Re: More newbie Questions

2000-07-18 Thread Peter Steiner

On Sat, 15 Jul 2000 18:12:07 +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

K Ummm...just once thing.  What do you do to restore being shown all the
K messages?

C Simply hit the Esc key. :-)

 Also  the  Ctrl+=  key has the same function. This is crucial when you
 apply  a  filter to a folder view since Esc closes the folder window
 before it removes the filter :-).

Once again a problem with international keyboards (mine is Swiss
german), where the '=' key is not on its 'usual' place (it's Shift-0,
but Shift-Ctrl-0 doesn't work). I tried the key where '=' sits on
english keyboards (two keys right of 0, is that correct?) and
Ctrl-thiskey is 'next-unread' (Ctrl-] or Ctrl-[ on english keyboards)
... :-(

Does anybody know what to press on swiss or german keyboards? And can
somebody explain the algorithm that TB! (Delphi?) uses to
map key combinations to commands?

Peter
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Re[2]: More newbie Questions

2000-07-17 Thread Oleg Zalyalov

Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Saturday, July 15, 2000, Ming-Li wrote to Katsmeow about
More newbie Questions:

ML on the status icon of any unread mail (the yellow envelope icon),
My  mathematician  soul  can't stand this. There should be 'for normal
priority messages' added inside parenthesis.

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Re[2]: More newbie Questions

2000-07-16 Thread Stefan Tanurkov

Hi Marck, 

S At now, TB insist that you move a message in the course of filtering.
S If you want it to remain, the "source" and "destination" folders must
S be the same.

MDP And,  to  elaborate further, "destination" *must* be specified. So, an
MDP ad-hoc  manual  filter tied to a hot-key to simply colour a message is
MDP not an option because the message has to move *somewhere* as specified
MDP in the filter's "Move messages to folder" setting.`

As a matter of fact, if the source and destination folders are the
same, a message won't be moved if you apply a filter using hot-key.
Not so obvious as it should (we will try to make it better), but it
works :-)

The exception is when the filter conditions should apply - then the
message should be moved to the destination folder...


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Re: More newbie Questions

2000-07-15 Thread Nick Andriash

On Friday, July 14, 2000, 12:14:06 PM, Ming-Li wrote:

 I would like to be able to get away from these dual folders and just
 have one folder for each list but to be able to look only at unread
 mail.

ML If you read only new mail to the degree that you want to set
ML "show unread messages only" as default (which, regrettably, can't be
ML done at the moment), then threading is of little use anyway.

View/Display/Only Unread Messages? Does that not accomplish what the
original poster wanted?




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Re: More newbie Questions

2000-07-15 Thread Ming-Li

Hi Nick,

 I would like to be able to get away from these dual folders and
 just have one folder for each list but to be able to look only at
 unread mail.

ML If you read only new mail to the degree that you want to set
ML "show unread messages only" as default (which, regrettably, can't be
ML done at the moment), then threading is of little use anyway.

 View/Display/Only Unread Messages? Does that not accomplish what the
 original poster wanted?

I'm afraid not. Katsmeow want it to be the default whenever TB is
launched. So far TB doesn't remember the Display status between
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Re[2]: More newbie Questions

2000-07-15 Thread Katsmeow

Hi Nick,

Friday, July 14, 2000, 2:16:54 PM, you wrote:

 View/Display/Only Unread Messages? Does that not accomplish what the
 original poster wanted?

Yes...but you won't hold that setting after you close the program.  I
would ideally like it to hold this setting from one session to the
next.  As it is, if I want this I have to go in and set it each time I
open the program (and I do this at least twice a day as I use a
notebook computer that I use at both work and home).

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Re: More newbie Questions

2000-07-15 Thread Ming-Li

Hi Katsmeow,

 Yes...but you won't hold that setting after you close the program.
 I would ideally like it to hold this setting from one session to
 the next.  As it is, if I want this I have to go in and set it
 each time I open the program (and I do this at least twice a day
 as I use a notebook computer that I use at both work and home).

Just in case you don't know, you may hold down the Alt key and click
on the status icon of any unread mail (the yellow envelope icon),
which is the equivalent of View/Display/Only Unread Mail, but a tad
simpler. The same technique applies to other part of the message
list. E.g., click on a person's name in the "From" column while
holding down the Alt key and TB would show only messages from the
same sender.

I know this doesn't fill your need about keeping the same view
between sessions, just hope it would make your life a bit easier.

