Re: Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3
Hi Eriks, Thursday, August 1, 2002, 9:56:44 PM, you wrote: ET Just downloaded it (really slow and hard)! Three minute download. :) But everyone needs to step back a bit and be careful about this. This is NOT necessarily the final version of SP-3. This is close, and it has been released to MS's preferred customers for what is essentially the last round check before it becomes official. But . . . there *have* been some problems reported (who is surprised by this?), and there may be code modifications. Key Question: Assuming you keep up to date with the critical updates and hotfixes, why do you need to put this in before it's quite official? It isn't going to make your coffee in the morning or make your P-133 perform like a Thunderbird. Do you want to have any problems associated with this, or would you rather somebody else discovered them and they got fixed before you put this baby in? But if you DO need to be the first on your block to have this, I'd recommend STRONGLY that you only do it after you've made a full system image, or if you have enough disk space to run the rollback and select that option when you install this thing. It is NOT official yet. The most noticeable thing about this SP for most users will be that the list of post SP-2 hotfixes in Add/Remove programs will disappear. That, and some programs like XXCOPY are now going to complain about newer DLLs. Sometimes newer is NOT better. :)) There is really nothing here like some of the key SPs for NT4 that dramatically improved some functionality. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Please release BatNews!
Tuesday, June 25, 2002, 1:02:50 PM, PFord wrote: P On Monday, June 24, 2002, Paul Wilson wrote: BK Anyone else? RANTI shall not rant, I shall not rant! No thank you. I use a browser to surf, a newsreader for newsgroups and The Bat! for mail. Never the twain shall meet!! /RANT P Why? The world is moving to unified messaging - not just email, P newsgroups, instant messaging and other text-based communication - but P voice and even video messaging. People get weary of having to track P communications in a plethora of different applications and mediums. P It seems to me the least TB! needs to keep up is NNTP support. Vehemently disagree. The world is not moving to unified messaging. The world is moving back to a Unix-like concept of small, tight applications doing very specific tasks -- the result, mostly, of seeing the negative consequences of all the bloat that has come of of Redmond, as well as elsewhere. I have Agent for NNTP, and it's gonna stay that way. TB needs NNTP like it needs another bug. g Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Status on 2.0?
Tuesday, June 11, 2002, 5:20:45 AM, Marck wrote: MDP Double Byte Character Set. BTW - Yuki - I've seen confirmation MDP that DBCS *will* be a main feature of the forthcoming V2. Fantastic. Thanks Marck. That will truly make TB the best international e-mail client available. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Status on 2.0?
Saturday, June 8, 2002, 6:33:29 PM, Marck wrote: What's the current expected release date of at least a beta? MDP End of this summer. Really!!! Wow. I had resigned myself to a much longer waiting period, based on: a) little official communication (about *anything*), and b) the time it took to get from 1.53 to 1.60. Thought maybe my children might actually see version 2. ^^_^^ Do you happen to have any word on whether full DBCS support is still going to be included? Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Status on 2.0?
Saturday, June 8, 2002, 9:14:54 PM, Marck wrote: MDP That's not to say that DBCS isn't an early / high priority, only MDP that I don't know about it. Will be interesting to see. Last chance to keep me as a customer, too. If it's not in version 2, then I'm gone, because I will seriously doubt that it's ever coming at all. Will be sad to go, but go I will. Yuki Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Turn off the bleeping beep
Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 9:13:01 AM, Allie wrote: ACM -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- ACM Hash: SHA1 ACM Yuki Taga [YT] wrote: ACM ... YT For some reason, I'm intermittently getting a failure to connect on YT the secondary account. I never get it on the primary account (this YT one). ACM ... YT Any ideas? (This is incredibly aggravating.) ACM cough Erm first thing first. :-) ACM Are you running a firewall? Sure. But this is nothing new, and TB has always had rights to pass through, and still does. However, cough you have apparently found the problem. The reason I say that is, turning off the firewall just now, stopped the bleeping beep, which had not been beeping all day until this fetch. And turning the firewall back on again caused an immediate beep. This is not good. The ruleset has never been altered. And I never had this problem until the past few versions of TB. I just checked the ruleset. It's fine, and unchanged. I just moved the two TB rules (one for each account) to the very top of the rule list, meaning they get first priority over every other rule. Still the bleeping beep. Worse, we do not know why the bleeping beep doesn't always bleeping beep. I can assure you that the firewall is up and running most of the time. And I can disconnect from my ISP right now, and reconnect, all with the firewall running, and this bleeping beeping will stop for some period of time. (Intermittent problem; the worst kind.) There are very brief periods of time, however, when I turn the firewall off. It may be that turning it back on triggers this problem. But, this is still a new TB issue. I've been running AtGuard all along, haven't changed a thing, and never, ever had this problem before. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60k FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Turn off the bleeping beep
At the risk of being AOLish, I follow up to my own message: Allie, I think this is definitely a firewall problem, no question about it. But why, and why not both accounts, I have absolutely no explanation for. But, the darnedest thing has apparently fixed it . . . for now. We'll see if it stays fixed or comes back. I went to the ruleset for the second account. It specifies the application thebat.exe. Now, when you write these rulesets, there is a browse button to help you find the app, and also that sets the entire path line in the specified application box for the ruleset. I happened to notice that the entire path was missing, and only thebat.exe was there. Rebrowsing to TB, and getting the full path in there, has for the moment resolved the problem. But I remain completely suspicious. Here's why: First, it wasn't a problem sometimes. Second, the primary account also is missing the entire path line (only 'thebat.exe' is there), and the primary account has never been unable to connect. So, you tell me what is going on. lol Yuki Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 6:20:42 PM, Yuki wrote: YT Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 9:13:01 AM, Allie wrote: ACM -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- ACM Hash: SHA1 ACM Yuki Taga [YT] wrote: ACM ... YT For some reason, I'm intermittently getting a failure to connect on YT the secondary account. I never get it on the primary account (this YT one). ACM ... YT Any ideas? (This is incredibly aggravating.) ACM cough Erm first thing first. :-) ACM Are you running a firewall? YT Sure. But this is nothing new, and TB has always had rights to pass YT through, and still does. YT However, cough you have apparently found the problem. The reason I YT say that is, turning off the firewall just now, stopped the bleeping YT beep, which had not been beeping all day until this fetch. And YT turning the firewall back on again caused an immediate beep. YT This is not good. The ruleset has never been altered. And I never YT had this problem until the past few versions of TB. YT I just checked the ruleset. It's fine, and unchanged. I just moved YT the two TB rules (one for each account) to the very top of the rule YT list, meaning they get first priority over every other rule. YT Still the bleeping beep. YT Worse, we do not know why the bleeping beep doesn't always bleeping YT beep. I can assure you that the firewall is up and running most of YT the time. And I can disconnect from my ISP right now, and reconnect, YT all with the firewall running, and this bleeping beeping will stop YT for some period of time. (Intermittent problem; the worst kind.) YT There are very brief periods of time, however, when I turn the YT firewall off. It may be that turning it back on triggers this YT problem. YT But, this is still a new TB issue. I've been running AtGuard all YT along, haven't changed a thing, and never, ever had this problem YT before. YT Best, YT Yuki YT mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] YT YT Current Ver: 1.60k YT FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com YT Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] YT Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com YT Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] YT TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] YT Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60k FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Turn off the bleeping beep
Sunday, May 12, 2002, 3:13:26 AM, Peter wrote: PK I had the same problem about two weeks ago. I wrote my PK problem in the BAT group, but did not get any suggestions. PK Then suddenly it stopped. I am not sure if it is connected, but PK as someone also suggested for reason, I found PK exclamation marks with every e-mail in the log, due to a PK misdirected filter, which I corrected. It stopped beeping PK about the same time, but have not connected the two facts at that PK time. Mine stops and starts, too, for no apparent reason at all. I was mostly, blessedly, quiet today. But it is back to beeping now, even after closing it, then opening it, and having it find no new messages at all on the server. Damn stupid thing still beeps. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Turn off the bleeping beep
Sunday, May 12, 2002, 9:59:25 PM, Allie wrote: ACM I've been experiencing the same thing for quite some time and it seems ACM to be activated by filters that delete messages. ACM I changed the relevant filters to marking as read and moving to trash ACM and the beeping stopped. I have no filter that deletes. None. Zero. Never have. Only thing I do, only thing I have ever done, is move to trash and mark as read. The stupid thing beeps sometimes when no messages have come in at all. Nothing on the server; nothing to download move or whatever; still feels like beeping. I want to trash the SOB. Obviously, it is something else. A really, truly annoying something else. But this company no longer communicates in any real way with its user community, for some odd reason. So I am less than hopeful for a fix. I feel the code has gotten out of control -- completely out of control. Version 2 has priority, I would hope. But version 2 is a phantom of a myth of a ghost. RIT doesn't speak of version 2 officially. So it does not even exist in their minds, I fear. What kind of outfit have I fallen in with, for God's sake? Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Turn off the bleeping beep
Sunday, May 12, 2002, 10:15:20 PM, Allie wrote: ACM Perhaps a problem with the mail checking process. Your beep ACM could be a legitimate one. You need to find out when it happens ACM or there's likely to be no fix. Deleting messages with a filter ACM is definitely one way of invoking an unwanted beeping. Then there is another way as well, and a way that leaves no trace that I can find. Nothing in the logs. Nothing in the lil' information box at the bottom. Nothing anywhere. So I don't know how anyone would begin to figure out when it happens. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Turn off the bleeping beep
For several versions now, I'm getting an intermittent 'beep' (the standard Windows error sound) whenever I check mail, or whenever it's checked automatically. But there is no error. Everything is working fine. Log says so. Mail is delivered. Nothing in event viewer. Anyone experience this? Yuki ^_^ Using The Bat! v1.60k on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Turn off the bleeping beep
Saturday, May 11, 2002, 11:55:45 PM, Spike wrote: S Hello Ken Marilyn, S Have you checked ALL of the logs if you have multiple mail POPs? S I notice this every once in awhile, but it ALWAYS has been an S error checking ONE of the 11 POP accounts I have! :-) Happened S in every version at least once. Nope, there is no error at all, anywhere. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Turn off the bleeping beep
Saturday, May 11, 2002, 11:40:30 PM, Daniel wrote: DG It might be worth trying: DG TheBat! | Account | Properties DG Then un-check Play sound when new mail arrives Always unchecked. Still unchecked. :) Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: TB Hangs on Fetch
Saturday, May 4, 2002, 9:40:47 AM, Lynn wrote: LT The fetch hang seems to be fixed. My gratitude knows no bounds; LT in the usual way of things my system is up 24/7, and the LT rebooting was driving me nuts. I have never experienced this type of hang, but since version h, and now still at least twice with i, I have gotten an 'unable to connect' when trying to retrieve. The work around is to kill and restart the connection; I always get in then, and I usually get in many times later. But eventually I seem to get this 'unable' again (never on an initial connect, once in a while on subsequent attempts only). I am inclined to believe this is some kind of a TB problem, although I do not notice anyone confirming this. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: disappearing e-mail leaving TB
This still has never happened to me, thankfully. But to be honest, it would only have to happen once. One single time that my e-mail database disappears, and I'm going screaming to another application. So I can understand anyone feeling this way if it happened. It's kind of like the first rule of science fiction robotics: Robots can't harm humans under any circumstance. The e-mail database cannot be in jeopardy, unless the OS is hosed. If you turn on the computer and can get into your OS, you have to be able to open your e-mail client and see all your e-mail (maybe the only exception to that would be bad clusters on your hard drive developing in the wrong place). That is rule one for me, though, and any bell or whistle that jeopardizes that rule in even the slightest way gets axed until the developer is *positive* that said bell or whistle cannot *ever* jeopardize the database. I do hope TB's developers understand this. It would only have to happen once to me. My e-mail database is sacred. Yes, I back up regularly, and would only lose a small amount. But it's too easy to find a client where this *never* happens, I'm sure. One strike, and you're out, Mr. Bat. Yuki ^_^ Using The Bat! v1.60h on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60h FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Strange Email
Wednesday, May 1, 2002, 8:01:35 AM, Ken wrote: KM Hello All, KM This may be a little off topic but wanted to ask your opinion. I've KM received several emails in the past two days that look suspicious. The KM last one read: KM Hello,This is a IE 6.0 patch KM I hope you would enjoy it. Why you wouldn't immediately delete this and forget about it, I don't know. Why you would even question it, I don't know. MS doesn't send patches. You have to go get them. If it's not infected, I'm the Pope. :) Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60h FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
What the hell???
