Re[2]: Cannot select individual folders in Folder maintenance
Hello Peter, On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] PO As this is about a beta version, I suggest you post messages on TBBETA. Bother, late at night and wasn't concentrating. -- Regards, Richard | Using The Bat! 2.12 Beta/6 SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP Inbox STUCK!!!
ken green wrote: I may have fixed the problem. Another problem... No my *other* IMAP account has a message stuck in the Sent folder. This is a regular plain text message, no attachments. According to the log, the message appeared to go through. I decided to try Folder Maintenance. When FM go to the Sent folder of the account in question, it just sat there. Progress indicator said it was compressing this Sent folder, but it hung there for a good 7-10 minutes before I killed FM. Geesh! This is a *released* version fer cryin' out loud I'm beginning to feel like I'm back in beta testing... Any recommendations for messages stuck in Sent? I thought I remember this being an issue awhile back. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v2.10.03 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP Inbox STUCK!!!
ken green wrote: Any recommendations for messages stuck in Sent? I thought I remember this being an issue awhile back. Outbox is local, Sent is server-side -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v2.10.03 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem setting up a filter for not addressed to me
Hallo Gerard, On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:18:15 +0200GMT (1-7-2004, 20:18 +0200, where I live), you wrote: Z References: none Z X-ray: Status Green Your message states that you're using: Z Using The Bat! v2.11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 However you're posting garbage. Messages without Message-ID (that's illegal according to the RFC's), your References are missing (that ends all proper threading) And finally X-ray finds a status 'green' while 'Red' would've been more appropriate. Have you got your TB smoking weeds or is it X-Ray hat causes havoc on your mail? -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I really need some practical advice - synchronising
On Thursday, July 1, 2004, 9:55:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But don't you the have emails that have been deleted from the DT but are still on the LT? That is why I occasionally restore a backup from the desktop onto the laptop, as this gets the message bases back into synch. What is a 'reserve synch' - do you mean you individually select folders for synching - i.e: just the 'Sent Mail' folders? If yes: then that's a bit of a pain for 35+ accounts. I do, but I don't have a large number of accounts (about 10) and I don't do it very often. By 'reinstall' you mean Registry entries and the 'MAIL' directory? The built-in backup routine does not include the Registry entries, so I just restore the mail folders. I suppose that I could do this by copying the mail directories (or even using Laplink). One problem is that this process usually resets the filters, so they have to be re-pointed at the correct folders again. Interesting, but how does LapLink keep track of what's been deleted so it knows to delete it from the other machine? It does not, so it will try to copy back across the messages that have been deleted from the laptop. Laplink does true synchronisation, so will copy either way depending on timestamps and its own database of synch'd files. Julian -- Using The Bat! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Seeking confirmation of my interpretation of Key Nomenclature ...
Hello Thomas, Thursday, July 1, 2004, 12:35:52 PM, you wrote: snip s ShiftCtrl+Left or something similar. I started wondering what s they might have meant by Left ... TF It's ambiguous. It can mean left arrow or left mouse botton. So TF people will usually be more specific. I agree wholeheartedly, but ... I must still search for specific ones to enumerate for further clarification. Would you, by any chance, be able to point me in the right direction for a list of the currently defined key combinations used in TB!? I searched the TB! Help section, but ... alas, it wasn't much of a help. I think I've seen such a list, but do not remember where ... my bad! Thanks in advance. -- Best regards, subscriber2list Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Delete a msg on server before download ?
Hi, Somebody disturb my mailbox with useless mails. Can I remove these mails on the server with a TB feature instead of downloading them. First I had made a filter on his address but the problem is that the mall is downloaded before being destroyed, therefore a download long and useless! Thanks -- WilWilWil [EMAIL PROTECTED] TB 2.11.02 Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Delete a msg on server before download ?
Hello WilWilWil, Friday, July 2, 2004, 3:24:31 PM, you wrote: W Somebody disturb my mailbox with useless mails. Can I remove these mails on the W server with a TB feature instead of downloading them. First I had made a filter W on his address but the problem is that the mall is downloaded before being W destroyed, therefore a download long and useless! Account / Dispatch Mail on Server (don't have the french translation installed). -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 2.12 Beta/6 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Delete a msg on server before download ?
