.srx from the old account to the new account Start TB You'll see that the new account has the same filters as the old one Now you go to the sorting office of the other account Start an instance of a text editor (notepad, SmartBat, whatever) Select a filter, press Ctrl-C (not the copy-button, that's something else) Paste the selected filter into your text editor Do this for every filter you'd like to copy When you're done, select all filters in your text editor Copy them and paste them into the sorting office of the new account (This has to be done separately for incoming, outgoing, etc filters) Unfortunately the exporting can only be done one filter at the time, but the importing can be done all at once. That's the reason to use a text-editor as go-between, since it's easier to swap active windows than to copy a filter, close the sorting office, select other account, open sorting office, paste the filter, close sorting office, select the previous account, open the sorting office, sigh. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automatically insert text from an external file?
Hallo Mark, On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 14:50:26 +0100GMT (19-1-03, 14:50 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: MP I did not find the %PUT macro in the list, though... I suppose MP this list (integrated in the program) does not include all MP macro's... For a complete list of macros, look into the help file and search for 'Full alphabetic list of macros' -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Still Running Slow
Hello Michael, On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 13:55:48 -0600 GMT (19/01/03, 02:55 +0700 GMT), Michael Disabato wrote: I've been in this business over 30 years and am one of the people who selected Zone Alarm. I think I' fit for my job, thank you very much. I didn't mean to personally insult you, sorry. But I would like to know (on TBOT, otherwise fish will start flying over here) why you chose ZA over other solutions. Your experience may enlighten me as to why ZA is preferrable to the variety of other packet filters out there, or, since you are on corporate level, a firewall concept. Apparently, there is something I have missed. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. 31. 'Stewardesses' is the longest English word that is typed with only the left hand. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Stripping HTML files
Hey Greg, My MUA believes 'The_Bat! (v1.63 Beta/4) Personal' was used to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Saturday, January 18, 2003 at 10:01:07 PM. GS Apparently the wish list is the same as the Bugtracking system at GS https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/login_page.php. My question is the GS account the same as TBUDL or what? No, you have to create an account there for yourself. Check out the [ signup for a new account ] link at the bottom of the page g. -- Tim Musson Flying with The Bat! eMail v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows 2000 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 2) The days of the digital watch are numbered. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TBUDL - this very list
Hello Miguel, On Sunday, January 19, 2003, 5:25 AM, you wrote: MB I hear you loud and clear, Miguel. And it is a joy to listen! M It's nice to be able to send e-mail with a sound background, isn't it? M Now all we need is HTML so can also send colour backgrounds ;-) Now, Miguel! I was using a figure of speech. I am so text-oriented, that I do not even play music while on the computer. (I have a sister who runs classical CDs as she does genealogy. And a cousin who runs a movie in the corner of her screen while she works.) How they tolerate it, I have no idea. One task at a time is how my brain works. :) BTW (by the way :) ), I have The Bat! configured to open attachments in the message body. I get those horrid colored backgrounds. One newbie on Rootsweb's COMPUTERS-L,, in another English-speaking country, describing herself as a grandmother--like me--sent a query in lime-green font on yellow. It sat unanswered for several hours, so I sent a response. Back came a private thank you, pink font on deep rose red, with dancing roses and hearts--near about put my eyes out. Two pages long, also. If I had had my sound volume up, no doubt it would have disabled my ears, too! And she's obviously a very nice person, with no idea how what she did was affecting *me*. I configured The Bat! to show me HTML that way, because of the sisters and cousin whose messages come only as HTML attachments. I am so thankful to read your messages in plain text. Loud and clear was originally an Air Force expression, except it was read you loud and clear. Passed into common speech here in my country. It is hard to anticipate how idioms and cultural references may not be intelligible to others. I guess it's something similar to the almost automatic use of acronyms by tech-speakers. :) I will try to watch out about it better. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOT running slow anymore
Hey Michael, My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.62 Christmas Edition) Personal' was used to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sunday, January 19, 2003 at 7:44:18 AM. MD Also, would someone point me to the OT list? I can post the MD question there, as well. All that info is found by following the link the list adds after the message. See below. g HAND -- Tim Musson Flying with The Bat! eMail v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows 2000 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 2) Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOT running slow anymore