Don't know what is going on folks, but I'm sure someone does. This list only, e-mail is showing up with what appears to be a yellow clock symbol with the envelope symbol. Any such e-mail, when selected, does not then relinquish the viewer when another such e-mail is subsequently selected. So, if I have a bunch of them in a row, as I do tonight, I cannot scroll through the message list. So, I will delete any such e-mail, unread, before performing any other action. What a PITA! Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60h FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anti-Virus
Wednesday, May 1, 2002, 8:17:16 PM, Marck wrote: MDP @01 May 2002, 20:38:15 -0500 (02:38 UK time) Michael Disabato wrote in MDP [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MDP Valid here using the CryptoAPI. The only problem I have with this is that, in my lexicon, Microsoft and Security don't fit well in the same sentence, unless the word non-existent is also used. :) MDP LOL! Just be thankful they merely implemented rather than invented the MDP standard! (or did they ...?) Remember, this is the same company that touted .NET as a secure way for them to store all your data on their servers, so they could dish it out to businesses on request. Yet, if you have a .NET passport, and you sign in to it, the first thing it does is warn you that the information (your .NET user ID and password) you are about to send is going out over an insecure Internet (accept Yes or No, but there is no alternative to Yes if you want to sign in). Who is missing something here, them or me? :) I am so glad hailstorm has fizzled into a drizzle. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60h FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What the hell???
Wednesday, May 1, 2002, 8:26:24 PM, Marck wrote: MDP Switch your S/MIME setting to MS CryptoAPI and then you will see MDP that the mail are simply ordinary S/MIME singed messages. The MDP Internal S/MIME support is broken in the 'h' release. MDP Either that or downgrade to 'c'. Yuck. I don't really want to downgrade to 'c', because then I'm stuck with the menu navigator button on the title bar, which I'm s happy to finally be rid of. I have no idea how to set the S/MIME setting to MS CryptoAPI. I simply have enable S/MIME checked in Account Properties/Options. Will unchecking it make this problem go away? Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60h FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 1.60h is evil: Vanishing message bodies
I'm not having any trouble with vanishing messages, but periodically over the past couple of days, TB (1.60h) seems unable to connect to the server after a while. This is quickly remedied by disconnecting and dialing up again. Never had this problem before 'h', however, and wonder if anyone else has run into the same thing. My guess is that it's a mail server problem, but if so, the timing is version 'h' coincidental. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60h FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Feature poll - double-click move focus
Anyone interested in this? Right now, if you double click on a folder, nothing happens. The focus just stays right there, as if you'd single-clicked it for the very reason of putting the focus there. This is fine as far as it goes of course, but then it takes an extra wrist movement (and an extra click, naturally) to put the focus on the message list. How about a double-click on a folder putting the focus on that folder's message list, assuming that could be implemented? I am also assuming here the focus would go to the same message that had the focus the previous time that folder's list had the focus. Anyone like this idea? -- Best, Yuki ^_^ Using The Bat! v1.60c on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Feature poll - double-click move focus
Monday, April 8, 2002, 5:33:57 PM, Dierk wrote: DH Hello Yuki! DH On Monday, April 8, 2002 at 10:00:17 AM you wrote: How about a double-click on a folder putting the focus on that folder's message list, assuming that could be implemented? DH Yes. I am also assuming here the focus would go to the same message that had the focus the previous time that folder's list had the focus. DH Why not the first unread message? Could be done that way too, of course. First unread if there is one, otherwise last read, which would be the same as last focus, probably. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Feature poll - double-click move focus
Monday, April 8, 2002, 8:18:40 PM, Allie wrote: ACM I tend to agree with you there. ACM I think it would be better that if double clicking on the folder ACM did anything it should really open the folder's view folder ACM window for browsing the folder in a separate window. Ugh. Well, his reason was non-standard, so I don't think you'll persuade him on that one either. :) Seems popular with many, however, and it's just a step saver. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Feature poll - double-click move focus
Monday, April 8, 2002, 8:48:36 PM, Allie wrote: ACM On Mon, 8 Apr 2002 13:37:28 +0200, Marcus Ohlström [MO] graced us with ACM these comments: ACM ... MO Again, consider the behaviour of explorer.exe. When you double MO click a folder no other windows opens up. If you want to open a MO separate window you have to right click and choose Open (I MO think, I'm using a Swedish copy of W2K right now). Exactly as in MO TB! ACM True. True, but a bit of apples and oranges as a comparison. Explorer is *not* an e-mail program. Agent, however, which is both an e-mail program and a news reader, shifts the focus from the folder to the message list when you double-click on a folder. Try it if you don't believe me. And Agent has been around longer than TB, and is arguably more popular, certainly as far as for reading news. So the non-standard argument doesn't really stand up to careful scrutiny. TB is not a file manager, like Explorer. It is an e-mail program, like Agent. And just about anyone will tell you that Agent is miles easier to navigate with -- mostly one-key shortcuts and spacebar scrolling both through the message and the list. There are some things that TB could do better, IMO. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AV scanning in TheBat!1.60c
Wednesday, April 3, 2002, 8:34:59 PM, marco wrote: m I am using Norton Antivirus 2002. This has an option to scan the m incoming and outgoing ports for e-mail. Works pretty good with The m Bat! too. Does work, but if you have Auto-Protect enabled (maybe a reason not to, but don't know one) you are duplicating work. If auto protect is enabled, you *cannot* access an infected file or e-mail. Norton simply won't let you do anything with it. And all your mail is going to get checked anyway by AP, before you can do anything with it that will hurt you. Just yesterday, some moron in New Zealand tried to anonymously send me a Trojan (after I traced and reported said moron, he/she is now looking for another ISP, according to the good folks at http://xtra.co.nz/security ). I'm not stupid enough to try and run an exe from someone I don't know, of course, and just for kicks I tried to save it to disk, figuring it was a virus (came with one of those very suspicious subject lines) and I'd have a look at it. Norton would not even allow TB to merely save the attachment to disk, and this is with e-mail scanning turned off, just AP enabled. I could keep the e-mail on my system, which I did until I forwarded it to the folks in NZ. But there was no way to access the attachment at all, unless I wanted to turn Norton off completely and fuss with it. So I feel AP is fine. And since Norton's e-mail scanner causes my entire task bar group to dance a jig left and right as that silly little envelope appears, disappears, and reappears again in the system tray, while Norton scans mail that AP is going to pass judgment on anyway, I shut off Norton's mail scan. AP seems to give very adequate protection. I know these mail scans make people *feel* good though, and sometimes that's what counts. ^_- Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Next Unread navigation behavior
Like many, I suppose, but certainly not like all, I sort by 'created', so that old mail is at the top of the message list, and new mail at the bottom, with the newest of the new mail at the very bottom. Control-Alt-Left is supposed to move to the next unread message, and does so. But when the next unread is in another folder, the behavior is less than desirable for me, because it jumps to the last unread message in the folder (the very bottom-most message) rather than the first unread message (which would be at the top of the unread pile, next to the last read, where my folder focus would be parked). This means I'd be reading messages out of order, of course, so I have to manually put the focus where I want it to read them in order. For me, then, the shortcut creates more work rather than making life easier, particularly in large volume folders where repositioning may mean moving up dozens or even hundreds of messages, to the first new one that came in. In my case, it's better to simply navigate normally to the folder in question, since my focus will already be on the last read, next to the *real* next unread. Wondering if I'm alone in seeing this as a flaw (*next* unread, after all, would seem to connote the unread message that came in *least* recently, therefore being the *next* one you would want to read), and wondering if anyone has a work around. -- Best, Yuki ^_^ Using The Bat! v1.60c on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Next Unread navigation behavior
Tuesday, April 2, 2002, 8:56:24 AM, Allie wrote: ACM CTRL+Alt+Right will take you through the unread messages from ACM the top of the list to the bottom of the list. And so it does. I must be in 'misread the context menu' mode today. Sorry about that. :) Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: Inbox - Known - general comments (Was: Changing properties for Inbox - Known)
Tuesday, March 26, 2002, 4:58:16 PM, Dierk wrote: DH Hello Nick! DH On Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 1:16:52 AM you wrote: That pretty much sums up my view on it as well, and you can add the SmartBat memo pad 'thingy' and calculator to that list as well. Sorry RITLabs but there are much more important enhancements needed. DH The Inbox - Known can be of help if one does not have much experience DH with filtering. It is therefore a good (and very small) addition to DH beginners. (Note: I haven't used it, yet.) I would think that the concept of simply filtering to different folders based on the idea of grouping content is much more intuitive than the idea of dividing mail into that which is matched against your address book, and that which isn't. And as for beginners, I would suggest they are *highly* unlikely to start with TB. They start with what comes on their pre-installed OS, and they gradually start looking around for alternatives as they learn more about what can be done and what they'd like to do that OE can't do. By the time they ever discover TB, my guess is they already know a lot about filtering. And *anyone* who uses an e-mail client, even for the first time, is going to have a pretty good intuitive feel for what an Inbox is for -- what it does and what they can expect to find in it. However, TB now presents that theoretical new user with two of them. You tell me which is the less confusing alternative to a raw computer rookie. :) DH The SmartBat is useful for transferring text of any kind (including DH filters) between accounts, messages, even programmes). Easier than copy to the clipboard and paste where you want it? I admit to not having explored this feature almost at all, but from the description above it sounds like . . . the clipboard. And I already have one with the OS that works perfectly. DH The calculator has been put to good use within templates (I've seen at DH least one case in point by Peter Palmreuther). The Evaluate menu DH item is merely a by-product of the new %CALC macro. I'm sure *ALL* of this stuff can be used. :)) None of it is totally worthless, except maybe the Inbox - Known (ducking and running). :)) But *where* do you draw the line? There is nothing on my box, with about 20 gigs of programs, that I consider worthless. sarcasm So let's include *all* of it in TB. In fact, let's turn TB into an operating system, and be done with it. And since I'm going to e-mail that digital film clip to my father after I edit it, why can't I edit it right inside the same program that is going to mail it? /sarcasm I have simply two points: 1) There is probably some place where a line should be drawn, beyond which features tend to clutter and distract more than they add utility. (And I would say that features that put buttons where they interfere even slightly with automatic user program interaction probably are close to if not over that line.) 2) When there are *basic* issues outstanding, any attention to features that might fall into the category above is energy that could better be spent elsewhere -- and *especially* if there is even the remotest chance that adding one of these features is going to compromise overall stability in any way. But, hey, I realize this argument means nothing anyway, because the Inbox - Known is highly unlikely to ever disappear, I'm quite sure. I just hope basic things like the ability to communicate in all the world's *major* languages might get taken care of before anymore cutesy stuff gets tacked on. I doubt if the Inbox - Known feature will sell *one* additional copy of the program. And I seriously mean that, because it's an idea so incredibly unique that virtually no one knows they have a need for it. :)) Handling character sets that are used by about 1/4 of the planet's population might do a heck of a lot more for RIT's bottom line, perhaps. I mean, hey, I have an Inbox - Known, but I have to use Outlook to communicate with half of my address book. Life just doesn't get any better. :) Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Inbox - Known - general comments (Was: Changing properties for Inbox - Known)
