Re: Access violation when moving folders for rules

[Anthony G. Atkielski]

Allie Martin writes:

> Well, in a way I'd disagree with that. It's not easy for a novice to
> give detailed and technical information with explanations that imply
> knowledge that exceeds that of the novice. :) In such a situation, one
> can easily raise the tech support level.

Typically no one gives such explanations.  Unsophisticated users cannot
give them; sophisticated users are too lazy to give them (because they
prefer to guess what's wrong), and become indignant when anyone suggests
that their "educated guesses" may not be correct.  That's exactly how
the unsophisticated users sound, so it's hard to tell them apart.  They
all claim to be experts on the phone.

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Re: Access violation when moving folders for rules

[Anthony G. Atkielski]

Mica Mijatovic writes:

> It didn't work for the shuttle.

It did work for the shuttle; but someone decided to skip a few steps.

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Re[2]: Need help restoring TheBat!

[Lawrence Johnson]

Hello Roelof,

Saturday, October 23, 2004, 4:42:56 AM, you wrote:

> Pick new account.
> Select the same mail directory as you had before.
> When you're prompted for an account name just enter the name you used
> before. Do this for all of your accounts.
> When you don't remember the names for your accounts, check the
> directory names for your account directories, they're the same.

Thank you and everyone else who offered their suggestions.  TB! is
reinstalled with all previous accounts.  Most grateful.

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Re: Bug Report: /importf="The Bat!"

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Bill,

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:23:30 -0500GMT (24-10-2004, 0:23 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

BM> Perhaps there should be a %FullFolderName macro?

IIRC that has been asked before, don't know whether it's on the wish
list or not. Dunno whether it's on the wish list, I certainly agree
that it would be a useful feature.

-- 
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Re: Limiting references in reply chains

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Anthony,

On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 00:05:51 +0200GMT (24-10-2004, 0:05 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

>> made TB recognize the message as something encrypted with PGP. I don't
>> think that's very odd, as I understand these matters PGP encrypted
>> matters should be straight ascii, so claiming it to be UTF-8 won't
>> help.

AGA> So why is it only happening now?  As far as I know, the sender of the
AGA> message has not changed his Outlook Express settings.

I don't know, but you could ask your contact. He's the one that
changed his headers. I don't know anything about OE (well, actually
that's not completely true), so telling why somebody whom I don't know
(probably in France or so) changes his settings.
Maybe he started to mess around with SP2?

AGA> I looked at some earlier messages from him that did get recognized as
AGA> PGP, and they contained:

AGA> Content-Type: text/plain;
AGA> charset="iso-8859-1"

That's a one byte character set, no two byte character set as UTF-8.

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Re: Access violation when moving folders for rules

[Allie Martin]

On Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 4:03:43 PM [GMT -0500], Anthony G.
Atkielski wrote:

> The vast majority of callers to tech support don't know what they
> are doing, and there's no way to tell which callers _do_ know what
> they are doing.

Well, in a way I'd disagree with that. It's not easy for a novice to
give detailed and technical information with explanations that imply
knowledge that exceeds that of the novice. :) In such a situation, one
can easily raise the tech support level.

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Re: Access violation when moving folders for rules

[Mica Mijatovic]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sat, 23 Oct 2004,
   @  @  at 23:03:43 +0200, when Anthony G. Atkielski wrote:

> It works for NASA; it will work for everyone else.

It didn't work for the shuttle.

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Bug Report: /importf="The Bat!"

[Bill McCarthy]

Hello TB User Discussion List,

When I attempt to import mail to any folder that is not
directly off an account, the mail ends up in the Inbox.
It should be finding a subfolder with a valid name.

On my system, "The Bat!" folder is located under the
"Lists" folder.

Obviously, I can write /importf="Lists\The Bat!".  That
works.  The problem is that I'm writing this stuff from
without TB! using macros.  I can get the correct user
name with %AccountName.  However %FolderName only
returns the rightmost part of the actual folder name.

