Replacing PC-cillin with a good AV to use with TB! [was Re: How do I filter for this worm?]
Hello Marck! On Wednesday, January 05, 2005, 10:10 PM, you wrote, in part: 2) (the proper way to stop this happening ever again) throw away that nanny of a piece of interfering anti-virus software and install AVG or NOD or something like. One that won't interfere with the normal operation of your system in a way that is certainly worse the the effects of a trojan that will never get executed. Never, because you're using TB and are already immunised and insulated from the direct effects. Amen. :) PC-cillin is on the little Sony notebook that I'm going to begin setting up today as soon as I get the battery charged. What order should I proceed in? 1) I have the CD for the SP2 to install on this year-old copy of Windows XP-Home which the notebook comes with. 2) From there I need to go on-line and obtain all the XP-Home SP2 updates. 2a) Should I first replace the AV, then do the Windows Updates? 2b) Or should I let the bundled PC-Cillin run, and then after the MS updates put my AV of choice on? 3) I already know the third piece of software I'm going to install on the new machine: It's called The Bat! P.S. I am on broadband, but behind a router. I'm either going to use the Sony's wifi that I presently don't know how to use, or else take the Desktop cable connection to Comcast loose and attach it to the little notebook for all this downloading. Special thoughts and prayers for me, a babe-in-the-woods of new hardware and software, will be greatly appreciated. :) -- Best regards, Mary :Trill: The Bat! 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: -=[Font conversion using SecureBat under Wine, Slackware 10 ]=-
Hello Chris everyone else, on 06-Jan-2005 at 02:57 you (Chris) wrote: 10x for pointing out I've never seen 10x before. Is it the IM way of saying thanks? No, those are points. Every hint to the solution of a problem gives points. 10x twice means - I already have 20 points for 2005! Hooray! Each 50 points, you get three things: 1. one 2. satisfactory 3. reply from [EMAIL PROTECTED] *VEG* -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using TB! v3.0.2.10 Home on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 Compassion is the most effective use of power. -- Patrick Douglas Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How do I filter for this worm?
Hello Darrin Rich everyone else, on 06-Jan-2005 at 04:55 you (Darrin Rich) wrote: Every time I check a certain mail account of mine I get this notification from my AV software stating a virus was received. (see images)http://www.sidnak.net/netsky/ It litterally comes every few seconds. Is there a way to filter this with TB! so I can delete it from server? That way I avoid the AV pop ups, or will my av pick it up by the time the bat even gets a chance to filter it? Can you configure your AV software so that it won't scan TB's temporary directory? That will stop the Realtime Scan popups when TB writes its temporary files on retrieving messages from the server. (the path would be C:\Documents.bla...\Darrin\Local.bla...\Temp, according to your screenshot) Furthermore, if you disable the mail scanner of the AV, you won't see the mailscan popup either. That may sound dangerous at first, but I dare say that mail scanners are for extremely paranoid people. And for users of an unpatched system, of course. :-) Think about it: 1. you're using TB. Its not vulnerable to the security hole that Netsky tries to exploit (nor to any other security hole that I know of) 2. TB will warn you if you try to open the attachment, because its an .exe 3. the realtime scanner of the AV will kick in anyway if you open/save the attachment. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using TB! v3.0.2.10 Home on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 I have just got scent of some fossil bones of a mammoth; what they may be I do not know, but if gold will get them, they shall be mine. -- Charles Darwin Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How do I filter for this worm?
