Re[2]: something wrong with thebat tech mailing list?
Hello Marck, MDP That question in particular is probably better suited to TBBETA. (he MDP said, cryptically). Thx, will try there first. -- Rgds, Wilfried http://www.mestdagh.biz Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: some threads not sorted as threads
Hello Vishal, V That doesn't seem right. I've often deleted the root message only to see many V properly threaded replies the next day. It's only since I installed v2 that this V is happening. Whell I never had it before eather. On some mailing list I only keep messages for 1 day. I upgraded to v2 few days ago and just now I see that. Could be coincidence ? -- Rgds, Wilfried http://www.mestdagh.biz Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: zonealarm and automatic mail checks - works for anyone?
On Wednesday, September 10, 2003, 5:40:47 AM, Vishal wrote: Ok, great. I just automatic mail checking with NO firewall installed and it still doesn't work. I'm using the eval version of 2.0.0.6. It looks like ZA wasn't to blame after all. What could be wrong? Is it something to do with the settings under Options|Network and Administration. In particular, perhaps there is a problem with the Mail Checking settings here. Try various combinations of these. As I am using an DSL connection via a router, I am using the Network Connection option, so the options are greyed out. Julian -- Using The Bat! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: zonealarm and automatic mail checks - works for anyone?
On Wednesday, September 10, 2003, 4:50:29 AM, Vishal wrote: Not yet. I'm aware of it though and someone else just brought it to my attention as well. I'll definitely keep it in mind if I can't get BlackICE to work. Thanks. I used BlackIce for a number of years, before finally ditching it in favour of Outpost. I found that there were a few problems with the processes in BlackIce that disrupted my day to day work. Application protection scanning was slow, and had a modal dialogue box that would sit on top of the screen whilst scanning and could not be dismissed. Very frustrating. Outpost v2 Pro has been excellent so far. Julian -- Using The Bat! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Hello Marck, Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 3:11:20 PM, you wrote: MDP HTML was *never* developed or intended for use as a formatting MDP system for email. It is a presentation system for served pages, MDP intended for transmission with the HyperText Transfer Protocol MDP (HTTP, yes?). Mail is simple text intended for transmission with the MDP Simple Mail Transfer Protocol (SMTP, yes?). The fusion of the two MDP has led to over-use of bandwidth, bad taste and imposition on the MDP recipient, whose choice it *should* be! You're turning things around here. With all communications, the presentation and formatting lies with the originator. This is true for newspapers, slide show presentations, snail mail letters, email, etc.. With the introduction of HTML, the contents and its presentation were separated and it became possible for the recipient to have control over the presentation. The use of tags like body, h1, h2 leave it completely open on how to display the text. So, I would agree with the bandwidth issue but if you want recipient choice, then HTML is the better way. Concerning bad taste, people can write horribly in plain ASCII too. Frank -- Best regards, FJ de Bruin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Odd mini Bat2 Bug with window minimisation
G'day Anne, On Tue, 09 Sep 2003, at 19:20:43 [GMT +0100] (04:20 here) you wrote: A Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 6:51:56 PM, Mark wrote: M The standard windows keyboard shortcut for minimising all open M windows in Winkey-M. All programs I have except the Bat main M window respond to this. Open messages in separate windows do M respond. Irritates me a bit. A Mine will minimize with Winkey+M but I can't get it to restore to full A screen afterwards :-( Winkey+SHIFT+M should restore all windows that were minimized -- znark The Bat! 2.00 Windows XP - Service Pack 1 POPFile 0.19.1 PGP 6.5.8ckt - Build 08 The winds and the waves are always on the side of the ablest navigators. -- Edward Gibbon Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: some threads not sorted as threads
Hallo Wilfried, On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:10:31 +0200GMT (10-9-03, 9:10 +0200, where I live), you wrote: WM Whell I never had it before eather. On some mailing list I only WM keep messages for 1 day. I upgraded to v2 few days ago and just WM now I see that. Could be coincidence ? I suppose it's a coincidence. Threads are being shown as full threads as long as there aren't any branches split from their common root. The ZoneAlarm thread you were mentioning had lots of separate branches that kept going on. On such a thread it's more likely that you're deleting common roots than on a thread maintained by two correspondents. I don't see any difference in threading between TB2 and TB1. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Where did the subject go in these messages?
Hallo Dave, On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 19:57:38 -0500GMT (10-9-03, 2:57 +0200, where I live), you wrote: DG I've been noticing a strange thing recently. It probably started DG sometime within the last couple of betas and is now happening on DG v2 as well. All emails from Allie Martin and a couple of others DG (Stuart Hemming and Chema Berian, perhaps others as well) appear DG in my message list with no subject, and the body of the message DG includes part of the kludges even though I have not DG ctrl-shft-k'd. See an example: I've checked your example messages and over here they appear correct. Could you check where your POPFile places it's headers? Because it looks like something is placing an empty line somewhere between your headers. That would cause TB to think that that's where the message body starts. Are the failing mails always from the same persons? I couldn't help noticing that Allie, Stuart and Chema all have a X-Spam-Processed: header in their kludges. I suppose that is what makes your POPFile (or whatever you're using as extras) puke. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tuesday, September 09, 2003 4:23:19 PM (GMT -05:00) RE: HTML as default on v2.00 ...? Greetings David, On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 2:54:05 PM, you wrote: TF Your choice is costing me money. D And exactly how much extra is it costing you? David I regret the tone of my reply (D) above. Certainly in some parts of David the world this may be a very real issue. I wanted to defend myself David against TF who seemed to be accusing me of costing him money, which I David am not. David My point was that one should look at the facts, and discern the best David course of action to take based on those facts, rather than evoking David arguments to rationalise one's prejudicial viewpoint. Sorry for the excessive quoting moderators but Thomas is right. It depends solely on how you pay for your connection. Some broadband (cable and DSL) providers, here in the U.S., have gone to a tiered system where so much over MB or GB per month incur a cost above and beyond the monthly charge. Also a business or individual running a T1, T2 or T3 line pay a monthly charge on line cost and further pay a bandwidth charge. With hundreds of HTML formatted e-mail messages arriving monthly this builds up in in cost. Thomas is absolutely correct as you have no clue what the receiver is running for a connection and what they pay for such a connection. Sorry. Anyway ... - -- Regards, DG Raftery Sr. I.R.S.: We've got what it takes to take what you've got! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 9.0b1 Comment: KeyID: 0xECFE3F95 Comment: Fingerprint: 8ABE 6728 1CB9 E231 B2C8 C29D BC22 D3D1 ECFE 3F95 iQA/AwUBP145V7wi09Hs/j+VEQImOwCeJlyKKpYjbK4K2V5hWX4ekkKWeUYAn1PJ jEoPN8dwz+t06xeDSxJ5K54R =lzTI -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Where did the subject go in these messages?
Hello Roelof, On Sep, 10, 12:22:47, you wrote to Dave: RO Are the failing mails always from the same persons? I couldn't RO help noticing that Allie, Stuart and Chema all have a RO X-Spam-Processed: header in their kludges. First header in image was X-AV-Processed: which is inserted by my server just below the X-Spam-Processed: (I can confirm it does without a blank line). RO I suppose that is what makes your POPFile (or whatever you're RO using as extras) puke. I suppose it too. -- Chema Berian (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Moderator, Spanish The Bat! User Discussion List (GDUTB) More info Here: http://www.gdutb.org Using SecureBat! 1.62s on Windows XP Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Odd mini Bat2 Bug with window minimisation
Hello Mark, Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 6:51:56 PM, you wrote: M Dear Bats M Here is an odd bug. Can anyone verify. M I have the bat set to minimise to the taskbar (rather than the M system tray) although I doubt this makes a difference. M The standard windows keyboard shortcut for minimising all open M windows in Winkey-M. All programs I have except the Bat main M window respond to this. Open messages in separate windows do M respond. Irritates me a bit. Same on mine, if I have 'Do not display program icon on task bar' selected in options it will not minimise. Otherwise it seems to work OK. -- Best regards, Mark mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TB! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: some threads not sorted as threads
On Wednesday, September 10, 2003, 10:56:44 AM, Roelof Otten wrote: I suppose it's a coincidence. Threads are being shown as full threads as long as there aren't any branches split from their common root. The ZoneAlarm thread you were mentioning had lots of separate branches that kept going on. On such a thread it's more likely that you're deleting common roots than on a thread maintained by two correspondents. I checked the references on the broken threads that I have, and found that I no longer had the messages with the MID: in my message base, because they had purged. As I use a maximum limit of 200 messages for deletion purposes, and the list has been generating lots of traffic recently, I have had lots of broken threads because the earlier messages in threads are being lost. I have not (yet) seen any examples of TB! breaking threads that have references to messages that have not been deleted. YMMV, of course! Julian -- Using The Bat! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Where did the subject go in these messages?