The bug is that you can't use /importf without a full
folder name AND TB! macros don't appear to provide a
macro that will delivery the full name.

An Export Message template that contains:

/importu="%AccountName";f="%FolderName";...

to write a batch file should actually import mail to
the correct folder when that batch file is executed.

Perhaps there should be a %FullFolderName macro?

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Re: Limiting references in reply chains

[Anthony G. Atkielski]

Roelof Otten writes:

> Whereas changing
>
> Content-Type: text/plain;
> charset="UTF-8"
>
>
> into
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> made TB recognize the message as something encrypted with PGP. I don't
> think that's very odd, as I understand these matters PGP encrypted
> matters should be straight ascii, so claiming it to be UTF-8 won't
> help.

So why is it only happening now?  As far as I know, the sender of the
message has not changed his Outlook Express settings.

I looked at some earlier messages from him that did get recognized as
PGP, and they contained:

Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"

I don't know why it changed.  Any ideas?

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Re: Limiting references in reply chains

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Anthony,

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:35:01 +0200GMT (23-10-2004, 15:35 +0200, where
I live), you wrote:

AGA> http://www.atkielski.com/ref.txt

AGA> This is a copy of the message.  Notice all the Reference lines.  Now, TB
AGA> didn't recognize the PGP message in the message body, whereas it usually
AGA> does.  I was just wondering if the number of reference lines and the
AGA> failure to recognize the PGP stuff were related (in previous messages
AGA> exchanged with this correspondent, the PGP stuff was recognized by TB).

I saved the message to disk and did some testing.
Deleting the references didn't make TB recognizing the message as a
PGP encrypted something

Whereas changing

Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="UTF-8"


into

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

made TB recognize the message as something encrypted with PGP. I don't
think that's very odd, as I understand these matters PGP encrypted
matters should be straight ascii, so claiming it to be UTF-8 won't
help.

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Re: Access violation when moving folders for rules

[Anthony G. Atkielski]

Alexander S. Kunz writes:

> The average techsupp person has checklists to annoy callers who know whats
> going on... :)

The vast majority of callers to tech support don't know what they are
doing, and there's no way to tell which callers _do_ know what they are
doing.  Not going through the checklist is an excellent way to waste
huge amounts of time chasing after details when the solution to the
problem is staring one right in the face.  It works for NASA; it will
work for everyone else.

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Re: Template for replies

[Dan Grunberg]

Here's a very straight forward reply template, that gives the date,
time and author of the original message:

%REM="BEGIN REPLY TEMPLATE"%-
On %ODATE at %OTIME %OFROMNAME said:

+++ QUOTE ++ QUOTE ++ QUOTE ++ QUOTE +++
%TEXT
++ ENDQUOTE +++ ENDQUOTE +++ ENDQUOTE +++ ENDQUOTE +

%CURSOR%-
%REM="END REPLY TEMPLATE"%-




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Re: Access violation when moving folders for rules

[Mica Mijatovic]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sat, 23 Oct 2004,
   @  @  at 19:35:34 +0200, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote
 to Anthony G. Atkielski & everyone else,
 therefore including Me as well:

> Hello Anthony G. Atkielski & everyone else

> 23-Okt-2004 08:27, you wrote:

>> That's why pilots have checklists

> The average techsupp person has checklists to annoy callers who know whats
> going on... :)

Pilots also have idiot boxes all over the globe. They are called
"airports".

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Re: Need help restoring TheBat!

[Mica Mijatovic]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sat, 23 Oct 2004,
   @  @  at 19:21:52 +0200, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

> Hello Bill McCarthy & everyone else

Hello Alexander S. Kunz & all interested in topic.

> 23-Okt-2004 19:09, you wrote:

>> If I have to reinstall the OS or move to another
>> computer, do I really have to install TheBat! at all?