Bonjour WilWilWil, Friday, July 2, 2004, 3:24:31 PM, you wrote: Somebody disturb my mailbox with useless mails. Can I remove these mails on the server with a TB feature instead of downloading them. First I had made a filter on his address but the problem is that the mall is downloaded before being destroyed, therefore a download long and useless! A filter which filters before downloading is called selective download. That's what you need. What you tried was a normal filter. In your versions it's called Téléchargement sélectif. Account - Sorting Office/Filters - Selective Download -- Best regards, Cyrille mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [ TB! 2.11.02, Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000, Pentium 233Mhz with 95MB ] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Birthdate-entries in Addressbook
Hæ! Is there an easy way to *quickly* insert a birthday into the AB? The calendar-like interface is a little clumsy to manually swith to e.g. 28.03.1965 etc. etc. -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | aesir media http://www.aesir.de/ [The Bat! v2.12 Beta/6 without BayesIt on Windows 2000 Service Pack 4] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Birthdate-entries in Addressbook
Hello Thorvald! On Friday, July 02, 2004, 11:29 AM, you wrote: TN Is there an easy way to *quickly* insert a birthday into the AB? I haven't found it, if there is. :( TN The calendar-like interface is a little clumsy to manually swith to TN e.g. 28.03.1965 etc. etc. Yes. Very slow. I hope someone knows how to do it faster. Help, anyone? -- Best regards, Mary :Mary: The Bat! 2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Birthdate-entries in Addressbook
On Friday, July 2, 2004, 11:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MB On Friday, July 02, 2004, 11:29 AM, you wrote: TN Is there an easy way to *quickly* insert a birthday into the AB? TN The calendar-like interface is a little clumsy to manually swith to TN e.g. 28.03.1965 etc. etc. MB Yes. Very slow. I hope someone knows how to do it faster. Help, MB anyone? I have found you can at least highlight and change the year in the dropdown box. Must still crank through the months on the calendar, but it is a little easier. -- Pat A Canadian in Houston Using The Bat! v2.11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Birthdate-entries in Addressbook
Hello Pat! On Friday, July 02, 2004, 11:58 AM, you wrote: PJ I have found you can at least highlight and change the year in the PJ dropdown box. Must still crank through the months on the calendar, but PJ it is a little easier. Off to try that. Thanks. -- Best regards, Mary :Mary: The Bat! 2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Birthdate-entries in Addressbook
Hi P.Johnson, On 2 Jul 2004 11:58:38 (my local time 18:58:38), P.Johnson wrote: PJ Must still crank through the months on the calendar, but it is a PJ little easier. Just highlight the 'month' and type in the number of the month (eg: april is 4), it works the same for day year. Use left arrow for the next field. hth :-) -- :Der_Immer_Jodelende_Schweizer_In_Lederhosen: Roel running TheBat! 2.12 Beta/6 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Life is sexually transmitted, and terminal... Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Birthdate-entries in Addressbook
Hello P.Johnson, On Friday, July 2, 2004, 6:58:38 PM, you wrote: TN Is there an easy way to *quickly* insert a birthday into the AB? TN The calendar-like interface is a little clumsy to manually swith to TN e.g. 28.03.1965 etc. etc. MB Yes. Very slow. I hope someone knows how to do it faster. Help, MB anyone? Just type 28 on the day 03 on the month and 1965 on the year and it will change without using the mouse -- Cheers, Edgar Communicating with TB! v2.11.02, Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 On an occasion of this kind it becomes more than a moral duty to speak one's mind. It becomes a pleasure. - Oscar Wilde To request my public key select this url: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpes7QhSn87W.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Option to send queued mail upon connect
Hello tbudl, Hello perhaps I am missing this Often when I am on the road I answer and create a lot of e-mail. Is there an option that when checking and sending email it will automatically send Queued E-mails -- Best regards, danger mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem setting up a filter for not addressed to me
Hello Roelof, On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:48:16 +0200 GMT (02/07/2004, 14:48 +0700 GMT), Roelof Otten wrote: RO However you're posting garbage. Messages without Message-ID (that's RO illegal according to the RFC's), That's not quite correct, IIRC. If a message is sent without a message ID, the receiving MTA will create one. We have had messages on this list for which everyone had a different message ID. Your message didn't thread, and I haven't gone through all messages in TBUDL yet, but I think I've got another mid for the OP's message than you, and that's why your reply doesn't thread. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Sorry, Officer, I didn't realize my radar detector wasn't plugged in. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't Register at Bug Tracker [was Re: shortcut for Mail Ticker]
Mary Bull wrote: So far, have heard nothing. Having experienced similar problems you reported (I've signed up for accounts on Ritlabs bug tracker 3 times - and I *DID* write down my user name and password). I have given up on using it. One would think that with the frustration expressed on these lists that the process of reporting bugs would be a little simpler... sigh I sometimes think of The Bat and/or Ritlabs like an old friend who is often bumbling and inept... trying hard, but making some really dumb choices. You love him and will likely be friends forever. But sometimes all you can do is shrug your shoulders and shake your head slowly -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v2.10.03 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Seeking confirmation of my interpretation of Key Nomenclature ...