Hallo Chema, On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:40:49 +0200GMT (10-9-03, 12:40 +0200, where I live), you wrote: CB First header in image was X-AV-Processed: which is inserted by my CB server just below the X-Spam-Processed: So I noticed, but failed to mention. ;-) CB (I can confirm it does without a blank line). I know, because it didn't have a blank line on my my copy. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB 2.00.6 not indicating new mail in folders
Hello list, I am experiencing some problems with TB. It no longer shows that there is new e-mail. The account icon shows empty, the folder name is not printed in bold, the message ticker remains quiet. Only when I click on the folder that I know has new e-mail in it, TB wakes up and puts out all the a.m. signals. Strangely enough, this is the case for only one of my 7 accounts. The others seem to work okay. What could cause this? Frank -- Best regards, Frank de Bruin Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Start up: The Bat balks
Hello, Kim: Monday, September 8, 2003, 6:39:01 PM, you wrote: K I haven't seen a repeat of the problem yet, but I plan on trying your K workaround, if it happens. I also have always had the habit of making K regular backups, but considering the previous problem, I make those K backups even more often now. One of my fundamentals here is to keep that Inbox as close to empty as possible. I've found it to be more vulnerable than other folders if anything goes wrong, say, in the process of an upgrade. K Have you tried the trial version of The Bat version 2 yet? I can't K blame you for not wanting to upgrade if you have problems with the K current version, as I did. However, an upgrade may solve the problem K as well. I did read that some people who tried out the trial and chose K not to upgrade were able to revert back to the older version. I've not K tried that, so I don't know how well it works. I've become very cautious about upgrades (as opposed to simple patches) but one day I suppose I will too. K Also, what is the exact message you're getting when The Bat won't K start? Usually, just A call to an OS function failed. Sometimes, none at all. But that is rare know. Oh, I also get a horn sound each time The Bat starts. K When it happened to me, I didn't get a message at all. I just K K got a small flash, as if the splash screen was trying to appear, K then nothing. K Yes, that too. K Uninstalling and reinstalling was the only way I was able to K fix it, however, I did notice one post on The Bat forum which K mentioned that someone else was also experiencing the no start K problem, but with version 2. Not sure how many others have experienced K it. K Another thought... Did you try resetting your default e-mail program K settings in Internet Explorer? Go to Tools, Internet Options, then to K the Programs tab. Choose something other than The Options, then to K Bat on the drop-down K box (like Outlook Options, then to K Express), click Apply, then go back up and choose Options, then to K K The Bat and click Apply again. OK, thanks, I'll try that Out and Back-In strategy. K I know this worked with one of my old K e-mail programs having problems a year or so ago, but I don't know if K it'll help to solve this problem. Worth a try anyway. K As for me, I *hope* the problem doesn't come back. :) I've found some kind of way to get it started. But that's one more hit on productivity around here. Still, I guess I'll be loyal to The Bat and enjoying being part of this kindly Bat family. Best wishes, David Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Hello DG Raftery Sr., As you may have read a few days ago in a thread with subject My new 20 lines filter, you better start your text before line 20 or I will not read any of your messages (provided you care at all if I read them or not) ;-) -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tuesday, September 09, 2003 4:23:19 PM (GMT -05:00) RE: HTML as default on v2.00 ...? Greetings David, On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 2:54:05 PM, you wrote: TF Your choice is costing me money. D And exactly how much extra is it costing you? David I regret the tone of my reply (D) above. Certainly in some parts of David the world this may be a very real issue. I wanted to defend myself David against TF who seemed to be accusing me of costing him money, which I David am not. Note to moderators: Top-posting done on purpose so my own message would comply with my 20 lines filter after quoting first 20 lines of DG's message :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: WARNING(virus check bypassed): Re[2]: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........? -- anyone else seeing this 'WARNING' prefix?
Hallo Pixie, On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 06:56:57 -0400GMT (10-9-03, 12:56 +0200, where I live), you wrote: MW Anyway, in digest mode the header on my message looks fine to me. P Does there happen to exist a command I can grab digests for the P last day or two? Not automatically. But you could ask someone to forward those digests. I you'd like to receive them, I could forward the digests to you. Only if you ask me to, of course. It wouldn't be nice for you if several of us send you all digests since Monday. Depends a bit on your connectivity whether that would be a mere nuisance or severe problems. ;-) -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB 2.00.6 not indicating new mail in folders
It seems that FJ de Bruin said ... F I am experiencing some problems with TB. It no longer shows that there F is new e-mail. The account icon shows empty, the folder name is not F printed in bold, the message ticker remains quiet. Only when I click F on the folder that I know has new e-mail in it, TB wakes up and puts F out all the a.m. signals. This is a bug. I've seen it and so have several others. RITLabs is aware of this and promises a fix. (No timetable for the fix.) In the meantime, you might install SOUNDS -- these seem to still work. -- Bill Blinn Technology Editor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - 9/10/2003 at 7:20 AM Technology Editor, Newsradio 610 WTVN, Columbus, Ohio Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Random thought: Most of us ask for advice when we know the answer but we want a different one. -Ivern Ball. Featured speaker at PowerPoint Live - Tucson, Arizona October 12-15, 2003 - http://www.pptlive.com/ Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Empty Folder
Hello Dave, Wednesday, September 10, 2003, 2:59:45 AM, you wrote: Dave Hi TBUDLers, Dave I've noticed the Empty Folder function is considerably and Dave annoyingly slower in v2 than in the 1.63 beta series. Although Dave the progress indicator is nice. Dave Can anyone confirm? Well, not on my PC. I have not seen the indicator and in the folder there were 132 messages. -- Best regards, Gerritmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 2.00.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: zonealarm and automatic mail checks - works for anyone?