> You'd miss the entries in control panel | add/remove programs to
> uninstall/repair the program - I don't know if TB's new MSI installer will
> detect an existing installation for update/repair if it hasn't been
> "installed" with the MSI technique.

MSI installers one can open with Total Commander's plug-in, as any other
archive, so that is possible to install TB without installation, just if
you know where all files in MSI file have to be nestled in, which is
pretty easy when we deal with TB, still, and hence a de-installation can
be done without de-installation, just if you know what files you have to
delete, which is pretty easy when we deal with TB, still.

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Re: Need help restoring TheBat!

[Mica Mijatovic]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sat, 23 Oct 2004,
   @  @  at 12:09:23 -0500, when Bill McCarthy wrote:

> Like many of you, I regularly backup my program and
> data trees as well was the RIT reg tree - all to an
> external drive.

Good.

> If I have to reinstall the OS or move to another
> computer, do I really have to install TheBat! at all?

No.

> In other words, after I restore the backups of my
> program and mail trees, and click on the reg file to
> restore the registry entries, doesn't TB! run fine
> without being reinstalled?

TB! then runs fine without being reinstalled.

> Or is there other "secret things" that the installation
> performs or stores?

No. The installation is quite exoteric.

> BTW, when I moved from NC to TX a few months ago, I had
> a new laptop shipped to my new office.  I had only the
> mail store on CD.  I downloaded and installed TB! and,
> IIRC, had to set up an account during installation - I
> picked "Bill" - the same main account as stored in my
> mail store.  When TB! came up, I changed the mail
> directory (Options/Preferences/System), shut down TB!
> and restarted.

OK.

> All 9 of my accounts were back to normal - although I
> sure had of lot of fine tuning to do to get my
> customizations back - but that was a lot easier than
> flying back to NC to pick up the reg file I forgot to
> send myself :-)

Yep. That's a lot easier. (-:

You could upload perhaps some files on some site, for such situations. I
have entire chubby library done this way, just to avoid dragging of real
books with myself, if I feel need to read few lines here and there of
this and that, in this or that situation.

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Re: Access violation when moving folders for rules

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Anthony G. Atkielski & everyone else

23-Okt-2004 08:27, you wrote:

> That's why pilots have checklists

The average techsupp person has checklists to annoy callers who know whats
going on... :)

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Re: Need help restoring TheBat!

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Bill McCarthy & everyone else

23-Okt-2004 19:09, you wrote:

> If I have to reinstall the OS or move to another
> computer, do I really have to install TheBat! at all?

You'd miss the entries in control panel | add/remove programs to
uninstall/repair the program - I don't know if TB's new MSI installer will
detect an existing installation for update/repair if it hasn't been
"installed" with the MSI technique.

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Re: Need help restoring TheBat!

[Bill McCarthy]

On Sat 23-Oct-04 4:42am -0400, Roelof Otten wrote:

> Next time, save TB's registry settings.
> After installing you don't run TB, but restore your registry settings
> and then run TB, you'll find that it 'remembers' your accounts in that
> case.

Like many of you, I regularly backup my program and
data trees as well was the RIT reg tree - all to an
external drive.

If I have to reinstall the OS or move to another
computer, do I really have to install TheBat! at all?
In other words, after I restore the backups of my
program and mail trees, and click on the reg file to
restore the registry entries, doesn't TB! run fine
without being reinstalled?

Or is there other "secret things" that the installation
performs or stores?

BTW, when I moved from NC to TX a few months ago, I had
a new laptop shipped to my new office.  I had only the
mail store on CD.  I downloaded and installed TB! and,
IIRC, had to set up an account during installation - I
picked "Bill" - the same main account as stored in my
mail store.  When TB! came up, I changed the mail
directory (Options/Preferences/System), shut down TB!
and restarted.

All 9 of my accounts were back to normal - although I
sure had of lot of fine tuning to do to get my
customizations back - but that was a lot easier than
flying back to NC to pick up the reg file I forgot to
send myself :-)

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Re: Fedora and TB!