* Michael Disabato [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, folks, the problem seems to be resolved. Well done :-) With that said, I still require a personal firewall. No. My travels into the public internet have shown enough scans and attempted attacks to make it necessary when I'm not home. Who attacks your PC and how? What do you expect from your personal firewall? How could a personal firewall help? -- Best regards, Carsten Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple AB entries from filters
Hello Allie, On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 06:29:50 -0500 GMT (19/01/03, 18:29 +0700 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: DH As people seem to have a habit of changing their 'name' depending DH on their mood LOL! The same for e-mail addresses. I'm one of the guilty. No, I don't think you are causing a problem. ;-) The way I see it, AB and group templates don't work if the same email address is contained more than once in the AB. So, if you use different email addresses, no harm will be caused. However, new AB entries are are automatically created by filters based on the display name (according to Daniel, I haven't tested it) instead of the email address. So, different entries with the same email address are created. This causes problems. IMHO this discrepancy is a little bug. TB should use the *same* argument (and I vote for email address rather than display name) for creating new entries via the filtering system *and* when using templates. Just my 0.02 worth. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Neulich ist ein Statistiker gestorben. Er hinterlaesst eine Frau und zweieinhalb Kinder. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TBUDL - this very list
Hello Miguel, On Sunday, January 19, 2003, 5:19 AM, you wrote: MB I hear another big trout swimming this direction. M Darn! And I have run out of bait! ;-) Miguel is never out of bait! Or sense of humor. :) To mix the image, Miguel is like a delightful large Bat, swooping around and catching the noxious insects, making the entire surroundings nicer. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features
Hello Allie, But none seem to do both well when they support both. Isn't none too Black (or white)? Wouldn't a shade of gray like only some, or few or... ? ;-) snipped Just a thought. And a very valid one. But just as valid as mine if I think that TB developers are defocusing by devoting time and resources by improving RTV to show _plain_text_messages_ with *fake* pretty colours and fonts that the originator never intended, or by devoting time to a spam plugin API to enable a few to have fun developing spam filters when there are already very good anti-spam tools out there (it will be hard to neat POPFile) that can be seamlessly used by TB, or to allow the use of an alternate or external editor when TB's one is supposed to be the best, or to PGP8 (how many TB users use/need PGP and, of those, how many need PGP8), or to improving IMAP support, which I don't care about, and not to extended MAPI which would be more useful to me, or :-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I love the Bat (...)
Hello Miguel, On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 12:14:03 +0100 GMT (19/01/03, 18:14 +0700 GMT), Miguel A. Urech wrote: I'm not on TBOT. :-( Your loss! ;-) Maybe, but I am already on TBOT (Too Bany Other Lists :) I see. It is your choice then. There are still a lot of lists out there that I would be interested in, but time is limited, so everyone has to assign preferences and make choices. Such is life. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. It's paradoxical that the idea of living a long life appeals to everyone, but the idea of getting old doesn't appeal to anyone. -- Andy Rooney Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: FTP
Daniel, Friday, January 17, 2003, 5:44:54 PM, you wrote: DR TCP(Transport Connection Protocol). The initial specs of FTP dates Just to correct an extremely minor, OT error in the OT thread: TCP = Transmission Control Protocol d/ -- Dave mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Brandenburg InternetWorking http://www.brandenburg.com t +1.408.246.8253; f +1.408.850.1850 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: NOT running slow anymore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Carsten, Well, folks, the problem seems to be resolved. CT Well done :-) With that said, I still require a personal firewall. CT No. My travels into the public internet have shown enough scans and attempted attacks to make it necessary when I'm not home. Absolutely true... You can try Kerio Personal and get it http://www.kerio.com CT Who attacks your PC and how? I can easily attack your pc starting at this very moment... CT What do you expect from your personal firewall? Protection from stupidity, trojans, viruses, scans, enhanced privacy, etc... CT How could a personal firewall help? Remove the door to your house tonight and never put it back, then lie a fully loaded shotgun and all of your valuables at the entrance with a note attached To whom this may concern, please shoot me, or just take the money and the shotgun and go, I DON'T CARE!. You know you're personal preference about your own security is entirely an opinion and nothing more... You shouldn't influence any body's decision on security with ignorance... I know you knew that was coming too... - -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Keys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPirFWF3LB35+TCg0EQK/rQCfQD5PYXRFfh5HxuVac2D7q5m5AuYAnRrS zqPdbyeZcYOVBR0GVQNvBuNi =goDP -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TBUDL - this very list