Hi Allie, Tuesday, March 26, 2002, 7:49:08 PM, Allie wrote: YT the clipboard. And I already have one with the OS that works YT perfectly. ACM I wonder if you're being deliberately difficult with this one? g Not really, but I did admit that I haven't really explored this one at all. :)) ACM You can manage multiple clips of text with it. You can format them and ACM manipulate them as you wish. You can't do that with the clipboard. I'm not surprised there is more to it than that. The developers aren't likely to add completely useless features -- *except* for probably the Inbox - Known and the Menu Navigator. (ducking and running again) (^_-) But, it does strike me as an extreme power user kind of thing. I'm sure it's going to be useful for some, maybe even many. But I think you'll agree that there are a ton of folks who will never do more than open it once, gape at it a few seconds in somewhat befuddled silence, then close it again forever. :) I really think the next thing RIT should focus on -- *other* than FULL DBCS support, of course -- (^_-) is getting the Help files written, and I mean fully and properly written, so that people other than old-hand beta testers know how to use this stuff. You know, when I type 'smart' or 'SmartBat' into TB's Help/Index tab, I get a big fat nada, as in zip, void, nothing. And when I open SmartBat, I hardly get anything very intuitive, or suggestive of what I might actually *do* with the thing. I do get a date, which I already know, and I do get a time display, which duplicates the one down in the lower right hand corner of my screen. :)) The presence of a calendar made me think perhaps some kind of an alarm program had been incorporated into TB. As for the menu searcher thingy: a nice graphic layout of the menu tree on a single page in the Help file, with each menu item hot-linked to a complete explanation of that item, might obviate the need for it altogether. 'Menu Navigator' also comes up shooting blanks in Help. The time not spent on the Help files is a terrible, terrible shame. Want to impress people, as in potential new customers? Get the Help file done in a professional manner, a manner worthy of the program itself, and keep it up to date. No release is ever justified without a completed and up to date Help file, IMHO. I think the kind of people who gravitate toward a program like TB are the kind of people who like to use resources like Help files to figure a lot of stuff out by themselves. I almost never started using TB because of the rather sketchy condition of the Help file. The quality of the English alone tipped me to the fact that the company was probably extremely small, maybe even to the point of not being well funded enough to continue development over the long haul. Now maybe that judgment is all wet. Maybe RIT has hundreds of employees and a fat budget. But I got exactly the opposite impression from the Help file. It was only the obvious quality of the program itself that ended up hooking me, but I almost didn't get that far. And I'm still on my guard about the longevity issue, particularly as I see things not getting done that I would rate as essential, at the expense of what I consider a bit of fluff. All of this in the spirit of egging on RIT to make this the best it can be. Nothing else; nothing less. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug with Search Tool in 1.60?
Wednesday, March 27, 2002, 1:09:31 PM, Sebastian wrote: S Also, why does BAT ask me if I REALLY want to send a mail when I S hit send? How can I turn that off? Account/Properties/Options, uncheck confirm immediate sending. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Inbox - Known - general comments (Was: Changing properties for Inbox - Known)
On Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:42:44 -0800, Roberto Machorro [RM] graced us with these comments: ... RM I think that the Inbox - Known is a good idea Maybe it is, but to me it just seems like a typical case of software bloat and redundancy, albeit probably on a small scale here. Basically, what it seems to do if you enable the filter is to turn your normal Inbox into a *temporary* or *pending* Trash folder. Fine, but where is there any time or energy savings in that? (And before you are tempted to try and answer that question, read on please.) 1) If you are going to automatically delete everything that ends up in the normal Inbox (all of your unknown, not-in-your-AB mail), now calling your normal Inbox a SPAM trap, as some claim is the essence of this new feature, then why not send all that mail to the trash in the first place? (filtering so that non-AB mail goes straight to the dumper, rather than to a temporary dumper) 2) Obviously, the answer to the question at the end of number 1 is: Because there might be something in there I want to see. But, if you are *not* going to automatically trash this stuff, but instead are going to give the mail that ends up in the normal Inbox a cursory glance before nuking it . . . well . . . that's what you would have done had *all* the mail that you didn't filter to specific folders ended up in your normal Inbox anyway, right? So, I don't understand the savings in time or energy. 3) If you *are* going to automatically delete, as in number 1, you now have to do it manually rather than automatically, I guess. :) The feature *does* sort mail into two major categories: mail that comes in that is associated with the AB and not sorted to a specific target folder, and mail that isn't associated or targeted. Maybe some of you get enough mail coming in that isn't associated with your AB *and* which isn't filtered immediately to other folders, to make this a big deal. Not me, however. What ends up left in my Inbox after normal sorting is a very, very small fraction of what comes down off the server in the first place. I suspect this is true with most folks, too. Additionally, I often get mail from people who are *not* in my AB, but who are responding to me privately off list from one or another discussion groups that I belong to. So, if I use the 'Inbox - Known' feature and filter, I can't simply ignore that normal Inbox SPAM trap folder as stuff I'll look at when I have nothing else to do, because there might be something in there I'd want to read immediately. In short, I can't see I'd ever use the filter, nor the Inbox - Known. Seems like more work to me (another Inbox that *has* to be checked), rather than less. I'm sure somebody likes it, though. :) At the very least, I would not have enabled this feature on the install for new users, who it will undoubtedly confuse at first. It should be something that is normally invisible, but that can be activated if a user wants to mess with it, IMO. You complicate the *basic* interface; you lose potential customers, I suspect. What button is going up on the title bar next? :) Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: New 1.60 version ! :-)
Saturday, March 23, 2002, 5:57:25 AM, ETM wrote: E This is out of beta status, is that correct? E Elaine (who doesn't have the wits to be a beta tester) From the standpoint of 'you're not going to have any show-stopping problems with your basic mail functions', I think it's out of beta, and has been for some time. But since it's a 'silent' release for the time being, I would suspect there might be a 'bis' version later to fix niggling little things that are bugs to some, yet are unnoticed by others. Yuki Current Ver: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Res change in 1.60
All: When I change from 1024x768 to 800x600, and then back again, TB comes up with a truncated folder pane, only 600 pixels tall. Not a show stopper for sure, but this probably should not happen when TB is not even open during the transitions. I did open it once in 800x600, and that's what apparently causes the problem when I later change back. But I closed it completely before actually resetting the resolution, and I would expect it to open correctly in the new resolution, rather than remembering its size (and only a part of its size at that) in the old resolution. With some of the betas, simply minimizing to the tray and restoring would fix this. However with 1.60 that doesn't work, and I have to do a partial minimize and then maximize to get the display right. -- Best, Yuki ^_^ Using The Bat! v1.60 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Folders pane color
I have apparently forgotten how I set the background color for my folders pane. It is not Windows default, so I must have set it someplace, and I can't seem to find how to do it again. Can anyone point me in the right direction? -- Best, Yuki ^_^ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: Folders pane color
Tuesday, March 19, 2002, 10:11:10 PM, Nick wrote: NA Hello David Cohen, NA On Tuesday, March 19 2002 at 03:44 AM PDT, you wrote: Is this what you want?: Options | Editor Preferences | Display | Colouring NA That setting will change the Preview Pane background, and Allie NA mentioned a way he could also change the Message List pane. The Folder NA List background colour is taken from Control Panel/Display. I seem to understand this now, again. lol For some reason, I seem to have some applications that display this default background color slightly differently than others, leading me to think that it wasn't controlled this way in TB. But indeed it is. Thanks. Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[3]: Connection problems
Tuesday, March 19, 2002, 7:29:47 AM, Joseph wrote: JN For those considering switching from ZA: Things may have changed JN but the last time I read some postings on Sygate it was said to JN block only incoming violators. Kerio also blocks outgoing JN violators. AtGuard, version 3.2 also works wonderfully on W2k, blocking anything and everything you don't want, going or coming. It does *not* work on XP, however, which is another reason I don't like XP. :) Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Beta Download
Hi Michael, Sunday, March 17, 2002, 12:32:11 PM, you wrote: MLJ Hello Joseph, MLJ Saturday, March 16, 2002, 8:03:27 PM, you wrote: JN Are you using WinRAR 2.9 or a 3.0 Beta? MLJ I'm using 2.80 Probably need 2.90 to get it to work. Why the stubborn refusal to put these up in SFX format boggles my mind. Anyone know if there is a real reason for this stubbornness, other than the saving of the few bytes needed for the SFX overhead? Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[3]: Beta Download
Sunday, March 17, 2002, 1:15:24 PM, Michael wrote: MLJ Yes 2.90 worked. Odd. Good planning by the WinRAR folks, actually. They knew they were going to make a major program revision, and they made sure the last of the old line could handle the decompressing of at least the first of the new line. Of course the WinRAR folks don't even really need to do this, because ahem they have the good sense to put up all their stuff in SFX form, unlike some other developers we all know. ^_- Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Re-installation