[Andre Wichartz]

Hello Chris,

Friday, October 22, 2004, 1:54:22 AM, you wrote:

> You may have to jump through some hoops to get The Bat! to install
> until COO or WINE supports MSI installers.

As Kara is still using v2 that shouldn't be a problem.

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Re: Limiting references in reply chains

[Mary Bull]

Hello Anthony!

On Saturday, October 23, 2004, 8:36 AM, you wrote:

MB>> So why is this an annoyance to Anthony? Is he making a practice of
MB>> viewing all his messages with F9?

AGA> I only looked with F9 to try to figure out why TB had not recognized the
AGA> PGP message in the message body and put a pushbutton on the message
AGA> window (usually it sees it and puts up a button so that I can easily
AGA> check the message and decode it).  The only weird thing I saw in the
AGA> headers was the number of references, unless there's something else
AGA> unusual about it.

The number of references is not weird. All the references *should* be
listed.

I think Roelof has answered your questions.

However, the way in which you worded your query confused some of the
rest of us, including me and Ian.

Thanks for explaining and for sending the URL to illustrate what you
were talking about.

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Re: Limiting references in reply chains

[Mary Bull]

Hello Anthony!

On Saturday, October 23, 2004, 8:29 AM, you wrote:

MB>> If this is not what you mean, please explain further. What line
MB>> in the headers are you referring to?

AGA> The "References:" header field. It consists of 29 lines with
AGA> references to all previous messages (via the back-and-forth
AGA> replying I've been doing with my correspondent). ...

Thanks. I understand this now, partly, from the replies of others to
this thread.

However, I see 29 lines only when I view a message in the
Specials/View Source menu of "View Folder TBUDL."

When I view this message from you in "View Folder TBUDL" by selecting
your message from the Message List, I see only one Message ID in the
header line "Follow-up," which is what The Bat! calls References in
later versions of TB! (from about v. 2.xx on).

Only when I am Replying, using the "Edit Mail Message" window do I see
multiple References (Message IDs) on the Follow-up line in the Headers
displayed in this window. And there, I see only two, followed by an
ellipsis: ...

Like this:

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

AGA> Each reference line looks like this:

AGA> =?UTF-8?B?DMODwqfDgsK/w4LCvwQgICAgICAgICAgIMODwqDDg+KAmCAoNCAgIMOCwr/Dgw==?=

So, I'd like to know: Are you reading all your messages using
The Bat!/View Folder/Specials/View Source (F9) ?

Or do you have 29 message ID headers listed in View Folder
Headers/Follow up?

That's the point at which I am still confused.

I don't see a problem when I read my messages by selecting from the
Message List in the folder.

And I think it is good to have the chain of messages show in View
Source, for ID purposes as well as--in the way mentioned by Roelof--to
keep threading happening properly.

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Re: Limiting references in reply chains

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Anthony G. Atkielski & everyone else

23-Okt-2004 15:35, you wrote:

> http://www.atkielski.com/ref.txt

Oh - Outlook Express produces UTF-8 encoded reference lines? That program
is always good for a surprise. :-)

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Re: Limiting references in reply chains

[Anthony G. Atkielski]

Mary Bull writes:

> So why is this an annoyance to Anthony? Is he making a practice of
> viewing all his messages with F9?

I only looked with F9 to try to figure out why TB had not recognized the
PGP message in the message body and put a pushbutton on the message
window (usually it sees it and puts up a button so that I can easily
check the message and decode it).  The only weird thing I saw in the
headers was the number of references, unless there's something else
unusual about it.

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Re: Limiting references in reply chains

[Anthony G. Atkielski]

Ian A. White writes:

> I think he wants to limit the number of steps back in the discussion
> in a message when replying without having to manually edit the quoted
> text.