Hello Mary, On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 08:54:15 -0600 GMT (19/01/03, 21:54 +0700 GMT), Mary Bull wrote: BTW (by the way :) ), I have The Bat! configured to open attachments in the message body. I get those horrid colored backgrounds. One newbie on Rootsweb's COMPUTERS-L,, in another English-speaking country, describing herself as a grandmother--like me--sent a query in lime-green font on yellow. It sat unanswered for several hours, so I sent a response. Back came a private thank you, pink font on deep rose red, with dancing roses and hearts--near about put my eyes out. Two pages long, also. ...and... If I had had my sound volume up, no doubt it would have disabled my ears, too! You have jsut made the best point against HTML email. And she's obviously a very nice person, with no idea how what she did was affecting *me*. That is the problem. You cannot just reply saying your message appearance was unbearable. Please resend in plain text. Better to not have HTML editors in email clients, so people don't try to make messages nice. ;-) The size ie download time ie cost to download issue might not apply to the people you are referring to, because all of you might have high-speed flat rates. So, one of my personal concerns against HTML, namely my wallet, won't apply to you guys. (- I am using the word guys in the non-gender-specific meaning you explain earlier.) I configured The Bat! to show me HTML that way, because of the sisters and cousin whose messages come only as HTML attachments. Hm. I receive HTML emails, but I have set HTML auto-view off. If I think I might be missing something, I can have a quick view by clicking on the text, but that is usually in vain. I am so thankful to read your messages in plain text. Loud and clear was originally an Air Force expression, except it was read you loud and clear. Doesn't that refer to intelligibility? Loud and clear = 5 by 5 = volume is 5 out of 5, and signal strength is 5 out of 5. To read means to to copy, which only means to hear, in the parlance. Applies not only to the Air Force, but any kind of two-way radio communication. I used to use CB radio (some 30 years ago), compared to which amateur radio is professional; so I may be mistaken. Passed into common speech here in my country. It is hard to anticipate how idioms and cultural references may not be intelligible to others. Can you use the expression Read my lips! in email correspondence? Or is it out of fashion anyway? Gosh, are we OT with the last two issues. I'd better copy this to TBOT for any continuance of this thread. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I wonder how much deeper would the ocean be without sponges. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: FTP
Hello Dave, Sunday, January 19, 2003, 12:00:53 AM, you wrote: Daniel, Friday, January 17, 2003, 5:44:54 PM, you wrote: DR TCP(Transport Connection Protocol). The initial specs of FTP dates Just to correct an extremely minor, OT error in the OT thread: TCP = Transmission Control Protocol Thanks for correcting me. I didn't notice it. -- Best regards, Daniel Rail Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOT running slow anymore
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In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Victor B. Gonzalez [VBG] wrote:'
VBG You know you're personal preference about your own security
VBG is entirely an opinion and nothing more... You shouldn't
VBG influence any body's decision on security with ignorance...
VBG I know you knew that was coming too...
moderator
Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not
just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have
instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Victor.
This thread is currently veering off-topic. It's now dealing with
computer security as it relates to the use of a personal firewall.
This has nothing to do with TB! or e-mail.
I ask that any further discussion on this be taken off-list or to
TBOT.
Thanks.
/moderator
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Re: Multiple AB entries from filters
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In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Thomas Fernandez [TF] wrote:'
TF However, new AB entries are are automatically created by filters
TF based on the display name (according to Daniel, I haven't tested
TF it) instead of the email address. So, different entries with the
TF same email address are created. This causes problems.
Hmmm. It's possible that two people could be using the same address,
for example, a support address or something similar. Being able to
define each person separately is an advantage and should be considered
a feature.
However, I do admit that the problems it creates may very well
outweigh the advantage. I wonder if the solution is to do away with
it. Perhaps something should be done about the filtering to address
this issue (a switch to not add addresses when entries already contain
the address to be added).
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Re[2]: Renaming Short-Cuts?