Hello Marck, Wednesday, January 5, 2005, 8:10:34 PM, you wrote: MDP 1) (quick, simple and get you out of it for now) Use the Account .. MDP Dispatch mail on server to preview waiting messages and delete the MDP wrongun before download begins. I got it taking care of it seems. I used poptray to preview the message and was able to stop it by making some changes on my server. All seems well now. Thanks :) MDP 2) (the proper way to stop this happening ever again) throw away that MDP nanny of a piece of interfering anti-virus software and install AVG or MDP NOD or something like. Its been two years using Pc-cillin. I like it. I notice no slow down on my pc, it picks up everything, it has a great price for upgrades for a security suite (AV,Firewall,Spam filtering) $25. However I do know that Nod32 has a great rep as an AV. But the last time I tried it, it would always crash on me during the trial. I never ended up purchasing it. Its been several years since, so Im sure the problem will not exist now. Thanks for all the help guys, as always :) -- Best regards, Darrin Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpkjKyxrmm7l.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: How do you get decent support out of
Hello Peter, Wednesday, January 5, 2005, 8:54:58 PM, you wrote: PM Hi Stuart, PM on Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:20:00 +GMT, you wrote: SM I agree that the support on this mail list is absolutely SM excellent. I just do not think it appropriate for a software SM developer to take money for a business/pro version and not provide SM some degree of support without depending on unpaid volunteers. PM What's wrong with that, as long as there *is* support? Firstly I think that it is unsustainable as a commercial proposition for the long term growth of a software house (i.e. they will be capped by the customer base willing to accept this model - regardless of the merits) and secondly I believe that direct and significant involvement in support is fundamental to the improvement cycle of software development in a commercial model. (The open source model has a different and viable approach to this feedback loop.) Having read through this mailing list and a lot of the beta list I personally believe that I see evidence of this weakness manifesting itself within the RITLabs approach. PM In my view, this is a formalism. RITlabs could hire an extra support PM person, which would increase their costs and in consequence the price PM of the product. All this person could do is read everything in all TB! PM lists (because no-one can imagine all possible conjunctions and PM interferences on the users' PCs with their programs and The Bat!). PM This can be done much better by the users themselves. So, RITlabs PM actually *has* a much more efficient support than usual. :)) Indeed. I would have paid more for better support. I had, wrongly, assumed that in purchasing the Pro/Business version I had already done so. PM I'd love to be paid for my participation, but I volunteer anyway like PM many others. I just think it's worthwhile. :-) I understand this and appreciate your contribution. I too contribute voluntarily to many causes. I suspect that we are not going to agree. -- Stuart Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How do you get decent support out of
Stuart, On 05-01-2005 20:20, you [SM] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: SM I agree that the support on this mail list is absolutely SM excellent. I just do not think it appropriate for a software SM developer to take money for a business/pro version and not provide SM some degree of support without depending on unpaid volunteers. I agree wholeheartedly. Naturally for me I'd rather see lower prices and this sort of community support but I am almost certain that this is not way to go for a business point-of-view. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.0.1.33 Pro /thebat version env. ~18 POP3, 1 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 150K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 /os Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: How do you get decent support out of
Hello Andrew, Wednesday, January 5, 2005, 7:23:02 PM, you wrote: I had locked out the admin account - none of the working accounts had admin rights. In the past now so no need to work through what may or may not have happened as I cannot test anything now. A I'm not sure that qualifies as TB issue. How disappointing! If you can A somehow get Admin rights to that machine still you can reset your password or A take ownership of the mailbase files. I am referring to the admin rights accounts within TB (managed via the Network Administration option on the Options menu) and not confusing this with Windows access rights. I had full Windows admin access. Thanks anyway. -- Stuart Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Replacing PC-cillin with a good AV to use with TB! [was Re: How do I filter for this worm?]
Hello Mary, Thursday, January 6, 2005, 6:48:27 AM, you wrote and sent the following: What order should I proceed in? 1) I have the CD for the SP2 to install on this year-old copy of Windows XP-Home which the notebook comes with. 2) From there I need to go on-line and obtain all the XP-Home SP2 updates. 2a) Should I first replace the AV, then do the Windows Updates? 2b) Or should I let the bundled PC-Cillin run, and then after the MS updates put my AV of choice on? 3) I already know the third piece of software I'm going to install on the new machine: It's called The Bat! P.S. I am on broadband, but behind a router. I'm either going to use the Sony's wifi that I presently don't know how to use, or else take the Desktop cable connection to Comcast loose and attach it to the little notebook for all this downloading. Special thoughts and prayers for me, a babe-in-the-woods of new hardware and software, will be greatly appreciated. :) Hope this helps, worth reading: How to Secure (and Keep Secure) My (New) Computer(s): A Layered Approach: http://www.broadbandreports.com/faq/8463 On the, whole if you haven't got a firewall in place, take care of that first before connecting to the 'Net. So applying SP2 might be the first answer. SP2 has a basic one built in to it. Many people have reported issues with applying SP2 (many have said it went smoothly, it did for me). A back-up before something major is not a bad idea. With the FW in place, anytime you connect to the Net to do anything else you are protected against most nasties. -- Andrew Using The Bat! 3.0.1.33 On Windows XP, 5.1 Build: 2600 I have never let my schooling interfere with my education. --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: How do you get decent support out of
Hello Peter, Wednesday, January 5, 2005, 3:54:58 PM, you wrote and sent the following: What's wrong with that, as long as there *is* support? I'd love to be paid for my participation, but I volunteer anyway like many others. I just think it's worthwhile. :-) It is worthwhile, I participate on a few lists and forums for various things. But a corporate support person has access to resources that user-based support groups (collectively) do not. They have the ability to go to program managers, programers, testers, marketing people, whoever, and act as client advocates when they are doing the job right and can get answers for impossible or difficult questions. The money argument doesn't hold water. They already charge enough (and recharged it again recently) to afford a customer support person or two. Especially if they are seeking corporate clients... they will have to invest $$ to make $$, and if they get popular and their costs decrease... well, we won't see a corresponding benefit. :) We all deserve vendor support, but a corporation is even less likely to invest limited budget in software that doesn't have at least that... Call it formalism, but a corporation wants a responsible party who represents the company to answer their questions, and their complaints, and that is part of the payment. And we (TBUDL) don't qualify as that responsible party for them (although, let me say this again, we--the indv. users--deserve no less than that either). I prefer user-based support, it is often faster, but I want access to the vendor for the bigger issues. -- Andrew Using The Bat! 3.0.1.33 On Windows XP, 5.1 Build: 2600 New toy for children with short attention spans: boomerangs that don't come back. Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Replacing PC-cillin with a good AV to use with TB! [was Re: How do I filter for this worm?]
