Re: TBUDL ... and WinNT 4.0 with SP 6 ?!
Hello Allie Martin, On Wed, 2 Feb 2000 13:39:43 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, February 03, 2000, 1:39:43 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Allie Martin wrote: On Wed, 2 Feb 2000 15:18:15 +0100, Wieland Belka wrote: ... you are using WinNT 4.0 with Service Pack 6 ?! I'm using WinNT 4.0, too, but with SP 5. Is this SP only an American version ? Or is there a German one, too ? I don't know. Tracer? Anyone? Do you know anything on this? I always used the USA versions but as far as I know German versions are available by download. The security addons are also available as standlone product from an external supplier if I remember correctly, so you may be able to get your 128 bit anyway. Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.39 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: HTML
Hello Angel, On Wed, 2 Feb 2000 09:30:00 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, February 03, 2000, 12:30:00 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Angel wrote: Give that a shot and see if it works... you didn't mention sending MIME so that is why I wrote... :D If you happen to have adobe writer installed, you should be able to print the page as a PDF file and attach that Only problem I had was that it didnt print the background but then I only tested it on one file... Regards, ~~~Angel ...your RDR [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.39 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: HTML
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 11:28:02 +0800 GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, February 01, 2000, 10:28:02 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Thomas Fernandez wrote: No, they don't know how to open attachments. I'm happy they can read our emails and even reply and create. A picture now and then would make them happy. That's the point. ;-) No idea if it helps but for picture viewing ACDSEE is very good. if it helps THEM, no idea... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Is there any omparison chart between some major e-mail clients and The Bat ?
Hello Homesick Mac, On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 23:36:32 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, February 02, 2000, 5:36:32 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Homesick Mac wrote: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 Hi folks, has anybody ever done or maybe seen some kind of comparison chart between major e-mail clients and TB ? No, but acc to one of the cracking groups, this is what they think of the Bat. No idea if they wrote it or found it somewhere else but the recommendation is clear... quote: ³³ ³ The Bat! is a powerful, highly configurable, yet easy to use, email client ³ ³ for the casual user or the power user, the home or the office. ³ ³³ ³ Features: ³ ³ -Unlimited multiple accounts and multiple users³ ³ -Familiar Explorer-style folders for organizing messages ³ ³ -Easily configurable user interface with message preview option³ ³ -Process email in the background for all accounts simultaneously ³ ³ -Built-in HTML email viewer and message editor with spell-as-you-go³ ³ -Fully customizable message templates for maximum flexibility ³ ³ -Powerful filtering for automated message handling ³ ³ -Sophisticated address book for storing all personal information ³ ³ -Unique Mail Ticker for email notification ³ ³ -Mail Dispatcher for managing email on remote servers ³ ³ -Multi-lingual interface supporting 15 languages on the fly³ ³ -Support for all PGP versions from 2.6x through 6.5³ ³ -Import message bases from all major email clients ³ ³ -Many more features for managing email quickly and easily... ³ ³³ Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: and the appropriate encoding for tbudl international mailing list is
AM The next thing is that no-one is *telling* you not to use the AM signature that *you* like. But there is one very logical issue here. I AM would assume that you include a signature for your readers to AM understand right and not simply for you to admire. If they don't AM understand it, then why include it? Frankly, if I were in your place, AM I'd thank the readership for indicating to me that my signature is AM coming across as unreadable gibberish because that's clearly not my AM intention. Is it yours? If I read the string of mails correctly the many remarks / cinmplaints werent about the contents of the signature but mainly that receivered didnt have a clue what it meant due to all of us using different fonts. And explaining it in a poem doesnt help as the same fonts will show every character as it was in the signature... It was a nice short signature, just that almost nobody could read it(g) Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: New user's questions
Hello Jast, On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 15:10:12 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, February 01, 2000, 9:10:12 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Jast wrote: Morning Thomas Fernandez, 1. For the last two updates I always lost my sub folders and templates for all accounts in The Bat! I always had to make new one's again. But on hard disk there were all sub folders ... !? If the accounts are still showing in the Bat and only the sub-folders are missing, press Shift+Ctrl+Alt+L to recover lost folders and messages still on HD. I had recently due to a clean install and hard disk reorganisation a similar problem and none of my normal tricks got it back. Essentially MY problem was that if you move the Bat files to a different location even recreating the new/old accounts isnt going to pick up that you moved them. In the end I went into the registry, zapped all there is about the bat, and then on restarting the bat it wants you to set up accounts and then I selected the old ones and bang, back in existance. This whole nuisance shouldnt be necessary if the directory where the Bat is located knows WHERE the mailboxes are. Considering the many times people seem to 'mislay' their mail I would recommend getting this data out of the registry to the ini file or whatever. Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.39 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: stupid registration question ( that would be cool if it is. )
Hello phil, On Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:11:58 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, February 01, 2000, 12:11:58 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, phil wrote: AVK What the hell this was supposed to mean???;-) what font do you use? ùùv2.00 I hope this doesnt say: the Bat v2 (g) ùùv1.41 Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: stupid registration question
Hello Oleg Zalyalov, On Mon, 31 Jan 2000 19:33:39 +0400 GMT your local time, which was Monday, January 31, 2000, 10:33:39 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Oleg Zalyalov wrote: Hello, the Bat! list recipients, Monday, January 31, 2000, phil wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] about stupid registration question: p are we registered for thebat v2.xx if we paid for 1.xx? p simple yes/no is all i need. No, only discount promised. And new bugs (g) Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: Signature Thing Frustration
Hello Chuck Mattsen, On GMT your local time, which was Monday, January 31, 2000, 12:41:35 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Chuck Mattsen wrote: On Sunday, January 30, 2000 at 11:15 AM or thereabouts, Thomas Fernandez wrote the following about Signature Thing Frustration: Thomas You have life? - I have a computer. ;-) A meager semblance of one, barely ... would you believe I live in a one-room, studio apartment and just the other day I realized I'm surrounding by three functional PCs and three others in various states of repair/disrepair ... that's what happens when you work from home, I guess. Chuck You havent seen the room where I sit OR my living room. Even THIS system is under total renovation and while doing my email the rest of my e-drive is still being copied.. All the cases are semi permanent open, and I must have about 7 systems here in various stages of being changed/upgraded (except one, it caught fire on the motherboard...) -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38 Beta/3 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: HTML
Hello dMb, On GMT your local time, which was Monday, January 31, 2000, 4:26:08 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, dMb wrote: Stupid question time: As much as I loathe HTML email messages, sometimes I find it necessary to generate a new message in that format (rather than plain text). Don't ask why. But...what I can't figure out is if it's possible to do this within TB. Could someone clue me in? I just looked at the various options both in the main program, and from within the editor, and I couldn't find anything. you are correct. Use anything else like netscape, dreamweaver or even ie, zip the result and attach it. TIA, Derek -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38 Beta/3 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: HTML
Hello Chuck Mattsen, On GMT your local time, which was Monday, January 31, 2000, 4:49:07 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Chuck Mattsen wrote: That *does* work rather well ... just did a short test to myself, and it came through nicely except, of course, for the graphics referenced in the HTML which are stored in my FTP directory ... if we wanted to include inline graphics which would display for the recipient when sending, could we do that, and if so, how would they need to be referenced in the HTML? You have to build the 'website' AS a website, ie graphics together with html so it links together. Personally though I hate receiving things like that... -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38 Beta/3 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[4]: HTML
Hello dMb, On GMT your local time, which was Monday, January 31, 2000, 5:04:18 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, dMb wrote: Therefore, I thought of doing an HTML message with the pictures included, except that I'm back to where I started. Do it in pagemaker?? Asuming they can see the result? Still open to other suggestions, and perhaps a (loathed) feature for V2. Thanks. Derek -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38 Beta/3 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Signature Thing Frustration
Hello Tom Plunket, On GMT your local time, which was Monday, January 31, 2000, 6:00:03 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Tom Plunket wrote: -20 is too cold for me too, that's one reason I left Vermont. Now I still have snow on the ground, but I'm in the desert so it's warm-cold. ;) Whats Snow? I havent seen any in 13 years... Not only that, last time I spend some time in Europe I had the heater turned up as all my muscles kind of 'froze' and when they came home you should have heard the complaints as I had the heater up to 30C... -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38 Beta/3 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: CNTL-F4 as reply to sender
Hello Steve Lamb, On GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 28, 2000, 6:52:06 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: Thursday, January 27, 2000, 3:32:41 PM, Tom wrote: Remappable keystrokes can't come too soon! Turning off quicksearch entirely is my most desired feature (well, ok, second next to toggling virtual space)... You know, I've never seen quicksearch. *shrug* I only get it if by accident press the wrong key -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38 Beta/3 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Found a bug
Hello Syafril Hermansyah, On GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 28, 2000, 3:58:09 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Syafril Hermansyah wrote: Hello tracer, t Oddly enough before when I located a Thai font I could receive Thai t but not type it... You need IME for this. I guess Thai or Indian having same character set with our Javanese, Sundanese or Balinese from my country, they all came from same "root". I used to type but as said the old system was very messy. Ok, back on 98, om;y installed program the BAT. Both my motherboard (the Aopen new one) and that of my friend refuse to run under a clean installed win2000. Quite funny, maybe the board is too new or it doesnt like the Via chipset. When it enters the graphics mode, screen just goes black on me. A friend in the USa is getting one as well so presumably he has now found a similar problem -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38 Beta/3 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: SOT - Removing old DLL's
Hello Sir Jinx!, On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 07:18:42 +0200 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, January 27, 2000, 12:18:42 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Sir Jinx! wrote: Hello , I have two programs that need new versions of mfc42.dll and comctl.dll. But I can't remove them in _any_ known way I tried _everything_: deleting, renaming or cutting them didn't work. Even from DOS [Norton Commander] - NOTHING HAPPENED!!! Can someone PLEASE tell me what to do?! remove in dos, asuming you want to remove them. I would prefer a proper install of the newer ones so you have a better chance of not corrupting windows. -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.41 / Beta1 with Windows NT mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Found a bug
Hello Syafril Hermansyah, On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 13:33:34 +0700 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, January 27, 2000, 1:33:34 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Syafril Hermansyah wrote: Perhaps you right, but the O/S might be related too. Anyone who use NT Workstation having same problem (I am using Windows 2000 Professional now). Syafril, haver you installed the chinese option as well? Ie localisations, keyboard after which you have I think whatever you need to write and read chinese... -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.41 / Beta1 with Windows NT mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: SOT - Removing old DLL's
Hello John Sullivan, On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 11:39:23 + GMT your local time, which was Thursday, January 27, 2000, 6:39:23 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, John Sullivan wrote: If you select the mfc42.dll in explorer and press Alt-Enter, the version tab will tell you which version of MFC you have installed. On the microsoft support site (support.microsoft.com) there is a list of shipped MFC versions - search for "MFC version history", or now there is a dedicated page listing the shipped versions of *all* microsoft components (and which product they shipped in), but I forget the exact URL to this. I normally do a search as these files tend to be on systems many times. If you're running NT5/Windows 2000, then System File Protection prevents this completely. The only officially endorsed way is to update them through an official service pack or the windows update website. (I'm sure other, less official, ways will be discovered very soon though :-) easy... at least one Dos program will go into NTFS files and allows writing and I guess that the NTFS drive reading program under windows also will allow that. More important is what happens after you replace them as changing things like this in a secret way could collapse the OS around your ears For situations like this, MS now recommend putting the needed version of the DLL in the same directory as the application. I'm not sure if this works 100% of the time now, but they've modified the way DLLs work in Win2000 specifically to try and stop "DLL Hell". Supposedly autorecovering John -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.41 / Beta1 with Windows NT mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Won't check for new messages automatically
Hello Thomas Fernandez,
On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 21:46:19 +0800 GMT your local time,
which was Thursday, January 27, 2000, 8:46:19 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Thomas Fernandez wrote:
Hallo John,
On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 22:21:55 +0900 GMT (27.01.2000, 21:21 +0800 GMT),
John De Hoog wrote:
JDH always had a place in my heart for The Bat. The main problem being
JDH that it doesn't do Japanese. So I arranged to have all Japanese mail
JDH sent to a different account, and use The Bat for the rest.