Vishal, [V] wrote: V Well, as it will be sent, yes. At the other (receiving) end, messages V written in microEd using, say, Courier New, appear different when V viewed with a default font such as Verdana. Yes. You'll never really be able to get away from this. This is why a lot of editors will use only fixed width fonts. No matter what fixed width font you use, the text will appear exactly as with other fixed width fonts. Not so with the nicer looking variable width fonts. When I say the formatting is preserved, I mean that the line breaks are preserved etc. Try using the alternative editor. If you use it, while composing, your message will be nicely wrapped at your editor defined setting. In actual fact the text isn't wrapped at all and the recipient receives unwrapped text. Now *that* is a gross disparity in perceived formatting as opposed to what the recipient receives. No matter which font your recipient uses, they'll never see the message the way you did before hitting 'send'. V I've had problems with this. And since a number of people reading my V mail use HTML viewing, and therefore usually not Courier or other V fixed-width fonts, I can't be guaranteed that anything I send them V will look identical on their machine. It need not look *identical* in the majority of instances. Not unless you wish to send tables and the like. In that case, you either send an attachment or your recipient agrees to use a fixed width font. V What do you mean by text reflowing options? Auto-format, Alt-L and V the like? Yes. AM Since most of MicroEds actions are keyboard shortcut triggered, AM using it in conjunction with a Macro makes it a real pleasure to AM use and makes it possible for me to use it with other clients like AM my newsreader. V This sounds interesting. Could you elaborate? Maybe an example of a V macro or usage with the newsreader.. For example, say I wish to split a quoted paragraph into two and reply to each part separately. I reflow the paragraph, split it into two, separate the parts so that I can insert my own text, reflow the second part of the paragraph and then have the cursor in position to start typing. With the use of a PowerPro macro, I achieve all of that with a single keyboard macro triggered by hitting Alt-D. AM to manually change my signatures V Now *that* I find really interesting. How do you do this - by having V different quick templates for different signatures? If so, doesn't V remembering all those keyboard combinations get to be a pain after a V while? For each signature template (for me these are kept as quick templates), I include the '%issignature' macro. What this macro does, is to delete all text below the signature delimiter in the editor, and replace it with the output of the quick template. In effect, you delete one signature and replace it with another. Remember that you can add anything to the template, so often, doing this not only changes my signature, but also changes my From name/address, whether the message should be signed or not etc. So I may typing a message and decide to change signatures, I then type the quick template handle and then hit CTRL+spacebar. Voila .. new signature appears. AM or quoting what's on the clipboard which is a little different from AM pasting as a quotation using the editor. V Could you make this a little clearer? Quoting the clipboard contents quotes without quoting blank lines between paragraphs. Using the 'Paste as Quotation' option in the editor, leads to blank lines between paragraphs being quoted. V Another useful trick. I've never used it, mainly because I'm never V sure what to expect by clicking the 'next' and 'previous' buttons? V What do they normally jump to? Funnily, I hardly use the toolbar buttons in a view folder window. I use the keyboard shortcuts. The blue button moves to the next and previous message in the message list. The red buttons do the same, however the previously viewed message is deleted. V Also, you can't view the account pane in two separate windows can V you? No. You view the account pane from the main window only. V Interesting again. When you say virtual folder, you don't actually V mean a folder somewhere in the account tree do you? No. Though the ticker messages have been filtered to their various folders, opening the ticker virtual folder, displays all those messages, now in multiple folders, in a single virtual folder message list. You can then browse all of them as if they were in fact in a single folder. V On your advice, I uninstalled ZA today and tried BlackICE PC protection 3.6. V Automatic mail checks still don't work for me. Could you tell me how you V configured your installation to handle this? It's very disappointing. We may be barking up the wrong tree in that the problem isn't a firewall problem. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re[2]: TB 2.00.6 not indicating new mail in folders
Hello Bill, BBTE This is a bug. I've seen it and so have several others. RITLabs is aware of BBTE this and promises a fix. (No timetable for the fix.) In the meantime, you BBTE might install SOUNDS -- these seem to still work. Thanks for letting me know. Is there any site or page with 'known issues'? That would have saved me some time. I am reading this e-mail list but following all threads is a all most a day time job. I will look at the sounds, but it is a partial work-around since I am not 24/7 at my PC. Frank -- Best regards, Frank J de Bruin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Message list headings
Mau, [M] wrote: M Please take a look at: http://perso.wanadoo.es/murech/threads.htm M Does this happen also on V2.0? No, it doesn't. The colour groups names are displayed as they should be. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Hallo MAU, On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:13:30 +0200GMT (10-9-03, 13:13 +0200, where I live), you wrote: M Note to moderators: Top-posting done on purpose I suppose that's even worse than doing out of ignorance. g -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: TB 2.00.6 not indicating new mail in folders
It seems that Frank J de Bruin said ... F Thanks for letting me know. Is there any site or page with 'known F issues'? That would have saved me some time. I am reading this e-mail F list but following all threads is a all most a day time job. There's a bug tracker list or site (somebody who knows will point you in the right direction). I just happened to be in a conversation with Stefan when I noticed it and he said that it would be fixed. -- Bill Blinn Technology Editor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - 9/10/2003 at 8:04 AM Technology Editor, Newsradio 610 WTVN, Columbus, Ohio Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Random thought: Man is the only animal that blushes. Or needs to. (Mark Twain). Featured speaker at PowerPoint Live - Tucson, Arizona October 12-15, 2003 - http://www.pptlive.com/ Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Recursive wrapping
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've just got hold of Januk Aggarwal's recursive wrap QT from the archive site but it doesn't quite do what I was expecting/hoping for. If I have 2 long lines ... abcdef abcdef abcdef abcdef abcdef abcdef abcdef ... ghijk ghijk ghijk ghijk ghijk ghijk ghijk ghijk ... I was expecting I'd get something like abcdef abcdef abcdef abcdef abcdef abcdef abcdef ghijk ghijk ghijk ghijk ghijk ghijk ghijk But what I got was abcdef abcdef abcdef abcdef abcdef abcdef abcdef ghijk ghijk ghijk ghijk ghijk ghijk ghijk Can anyone suggest an change/alternative that'll do what I'm expecting? TIA - -- Stuart Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 PGP Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com ... If you think there is good in everybody, you haven't met everybody. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0 iQA/AwUBP18e8tttnLhkydF1EQLtagCfR4NO3Q3OxfyYywymfA9I8sjXc2YAoLZZ tOqfqwoq3WSV93SLg0POnp0K =hmQf -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mail source and on-screen different ?
Bonjour ! For the second time, I discovered that the text showing in source message and what I have on-screen is different. The bat is printing recomrecommencer and the source message shows recommencer which is the right word from the mail. Now if I toggle from this message to another and then come back to the message, I still have the error. But now, if I toggle to another folder and come back to the one with the bad message, The Bat does print recommencer. And then in the same folder if I go to another message and come back it does print recomrecommencer Here is a print screen (on top from the source message and down message view) http://www.spidmail.net/thebat.png Does anybody report this bug ? -- Cedric - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.haute-vitesse.org (DH/DSS)PGP-key Server ID: 0xBDD6E604 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP converted to POP on install.
Hi Olena, @9-Sep-2003, 22:00 -0600 (05:00 UK time) Olena [O] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: O I read somewhere, that in new ver install IMAP folders will be O converted to POP. Not quite. Before installing v2, *you* should convert any IMAP accounts to POP3. O IS there then a way to convert them back? No. The new IMAP handling is completely incompatible. O Or I'll have to delete accounts with IMAP access, and redo them O again? Yes. O Or try to restore backup from ver 1.62? No, that will just confuse things. O Also: is there a way to get all settings stored at .ini file, O not in registry? Not yet. O Each time i restore image for OS, and some previous settings O stays, but new ones are gone. Restore? Oh! The registry. In that case, use regedit to extract the current TB settings to a .reg file and reinstate it after a restore image. regedit /e TBbckup1.reg HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat! is a command line that will produce a reg file containing the current TB settings. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Killing sobig on the server
Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 9:15:04 PM, Gordon wrote: G For others, the problem seems to be that in the selective G download I can't see a way of specifying that the Details G heading be the *only* word in the subject line. In other words G to kill messages with a subject line that says Details but G let through those which say Here are the Details. I'm familiar with Unix regex and this would do what you want on a Unix system. I've not tried it with TB!: ^Details$ The caret '^' says that the 'D' must start at the beginning of the line. The dollar '$' says that the 's' must be at the end of the line. Would you post your filters that you have set up, please? I'll give them a try on my system and maybe together we can get this working better. I'm motivated to get this working since I've received over 250 of the sobig viruses in the last 5 days. Between Norton, POPFile, and TB! they're not a threat, but I'd rather not burn the bandwidth downloading them. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Hello Roelof, On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:13:30 +0200GMT (10-9-03, 13:13 +0200, where I live), you wrote: Hey! Don't the minutes have seconds where you live? ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Message list headings