Tuesday, March 05, 2002, 5:15:10 PM, Gerard wrote: GdV And that's it. A clean install with no hard-core user register GdV editing. Provided, of course, that you have a rather simple system, or at least simple to the extent that TB will reside on a volume with the same drive letter designation that it had in its first life. :) One of the great advantages of .ini files. Ask any Agent user. Pegasus also has a great little utility to migrate itself easily from one drive to another drive. Bing, bang, bong, you're done. You listenin', Rit Labs? :)) Would be fantastic to have something like that for TB. Right now, my TB is living on drive M. But I absolutely can't promise it will always live there, and I don't want to have to jump through a lot of hoops if it suddenly is forced to relocate. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Re-installation
Tuesday, March 05, 2002, 9:06:04 PM, Gerard wrote: GdV I did not realise that a backup would only restore to the same drive GdV letter. Will restore it anywhere, I suppose, but you'd have to go into the registry and edit the keys, I imagine, to reflect the new address. Probably not the end of the world, but Rit could probably whip up a utility in short order that would do that editing automatically, once the user input the drive letter designation. GdV I can only recommend that the place TB! on the C drive or partition. GdV There a bigger change of a C drive being present on your next config GdV than a M drive ;-) Don't want an application that contains an ever-growing database of maximum size unknown, and one that fragments over the place, on my system drive. But thanks anyway. :) Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: Re-installation
Tuesday, March 05, 2002, 10:08:43 PM, Yuki wrote: YT Don't want an application that contains an ever-growing database YT of maximum size unknown, and one that fragments over the place, YT on my system drive. But thanks anyway. :) Sheesh. I read that after it was posted, and I realized I'd just described Windows. ^^_^^ Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Address book -- multiple addresses
Is there a special syntax for adding multiple e-mail addresses to the e-mail addresses box on the properties page? If multiple addresses are present, which one ends up on the 'To:' line, or is there an easy way for me to select the one I want at the time of message creation? Best, Yuki ^_^ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: -insatallation
Tuesday, March 05, 2002, 8:19:00 AM, Joseph wrote: JN Marck D Pearlstone wrote on Monday, March 04, 2002: The latest actual *beta* is 1.54 beta/45 and is part of a beta cycle that is already nine months down the road and very stable. JN Your statement makes me think--again--of trying out the current Beta. JN But stability is what I need; a Win98 environment is what I have; and JN I have gathered from comments both here and on the Beta list that JN 1.54Bx and Win98 are not on friendly terms. So, my question is JN whether and how it is possible to preserve my current installation and JN settings, try out the Beta, and revert back if it doesn't work. Can JN that be *easily* done? I think it's not a problem. I did it (back from beta 44 to 1.53d) and I see to have no ill effects. I ran (screaming?) from the beta after I saw a couple of messages about vanished databases or folders. But I suspect this problem was peculiar to either operators or systems. I'm sure Marck can enlighten us further. I just don't need vanishing databases -- even though I run pretty rigorous tape backups. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Open Internet browser in a new window
Saturday, March 02, 2002, 2:55:00 AM, Marcus wrote: MO On Friday, March 1, 2002, 17:49, you wrote: How do I make TB! to open a URL in a seperate window without the need to hold the Shift key ? Use another browser - Opera. MO Or use IE 6.0 which have this feature under Tools-Internet Options- MO Advanced. Quick word of caution about IE 6, however. Many folks have subfolders in their Links folder, so that bookmarks, er 'favorites' can be hanging off the Links toolbar in a nice, organized manner across the top of the main window. In IE 6, however, there is a bug that causes any favorite accessed this way to open only in the first instance of IE, no matter how many instances you have going, and no matter which one has the focus. The workaround is to *drag* the favorite into the main IE window rather than click on it. But I won't be upgrading to 6 until they get this fixed. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: spam on the rise
Monday, February 25, 2002, 10:09:56 AM, Shoebuddy wrote: SJ Hello Everyone, Spam attacks are on the rise, jumping some 46 SJ percent since November. A year ago it was estimated that spam SJ constituted about 10 percent of all e-mail. That figure has now SJ jumped to 20 percent. SJ I have certainly noticed this with my email accounts! I haven't. But then, I am pretty careful about two things: 1) where I post my e-mail address, and 2) never, ever, under *any* circumstance, responding to Spam, including never responding to the bait about if you want to be taken off our list . . . . Spammers sneak in under the radar once in a while of course, but they are *never*, *ever* rewarded for doing so. They get zero acknowledgement from me. No satisfaction for them at all. BTW, what does the 'ads' in your e-mail address stand for, Shoebuddy? (^_-) Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: Purging, browsing, and other practical matters
Saturday, February 23, 2002, 9:20:07 AM, Maurice wrote: MS Just press Ctrl-] and you'll be at the first unread message in MS the folder. Not for me, it doesn't. Wonder why. I just did a purge and compress, leaving two unread messages in the folder. Focus was lost, of course, after that, being only on the application title bar itself, and not within the program at all. But even after putting the focus back on the folder manually, then hitting Ctrl-, nothing. No movement of anything, anywhere. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Threading problems
Wednesday, February 20, 2002, 11:21:39 AM, Roelof wrote: RO CtrlShiftDel when standing on the top message Nice, thank you. Sure wish that was a single key. RO Ctrl* Opens all threads in the active folder. Don't know where I got the idea it was Ctrl+, but thanks. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Writing and reading Japanese
Tuesday, February 19, 2002, 7:53:18 PM, Edvinas wrote: E And sometimes I need to write in lithuanian and in russian in the E same message. With The Bat! I'm in trouble then Same problem a great number of Japanese users have: both English and Japanese must appear in the same message in many cases. Japanese even use the Latin alphabet (called romaji, in Japanese) for some words or expressions. So in any one Japanese sentence, there might be a combination of any of 2,000 Chinese ideographs, 90 some phonetic Japanese native symbols, Roman alphabet characters, Arabic numerals, and native Japanese numerical symbols -- all in a single sentence. E I really hope that unicode support will be added in near future. I don't know what it's going to take, but soon I'll be using Outlook, I suspect. Tired of waiting for Rit to play catch up with MS on this. I like TB. But I like my sanity, too. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Threading problems
All: How the heck is this *supposed* to work, anyway? ^_- I have tried setting a couple of folders, this one included, to thread messages, using two settings: 1) View threads by references 2) Sorted by creation date, oldest at the top, newest at the bottom. I get threaded messages this way, but the implementation is far from what I'm looking for. For example, when a new thread is started, and several messages come in connected to that thread, deleting the top message in the thread has no effect on the other messages. Worse, it jumps ahead of the sub messages in the thread to the next unread in the next thread, leaving unread orphans that have to be dealt with. Even worse, if that new thread with follow ups is the last unread item in the folder, deleting the originating message causes the focus to jump UP to the last read message. So, how do you folks handle this? One thing that would be nice is if I could expand ALL threads in a folder with CTRL+ as is rumored to be possible. I cannot. For me, this acts only upon a collapsed thread when that thread has the focus. Threads without the focus are unaffected by the command for me. Same with CTRL-. However, fixing that apparent bug would not affect (one assumes) the way in which the focus changes when the top message in any thread is deleted. Are there some settings I'm not aware of? -- Best, Yuki ^_^ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Purging, browsing, and other practical matters
All: I like my messages sorted by creation date, with the oldest messages at the top, and unread messages at the bottom. No problem to do that, of course. But whenever I purge and compress and subsequently reopen a folder, the message list has lost the focus, and because of that the message list has scrolled all the way up to the beginning of the folder, where the ancient messages reside. Kind of inconvenient to reset the focus if you have a lot of *large* folders, at least for me. One way around this, I suppose, would be to change the sort order, and have the newest messages at the top of the message list. But this seems to mean that new messages will appear in the inverse order of creation, and since TB's default action seems to be to scroll down to the next unread (can it be set to scroll up?), I have to do everything manually if I want to read messages in the order they were created then. I am wondering if there is anyone else out there who has the same problems, and if there is a way of handling this that I have not considered. Best, Yuki ^_^ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: Norton Anti Virus 2001 and TB
Sunday, February 17, 2002, 7:02:52 PM, Geoff wrote: GL Sunday, February 17, 2002, 2:05:48 AM, Shoebuddy Jones wrote: Geoff, I have Norton 2001 and now the bat but norton is not checking each email as it used to do with OE. Do you know why that is? GL --- GL It works for me. Perhaps NAV is scanning, but you haven't enabled the GL systray icon, and so have no evidence that it is doing so. GL I've posted my instructions for setting up TB with NAV 2001 at GL http://www.gjctechnical.com/misc/batnav.html You can use this GL procedure to check that you have things correctly set up. TB should work fine with NAV 2001. But when I upgraded to 2002 I never got it working, and Symantec gave up on it, telling me to just turn e-mail scanning off. Don't know why, but it cannot be configured for me on a W2K Pro box, where others report success. I don't know if they first had 2001 on there or not, however. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: Norton Anti Virus 2001 and TB
Don't take my word for it; go talk to the Symantec people about it. This is what they claim. Yuki Saturday, February 16, 2002, 8:55:59 PM, Geoff wrote: GL Friday, February 15, 2002, 11:27:42 PM, Yuki Taga wrote: So, if you are running in auto-protect enabled mode, *and* having Norton scan your e-mail on the way in, you are enjoying repetitive redundancy, and probably slowing down your retrieval just a touch. g GL --- GL Not so. Using email scanning allows you to auto-quarantine or GL auto-delete infections while still having NAV ask you what to do if it GL detects a virus on access. GL If you just rely on on-access scanning, and have NAV set to ask what GL to do, it will halt your download on detecting a virus, which will GL hold your connection open for longer than necessary and will stop TB GL from downloading any subsequent messages. Check back through the GL archives and you'll see that this has been of great concern to many TB GL users. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: Norton Anti Virus 2001 and TB
Interesting. I have never had this happen, so let me see if I understand you correctly. You are saying that in auto-protect mode, Norton will stop a download if it detects a virus in a message coming it. Is that right? Symantec never mentioned that little trick to me when I had contacted them about my inability to configure NAV2002 to work directly with TB, after upgrading from 2001, which was configured to work with TB. None of the tricks I've seen or read will make my 2002 work with TB. That was when Symantec started going on about redundancy. Fortunately, I am not on a metered line, so this wouldn't affect me too much anyway, but I'm a bit unhappy to know that it would stop a download in progress, requiring human intervention to resume. Still have no idea why I can't configure 2002 to work, but then neither does Symantec, obviously. ^_- Yuki Saturday, February 16, 2002, 10:24:01 PM, Geoff wrote: GL If all your mail downloads are attended, they are correct -- the GL redundancy exists. However, the on-access scanner in default GL configuration on detecting a virus can, and does, stop TB from GL completing the download. Several users have resorted to using the GL Connection Centre, which lets you delete a message from the GL server without NAV interfering. GL Additionally, the default email configuration is to prevent timeouts GL by pinging your mail server, thus keeping open your connection to GL the Internet. If you have a metered connection, this can incur GL additional costs. GL FWIW, I spoke to Symantec UK about this issue after NAV 2001 held my GL connection (paid for by the minute) open for nearly two hours. They GL pointed out that I could choose a different option for mail scanning GL and advised me to use the configuration that I described. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: Norton Anti Virus 2001 and TB