Hello Miguel, Sunday, January 19, 2003, 7:01:46 AM, you wrote: MAU Hello mm, Yah. I was just there but cannot find reformat body or whatever they might call it, and I didn't see existing Alt+L assigned. I could be blind - here it early and maybe I've not had enough coffee :). MAU I forgot to say. First open the Message Editor and, on the ME window, MAU select View/Edit Shortcuts. MAU Then, expand Main menu/Edit/Utilities/Format Block Thank you, Miguel. I never would have found it under utilities, moreover, I never considered Alt+L as being more Left Justify rather than reformat block in the old Wordstar parlance - like Ctrl+B used to be. But now there's a problem with reassigning these keystrokes. They are grayed out and do not permit changing. Oh well, it's never easy. Thank you for the help! -- mmmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Still Running Slow
Greg, *** === *** === *** === *** === *** === *** === *** === *** Saturday, January 18, 2003, 8:42:52 PM, you wrote: GS Hello Mike, GS On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, at 02:27:11 GMT + (1/18/2003, 8:27 PM -0500 GMT GS here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've heard of several other conflicts on NTFS systems which have been down to ZA and not just problems with TB. GS Well now that you mention it I was using NTFS. I'm running XP Pro with NTFS on 3 partitions and FAT32 on one, but NOT running ZA. No problems at all, or rather...no problems related to TB! ;) I use AVG by Grisoft and Tiny Personal Firewall. -- Scott Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Renaming Short-Cuts?
Hello Geoff, Sunday, January 19, 2003, 6:45:40 AM, you wrote: GL On 19 January 2003, 10:58, mm Meister wrote: Anyway, this new piece of equipment, which is *almost* perfect, has an unfortunate keyboard. And one that isn't at all like my other machines. They've surely messed up the Alt keys. GL ~~~ GL Is this a quirk of Toshiba keyboards, or has your machine not got your GL preferred keyboard layout installed? If the latter, I suspect you'd be GL better off changing your keyboard definition to match your other GL machines. You can change it (on XP Pro) like this: Actually, I think it is the quirk part. The keyboard isn't symmetrical the tilde is to the left of the space bar - the Ins and Del keys are on the other side of the space bar - Win key up in the right - in other words, a mishmash. If I could reassign those keys and move the key caps around. Is that actually possible? Maybe easier than trying to change the various programs... Looks to me like it was change for change's sake or some new bright light at Toshiba trying to make his/her mark... A big bonus of the new machine is that TheBat! now longer slows down and I can run both the Flying Bat as well as the ticker. So, what's a keyboard? If it gets to be too much of a pain, I'll just plug an external one in and be done with it. Thanks very much for your help. -- mmmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Renaming Short-Cuts?
Hello mm, But now there's a problem with reassigning these keystrokes. They are grayed out and do not permit changing. Not grayed out here, I can re-assign them without problem. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features
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In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Miguel A. Urech [MAU] wrote:'
MAU Isn't none too Black (or white)? Wouldn't a shade of gray like
MAU only some, or few or... ? ;-)
Can you think of one that does both well? :)
I think you'd have to go looking in the Linux/UNIX direction at apps
like Mutt and eMacs. However, those are long standing, well supported
OSS efforts, and can't be compared to private ventures as TB! with a
small development staff behind it.
MAU And a very valid one. But just as valid as mine if I think that
MAU TB developers are defocusing by devoting time and resources by
MAU improving RTV to show _plain_text_messages_ with *fake* pretty
MAU colours and fonts that the originator never intended,
I disagree. It helps me and many others to differentiate between
quoted and new text, thus making readability a lot better. Control is
conferred on me the reader when doing this. With HTML, it's you, the
sender, who determines the fonts and backgrounds I read your mail with
(a terrible thing). These issues are all about e-mail and reading
them, so efforts made to improve on this is definitely not defocusing
on the part of TB! development.
Your point about it not being the way the author intended it is a weak
one. I'm writing this using the monospaced font Pragmata, size 12. I
don't expect you to use the same font or font size.
MAU or by devoting time to a spam plugin API to enable a few to have
MAU fun developing spam filters when there are already very good
MAU anti-spam tools out there
I agree with this one, even though spam filtering has everything to do
with e-mail.