Mine does Chinese. Do you have a Japanese Windows? In that case, it
should display the Japanese characters. Otherwise, TB still has a
problem with CJK, but I hope that Unicode will be in the upcoming
version 2 ("it will be ready in six months").
Thomas, my system does chinese... under English 2000
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Re: Won't check for new messages automatically
Hello John De Hoog, On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 22:21:55 +0900 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, January 27, 2000, 8:21:55 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, John De Hoog wrote: Hello, Bat users, Well, I finally gave in to my Bat fantasies and registered this software. I'm basically a mailer collector, being the proud registered owner of Datula, EdMax, DinoX, King of Mail, Akira32Gold and other obscure programs (all reviewed on my Web site). But I've always had a place in my heart for The Bat. The main problem being that it doesn't do Japanese. So I arranged to have all Japanese mail sent to a different account, and use The Bat for the rest. I think under windows 2000 it will do japanese... It does chinese even if I cannot read it If you can send me some Japanese I can read it with the japanese fonts snapshot them and send them back to see if it IS japanese... -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.41 / Beta1 with Windows NT mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Won't check for new messages (fixed!)
Hello John De Hoog, On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:16:31 +0900 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 28, 2000, 6:16:31 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, John De Hoog wrote: I wrote... JDH I have a permanent Internet connection, so no dialup problems, but JDH for some reason The Bat won't check for new mail automatically. I JDH have to do so manually. It now works properly. After setting up TheBat for the first time, I had never actually closed down the program. I tried exiting and then restarting, and now it checks mail automatically just fine. Thanks for all the help. (Does this count as a bug?) Quite a few options set in the Bat only work after a restart of the program. -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.41 / Beta1 with Windows NT mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: CNTL-F4 as reply to sender
Hello Tom Plunket, On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 15:32:41 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 28, 2000, 6:32:41 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Tom Plunket wrote: Remappable keystrokes can't come too soon! Turning off quicksearch entirely is my most desired feature (well, ok, second next to toggling virtual space)... Agreed, Quicksearch is one of those things I never use and which gets activated way too often by acident -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.41 / Beta1 with Windows NT mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Found a bug
Hello Syafril Hermansyah, On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:21:24 +0700 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 28, 2000, 8:21:24 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Syafril Hermansyah wrote: Not yet, but still in my other partision (I am dual boot, NT2000 and NT4W). I am using Office2000 too, and running more better in win2000 than NT4W). Thats what I am going to do in the next few hours. Dismantle my system, rebuild it, reformat a nice 13 gb drive with (* and then add a dual format win 2000. In mine, Win2000 running more faster than NT4W (same machine of course). Will depend on hardware/memory etc and whats running... t Thai works... Even in Notepad, Wordpad. Just a note, Chinese (or Japanese) character only seen better in replying editor, means if I receive Chinese character it looks like garbage character till I reply...seems like TB! auto encode can't recognize well the character set in "receive mode" :-( Oddly enough before when I located a Thai font I could receive Thai but not type it... Now I can type and send but let me se what it all does on a clean hard disk without generations of collected garbage (oops I mean stored data) Well, this is not good, but at least work for me (I need my sister to translate Chinese or Japanese, so generally I was forward/redirecting any Japanese/Chinese message to her :-)). -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.41 / Beta1 with Windows NT mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: SOT: Win 2000 and languages (was:Re: Found a bug)
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:20:35 +0800 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 28, 2000, 11:20:35 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Tracer, isn't your Windows Thai? g Seriously, the way I understand you (and Unicode) is that "all" languages are there in W2K. Wouldn't that be a huge overhead? English 98 v2m, as it will be I hope again in 2 hours. SH Just a note, Chinese (or Japanese) character only seen better in SH replying editor, means if I receive Chinese character it looks like SH garbage character till I reply...seems like TB! auto encode can't SH recognize well the character set in "receive mode" :-( Seems I now have a problem with it in the bat... Anyway, off to a clean install. -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.41 / Beta1 with Windows NT mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Why do I use The Bat? (was: On editors and wishlists)
Hello Tom Plunket, On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 13:53:18 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, January 27, 2000, 4:53:18 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Tom Plunket wrote: AVK Nope, I do not. Have you been subscribed to PM-WIN? Just for example: AVK here, on this list, only few of us have *ever* read RFCs (well, Steve, Marck, AVK myself, have I forgotten anybody?). I've read and argued news-related RFCs, if that counts... ;) I read a few as well, but I prefer to read different things and even less discussions about them(g) -tom! -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.41 / Beta1 with Windows NT mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Found a bug
Hello Januk Aggarwal, On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 19:32:43 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, January 27, 2000, 10:32:43 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Januk Aggarwal wrote: Hello Angel, Can't recreate this either. When I tried to forward a bunch of messages I just got a message with a lot of mime attached messages. Looks like they slipped in a nice new feature without much fanfare. :) maybe still under testing or incomplete? -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.41 / Beta1 with Windows NT mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
thai/chinese etc fonts/kb's
Tuesday, January 25, 2000 Hello Bat-users, We had a while ago a discussion about it and just having installed the win2000 I didnt see any sign of it in the control panel and that while early betas HAD Thai and I used it... oops, installed it I mean(g) Anyway, after awhile I found where ms has hidden the place to set it, and the USA version will allow chinese/japanese/korean and Japanese (and loads of others to be installed), they are on the cd.. However to set the keyboard you first have to ADD the keyboard... How this impacts the bats editor no idea yet but if someone wants to type or read chinese it seems that the current 2000 can do this... Anyway I will experiment a bit with my system to see if I can use the supplied fonts with the editor... One remark, its quite clear that some programs arent working or working correctly, the Bat though seems to work. Some hardware has the same problems. And an upgrade, as I expected, is the wrong way to try it...(g) (continuing) Ok, the interesting thing: I see 2 chinese fonts, both TT. Song and Wei I think. I see Thai TT fonts AND they type Thai. If correct, no idea as I havent got a Thai keyboard on this system. Intriguing though, it seems if like in my case keyboard is set via 2000 to Thai, I have at least 2 TT fonts which will type and even Chinese is there. IN the font list of the editor and I have never seen that before. No idea who else has 2000 installed but I have this odd feeling that TT fonts might already work... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 NO MICROSOFT VIRUS INFECTIONS mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: 1.39 PGP key generation
Hello Max Masyutin, On Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:28:56 +0200 GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, January 25, 2000, 6:28:56 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Max Masyutin wrote: Max Hello TBUDL! Max 1.39 was unable to generate PGP keys using internal implementation. Max 1.41 Beta/1 fixes that. There are no other new features. what happened to 1.40(g) -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Submission forms
Hello Jast, On Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:49:22 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Monday, January 24, 2000, 10:49:22 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Jast wrote: Jast That poses the question: How would I find out if they support the forms, that Jast is, ensuring they know what I mean when I ask them about it? g Sounds like the response we got means they were waiting for a volenteer... -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Pasting different block type editor options
Hello Andrew K. Lovetski, On Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:42:36 +0300 GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, January 25, 2000, 11:42:36 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Andrew K. Lovetski wrote: Andrew Hello, The Bat Users! Andrew In Editor preferences dialog we have "Pasting different block type" Andrew options: Andrew Skip prompt Andrew Adjust automatically Andrew What are these for? What does it mean, "different block type"? When is Andrew a block considered to be of different type, and different from what? Andrew Any ideas? if it doesnt make sense in the Russian docs what chance have we got... Sorry for the joke, I havent got a clue... Likely you found an unanounced option... -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.41 / Beta1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Submission forms
Hello Alexander V. Kiselev, On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 00:38:03 +0300 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, January 26, 2000, 4:38:03 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: Alexander You can't. Internal PGP works with RSA keys *only*, whereas your existing Alexander keyring is probably mainly DH/DSS... My keys are RSA and on opening the forms the error about signature is there. Have they been properly signed -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.41 / Beta1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Submission forms
Hello Leif Gregory, On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 06:14:09 +0859 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, January 26, 2000, 4:15:09 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Leif Gregory wrote: Leif On Tue, 25 Jan 2000 at 23:07:09 [GMT +0200], you wrote: MM Oh, sorry for my previous message... Sure, I do have the idea! As MM said, submission forms work with internal PGP implementation only! MM Select "Tools/Pgp/Choose Version".. Leif Ahhh, this does indeed look like the problem. I can't seem to figure Leif out how to use my existing keyring with the TB internal version, so Leif until I can do that, I'll have to wait to test the submission forms. just put the pgp path to whereever your keyrings are and the bin file and run key manager and import that rit lab key. Sounds like a good idea if some people could validate it as its not trusted at present... Leif Leif Gregory -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.41 / Beta1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Off-line button with bug?
