Re: Move From 3.01 Home to 3.01 Pro
Hallo Mary, On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 19:17:04 -0600GMT (1-11-2004, 2:17 +0100, where I live), you wrote: MB Roelof, what about the hardware token capability? It's my MB understanding that it is already written into the Pro version, and on MB November 30 further improvements will be available. Currently the .exe for both editions is identical and I've been led to believe that will continue to be so. As a beta tester yourself you should be aware that for testing purposes only one .exe is released, to be tested by pro and home users. -- Groetjes, Roelof If at first you don't succeed, you must be using Windows. The Bat! 3.0.2.4 Rush Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgp1MwT3edDis.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: Localhost Help Needed
Hallo Keith, On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:37:43 -0700GMT (1-11-2004, 4:37 +0100, where I live), you wrote: KR I intended to post this to another list. I wondered why it hadn't KR appeared there, so I finally did a search and discovered it in KR TBUDL. I don't know HOW I managed to do that, but I do surprise KR myself sometimes Self addressing folder template? -- Groetjes, Roelof Encyclopedias for sale. Never used. I know everything. The Bat! 3.0.2.4 Rush Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgprBsCroCPse.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Auto Backup
Hallo vleermuisjes, I would like TB! to automatically make full backups of it's message base and setting at regular intervals. How can that be accomplished? -- Best regards, Tony As I said before, I never repeat myself. Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spell checker
Hi
On Sunday, 31 October, 2004, at 7:00:32 AM, Tony wrote:
M I get very odd suggestions for spellchecker, including
M Seychelles and belched. I am using British English,
I get those suggestions too but only under 'suggest more'
'suggest more' almost works like an anagram solver :)
I was getting them without using suggest more unless I selected
Suggest split words.
M yet I also
M get paycheck (which should be pay cheque).
According to my paper dictionary it should be paycheck.
Also according this on-line dictionary http://www.m-w.com/
Mirriam-Webster Online is an _American_ dictionary.
http://www.freesearch.co.uk/dictionary defines paycheck as noun
{C} US FOR pay packet
For my level of English the spell checker comes close to perfection.
It's probably ok for somebody whose first language is not English.
The British English spellchecker was suggesting Americanisation
of so many correctly spelt English words that I had to install an
alternative dictionary file in order to use it.
I hope RitLabs is also considering grammar checking.
I've seen it in MS Word.
But not in Outlook Express. You could copy/paste from a word
processor into an email client.
It's far from perfect
Definitely.
but does detect a fair number of errors.
And also regularly suggests changing perfectly clear, correctly
constructed sentences into complete nonsense.
--
Best regards,
MFPAmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Auto Backup
Hallo Tony, On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:50:58 +0100GMT (1-11-2004, 9:50 +0100, where I live), you wrote: T I would like TB! to automatically make full backups of it's message base T and setting at regular intervals. Currently TB's scheduler doesn't support automatic back-ups, nor can TB be set to make a back-up from the commandline. Your best option would be to make your back-ups with some third party tool that either can be run from the commandline (and therefore from the Windows scheduler) or that has some scheduling of its own. -- Groetjes, Roelof Say 95*, Wish I Never Ditched Other Working Software. The Bat! 3.0.2.4 Rush Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpLzdfqxX3DV.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Move From 3.01 Home to 3.01 Pro
Hello Roelof! On Monday, November 01, 2004, 2:25 AM, you wrote: RO Currently the .exe for both editions is identical and I've been RO led to believe that will continue to be so. As a beta tester RO yourself you should be aware that for testing purposes only one RO .exe is released, to be tested by pro and home users. I knew the part about the .exe in the beta releases, but I thought the comparison chart of the Home and Pro versions on the RitLabs website page meant there was something different about my installation which is conserved. I do see one thing conserved through all my beta installations: Checking Help/About, the image of The Bat!'s document says Professional Edition just above the current version number. So where in the TB! directory should I see the file which puts this up? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.0.2.4 Rush on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Move From 3.01 Home to 3.01 Pro
Hi Mary, Professional Edition just above the current version number. So where in the TB! directory should I see the file which puts this up? There is no file, it is the registration key that you use. The key is stored in the registry. -- Regards, Raymund Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Auto Backup