Hello subscriber2list, On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:18:19 -0400 GMT (02/07/2004, 20:18 +0700 GMT), subscriber2list wrote: s Would you, by any chance, be able to point me in the right direction s for a list of the currently defined key combinations used in TB!? Click on the link at the bottom of each message and look for the FAQ file, or go directly to http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBFAQ.html and click on + Is there a compiled list of keyboard shortcuts?. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. My mouse got into my computer and chewed up the internet. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Option to send queued mail upon connect
Hello danger, On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 15:04:58 -0400 GMT (03/07/2004, 02:04 +0700 GMT), danger wrote: d Often when I am on the road I answer and create a lot of e-mail. Is d there an option that when checking and sending email it will d automatically send Queued E-mails Account / Properties / Transport. [X] Combined Delivery. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. It's paradoxical that the idea of living a long life appeals to everyone, but the idea of getting old doesn't appeal to anyone. -- Andy Rooney Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
POP3 then IMAP and back to POP3?
Hi My ISPs have all agreed to install IMAP - except the Microsoft Exchange Server one - pah! Anyway, I have located the Protocol change button in the Account Properties. So I assume I can select IMAP as a method on an account by account basis. If I change an account to IMAP and it's not yet fully configured at the ISP end will it damage anything? If, when IMAP is running, can I change back and forth from IMAP to POP3 mode for one or more accounts? I.e: is it just a means to an end or is it a matter of now you're IMAPping so bye bye POP3 for that account for ever? Marten Gallagher -- Annery Kiln Web Design Delivering Information Effectively www.annerykiln.co.uk Web Design and Site Management Web Hosting and Print Design This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee and is strictly confidential. If you are not the addressee, please do not read, print, re-transmit, store or act in reliance on it or any attachments. Instead please e-mail it back to the sender and delete the message from your computer. The system used to send this message is permanently checking for viruses and malicious scripts. However, email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free and annerykiln.co.uk accepts no liability for changes made to this e-mail (and any attachments) after it was sent or for viruses arising as a result of this e-mail transmission. Any unauthorised reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem setting up a filter for not addressed to me
Hello Roelof, On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:48:16 +0200 UTC, Roelof Otten wrote: RO However you're posting garbage. Messages without Message-ID (that's RO illegal according to the RFC's) RFC2822 says under section 3.6.4: Though optional, every message SHOULD have a Message-ID: field. -- Regards, Charles. Using TB! 2.12 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: POP3 then IMAP and back to POP3?
Marten Gallagher wrote: If, when IMAP is running, can I change back and forth from IMAP to POP3 mode for one or more accounts? No, you can't do this. You definitely can't change from POP to IMAP. I've tried this. You have to create a new account and make it IMAP from the outset. The protocols are so different that switching back and forth isn't possible. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.12 Beta/5 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgp0yBVuwtTFp.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Problem setting up a filter for not addressed to me
Hi Charles M. Gerungan - On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, at 21:40:44 [GMT +0200] (which was 12:40 PM where I live) you wrote: Hello Roelof, On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:48:16 +0200 UTC, Roelof Otten wrote: RO However you're posting garbage. Messages without Message-ID (that's RO illegal according to the RFC's) RFC2822 says under section 3.6.4: Though optional, every message SHOULD have a Message-ID: field. As a matter of fact, we have our server set up to trash messages without a message ID for spam and virus reasons. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp6smTTMcZ7F.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem setting up a filter for not addressed to me
Hello Kevin, On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 12:51:50 -0700 UTC, Kevin Amazon wrote: KA As a matter of fact, we have our server set up to trash messages KA without a message ID for spam and virus reasons. Danger, Will Robinson! Did you know that Outlook 2003 does not generate them? And mind you, although the word should is used in the rfc, I for one still believe that the mua should generate them. Roelof is right in the fact that it breaks References: and In-Reply-To: header fields which might be a significant problem should the message leave your network. But that almost never happens, right? :) -- Regards, Charles. Using TB! 2.12 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Problem setting up a filter for not addressed to me
Hi Charles M. Gerungan - On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, at 22:18:20 [GMT +0200] (which was 1:18 PM where I live) you wrote: Hello Kevin, On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 12:51:50 -0700 UTC, Kevin Amazon wrote: KA As a matter of fact, we have our server set up to trash messages KA without a message ID for spam and virus reasons. Danger, Will Robinson! Did you know that Outlook 2003 does not generate them? And mind you, although the word should is used in the rfc, I for one still believe that the mua should generate them. Roelof is right in the fact that it breaks References: and In-Reply-To: header fields which might be a significant problem should the message leave your network. But that almost never happens, right? :) Outlook doesn't have to. This is the job of the mail server. Any legitimate mail server will automatically assign a message ID. Spammers, of course, like to spoof all the headers including message ID. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpaOqqypLHF9.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Seeking confirmation of my interpretation of Key Nomenclature ...