Hello Andrew! On Thursday, January 06, 2005, 7:33 AM, you wrote: How to Secure (and Keep Secure) My (New) Computer(s): A Layered Approach: http://www.broadbandreports.com/faq/8463 Thanks. On the, whole if you haven't got a firewall in place, take care of that first before connecting to the 'Net. So applying SP2 might be the first answer. SP2 has a basic one built in to it. ... Yes. First thing I did, upon installing SP2 on my Desktop last August, was to disable the SP2 firewall and replace it with Sygate, which was already on my machine. This notebook is a little 3-pound Sony VAIO that I've had in its packing box in the closet since January 2004--partly out of cold feet, partly out of procrastination, and partly out of lack of time to set it up: I spent the winter/spring of 2004 selling my house in the town I had moved from, and I spent the summer/fall of 2004 learning to do Roguemoticons and Smileys. :) I *like* Rogues and Smileys! ... Many people have reported issues with applying SP2 (many have said it went smoothly, it did for me). A back-up before something major is not a bad idea. With the FW in place, anytime you connect to the Net to do anything else you are protected against most nasties. Went smooth as silk for me--I did it with an Automatic Update download, but I ordered the CD, knowing that I had the little Notebook to bring up to speed, eventually. As to the backup--don't really understand the need in this situation? XP has its Restore function, of course. And this is a brand-new machine. Packaged with the Windows XP-Home CD, as well as Windows XP-Home already installed on it. I'm really Off-Topic Big Time with this thread. If you're not subscribed to TBOT, why don't you do that, Andrew? We are discussing my Today's Adventure over there. :) But thanks for the great support, here. :thankyou: -- Best regards, Mary :Trill: The Bat! 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How do you get decent support out of
Hello Peter Fjelsten everyone else, on 06-Jan-2005 at 14:13 you (Peter Fjelsten) wrote: SM I agree that the support on this mail list is absolutely excellent. I SM just do not think it appropriate for a software developer to take SM money for a business/pro version and not provide some degree of SM support without depending on unpaid volunteers. I agree wholeheartedly. Naturally for me I'd rather see lower prices and this sort of community support but I am almost certain that this is not way to go for a business point-of-view. Which business take care of their IT/mail infrastructure itself? Those that actually do are either very, I beg your pardon, stupid, or rather big, so that they have their own IT administration and end user support (be it internal or outsourced, doesn't matter). SMB's should leave the support to their system builder/integrator, thats the way customer relations are meant to work... I don't go and try to fix my car myself. I don't go and call the vendor for help. I go to the nearest expert that I know (a mechanic, a garage) and tell them I have a problem. They fix it, they're the experts. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using TB! v3.0.2.10 Home on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 It is one of the superstitions of the human mind to have imagined that virginity could be a virtue. -- Voltaire Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Replacing PC-cillin with a good AV to use with TB! [was Re: How do I filter for this worm?]