Hello Tony, I would like TB! to automatically make full backups of it's message base and setting at regular intervals. How can that be accomplished? The best I've found for that, and that I regularly use, is Second Copy 2000 (http://www.centered.com/), but there may be other options I have not explored. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.4 Rush Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Move From 3.01 Home to 3.01 Pro
Hello Group On Sunday, October 31, 2004, 10:39:37 PM, wrote: MB Hello Michael! MB In the absolute worst case of a non-working application--highly MB unlikely scenario--you can get help here on tbudl. Many very MB experienced people read here and are happy to try to help. I am sure Michael will be relieved to hear that if his email client doesn't work he can get email support here :-) -- Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK :Jeff_Gaines: Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Forum post: IMAP issues keeping me from upgrading
Hi all, I posted the following on the forum and someone suggested I'd get more feedback posting it in this mailing list: I have been a The Bat! user for years now, paid for a licence and upgraded when v2 arrived. For a few months now I've switchen from retrieving a number of seperate accounts on multiple computers to one imap account that retrieves the mail, which I access through the Bat. Since then the IMAP support in The Bat has been irritating me to no end. With v3 I was reluctant to upgrade and am now running the trail on a PC I was using Mozilla Thunderbird on before, which I was considering using as my primary email client, despite some lacking features (filtering, templates, etc). There are a few issues that are still present in the Bat v3 that are keeping me from upgrading: - new mail issues. I enabled play sound on new mail and the animation for detection of new mail. However when new mail arrives in my imap acount in a subfolder, instead of the folder being bold with a 1 behind it, there is a *, which does indicate unread mail but does not affect the animation, so I still don't know there's new mail. The sound doesn't seem to work at all and if it did I'd still want to have the animation working if, say, I was not at my desk when the mail arrived and when I get back I could still see that there's new/unread mail. This is properly supported in Mozilla Thunderbird. - all this wouldn't be all that bad if the Mail Ticker settings (and other folder settings for that matter) would be inherited by the subfolders. I use folder for different email addresses, and subfolder for things such as different customers. When I set an identity for the main folder, I have to set them for each of the subfolders as well. Highly time consuming. Same goes for the mail ticker setting. Can't there at least be an option to select whether or not you want the settings to be applied to the subfolders? If someone from the Ritlabs team can give me some satisfactory answers to these remarks, I'll probably upgrade to v3. Otherwise I'd seriously be considering switching to Thunderbird. Best regards, Karin van den Berg Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Move From 3.01 Home to 3.01 Pro
Hello Raymund! On Monday, November 01, 2004, 5:50 AM, you wrote: MB Professional Edition just above the current version number. So MB where in the TB! directory should I see the file which puts this MB up? RTT There is no file, it is the registration key that you use. The RTT key is stored in the registry. Thanks. Glad to get all this cleared up in my mind. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.0.2.4 Rush on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Move From 3.01 Home to 3.01 Pro
Hello Jeff! On Monday, November 01, 2004, 6:19 AM, you wrote: MB In the absolute worst case of a non-working application--highly MB unlikely scenario--you can get help here on tbudl. Many very MB experienced people read here and are happy to try to help. JG I am sure Michael will be relieved to hear that if his email JG client doesn't work he can get email support here Happy to be a source of amusement. lol But, I thought--he sounds pretty able, technically--that he could do as others have done, write in using an adjunct e-mail client or using a webmail facility. :) Meanwhile, I find, from all my knowledgeable friends here, that he doesn't need to install the Pro .exe, as it is identical to the Home .exe in every way. But I am still puzzled as to how he will put his Pro key in, when he receives it--if I had paid $6 or 6 euros or whatever it was, extra for the Upgrade, I would want my Help/About at the very least to say: Professional Edition. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! (Professional Edition) 3.0.2.4 Rush on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Move From 3.01 Home to 3.01 Pro