Hello Leif Gregory, On Tue, 25 Jan 2000 00:35:15 +0900 GMT your local time, which was Monday, January 24, 2000, 10:35:15 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Leif Gregory wrote: Leif I'm going to have to play with it some more. Probably something stupid Leif I'm overlooking. I'm really good at doing that. :^) sounds familiar, I had yesterday the fun of seeing a machine I sold last week burn up a ramstrip and them motherboard. Fire and smoke and stench... Problem was I had taken it to my office to check, if it had burned in his place... Then the bigger problem of trying to figure out why and THEN trying to make the owner understand he did it (powerfailures here are great in doing this damage if you havent got a UPS) Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[4]: Newsreading with Bat?
Hello Keith Russell, On Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:08:47 -0700 GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, January 25, 2000, 1:08:47 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Keith Russell wrote: Keith Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. Keith That's better! Once it becomes a habit, you won't have to think to Keith remember 8-). Seriously, I do it without thinking t Since when editing its shown as a different colour the bat knows its a t quoted text and should be easily able to force this blanc line. t It would besides fix peoples bad habits maybe also make sure that t those new to the net donot get them Keith Might be a possibility. Have you submitted the suggestion? Since the programmers are reading this list I am sure they take any good suggestion without submission and dump bad ones even if submitted(g) Not sure what Steve thinks: system adding blank lines(g). Maybe we need some tab called netiquette where all that sort of stuff is set -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 LOCAL phone: 271194 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Ctrl-F4
Hello Steve Lamb, On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 17:59:23 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 23, 2000, 8:59:23 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: Steve Saturday, January 22, 2000, 4:10:31 PM, tracer wrote: It wasnt meant as a joke though as I use the PC often at night and I donot like very bright backgrounds or all the lights on in the room and I have several editors / viewers setup like that as the screen isnt too bright but the text is clearly visible. Steve Right. I have white on black. I, however, meant the pink on yellow as a Steve reference to the nifty-keen HTML messages people love to send because they can Steve do color. White on black gave me a bit to much contrast on the screen AND, which is more important, if the screen hasnt got anything typed, I cannot even see my keyboard at night, with blue I can ... Its also relaxing for your eyes, try it sometime. As most of my local customers had their PC's setup by me, they donot send HTML. ANY system delivered gets the active desktop zapped and email set to txt only with the lecture of they send HTML they have a chance to get real rude remarks from receivers. Same thing about sending BMP's and other bulky stuff. If they send them to me it bounces back and they donot repeat it once they have downloaded it once... Our internet is expensive so they tend to be smart about those things! Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Shortcut key list?
Hello Tom Plunket, On Sun, 23 Jan 2000 00:35:01 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 23, 2000, 3:35:01 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Tom Plunket wrote: Tom (I'm in the US and only have a US keyboard, otherwise I could consider Tom volunteering m'self.) Have those with the German layout and who looked at it seen any system in the differences? Are the ASCII codes the same? In which case all it needs is comparing the tables and making a long list of what the same codes correspond to in different languages. Tom -tom! Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Shortcut key list?
Hello Leif Gregory, On Sun, 23 Jan 2000 17:31:58 +0900 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 23, 2000, 3:31:58 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Leif Gregory wrote: Leif Hello Douglas, Leif I don't know of anything definite, but many TBUDLers and TBBETAers put Leif in a good deal of volunteer effort. If you can't find anyone already Leif working on it, maybe you could give it a shot. Leif I realize that everyone has a finite amount of time to devote to Leif volunteer work, but it's one of the greatest assets that RITLabs has Leif going for it. correct, I wouldnt mind looking at it but I havent got the keyboard or the windows. Added there are several versions of Spanish and keyboards for it.. Thomas, any ideas?? Leif Leif Gregory Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: Shortcut key list?
Hello Douglas Hinds, On Sun, 23 Jan 2000 02:14:22 -0600 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 23, 2000, 3:14:22 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Douglas Hinds wrote: Douglas Hello Leif all fellow TBUDL members, Douglas Saturday, January 22, 2000, 9:24:53 PM, Leif wrote to say in response Douglas to my saying: DH I know someone posted a url for undocumented TB! commands... DH Got it: http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/shortcuts.txt LG Version 1.11b is at the following URLs now: LG English: http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/shortcut.eng LG Russian: http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/shortcut.rus Douglas Which I thank him for. However, many of these commands don't function Douglas for my Latin American Spanish language keyboard. Question: Is anybody Douglas working on deciphering those differences? The multilingual support in Douglas TB is a strong point in it's favor to me, but this *should* be Douglas extended to it's logical conclusive, I believe. Once again: Can we Douglas expect anything to that effect any time soon? Doug, to do that properly it needs very likely someone with the keyboard... AND the windows installed. Now I donot know how many Mexican Spanish keyboards they have in the programmers office but I probably run no risk to offer them a bottle of vodka for any board they got (g). Especially on a system with the windows installed! What it needs is someone with a keyboard and the windows installed to go through the various combos. In most cases these commands work on combinations of ascii codes so if one looks them up for the USA keyboard and then find corresponding combos on your keyboard... To me it seems better though to wait for that v2 as then you can stick them anywhere on your keyboard wherever you want.. On the other hand it maybe a matter of a few hours experimenting on your system to get the mostb important combos. I prefr them to spend the time on v2 so we get that into our hands asap. It also will cut down on the dead horses generated... Douglas Thanks in advance. Douglas Douglas Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[5]: Web hyperlinks don't work
Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED], On Sun, 23 Jan 2000 04:08:37 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 23, 2000, 7:08:37 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nurmot When Win98 was built, Lord Gates had already decreed that, nurmot henceforth, Windoze would always come w/ the IE "innovation" so nurmot 98 was built around that decree. Yes 98Lite and Rom II remove nurmot all that they can but there's a significant amount that *can't* nurmot be removed because there are many multi-function files for which there's nurmot no replacement. These files were built for Windoze *with* IE. (if you nurmot followed the M$ anti-trust proceedings this was brought up) It's nurmot my understanding that the 'HTML rendering engine' is still nurmot there.Yes, I know that the 98Lite and ROM II websites claim nurmot that they're removing "everything" but they're being semantically nurmot coy w/ us. correct If they really did it 98 will not run in many other parts of the program nurmot For example, my Win95B installed w/o IE was 49 MB. Win98 nurmot installed using 98Lte is about 100MB. Some of that 51MB is additional nurmot features in 98 but I think that the bulk of it is the 100's of DLL's nurmot that were really built *for* IE and can't be removed. win98 using 98 pro has a micro option: Or as someone said: This pro version of 98lite also includes 98micro for the seriously minded - install windows98 in under 60 MB and watch it fly! In short they managed to chop another 40 mb off and it seems to run real good like under vmware under Linux... A fast 98 without the internet stuff which is unwanted. I never checked what 96C installed if one didnt want ie4 but if I remember correctly you could select the desktop integration nurmot Where i'm going w/ all this is that i'm considering an 'upgrade' nurmot to Win98. If it's true that your version makes hyperlinks work nurmot in TB! then that would definitely push me in that direction. read the above but it clearly states it removes stuff you may need for other things as well thanks to the mixed DLL strategy of MS. I am not sure which path you followed to install 95b with no IE; that is the reason I went with 98, I never found a tutorial on how to do it 100%. same here, a private post would be welcome on this trick nurmot You're probably better off w/ 98 but if you ever want to "go backwards" then nurmot here's some links to the procedure: It's quite simple - doesn't nurmot require any software. A reinstall of 98 from Dos out likely will fix it. nurmot Whoops, just tried the links and they're both dead. If you (or anyone nurmot else) really want this info I have it written down somewhere. See me nurmot 'off-line'. But its unlikely to be full proof. On the other hand I have systems I wouldnt mind really chopping down to size like my kids gaming system... will never have internet anyway! Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Newsreading with Bat?
Hello Keith Russell, On Sun, 23 Jan 2000 20:54:19 -0700 GMT your local time, which was Monday, January 24, 2000, 10:54:19 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Keith Russell wrote: Keith It frustrates me that I and several others have asked you to put lines Keith between quotes, and that even in responding to such a request, you Keith don't put a line! Please don't take this personally, because you've Keith been really helpful to me and to many others on the list. I am willing but problem is that in working through loads of mails its very hard to remember doing it.. Also in corresponding with people one to one it was never a real problem. On the other hand the cure is simple, optionally have the system FORCE that blank line or separator. Since when editing its shown as a different colour the bat knows its a quoted text and should be easily able to force this blanc line. It would besides fix peoples bad habits maybe also make sure that those new to the net donot get them Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 LOCAL phone: 271194 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Newsreading with Bat?