Hello Thomas, Friday, July 2, 2004, 3:09:44 PM, you wrote: snip s Would you, by any chance, be able to point me in the right direction s for a list of the currently defined key combinations used in TB!? TF Click on the link at the bottom of each message and look for the FAQ TF file, or go directly to TF http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBFAQ.html TF and click on + Is there a compiled list of keyboard shortcuts?. Thank you, Sir! -- Best regards, subscriber2list Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem setting up a filter for not addressed to me
Hallo Thomas, On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 02:04:20 +0700GMT (2-7-2004, 21:04 +0200, where I live), you wrote: RO However you're posting garbage. Messages without Message-ID (that's RO illegal according to the RFC's), TF That's not quite correct, IIRC. If a message is sent without a message TF ID, the receiving MTA will create one. Not the receiving mta, but the first mta. TF We have had messages on this list for which everyone had a TF different message ID. Yep, that's because there's a lot of broken (or misconfigured) software on the web. And when somebody's writing with TB then he's either deliberately messing things up or he doesn't realise what he has done. TF Your message didn't thread, and I haven't gone through all messages in TF TBUDL yet, but I think I've got another mid for the OP's message than TF you, and that's why your reply doesn't thread. That was more or less what I wrote, wasn't it? -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: POP3 then IMAP and back to POP3?
You definitely can't change from POP to IMAP. I've tried this. You have to create a new account and make it IMAP from the outset. DO you mean that it has to be a new email address different from any of the POP3 email addresses? That would be a real pain - in fact it would be unworkable as a solution for me. -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 2.11.02 with POPFile 0.21.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:POP3 then IMAP and back to POP3?
Hi [EMAIL PROTECTED] - On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, at 21:58:37 [GMT +0100] (which was 1:58 PM where I live) you wrote: You definitely can't change from POP to IMAP. I've tried this. You have to create a new account and make it IMAP from the outset. DO you mean that it has to be a new email address different from any of the POP3 email addresses? That would be a real pain - in fact it would be unworkable as a solution for me. A lot of this depends upon your mail server. As an example, we have a mail server that our in-house users access via an IMAP client. Our traveling users access the same message store using a web client via POP3. So it is possible to co-exist IMAP and POP with the same e-mail address. If your mail server is in-house, this shouldn't be problem to set up. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp58BDLFGXWi.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I really need some practical advice - synchronising
Hello admin, Thursday, July 1, 2004, 5:20:40 PM, you wrote: aacu If anyone has the energy and perspicacity to see their way through the aacu trials and tribulations I have been through I would welcome realistic aacu advice. aacu The document lists my set up and the techniques I have tried and the aacu problems that militate against using them. Set DT to not delete email -- If I tell the DT not to delete mail from the server - so that the LT can download it as well - then I have the email on both machines but if I delete on one, it is not deleted on the other. To have the complete options to manipulate mail and folders and have the same content from several machines which could be moved anywhere at any time does not seem possible with POP3. There would need to be some sense of how you would let it be limited from normal operations. Like some perspective on how often you'd want to do certain common operations, reading, sending, etc. And it doesn't sound like it would do. Only if you could do with some subset of normal operation might you try some of these options. None of these options you cited involve operating on the same mailstore. So it won't be identical. It would only be a question how similar content you might do with, or how much extra time you might allot for making copies of the folders. I guess NTFS cannot be changed to FAT32. But someone should have some opinion on what is going on there. I'm using FAT32. But it seems handy for you to provide these observations since there may be others who wish to try the same things. -- Best regards, Adam Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
IMAP query
OK - I've set myself up a free IMAP email account (fastmail.fm) to experiment. Apart from differnet settings and such I don't at the moment see any difference and there seems to be adistinct lack of enlightenment on the BAT web site and forums. A lot of discussion but nothing about how it actualy operates. What should I be seeing? I can't Dispatch on Server in IMAP but I can connect to server but then what? I sent myself some emails - they downloaded as if it were a POP3 account. I said leave them on the server but they don't reappear when I connect again. I think I'm missing something here - anyone know of a plain source of explanation of how it works in The Bat? -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 2.11.02 with POPFile 0.21.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: problems copying Russian text from email-body
Labas vakaras, Edvinas,
Thursday, July 1, 2004, 1:09:07 PM, you wrote:
I've got question marks when tried to copy/paste russian text from The Bat!
to other application. Other way (from another application to The Bat!) works
correct.