Hello Mary, Thursday, January 6, 2005, 8:48:30 AM, you wrote and sent the following: I'm really Off-Topic Big Time with this thread. If you're not subscribed to TBOT, why don't you do that, Andrew? We are discussing my Today's Adventure over there. :) But thanks for the great support, here. :thankyou: Thanks Mary, Not to be that much an idiot, but I will be, I read/reply through e-mail, but subscribed through gmane. gmane.mail.the-bat.bayesit gmane.mail.the-bat.beta gmane.mail.the-bat.devel gmane.mail.the-bat.plugins gmane.mail.the-bat.russian gmane.mail.the-bat.user The Yahoo group? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tbot/ -- Andrew Using The Bat! 3.0.1.33 On Windows XP, 5.1 Build: 2600 The first and foremost function of our jurors is to protect private citizens from a tyrannical and intrusive government... Jurors are the last line of defense for liberty. --Thomas Jefferson, 1789 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How do you get decent support out of
Alexander, On 06-01-2005 14:49, you [ASK] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: I agree wholeheartedly. Naturally for me I'd rather see lower prices and this sort of community support but I am almost certain that this is not way to go for a business point-of-view. ASK Which business take care of their IT/mail infrastructure itself? ASK Those that actually do are either very, I beg your pardon, stupid, or ASK rather big, so that they have their own IT administration and end user ASK support (be it internal or outsourced, doesn't matter). This does not mean that Ritlabs should not support the company's IT-dept or whichever they have that run their IT. The problem is that _nobody_ gets any support from Ritlabs. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.0.1.33 Pro /thebat version env. ~18 POP3, 1 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 150K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 /os Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Use of 'user param' in the filters
Hello Frank J de Bruin everyone else, on 05-Jan-2005 at 18:23 you (Frank J de Bruin) wrote: Also, does the user parameter stay with the message indefinitely across invocations of the Bat! or is it only there during the time the filter is active? In the meantime, I asked the Ritlabs programmer that does most of the filtering stuff (9Val) that question. He told me that once the message has passed all filters, the user params are cleared/dropped and NOT preserved. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using TB! v3.0.2.10 Home on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 Deliplayer2 is playing: Lum-Bum-Bashi by Der Stern Von Afrika Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
OT Subscribing to TBOT [WAS Re: Replacing PC-cillin with a good AV to use with TB! [was Re: How do I filter for this worm?]
Hello Andrew! On Thursday, January 06, 2005, 8:00 AM, you wrote: I'm really Off-Topic Big Time with this thread. If you're not subscribed to TBOT, why don't you do that, Andrew? We are discussing my Today's Adventure over there. :) snip Not to be that much an idiot, but I will be, Not an Idiot, You! Valued member! :bat2angel: The Yahoo group? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tbot/ Goes easier with this link: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Best regards, Mary :Trill: The Bat! 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Can't Access Years of TB - (Upgraded System, Reinstalled TB) - Help, Please
Robin, 1. (And most important) My address books are still gone, and though I have futzed about some, I haven't been able to restore them. RA Address books are files with an abd extension (although I am not sure RA if they were back when v1.48 was current!). Do you have any such files RA in your TB! installation (eg TheBat.abd)? RA If so, open the addressbook, select File-Open addressbook, find that RA file and open it. Thank you. I found my main address book with its subgroups and was able to open it. 2. (Next, minor, but a bit of an annoyance) When I go to Reply to a message now, a small (resizeable) horizontal window containing the original message opens above the Reply window itself. This was not the case with my old installation, and again I have searched for the remedy -- some way to eliminate it -- but can't find it. RA In the my current version that is toggled on or off using either Alt+O RA (that's the letter not the digit) or, from the Editor, View-Original text Nope -- unfortunately, that one doesn't work with v1.48. I know something days (that's the way I had it configured before), but darned if I can find the way now. Thanks again for the help with the address book. That was a big one for me. Be well, Jerry Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Use of 'user param' in the filters
Hello Alexander, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: ASK In the meantime, I asked the Ritlabs programmer that does most of the ASK filtering stuff (9Val) that question. He told me that once the message has ASK passed all filters, the user params are cleared/dropped and NOT preserved. Wow, thanks for making this effort. Frank de Bruin -- The Bat! version: 3.0.1.33 on Windows XP Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Sticky toolbars?
I've just upgraded to v3. Is there any way of making the toolbar in the message editor stick to the top of the screen? Mine is floating which I suppose might be OK when I get used to it, but I do get set in my ways :-) ... Best Wishes Sharon Stiles Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sticky toolbars?
Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED], A reminder of what [EMAIL PROTECTED] on TBUDL typed on: 06 January 2005 at 16:33:42 GMT +0100 bscu I've just upgraded to v3. Is there any way of making the toolbar in bscu the message editor stick to the top of the screen? Mine is floating bscu which I suppose might be OK when I get used to it, but I do get set in bscu my ways :-) Take it by the handle on the far left or right and drag it either to the top just under the menu's or to either side or the bottom. You'll see when to let go as the thick dotted edge turns into a thin dotted edge. -- Best regards,Tony. _ Message composed on 06/01/2005 at 15:39 UTC 2004 - AWB The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under the influence of Wine and SuSE 9.2 Registered Linux user #316959 PGP Key http://www.theboomclan.com/pgp.txt http://www.1and1.co.uk/?k_id=7037908 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: Sticky toolbars?