Nope.  See

http://www.atkielski.com/ref.txt

This is a copy of the message.  Notice all the Reference lines.  Now, TB
didn't recognize the PGP message in the message body, whereas it usually
does.  I was just wondering if the number of reference lines and the
failure to recognize the PGP stuff were related (in previous messages
exchanged with this correspondent, the PGP stuff was recognized by TB).
The person at the other end uses PGP for encryption and encrypts and
signs manually in the message window with Ctrl-Shift-C before sending
the message.

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Re: Limiting references in reply chains

[Anthony G. Atkielski]

Mary Bull writes:

> If this is not what you mean, please explain further. What line in the
> headers are you referring to?

The "References:" header field.  It consists of 29 lines with references
to all previous messages (via the back-and-forth replying I've been
doing with my correspondent).  Each reference line looks like this:

=?UTF-8?B?DMODwqfDgsK/w4LCvwQgICAgICAgICAgIMODwqDDg+KAmCAoNCAgIMOCwr/Dgw==?=

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Re: Need help restoring TheBat!

[Mica Mijatovic]

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Hash: SHA1

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sat, 23 Oct 2004,
   @  @  at 00:31:44 -0500, when Lawrence Johnson wrote:

> I had to reload Windows OS (Win98SE) today.  I make it a practice to keep
> applications off the C: drive whenever possible, so that it is mostly
> a matter of getting the registry updated correctly.

Yea, I find it fine also. The OS on one partition, programs on another
one, and files/"documents" on a third one (a "Saint Trinity"). The more
"independence" of these three, the better.

> So, I have the data files for TheBat! intact on separate drive.  I'm
> currently a version of TheBat! on another machine in order to pick up
> email.

> I haven't been able to figure out how to re-install TheBat! and make
> the original data files accessible.  After re-install, TheBat! asks
> for a new account to be setup.  I would just as soon use all the old
> account information but I haven't found how I can direct TheBat! to
> use it.

You can direct it best by TB registry (.reg) file. If you save this
entry regularly, then it will contain the last "snap" of your TB
settings.

This .reg file will direct TB to your accounts (in Mail folder), and
these accounts will tell the further settings, specific for accounts,
folders, templates etc.

> Has anyone had to do something like this and can recommend an
> approach.

I do it daily (and often more than once). I also keep Mail folder on a
separate partition, and my TB folder also is not on default position.

For getting TB's registry entries faster I use a batch file with this
command inside:

regedit /e "X:\Mail\tb.reg" hkey_current_user\software\rit

and it just spits out tb.reg entry in my Mail folder on X partition.

I also am backing up entire TB folder, since it is much faster and
easier to just restore its last state then to install it again.

Folder Mail is also backed up, so if I have to restore all this TB
machinery, I have to do just 3 quick steps:

1) restoring Mail folder(s)
2) restoring TB folder
3) running tb.reg

and then just firing up TB. All my old settings are there, alive and
well, exactly as I had left them last time, and no any additional
"tweaking".

For backup I use ARJ (the command line utility, free for personal use)
via simple batch files. EG.:

regedit /e "X:\Mail\tb.reg" hkey_current_user\software\rit  # tbreg.bat

arj a -r -u e:\bkup\mail.arj X:\Mail\*.*# mail.bat

arj a -r -u "e:\bkup\thebat.arj" "x:\TheBat\*.*"# tb.bat

- --
Mica
PGP key uploaded at:  once just before breakfast
:happypiglet:
[Earth LOG: 52 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing]
OS: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium
and for TB sometimes Libranet (Linux) 2.8.1, via Cross Over Office
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Re: Limiting references in reply chains

[Arjan de Groot]

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 05:01:00 -0500, Mary Bull wrote:

>> I notice that the references are growing and growing in messages
>> that I exchange with other people via replies (I reply, he
>> replies, I reply, he replies). Is there any way to put an upper
>> limit on the number of references included in the headers for
>> continuing replies like this?

>If I've understood your question correctly you're talking about "Re:"
>numbering?

No, he's talking about the "References" headerline.