Hello Allie, No, it doesn't. The colour groups names are displayed as they should be. Here too. My concern is about the position of + and - thread links. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 9:50:52 PM, Vishal wrote: V Right. People like us on this list don't appreciate that. But V we aren't really representative of the majority. That is such a great point! (I wish I had made it. :) ) We techies so often forget that our view of the world is different than the typical end user. 10 years ago it was a true technical accomplishment to have an Internet connection and LAN in your own home. (I think I just strained my arm patting myself on the back. :) ) Nowadays, it's a complete no-brainer that anyone can do and the vast majority of Internet users are not technically savvy. The Internet is becoming to be treated in the same manner as automobiles. I.e. I just want it to work and don't care how it works. V Many reasons, but I know a lot of people who *like* receiving V messages with fancy stationery. Me, too. That's one of the reasons why I use TB! so that much of the HTML nonsense is filtered for me. That's my choice. Many, if not most, enjoy the background gif of a notebook, the sand on a beach, waving palms, on and on ad nauseam. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: MyGate, newsgroups with TB made easy
Hello Allen, A Because it DID download all. First time I checked my mail, I pulled A 100 messages. Ten minutes later, it refreshed . . . now, I have about A 2500 messages per group. A M Sorry, I have no idea why this may have happened. A A Nothing to apologize for, unless it was you who told it to download A all that excess. I think it did that on account of my own stupidity, A though -- I'd not edit the account options to leave mail on the A server. I've now done that, and tested it on a few other groups and A all is working correctly. This is quite a nice usenet solution. I've installed MyGate today. And it's receiving and sending mails to news groups, but the thing that happend to you also happened to me. I had the leave mail on server on. It would not be so bad if it happens just ones. But I've a group where he did download 10.000 messages again and again. When I used kill doubles he told me that he found around 20.000. What am I doing wrong? I download them to the inbox and then filter them to a folder. The filtering is now set to manual since the bat stays connected until all messages are filtered (althoug all messages are already downloaded). And I can say, after 40.000 messages, it takes a while :-). -- Cheers, Edgar Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 When you want to test the depths of a stream, don't use both feet. - Chinese Proverb Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 5:43:27 PM, Allister wrote: A And if you can think of a case where this is so, could it be A better handled by posting a web page, or PDF file, or A attaching a PDF file to the email? 1. Acrobat Reader is not as universal as HTML even if it is a free download. 2. Posting something to a web page changes the paradigm from a push to a pull. If I have something I need people to see, I have to send an e-mail to people (push) and then get them to click a link (pull). If someone d/l's their e-mail to handle off-line, it's really painful for them. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Wednesday, September 10, 2003, 4:29:36 AM, FJ wrote: F You're turning things around here. With all communications, F the presentation and formatting lies with the originator. This F is true for newspapers, slide show presentations, snail mail F letters, email, etc.. Ding, ding, ding!!! We have a winner! Nicely said. F Concerning bad taste, people can write horribly in plain ASCII F too. Remember the phase about 7 years ago or so where the use of ASCII art became so overdone? The uproar over its use in conjunction with excessive .sigs, and we've got people on this list who sure do go overboard with theirs, was about the same as the noise about the evils of HTML e-mail. -- Dave Kennedy Here's my title Here's my place of business Here's my address Here's my clever saying Here's my e-mail version Here's my OS version and service pack Here's my ICQ Here's my secondary e-mail address Here's my tertiary e-mail address Here's my current winamp song Here's my phone number Here's my fax number Here's my cell phone number Here's my advertisement for my speaking engagement Here's my PGP signature Oh yeah, here's my web site Gets a bit much, huh? :) Notice that at least I put all this nonsense after the -- delimiter. But, hey, if you read this far you must have found it a little bit funny! :) And all of these examples I've pulled from people on TBUDL - a somewhat technical crowd. Oh, well Have a great day! Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: zonealarm and automatic mail checks - works for anyone?
Hi Julian Wednesday, September 10, 2003, 3:35:32 AM, you wrote: JBL Application protection scanning was slow, Yes, I have complaints with that too. I don't even like the idea of using my existing system as a baseline. Even though I take great care with all my software, this still leaves me uneasy. JBL and had a modal dialogue box that would JBL sit on top of the screen whilst scanning and could not be dismissed. JBL Very frustrating. Yep definitely. I've found that I can continue working, after a fashion, while the window is still there, since it doesn't retain active focus for the whole duration. But I can't even move the damn thing, which is a problem. However, as of last night it appears that my problems aren't firewall related. I am unable to do automatic mail checks even with NO firewall installed. TB simply doesn't check unless I do it manually by Alt+F2 or clicking the check mail button. Any thoughts on that? The intervals are all set up properly so I don't see the problem. The log shows no attempts were even made. Cheers, -Vishal Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
On Wednesday, September 10, 2003, 2:49:12 PM, Dave Kennedy wrote: The Internet is becoming to be treated in the same manner as automobiles. I.e. I just want it to work and don't care how it works. This fits in quite well with the following bit of research: - A staggering one in seven technologically challenged employees needs help even switching their computers on and off, according to research commissioned by City Guilds. The UK vocational awarding body's study of 405 random UK financial directors revealed that, despite the fact that PCs have been around for over thirty years, getting to grips with the devices is totally beyond many British office workers. A fifth were found to struggle to save a document, more than one in five need assistance printing, while a quarter cannot understand a spreadsheet. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/67/32742.html for the details --- Julian -- Using The Bat! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Creating shortcuts?
Hi Bats, I just learned how to create a shortcut for 'mark messages all read' from this site: http://email.about.com/library/daily/et/02/12/bl_et120602.htm I didn't know it was so easy! So I made Shift+R to have messages all marked read, and shift+x to empty the folder. Now when I do those actions a little confirmation screen comes up to ask if I'm sure. Is there a way to prevent this? Thank you, Maggie -- mm mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mark a message read in the view folder
Hi, When I read my mail in TB I use Message autoview or preview pane. In Account - Propertie - Options, I sellected Mark message as read only when it is open in a separate windows. I do not want the message to be marked read when viewing it in the preview pane. Now that I've joint this list I use the view folder to brows throug the messages. (double click on a message and select view - message list) But when I click on an unread message it will become read. Is there a way to prevent this like with the option with the preview pane? Also the collom order is not the same as in the main screen. How can I set a default view folder view? -- Cheers, Edgar Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Format Date Created in Preview Pane
Hello, Is there any way I can format the Date Created display in the preview pane? I'd like it to be formatted for my time zone, if possible. Thanks, -MikeD Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML in the editor
Hello Thomas, On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 00:35:39 +0700 GMT (10/09/2003, 00:35 +0700 GMT), Thomas Fernandez wrote: Hm. I tried to report a bug and got this message: Maintenance Time - 07 Sep 2003 04:17 - ray Bughtracker will be offline for maintenance from 4:30 CDT (11:30 GMT) some hours Click on Archives. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Finally 21, and Legally Able to Do Everything I've Been Doing Since 15. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Broken threads and general threading question
Hello Jonathan, On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 23:36:54 -0500 GMT (10/09/2003, 11:36 +0700 GMT), Jonathan Angliss wrote: Is there a common thread as to who is sending them, or is it a bunch of people? Is there a common thread amongst them? I can see at least one example right away of a thread breaker on TBBETA, mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] has no In-Reply-To or References header. There is 4 possibilities. I'm not seeing this, but maybe you want to report it on TBBETA, the list you are referencing. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying of nothing. -- Redd Foxx Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Line lengths and techniques for automatic adjustment
Tuesday, September 9, 2003, David R. Austen wrote: Anyway, my way of reducing such long lines to 70 characters in my reply/forward/redirect is a bit cumbersome. I don't to it line by line, but even paragraph by paragraph is irksome. It seems that if I do not, these lines will stay very long in the messages received from me. How do other Batters deal with this, please? Use %WRAPPED=%QUOTES in your reply/forward/whatever template -- Urban The word trousers is an uncommon noun because it is singular at the top and plural at the bottom. Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Quote Colors