MAU [...] or to allow the use of an alternate or external editor when
MAU TB's one is supposed to be the best,
;) This is again very relevant to e-mail. Trying to develop the apps
so that as many users as possible can comfortably compose their
messages is not defocusing. Developing a newsreader plug-in for TB!
is. It has nothing to do with e-mail. It does have to do with
marketing and the decision seems to have been made in the newsreader
plugins favour so...
MAU or to PGP8 (how many TB users use/need PGP and, of those, how
MAU many need PGP8), or to improving IMAP support, which I don't care
MAU about, and not to extended MAPI which would be more useful to me,
MAU or :-)
All these things are relevant to e-mail . TB! *is* an e-mail
client.
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Desktop firewalls (was: NOT running slow anymore)
* Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello Carsten, [ personal firewalls ] Who attacks your PC and how? I can easily attack your pc starting at this very moment... Please attack me, Victor. Try it as hard as you can. And please explain us how a personal firewall could prevent me from being attacked by you. And, how are you going to attack me? Did it work? What do you expect from your personal firewall? Protection from stupidity, What do you mean with stupidity? An example? trojans, A trojan horse is a program that *you* install on your computer. If such a trojan horse runs on your system you have lost. Period. A trojan horse could deactivate a personal firewall (especially under Win9x operation systems, or under a WinNT when you are logged in as admin), manipulate files, ... A personal firewall can *not* protect you from installing a trojan horse. I would recommend to be more careful with installing strange tools. viruses, a virus is a program that *you* install on your computer. A personal firewall can not stop you from executing strange attachments. Just one example: trojan horses could easily communicate through the firewall by starting IE with an Url like http://www.someserver.tld/bla?a=secret_information_from_victors_pc... This is the way Realplayer tunnels through firewalls. scans, do you mean portscans. I don't see any problem in being portscanned. That's the internet :-) enhanced privacy, I don't see how. An example? etc... Sorry, Victor, could you explain that in a more, erm, technical way? How could a personal firewall help? Remove the door to your house tonight and never put it back, then lie a fully loaded shotgun and all of your valuables at the entrance with a note attached To whom this may concern, please shoot me, or just take the money and the shotgun and go, I DON'T CARE!. Funny, but FUD. You know you're personal preference about your own security is entirely an opinion and nothing more... You shouldn't influence any body's decision on security with ignorance... Victor, no, no and no. I am not influencing anyone. I am asking you again: please describe a case in which a personal firewall protects you from being hacked. a) Don't offer any services if you don't really need them. So there will be no open ports. b) Always install the latest security patches for your software. c) Don't install software that you don't trust a 100 per cent. d) Don't use IE, OE. e) ... -- Best regards, Carsten Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Still Running Slow
Saturday, January 18, 2003, 8:27:11 PM, Mike Alexander wrote: There seems to be a particular problem with ZA and OSs using the NTFS filing system. I.e. ZA will work fine on the older consumer (DOS based) OSs but causes problems when you're running 2K or XP. I've heard of several other conflicts on NTFS systems which have been down to ZA and not just problems with TB. I just wanted to mention that I am running ZA Pro 3.x on my Win2K system, along with Norton Anti-virus, and haven't experienced *any* problems using TB or any other programs. Keeping fingers crossed. -- Chris Montgomery Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Renaming Short-Cuts?