Hello Group On Monday, November 1, 2004, 12:54:38 PM, wrote: MB But I am still puzzled as to how he will put his Pro key in, when he MB receives it--if I had paid $6 or 6 euros or whatever it was, extra for MB the Upgrade, I would want my Help/About at the very least to say: MB Professional Edition. :) Perhaps it depends on the key? Mine says Professional Edition. -- Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK :Jeff_Gaines: Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Move From 3.01 Home to 3.01 Pro
Hello Mary! On Monday, November 01, 2004, 6:54 AM, you wrote: JG I am sure Michael will be relieved to hear that if his email JG client doesn't work he can get email support here Jeff, I'm sorry for not quoting your Smiley--I did see it and it made me smile. I am fighting a bug which seems local to me, in which: Using RTV and MicroEd, and quoting at least two adjacent lines with a Smiley at the end, using the Shift/Arrow icon in the Main window, the Smiley does not appear in the Edit Mail Message window. Failed to notice that before sending. Sorry for my poor proofreading skills. :( I've reported my problem at Bug Tracker. It's a beta thing. MB Happy to be a source of amusement. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! (Professional Edition) beta v. 3.0.2.4 Rush on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Move From 3.01 Home to 3.01 Pro
Hello Jeff! On Monday, November 01, 2004, 6:58 AM, you wrote: MB But I am still puzzled as to how he will put his Pro key in, when MB he receives it--if I had paid $6 or 6 euros or whatever it was, MB extra for the Upgrade, I would want my Help/About at the very MB least to say: Professional Edition. :) JG Perhaps it depends on the key? Mine says Professional Edition. How will he get his key in, when he receives it, if he does not do an Installation, but just stays with the Home .exe (which is, of course, identical to the Pro .exe) ? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! (Professional Edition) beta v. 3.0.2.4 Rush on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Move From 3.01 Home to 3.01 Pro
Hallo Mary, On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 06:54:38 -0600GMT (1-11-2004, 13:54 +0100, where I live), you wrote: MB But I am still puzzled as to how he will put his Pro key in, when he MB receives it--if I had paid $6 or 6 euros or whatever it was, extra for MB the Upgrade, I would want my Help/About at the very least to say: MB Professional Edition. :) That goes all by itself, he receives the pro key, selects it. Help - Enter registration code and he's done and so is the help/about. -- Groetjes, Roelof Taglines: bumper stickers for computer nerds. The Bat! 3.0.2.4 Rush Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpd3OgvDhvLp.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Move From 3.01 Home to 3.01 Pro
Hello Roelof! On Monday, November 01, 2004, 7:08 AM, you wrote: MB But I am still puzzled as to how he will put his Pro key in, when MB he receives it--if I had paid $6 or 6 euros or whatever it was, MB extra for the Upgrade, I would want my Help/About at the very MB least to say: Professional Edition. :) RO That goes all by itself, he receives the pro key, selects it. RO Help - Enter registration code RO and he's done and so is the help/about. Thanks. Please excuse my persistent curiosity. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! (Professional Edition) beta v. 3.0.2.4 Rush on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML displaying in V.3.01
Hello John, On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:35:43 +1100 GMT (01/11/2004, 08:35 +0700 GMT), John Phillips wrote: Are you sure you are seeing HTML versions, or are these users posting in TUF, causing TB to switch to the RTV by default? ^^^ UTF JP Still get this problem from Chinese senders. Not sure what you means by JP above, can you explain further? (Technically challenged!) When TB receives a message in unicode (UTF-8 being the currently most popular version), the plain-text viewer is out of its league and TB will switch automatically to the richt-text viewer. This would look like you are seeing an HTML version of a plain-text message, but it's not HTML. Hit F9 and see whether you find something like this in the headers: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 -- Cheers, Thomas. If you lived in your car, you'd be home in no time. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.4 Rush under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Move From 3.01 Home to 3.01 Pro
Mary, Monday, November 1, 2004, 8:05:22 AM, you wrote: MB Hello Jeff! MB On Monday, November 01, 2004, 6:58 AM, you wrote: MB But I am still puzzled as to how he will put his Pro key in, when MB he receives it--if I had paid $6 or 6 euros or whatever it was, MB extra for the Upgrade, I would want my Help/About at the very MB least to say: Professional Edition. :) JG Perhaps it depends on the key? Mine says Professional Edition. MB How will he get his key in, when he receives it, if he does not do an MB Installation, but just stays with the Home .exe (which is, of course, MB identical to the Pro .exe) ? Well, I copied the (Pro) key that I had received and chose Help, Enter Registration Code. TheBat! took the code and properly added it. I now have 'Professional Edition' listed in my About screen. So the comments about the program being the same and the registration key denoting the version appear to be correct. Thanks to all for your comments. -- Michael Rudnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 3.0.1.33 on Windows 5.1 (2600) Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Move From 3.01 Home to 3.01 Pro