>If this is not what you mean, please explain further. What line in the
>headers are you referring to?

The References headerline is a list with Message-IDs from previous
messages in the thread. How the References headerline should be
implemented (in a mail- or newsclient) is described in the relevant
RFCs. If I remember correctly, a client should NOT remove Message-IDs
from References. On the other hand, a References headerline should NOT
exceed a total of 1024 characters.

I've forgoten exactly which RFCs deal with this subject (it has been a
long time since I read them). Maybe you could do a bit of research
yourself).


Arjan
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Re: Limiting references in reply chains

[Mary Bull]

Hello Allie!

On Saturday, October 23, 2004, 5:46 AM, you wrote:

MB>> I have only one line for References--The Bat! uses the word "Follow
MB>> up." And beyond a certain point, it just puts " ... " so therefore
MB>> it stays as one line.

AM> Just pick a message deep in a long thread.

AM> Hit F9 to bring up the message source. Look in the header
AM> information for the header 'References:'. Note the large number of
AM> message ids that are listed there.

Ah. The penny drops. But I never read my messages from "Specials-View
Source-F9." I look there only if I am having some problem.

So why is this an annoyance to Anthony? Is he making a practice of
viewing all his messages with F9?

Anthony? Are you?

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Mary
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Re: Limiting references in reply chains

[Mary Bull]

Hello Ian!

On Saturday, October 23, 2004, 5:28 AM, you wrote:

AGA I notice that the references are growing and growing ...

RO>>> Yep, that's the way it's intended.

MB>> ... I don't know what he is talking about, dozens of Reference
MB>> lines in the Headers.

IAW> I think he wants to limit the number of steps back in the
IAW> discussion in a message when replying without having to manually
IAW> edit the quoted text.

Well, but in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] he refers to
"dozens of lines." Quote, Anthony:

"...They aren't encrypted, but I thought that maybe the dozens of lines of
references in the header could be breaking something..."

IAW> In this case there is AGA>>>, then RO>>, then MB>. Of course, this
IAW> would be increased by my message if you choose to reply :grin:

Yeah. :rofl2: But he specifically talks about "Headers" in all his
posts to this thread, including the originating one.

I wanted to mention, also: For me, this follow-up chain is only in my
Edit Mail Message window. In the View Folder window for reading
messages, only the latest mid is displayed in the Follow-up header.

If he means the quoting behavior in the message body, he is not making
that clear to me. I asked him to clarify, but he hasn't replied. :)

IAW> There will be those for and those against, and I know of one
IAW> individual in a newsgroup who would be extremely annoyed with
IAW> such a limitation as he uses such quoting to intimidate those
IAW> participating in a discussion.

I like The Bat!'s behavior in this respect just the way it is. :)

But I don't wish to intimidate anyone. lol

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Re: Limiting references in reply chains

[Allie Martin]

On Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 5:12:01 AM [GMT -0500], Mary Bull
wrote:

> I don't know what he is talking about, dozens of Reference lines in
> the Headers.

> I have only one line for References--The Bat! uses the word "Follow
> up." And beyond a certain point, it just puts " ... " so therefore
> it stays as one line.

Just pick a message deep in a long thread.

Hit F9 to bring up the message source. Look in the header information
for the header 'References:'. Note the large number of message ids
that are listed there.

-- 
-= Allie =-
. Know God...know peace. No God...no peace.
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Re: Limiting references in reply chains

[Mary Bull]

Hello Roelof!

On Saturday, October 23, 2004, 4:37 AM, you wrote:

AGA>> I notice that the references are growing and growing in messages
AGA>> that I exchange with other people via replies (I reply, he
AGA>> replies, I reply, he replies).

RO> Yep, that's the way it's intended.

Roelof, I answered Anthony before this further exchange between the
two of you came in here.

I don't know what he is talking about, dozens of Reference lines in
the Headers.

I have only one line for References--The Bat! uses the word "Follow
up." And beyond a certain point, it just puts " ... " so therefore it
stays as one line.