Hello mm Meister, On or about Sunday, January 19, 2003 at 11:31:15GMT -0500 (which was 11:31 AM in the tropics where I live) mm Meister inquired: mM But now there's a problem with reassigning these keystrokes. mM They are grayed out and do not permit changing. CTRL-G is already assigned to 'flag selected message' in the message folder view. Not sure if it can be re-assigned. Outside 'Bat!' circles it is used to send the BELL command in a terminal session, and opens cash drawers in Point-of-Sale applications. -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike Money couldn't buy you friends, but you get a better class of enemy. - Spike Milligan -- /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML Mail \ / If it aint a webpage it shouldn't be HTML. XSay NO! to bloatmail - ban HTML mail! / \ Ask Spikey, he hates everything (HTML). -- Flying in the stratosphere with The Bat! V1.61 on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 -- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TBUDL - this very list
Greg, *** === *** === *** === *** === *** === *** === *** === *** Saturday, January 18, 2003, 2:58:17 PM, you wrote: GS Hello Mary, W QED. GS When you need to find the meaning to a certain acronym, I think you will GS find this a helpful link. GS http://www.acronymfinder.com/ Ok...tried the site and it's clear as mud. Did you mean Quickly Ends Dandruff or Queen Elizabeth Drive ;) -- Scott Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Transferring filters
Hi Roelof, On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, at 15:04:55 [GMT +0100] (which was 01:04 where I live) you wrote: First you select the account with the most filters. ;-) Close TB etc. Thanks for the help! -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 A living example of Artificial Intelligence. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tmp files
Spike, *** === *** === *** === *** === *** === *** === *** === *** Tuesday, January 14, 2003, 10:27:30 AM, you wrote: S Hello fellow tbudl'ers, S I have been exploring my drive for wasted file space and have S discovered 324 files in; S C:\WINDOWS\TEMP S The files are MOSTLY '0-byte' empty files, but there are 14 that S are between 21 and 45MB each, with the filenames such as S batA144.tmp. What are these files and are they related to TB! or S not? Can they be deleted safely? The dates on them are all within S the range of time since I installed TB!, and seem to coincide S with dates that I may have upgraded versions, but I'm not S positive about that aspect. None are newer (creation date) than S May 2002. Viewing the smaller ones in Ultra-Edit reveals they S containg email addresses, subject lines and what appear to be S message ID's. S Comments? Suggestions? These files represent almost half a GB S of space being used (wasted?). I run my mailer on a laptop so S that wherever I go I have ALL my messages, and I need to free S some space on the system. Check the info and files available at this site... http://www.langa.com/cleanup_bat.htm It has a variety of files for this exact purpose, based on strength and complexity. Documentation is included for modification of the batch files to run properly on your system. -- Scott Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
My TB can now manually re-thread messages :)
Hello all, Yes, what the subject says is true. Take a look at: http://perso.wanadoo.es/murech/TB/re-thread.htm Now, please don't send PM (private mail) about this. If you are interested in this option, please show it here. And, if there is enough interest and the moderators don't think it is OT, I will give as much detail as needed here. (Sorry, I'm not on TBOT). -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: My TB can now manually re-thread messages :)
Hello, ... I will give as much detail as needed here. (Sorry, I'm not on TBOT). Or in TBTECH, if deemed more appropriate. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: My TB can now manually re-thread messages :)
Hello Miguel A. Urech ! On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 19:25:24 +0100 GMT your local time, which was 19.01.2003, 19:25 (GMT+0100) where I live, you (Miguel Urech) wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]:">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Now, please don't send PM (private mail) about this. If you are interested in this option, please show it here. *show* :- Me, I'm interested. And, if there is enough interest and the moderators don't think it is OT, I will give as much detail as needed here. (Sorry, I'm not on TBOT). Could you say more about it? Either here or in TBTECH? -- Best regards, Gerd === Tutorial for using regular expressions with TheBat! www.regenechsen.de --- You cannot run with the hare and hunt with the hounds. --- now playing: WDR2 :-) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: My TB can now manually re-thread messages :)
Hello Miguel, On Sunday, 19. January 2003, at 19:25:24 [GMT +0100] you wrote: Yes, what the subject says is true. Take a look at: http://perso.wanadoo.es/murech/TB/re-thread.htm Indeed! Now, please don't send PM (private mail) about this. If you are interested in this option, please show it here. And, if there is enough interest and the moderators don't think it is OT, I will give as much detail as needed here. (Sorry, I'm not on TBOT). Also interested...show and tell more, please! -- Ciao Thomas Mailer: TheBat! 1.63 Beta/4 OS: Windows XP Service Pack 1 PGP:PGP 6.58ckt Build 08 | Key: 0xABBB7287 HP: http://thebat.ist-super.de/ Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: One a day e-list
I'm quite happy with the current frequency of the digests. I am not. Once a day would be fine if I simply wanted to lurk, but responding to anything after the messages have been accumulating for 24 hours Then you should get all messages real-time. would just be unmanageable. What I'm finding unmanageable is the amount of daily traffic coming through. It's so bad that I'm afraid I'll have to drop the subscription. This is the only way I can control the traffic flow on my account because Bat has no digest format. The 'digest' it has now is nothing of the kind. It's bad enough this way with crossed messages. I would suggest just reading the web archives if anyone finds the digest frequency too hard to deal with. I would suggest doing it like every other mailing list on the planet and give people a choice in how they wish to receive it. Unsubscribing now, Mark Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Renaming Short-Cuts?