Hello Jast, On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 05:36:20 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Saturday, January 22, 2000, 11:36:20 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Jast wrote: Jast Not every (net) community has the same standards and rules, and in some good Jast message trimming and formatting might not be so important. But it is here, Jast and I'd prefer if sir tracer would trim his mails a little and put a line Jast after the quotes . . . please? Spmeone told me that one really should have a separator line as a feature of the bat when quoting, or a blank line. Anyway, I donot see lines after quotes in your msg so I do musunderstand it? I thought its obvious when quoting since the name of the person quoted is still there... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Ctrl-F4
Hello Steve Lamb, On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 10:14:07 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Saturday, January 22, 2000, 1:14:07 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: Steve There is not a single legitimate argument for it. It is one of those Steve things in TB!, along with RE counting, that *NEVER* should have been Steve implemented, *MUST* be removed and, damned all to hell, some people think is a Steve really swell idea. No doubt they want bright pink text on a yellow Steve background, with blink, as well. Geez. What about white on blue? Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Addressee on TBUDL (was:Re: Ctrl-F4)
Hello Nick Danger, On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 12:12:08 -0600 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 23, 2000, 1:12:08 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Nick Danger wrote: Nick In Reference to "Addressee on TBUDL (was:Re: Ctrl-F4)" From Marck D. Pearlstone: MDP Okay, okay - here's my *final* offer. I still don't see what was wrong MDP in the first place (yeah, yeah; I know!). *mumble* *grumble* *sulk*. Nick Oh, this is too much fun now not to toss in my own couple of Nick coppers... How about the ever popular slash? What about making it a selectable item from a list? (g) Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Ctrl-F4
Hello Steve Lamb, On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 12:13:32 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 23, 2000, 3:13:32 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: Steve Saturday, January 22, 2000, 1:58:34 AM, tracer wrote: What about white on blue? Steve My experience is white on blue people actually are Steve reasonable. It wasnt meant as a joke though as I use the PC often at night and I donot like very bright backgrounds or all the lights on in the room and I have several editors / viewers setup like that as the screen isnt too bright but the text is clearly visible. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Web hyperlinks don't work
Hello Rob, On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 21:38:21 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 23, 2000, 3:38:21 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Rob wrote: Rob Hello all, Rob on Sat, 22 Jan 2000, at 17:31:15 local time (GMT +0300), Alexander wrote: Where to get? I'm usually manually cleaning off all the traces of IE, it's a lenghthy procedure g, but obviously something is left behind;-( Rob i don't think that if you ever installed IE4, you can get rid of it :-( Rob i'm still using the original Win95A, that came without IE, but made the Rob mistake of installing IE4, just to have a look at it ... i didn't like it, Rob it was too big, so i decided to un-install. Rob well, you just can _not_ un-install it !! it leaves stuff all over the Rob place and even after using the 'manual removal' from the 98Lite site, Rob something stayed behind that keeps creating the usual IE directories ; Rob Cookies, History, Temporary Internet Files ... Rob if someone knows a trick to kill it off completely, please tell If you want to run 95 with all the latest bells and whistles, you need 95C, which is much better anyway and which came out like 6 months before 98 came out. (stimulated by the DOJ courtcase...) IE4 is optional installable. 95a is a rather unstable product anyway, mostly used on older laptops... To remove IE4 after installing is a problem as its not a 'program' you uninstall. Its some addons and mostly registry settings. Like with IE5, there is NO program called ie5, its all changes to registry and some replacment stuff you already have. Its also one of the reasons many systems corrupted as the ie5 updates, versions present in developer kits, office 2000 are not the same so while the files present get installed, the registry normally gets problems... In a way Ie4 was the same, once in, extreemly difficult to clean the registry up. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: Web hyperlinks don't work -get a default browser working first.
Hello phil, On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 14:20:04 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 23, 2000, 5:20:04 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, phil wrote: phil 1st..dl netscape, http://www.ufaq.org/ phil opera.. phil http://operasoftware.com phil phil 2nd..inst windows, in a new directory using 98lite. Ie essentially a new windows installation... phil http://www.98lite.net/ The pro version has additional options but it isnt free and no idea what it does with 95.. phil 3rd..inst new browser and set as default browse. phil 4th..run ROM II. phil http://www.silverlink.net/~jensenba/rom2/downloads.html phil 5th..opt, media player 6.x after ROM II phil http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/downloads/corporate.asp phil 6th..fire, sec stuff, filt. AVK Where to get? I'm usually manually cleaning off all the traces of AVK IE, it's a lenghthy procedure g, but obviously something is AVK left behind;-( Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Newsreading with Bat?
Hello Christopher J. Trybowski, On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 01:29:54 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, January 20, 2000, 7:29:54 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Christopher J. Trybowski wrote: Christopher Hello Allie, Christopher On Wednesday, January 19, 2000 you wrote: Christopher [Gravity] Yes, but considering that I have to pay for the damn thing, the editor is UTTERLY unacceptable. How can you create a popup message saying that the flow of text is too long and that some readers may have problems reading the message without providing a solution?!! I never have that problem, I set it to the default.. Probably 80 or so \ X-News gives a reformat facility. Agent says nothing on the matter. I never reformat my news \ :) You cannot paste as quote and you cannot configure the editors color scheme. I donot use colours for news I can't imagine how the editor can be like this and there is no facility (unless it's hidden) to use an external editor. But I donot NEED one. Adimittedly its a bit like typing the old 80*24 line monitors but who minds... When I copy and paste text to 'message cleaner' it's done in a buggy fashion as well (that's unbelievable. I didn't know such a thing could happen). Whats mesg cleaner? never used it... Christopher Oh, come on, this program is a winner as far as bugs are concerned. Christopher Too long lines is one of them. But there are plenty of others, and Christopher plenty of lacking features (like Base64 and Quoted Printable support Christopher for 8 bit characters, code pages converting). I'm still using it, but Christopher only because I'm yet too lazy to switch to XNews. But I will soon! Christopher XNews + Hamster :-) Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: TB! v 1.39 Installation
Hello Douglas Hinds, On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:10:19 -0600 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 21, 2000, 4:10:19 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Douglas Hinds wrote: Douglas Hello fellow TBUDL members, Douglas Wednesday, Jan 19, 2000 07:13:30 I wrote to ask: Douglas Does upgrading from v. 1.38e to v. 1.39 involve more than switching Douglas the .exe file? (as in the last 2 previous upgrades - the last of which Douglas also had a new help file if I remember correctly). Douglas The file - that was downloaded on Jan 19 from Douglas http://www.ritlabs.com/ftp/pub/the_bat/the_bat.exe Douglas is evidently not a compressed file and wants to go into a setup Douglas routine when I click on it. Do I need to go through that? Douglas The above was included in a post with a number of other issues and Douglas wasn't responded to. Since you already have it downloaded I would just install the whole thing as one never knows what other undocumented changed have been made... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[4]: Internal Editor + TB! v 1.39 Installation wish list
Hello Tom Plunket, On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:42:57 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 21, 2000, 3:42:57 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Tom Plunket wrote: Tom If you were to come to get carpal tunnel syndrome (which has been Tom extending its talons into me recently), you'll come to appreciate the Tom difference between pressing ^] for next message vs. 'n' or space. t whats wrong with arrow up and down? Tom Nothing, if unread messages thread anywhere near one another. ^] is Tom the only single-key way I know to expand threads and jump read Tom messages though. If there's another way, I'd love someone to mention Tom it. My messages are sorted in received order and as they are filtered into their various folders, normally they are near each other. Tom -tom! Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Calling G.Cowling, SRNA
Hello Tom Plunket, On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:18:26 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 21, 2000, 9:18:26 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Tom Plunket wrote: Tom [sorry list, but this is list-related. ;)] Tom G. Cowling: Tom Hey, you emailed me but I'm denied from your mailbox! Irrelevant Tom chatty stuff removed... GC I work from my home. I also (currently) work at a local university. GC I have both commercial accts and an acct at the school. My commercial GC accts (on a LAN) will allow me to read mail from the server from GC outside the LAN, but not send mail from an address outside that GC domain. My school acct will allow neither reading nor sending from GC outside its domain. Tom Wow, this poses an interesting question. There are a lot of questions Tom I would have about what is and isn't possible at each of these, but Tom here are some options... Tom Can you send mail with your "home" address to your "school" server if Tom you're on the school LAN, or does it bounce these back? This is Tom basically what I do; I have different connections at home and work, Tom but I can check both accounts from either place. However, when it Tom comes to sending, I need to send to the "local" mail server in both Tom cases, but they're good enough not to bounce messages with a from Tom address different from the mailserver's domain. Tom If you can't do that, well, might you ask the ISP from your "home" I can offer that service in the next few days but allas it isnt free... ( I have to be able to have my beers from time to time (g)) Essentially we are going to use an smtp in a special mode to allow external logins to send, without getting spammers in it. It also would include a mailbox on the USA server. At present I am in the process of testing various email programs to see what works and doesnt. MS stuff works (outlook), Netscape doesnt, The bat I will be trying out tomorrow. Any resulting spam though from any user likely will get his originating domain banned in the Orb database Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
Hello Fred Weissman, On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 21:09:18 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 21, 2000, 9:09:18 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Fred Weissman wrote: Fred Has any thought been given to a feature (option?) whereby a message becomes Fred automatically marked as read once it has been replied to? Since mail that Fred has been replied to is (usually) read, having the system mark it as such Fred would save a keystroke or two. To me it seems to be a bug if replying to a msg DOESNT reset the incoming msg as read.,.. Fred I will often read through incoming mail quickly, and reply later. Fred Therefore, I have the account property 'time of reading to mark message as Fred read' set to a very high number (999). Basically, this prevents anything Fred from being marked if all I'm doing is reading it now with the intent of Fred replying later. If it's a low number, the message gets marked upon my Fred reading, and I have to unmark it. Fred Comments? Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[4]: TB! v 1.39 Installation
Hello G. Cowling, SRNA, On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 00:18:53 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 21, 2000, 12:18:53 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, G. Cowling, SRNA wrote: G. in response to my saying: DH but while many of your comments may be helpful, I strongly suggest DH you suspend your assumptions to a greater degree and try to DH assimilate the approach TB takes to windows email. G. I'd probably have taken this response the same way he did. G. It also seems to me that software should assimilate and be responsive G. to the needs of its users - not vice versa. It as always depends on what the user wants who requests, how many others want the features, how mych work, ie economical to do it, and if others would object. Anyway, havent we made enough dead horses(g)? I would prefer to see V2 before we ask for any more big changes,, Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Newsreading with Bat?