Well, seems to me that's the best way to set Norton anyway. ^_- Never really considered anything else except automatic quarantine. Which kind of makes my first point valid, I guess, in that setting up Norton to scan downloads is kind of redundant, yes? (what Symantec claims, as well) I just don't see any reason to do it, since it doesn't seem to offer even one iota of additional protection. Good point about needing to make sure this is set correctly to avoid download interruption and hang on a metered dial up, however. Yuki Sunday, February 17, 2002, 9:00:01 AM, Geoff wrote: GL Saturday, February 16, 2002, 10:39:04 PM, Yuki Taga wrote: Interesting. I have never had this happen, so let me see if I understand you correctly. You are saying that in auto-protect mode, Norton will stop a download if it detects a virus in a message coming it. Is that right? GL --- GL It depends on how you configure auto-protect mode. The reason that the GL download stops is that NAV detects the virus and prevents TB from GL accessing the infected file until it has completed the required GL action. If NAV is configured to ask what to do with the infected file, GL TB cannot complete processing the message until you have responded to GL NAV. Because NAV is holding a message, waiting for your input, GL subsequent messages cannot be processed until you respond. GL However, if you configure NAV to automatically quarantine or delete GL the infection without asking, it can deal with the infection without GL waiting for your input, and thus should not prevent TB from completing GL the download. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: Norton Anti Virus 2001 and TB
All true. However, the *only* reason for taking the extra-resource using step of having Norton scan your e-mail is if you are running a box where for some reason you cannot run Norton in auto-protect mode enabled. Having Norton in auto-protect mode enabled already makes it impossible to open an infected e-mail or attachment without Norton catching it. So, if you are running in auto-protect enabled mode, *and* having Norton scan your e-mail on the way in, you are enjoying repetitive redundancy, and probably slowing down your retrieval just a touch. g Yuki ^_^ Saturday, February 16, 2002, 3:22:15 AM, Geoff wrote: GL Hi Hans, GL On Friday, February 15, 2002, 1:34:05 PM, you wrote: 1. What are the mechanics of below procedure? Does incoming mail go via Norton before reaching me? 2. Isn't it enough to have Manually configured accounts ticked in the E-mail status window? GL --- GL 1. In short, yes -- all mail goes via Norton Antivirus 2001. NAV GL presents a virtual POP3 server, -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: Future Development
Sunday, February 10, 2002, 4:58:08 PM, Eddie wrote: EC The development of TB! is very advanced - currently at EC v1.54beta39. There is a list discussing all pertaining to EC TB!bata. You also can subscribe to EC [EMAIL PROTECTED] an post your msg to EC [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's a very interesting Group. Very advanced in what context? What I am asking about actually, I guess, is the often referred to but somewhat phantom version 2. And my comment above is really about release versions, not betas. There hasn't been a new release version, highlighted on the TB home page, since June 19 of last year. I'm not really interested in running a beta, although a beta being developed with DBCS support would probably change my mind very quickly. Version 2, I heard, a long time ago, was supposed to be headed in the direction of DBCS support. I'd like to hear from someone who knows if this is still the case, or even if there is currently development being done on version 2 -- serious development, of course. I wouldn't be surprised if it's dying. E-mail clients are not fantastic money makers in the first place. I'd just like to know the current story. EC If you want to have a TB!Japanese you better get in touch with EC Ritlabs directly. I am not interested in a TB! Japanese. Not in the slightest. What I am interested in is a TB! English that can read Japanese e-mail, and that will let me input Japanese directly into its message editor. I hate to say this . . . but Microsoft is starting to get way ahead of the game here, with their Global Input Method Editor (IME). This allows almost seamless input of Japanese, Chinese, or Korean into English Office documents, or into English Web documents. Of course, it works just fine with Outlook, as well. EC No need to look for alternative - there are non ;-) It's nice to be a fan, Eddie. I'm a fan, too, but I'm not a fan beyond all reason. I need to be even more international than TB! is at the moment. And sadly, there *are* alternatives. They may not be as great as TB! in some respects, but I need to be able to have Japanese e-mail functionality on an English system. If TB! can't give that to me, and fairly soon, for whatever reason, it's probably time for me to move on, even if that alternative is Outlook. I would GLADLY pay a bit extra for this functionality, mind you, even with MS is trying to shove Outlook down my throat for basically nothing, since it's really just a no-cost add-on to Office. Yuki ^_^ -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Future Development
Sunday, February 10, 2002, 7:51:36 PM, Alastair wrote: AS Part of the problem is that TB!'s numbering is too modest - 1.54 AS is a big upgrade to 1.53. AS But, at the moment, AS + 1.54 definitely doesn't include double-byte encoding or Unicode AS support; A shame. I see that Shift-JIS character set support has been added to the beta, but this was almost a waste of time as far as I can tell, because almost no Japanese use this character set anymore. Everything, or certainly almost everything, these days, is ISO-2022-JP. Selecting Shift-JIS from the character set menu allows me to read zilch. Nada. Zero. AS As far as I can see the IME can work with third-party AS applications: AS So, in principle, there's no difficulty integrating it into TB. AS The problem is making the developers see this :( AS I shall email them privately about this. I hope you are successful. I may send a letter myself. Microsoft is taking this ball and running with it, and the end result is that I may soon be using Outlook. I run English Windows 2000, with an English Office XP on board. When I get Japanese e-mail and I open it in Outlook, I have to do . . . nothing . . . to view it properly. It simply appears as perfectly formatted Japanese text in the viewer. So, it's not an operating system limitation, given that you have the right font packages installed. It's a developer limitation, and one I think that any serious e-mail client with pretensions to internationalism would have to have this capability. Certainly when a free client has it, a non-free client is going to have to compete, or ultimately lose. Maybe the folks at Rit simply don't have a very good idea of how much Japanese and Chinese e-mail is exchanged between English and other non-DBCS platforms. I can assure them the number is huge, and growing by leaps and bounds daily. Microsoft is obviously on to this, and may make inroads into Rit's market that may prove hard for Rit to win back after the fact. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Future Development
All: With no release version since June 19 of last year, it seems that development of TB! has slowed down somewhat. If this is to concentrate on the (mythical?) version 2, at the expense of versions 1.xx, great. Anyone know? And does anyone know the status of incorporating full double-byte character set support directly into TB? Specifically, it would be nice if I could input Japanese directly into TB! using MS's Global IME, which allows me to input it directly into Word or MSIE docs, even running an English OS and English Office. Unfortunately, the ability to copy said Japanese input from a Word doc into a TB e-mail seems a hit or miss proposition. Sometimes it works, producing Japanese text viewable to Japanese readers on their systems, and sometimes producing screen garbage on their systems. I'd just like to know once and for all if we are ever headed in the direction of full DBCS support. If not, I have to start searching for alternatives again, and may simply have to resign myself to Outlook. Can anyone speak with any authority on what Rit Labs is up to in this regard? Best, Yuki ^_^ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Backup and restore question
Saturday, December 22, 2001, 3:42:14 PM, Thomas wrote: TF I wonder when they will finalise the Backup functionality. I am TF not using nor recommending it, because my old batch file is fast TF and backs up everything. Backup should be able to backup TF everything, shouldn't it? I sure agree there. As far as I'm concerned, a backup utility on an e-mail client is just bloat, and especially so if it can't easily and immediately lay down a clone of the program, including all registry keys, etc. But backups are a function separate from e-mail, and with all the very good and cheap ways to do them, comprehensively, I can't imagine relying on an e-mail client to simply keep the mail database backed up. For anyone interested, Drive Image Pro 5 (I have no association at all with the folks that make this.) has got it down really pat now. Especially if you are using something like Norton Ghost, you really want to look into this, as it has truly become a Ghost-killer. You can image a partition so quickly now, and even without (yes, without) floppy disks. Scheduling, the works. And even if you're not into imaging partitions (I keep the images on other physical drives in my system.) you can back up an entire directory tree to another location with the command: xcopy m:\2000ap~1\foo /c /h /e /r /k /y i:\foo-target This command will backup the entire tree under 'foo', no matter what you have in there. It will get it all, and copy it exactly as you have it to foo-target. You can set this up as a .bat or .cmd file, and hang an icon on your Quick Launch tool bar, or put it on your desktop if you like. One click from the QL tool bar, and it's done. I my case, foo and foo-target reside on different physical drives, and I'm willing to gamble that both drives won't crash at the same time. I use tape, too, but it's slower than either batch files or imaging, it's advantage being that you don't need to reboot the system to do it, as you need to with imaging. But imaging is the way to go if you are into speed and completeness. You can image, for example, a 3-gig partition in about 10 minutes. The image file will compress down to about 850 mb, depending of course on how full the partition is. With drives so cavernous and cheap these days, I can't imagine why people don't use them for backups, or even do mirror sets, etc. You know your hard drive will crash; it's only a matter of when, not if, so be ready with multiple drives already in the system. Hope this helps those who rely on TB for backing up. There are much, much better ways to handle this than letting TB handle it. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: New undesirable behavior
Thursday, November 29, 2001, 7:50:00 PM, Syafril wrote: SH I still have 'o version on my archive, I will upload I got it, thanks. Unfortunately, behavior is still exactly as I described, so I'm at a complete loss. I'm sure this worked before with the 'o' version, if not even with the 't' version. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: New undesirable behavior