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Re[2]: More newbie Questions

2000-07-15 Thread Katsmeow

Hi Ming-Li,

Saturday, July 15, 2000, 9:26:01 AM, you wrote:

 Just in case you don't know, you may hold down the Alt key and click
 on the status icon of any unread mail (the yellow envelope icon),
 which is the equivalent of View/Display/Only Unread Mail, but a tad
 simpler. The same technique applies to other part of the message
 list. E.g., click on a person's name in the "From" column while
 holding down the Alt key and TB would show only messages from the
 same sender.


I did *not* know this and I do like this feature.  Thanks.

Ummm...just once thing.  What do you do to restore being shown all the
messages?


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Re: More newbie Questions

2000-07-15 Thread Curtis

On Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:21:22 -0500, Katsmeow wrote:

K I did *not* know this and I do like this feature.  Thanks.

K Ummm...just once thing.  What do you do to restore being shown all the
K messages?

Simply hit the Esc key. :-)

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Re[3]: More newbie Questions

2000-07-15 Thread SyP

Hello The Bat! users,

Katsmeow wrote on 7/15/2000, 6:21 PM

K Ummm...just once thing.  What do you do to restore being shown all the
K messages?


Hit ESC.

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Re: More newbie Questions

2000-07-15 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone

Hi Curtis,

On 15 July 2000 at 11:30:00 GMT -0500 (which was 17:30 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "More newbie Questions":

K I did *not* know this and I do like this feature.  Thanks.

K Ummm...just once thing.  What do you do to restore being shown all the
K messages?

C Simply hit the Esc key. :-)

Also  the  Ctrl+=  key has the same function. This is crucial when you
apply  a  filter to a folder view since Esc closes the folder window
before it removes the filter :-).

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Re: More newbie Questions

2000-07-15 Thread Paula Ford

On Friday, July 14, 2000, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

MDP ... and the versatility of the filters. The last is only marred by
MDP the insistence that filtered messages have to /move/ somewhere
MDP (shudder).

Is this in connection with the "virtual folder"?  It's not necessary
ordinarily to move a message in order to filter it.

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Re[2]: More newbie Questions

2000-07-15 Thread SyP

Hello Paula,

You wrote on 7/15/2000, 7:17 PM

PF It's not necessary ordinarily to move a message in order to filter
PF it.

At now, TB insist that you move a message in the course of filtering.
If you want it to remain, the "source" and "destination" folders must
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Re: More newbie Questions

2000-07-15 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone

Hi SyP,

On 15 July 2000 at 20:53:55 GMT +0200 (which was 19:53 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "More newbie Questions":

PF It's not necessary ordinarily to move a message in order to filter
PF it.

S At now, TB insist that you move a message in the course of filtering.
S If you want it to remain, the "source" and "destination" folders must
S be the same.

And,  to  elaborate further, "destination" *must* be specified. So, an
ad-hoc  manual  filter tied to a hot-key to simply colour a message is
not an option because the message has to move *somewhere* as specified
in the filter's "Move messages to folder" setting.`

So ... sorry, but au contrere, Paula :-).

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Re: More newbie Questions

2000-07-15 Thread John Sullivan

On Saturday 15 July 2000 SyP wrote:
 Katsmeow wrote on 7/15/2000, 6:21 PM
K Ummm...just once thing.  What do you do to restore being shown all the
K messages?
 Hit ESC.

...unless your in the Search window, in which case you almost
certainly want to be hitting Ctrl+= instead.

(This still gets me occasionally. With a messagebase of about 40,000
messages, it's *really* annoying to wait 5 minutes or so for a search,
drill down, hit ESC to get back but instead see those 5 minutes go
down the drain.)

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Re: More newbie Questions

2000-07-14 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone

Hi Katsmeow,

On 13 July 2000 at 14:48:38 GMT -0500 (which was 20:48 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "More newbie Questions":

K Thought of two more.

K 1.  Quick Templates look great to me and I want to use them.  However,
K when I start to type in one, it is all one line and the line does not
K wrap.  Also when I insert it in my message it does not wrap.  It does
K wrap for the recipient but that doesn't help me.  I need to be able to
K have it wrap on the screen for me as I need to customize the exact
K language so need to be able to see it.  For example, in Eudora I have
K stationary where I have set up a form letter to send to people who buy
K books.  I fill in manually the amount.  I am having problem setting up
K a quick template as it is hard to do this when it won't wrap during
K creation or when I insert it.  I am sure I am doing something
K wrong...but what?