10-Sep-2003 07:09, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Notice the lace of color in the second one (and the lack of the blue URL). I am using The Bat! 1.62r on Windows XP Professional SP1 Same here (but W2k-SP4). Since Anne has no problems, its seems to be a bug fixed in v2. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) An elephants sexual organ is in his feet - if he steps on you, you're f*cked. Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Hello David, On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 19:54:05 +0100 GMT (10/09/2003, 01:54 +0700 GMT), David Boggon wrote: TF Your choice is costing me money. D And exactly how much extra is it costing you? BBTE Does it matter? Doing something that you know costs someone else money is BBTE rude, even if it's no more than one cent. I regret the tone of my reply (D) above. Appreciated. Certainly in some parts of the world this may be a very real issue. I wanted to defend myself against TF who seemed to be accusing me of costing him money, which I am not. You are contradicting yourself. Leif has already quantified it, I will chip in with my figures. There are about 41 Thai Baht to 1 US$. An hour of internet usage used to cost me 60 Baht. The market is now down to 10 Baht/hr, but that doesn't change the concept. We used to have 33K/s download speed, now it's 56K on most ISPs, except my main one. An HTLM message is on average 2-3 times bigger than a plaintext email, and I receive around 200 messages per day. You do the math. Now let's talk about Cambodia and Mozambique, compared to which the internet cost here are dirt cheap... My point was that one should look at the facts, and discern the best course of action to take based on those facts, rather than evoking arguments to rationalise one's prejudicial viewpoint. I am talking facts. What are you talking? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying of nothing. -- Redd Foxx Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Hello Dave, On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:49:12 -0400 GMT (10/09/2003, 20:49 +0700 GMT), Dave Kennedy wrote: The Internet is becoming to be treated in the same manner as automobiles. I.e. I just want it to work and don't care how it works. That is unfortunately true. See your own message about a certain Ford model on TBOT. V Many reasons, but I know a lot of people who *like* receiving V messages with fancy stationery. Me, too. That's one of the reasons why I use TB! so that much of the HTML nonsense is filtered for me. That's my choice. Many, if not most, enjoy the background gif of a notebook, the sand on a beach, waving palms, on and on ad nauseam. Send me a message with waving palms on the beach, and I'll blacklist you... LOL! And then I'll probably suggest you come and visit Thailand. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Neulich ist ein Statistiker gestorben. Er hinterlaesst eine Frau und zweieinhalb Kinder. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB 2.00.6 not indicating new mail in folders
Hello Bill, On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 08:09:04 -0400 GMT (10/09/2003, 19:09 +0700 GMT), Bill Blinn Technology Editor wrote: There's a bug tracker list or site (somebody who knows will point you in the right direction). www.ritlabs.com/bt I just happened to be in a conversation with Stefan when I noticed it and he said that it would be fixed. You got first-hand information, even better than the bugtracker. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Ladies, don't forget the rummage sale. It is a good chance to get rid of those things not worth keeping around the house. Bring your husbands. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MyGate, newsgroups with TB made easy
Hello Edgar, On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:02:29 +0200 GMT (10/09/2003, 21:02 +0700 GMT), Edgar wrote: It would not be so bad if it happens just ones. But I've a group where he did download 10.000 messages again and again. When I used kill doubles he told me that he found around 20.000. What am I doing wrong? I'd like to find out. The newsserver I intend to use needs a subscription, and while I have applied, I still haven't got my user/pass. So if you can recommend a newsserver that works without subscription, please let me know and I will subscribe to an NG and try MyGate out along with you. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Failed bar exam with relatively high grades. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Format Date Created in Preview Pane
Hello Mike, On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 08:49:07 -0700 GMT (10/09/2003, 22:49 +0700 GMT), Mike Dillinger wrote: Is there any way I can format the Date Created display in the preview pane? I'd like it to be formatted for my time zone, if possible. That date used to be shown in both time zones, the sender's and yours. Not any more in v2. I have critisised this already. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. This being Easter Sunday, we will ask Mrs. Lewis to come forward and lay an egg on the alter. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MyGate, newsgroups with TB made easy
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Thomas, Wednesday, September 10, 2003, 5:55:57 PM, you wrote: TF I'd like to find out. The newsserver I intend to use needs a TF subscription, and while I have applied, I still haven't got my TF user/pass. So if you can recommend a newsserver that works without TF subscription, please let me know and I will subscribe to an NG and try TF MyGate out along with you. You may find something here: http://www.gotobiz.co.uk/g/param/Computers/Usenet/Public_News_Servers/. M - -- Best regards, Martin Webster The Bat! 2.00.6 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBP19Zzlv+PP8p0/caEQL4UACg/Yzz15fm461bOO/MqonbhzEytRIAoOJw uYkmCARL7M0d9N4bn4Z2ZDg9 =AIgD -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Hello FJ, On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:29:36 +0200 GMT (10/09/2003, 15:29 +0700 GMT), FJ de Bruin wrote: MDP HTML was *never* developed or intended for use as a formatting MDP system for email. You're turning things around here. No, he isn't. What he says is historical truth. Check google for Tim Burners Lee (but don't tust my spelling, I get his name wrong every time). -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Mothers all want their sons to grow up to be President, but they don't want them to become politicians in the process. (John F. Kennedy) Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
maintenance centre settings does not persist
Is there a way to make the maintenance centre settings ``stick'' between runs? It's nice that I can choose which folders to purge, etc, but not so nice if I have to reselect the same folders every time. WL Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Hello Bill, On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 19:28:01 -0400 GMT (10/09/2003, 06:28 +0700 GMT), Bill Blinn Technology Editor wrote: I'm one of the let's-avoid-HTML-mail folks, but I know that in those instances when I want to send mail that is formatted for presentation, HTML is the *only* way I can do it and hope for it to be readable by a nearly everyone who reads it. I agree with this, but the instances when HTML mail makes sense are rare. Most mails do not need HTML. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Um zu antworten, bitte die From-Zeile mit ROT13 bearbeiten. Danach mit MD5 hashen, zeichenweise den ASCII-Code um 2 erhoehen (mod 57) und erneut um 63 erhoehen. Dann mit der urspruenglichen Adresse x-oren. Schliesslich am Ergebnis erfreuen und so antworten wie gewohnt. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Palm fronds and scuba diving
Wednesday, September 10, 2003, 12:34:58 PM, Thomas wrote: T Send me a message with waving palms on the beach, and I'll T blacklist you... LOL! And then I'll probably suggest you come T and visit Thailand. ;-) I could do with seeing some waving palm fronds and blue water right about now. Vacation is about three weeks away and I'm well overdue! :) How's the diving in Thailand? (Now it's officially TBOT-land!) -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Hello Dave, On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:04:02 -0400 GMT (10/09/2003, 21:04 +0700 GMT), Dave Kennedy wrote: 1. Acrobat Reader is not as universal as HTML even if it is a free download. It's only the reader than is free. 2. Posting something to a web page changes the paradigm from a push to a pull. If I have something I need people to see, I have to send an e-mail to people (push) and then get them to click a link (pull). I do the same. In the beginning, I used to attach files to email, only get many bounces: over quota. Now I just upload the files to my website, send a text message where they can download, and all is fine. If someone d/l's their e-mail to handle off-line, it's really painful for them. Most of the people I am talking about use Hotmail and read their mail online anyway... -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. THE RED LION pub at Lacock in Wiltshire offers whisky-flavoured condoms for sale. The small print at the bottom of the machine advises: Warning-Do not drive while using this product. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Language
Hello Andreas, On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 20:40:41 +0200 GMT (10/09/2003, 01:40 +0700 GMT), Andreas H Johannessen wrote: I have updated to The Bat v2 and by a mistake I lost the version 1.6 where I used the German Spell Checker and was very happy to have this service. I don't spell-check (oh, people can tell sometimes), but there have been some threads about different German spell checkers on the German TB Beginner's list. You might want to ask there (in German language). [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Reason for leaving last job: They insisted that all employees get to work by 8:45 am every morning. I couldn't work under those conditions. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
expanding the height of the message header field?
Hallo Fledermäuse, is there a way to expand the height of the message header field? The one to toggle with Shift+CTRL+H). -- regards, Jurgen Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on WinXP.5.1.2600.SP1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Different use of %FROM in version 2.0
Dear Bats Something seems to have changed with the %FROM macro from version 1.xx to 2.0 A Mass mailing Template of the form %FROM=[EMAIL PROTECTED]%- Rest of template Previously addressed all emails as FROM [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now all emails come from the account address and entirely ignore %FROM Any thoughts? Mark Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Message headers
The ability to add and edit message headers looks kind of neat. I have been racking my brains to come up with some innovative uses for this technology, but am struggling. Anyone have any inspired uses for this? Mark Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
v2 compatible with older version?