Hello Allie Martin, On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 06:20:52 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, January 20, 2000, 6:20:52 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Allie Martin wrote: Allie On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 01:29:54 +0100, Christopher J. Trybowski wrote: [Gravity] Yes, but considering that I have to pay for the damn thing, the editor is UTTERLY unacceptable. How can you create a popup message saying that the flow of text is too long and that some readers may have problems reading the message without providing a solution?!! X-News gives a reformat facility. Agent says nothing on the matter. :) You cannot paste as quote and you cannot configure the editors color scheme. I can't imagine how the editor can be like this and there is no facility (unless it's hidden) to use an external editor. When I copy and paste text to 'message cleaner' it's done in a buggy fashion as well (that's unbelievable. I didn't know such a thing could happen). all I know is that in the long and distant past I used gravity for a month, then tried Agent. I never ever went back to Gravity or to another one. Ok, I ran a fully featured Agent 0.99 with a given key for 6 months and then decided to pay. Kind of stimulated as the new version came out and my newsreader stopped working but for me the choice was clear, I liked it and had my own code in a few hours. Agent may not be the best, it sure ismt what it could be BUT it doesnt cause me any problems Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
relaying.. a solution and a question
Friday, January 21, 2000 Hello Bat-users, A while ago i think Thomas complained about relaying problems from local isps when you are on a different provider then the one where your smtp/pop is. Ok, I have an smtp up and running on an usa server which at present is under testing to allow secure smtp login to transmit mail. Problem is that sofar Outlook seems to allow it, Netscape doesnt like it at all and not sure how to make the Bat do it... Its setup primarily for my own local users so that we sell them a secure mailbox independend from the in general lousy Thai isp system without being bound to a local isp for the mailbox. I have so many complaints that being able to do this means any normal ISP complaints arent going to be my problem anymore... Anyway, 1. any idea how to make the bat work in secure mode/does it work/has anyone tried it 2. Anyone interested, well, contact me on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 NO MICROSOFT VIRUS INFECTIONS mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Message not intended for posting on TBUDL
Hello Marck D. Pearlstone, On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 14:29:12 + GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 21, 2000, 9:29:12 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: Marck So - this line's a DEAD HORSE folks. Just one question, how many dead horses have been generated so far??? have you ever counted them ??? Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 22:23:46 +0800 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 21, 2000, 9:23:46 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Thomas I jsut tried it by randomly sending 7 messages to myself *and by Thomas mistake to the list as well, my apologies to all!, but my Thomas ticker is just a ticker. I don't have a virtual folder behind it. :-( I donot see it either Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Web hyperlinks don't work
Hello Angel, On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 06:49:55 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 21, 2000, 9:49:55 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Angel wrote: Angel Hello fellow Bataholics! Angel I don't know how I configured it Angel but I have Netscape 4.7 as my default browser and the clickable URLs in TB! work whether Angel Netscape is open or closed. It will bring up Netscape if it's closed, and use the current Angel window if open. worked on my system as well but if you uninstall netscape it takes so much stuff with it which it overwrite from MS that you need to apply bandages to fix it Angel Just general info: I use Opera AWA IE... different browsers for different "jobs" :D But Angel Netscape is my default. Angel Regards, Angel ~~~Angel ...your RDR Angel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Internal Editor + TB! v 1.39 Installation wish list
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:38:15 +0800 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, January 19, 2000, 11:38:15 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Thomas Hallo Douglas, Thomas On Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:57:20 -0600 GMT (19.01.2000, 23:57 +0800 GMT), Thomas Douglas Hinds wrote: TF While reading mail: I switch accounts with the mouse. DH You have to look for it. Thomas And you don't have to look at a pop-up window? TF I hope you don't mean something *always* visable. DH I do. Thomas My sincere objection. ;-) It can be optional... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Fwd: Re: Redirect (Bounce)
Thursday, January 20, 2000 sample of MY forwarded msg so what the heck is the debate all about This is a forwarded message From: Marck D. Pearlstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Redirect (Bounce) ===8==Original message text=== Hi Thomas, On 19 January 2000 at 01:03:46 GMT +0800 (which was 17:03 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: TF (We're OT again. Marck is selecting the knife to kill the horse.) Still allowing a few final breaths to see if there *is* a forthcoming "constructive" work-around suggestion (like e.g. manually or via QT modifying the subject to reflect the routing) before wielding the big old cull-hammer. -- Cheers, \\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY - Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ===8===End of original message text=== Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 LOCAL phone: 271194 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Redirect (Bounce)
Hello Marck D. Pearlstone, On Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:37:16 + GMT your local time, which was Thursday, January 20, 2000, 12:37:16 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: Marck Still allowing a few final breaths to see if there *is* a forthcoming Marck "constructive" work-around suggestion (like e.g. manually or via QT Marck modifying the subject to reflect the routing) before wielding the big Marck old cull-hammer. If I forward it has at the far bottom WHO forwarded it so whats the problem??? Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Internal Editor + TB! v 1.39 Installation wish list
Tom If you were to come to get carpal tunnel syndrome (which has been Tom extending its talons into me recently), you'll come to appreciate the Tom difference between pressing ^] for next message vs. 'n' or space. whats wrong with arrow up and down? Tom I am so happy someone pointed out that you can use the space bar when Tom the focus is in the message list pane. If only there was a way to go back Tom in the message... Also noticed that the mousewheel works in the Tom message view pane even if the focus is not there. Very trick. (why Tom isn't this in any of the documentation that I read?) A(g) DH but while many of your comments may be helpful, I strongly suggest DH you suspend your assumptions to a greater degree and try to DH assimilate the approach TB takes to windows email. Tom In other words "shut the hell up 'til you've been accepted as a long Tom time user of this program. Well, I think more of lets have a look at V2 as if its all reprogrammable keys what does it matter as there likely will be a whole book of suggested updates Tom I have four words I could say to that, but I won't. What I will say Tom is that I will speak what I know and what I feel, and these are things Tom that WOULD increase The Bat!'s (narrow) market appeal, and I will not Tom make such outrageous suggestions as adding a file manager or news Tom reader to the software. All I want is something that is good at Tom handling mail, both incoming and outgoing, both reading and writing. I agree but its no use trying to try to cause huge changes to bat V1 while we donot know whats in V2... Tom -tom! Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[4]: External editor (was:Re: suggestion- / wish-list)
Hello Oleg Zalyalov, On Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:32:52 +0400 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, January 19, 2000, 2:32:52 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Oleg Zalyalov wrote: Oleg Hello, the Bat! list recipients, Oleg Wednesday, January 19, 2000, tracer wrote to Nick Danger about Oleg External editor (was:Re: suggestion- / wish-list): I don't need excellent editor for editing mail. I am quite happy with mediocre one. The main thing I want from it -- speed. SL That is you. You're not me and, well, the other 6 billion people on this SL planet. Oleg You are not me and not the other 6 billion people either. Yes, the Oleg majority is on your side on this matter -- they prefer the fancy Oleg colors of M$ shit to the speed and efficiency. t If the speed difference is visible, what about a hardware t upgrade/ram??? Oleg Come here, tell it to my boss. If he/she pays my consultancy/travel fee, why not(g). Anyway, leaving that aside, last time I saw a wordprocessor being outtyped was in the xt period. Now to avoid getting stuck on the wrong side of the fence, I like buildin slim and nice/fast working editors.I donot mind what gets added as long as it doesnt interfere with that but if someone really wants fancyful addons, only thing I can see working well is an external editor. Anyone wanting those bells and whistles has to undergo the consequences. Anyway gettting back to my remark about hardware upgrade, proper defragmentation, adding some ram can result in a speed increase you wouldnt believe. If you think extra ram produces significant speed increases, ask a shop if they can SHOW that to your boss and convince him to look when to do. I never lost a sale on ram sofar, they always want to keep it... Anyway, this is asuming you got a bottleneck there but most people do. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: Error Messages
Hello Oleg Zalyalov, On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:13:21 +0400 GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, January 18, 2000, 6:13:21 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Oleg Zalyalov wrote: TF Thanks for your explanation. The previous session usually finished by TF my DUN connection going click-dood-dood- That's Taiwan Telecom, TF for your info. ;-) Sounds like you have the same problem as we have Thomas. There were even rude suggestions they do it on purpose to boost phone bills. Oleg That explains all. TF However, how do I send this QUIT command to the server. Oleg No way in this case. You have to wait those 10 minutes. No other Oleg solution possible. find another isp? Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Redirect (Bounce)
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 23:38:45 +0800 GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, January 18, 2000, 10:38:45 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Thomas Hallo Steve, Thomas On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 07:17:12 -0800 GMT (18.01.2000, 23:17 +0800 GMT), Thomas Steve Lamb wrote: %TO="Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] (By way of Jane "[EMAIL PROTECTED]") SL Oh god, *NO!* That has to be the worst suggestion I have ever seen. This SL is emulating Eudora's /very/ broken behavior and causes problems in the long SL run. Thomas Make a constructive suggestion. ;-) If its broken donot copy it (g) Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: External editor (was:Re: suggestion- / wish-list)
Hello Nick Danger, On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:56:41 -0600 GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, January 18, 2000, 10:56:41 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Nick Danger wrote: Nick In Reference to "External editor (was:Re: suggestion- / wish-list)" From Steve Lamb: I don't need excellent editor for editing mail. I am quite happy with mediocre one. The main thing I want from it -- speed. SL That is you. You're not me and, well, the other 6 billion people on this SL planet. Nick Hey, put me down on the side of speed. Now we're 2 against Nick 6,000,000,000 and a force to be reckoned with!! If the speed difference is visible, what about a hardware upgrade/ram??? What about making an advanced/simple toggle. Those who donot want to use the advanced features toggle them off.. (g) If you hardware is adequate you shouldnt see the difference. I just had a friend bringing me a repair job, a kind of sentimental one. Its my own old 486-50 I sold him well, MANY years ago with a 120 and 220 mb hard disk. He just blew the 'big' drive... After having visited the local shops he came to me. Its back working with a 1.2 gb drive (even if the bios doesnt agree with it). Even still has a years warantee left... I unstalled his sw. Even THAT old thing is fast enough to run ofice 97 without user complaints about speed.. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: SOT: Download tools (was Re: The Bat! Registration - Strange....)