Wednesday, November 28, 2001, 3:48:06 PM, Thomas wrote: TF Hi Yuki, TF On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:23:20 +0900GMT (28/11/2001, 14:23 +0800GMT), TF Yuki Taga wrote: YT Seems to check every 15 minutes like clockwork. My only problem, YT which is new behavior, is that it will not check when I open it and YT no connection is present. It will establish the connection, but not YT use it to poll the server or download. Have to do that manually, YT which is new. TF Hmmm. Are you sure you didn't change anything? It is still the same TB TF version, I assume. I am thinking along the lines of anther softweare TF download/installation that might have changed something to do with DUN TF or so. You know what I'm driving at. Anything like that? May have occurred when I went from 1.53o to 1.53t, and I may have just missed it. But that's about the only thing that would have DUN it (pun). DUN still works as always, and TB gets me online. Just doesn't poll immediately after it does. Wonder if I can go back to 1.53o safely and see. But I don't let anything else play with DUN, and it's still set up as always. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: New undesirable behavior
Wednesday, November 28, 2001, 11:53:50 PM, Thomas wrote: TF There should be no problem going back. Try it and let us know. Couple of questions then: Where can I get a copy of the 'o' version? The site seems to have only the 'd' version. Can I go ahead with a full install of 'd' over 't' (in case we can't come up with an 'o') without any problems? Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
New undesirable behavior
All: W2K Pro -- TB 1.53t. Seemingly out of nowhere, TB no longer polls my pop3 server when I open it when there is no connection active. It does summon the dialer, as it always has, but it does not poll the server, and there is no download. Once the connection establishes, F2 causes an immediate poll and download, as it should. If I open TB when there is an active connection already established, behavior is normal (poll and download). I am sure this is new behavior, where I have to initiate a poll via F2 when a new connection is established, but I cannot account for any system configuration change that might have caused this. Advice counsel sought. :) Best, Yuki ^_^ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: New undesirable behavior
Wednesday, November 28, 2001, 2:48:57 PM, Thomas wrote: TF OK, let me get this straight: you have TB set to check mail every TF xx minutes. You open TB now. The connection was established TF earlier, TB will check mail. If the connection has not been TF established, TB dials but does not check mail? That is absolutely correct. I have it set to check every 15 minutes, and upon opening the program. Both boxes are checked, and both have been checked for ages. I never play around with it. TF TB's behaviour has always been described as such that it will not TF automatically check mail if you did not tick check amil on TF startup It's checked. And it used to check mail on startup. This is new and out of the blue. TF and you did not hit F2/alt-F2. The first mail check must TF be initialised manually for the check mail every xx option to TF kick in. Seems to check every 15 minutes like clockwork. My only problem, which is new behavior, is that it will not check when I open it and no connection is present. It will establish the connection, but not use it to poll the server or download. Have to do that manually, which is new. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: norton antivirus 2001
Saturday, November 17, 2001, 1:44:13 AM, Sam wrote: S This was my experience also. Norton AV2002 does seem to protect S the_Bat but not AV2001. Just the opposite experience here: 2001 would check TB's incoming on W2k Pro, 2002 will not. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: More MS trickery?
Saturday, November 10, 2001, 10:15:09 PM, Allie wrote: ACM I doubt that in this instance it should matter whether you're ACM using Pro or Home edition. I doubt it too, Allie. But I was asked, and I answered. :) ACM Have you tried a full reinstall of TB! so that the associations ACM etc. can properly integrate. Restoring from a prior installation ACM can leave stones unturned. :-) Not sure why I should need a full reinstall, since this was an upgrade (sarcasm intended) of a Win98 system. Couple of questions along that line, however: 1) Would I need to uninstall before doing a reinstall? (The reason for the question is that TB is located in the same spot for both the Win2k and XP systems. So I would not want to uninstall my entire e-mail database. I'm pretty sure the database would be left alone -- it would be pretty bad programming practice if it wasn't -- but I'd never think of attempting something like that without asking first. 2) If I reinstall over the current installation, would the database remain intact? To Gene Gains and any other interested parties: I still have no clue what causes the pop up. There is nothing about it that I can find in MS's KBase, nor anywhere else that I look. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: More MS trickery?
Saturday, November 10, 2001, 9:49:45 PM, Dave wrote: Pro. DG Hi Yuki DG Friday, 09 November, 2001, 22:57:49, you wrote: YT From about the 4th or 5th time I booted XP, and without fail since YT then, I've been getting this annoying pop up and event log message. DG Home or Pro? DG I've been running TB! on XP/Home for over a month on my laptop without DG anything like this happening. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
More MS trickery?
All: From about the 4th or 5th time I booted XP, and without fail since then, I've been getting this annoying pop up and event log message. The pop up arrive immediately after logging in, and if I sit and stare at the log in screen without doing anything, it will show up even there. Event Type: Information Event Source: Application Popup Event Category: None Event ID: 26 Date: 11/10/2001 Time: 12:42:33 PM User: N/A Computer: (deleted) Description: Application popup: Microsoft Outlook : Either there is no default mail client or the current mail client cannot fulfill the messaging request. Please run Microsoft Outlook and set it as the default mail client. For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp. Well, I went there. Sorry, there is no information, blah, blah, blah. Anyone know what is happening here? My Run key seems clean in the registry, as well as the start up folder. I can account for everything in those two locations, and none of these items acted up under 98. Would not be surprised to find MS guilty of trying to ram Outlook down everyone's throat of course. Best, Yuki ^_^ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Dual-boot; dual-access
All: Been running a multi-boot box for a long time, but as I do far and away most of my work in Win2k, that is the only place where I have TB installed. This morning I went ahead and upgraded the Win98 side of the box to XP Pro. Of course, all my NTFS partitions for Win2k suddenly became visible to the new system, as I knew they would be, and that allowed me out of curiosity to try and open the TB installed in Win2k while running in XP. And it opens of course. You go through all the checks and account setups, etc., but it's in evaluation mode now (only on the XP side of course), and most importantly, I can't get at the mail accounts created in Win2k. I have my license key, so I'm sure that's not a problem. What do I need to do to get one instance of TB working from both Win2k and XP? (All I want is to open exactly the same accounts in XP as already exist in Win2k, and I'd like to have the same color setups and everything else. I want to manage one single e-mail system from either OS.) Thanks, Yuki ^_^ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: Dual-boot; dual-access
Hi Allie, Saturday, October 27, 2001, 3:57:48 PM, Allie wrote: ACM The basic registry structure seems to have remained unchanged, ACM especially the USER settings HIVE. The most that should happen with ACM the attempt to import to XP is that it works or it fails to import. It does indeed work like a charm. The registries are virtually identical, apparently. A successful import message double-clicking the exported key file, and when TB opened it was as if I was still in Win2k. The *only* problem I'm having is that I have TB set to check mail when opened, and it is trying to call the dial up connection in Win2k. I think I named them ever so slightly differently, and that may be the problem. But it is a minor one, and I'll figure it out. This posted from XP. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
One bug(?) carry over to XP
All: I mentioned an oddity about TB that I was experiencing on my Win2k system some time ago, and nobody else claimed to have ever seen it, so I put it down to some kind of system bug perhaps. But it persists in XP, which rules out the OS. (Could be a hardware problem, but it's certainly not lack of resources, cause I've got them to burn.) Here it is again. Can anyone reproduce it? Do some work in TB. Close TB by hitting the top-right exit button rather than F4 or a menu exit. (There should be no other windows open, so that when TB closes you are left on your desktop.) Wait about 1 to 3 seconds, and a tool tip pop up appears that says, simply, 'Close'. Wait another 1 to 3 seconds, it disappears. It's no big deal, for sure. But no other program I have, and I have thousands of them, does this. And now, as I say, we have eliminated the Os at least as the cause of this. Anyone have any ideas why I might be getting this? I'm running an STB 4400 video card (16 mb of video ram), and I'm running in high color at a refresh rate of 100 Hertz, at 1024x768. Monitor is a ViewSonic PF 790 that can handle this easily. Yuki ^_^ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Monitors, PGP XP (was: One bug(?) carry over to XP)
Saturday, October 27, 2001, 9:10:28 PM, Allie wrote: ACM It's reproducible here on my machine. Funny that I use the same ACM monitor as Yuki Taga. ;-)) A decent monitor for the bucks, but the next one will definitely be flat panel. Here in Tokyo the prices for the larger sizes are starting to fall to within reason. I actually ended up with this because I had a PS 790 originally, which I had shipped from a US distributor. Wanted the PS 790 because it has a shorter 'footprint' than any other 19 monitor -- being only as deep as a standard 15, which puts the screen back about 3 inches farther from my eyes, and is quite comfortable. (The things we have to worry about in tiny Japanese homes.) ^_- But the red gun died about 30 months after I bought it (inside the warranty envelope, thank goodness), and since VS Japan didn't ever sell PS 790s in Japan (why, I don't know because they had a definite sales point for Japan, as I mentioned), VS Japan said they would ship me a PF 790 as a replacement. We ended up volleying 3 monitors back and forth (at their cost) before I got one I would accept. Whole experience has kind of soured me on VS, although I did (finally) end up with a decent monitor. (They don't send new, of course, as replacements, but reconditioned, and some of these have better specs than others.) LG So when TB! has finished its shutdown process, Windows can LG handle all the things that happened while it was busy. And one LG of this unhandled tasks is to display that Close tool tip. ACM Watching how things occur, I tend to agree with your analysis. Agree. This is the best analysis of the problem I've seen. Glad to know it's not really a bug in TB. And figuring out my dialer problem in XP was easy. In Win2k I had called my connection 'ATT Setsuzoku Service', and in XP I had called it ATT Setsuzoku Service. Making the edit in the XP registry key made the whole switch over really seamless. Not that it would have mattered too much anyway, because once I connect, I stay connected. So only the initial connect would have been affected, and only if I used TB to initiate it. About XP and PGP, however . . . (cause I know there is interest about that combo in this group), you may find some things don't work so well, especially any apps that want to use older versions of PGP, such as 2.6.x. For example, JBN2 is not going to run, ever, in XP. Apparently Quicksilver will, but if you are used to JBN, there is going to be a learning curve. I'm a bit surprised that JBN won't work in XP, as it works fine in Win2k, which has (or so I thought) the same restrictions on applications directly accessing the hardware layer that XP has. In fact, I would have thought since Win2k was a child of NT (really NT 5.0), and XP being a marriage of Win9x and NT, that, if anything, XP's restrictiveness in this area would be slightly less than Win2k's, because MS would still want to bring along a legacy app or two. But apparently this is not the case. Apps like JBN2 were really written for Win9x, and just happen to work in Win2k. But they apparently are never going to work in XP. So there are some surprises out there. PGP tray (6.5.8) seems to work, but on boot and on use there are 'warning' messages from XP. I refuse to use any PGP edition where source is not available for peer review. But I stray from the subject of TB! (^_-) Yuki ^_^ -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: large JPEGs crash TB!