Default codepage is Baltic (windows-1257).
I've tried to do it with KOI8-R.
To say the most important thing at first: I do not have an answer to
the question.
But here come some elements to understand what is going on and a
workaround:
The question marks are often a sign that there is somewhere in the
chain an application which is not aware (or not fully aware) of unicode (UTF-8).
If it were a simple problem of representing the cyrillic characters
properly, there would not be question marks but rather some character
salad like Òàêèå ïèñüìà íàçûâàþòñÿ ñïàìîì. But in your case the text is
not only rendered wrongly, but even destroyed.
When you copy and paste something from one place to another the
copied and pasted text passes through the Windows clipboard. That is
why the problem might occur at (at least) 3 different stages: A first
question is whether the Windows clipboard understands Unicode at all
(if not, everything is considered to be in your system's default
codepage).
Then there might be transmission problems when putting things from TB
to the clipboard and later also when the text is transmitted from
the clipboard to the other application.
From Windows 2000 onwards the clipboard fully supports unicode. That
means that your problem is not there. If you are having this problem
when you copy *from* TB not only to *one* particular application, but
to *different* other applications, it is probable that not all the
other applications cause the same problem, but that the problem starts
already when you copy from TB.
TB is not fully UTF-8 aware. As you probably noticed, TB can read
(receive) European characters which are UTF-8 coded (but not Asian
characters), and it is completely unable to write (send) UTF-8 coded
messages.
But I do not know what TB does exactly (and what it should do) when
text is copied to the clipboard.
This is only what I know about these things. But there should be
people out there on the list who know more about this !
One last thing you might try (but I have little hope) is to copy not
from a KOI8-R coded message, but from a Windows coded message (Windows
1251). This might make it a little easier to get the copied text drom
TB to the Windows clipboard.
Now comes the workaround:
Instead of copying from TB you can save the Russian text from the
email-body to an external file (*.txt) (Messages - Save as). The
result is a text file which is encoded Windows cyrillic. If you open
it in the Notepad you probably get character salad (already better
than question marks). But when you open it in a more skilled text
editor ('Word' or whatever) you get your text correctly decoded.
C P.S.: You seem to have a coding problem also with the Baltic
C characters of your second name in the alias of the FROMADDR
C of your message.
ISO-8859-13 is official standard for Baltic languages (well, it's ISO!) and
I think that The Bat! should have support of this encoding in distribution
package.
In this case this has nothing to do with the skills of TB, but with
the probability that the people who read your message have ISO-8859-13
loaded or not. TB supports it, but I guess most of us on TBUDL don't
have it loaded.
There are plenty of ISO charsets which do not come the standard
distribution package. What I like with TB is that you can add yourself
charsets you need.
C Where did you get the ISO 8859-13 implementation for TB?
Downloaded translation table for it. Don't remeber where I found it though.
Can I get a copy? (-:
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Cyrille
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Re[2]: Option to send queued mail upon connect
Hello Thomas, Friday, July 2, 2004, 3:11:24 PM, you wrote: TF Hello danger, snip TF Account / Properties / Transport. [X] Combined Delivery. Thank you -- Best regards, dangermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem setting up a filter for not addressed to me
Hello Kevin, On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:31:42 -0700 UTC, Kevin Amazon wrote: Danger, Will Robinson! Did you know that Outlook 2003 does not generate them? KA Outlook doesn't have to. This is the job of the mail server. What rfc states this? It isn't. Why would a mta do that if it doesn't know where it's coming from? KA Any legitimate mail server will automatically assign a message ID. I guess qmail is not a legitimate mta then :). KA Spammers, of course, like to spoof all the headers including message KA ID. Yes, but there's always rbl which makes you devnull it before it reaches the queue. After that, there's SA which almost catches the rest. If you're still not happy, install a c/r system like tmda. Let's move to pm before a moderator tells us to do so without putting MOD in the Subjec: line :). -- Regards, Charles. Using TB! 2.12 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP query
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're asking pretty basic information here that isn't TB! specific. I just entered 'What is IMAP' in Google and got some nice links that explains IMAP and how it works. Starting with some of those links should have you getting well on your way with understanding how IMAP works. Apart from differnet settings and such I don't at the moment see any difference and there seems to be adistinct lack of enlightenment on the BAT web site and forums. The idea with the TB! IMAP account is that the IMAP functionality is transparent in that you work with it like how you'd work with a POP3 account. Well almost. :) It's as seamless as it could be though. I really like this with regards to TB!. A lot of discussion but nothing about how it actualy operates. Well, the idea behind IMAP is to manage your messages on the server. This is the VERY basic difference. With POP, we tend to retrieve our mail from the server and store our messages locally. With IMAP, we leave the message on the server, sort them in folders that reside on the