Hello Sharon, Thursday, January 6, 2005, 4:31:53 PM, you wrote: Best Wishes Sharon Stiles your photos are terrific! -- Best regards, Jürgen :eu-flag3: :de-bw: :safaribears: Hey it compiles! Let's ship it! Using The Bat! v3.0.2.4 Rush, Opera v7.54.3865 on WinXP Home v2600 SP2 * PGP key available on request: send mail with subject 'PGP key request' pgp6RAKAu4MYk.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: How do you get decent support out of
Hello Alexander, I am not sure that I understand your points exactly. Thursday, January 6, 2005, 1:49:46 PM, you wrote: SM I agree that the support on this mail list is absolutely excellent. I SM just do not think it appropriate for a software developer to take SM money for a business/pro version and not provide some degree of SM support without depending on unpaid volunteers. I agree wholeheartedly. Naturally for me I'd rather see lower prices and this sort of community support but I am almost certain that this is not way to go for a business point-of-view. ASK Which business take care of their IT/mail infrastructure itself? A lot. Many probably should not do so. Part of my job is running package and outsourcing selection processes for companies (small, medium and absolutely gigantic). However, I do not see how this relates to a manufacturer failing to support a product they produce. ASK Those that actually do are either very, I beg your pardon, stupid, or ASK rather big, so that they have their own IT administration and end user ASK support (be it internal or outsourced, doesn't matter). I think that is a bit of a leap. It is not always stupid to retain in house and a golden principle is do not outsource what you do not understand (and like most principles there are cases where this does not apply). ASK SMB's should leave the support to their system builder/integrator, thats ASK the way customer relations are meant to work... What customer relations? Are you saying that the customer relations procedures should be outsourced, just commodity business processes (like Accounts Receivable), or are we just talking technology here. I know many SMBs who are far better served by doing it themselves. ASK I don't go and try to fix my car myself. I don't go and call the vendor for ASK help. I go to the nearest expert that I know (a mechanic, a garage) and ASK tell them I have a problem. They fix it, they're the experts. Indeed. I do expect that they can get help from Ford, GM, etc though. My apologies for completely misunderstanding your point. -- Stuart Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How do you get decent support out of
Hello Andrew, On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:16:37 -0500 GMT (06/01/2005, 01:16 +0700 GMT), Andrew wrote: See above. Maybe the official Ritlabs support is pointless, but seeking support on these lists isn't. A Oh, I'm sorry if it came across in the wrong way. That's OK. A I believe that user-based support is always the best, but in a A corporate setting not always appropriate. True too, but. And this is a real question, because I don't know the answer: Which email clients offer the same kind and quality of suppport that you can get from the TB lists? -- Cheers, Thomas. Die Inseln des Mittelmeeres sind alle groesser oder kleiner als Sizilien. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't Access Years of TB - (Upgraded System, Reinstalled TB) - Help, Please
Hello Jerrold, On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:44:32 -0500 GMT (06/01/2005, 21:44 +0700 GMT), Jerrold Mundis wrote: 2. (Next, minor, but a bit of an annoyance) When I go to Reply to a message now, a small (resizeable) horizontal window containing the original message opens above the Reply window itself. This was not the case with my old installation, and again I have searched for the remedy -- some way to eliminate it -- but can't find it. RA In the my current version that is toggled on or off using either Alt+O RA (that's the letter not the digit) or, from the Editor, View-Original text JM Nope -- unfortunately, that one doesn't work with v1.48. Hm. I thought this was possible even in v1. But you can still drag the seperator up so that you won't see the original message, I guess. -- Cheers, Thomas. Wenn ich nur darf, wenn ich soll, aber nie kann, wenn ich will, dann mag ich auch nicht, wenn ich muss. Wenn ich aber darf, wenn ich will, dann mag ich auch, wenn ich soll und dann kann ich auch, wenn ich muss. Denn schliesslich: Die, die koennen sollen, muessen wollen duerfen. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: How do you get decent support out of
Hello Thomas, Thursday, January 6, 2005, 11:06:27 AM, you wrote and sent the following: A I believe that user-based support is always the best, but in a A corporate setting not always appropriate. True too, but. And this is a real question, because I don't know the answer: Which email clients offer the same kind and quality of suppport that you can get from the TB lists? No disagreement, but that's not how bosses spend money. I think, what I'm hoping, is that Ritlabs sees the light regarding providing support (at least for winning corporate clients) and that we benefit by accident! -- Andrew Using The Bat! 3.0.1.33 On Windows XP, 5.1 Build: 2600 I like kids, but I don't think I could eat a whole one. Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How do you get decent support out of
Hello Stuart, On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:07:04 + GMT (06/01/2005, 20:07 +0700 GMT), Stuart Moore wrote: SM I agree that the support on this mail list is absolutely SM excellent. I just do not think it appropriate for a software SM developer to take money for a business/pro version and not provide SM some degree of support without depending on unpaid volunteers. PM What's wrong with that, as long as there *is* support? SM Firstly I think that it is unsustainable as a commercial SM proposition for the long term growth of a software house Good point. By the way, can you advise the email address of the email client's vendor that you are using instead, which will get you more or less immediate replies? Just curious. -- Cheers, Thomas. Deine Stereoanlage hat aber viele Knoepfe! - Na, ja, mit Reissverschluss saehe sie ja auch ziemlich bloed aus. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How do you get decent support out of