Wednesday, September 26, 2001, 1:19:38 AM, Peter wrote: PM just recently a friend told me not to make the swap file larger PM than twice the RAM This is incredibly ancient advice, harking from at least the bronze age of computing. ^_- Your swap file need be no larger than the maximum need for memory at any one time. This is going to be *vastly* different from one user to another, and no one size fits all recommendation is appropriate. With today's RAM prices and a modern motherboard, it is possible to operate without a swap file entirely. On the other hand, with hard drives now so cavernous, why would one need to skimp on a swap file anyway? In fact, with drive prices so cheap, you can have an entire drive for your swap, getting it off the same physical drive as your system files, making it much faster indeed. Once you start manipulating graphics, the demand for RAM memory goes through the roof, especially when compared with simple text operations. Sixty four mb of RAM isn't much these days, especially if you're running apps like Photoshop, and manipulating large images. Your memory can be entirely used before you know it. In that case, I'd want a swap file probably 5 times my physical RAM. The old twice your RAM rule is just that: old. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Viewer navigation
All: As we all know, there is no single-key for navigating *back* in a message; you have to use Alt-arrow-up. Yet Alt-pageup and Alt-pagedown do not produce similar results, these combinations apparently ignoring the 'Alt' altogether and effecting movement in the message list rather than in the viewer. 1) Will we ever (PLEASE) see single-keystroke reverse navigation in the viewer? 2) Can we at least get some kind of PageUp navigation in the viewer in any case, or are we forever going to be limited to line-at-a-time reverse viewing? The spacebar for going forward is a wonderful thing of course. That it has no counterpart for going in the opposite direction is the biggest drawback for me about TB. Someone has a mind that works only in one direction. Just give us one bloody key, will ya guys? I don't really care which one it is. But I want one. A PageUp key for the viewer would be more useful than Alt-arrow-up anyway. Normally when you want to go back, it's to go a full page, or even to the beginning. Best, Yuki ^_^ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[2]: Viewer navigation
Sunday, September 16, 2001, 8:17:09 AM, Allie wrote: ACM I always thought alt-space would be good since the alt key is ACM right beside the space bar. I think that's a great idea. ACM What single key are you thinking of here? Don't really care. Just want one. I'll get used to whichever one is selected, I'm sure. Alt-SBar would be the best multiple-key choice. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[2]: Terrorist Attacks
Wednesday, September 12, 2001, 12:02:26 PM, Douglas wrote: DH Cabins can be sealed and armored, a foot button could activate a DH silent alarm that transmits data sending jet fighters aloft to DH prevent the highjacked plane's access to critical targets, manual DH control of the plane could be inactivated and turned over to a DH remote source that would land the plane, airlanes can be rerouted DH and the use of vital airspace restricted, passenger lists could DH be double checked for verified identities histories (maybe DH fingerprints photographs will be required), tv cameras could DH transmit who is doing what inside airplanes; airport locations DH may be removed from vital areas (w/ high speed train links DH between outlying airports and the cities). It's actually very simple. You want to fly from now on, you have to be willing to do it naked. Can't get on a plane unless you're naked. Yuki ^_^ -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[2]: Terrorist Attacks
Wednesday, September 12, 2001, 11:45:17 AM, Thomas wrote: TF I fear as much. G.W.B. is not a moderate person (as we have seen TF with the spyplane that was shot down over China), Seems you need a history and or a geography lesson. The spy plane, and that is exactly what it was, was not shot down. It was involved in a collision caused by an incompetent Chinese fighter pilot, and it happened over international airspace, a fact not disputed even by the Chinese themselves. It was not over China. And equating this incident with G.W.B personally shows a complete lack of understanding of the American system at all. These flights have gone on for decades, under every single American administration, left or right. TF You scare me. You scare me too if you think that anything other than thoroughly traumatizing both the perpetrators and the societies that shelter them will stop this. The cost needs to demonstrably outweigh the benefit. Only then will the act not be undertaken. Anything less than a comprehensive and forceful response will simply encourage further atrocities. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Live in Tokyo
Keiko san Konnichiwa J-wabe de Keiko san no uta wo kiitekara zutto kininatte imasu. Chokusetsu live ni itte CD wo kaitaito omotteirunodesuga, itsumo doushitemo tsugou ga aimasen. Moshi saki no Tokyo deno live schedule ga kimatte itara oshiete kudasai. Hayameni yoteini iremasu. Dekireba Kinyoubi ka Doyou bi ga iidesuga. Best, Yuki ^_^ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Sorry, mistaken message
All: Sorry, but a personal message of mine was accidently sent to this list. Mea culpa. Yuki ^_^ -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Changing sender's initials in replies
I have some correspondents who use their initials in their e-mail addresses, like this: SC [EMAIL PROTECTED]. When I reply to this, the reply starts out, Hi SC,. Is there anyway I can set TB to recognize a particular address, and get the reply in that case to begin, Hi Stephane,? Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[2]: Line wrap in quote replies
ACM like what I do here. Great tips Allie. Message is a keeper. Thanks. -- Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's new?
Tuesday, July 31, 2001, 7:29:46 AM, Lang wrote: LAD Probably I missed the 1.53o what's new file somewhere; it isn't out on LAD the website nor at the beta page. Does the list know what've been LAD changed up from 1.53d? LAD TIA... Speaking of that, has the beta page been moved? Can't seem to find it. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: Spacebar
Saturday, July 21, 2001, 2:26:27 PM, Dwight wrote: DAC On Friday, July 20, 2001, 8:39:16 PM, Avenarius wrote: When you're reading a long message, there is no way to return to a previously read section of the long message. But it's often necessary to do that if you need to read a message carefully, rather than just skim its content. DAC Not a perfect solution, but I use the up arrow to go to the next DAC message and then the down arrow to return. This gets me to the top. That works too, of course, but as you say it's imperfect, and especially if you are on 'page 7' of a long message, and simply want to go back to 'page 6'. -- Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Spacebar
Sunday, July 22, 2001, 7:06:23 AM, Avenarius wrote: A Someone might say, one-letter keyboard shortcuts aren't currently A possible in The Bat because of the Quick Search function. However A that's only true when the message list is under focus. When the cursor A is located in the message body, hitting any single letter doesn't do A anything. Could the Bat developers consider employing Forte A Agent-style one-letter keyboard shortcuts, D=move to next message, A U=move to previous message, R=reply, F=forward, A=reply to all, C=copy A to another folder, V=move to another folder, etc. etc.? Bravo!!! -- Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: Spacebar
Saturday, July 21, 2001, 2:01:46 PM, Terry wrote: TGM On Friday, July 20, 2001, Avenarius wrote the following on the subject Spacebar A What I miss is the option to move backwards using the spacebar A as well as forwards. Couldn't SHIFT+SPACEBAR (or, better still, A ALT TGM Alt up arrow works fine for me. It does work fine, however, I think a lot of TB! users are on MS systems, which mean that navigation controls similar to MSIE might be considered a good thing by many. Doubt if it will happen, but I'd much rather see a single keystroke for navigating back in the display. Spacebar is great for navigating forward, but I'd rather have 'Page Up' work the message display itself rather than the message list. Same with 'Page Down' for that matter. Is there an unbreakable connection between those two and the two arrow keys? (I don't know, but it seems rather odd to have this duplication for the message list if it's not absolutely necessary.) -- Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Strange quoted text bug
Thanks both Thomas and Devid for clearing up the mystery. Apparently, however, you can't set it to zero, just 1. If you actually enter a zero in there, it resets to 1 when you close it. But 1 is fine. Why is the default set at 20, I wonder? Yuki Tuesday, July 17, 2001, 2:59:15 PM, Thomas wrote: TF Hi Yuki, TF On Tue, 17 Jul 2001 07:46:04 +0900GMT (17/07/2001, 06:46 +0800GMT), TF Yuki Taga wrote: TF YT When quoting certain strings of text, TB! apparently is adding a 'greater TF YT than' character when it finds such a character in a text line, rather than TF YT just at the beginning of the line. TF TB will look whether there is any 'greater than' in the first 20 TF characters (if you have changed the default), and then treat anything TF before that as quoting prefix. TF How can TB know whether or not you 'mean' it this time? ;-) TF YT Anyone know what's happening here, or how to avoid this? TF Preferences / Editor Prefs / Quote name limit: 0 characters. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Strange quoted text bug
All: When quoting certain strings of text, TB! apparently is adding a 'greater than' character when it finds such a character in a text line, rather than just at the beginning of the line. Notice the exchange below, to which yet *another* 'greater than' has been added, as a result of pasting this message as a quote. Tuesday, July 17, 2001, 7:33:58 AM, Preston wrote: PU Yuki, PU Here's your problem: BuRBoOC:=If(OX,(O-X)/(THL),0); Oddly, even though this problem is becoming comical on the line above . . . I don't think that's it, Preston. I think that's an error with how my e-mail program is quoting text with that character in it. Notice in the quote above it's added yet another 'greater than'. Strange bug. Yuki It is not being screwed up on the line below. PU Should be: BuRBoOC:=If(O X,(O-X)/(THL),0); PU Only one greater than needed. Anyone know what's happening here, or how to avoid this? -- Best, Yuki ^_^ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: SendMyPGPkeys
Tuesday, July 03, 2001, 3:49:02 PM, Joanne wrote: JVWhat the heck is this??? Search for the missing words. lol Yuki (^_-) CB -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- CB Version: 2.6 CB mQCPAzpu58wAAAEEALzyXht2pA0kB1+EVsRc0xANB5QJvnjD8sneYoSuyn7mxBGq CB u490A+OpMfT0IsjLuv9rIH+FnxhTpbwBHALkLCNBP4p/Bv50O+O8q2Ea1bAJzHkv CB f4W6AWBqH9mdVwtz/nGidldmIDd7b2s54ytyhutU50bHs96SyxL6LXmtMKEzABEB CB AAG0H0NoZW1hIEJlcmlhbiA8Y2hlbWFAYmVyaWFuLmNvbT6JAJUDBRA6bufMEvot CB ea0woTMBAbMIA/43PDYMpDrXoqAOS3M7wJ3/6HlqndQgAqI2tw+UJr5il0DZ1R2T CB ZhHMY7xDucCK9B2OOuTBVAygI0FBtMS74J6fXMKVRKc7sAc70ZnjJzYIXHqGkO0G CB g5kdnRbvpWMwss3bpWCAQUpcj/Q7yGyQXrGAfVmjpMNcWlAp4pCFeTkFPYkAlQMF CB EDpvcoYS+i15rTChMwEB4MED/3CND72+XF6ozCabxcq+gzvKELNmttdIl3kSb4sL CB p+Mr+DvDRz/R4ezb/XotoD5Z6B/iusQesTYxIJvGKf8FJdmfQc1rs15x6p46ozH3 CB /bFKspalJSj+SxCH1yDKdT5GrhlibudR29onPWkR5q23yWmGRmQSUcF4FyYWqS/o CB IqW2iQCVAwUQOm917hL6LXmtMKEzAQGYNgP/Ra08h2DSBFVvEhNHswu7m80Nh5P2 CB TKe4Gyd5ERBmBh6KFBkG3hHpvjTloGOu9hbiq/yiaNDvyGNrnlMvdG4w2BBVYsRD CB FqHm1o1YSWxUZwSOujOtVufpaIWIUes9EvMwxVeWDMe+dsKHzZM1IbXFZPuaTwXe CB zlsQyLIVWQYavxU= CB =jcRm CB -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Japanese Capability?