Hello Allie Martin, On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 21:12:14 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Monday, January 17, 2000, 9:12:14 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Allie Martin wrote: Allie On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 08:57:39 +0700, tracer wrote: But, how often do you download files which are present or known to be present on more then one server. Allie Often enough to appreciate the feature very much. :) Well, I myself am less in a hury to get a specific file fast as to maximize through put so I run 5 files down to me at the same time, pushing my download to the limit, I donot mind if thats 5 downloads to different places or/and if one runs at 50b/sec and takes 3 days of being on the net to arive. If I would be in a hurry I would grab it via a USA cable/sat link, and pick it up from my ftp. From there guaranteed no speed limits or/and I just email it. I once emailed the whole 98 beta to my mailbox On the other hand when it comes to ftp's in my case its totally useless to look for alternate sites, there arent any. However, it is possible that reget supports something as I once by accident downloaded the same file twice but only one arived and no errors were given. Docs are about as good as theBats so who knows what it does. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Block selection types (was: Auto-indent)
Hello Nick Andriash, On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 23:04:48 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Monday, January 17, 2000, 2:04:48 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Nick Andriash wrote: Nick Not really Tom... we may be talking about different things here, not Nick sure? What I'm referring to is the preferences accessed through the main Nick toolbar: Nick Options/Editor Preferences/General Nick On the top right hand side, this is what _I_ see: NickBlocks Nick- Persistent blocks Nick- Overwrite blocks NickPasting different block types Nick- skip prompt Nick- adjust automatically Nick I'm not sure what all that means... haven't seen any documentation on Nick it. What you were referring to... I've never seen any mention of that Nick either? No idea what it does but similar tricks are possible in other editors so why not... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Block selection types (was: Auto-indent)
Hello Allie Martin, On Mon, 17 Jan 2000 02:54:34 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Monday, January 17, 2000, 2:54:34 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Allie Martin wrote: Allie On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 23:32:06 -0800, Nick Andriash wrote: Heh, oops. What I'm talking about is what you get when you right-click in a composition window, and hit "Block Type". Hey, I just tried that in a test reply... I like that. Thanks for bringing that to my attention... I've never seen anything like that before. I'm learning something new with TB... and especially the Editor, every single day. :o) Allie BTW, did you all notice as well that the block type selection may be Allie done by left-clicking in the status bar where the block type is displayed. Allie Each click toggles the block selection. :) I suppose its not in the help file?? (g) Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Error Messages
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On Mon, 17 Jan 2000 16:06:01 +0800 GMT your local time, which was Monday, January 17, 2000, 3:06:01 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Thomas Hi tracer, Thomas On Mon, 17 Jan 2000 10:33:28 +0700GMT (17/01/2000, 11:33 +0800GMT), Thomas tracer wrote: Lone-Wolf FETCH - Server reports error. The response is: - ERR[IN USE] Failed Lone-Wolf to lock or parse or multiple access. t I have seen this as well a few times but considered it a fluke. t On the other hand, besides the Bat having a problem, it could mean t what it says: someone else using your mailbox and in MY case that most t certainly was the case: my expartner had hacked into my mailbox. Thomas Yes; the way I understand it, only one pop access per time is allowed. Thomas So, if your mailbox is "in use", check whether any other of your email Thomas clients is automatically pop-checking. Suggest to change your Thomas password... ;-) offcourse... Thats why I checked all my accounts and found out I couldnt log into my usa.net account as password had been changed and routing of the mail as well switched to a mail.com account. But Thai isps are so badly setup one has more chances of finding a bug in their systems. I remember when the whole of Loxinfo was banned on irc undernet and I asked them to sort it out, the isp asked me whats irc Anyone getting locked out of a pop server as its in use should consider doing that unless the server malfunctions it means exactly what it says, you mailbox is in use, either by yourself with a second account or by an unauthised reader. Which also may mean a password change of the login could save money... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: common options (was: Re: Reply-To in mailing list)
Hello Steve Lamb, On Mon, 17 Jan 2000 00:22:21 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Monday, January 17, 2000, 3:22:21 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: Steve Friday, January 14, 2000, 6:39:05 PM, Jast wrote: A checkbox option that should be a macro... I think *all* message-specific options should be macros because this allows for better automation per template-file-inclusion - you won't have to go through a dozen folder checkbox options and instead just do an include... SteveGeh, rather have checkboxes so it is clear what is happening and what Steve isn't. I'd also rather have the sig separated from the template so you can Steve have a clear sig for each folder without using an include. Thinking about it, there should even be a utility to set common options for multiple folders/accounts anyway. It gets more strenuous to do it manually on every account the more you have. Steve Tell me about it. :/ I would like a macro to have in the signatures the various specific address items which can be overwritten per folder/account. Ie, phone, address, website etc etc which one can add for different usages. Now what the most easy and eficient way is to use them, no idea as with many folders and multiple accounts a changed form means one my have to check every (!) folder/account and every address book entry. There must be a better way to administrate this... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: Error Messages
Hello Oleg Zalyalov, On Mon, 17 Jan 2000 12:37:50 +0400 GMT your local time, which was Monday, January 17, 2000, 3:37:50 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Oleg Zalyalov wrote: Oleg Hello, the Bat! list recipients, Oleg Monday, January 17, 2000, Thomas Fernandez wrote to tracer about Oleg Error Messages: TF Yes; the way I understand it, only one pop access per time is allowed. TF So, if your mailbox is "in use", check whether any other of your email TF clients is automatically pop-checking. Suggest to change your TF password... ;-) Oleg It can be if you DUN session was aborted unexpectedly while connected Oleg to POP server. If so ask your POP provider about timeout set at POP Oleg server. Thats a good one, but I am afraid they would ask me what the timeout does.. Sofar from what I have seen the local isp's are so hacker friendly that in our case its almost certainly someone being on line with a logon he shouldnt use.. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Error Messages
Hello Marck D. Pearlstone, On Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:04:58 + GMT your local time, which was Monday, January 17, 2000, 4:04:58 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: Marck I often (these days) go to send a mail and the Sending dialog just Marck hangs. My SMTP server is here, on-site, so I can actually see what Marck happens. It gets two lines into the SMTP protocol and freezes. I can Marck cancel the session at either end, but the only way I have found to Marck make it work in subsequent attempts is to wait for the server to Marck time-out. The very next send session works perfectly, hence my theory Marck that the server is at fault. Possible as all my passwords were changed a few weeks ago and unlikely anyone locally except me would know what they are.. Lone-Wolf also a new one has popped up:- Lone-Wolf FETCH - Server reports error. The response is: - ERR[IN USE] Failed Lone-Wolf to lock or parse or multiple access. Marck Isn't another possibility that a previous connection got dumped Marck without a log-off from the POP server? Possible but if it happened here first thing I would do is change passwords and see if it still happens... Anything is possible with Thais running computers One good reason we are always busy (g). Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Block selection types (was: Auto-indent)
Hello Jast, On Mon, 17 Jan 2000 10:45:35 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Monday, January 17, 2000, 4:45:35 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Jast wrote: Jast Morning Tom Plunket, Ok, again I haven't tried any of these but I assume the Blocks selection is a radio button (exactly one of them always selected). Jast Correction: These are not radio buttons. However the Persistent Jast Blocks option disables the Overwrite Blocks options because of the Jast reasons below :-) Jast PersistentOverwriteBehaviour Jast BlocksBlocks Jast off off deselect block with cursor Jast movement, not with editing keys. Jast Delete Block with Ctrl-Del Jast on off Blocks won't be deselected by Jast non-block operations. Delete Block Jast with Ctrl-Del Jast off onany editing command will affect Jast block (standard Windows bahviour) Jast Hope that was clear ;-D Send it to whoever makes the next help file Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[4]: Error Messages
Hello Tom Plunket, On Mon, 17 Jan 2000 01:21:02 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Monday, January 17, 2000, 4:21:02 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Tom Plunket wrote: t Anyone getting locked out of a pop server as its in use should t consider doing that unless the server malfunctions it means t exactly what it says, you mailbox is in use, either by yourself with a t second account or by an unauthised reader. Which also may mean a t password change of the login could save money... Tom For a while I used ICQ to auto-poll my mailboxes every so often, and Tom if my email client tried to DL mail, I'd get this message. Just Tom another place to look for a potential "user" of your mail accounts... Agreed, but my icq doesnt poll the mailboxes, Besides in my case my account WAS hacked, passwords got later changed and if I had taken notice earlier that something odd was happening it would have saved me a lot of headache. My mail was rerouted to a different address but that was noticable very quickly as a stream of hundreds of emails per day just dried out.. What I DO mean is that in a case like this, you better change the passwords as a precaution. Its a potential reason so why not take care of it. Tom -tom! Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: ERROR ... please help ...
Hello Clemens 'Gullevek' Schwaighofer, On Mon, 17 Jan 2000 23:02:32 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, January 18, 2000, 5:02:32 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Clemens 'Gullevek' Schwaighofer wrote: Clemens Hello tracer, Clemens Sunday, January 16, 2000, 3:01:26 AM, tracer wrote: Clemens so this means, unless I activate the compress thing in the inbox Clemens folder, all mails stay there and are not moved to the other folders? Clemens or do they stay there, and are also copied into the other folders but Clemens not "really" deleted out of the inbox ? Its like removing unwanted books from the library by taking the index cards. There seem to be less but they are still there... Clemens but they must be very big, those indexes ... I mean there is a Clemens difference between 55MB and 314K ^^ My mistakeas my answer wasnt clear.., cards are gone but books still there. Like most filing systems, even normal hard disk. The data doesnt get deleted. Just the index. Its one of the ways they rolled up a drug smugglers operation years ago as they had their data/addresses in a Psion organiser. They managed to delete the data but that didnt mean it wasnt there... Its also the reason that when a filing system gets a problem the sooner fixed the better as one can reorder a few mislaid cards by checking where they belong but if you dump the box on the floor you got a life long job... well known example is the scandisk or equivalent wanting to check your disk after a bad shutdown. Let it do it. Just zap what it says is mixed up. Normally all is ok after that as all that gets zapped are incomplete files. if you donot and it gets reused in places where the OS thinks there is no data you get a real problem... Clemens Best regards, Clemens Clemens written with TheBat! 1.38e Clemens on Windows 98, 4 10 Clemens Build A Clemens on Monday, January 17, 2000 at 11:02:05 PM Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: suggestion- / wish-list
Hello Steve Lamb, On Mon, 17 Jan 2000 18:06:40 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, January 18, 2000, 9:06:40 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: Steve On Tue, Jan 18, 2000 at 01:05:19AM +, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: grumblemumble Might I humbly suggest you use TB as an e-mail client a while longer. The editor is one thing that suddenly leaps out as being very well suited to the job it does for the /type of information/ it works on. Steve *cough* Just think, an external editor would solve all this bickering Steve with no endless conditionals subverting the email client from the task it was Steve designed for. *cough* Steve What, did I say that out loud? no idea but maybe this helps: I asked Todd who is marketing Gator editor and several other products Quote: Okay... Although if you've set your MAPI mail program to regard text attachments as going into the body of the message, then Gator will work fine, it won't be an attachment but will be appended to the body. If you leave the body blank it will *be* the entire body. EOQ In short, if the Bat v2 is setup like this, you have a usable quite nice external editor... It can generate or attach to the bodies... It has good spell checking capabilities.. It was made to interact with cmpqwk and their own emailer so not really surprising it may work with other email programs if desired. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: SOT: Download tools (was Re: The Bat! Registration - Strange....)
Hello Marck D. Pearlstone, On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 15:24:57 + GMT your local time, which was Saturday, January 15, 2000, 10:24:57 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: Marck My fave is one called NetVampire (having used GoZilla and failed Marck miserably with GetRight). Reasons: NV works superbly through my proxy Marck and has a clean and easy interface. GR an GZ (and also Syafril's Marck favourite - "JetCar") failed miserably in that minor feat. Add to that Marck NV's free-ware and that makes it a real winner for me. As I mentioned in another mail going out, getright caused me memory leaks, Gozilla never convinced me it was really useful. In my case costs of internet are high enough that $20 or so for a program I can earn back in a month or less so I will happily pay for one I like and which works. I tried many.. Other interesting thing one can use is Mr Cool, problem though is that in the cases I WANT to use it, servers complain and the bat doesnt combine the pieces of program emailed to me.. Eudora would.. Marck Cheers, Marck Marck Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: The Bat! Registration - Strange....