Hello Michael! On Monday, November 01, 2004, 7:39 AM, you wrote: MB How will he get his key in, when he receives it, if he does not MB do an Installation, but just stays with the Home .exe (which is, MB of course, identical to the Pro .exe) ? MR Well, I copied the (Pro) key that I had received and chose Help, MR Enter Registration Code. TheBat! took the code and properly added MR it. I now have 'Professional Edition' listed in my About screen. MR So the comments about the program being the same and the MR registration key denoting the version appear to be correct. I am so pleased to hear this. After two years, I am still virtually a rank newbie, but always interested in sharing what I think that I know and always wanting to get everything clear in my head. I think the Moderators and long-time subscribers may be getting used to me, by now. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! (Professional Edition) beta v. 3.0.2.4 Rush on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Auto Backup
Hello Tony, Monday, November 1, 2004, 2:50:58 AM, you wrote: T Hallo vleermuisjes, T I would like TB! to automatically make full backups of it's message base T and setting at regular intervals. T How can that be accomplished? For a free option try Replicator from Karen Kenworthy. You can find it here: http://www.karenware.com/powertools.asp . It will do backups at specified times. -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.4 Rush on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
URL bug (was: Re: Auto Backup)
MAU, On 01-11-2004 12:57, you [M] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: M (http://www.centered.com/) I see the URL selection bug is back - my browser tried to open http://www.centered.com/) - with the parenthesis. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.0.1.33 Pro /thebat version env. ~18 POP3, 1 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 150K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 /os Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: URL bug (was: Re: Auto Backup)
Hello Peter Fjelsten everyone else 01-Nov-2004 15:23, you wrote: M (http://www.centered.com/) I see the URL selection bug is back - my browser tried to open http://www.centered.com/) - with the parenthesis. Interesting thing is that it works when quoted! :-) Maybe TB detects the slash and expects some more - because (http://www.centered.com) without the slash works. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using TB! v3.0.2.4 Rush on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 I have traveled the length and breadth of this country and talked with the best people, and I can assure you that data processing is a fad that won't last out the year. -- The editor in charge of business books for Prentice Hall, 1957 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Compressing Folders on Exit
Hello tbudl, I've got an installation with about 10,000 messages. I once selected Compress Folders on Exit from Account/Properties/Options and discovered that it took a LONG time to exit The Bat! So, I unchecked the box, but it didn't take. It still is going through the compression routine every time I exit. Am I missing something? -- Best regards, Steve We are called the nation of inventors. And we are. We could still claim that title and wear its loftiest honors if we had stopped with the first thing we invented, which was human liberty. - Mark Twain TB! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Auto Backup
Hello Tony, On Monday, November 01, 2004 at 09:50:58 GMT +0100 (which was 09:50:58 where I live), Tony wrote and made these valuable points on the subject of Auto Backup: Hallo vleermuisjes, I would like TB! to automatically make full backups of it's message base and setting at regular intervals. How can that be accomplished? A very good one and (the best of all) freeware: http://www.2brightsparks.com/syncback/syncback-hub.html -- Best regards, Dick It's is not, it isn't ain't, and it's it's, not its, if you mean it is. If you don't, it's its. Then too, it's hers. It isn't her's. It isn't our's either. It's ours, and likewise yours and theirs.-- Oxford University Press, Edpress News Using The Bat! v3.0.2.4 Rush + BayesIt! 0.7.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Compressing Folders on Exit