Hello mm, Sunday, January 19, 2003, 1:10:58 PM, you wrote: mM Hello Geoff, mM Sunday, January 19, 2003, 6:45:40 AM, you wrote: GL On 19 January 2003, 10:58, mm Meister wrote: GL Is this a quirk of Toshiba keyboards, or has your machine not got your GL preferred keyboard layout installed? If the latter, I suspect you'd be GL better off changing your keyboard definition to match your other GL machines. You can change it (on XP Pro) like this: mM Actually, I think it is the quirk part. The keyboard isn't symmetrical mM the tilde is to the left of the space bar - the Ins and Del keys are mM on the other side of the space bar - Win key up in the right - in mM other words, a mishmash. If I could reassign those keys and move the mM key caps around. Is that actually possible? Maybe easier than mM trying to change the various programs... Yes. There was some program PCMAG produced for this. Can't recall the name at the moment, but I used it when I used Windows 98. I think generally you are supposed to be able to change your keyboard, by a file, as Geoff said. But before I found any software, there didn't seem to be any way to change the keyboard just from Windows itself. Perhaps is this any different with Windows XP and their ilk? -- Best regards, Adam Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I want to clarify I few things here
Hello Miguel, On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, at 12:33:01 GMT +0100 (1/19/2003, 5:33 AM -0500 GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm trying to find some time to set up a web page explaining how my Kill/Ignore filter works :) Great! How about manual re-threading. How many times have I received an email where the sender was actually starting a new topic in a reply message? Quite a few times. I don't think this functionality should only apply to a news reader. Or the reply not being threaded because the e-mail client used does not (or isn't configured to) include the In-Reply-To or References header? I did NOT think of this, but now that you mention it. I have some lists where a very large number of users are using clients or posting from the web that these headers do NOT exist. In these cases it better to thread by subject. I will also explain how I do this now on the page mentioned above... when I have the time to do it. Great -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.63 Beta/4 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: My TB can now manually re-thread messages :)
Sun, 19 Jan 2003 19:25:24 [GMT +0100] (1:25 PM EST here) Miguel A. Urech wrote: Hello all, Yes, what the subject says is true. Take a look at: http://perso.wanadoo.es/murech/TB/re-thread.htm Now, please don't send PM (private mail) about this. If you are interested in this option, please show it here. And, if there is enough interest and the moderators don't think it is OT, I will give as much detail as needed here. (Sorry, I'm not on TBOT). I'm interested. Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 95 4.0 Build a -- Daniel A. Grunberg Kensington, Maryland, USA homepage: www.nyx.net/~dgrunber/ Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: My TB can now manually re-thread messages :)
Hi Miguel On 19 Jan 2003 19:25:24 , Miguel A. Urech wrote: MAU If you are interested in this option, please show it here. I'm very interested, but please with a beginnerstyle powerpro-manual for this :-) -- Der Immer Jodelende Schweizer In Lederhosen Roel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Zum Antworten bitte Lederhosen entfernen Life's unfair - but root password helps! Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: My TB can now manually re-thread messages :)
Hello Miguel, On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, at 19:58:16 GMT +0100 (1/19/2003, 12:58 PM -0500 GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Or in TBTECH, if deemed more appropriate. What is the problem with TBUDL? Isn't TB subject here which qualifies for TBUDL? Doesn't really matter to me TBUDL, TBTECH, or TBOT. Since Miguel is not member of TBOT why not continue on TBUDL unless moderators speak otherwise. -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.63 Beta/4 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: My TB can now manually re-thread messages :)
Hello Greg, and Miguel, On Sunday, January 19, 2003, 3:40 PM, you wrote: Or in TBTECH, if deemed more appropriate. G What is the problem with TBUDL? Isn't TB subject here which qualifies G for TBUDL? Doesn't really matter to me TBUDL, TBTECH, or TBOT. Yes, I'm subscribed to all three. But, like Roel in a previous post this afternoon, I would like it beginner style. So could we continue this way on TBUDL? G Since Miguel is not member of TBOT why not continue on TBUDL unless G moderators speak otherwise. Unless the moderators speak otherwise, of course. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Desktop firewalls (was: NOT running slow anymore)