Hello, Is v2 compatible with older version v1.62 ? I think I saw messages about changes, so I'm not sure. The main reason I ask, is that I have AV problems with v2, and I maybe can try the old EXE (I renamed it to keep it). But if there are compatibility issues then maybe I just better dont try that :) -- Rgds, Wilfried http://www.mestdagh.biz Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Access violation in Account - Properties
Hello, I have not mutch luck on the 2 other mailing list. The tech seems dead, the beta is only some talk around anti virus and so :( so I try here. I will try to explain clear, but my english is not so well :( After upgrading to v2, I have AV when I hit account - properties. In fact I have 2 after each other. the first is: AV in NTDll.dll, read of address 18 the secend: AV in TheBat.exe, read of address 0 After both access violations my cursor is hourglass and stay that way until I click on a folder in one of the accounts. TheBat is working normal, but I cannot get into the accoutn properties. I have to say, that one of the AV's started when I downloaded a beta version on advice of someone. It was the first (AV in NtDll.dll) but I dont know the exception message anymore. I did not find this a problem because: - it was a beta version - hitting Esc and I had the properties :) I already search the registry in the RIT key's to see if I see something strange. The only strange I found was in RIT/The Bat!/Users Depot/ a key called: user1, user2, user3, user4 where user2 and 3 are the same, and user4 is an account that I have deleted a while ago. Can I delete these keys ? Of course I checked also the configuration files in the 'the bat' folder, but unfortionaly it is binary files, no information on it, so not mutch I can check. Oh yes: I dont know if that was after or before the AV problem but I made some experiment with mailing list and so. Deleted the folders in the bat, and then of course also from the HDD. But I do not see these folders in registry and so, so I think nothing to do about that. for the rest thebat is working fine. it is only the acount properties :( any advice is welcome ! -- Rgds, Wilfried http://www.mestdagh.biz Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6a Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Hello Sheldon, On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:39:53 -0700 GMT (10/09/2003, 06:39 +0700 GMT), Sheldon Schuster wrote: In my opinion, I believe there is nothing intrinsically wrong with HTML *if*, and *only if* it is used correctly according to the intent of its designers. The internet was designed for plain-text emails only. MIME attachments (allowing HTML) was added much later and under much protest. Check it out on the internet. It always amazes me that many people think the internet was invented by Outlook or AOL 6 or Al Gore... Are you still using the text based UNIX e-mail of the early '90's? Well, yes, *I* am using email. Not Hypertext messages without any sensible hyperlinks. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. No electrons were harmed in the creation, transmission or reading of this email. However, many were excited and some may well have enjoyed the experience. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MyGate, newsgroups with TB made easy
Hello Martin, On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:05:12 +0100 GMT (11/09/2003, 00:05 +0700 GMT), Martin Webster wrote: TF So if you can recommend a newsserver that works without TF subscription, please let me know and I will subscribe to an NG TF and try MyGate out along with you. You may find something here: http://www.gotobiz.co.uk/g/param/Computers/Usenet/Public_News_Servers/. This site lists only web-based servers, as far as I could see. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Things You Would Never Know Without the Movies: When a person is knocked unconscious by a blow to the head, they will never suffer a concussion or brain damage. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MyGate, newsgroups with TB made easy
Hello Thomas, Wednesday, September 10, 2003, 6:55:57 PM, Thomas wrote: It would not be so bad if it happens just ones. But I've a group where he did download 10.000 messages again and again. When I used kill doubles he told me that he found around 20.000. What am I doing wrong? I'd like to find out. The newsserver I intend to use needs a subscription, and while I have applied, I still haven't got my user/pass. So if you can recommend a newsserver that works without subscription, please let me know and I will subscribe to an NG and try MyGate out along with you. Here is a list with servers. I've not tried them so I hope it's not totally crap :-). http://freenews.maxbaud.net/newspage.html?date=2003-09-10 and a specialized group. news://news.superbase.com/ -- Cheers, Edgar Time is the best teacher; unfortunately, it kills all its students. Communicating with The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v2 compatible with older version?
Hello Wilfried, On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:59:05 +0200 GMT (11/09/2003, 00:59 +0700 GMT), Wilfried Mestdagh wrote: Is v2 compatible with older version v1.62 ? If you didn't change anything in the folder structure, there is no issue. If you did, hit ctrl-alt-shft-L after you downgrade. No guarantees. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. They recently conducted a marijuana taste test. Nobody seems to be able to remember the results. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug in 2.00.x: Color Group no longer present when message moved to trash
On Monday, September 8, 2003, 11:19:39, Marek Mikus wrote: when I delete a message, its color group is set to none. not confirmed. Hmm. I tried numerous things the past couple of days - I've set the mailbox's properties so that the message is moved to a certain trash folder instead of just normally deleted, I've set it to default deletion, I've deleted messages from folders and sub-folders. When a message has been made a certain color group by a filter, 9 out of 10 times (or so) it won't retain it's color group when being deleted. Needless to say, this did not happen when I used 1.xx. Roman -- Roman Katzer, Aachen, Germany Fifth Law of Applied Terror: If you are given an open-book exam, you will forget your book. Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: v2 compatible with older version?
Hello Thomas, TF No guarantees. Hmm the phrase I dont wanted to hear :) I can make copy of course of folders. What about registry ? Can there be messed up something ? I need it for my work, so I cannot effort giving myself hours of problems :) -- Rgds, Wilfried http://www.mestdagh.biz Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mark a message read in the view folder
Hello Edgar, In Account - Propertie - Options, I sellected Mark message as read only when it is open in a separate windows. I do not want the message to be marked read when viewing it in the preview pane. ... But when I click on an unread message it will become read. Is there a way to prevent this like with the option with the preview pane? De-select Mark message as read only when it is open in a separate windows and mark messages as read manually using Ctrl+M. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MyGate, newsgroups with TB made easy
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Thomas, Wednesday, September 10, 2003, 7:40:31 PM, you wrote: You may find something here: http://www.gotobiz.co.uk/g/param/Computers/Usenet/Public_News_Servers/. TF This site lists only web-based servers, as far as I could see. I don't think so... A small list of public NNTP servers http://theone.ru/news.html Aaron's Free News Servers http://www.newsservers.net/ - From these I found... news://news.uni-rostock.de/ news://post.newsfeeds.com/ news://freenews.netfront.net M - -- Best regards, Martin Webster The Bat! 2.00.6 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBP193ulv+PP8p0/caEQIhJACg2yZDj+i8WDasRIMTj9nrKY76fUUAoPqf BH/0TiB71p2MSb55EN2rRveU =3g1I -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Format Date Created in Preview Pane
Hello Thomas, That date used to be shown in both time zones, the sender's and yours. Not any more in v2. I have critisised this already. Which one is maintained? I sort my review pane by Created. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
page fault error
I am trying to evaluate The Bat! for use as our new email client. I have A LOT of questions and was slowly finding answers on my own BUT now this morning I find I can no longer start the program. I see the several screens asking if I want TB! to be associated with several file types then, instead of the last one asking if I want TB to be my default email program, comes the error message: error mssg The program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down. THEBAT caused an invalid page fault in module THEBAT.EXE at 017f:004072e5. Registers: EAX=00408b78 CS=017f EIP=004072e5 EFLGS=00010283 EBX=00408b78 SS=0187 ESP=00b0fe18 EBP=00b103a8 ECX=0001 DS=0187 ESI=00b103a4 FS=63b7 EDX=00b103a4 ES=0187 EDI=00b104a8 GS= Bytes at CS:EIP: 68 00 04 00 00 8d 44 24 04 50 8b 43 04 50 8b 03 Stack dump: /error mssg I am using: Win98se, IE 6, and (as of last week) the latest (unregistered evaluation) version of TB on my Toshiba Tecra laptop w/256M RAM Thanks! Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
put received date in templates
Hi all, Is there any way to get the date a message was received (not created) into the templates? Thanks beforehand for kind assistance -- Best regards, Rene mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v2 compatible with older version?
Hello Wilfried, I need it for my work, so I cannot effort giving myself hours of problems :) That is exactly the reason I am still on 1.62i and will not upgrade for some time :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: v2 compatible with older version?