Hallo Steve, On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 08:40:51 -0800GMT (1-11-2004, 17:40 +0100, where I live), you wrote: ST I've got an installation with about 10,000 messages. I once ST selected Compress Folders on Exit from Account/Properties/Options ST and discovered that it took a LONG time to exit The Bat! So, I ST unchecked the box, but it didn't take. It still is going through ST the compression routine every time I exit. Am I missing something? Did you set 'Compress on exit' in the folder properties? That doesn't care about the general option. Apart from that 1 msgs isn't that much in a setup. However, what matters is how you got them divided into folders. Here's what I recently wrote to somebody at the Ritlabs TB forum: Reducing your messagebase is easy, just delete messages. However, you mentioned that you can't miss lots of your messages, so the best way is to store old messages in separate folders. It may seem odd, but it's not the total size of your message base that determines the time needed, but it's the size of the folders that are being compressed. Let's first explain what compressing is. When you delete/move a message from a folder, the message won't really disappear from your folder, it's only marked as deleted. (That's why you can browse through the deleted messages) When you compress a folder, TB checks whether there are deleted messages and when there are any TB will compress it it, while it'll do nothing when there aren't any deleted messages. Resuming: a 20 MB folder without deleted messages wont take any time. A 50 kB folder with 100 deleted messages won't take much time, since it won't need much time to build it up. But a 10 MB folder with one delete message will take the most time. When you look into TB's directory structure on disk, you'll see that subfolders are separate directories with their own message base. So when you'd like to keep your regular storing system, you simply create a couple of subfolders called archive (or whatever) and move your oldest messages into them. The first time you set out to compress your messagebase after this, it'll take some time, but you'll find it'll be better the next time. Note that it isn't just the number of messages and their that makes a messagebase big, but also the number of attachments and their size. I've got this one folder with the setting to keep messages for 365 days and it was really slow in maintenance while exiting, even though it just had less than 100 messages, but every month I'm getting a Word document attached in that folder and some of those attachments were really huge like filesizes of 35 MB, due to the inefficiency of MIME encoding that makes those messages something like 50 MB. So that made a huge folder of 250 MB, considering that my folder with the most messages (23000) is only 82 MB. What I did was keeping those attachments as separate files and delete them from the messages, that was quite an improvement in speed when compressing. That leaves us to the Inbox. All of your received messages come in the Inbox, from where they'll be filtered to other folders or manually transported. In order to speed up compressing of your Inbox, you'd better not keep a real amount of messages in it (or lots of attachments), especially since the Inbox a high traffic folder is easily corrupted. (I've never had any troubles with it, but I've heard lots of people complainingabout it, especially those who keep almost everything in it.) These are the guidelines for proper folder use as I see them. I hope it helps. BTW Even though TB supports (depending on your OS) folder message base larger than 2 GB, a folder that big is never a good idea. -- Groetjes, Roelof Windws is ine for bckgroun comunicaions- Bll Gats, 192 The Bat! 3.0.2.4 Rush Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpxZEsr9RYlP.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Auto Backup
Hello, Thanks to all who responded with many links. So just backing up does the trick? I remember doing that before a reinstall but that only got me back my messages. All other settings where lost. I now see that I wrote message base where I should have written message base plus all settings. Thanks for the feedback Monday, November 1, 2004, 5:34:27 AM, you wrote: DH Hello Tony, DH On Monday, November 01, 2004 at 09:50:58 GMT +0100 (which was 09:50:58 DH where I live), Tony wrote and made these valuable points on the subject of DH Auto Backup: Hallo vleermuisjes, I would like TB! to automatically make full backups of it's message base and setting at regular intervals. How can that be accomplished? DH A very good one and (the best of all) freeware: DH http://www.2brightsparks.com/syncback/syncback-hub.html -- Best regards, Tony If a transport truck carrying a load of cars gets into a car accident, does it increase the number of the cars in the pile-up? Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Forum post: IMAP issues keeping me from upgrading
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Mon, 1 Nov 2004, @ @ at 13:13:15 +0100, when Karin van den Berg wrote: If someone from the Ritlabs team can give me some satisfactory answers to these remarks, I'll probably upgrade to v3. Otherwise I'd seriously be considering switching to Thunderbird. I've been reading lately that they prefer a... friendly forums, that is when addressing consists from listing features which work properly, while expressing frustration coming from lousy working of buggy features is not very welcomed. (-: Also, I have impression that they are particularly sensitive if a comment, or an expression of frustration, is shaped, or is just crowned, in a form of blackmail. (: In essence, using some software, or not, comes from our estimations, which