server, filter them from the servers INBOX folder to other folders on the server, delete them from folders on the server, copy and move them from folder to folder on the server. What you see in your account is a cached representation of what is happening on the server. Since you're working with the server and looking at a cache of it, you'll need to update what's in the cache. It's like reloading a web page that frequently changes. When you sync a folder, it's like reloading a web page that has frequently changing content. When you select a message, you load it like you'd load a web page. The message is cached in that local IMAP folders cache as your browser would store a copy of the webpage in it's temp files. With TB! you can adjust what it is you wish to synchronise. You can synchronise only message headers so you can see a list of what's in a server folder and then download only those bodies you wish to read. You may wish to synchronise entire messages and bodies. It's all flexible. The clear advantage here is that you can run different IMAP clients from different machines at different locations and be exactly where you were when you completed working with your mail at another machine. It's like working with Webmail, only with all the advantages but none of the weakness, the main one being bound to working with the webmail interface. What should I be seeing? I can't Dispatch on Server in IMAP but I can connect to server but then what? You can't dispatch on the server because you don't need to. IMAP is about working with mail on the server. I sent myself some emails - they downloaded as if it were a POP3 account. I said leave them on the server but they don't reappear when I connect again. Not making much sense here but I think it's because you lack a basic understanding of how the IMAP protocol works and what it's about. This is essential to making headway with IMAP. The basic thing here is that what you see in TB is simply a local *representation* of what is actually on the remote server. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.12 Beta/5 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgp0FPlR2YarE.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Test using References (Follow up ) ... Changing the Subject Field Verbiage
Paul Cartwright wrote: When I'm too lazy to start a new message and find the addressbook entry, I just hit reply, remove those references, and change the subject to what I want it to say :) a cheaters way to create a new message. With TBUDL in my address book and auto-complete on, a new message to the list is as simple as Ctrl+N and typing tbu in the To: field. Surely simpler/easier/quicker/lazier than what you describe? -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v2.10.03 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I really need some practical advice - synchronising
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really need some practical advice on this whole business of synchronising two copies of The Bat! The answer to this sort of requirement lies with IMAP. Is the IMAP protocol available to you? If not, then I think we'll just have to find a way of shoehorning POP3 into working that way for you. When you say synchronise, are you referring to identical installations or is it that you wish to have all those new messages you downloaded from the server while working with one installation, be added to the other installation and not merely be added, but also be added with appropriate flagging etc? -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.12 Beta/5 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpuaNlh7J5Tr.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Problem setting up a filter for not addressed to me
Hi Charles M. Gerungan - On Sat, 3 Jul 2004, at 01:02:13 [GMT +0200] (which was 4:02 PM where I live) you wrote: KA Outlook doesn't have to. This is the job of the mail server. What rfc states this? It isn't. Why would a mta do that if it doesn't know where it's coming from? Look, I can show you thousands of outlook incoming and outgoing mail messages with message ID's. I'm not sure if there is an RFC for this or not but I believe there is. Our mail server assigns a message ID to all outgoing messages if the mail client hasn't already done so. If I have time, I'll look up the appropriate specification. KA Any legitimate mail server will automatically assign a message ID. I guess qmail is not a legitimate mta then :). If that is the case, as far as we are concerned, I guess so. KA Spammers, of course, like to spoof all the headers including message KA ID. Yes, but there's always rbl which makes you devnull it before it reaches the queue. After that, there's SA which almost catches the rest. If you're still not happy, install a c/r system like tmda. I'm perfectly happy. Let's move to pm before a moderator tells us to do so without putting MOD in the Subjec: line :). -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp3auv4kMrAD.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Test using References (Follow up ) ... Changing the Subject Field Verbiage