Hello MAU, M That is exactly the reason I am still on 1.62i and will not upgrade for M some time :) I was so stupid g -- Rgds, Wilfried http://www.mestdagh.biz Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RSS Feeds via IMAP
http://rss.blogstreet.com/asp-rssbin/quicktour_asp-rss/ Does anyone have any experience with using this? -- Regards, Terry Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Line lengths and techniques for automatic adjustment
Hello, Urban: U Tuesday, September 9, 2003, David R. Austen wrote: I regret to inform . . . that after using this (generous) advice I am still not getting wrapping of those very long lines of messages to which I am replying. Here is my new, modified template (in part): - - - - Hello, %OFromFName: %ODateEn, %OTimeLongEn, you wrote: %WRAPPED=%QUOTES - - - - - Please tell me if that wrap code in the right position, for example. Best regards, David Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Keyboard macro for junk mail
Hi Batters, I would like to set a key sequence (alt-j preferable) that does 3 things: 1 marks the selected messages as junk (available in the specials pulldown) 2 marks the selected messages as read 3 moves those messages to the junk folder I have the Bayesit plugin installed, and when messages are not recognized as junk, I must do these to tasks. The junk mail folder created by the plugin (or by TB! to deal with the output of the plugin, maybe) would be the target. How do I accomplish this? Thanks. -- Best regards, Christopher Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.code-breaker.com Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MyGate, newsgroups with TB made easy
Hello all, M Hello all, M Well, just yesterday I discovered MyGate. A protocol gateway specially M developed for The Bat! (that's what the author claims) that seems to M work quite well and is much simpler to set up and use than my solution M with MailTraq, specially if you only use one news server. For more info: I've got a problem with MyGate: I set it to download 100 messages on subscription, but now, when I check for new messages, it only downloads replies to already downloaded threads. Did anyone experienced the same problem, or is it just me ? I am doing something wrong ? (I use News.CIS.DFN.DE as newserver) -- / _.'\ \Julien RANC / _.'\ \ /_.-'\___\ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\_\ `` .- \ _/| ICQ# : 36623205 | _\___. | | / \ | web : http://www.jranc.com |/\| |__| Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/7 s/n 96299A48 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v2 compatible with older version?
Hallo Wilfried, On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:59:05 +0200GMT (10-9-03, 19:59 +0200, where I live), you wrote: WM Is v2 compatible with older version v1.62 ? WM I think I saw messages about changes, so I'm not sure. I switched several times between the 2.00 betas and 1.62r and that caused me no problems. The only difference is that 2.00 uses a different file to store the folder structure. (The file's called account.flb instead of account.flx) As long as you didn't create new folders in 2.00 the old account.flx still contains all folder info. Otherwise the magic key combo Ctrl-Shift-Alt-L finds your lost folders for you. The other issue is the changed registration info. When you're going back to 1.62r it'll say that you're not registered, so you have to enter the old 1.xx registration key and the belonging password. As I mentioned, everything works alright. I changed several times without ill effects. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: expanding the height of the message header field?
Hallo Jurgen, On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:31:40 +0200GMT (10-9-03, 19:31 +0200, where I live), you wrote: JH is there a way to expand the height of the message header JH field? The one to toggle with Shift+CTRL+H). Over here it gets bigger when I put more headers into it. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Edit incoming messages shortcut?
Hi Robin, On 9/9/03 at 10:48 PM, Robin Anson wrote: RA I am using one based on the original message you remember. It has a RA single filter, triggered by a hotkey (Ctrl+Alt+E), that: Thanks, that's the one! When I get a little more time I'll try Allie's version too, but I like having the single hotkey invoke the whole process. -- Sean H. Using The Bat! v2.00 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MyGate, newsgroups with TB made easy
Hello Julien, Wednesday, September 10, 2003, 10:51:49 PM, Julien wrote: I've got a problem with MyGate: I set it to download 100 messages on subscription, but now, when I check for new messages, it only downloads replies to already downloaded threads. No, my problem is the he downloads every thing, but is this was the first time that you downloaded messages he downloaded the last 100 messages of the group? -- Cheers, Edgar I love acting. It is so much more real than life. - Oscar Wilde Communicating with TB! v2.00.6, Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE:expanding the height of the message header field?
Hello Roelof, Wednesday, September 10, 2003, 11:01:16 PM, you wrote: On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:31:40 +0200GMT (10-9-03, 19:31 +0200, where I live), you wrote: JH is there a way to expand the height of the message header JH field? The one to toggle with Shift+CTRL+H). Over here it gets bigger when I put more headers into it. okay, can I move to you? g here, it adds a fancy scrollbar argh I think that's a bug, can you confirm? like this: don't add one of the existing headers for viewing, create one. I created one for X-POPFile-Link and when I tick it ON for viewing, then the header pane does not expand, it adds a scrollbar. I can add a gazillion of those already existing, and yes it does grow then, but not with the created Popfile-Link. -- Regards, Jurgen UD Team: http://www.grid.org/services/teams/team.htm?id=E3ECFC2E-5950-4AF5-A604-140301A81367 Using The Bat! v2.00.6 http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/index.html Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v2 compatible with older version?
Hello Roelof, As I mentioned, everything works alright. I changed several times without ill effects. What about macros and templates, are they fully compatible? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: MyGate, newsgroups with TB made easy
Hello Edgar, Wednesday, September 10, 2003, 11:13:07 PM, j'ai pu lire: E Hello Julien, E Wednesday, September 10, 2003, 10:51:49 PM, Julien wrote: I've got a problem with MyGate: I set it to download 100 messages on subscription, but now, when I check for new messages, it only downloads replies to already downloaded threads. E No, my problem is the he downloads every thing, but is this was the E first time that you downloaded messages he downloaded the last 100 E messages of the group? Yes, the first time, I checked what it downloaded with OE, and it was the 100 last messages, but now, I only get the replies to the threads I have: no new thread, nor _everything_ like you. -- / _.'\ \Julien RANC / _.'\ \ /_.-'\___\ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\_\ `` .- \ _/| ICQ# : 36623205 | _\___. | | / \ | web : http://www.jranc.com |/\| |__| Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/7 s/n 96299A48 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: MyGate, newsgroups with TB made easy
Hi Julien, On Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 9:51 PM, Julien wrote: I've got a problem with MyGate: I set it to download 100 messages on subscription, but now, when I check for new messages, it only downloads replies to already downloaded threads. Did anyone experienced the same problem, or is it just me ? I am doing something wrong ? (I use News.CIS.DFN.DE as newserver) I use the same news server and I've had no problems with MyGate. -- Regards, Terry Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: expanding the height of the message header field?
On Wednesday, September 10, 2003, 10:16:21 PM, Jurgen Haug wrote: here, it adds a fancy scrollbar argh I think that's a bug, can you confirm? No bug. You have the option for each header for it either to expand the header section permanently to display it, or add it to the end of the headers and put in a scrollbar to keep the header section the same size. Go to Options|Preferences|Message Headers (in the tree view) Select the header that is in the scrollable bit, and click on Edit. At the bottom of the dialogue, de-select Display in Scrollable Part of Message Pane. Julian -- Using The Bat! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Unable To Send/Receive Mail
For the majority of the day, I've been running in to this problem. When I attempt to download my mail, it connects to the server, downloads the number of messages, then says it's downloading but hangs without ever pulling any down. This is displayed in the connection centre: receiving mail messages connected to POP3 server authenticated (plain) 174 messages in the mailbox, 174 new and it does not proceed past there. This started while using 2.0.6; I've now tried it in 1.63 beta, the other TB installed on my machine, but . . . same results: Nothing. Also, and this may be related, I am unable to compress my folders even from the maintenance centre. It just hangs. I tried to check integrity/repair but had no errors turn up there. I have no idea what to do to get my mail to download again . . . I can't send mail either. Allen Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Access violation in Account - Properties
Wilfried- Hmmm. An access violation in Ntdll.dll sounds pretty serious. I don't remember NT 4.0 very well, but maybe it's worth trying to restore this file from the CAB files? The /Users Depot/ area in the registry should correspond with the account information you see in the accounts pane. I believe it should be safe to delete unused items, taking care to remove both the Dir and User keys. Also, the Count key should be adjusted if you do this. Also, regarding the beta version you installed... was that a version 2 or 1.6x? I have had some problems in the past where installing over a broken copy didn't work - I had to uninstall the existing copy, then install the new one to clear up some problems. -- -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Line lengths and techniques for automatic adjustment
Hi David, @10-Sep-2003, 16:44 -0400 (21:44 UK time) David R. Austen [DRA] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Urban: DRA Here is my new, modified template (in part): ... snip DRA %WRAPPED=%QUOTES DRA Please tell me if that wrap code in the right position, for DRA example. That's not going to work. the %WRAPPED= macro only wraps to end of paragraph. You need to use the recursive wrapping template on the FAQ Library. Fortunately for you, you are still using v1. That template doesn't work on v2, but will work fine for what you want to do. For the rest of you, I intend to publish the v2 version for the library shortly. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v2 compatible with older version?