might be good ones and bad ones. When we experience frustration, then it is mostly because of our bad estimation. (: (For instance, when we expect tech support, bug fixes etc.) I'll try to be more clear, although it's not always possible to me, so I then have to use more words than is needed, and will say this this way: If something nasty arise because of *my* bad estimation, then I am *happy* because I *can* correct it myself. While if something comes caused by reasons which are not accessible to me personally, then any attempt of mine in correcting it can be so often just a pain and nothing but the pain. (One form of a such pain would consist from desperate attempts of getting something we do not posses personally, like tech support from others and similar.) I mean, those are some reasons why a flattering has, in general, more chance than blackmailing, although an openness to different approaches might bring good results as well. The Great Master have said once that patience is Mother of all successful waiting, but also that if we have to do something boring, like going for provision in a distant store, if we do something interesting along the way, as kicking a football, or similar, then we may totally change the feeling followed by this boring activity, and even enjoy. That was the reason I still kick the version 2.12.00 along the way and am waiting until version 3 is *finished* and is *fully working*, since it still is *not*. If I would think it IS, and if I would expect it as it is *announced*, then it would be just my bad estimation. (: - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast o [Earth LOG: 61 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OS: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1 UMSDOS Linux; and, for TB sometimes Libranet (Linux) 2.8.1, via Cross Over Office -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBhnVr9q62QPd3XuIRAgvGAJ91RaoC3UVRg530FcIH4BgcFWQ5dwCdHcKO yNI1YqUmup1im6ksso4IMwQ= =VbIU -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Auto Backup
Hallo Tony, On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 18:34:16 -0800GMT (2-11-2004, 3:34 +0100, where I live), you wrote: T So just backing up does the trick? T I remember doing that before a reinstall but that only got me back my T messages. All other settings where lost. T I now see that I wrote message base where I should have written T message base plus all settings. Most settings are stored in the mail directory, though some of them are stored in the registry. You can automate the saving of your registry setting with a commandline like this: c:\windows\regedit.exe /e c:\thebat.reg HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT adapt the path and the output file so that they fit for your local settings. When you store the .reg file in your mail directory, it'll tag along with your back-up. -- Groetjes, Roelof A liberal is one who lies about the past, and then tries to repeat it The Bat! 3.0.2.4 Rush Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpTNBARb8TSB.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Top posting (was: Auto Backup)
Hallo Tony, On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 18:34:16 -0800GMT (2-11-2004, 3:34 +0100, where I live), you wrote: T Thanks for the feedback T Monday, November 1, 2004, 5:34:27 AM, you wrote: DH Hello Tony, DH On Monday, November 01, 2004 at 09:50:58 GMT +0100 (which was 09:50:58 moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Tony. ' This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message and b) It encourages excessive quoting. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one part of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- Groetjes, Roelof It is meaningless to speak of domesticating a child. The Bat! 3.0.2.4 Rush Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgprLCQr2zqnK.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Auto Backup
Hello Tony, Thanks to all who responded with many links. If you care to try Second Copy 2000 then you may be interested in taking a look to my mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: Re: Eleven clicks for a full backup on Mon, 18 Oct 2004. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.4 Rush Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Auto Backup
Hi Tony I would like TB! to automatically make full backups of it's message base and setting at regular intervals. How can that be accomplished? http://www.grsoftware.net/backup/software/grbackpro.html GRBackPro is great and runs as a service but it is licenced, which is not a problem for me. -- Neal Laugman Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 and BayesIt! 