Hello Allie Martin, On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 07:57:02 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Saturday, January 15, 2000, 7:57:02 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Allie Martin wrote: Allie On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 14:36:23 +0700, tracer wrote: Allie [..snip..] I can also recommend Reget ( I think its far superior to getright if you download many files) and there is the free Firetalk, amazingly good quality talking between 2 pc's... Allie I like you, have a problem with connection speed. It's at a premium. I Allie therefore use a download manager and mine is Getright. I find it to do Allie things just great. What's the deal with Reget why you think it's superior Allie to Getright? Well, its difficult to explain. but lets say if I want a version of getright which works like a paid for version, it would take me 10 minutes to locate one and get it. Including a working key. I likely even have it somewhere... I could get a real key. I probably have one somewhere as well. But whats the use as I donot like the thing. Now thats a vague thing, I know. But I find that REGET seems to get things Getright cannot get. Especially on some websites which donot want you to link via other sites. I find the controls of Reget easy. I never ONCE (ok once...) had a problem. Problem I had was that I didnt see that to store pauses on files till the next logon were in the settings... I have tried Getright on and off since at least 2 years, It never saved me enough time/money AND headaches to stimulate me to buy it. On the other hand it caused me memory leaks Reget though managed to convince me in about a month it was worth having so I downloaded the latest, paid for it, dumped the fake serial and am happy. It works as I want so what can I complain about.. if its really better, who knows, its like many programs a matter of the feeling of the thing, taste and if you are happy with it. Like with AVP (the antivirus program) which I like BUT it doesnt like my system... So I use Dr Web and it does the job extreemly well. Anyway, I would suggest you drop me a note offline what you want to do as I likely have seen any program there is for usage in circumstances where you get fleeced by a government etc. I am (g). I likely used most of them to see if they would help. Same with ftp programs. I have used many but what I use now to maximize throughput is wincommander. It allows ftp bounce (oops xftp), multiple downloads but keeping track of what goes what way is complicated. I use Bulletftp (even paid for the thing after using it for at least a year) for my normal downloads/uploads. Another thing saving me loads of time is Teleport. If a site has many pages of interest, I just take the whole site However they STILL havent brought out their ftp update which should have apeared more then 2 years ago... On the other hand I can ue my shell in the USA to grab the whole thing using Linux.. Meaning Exceed is running on my PC... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: The Bat! Registration - Strange....
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 20:15:22 +0800 GMT your local time, which was Saturday, January 15, 2000, 7:15:22 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Thomas Hallo Oleg, Thomas On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 15:43:40 +0400 GMT (15.01.2000, 19:43 +0800 GMT), Thomas Oleg Zalyalov wrote: OZ There is not need to steal registration for that. Thomas You are right. I should have put that paragraph in irony ON and Thomas irony OFF delimters. ;-) Oleg, give me a few minutes on a fast enough machine, and the bat is your last worry, I could have your whole drive cloned... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Bug or Feature?
Hello Nick Andriash, On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 23:07:17 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 16, 2000, 2:07:17 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Nick Andriash wrote: Nick Saturday, January 15, 2000, 1:17:33 PM, Allie Martin wrote: Use replied filters and run them manually each time you wish to archive the contents of the folder. I receive and read TBUDL and TBBETA messages from a single folder. When the folder gets a bit uncomfortable to manage, ie, message number above 100, I just run the manual filter operation which moves the read mail to their respective folders. It's a lot easier than all those keystrokes you outlined up there (without even including navigating the destination folder popup menu for each operation). Nick Bingo!! That's exactly what I do as well Allie, only I have two separate Nick folders for TBUDL and TBBETA unread mail. I may combine the two, as the Nick traffic on TBBETA doesn't seem to be that heavy. Nick You are right though... it's a lot easier than all those keystrokes. What it needs is a BUTTON with settings Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: ERROR ... please help ...
Hello Clemens 'Gullevek' Schwaighofer, On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 11:37:06 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 16, 2000, 5:37:06 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Clemens 'Gullevek' Schwaighofer wrote: Clemens Hello Marck, Clemens Saturday, January 15, 2000, 8:10:01 PM, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: CGS do they stay there, and are also copied into the other folders CGS but not "really" deleted out of the inbox ? Exactly that. They stay there, marked as deleted and are never seen again. The solution is to activate the "Compress folder on exit" setting of the Folder options. Clemens Actually I would have to activate this in every Folder I do have some Clemens filters in ... NO, you should do it in every folder AND the bat should tell you when it reaches a certain % thats its wise to do so Clemens Best regards, Clemens Clemens written with TheBat! 1.38e Clemens on Windows 98, 4 10 Clemens Build A Clemens on Sunday, January 16, 2000 at 11:36:41 AM Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: suggestion- / wish-list
Hello Nick Andriash, On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 23:20:02 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 16, 2000, 2:20:02 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Nick Andriash wrote: Nick On Saturday, January 15, 2000, 7:57:02 AM, Allie Martin wrote: Just out of curiosity, I had a look around and cannot seem to find an editor that will work as well as TB!'s with respect to formatting and reflowing *quoted* text. Boxer 99 comes very close and of course is superior at formatting unquoted material but it's $60 a license. Better to Nick I'm still unclear though on the issue of using an external editor. Is TB Nick capable of calling up one... providing a hook, but if not, then exactly Nick how _do_ you use an external editor with TB? Nick I agree with Allie though... I think for the purposes of editing E-Mail, Nick you'd be hard pressed to find a better editor than the one we have, and Nick the price is right. :o) You may laugh but I never started to look around what COULD be run unmtil we had the request for the external editor. Ok it should be an option but personally I donot mind Nick Nick Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: SOT: Download tools (was Re: The Bat! Registration - Strange....)
Hello Allie Martin, On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 11:19:56 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Saturday, January 15, 2000, 11:19:56 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Allie Martin wrote: My fave is one called NetVampire (having used GoZilla and failed miserably with GetRight). Reasons: NV works superbly through my proxy and has a clean and easy interface. GR an GZ (and also Syafril's favourite - "JetCar") failed miserably in that minor feat. Add to that NV's free-ware and that makes it a real winner for me. Allie Getright has this new feature where it will download large files by Allie downloading in a user-defined number of parts from a user-defined number Allie of servers ... at the same time! It finds the servers and does all the Allie downloading automagically and it is indeed faster this way. Goodie, Allie goodie!! But, how often do you download files which are present or known to be present on more then one server. Reget has multithreading so 5 files or whatever can be downloading at the same time, and while this may not increase the speed of ONE file ending up on your system, as you are paying for time on the net, I want throughput to be as close to my maximum as I can. So I tend to dump things I want , web AND ftp just on the list of things to get and it will just go and do it while I do other things. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: SOT clean temp
Hello Mark Aston, On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 22:18:54 + GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 16, 2000, 5:18:54 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Mark Aston wrote: Mark Hi Roel, Mark Saturday, January 15, 2000, 10:07:46 PM, you wrote: R yep, i sent in a bug report about it about a year ago... R well, if it isn't fixed in v2, we can always write a 'clean-up'-plugin R :-) Mark TB! is certainly not the only program guilty of this, LookOut leaves Mark loads of stuff in temp, including every attachment that is opened, Mark even those which were encrypted, so TB! is not so bad after all:-) Bad? Look what frontpage leaves behind Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Warning! Check Your Temp Directories!
Hello Christopher J. Trybowski, On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 01:13:29 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 16, 2000, 7:13:29 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Christopher J. Trybowski wrote: Christopher How this only confirms that if one has a good-configured system, he Christopher can omit many problems :-). agreed (g) I do exactly the same with my system since my 486 period. I remember running 3.11 for at least 4 months with just 50 mb free on the drive and it kept it nicely under control till I got my bigger drive. Different utility though as you are unlikely to have the one I wrote myself... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Send IP Adress via Macro in Mail or with external Program
Hello Lionel Elie Mamane, On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 21:49:12 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 16, 2000, 3:49:12 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: Lionel Hello Hans, Lionel Saturday, January 15, 2000, 8:00:06 PM, you wrote: HWH Does anybody habe experience with a good, free, secure, little HWH Remote Program for using Win95 over IP-Internet. Lionel VNC, from att labs: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/ recommended but its a potential security loophole. Lionel Didn't try it personally, though. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: ERROR ... please help ...