Is this a default setting that I simply don't know where to set? Would
having that little ellipsis be a help to Anthony, if there is a place
to set it? I see why he doesn't like dozens of lines growing down his
header section--soon wouldn't be much room for the message body to be
displayed!

Or am I being particularly dense once again? :)

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Mary
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Re: Limiting references in reply chains

[Mary Bull]

Hello Anthony!

On Saturday, October 23, 2004, 1:29 AM, you wrote:

AGA> I notice that the references are growing and growing in messages
AGA> that I exchange with other people via replies (I reply, he
AGA> replies, I reply, he replies). Is there any way to put an upper
AGA> limit on the number of references included in the headers for
AGA> continuing replies like this?

If I've understood your question correctly you're talking about "Re:"
numbering?

Go to Account/Properties/Templates/Reply and untick the box that says
"Use Reply numbering in the subject line."

If this is not what you mean, please explain further. What line in the
headers are you referring to?

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Mary
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Re: Limiting references in reply chains

[Anthony G. Atkielski]

Roelof Otten writes:

> Can't imagine why that should be. The headers aren't encrypted, after
> all. Do you have any examples?

They aren't encrypted, but I thought that maybe the dozens of lines of
references in the header could be breaking something that parses the
message looking for PGP (the PGP block is in the message body).  I'll
have to try to find an example.

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Re: Need help restoring TheBat!

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Lawrence,

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 00:31:44 -0500GMT (23-10-2004, 7:31 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

LJ> I haven't been able to figure out how to re-install TheBat! and make
LJ> the original data files accessible.  After re-install, TheBat! asks
LJ> for a new account to be setup.  I would just as soon use all the old
LJ> account information but I haven't found how I can direct TheBat! to
LJ> use it.

Pick new account.
Select the same mail directory as you had before.
When you're prompted for an account name just enter the name you used
before. Do this for all of your accounts.
When you don't remember the names for your accounts, check the
directory names for your account directories, they're the same.

Next time, save TB's registry settings.
After installing you don't run TB, but restore your registry settings
and then run TB, you'll find that it 'remembers' your accounts in that
case.

-- 
Groetjes, Roelof

Endless Loop: (n) See Loop, Endless

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Re: Limiting references in reply chains

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Anthony,

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 08:29:21 +0200GMT (23-10-2004, 8:29 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

AGA> I notice that the references are growing and growing in messages that I
AGA> exchange with other people via replies (I reply, he replies, I reply, he
AGA> replies).

Yep, that's the way it's intended.

AGA> Is there any way to put an upper limit on the number of
AGA> references included in the headers for continuing replies like
AGA> this?

Not that I'm aware of, cutting the references might interfere with
proper threading when you lose messages in the thread.

AGA> I think it may be related to something else I've noticed, in which the
AGA> PGP encrypted message in the body is not being recognized by TB, but I'm
AGA> not sure.

Can't imagine why that should be. The headers aren't encrypted, after
all. Do you have any examples?

-- 
Groetjes, Roelof

What youth deemed crystal, age finds was dew.

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Re[2]: Clicking on URL in TB! Opens Firefox Twice

[Francis Dhumes]

Hello list,

FD> Attached the .reg file to fix it.

I didn't notice that the .reg was not posted.

Here is it:

REGEDIT4
[-HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\HTTP\shell\open\ddeexec]
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\HTTP\shell\open\ddeexec\Application] ""="FIREFOX"
[-HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\https\shell\open\ddeexec]
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\https\shell\open\ddeexec\Application] ""="FIREFOX"
[-HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\ftp\shell\open\ddeexec]
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\ftp\shell\open\ddeexec\Application] ""="FIREFOX"
[-HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\gopher\shell\open\ddeexec]
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\gopher\shell\open\ddeexec\Application] ""="FIREFOX"

Copy and past it into a .reg file.
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Cordialement,
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