Hello Stuart, On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:20:00 + GMT (06/01/2005, 02:20 +0700 GMT), Stuart Moore wrote: SM As another pointed out, for a commercial operation, depending SM on volunteer support would be challenging to opt for. Hence SM why so many people make money selling support on the likes of linux. True. The people who make money are the distributors. You could become a TB distributor and make money off that. Point in case is that the former German TB distributor did exactly that until he was terminated. Now the German support is back to the volunteer TB lists. -- Cheers, Thomas. 7.Ihr Nachbar geht Ihnen auf den Wecker, weil er nachts um vier so laut klopft, das die Gaeste Ihrer Techno-Party dauernd aus dem Rhythmus kommen. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How do you get decent support out of
Hello Andrew, On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:26:04 -0500 GMT (06/01/2005, 23:26 +0700 GMT), Andrew wrote: True too, but. And this is a real question, because I don't know the answer: Which email clients offer the same kind and quality of suppport that you can get from the TB lists? A No disagreement, but that's not how bosses spend money. They spend money on their sysad, who has to make himself knowlegable. The sysad who recommends TB will be smart enough to be a member of this list. IMHO. -- Cheers, Thomas. Things You Would Never Know Without the Movies: If you decide to start dancing in the street, everyone you bump into will know all the steps. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How do you get decent support out of
Thomas, On 06-01-2005 17:36, you [TF] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: TF They spend money on their sysad, who has to make himself TF knowlegable. The sysad who recommends TB will be smart enough to be TF a member of this list. IMHO. But isn't (one of) the point that if you run a company, you need to have someone you can legally force to fix a problem? I mean, a company cannot put any pressure on the members on this list, whereas they can to the company who has supplied the software in question if it comes with some sort of service agreement. I think that most companies want to make sure that their _very_ important tool (e-mail system) is backed up with some sort of promise that problems will be fixed quickly. This is not exactly the case with Ritlabs, is it? -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.0.1.33 Pro /thebat version env. ~18 POP3, 1 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 150K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Can't Access Years of TB - (Upgraded System, Reinstalled TB) - Help, Please
Hello Thomas, Thursday, January 06, 2005, 11:15:10 AM, you wrote: 2. (Next, minor, but a bit of an annoyance) When I go to Reply to a message now, a small (resizeable) horizontal window containing the original message opens above the Reply window itself. This was not the case with my old installation, and again I have searched for the remedy -- some way to eliminate it -- but can't find it. RA In the my current version that is toggled on or off using either Alt+O RA (that's the letter not the digit) or, from the Editor, View-Original text JM Nope -- unfortunately, that one doesn't work with v1.48. TF Hm. I thought this was possible even in v1. But you can still drag the TF seperator up so that you won't see the original message, I guess. Found it -- no Alt+x combination works (or any other cominbation I could find) but in Reply - View, I found an option in the dropdown menu named Original Text which can be ticked on or off, with off eliminating the window. Many thanks. Be well, Jerry , Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't Access Years of TB - (Upgraded System, Reinstalled TB) - Help, Please
Hello Jerrold, On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:54:15 -0500 GMT (06/01/2005, 23:54 +0700 GMT), Jerrold Mundis wrote: JM Found it -- no Alt+x combination works (or any other cominbation I could JM find) but in Reply - View, I found an option in the dropdown menu JM named Original Text which can be ticked on or off, with off JM eliminating the window. Exactly! I know it was possible even back then. JM Many thanks. You're welcome. -- Cheers, Thomas. Infant Grows Sideburns During Visit to Graceland Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How do you get decent support out of
Hello Peter, On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:47:08 +0100 GMT (06/01/2005, 23:47 +0700 GMT), Peter Fjelsten wrote: PF I think that most companies want to make sure that their _very_ PF important tool (e-mail system) is backed up with some sort of promise PF that problems will be fixed quickly. PF This is not exactly the case with Ritlabs, is it? Tell me the email client with which this is the case, and I'll concede. -- Cheers, Thomas. Nachdem die Maenner 100m gekrault hatten, wickelten die Frauen ihre 200m Brust ab. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How do you get decent support out of
Thomas, On 06-01-2005 18:05, you [TF] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: PF This is not exactly the case with Ritlabs, is it? TF Tell me the email client with which this is the case, and I'll TF concede. How about Outlook? I am not saying that M$ does fixes at the speed of light but I think that their re-sellers will make customers feel more important than the customers of The Bat! feel. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.0.1.33 Pro /thebat version env. ~18 POP3, 1 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 150K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: How do you get decent support out of
Hello Thomas, Thursday, January 6, 2005, 12:05:31 PM, you wrote and sent the following: Tell me the email client with which this is the case, and I'll concede. Pocosystems (Pocomail and Barca, an Outlook replacement). Support and Forums. Support responded to me the last time I trialed it, though I also used the forums. So no-one does what TB does yet, doesn't mean they aren't getting closer all the time. And in the meantime, the real point isn't is user-based support enough. In my mind, it's how Ritlabs is losing revenue and how we all (clients and company) could benefit if they took care. -- Andrew Using The Bat! 3.0.1.33 On Windows XP, 5.1 Build: 2600 I mean, there needs to be a wholesale effort against racial profiling, which is illiterate children. --George Walker Bush, second presidential debate, Oct. 11, 2000 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: How do you get decent support out of
Hello Thomas, Thursday, January 6, 2005, 4:28:07 PM, you wrote: TF Good point. By the way, can you advise the email address of the email TF client's vendor that you are using instead, which will get you more or TF less immediate replies? Just curious. Sorry, I must be having a really bad day but I can not work out what you mean. -- Stuart Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sticky toolbars?