Hallo MAU, On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 23:19:35 +0200GMT (10-9-03, 23:19 +0200, where I live), you wrote: As I mentioned, everything works alright. I changed several times without ill effects. M What about macros and templates, are they fully compatible? Nope. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v2 compatible with older version?
Hallo Roelof, On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 01:07:28 +0200GMT (11-9-03, 1:07 +0200, where I live), you wrote: M What about macros and templates, are they fully compatible? RO Nope. I should elaborate on that. 2.00 has some extra macros. Those have no function in 1.62 And some other macros have slightly different meaning or syntax in 2.00, that's worse. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wrapping recieved mail correctly
Jamie Dainton, [JD] wrote: JD It seems some mail clients are incapable of wrapping mails at a JD sensible limit. Now as I'm viewing TB! at 1600x1200 an unwrapped JD mail line is very long. Is it possible to set the viewer to force JD the mail to wrap at 80 columns? Oh how I wish for that feature. :) -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wrapping recieved mail correctly
On Wednesday, September 10, 2003, Allie Martin wrote: JD Now as I'm viewing TB! at 1600x1200 an unwrapped JD mail line is very long. Is it possible to set the viewer to force JD the mail to wrap at 80 columns? Oh how I wish for that feature. :) Hear, hear! :) -- Dave Goodman The Bat! v1.62r Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
David Boggon, [DB] wrote: DB My point was that one should look at the facts, Many seem to resist the facts of the matter. :/ We speak about bandwidth, problems with accurate reproducability at the recipients end, the fact that the recipient is forced to read using fonts and font sizing that they may not like or literally find difficult to read. At least in Opera, I can quickly zoom in on text I find difficult to read, or just use the CSS support to change the text styles. Not so with HTML mail. You're just stuck! I don't know how much more facts are needed. People say HTML is here to stay, and I say, so is crime. Does that make crime a good thing or something we should all embrace?? DB and discern the best course of action to take based on those facts, DB rather than evoking arguments to rationalise one's prejudicial DB viewpoint. It's not a prejudice. We have practical concerns and unfortunately, it would seem that the scope and validity of these concerns aren't *really* appreciated unless one is really experiencing them. DB As my last contribution to this thread, I just want to say I have DB found the discussion informative, but that I do not wish to be DB identified (demonised) as someone who advocates HTML... I wouldn't go as far as to demonize anyone who advocates using HTML mail. I do see a place for it but only in the case of a few exceptions and where the HTML mail composer fully understands the issues and uses an appropriate client. Some HTML formatted newsletters I receive are nicely done. However, private HTML mail is usually more a problem than a solution. I'm subscribed to a busy mailing list where about 40% of the e-mail is HTML formatted. I just wish I could have you sit beside me and take a look at the mail on my monitor and with my resolution. It's tedious to the point of completely unreasonable to read the HTML versions. Thank goodness that TB! is capable of always presenting me with a plain text version. DB I sense a lot of strong feeling on the list about this. Yeah. Because we've had to deal with the problems with it. It's not just about colour. We do like colours and nice fonts. DB I do advocate informed choice. Indeed. It's my strong opinion, but an opinion anyway, that the decision to use HTML formatted mail by default, isn't an informed one. The fact that so many people are using it doesn't make it a good format. The fact that so many people use Win9x doesn't make it the better OS to use. DB Since coming to TB! I have been somewhat converted to plain text DB myself, and like many who have contributed, find it more than DB adequate for most of my mail. It still seems obvious to me that DB Ritlabs is making a judgement about HTML in the way it has DB configured TB!, and if this is a considered stance based on the DB principal of the thing, I applaud it wholeheartedly. Here, here!!! -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MyGate, newsgroups with TB made easy
Wednesday, September 10, 2003, 3:02:29 PM, Edgar wrote: E I've installed MyGate today. And it's receiving and sending mails to E news groups, Hmmm I installed it also to try out and I can't get it to connect to the news server at all :-( I've set up the pop » nntp and the smtp » nntp tabs... am using my ISP's news server (or trying to!) on port 119 but when I tell it to get the list of newsgroups I get an error box saying (exactly as shown): TGatedWinSocketStream.ReadUntil timeout If I try and connect from TB! to MyGate I get this message in the log: !11/09/2003, 00:40:07: FETCH - Connect failed I've checked and double checked all the settings against the instructions but can't see where the problem is... does anyone have any suggestions please...? -- Cheers, Anne Flying high with The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows 98 4.10 Build Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
David Boggon, [DB] wrote: DB With respect, the way a thing is presented is never usually the DB responsibility of the person to whom it is presented. We are always DB presenting ourselves and what we do in a particular way, whether we DB (or anyone else) likes it or not. Hmmm. I usually try to present myself in a way that will not be frowned upon by others. I don't simply present myself any way I wish to. I have to consider what will make my audience uncomfortable and avoid those things if I can. I'm sure you do the same thing and I think this is what Marck is referring to. DB The power the recipient has is in choosing to receive it or not. Not only that. The recipient should have the power to make the text he reads, a size that is comfortable for him to read. The recipient should have the power to choose a font that he prefers to read with. I hear Jamie saying that he hates Comic Sans. I know others who really like it. If one of those others send an HTML message containing tags to use Comic Sans when displaying the message, is that fair to Jamie? When using plain text, this is never an issue. You compose with what font you like and we read your message with what font we like. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML as default on v2.00 ...........?
Dave Kennedy, [DK] wrote: DK That is such a great point! (I wish I had made it. :) ) DK We techies so often forget that our view of the world is different DK than the typical end user. And you know why? We are in the know and they're not. :) We know the problems with HTML and they don't. They have an excuse for abusing it in that they don't know better. I usually sympathize and I never really get annoyed with it. I even read them. :) It's an entirely different matter to have the problems presented to someone and they still advocate HTML!! ducking and running -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduler - reasons to go V2
Vishal, [V] wrote: V Hear hear. I'd *really* like to see some nice complicated things that V people do with TB. I'm sure there are people here who can us better V ways to handle our email. If you have your own domain, you can accurately tell, based on the In-Reply-To header which messages are direct replies to yours. I use a filter in TB! that filters on incoming in-reply-to headers to see if the message id contains my domain landscreek.net. If so, a sound is triggered and the message is colour coded. The string match is a regular expression, so you have to enable regular expressions in the filter rule options. An example expression is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] location:Kludges Presence: yes In this way I can easily see which messages are replies to mine and if I'm at or near the machine, I get an audible indicator that a reply to one of my messages has arrived. You can do this with other message types so that you prioritize messages, and read the more important ones first. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: zonealarm and automatic mail checks - works for anyone?
Vishal, [V] wrote: V You think any ZA remnants might be responsible for my automatic V checking still not working? Do keep in mind that Allie last used ZA V over a year ago, version 2.6 I think. This is 4.0 Pro. I'm wondering if it's ZA at all. :/ What other software are you running. Are you running anti-virus software that does POP3 scanning? Any TB! plug-ins? -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
v. 2 IMAP freezes program
Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Since I changed to v.2, the one account that I have which is IMAP freezes the program most (but not all) of the time when I click on the Inbox. The program stops responding. If it doesn't stop responding when I click on the Inbox, it freezes when I click on one of the message headers that it has downloaded (though I have it set for full synchronization, with the Inbox subscribed, so I should get more than just headers), but then I click on a message and it freezes then too. This happens about 50% of the time, and often, I will have to force the program to quit. If I switch to do something else and come back to it later, occasionally it has corrected itself. Does anyone know what's going on? I don't have this problem with the POP accounts that I have. Chris Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