Hallo Carsten, On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 17:47:24 +0100GMT (19-1-03, 17:47 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: CT Victor, no, no and no. I am not influencing anyone. I am asking CT you again: please describe a case in which a personal firewall CT protects you from being hacked. It might be more a legal issue than something else. In the Netherlands it's not illegal to hack somebody's computer when he hasn't taken any precautions. That's about the same as: There's no gate, how is he to know he's not allowed to enter. However, when there's a firewall to be worked around the issue is the other way around. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Desktop firewalls (was: NOT running slow anymore)
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Re: My TB can now manually re-thread messages :)
Hello Mary, On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, at 15:48:39 GMT -0600 (1/19/2003, 3:48 PM -0500 GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes, I'm subscribed to all three. Good for you. You will learn more this way. But, like Roel in a previous post this afternoon, I would like it beginner style. So could we continue this way on TBUDL? Sounds good to me. G Since Miguel is not member of TBOT why not continue on TBUDL unless G moderators speak otherwise. Unless the moderators speak otherwise, of course. Agree. -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.63 Beta/4 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple AB entries from filters
Hello Allie, On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 11:28:20 -0500 GMT (19/01/03, 23:28 +0700 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: However, I do admit that the problems it creates may very well outweigh the advantage. I wonder if the solution is to do away with it. Perhaps something should be done about the filtering to address this issue (a switch to not add addresses when entries already contain the address to be added). Another option... but yes, that could be the solution. But please also check this out: Now, the filtering system says under the Advanced tab: Address(es) must be listed in the addressbook. It clearly says *adress* and not *display name*. I would have believed that (namely the address rather than the duisplay name) is what the filter is looking for. Just because it says so. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [list_b] Re: Renaming Short-Cuts?
Yes. There was some program PCMAG produced for this. Can't recall the name at the moment, but I used it when I used Windows 98. TradeKeys (PCMag) http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,770479,00.asp This issue's utility gives you the keyboard of your dreams. TradeKeys 2 lets you map your keyboard almost any way you want. Under Windows 95, 98, and Me, you can change, swap, or disable any of the standard keys (those that existed on the original 84-key keyboard layout). Under Windows 2000 and XP, you can also remap extended keys such as Right Ctrl and Right Alt, the Windows logo key, and the navigation cluster. You can save your mappings to a file for reloading later. This lets different users on a system switch quickly between different mappings. TradeKeys 2 is an update of our earlier keyboard mapping utility, ZDKeyMap. In addition to supporting NT-based operating systems, this new version offers an improved interface. We provide the Microsoft Visual C source code for TradeKeys with the utility for those interested in seeing how the program works. Note that PC Magazine programs are copyrighted and cannot be distributed, whether modified or unmodified. Use is subject to the terms and conditions of the license agreement distributed with the programs. Regards ... Alec -- Original Message From: Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mm Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: TBOT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 15:23 Subject: [list_b] Re: Renaming Short-Cuts? Hello mm, Sunday, January 19, 2003, 1:10:58 PM, you wrote: mM Hello Geoff, mM Sunday, January 19, 2003, 6:45:40 AM, you wrote: On 19 January 2003, 10:58, mm Meister wrote: Is this a quirk of Toshiba keyboards, or has your machine not got your preferred keyboard layout installed? If the latter, I suspect you'd be better off changing your keyboard definition to match your other machines. You can change it (on XP Pro) like this: mM Actually, I think it is the quirk part. The keyboard isn't symmetrical mM the tilde is to the left of the space bar - the Ins and Del keys are mM on the other side of the space bar - Win key up in the right - in mM other words, a mishmash. If I could reassign those keys and move the mM key caps around. Is that actually possible? Maybe easier than mM trying to change the various programs... I think generally you are supposed to be able to change your keyboard, by a file, as Geoff said. But before I found any software, there didn't seem to be any way to change the keyboard just from Windows itself. Perhaps is this any different with Windows XP and their ilk? Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