your photos are terrific! Thank you ... Best Wishes Sharon Stiles Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How do you get decent support out of
Hello Stuart! On Thursday, January 06, 2005, 11:56 AM, you wrote: TF Good point. By the way, can you advise the email address of the email TF client's vendor that you are using instead, which will get you more or TF less immediate replies? Just curious. Sorry, I must be having a really bad day but I can not work out what you mean. I think perhaps Thomas may have thought he was Replying to Andrew. Andrew said that his company selected a different e-mail client, right after it lost a year or more of collective productivity in two days, due to the viruses that invaded via Outlook Express's preview pane vulnerability a couple of years ago, Andrew said he would have very much liked to have been able to recommend The Bat!, but wasn't comfortable doing that because RitLabs does not answer its customers' letters asking for help--at least, not on a dependable basis. Corporation decision-makers are going to want answers from the seller or the developer, not from volunteers on a support mailing-list. At least that's the point I think was being made by Andrew. Thomas apparently doesn't think that any e-mail seller offers that kind of support. -- Best regards, Mary :Trill: The Bat! 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How do you get decent support out of
Hello Stuart, On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:56:08 + GMT (07/01/2005, 00:56 +0700 GMT), Stuart Moore wrote: TF Good point. By the way, can you advise the email address of the email TF client's vendor that you are using instead, which will get you more or TF less immediate replies? Just curious. SM Sorry, I must be having a really bad day but I can not work out what you mean. I mean that I am not aware of any software company selling an email product that offers tech support better than the TB lists. -- Cheers, Thomas. Nennen Sie ein Wort, das mit Wind beginnt: Winter Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: How do you get decent support out of
Hello Mary, Thursday, January 6, 2005, 1:07:25 PM, you wrote and sent the following: I think perhaps Thomas may have thought he was Replying to Andrew. Andrew said that his company selected a different e-mail client, right after it lost a year or more of collective productivity in two days, due to the viruses that invaded via Outlook Express's preview pane vulnerability a couple of years ago, Andrew said he would have very much liked to have been able to recommend The Bat!, but wasn't comfortable doing that because RitLabs does not answer its customers' letters asking for help--at least, not on a dependable basis. Corporation decision-makers are going to want answers from the seller or the developer, not from volunteers on a support mailing-list. At least that's the point I think was being made by Andrew. Thomas apparently doesn't think that any e-mail seller offers that kind of support. Summed up nicely! -- Andrew Using The Bat! 3.0.1.33 On Windows XP, 5.1 Build: 2600 Beware lest in your anxiety to avoid war you obtain a master. --Demosthenes (384 BC - 322 BC) Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: -=[Font conversion using SecureBat under Wine, Slackware 10 ]=-
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, Alexander ! Thursday, January 06, 2005. 22:37:53 On day Thursday, January 06, 2005 you wrote: I've never seen 10x before. Is it the IM way of saying thanks? No, those are points. Every hint to the solution of a problem gives points. 10x twice means - I already have 20 points for 2005! Hooray! Each 50 points, you get three things: 1. one 2. satisfactory 3. reply from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good for you. I'm realy happy for you. I don't think that 50*2 would get you to that. *VEG* Does it mean END in Hungarian? : 10x for help again. Now you have 30x. You're getting closer... - - -- Kind Regards, Milan \|||/ (o o) ___ +---oooO--(_)+ ---' ) || __) | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | __)|| () +---Ooo--+ ---.__(___) |__|__| || || ooO Ooo Currently Listening: Celine Dion - A New Day Has Come (Has Lyrics) --Foobar 2000--: PLAYING Days to New Year : 360 Days to My Birthday: 37 Secure Bat Lite Version: 2.12.3 Tagline of the day: Win98 error 006: Keyboard not found. Press F1 to continue. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (MingW32) iD8DBQFB3bH21YZ39xOKLlgRAijOAJ4m+UikZoK/wbVs76EGwUmAkkNtLgCeP37B zhWwmARbLH0cVtxGWRXe/78= =pk55 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: -=[Font conversion using SecureBat under Wine, Slackware 10 ]=-