0.7.3 on Win2000 SP4 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Difference(s) Between The Bat! 3.0's Two Versions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Fri, 15 Oct 2004, @ @ at 22:46:15 -0500, when David M. Dickerson wrote: Hello, Mica! David. On Wednesday, 13 October 2004, Mica Mijatovic wrote: MM ...Ah, I forgot to add: between ethics and health, I always choose MM health. Although I did not understand some parts of your post, Mica (forgive me), I never would try to tell another person which flavor of The Bat! she or he is ethically or legally entitled to use. Each of us is free to choose, of course, and I am just trying to make a decision based upon my own set of criteria. Absolutely correct POW IMHO. If my message sounded differently then it's not most probably written in an adequate way. Such a decision is a personal one. Absolutely. The very same I tried to depict but it simply didn't work. I accept it as my fault and my lack of eloquence. As I say, the people who run major shareware companies in Ukraine and Russia, and use the personal edition of The Bat! are good friends of mine, and I make no judgements. The fact that they use the personal edition is of no concern to me. I see. Which edition *I* decide to register and use (despite personal difficult economic times right now) is, of course, my concern. Well, yes, you are right. As we say in English, I was thinking out loud in my post to TBUDL about my personal ethics and which edition of The Bat! I should register. I guess that this thinking out loud of yours was the reason I misunderstood it as a wish for a communication, since this thinking appeared on a public list. I am sincerely sorry if I did interrupt it and bumped in just so bluntly, and since people here also have exactly same expression, I fully understand possible effects coming from the flexible threshold of the speech. Given the lack of a manual for The Bat! and the situation with user support, users of The Bat!, regardless of which edition they use, need very important resources such as TBUDL. Yes, I agree. This is still most valuable place as to the tech support, and definitely quite unique, since it is maintained by the users themselves to the surprising degree, if not even in its entirety. I personally feel that a strong sense of us being a community is an added benefit that makes the TBUDL even more valuable, because I know from my own personal experience that we can enrich each other's lives in such on-line discussions, as well as help each other solve problems and learn how to use The Bat! most effectively. I could only second this. You depicted it quite finely and with a pleasant amount of warmth. (Okay, I admit that I am an idealist.) ;-) It's quite acceptable, at least for me personally, and I appreciate any sort of efforts. We certainly are in agreement about mangy gratis parakeets, Mica, which I assume is your metaphor for Outlook Express. Yes, it is, you are right. I am evaluating The Bat! as a replacement for Outlook XP/2002, for which I paid as part of Office XP Professional. OK. Security obviously is a concern that all of us share. Yes, definitely. (One of my peeves about most of the mail that I get from Oulook users is the assumption that I want all of the bloat of MS-HTML messages; I kind of miss the early days when my choice for an e-mail message editor was 'pico' or 'vi' -- text only, either way.) I agree again. Lots of unwilling situations are often born from bad assumptions. When you mentioned pico and vi, I just wonder, but quite slightly, unwilling to interrupt any existing harmony, have you tried perhaps Open Office? It is an excellent and high quality Office suite, and additionally it's completely free. If you'd run it under Linux, you would again be in situation to be encircled by a natural environment of pico and vi. I apologize if my musings about ethics offended or upset you in any way, Mica. Nonononono... (: It was completely my bad estimation coming from my inability to understand the situation, which moved me to jump in in your conversation with yourself. (: Absolutely there is no any element in anything you had written which could offend anyone, including me as well. I really should have kept my musings to myself. Ah, if the birds would announce every move they make, perhaps we would not adore them that much. (: After all, TBUDL is not a discussion list about philosophy. ;-) I am convinced that they will forgive us, the sinners we are. You see, we yet didn't get any smelly fish. (: Finally, I probably should not have brought up Percy Bysshe Shelley in a message about moral issues. I love Shelley's poetry, but his personal life should probably not be a role model for anyone concerned about ethics. ;-) I agree. The reverend Bookkeeper would fit in there much better. I'm getting *way* off topic, Mica, so I will apologize again, and wish you the best! No, *I* have to apologize, since the missive of mine I am
Can I move from one inbox to another with filters?
Can I move a message from the inbox of one account to the inbox of another account such that the filters of the latter account continue to filter the message? The idea is to set up a large number of filters on only one inbox for one account, and then set up a single filter for the other accounts that just sends everything to the same inbox of the same account for additional filtering. I tried it and it does move the message to the inbox, but the other filters for that inbox don't appear to be executed. Can this be done, and if so, how? -- Anthony __ Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can I move from one inbox to another with filters?