Hello Clemens 'Gullevek' Schwaighofer, On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 17:47:08 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Saturday, January 15, 2000, 11:47:08 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Clemens 'Gullevek' Schwaighofer wrote: Clemens so this means, unless I activate the compress thing in the inbox Clemens folder, all mails stay there and are not moved to the other folders? Clemens or do they stay there, and are also copied into the other folders but Clemens not "really" deleted out of the inbox ? Its like removing unwanted books from the library by taking the index cards. There seem to be less but they are still there... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: SOT clean temp
Hello Mark Aston, On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 15:43:36 + GMT your local time, which was Saturday, January 15, 2000, 10:43:36 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Mark Aston wrote: Mark Hi tracer, Mark Just a quick question about your autoexec.bat entry to clean Mark C:\Windows\Temp, I maybe completely wrong here but I understood that Mark some installation programs dump files in temp which are then used Mark after/during a W98 reboot? If so then your entry could cause a problem Mark by deleting these during boot up. Well, as I mentioned in a message to Steve one time my sequence as working now isnt what I normally used. I tended to boot to DOS, run a utility of my own allowing me to do things IN DOS, first boot of the day, week , month, year etc. I then used zap (a program) to clean dirs and drives. However after my last clean install I havent yet put it back in. What it meant was that it would only run once. On the other hand most programs may put temp stuff there but rarely they are needed after reboot. You can always make a clean.bat stick the statements in there and execute call clean.bat and if installing software, rem it out first. You could also run theee batfile in the startup folder, it doesnt matter anyway in most cases. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: common options (was: Re: Reply-To in mailing list)
Hello Allie Martin, On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 10:59:25 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Saturday, January 15, 2000, 10:59:25 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Allie Martin wrote: Allie On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 09:50:22 +, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: Allie [..snip..] Thinking about this more, there are ways of using multiple accounts to get round that, but then we're back to Jast's point that there is a hole in making cross-account changes to preferences. Allie Using multiple accounts to get around global preferences not Allie configurable on a per-folder basis. Never thought of that but very Allie interesting indeed. :) I am using it, just make sure not to download mail with it (g) Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Error Messages
Hello Lone-Wolf, On Mon, 17 Jan 2000 04:47:42 +1100 GMT your local time, which was Monday, January 17, 2000, 12:47:42 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Lone-Wolf wrote: Lone-Wolf Hello Lone-Wolf Get 2 error messages:- Lone-Wolf SEND- Server reports error. The response is :Bad sequence of commands Lone-Wolf (quite frequently - mail cannot be sent but finally gets away after a Lone-Wolf few tries) Lone-Wolf also a new one has popped up:- Lone-Wolf FETCH - Server reports error. The response is: - ERR[IN USE] Failed Lone-Wolf to lock or parse or multiple access. I have seen this as well a few times but considered it a fluke. On the other hand, besides the Bat having a problem, it could mean what it says: someone else using your mailbox and in MY case that most certainly was the case: my expartner had hacked into mailbox. Lone-Wolf I am receiving from two mail servers (isp) on Bat. Lone-Wolf Any advice? Can't find any error messages in the "Help" file. Lone-Wolf Regards, Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Unable to read untitled.msg attachments (? from Novell Grpwise)
Hello Allie Martin, On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 18:34:40 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Monday, January 17, 2000, 6:34:40 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Allie Martin wrote: Allie On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 12:17:18 -0800, Tom Plunket wrote: (snip) Allie I remember a problem like that which I had in my OS/2 days. I used to Allie run a shell enhancement app called X-it and PMMail was my e-mail client. Allie Whenever I had X-it running and opened PMMail, PMMail's interface would go Allie berserk. The interesting thing was that this did not occur with earlier Allie versions of PMMail. Well IMHO at the time, the logical move was to write Allie to the PMMail developers who told me that they knew about it and the Allie problem was with X-it and that I should ask the X-it developers about it. Allie I wrote to the X-it developers only to be told that the problem was Allie with PMMail. Needless to say, at this point I was pissed. I ended up being Allie the mediator of a technical exchange on whose fault it was (did I really Allie care at the time? .. NO!). The X-it developers ended up being the Allie one's to fix things. I'll never know if they simply were practicing what Allie you preach Tom, but as the software user, I didn't really care; I was only Allie happy. :-/ .This attitude of different suppliers has always existed from the very first computers. One of the reasons when building mainframes we got as much as possible all the parts from the same place to avoid this shuffle why something doesnt work. However in this case it seems to me that Novel should be told they have a bug or a secret feature. On the other hand, arent programs reading 'field data' which can have bugs/mistakes supposed to ignore obvious mistakes in email formats or compensate for it. Most of my own programs did as otherwise everytime they hit a problem I had to go and fix it manually... It shouldnt be that much work to let the bat ignore this error and then one can advertise the bat as working with Novell... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
(No Subject)
Hello Keith Russell, I ran today that doskick and the dates are wrongly reset... I havent yet looked closely whats happening but something isnt working the way it should. How silly it may sound, I think it or better the compiler must have been hit by the Y2K bug... I have to check later if there is any system in the results I see but if its the compiler, not much I can do except retire the program! Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 LOCAL phone: 271194 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[4]: [spam score 3.48/10.0 -pobox] Re[2]: FETCH - Could Not Create Output File - Update
Hello Szendrõ István, On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:16:16 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 14, 2000, 5:16:16 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Szendrõ István wrote: Szendrõ Hello tracer, Szendrõ Thursday, January 13, 2000, 1:33:43 AM, you wrote: Maybe even a temp directory being corrupted/filled up. t C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\fix_pnp.exe t C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\deltree /y c:\windows\temp\*.* nul t C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\deltree /y c:\temp\*.* nul Szendrõ [snip] Szendrõ What is the "fix_pnp.exe" bit ? mistake of mine. I cut and pasted from my current autoexec.bat. I have an old but good HP Scanjet iicx which with original drivers is extreemly unstable under 98 (uses the special HP scan card). Owner dumped the thing so I spend some time locating what was wanted under 98... I 'found' somewhere in Russia some stuff so it will now happily run the latest HP software for scanning, on my old card without loading any odd drivers which upset 98. In short, it only does something for that scanner card... Szendrõ (I am a keen housekeeper myself.) Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Wish list item?: find original message
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 19:33:41 +0800 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 14, 2000, 6:33:41 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Thomas Hi John, Thomas On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 02:36:34 +GMT (14/01/2000, 10:36 +0800GMT), Thomas John Sullivan wrote: JS The "above stipulations" were purely an example. In fact the message I JS was sat in front of at the time was in my Read Messages folder, and I JS knew it was in response to a message in my Sent folder, which was not JS to a list. Any other combination is possible. Thomas Somebody was surprised when I said I keep all the message to and from Thomas a certain person in a person-specific folder, instead of keeping Thomas received, replied and sent messages seperately. Now you know why. ;-) I do same but only from/to people where a lot of mail goes between us. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[4]: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages
Hello Alex Sanyukovitch, On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:12:14 +0200 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 14, 2000, 5:12:14 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Alex Sanyukovitch wrote: Alex Hello Oleg, OZ I just use empty string, presence NO. It's working. makes sense, not nothing can be anything (g) Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[7]: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages
Hello Oleg Zalyalov, On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:26:19 +0400 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 14, 2000, 7:26:19 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Oleg Zalyalov wrote: Oleg Hello, the Bat! list recipients, Oleg Friday, January 14, 2000, Alex Sanyukovitch wrote to Oleg Zalyalov about Oleg How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages: OZ Maybe it's a bug, but I don't think that it should be corrected OZ until we have a legal way to filter all messages. AS I can't understand this logic... How did you found it? Oleg Tried empty string and presence 'yes' and found out that it doesn't Oleg work as desired -- no message triggered that filter. Than just changed Oleg presence to 'no'. Voila. On the other hand you can filter any mail with an @ in the header. You may loose some spam (as its one of my spam checks) but who minds... I tend to zap mail which hasnt got @ in sender and receiver. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Wish list item?: find original message
Hello Marck D. Pearlstone, On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:08:34 + GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 14, 2000, 9:08:34 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: Marck Absolutely. With 48000 messages in my base I have to organize tightly. Marck Project/person/list specific folders with all received/sent messages Marck automatically filtered into place ensures that complete conversation Marck threads are *exactly* where I need to see them without having to go Marck searching for this/that/the other reply. Marck, do you have all those messages in the Bat in their active folders or are part of them archived. I just wonder how long it takes to open the BAT. With an amount of mail like this you need some partial archiving method so how do you handle that? Marck Cheers, Marck Marck Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: ERROR ... please help ...
Hello Steve Lamb, On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 08:26:51 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 14, 2000, 11:26:51 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: Steve Friday, January 14, 2000, 8:17:33 AM, Clemens wrote: nono, cause the whole mail size of this directory was TO big. And I don't think you can comrpess 55MB to 340K ^^ and 54 mails each about 2-20K can never need 55MB!! Steve Was it the inbox? You are aware that any message you ever got and Steve filtered elsewhere is in the inbox until you compress it? "Compress" here Steve means removing the entries marked "Deleted" from the database. All mail is Steve filed in the inbox *before* it is filtered. It is then filtered and, if Steve needed, marked as deleted. Correct.... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: FETCH - Could Not Create Output File
Hello Syafril Hermansyah, On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 05:49:28 +0700 GMT your local time, which was Saturday, January 15, 2000, 5:49:28 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Syafril Hermansyah wrote: Syafril Hello Keith Russell, Syafril On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 at 20:25:25 GMT -0700 [Saturday, January 08, 2000 Syafril 10:25 GMT +0700], you told to the list: Syafril [...] KR You asked in a later message what I am doing while my mail is KR downloading. Absolutely nothing...Tonight, after the first couple KR of error messages, I closed all other applications before trying KR again, and still got the error. Syafril I am back from long vacation, and I found more than 6000 messages in Syafril my (dutaint.co.id) account. Download using Personal Dial from my Syafril Server broke every 50 messages, it's really annoying!. Syafril I curious TB! is the culprit, because next download fail every 30 Syafril messages, then 20 messages ..., sound like virtual memory or memory Syafril leak problem, even I still have 150 MB free space. Syafril So I search all *.tmp file, delete it all (I have around 10,000), Syafril after that re-download again...voila...everything fine! KR This is happening every night now when I get home and download my KR email. It's getting old fast. Time to send a bug report, I KR guess Syafril Check out *.tmp file on your Harddisk, delete it, try again. Syafril HTH But, they shouldnt be created. I remember seening those things ages ago, all going to my c:\temp directory which I also use as temp for unarchiving things so it was spotted as soon as it happened from way back. As however I autoclean that directory and all *.tmp files daily, I would never hit a problem with it. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: ERROR ... please help ...
Hello Clemens 'Gullevek' Schwaighofer, On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:17:33 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 14, 2000, 11:17:33 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Clemens 'Gullevek' Schwaighofer wrote: Clemens Hello tracer, Clemens Thursday, January 13, 2000, 5:33:36 PM, tracer wrote: Clemens well the second thing is ... I was puzzled WHY it was SO big ... I Clemens only have 54 files in it and neither of them is bigger then 10K ... so Clemens I created a temporary dir, moved them there and moved them back and Clemens voila suddenly it was onyl 340K bit ... my whole mail stuff from is Clemens 150 MB ... but this includes about 14000 mails ... maybe the box was never compressed, and then it will likely take up more space then it should 'saved' but also when used... And that might have broken some limit with a hang etc etc. Clemens nono, cause the whole mail size of this directory was TO big. And I Clemens don't think you can comrpess 55MB to 340K ^^ and 54 mails each about Clemens 2-20K can never need 55MB!! I mean you may still have empty space from deleted emails in that box. Not compressing the mail but getting rid also of all the empty space. Clemens but since today I started to make a daily backup ... you never know, Clemens when you might need it ... I can tell you when you need it, thats a certainty... Guranteed when you damage the original(g) Clemens well right now, everything works fine ... Clemens Best regards, Clemens Clemens written with TheBat! 1.38e Clemens on Windows 98, 4 10 Clemens Build A Clemens on Friday, January 14, 2000 at 5:15:57 PM Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