Hello Ken! On Friday, July 02, 2004, 6:24 PM, you wrote: PC When I'm too lazy to start a new message and find the addressbook PC entry, I just hit reply, remove those references, and change the subject PC to what I want it to say :) a cheaters way to create a new message. kg With TBUDL in my address book and auto-complete on, a new message to kg the list is as simple as Ctrl+N and typing tbu in the To: field. kg Surely simpler/easier/quicker/lazier than what you describe? Not if you want to quote something from an earlier message, yet begin a new thread. The content of this discussion began in an effort to come to a compromise among tbot subscribers as to how to keep threads from wandering and additionally becoming longer than was comfortable for some of tbot's members. The work-arounds were feeling quite clumsy to some of the more long-winded, freewheeling posters, of which I was one. Then Greg Strong posted this solution. And he felt so strongly about it that he sent it to tbudl and tbbeta also. (I know that because I'm subscribed to both those lists, also.) I've been using Greg's solution on tbot--where we don't actually have such stringent rules as on tbudl, and where more visiting and banter go on. It's an easier way for me to continue the conversation and use The Bat!'s wonderful quoting capability--and yet not disturb those who depend strongly on its threading capability to keep up with what's being said and who want threads shorter and subject lines more relevant. -- Best regards, Mary :Mary: The Bat! 2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP query
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'What is IMAP' in Google Funny you should say that - cos that's what I always tell clients - ask Google first.. So I did already (I tend to use this group as the thrid line of attack: 1 - Help File/Forum / 2 Google / 3 Here) and the links I got were not helpful to me in relation to The Bat. I found an excellent site which covered tips and tricks for email which included a lot of stuff for The Bat and IMAP but was a little out of date. As for the Bat's help system - ha! I understand exactly how IMAP works - I am a web designer and the concept of local caching is not alien to me. I simply was trying to get a handle on how it looks and feels in The Bat. However, this is all aademic at the moment because I have to have new accounts to set up IMAP and I can't do that becuase the email accounts I have (35 of them) are related to client's domains etc. So - looks like I've now hit the brick wall of The Bat's otherwise stunning facilities. -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 2.11.02 with POPFile 0.21.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Test using References (Follow up ) ... Changing the Subject Field Verbiage
On Friday, July 2, 2004, 7:24 PM, you wrote: kg With TBUDL in my address book and auto-complete on, a new message to kg the list is as simple as Ctrl+N and typing tbu in the To: field. kg Surely simpler/easier/quicker/lazier than what you describe? it can be, but I also have extenuating circumstances :) then it depends what account you are in when you do that.. what folder/account are you in when you do that ... -- Paul Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Jun2004 (4.1.418) (avast! version number) 0427-1 (02.07.2004) (avast! DB version number) 4.1.418 (avast! plugin version number) Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem setting up a filter for not addressed to me
Hallo Charles, On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 01:02:13 +0200GMT (3-7-2004, 1:02 +0200, where I live), you wrote: Danger, Will Robinson! Did you know that Outlook 2003 does not generate them? KA Outlook doesn't have to. This is the job of the mail server. CMG What rfc states this? It isn't. Why would a mta do that if it doesn't CMG know where it's coming from? RFC2822 states this about message-id's: 3.6.4. Identification fields Though optional, every message SHOULD have a Message-ID: field. Furthermore, reply messages SHOULD have In-Reply-To: and References: fields as appropriate, as described below. The Message-ID: field contains a single unique message identifier. The References: and In-Reply-To: field each contain one or more unique message identifiers, optionally separated by CFWS. The message identifier (msg-id) is similar in syntax to an angle-addr construct without the internal CFWS. skipping description of message-id The Message-ID: field provides a unique message identifier that refers to a particular version of a particular message. The uniqueness of the message identifier is guaranteed by the host that generates it (see below). This message identifier is intended to be machine readable and not necessarily meaningful to humans. A message identifier pertains to exactly one instantiation of a particular message; subsequent revisions to the message each receive new message identifiers. And the bottom part of RFC2821 section 6.3 states: In response to these weak SMTP clients, many SMTP systems now complete messages that are delivered to them in incomplete or incorrect form. This strategy is generally considered appropriate when the server can identify or authenticate the client, and there are prior agreements between them. By contrast, there is at best great concern about fixes applied by a relay or delivery SMTP server that has little or no knowledge of the user or client machine. The following changes to a message being processed MAY be applied when necessary by an originating SMTP server, or one used as the target of SMTP as an initial posting protocol: - Addition of a message-id field when none appears - Addition of a date, time or time zone when none appears - Correction of addresses to proper FQDN format The less information the server has about the client, the less likely these changes are to be correct and the more caution and conservatism should be applied when considering whether or not to perform fixes and how. These changes MUST NOT be applied by an SMTP server that provides an intermediate relay function. In all cases, properly-operating clients supplying correct information are preferred to corrections by the SMTP server. In all cases, documentation of actions performed by the servers (in trace fields and/or header comments) is strongly encouraged. Especially when you look at the last paragraph, it's clear that TB should destroy the message-id before sending the message out. -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem setting up a filter for not addressed to me