Thursday, June 07, 2001, 11:21:00 PM, Robert wrote: RK This problem is one of the reasons why I am writing to inquire whether RK the English Version of TB can flawlessly receive and send e-mail in RK Japanese from a Win2000 machine. I have not had any definitive answers RK yet but I thank those who have provided information so far. As far as I can determine, the following is true, and is the case on my English W2k box: Can receive and transmit Japanese just fine. But, you will need an FEP to decode, and an editor to write in -- then cut and paste. Version 2 is apparently going to have seamless support for Japanese, whenever it rears its mythical head. -- Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Connection Center Blues
All: Can anyone tell me how to get the Connection Center to have the focus and be on top when TB opens? Before I ditch TB? (Seriously, I don't want to wear my wrist out clicking to bring up a window that needs to be on top anyway. I really don't like this. I want to see what's going on, and I want it on top.) Best, Yuki ^_^ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Connection Center Blues
Tuesday, May 22, 2001, 8:33:49 PM, Jannik wrote: JL It seems to me that the the pattern is quite simple: the only thing JL that will bring the CC on top and in focus is doing the F2-command. JL Perhaps this is meant as a simple way to ensure, that you can have TB JL check for new mail in the background without the CC popping up to JL disturb you. If I were you, I would uncheck the option for checking JL mail at startup and begin doing the F2-command instead. Not nearly as JL wrist-wretching as battling with the the CC... Takes one click to open TB from the Quick Launch Tool Bar and have it check for mail. If I have to click it to open it, then go to Alt-F2 (not just F2) to get it to check mail for all accounts and have the CC on top where it belongs, I just may give up TB. If the developers are going to muck around with such an important feature, apparently without much user input, and make more work than there was in earlier versions, I don't want the app on my systems. Sorry, but I'm really peeved about this. I want to open TB with one click, have it poll all the accounts, and have a progress indicator on top where I can see what's happening. Almost all other mail apps have this. TB better get it back soon, or, I wager, some users will leave, and not as many new ones will come. WAKE UP RIT Labs. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Connection Center Blues
Wednesday, May 23, 2001, 12:56:00 AM, Dierk wrote: DH -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 DH Hello Yuki! DH On Tuesday, May 22, 2001 at 2:18:13 PM you wrote: Takes one click to open TB from the Quick Launch Tool Bar and have it check for mail. If I have to click it to open it, then go to Alt-F2 (not just F2) to get it to check mail for all accounts and have the CC on top where it belongs, I just may give up TB. DH I still can't follow. When I've started my computer in the morning, DH first thing I do is to double click my shortcut to TB!. It is set to DH check my mail accounts at start-up, which it does. The CC asks for my DH password to my ISP and dials in. The CC gets the focus, goes to the DH front and asks for the account passwords at my POP3 servers. And the DH CC stays in focus and on top ... Not the behavior I get. But I don't have to enter a password for ISP dialup either. CC always is minimized. I can understand those who wouldn't want the CC popping up and getting the focus if you're leaving TB running all the time. But I also think this could be made a configurable setting. If not, I'm leaving TB. -- Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Connection Center Blues
Wednesday, May 23, 2001, 1:04:03 PM, Thomas wrote: T Hello Dave, T On Tue, 22 May 2001 10:42:49 -0500 GMT (22/05/2001, 23:42 +0800 GMT), T Dave Gorman wrote: DG Now perhaps if the CC took the focus every time mail was checked I might DG have to abandon TB! :) T LOL! T FWIW I, too, like the behaviour the way it is. :-) The behavior should be adjustable, obviously. -- Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Connection Center Focus
All: I have the Show Connection Center set to 'Automatically'. This results in the CC popping up when I open TB, but unfortunately (as far as I'm concerned) the CC does not get the focus. So, in order to actually see what is going on, I have to click on the task bar to bring CC up. To me, this is a design flaw. If we want the CC displayed, we want it to have the focus when TB opens. Otherwise, we can hide it. Is there a way to set this so it works like I would like? Sure wish there was a way to get the status of the retrieval (how many messages are on the server, and the progress of the download) into the main TB window. For me, having this information displayed in the Log Panel would be much more useful than the rather bland FETCH command reports that are displayed there now. But in lieu of that, I'd sure like to at least have the CC get the focus when I open TB. This should be a per-user setting, of course, since not everyone would probably want this. Best, Yuki ^_^ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Where'd my message indicator go?
All: After copying over the exe for 1.52f, I see that the pop up window that shows the number of messages and the total size of the download is gone. Too bad; I liked it. But now there is nothing that indicates how many pieces of e-mail are being retrieved, or the total size? If there is, can someone direct me to this. Best, Yuki ^_^ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Multiple accounts (1.52f)
All: I recently got a second e-mail address, and I added an account for it to TB. Both accounts are set under Account/Properties/Options to check for e-mail at startup. However, what appears to be happening is that only the account that last had the focus when TB was previously open is getting its mail checked. Has anyone else noticed this, and does anyone know how to configure this so both e-mail accounts get new mail when TB is opened? Best, Yuki ^_^ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Versions Coming Fast Furious
Tuesday, May 08, 2001, 9:10:04 PM, Silviu wrote: SC What in the world is going on ?! Have the RIT guys flipped ?! Doubtful, but a lot of users have probably flipped. g From 1.51 to 1.52 is a **minor** version change. For most users, there is simply no justification in downloading it and installing it -- unless you want to be constantly on the buggy, cutting edge of development. I will probably wait myself for at least version 1.6 -- and even that wouldn't have a version number that would *make* me download it. ^_^ Software construction is a trial and error process. Many, many builds are created. The RIT people are apparently putting them all on the FTP site, which is certainly okay, but most people have no business downloading them, IMHO. And when there is a letter designation at the end of a minor version number, you need an *especially* good reason to install it. You get a stable build, you stick with it until a version comes out that has some improvement you just can't live without. Even then, smart users let the cutting edge people find the inevitable bugs before installing. Installing every version you find on the FTP site is simply madness, AFAIC. From 1.51 to 1.52 is not going to improve your sex life. Pretty sure about that. And 1.52x to 1.52y is not likely help much either. -- Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[4]: Versions Coming Fast Furious
Wednesday, May 09, 2001, 1:34:28 AM, IronHand wrote: I Just curious: what does 'g' mean? It means 'grin'. Software construction is a trial and error process. I There is nothing like finished program, so You want us think, that every I program is a trial verion? Cute! ;))) Few programs other than the most trivial are ever finished anymore. Yes, I'm afraid that every piece of software you buy or use is essentially a beta that someone in authority has decided is good enough to call a release. Only people who don't code -- and I mean seriously code -- can possibly accept the idea that all software isn't trial and error. If not, can you please explain the term beta tester, then? g You get a stable build, you stick with it until a version comes out that has some improvement you just can't live without. I Well I can live without CC, but it's quite handy. It only looks bad. :( Installing every version you find on the FTP site is simply madness, AFAIC. I Why? Driving while beeing drunk is a madness. Using Outlook Express is I an insanity. But downloading every version on program XXX means, that I You like it. It also means you don't mind bugs, because they're going to be there. So it means you don't fear data loss, or whatever. Madness in my book, sorry. I And thats why I download every single version. You're a busy fellow. ^_^ -- Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Versions Coming Fast Furious
Wednesday, May 09, 2001, 4:11:45 AM, Nick wrote: NA Yuki, we are not talking about the FTP site... on that issue I agree with NA you... but TB! 1.52f is what is on the main Web page for people who want NA to either try or purchase the Program. Yesterday, throughout the day the NA version numbers on the Web page were changing just as fast as they were on NA the FTP site. Didn't realize that. IMHO, a minor version number with a letter suffix is hardly a confidence builder for new users. (at least not for new users who have a clue about software, anyway) Perhaps RIT ought to release fewer versions publicly, and perhaps they ought to renumber any released version to end with at least a .5 if not a .0. Or, as a last resort, they could simply tell everyone that they are beta testers. lol Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
How do I . . . (attachments)
All: I usually have attachments set to 'hide', because I don't like the way some of my messages get formatted when extra horizontal space is taken up by the attachment symbol. But when I set the viewer this way, I can't figure out how to save the attachments. (Most of the attachments I receive are gif files.) Can I have my cake and eat it too? -- Best, Yuki ^_^ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