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, Chris ! Thursday, January 06, 2005. 22:10:55 On day Thursday, January 06, 2005 you wrote: 10x for pointing out I've never seen 10x before. Is it the IM way of saying thanks? I've seen X10 before, but that's something completely different. :-) What you haven't seen, that surely DOESN'T exist? Well, I don't like stereotypes I like to be (a bit) creative, so I changed TNX thanks TNX 1.0E6 thanks a million (humorous) TNXE6 another form of thanks a million (this e.g. comes from a JARGON FILE, VERSION 2.9.10, 01 JUL 1992 downloaded from Gutenberg) to something I like, and which is 10x (which I btw saw later to be used by some people). If any of you actually helped me with my problem, you would get an extra Thank You very much for helping in rather British english accent. To me, essence is more substantiall than the form. I'm not saying that I didn't learn anything from this mailing list, but many threads are so offtopic, and it takes time to read something that doesn't regard the subject. I know also that nobody forces me to join read it, but... I'm a student, learning a lot, programming, getting out with friends, so I don't have a lot of spare time to waste, and I like the sentence Carpe Diem. I know what humor is btw. (: One other thing I noticed. Why every time you don't know the answer to help someone, you search for something to start teasing, just to post something? Then it is better not posting anything, than making fun of someone with a problem. I know that everyone of you would hate me for posting this, but whatta hack - I can always unsubscribe. (; - -- Kind Regards, Milan \|||/ (o o) ___ +---oooO--(_)+ ---' ) || __) | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | __)|| () +---Ooo--+ ---.__(___) |__|__| || || ooO Ooo Currently Listening: Apocalyptica feat Sandra Nasic - Path II --Foobar 2000--: PLAYING Days to New Year : 360 Days to My Birthday: 37 Secure Bat Lite Version: 2.12.3 Tagline of the day: Windows: an Unrecoverable Acquisition Error! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (MingW32) iD8DBQFB3a+k1YZ39xOKLlgRAl31AJ9bFmCmjCSDKbjlx5bK9iGv6ouULACdGgrQ 3l4+JcRxDRh1dRQXp5LdFxI= =BYv8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: -=[Font conversion using SecureBat under Wine, Slackware 10 ]=-
Hello Milan Gurjanov everyone else, on 06-Jan-2005 at 22:47 you (Milan Gurjanov) wrote: *VEG* Does it mean END in Hungarian? : No, its an indication that I don't eat meat. :-) Enough of the nonsense - VEG means very evil grin, and now lets cut the crap. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using TB! v3.0.2.10 Home on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 If you're born again, do you have two bellybuttons? Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Cut mark (was: Can't Access Years of TB - (Upgraded System, Reinstalled TB) - Help, Please)
Hallo Jerrold, On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:54:15 -0500GMT (6-1-2005, 17:54 +0100, where I live), you wrote: JM Many thanks. JM Be well, JM Jerry JM JM JM Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: JM http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Jerrold. ' Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists of a dashdashspacereturn, i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without the signature and list footers since everything below and including the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in your templates. Even if you barely have a signature to speak of, that doesn't make any difference to whether or not you need a cut mark. You are being courteous to other readers since at least three lines of text is added to your signature by the list server. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- Groetjes, Roelof As I feared, you have no sense of humor. The Bat! 3.0.2.10 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpsAsFXrWymE.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Cut mark (was: Sticky toolbars?)
Hallo Sharon, On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:58:21 +GMT (6-1-2005, 18:58 +0100, where I live), you wrote: B Thank you B ... B Best Wishes B Sharon Stiles B B Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Sharon. ' Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists of a dashdashspacereturn, i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without the signature and list footers since everything below and including the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in your templates. Even if you barely have a signature to speak of, that doesn't make any difference to whether or not you need a cut mark. You are being courteous to other readers since at least three lines of text is added to your signature by the list server. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- Groetjes, Roelof I love animals...they're delicious! The Bat! 3.0.2.10 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpsEQEYuYDSu.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
IMAP: Getting all messages
IMAP users: Does anyone know how to get full message bodies *after* only the headers have been downloaded? I would think that switching a folder's sync properties from Headers only to Full Messages would do this, but apparently it's not working. I want to select a folder that has only message headers, and then download all messages (headers and text) in that folder. What's the best way to do this? Thanks. -- Best regards, ken mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