Hallo Anthony, On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 23:58:29 +0100GMT (1-11-2004, 23:58 +0100, where I live), you wrote: AGA Can I move a message from the inbox of one account to the inbox of AGA another account such that the filters of the latter account continue to AGA filter the message? No. You can filter the message across accounts (as you found out), but you can't hand it over to the filters of another account. In order to do that, you should redirect it to that other account, but that would lose most of your headers, so I don't know whether that would be a good idea. AGA The idea is to set up a large number of filters on only one inbox for AGA one account, and then set up a single filter for the other accounts that AGA just sends everything to the same inbox of the same account for AGA additional filtering. That's why v3 has common filters, then you'd need only one set of filters. -- Groetjes, Roelof In God we trust. All others we monitor... A Naval Intelligence The Bat! 3.0.2.4 Rush Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpp613VhovC2.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can I move from one inbox to another with filters?
Roelof Otten writes: That's why v3 has common filters, then you'd need only one set of filters. I've just discovered that. Is there a way I can cut and paste the entire list of filters for one account into the common filters, or do I have to cut and paste each filter individually? I tried selecting more than one with the Shift key, but it doesn't work. -- Anthony __ Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can I move from one inbox to another with filters?
Dear Anthony, @2-Nov-2004, 00:06 +0100 (01-Nov 23:06 UK time) Anthony G. Atkielski [AGA] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: That's why v3 has common filters, then you'd need only one set of filters. AGA I've just discovered that. Is there a way I can cut and paste the AGA entire list of filters for one account into the common filters, or do I AGA have to cut and paste each filter individually? I tried selecting more AGA than one with the Shift key, but it doesn't work. Only by making them sub-filters and doing a Copy Tree operation. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.2.3 Rush on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgp3RVmI6bTyv.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: URL bug (was: Re: Auto Backup)
Hi On Monday, 1 November, 2004, at 4:28:17 PM, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: Maybe TB detects the slash and expects some more - because (http://www.centered.com) without the slash works. I often find that unless you follow the URL with a space or (without quotes), whatever you type next is treated as part of the URL. Not just by TB but also M$OE, M$ word... -- Best regards, MFPA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Total Commander
Alexander- Sunday, October 31, 2004, 12:40:01 AM, you wrote: Thanks for the pointer. Another tool I didn't know about... -- -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: BayesIt
On Wednesday, October 20, 2004, 2:10:40 AM, MikeD wrote: and I should also mention that the newest version is 0.7.3 and since you are going to have to go through all that anyway, you might want to get this version before you go through all that. It is much improved over the version that was shipping with TB (unless they have caught up g) Thanks, will do. Do I find it on the Ritlabs website? Sorry for the belated acknowledgement of your reply: had computer troubles and didn't get around to reading this list for a while... -- Regards, G. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! Version 3.0.1.33 Windows XP Version 5 Build 2600 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Version 3.x
1. How is v3 compare to v1.62 -- in terms of memory requirements and speed/performance. Is v3 more bloated and slower? 2. Will the backup/restore copy all configurations, accounts, filters, etc. from v1.x to 3.x? 3. Do the messages.tbb and messages.tbi have the same structure in v1.x and 3.x? i.e. can I copy the *.tbb and *.tbi from a computer with 1.x to another another computer with v3? Or do I have to use Backup and Restore? -- Thanks in advance JM Using The Bat! 1.62r Under Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 3.x
Hi! 1. How is v3 compare to v1.62 -- in terms of memory requirements and speed/performance. Is v3 more bloated and slower? Memory usage 20-30 Mb RAM, sometimes 40-45Mb. Don't look at memory usage for process thebat.exe, check total memory usage before and after closing application. 2. Will the backup/restore copy all configurations, accounts, filters, etc. from v1.x to 3.x? Except filters all must be OK. IMHO you should rewrite all filters manually. 3. Do the messages.tbb and messages.tbi have the same structure in v1.x and 3.x? i.e. can I copy the *.tbb and *.tbi from a computer with 1.x to another another computer with v3? Or do I have to use Backup and Restore? I don't know format of tbi. :( (AFAIK TBI contains temporary indexes for TBB - and memos). It will be recreated automatically (if necessary). Of course, TBB is fully compartible (1.5* - 3.*). -- Best regards, Ivan Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