Hello Roelof, On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 03:00:58 +0200 UTC, Roelof Otten wrote: RO Hallo Charles, RO On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 01:02:13 +0200GMT (3-7-2004, 1:02 +0200, where I RO live), you wrote: Danger, Will Robinson! Did you know that Outlook 2003 does not generate them? KA Outlook doesn't have to. This is the job of the mail server. CMG What rfc states this? It isn't. Why would a mta do that if it doesn't CMG know where it's coming from? RO RFC2822 states this about message-id's: ROThe Message-ID: field provides a unique message identifier that ROrefers to a particular version of a particular message. The ROuniqueness of the message identifier is guaranteed by the host that ROgenerates it (see below). The host that generates it is the host that runs the mua (your machine), not the mta (the server). ROIn all cases, properly-operating clients supplying correct ROinformation are preferred to corrections by the SMTP server. In all ROcases, documentation of actions performed by the servers (in trace ROfields and/or header comments) is strongly encouraged. RO Especially when you look at the last paragraph, it's clear that TB RO should destroy the message-id before sending the message out. Quite the opposite. properly-operating clients supplying correct information are preferred to corrections by the SMTP server means that TB! (the client) should supply the correct information. Or, lets substitute names here and change the plural of clients into singular: properly-operating clients = TheBat! the SMTP server = qmail The sentence then becomes: In all cases, TheBat! supplying correct information is preferred to corrections by qmail. I fail to see why TB! should destroy the message-id. -- Regards, Charles. Using TB! 2.12 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I really need some practical advice - synchronising
Rich Gregory, [RG] wrote: AM The answer to this sort of requirement lies with IMAP. Is the IMAP AM protocol available to you? If not, then I think we'll just have to AM find a way of shoehorning POP3 into working that way for you. Here is how we do it with POP3 only... snip Now that's a neat description of one way of shoehorning POP3 to attempt to do what IMAP so elegantly achieves. -- -=[ :Allie: ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.12 Beta/5 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpQmVxwA3fe2.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP query
Marten Gallagher, [MG] wrote: I understand exactly how IMAP works - I am a web designer and the concept of local caching is not alien to me. I simply was trying to get a handle on how it looks and feels in The Bat. Hmmm. You're questions have been very general so I couldn't help but misunderstand and think that you lacked a basic understanding. TB!'s IMAP works pretty much like most other clients I've tried and I've tried many. The concepts are pretty much the same. I hope that my description helped though. If there's anything you specifically wish to clarify then, please ask. I'd be happy to explain. :) -- -=[ :Allie: ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.12 Beta/5 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpdDM78QO2vz.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem setting up a filter for not addressed to me
Hello Roelof, On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 22:54:42 +0200 GMT (03/07/2004, 03:54 +0700 GMT), Roelof Otten wrote: TF That's not quite correct, IIRC. If a message is sent without a message TF ID, the receiving MTA will create one. RO Not the receiving mta, but the first mta. The first receiving MTA? ;-) TF Your message didn't thread, and I haven't gone through all messages in TF TBUDL yet, but I think I've got another mid for the OP's message than TF you, and that's why your reply doesn't thread. RO That was more or less what I wrote, wasn't it? You did, didn't you. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Why do people give each other flowers? To celebrate various important occasions, they're killing living creatures? Why restrict it to plants? Sweetheart, let's make up. Have this deceased squirrel. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem setting up a filter for not addressed to me
Hello Charles, On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 03:27:26 +0200 GMT (03/07/2004, 08:27 +0700 GMT), Charles M. Gerungan wrote: 10 CMG In all cases, TheBat! supplying correct information is preferred to 20 CMG corrections by qmail. 30 ACK. 40 CMG I fail to see why TB! should destroy the message-id. 50 Should? No, I don't think anybody ever said that. The question is, does it violate the RFC if the MUA doesn't supply the MID. The answer is: no, but (GOTO 10). -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Nachdem die Maenner 100m gekrault hatten, wickelten die Frauen ihre 200m Brust ab. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem setting up a filter for not addressed to me
Hello Thomas, On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 11:48:55 +0700 UTC, Thomas Fernandez wrote: 40 CMG I fail to see why TB! should destroy the message-id. TF 50 Should? No, I don't think anybody ever said that. The question is, TF does it violate the RFC if the MUA doesn't supply the MID. The answer TF is: no, but (GOTO 10). If you quote, do it correctly. Here's Roelof's paragraph which I quoted and was right before your 50: Especially when you look at the last paragraph, it's clear that TB should destroy the message-id before sending the message out. Can you see it now? -- Regards, Charles. Using TB! 2.12 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem setting up a filter for not addressed to me
Hello Charles, On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 07:19:37 +0200 UTC, Charles M. Gerungan wrote: CMG If you quote, do it correctly. Here's Roelof's paragraph which I quoted CMG and was right before your 50: s/50/40 -- Regards, Charles. Using TB! 2.12 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