It  will  wrap  automatically  during  if  you  have  auto-format  and
auto-wrap  both  enabled  for  the  editor.  Otherwise  you can insert
returns into the quick template at will. Also you can prepare the text
in  a  dummy  message,  cut it and finally paste it into the new Quick
template.

Following  use of an unformatted Quick Template in a message, a simple
Alt-L (or Alt-J) keystroke will reflow the text.

K 2. If I want only unread messages displayed, do I have to manually
K set that each time the program opens by going to View and then
K Display or can I set a default for only unread messages to show?

This  is  a  new Universe. The Bat has the ticker. The ticker contains
all  unread  messages  (from  all  folders  that  may  be  selected to
contribute their new mail content to the ticker - see folder options).
When  you  open  new  mail  from  the ticker, you are presented with a
single  "virtual"  folder  containing *only* the new mail. There is an
interesting keyword in here regarding "from all folders" ISFA messages
can be pre-filtered and still gathered to one place for mass-viewing.

I  find this facility far more versatile than any other scheme by far.
Of course, that's just my opinion and others may well disagree.

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Re: More newbie Questions

2000-07-14 Thread Curtis

On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:49:43 +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

MDP This  is  a  new Universe. The Bat has the ticker. The ticker contains
MDP all  unread  messages  (from  all  folders  that  may  be  selected to
MDP contribute their new mail content to the ticker - see folder options).
MDP When  you  open  new  mail  from  the ticker, you are presented with a
MDP single  "virtual"  folder  containing *only* the new mail. There is an
MDP interesting keyword in here regarding "from all folders" ISFA messages
MDP can be pre-filtered and still gathered to one place for mass-viewing.

Mass viewing without colour codes. yuk I'm wondering when that
will be fixed. :-/

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Re: More newbie Questions

2000-07-14 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone

Hi Curtis,

On 14 July 2000 at 06:52:53 GMT -0500 (which was 12:52 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "More newbie Questions":

MDP ...  The ticker contains all unread messages ... messages can be
MDP pre-filtered and still gathered to one place for mass-viewing.

C Mass viewing without colour codes. yuk I'm wondering when
C that will be fixed. :-/

Me too. I complained about that practically on the day colour grouping
was introduced IIRC. It's a major shortcoming of what, IMHO, is one of
the   greatest   plus   points  of  TB.  Other  major  pluses  include
QuickTemplates,  the  power  of template macros and the versatility of
the  filters.  The last is only marred by the insistence that filtered
messages have to /move/ somewhere (shudder).

Still,  last  minor bug I reported Stefan wrote me that he was hard at
work  on  V2  -  he'd  fix  the bug if I didn't mind it delaying V2. I
replied "don't let me distract you" :-).

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Re[2]: More newbie Questions

2000-07-14 Thread Katsmeow

Hi Marck,

Thursday, July 13, 2000, 3:49:43 PM, you wrote:

K 2. If I want only unread messages displayed, do I have to manually
K set that each time the program opens by going to View and then
K Display or can I set a default for only unread messages to show?

MDP This  is  a  new Universe. The Bat has the ticker. The ticker contains
MDP all  unread  messages  (from  all  folders  that  may  be  selected to
MDP contribute their new mail content to the ticker - see folder options).
MDP When  you  open  new  mail  from  the ticker, you are presented with a
MDP single  "virtual"  folder  containing *only* the new mail.

I do think the Ticker is a cool feature.  However, that said, I still
would like to able to set The Bat! when looking at folders to only
show unread messages (or whatever).  Right now, I filter incoming
messages to a separate inbox for each mailing list I am on.  Then if I
want to save mail from the list I put that in a separate folder.  I
would like to be able to get away from these dual folders and just
have one folder for each list but to be able to look only at unread
mail.  I like the ticker but I get several hundred new messages a day
and many of them I do not want to read and wish to delete unread.  It
is easier to do this through the individual folder.

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Re: More newbie Questions

2000-07-14 Thread Ming-Li

Hi Katsmeow,

 However, that said, I still would like to able to set The Bat!
 when looking at folders to only show unread messages (or
 whatever).  Right now, I filter incoming messages to a separate
 inbox for each mailing list I am on.  Then if I want to save mail
 from the list I put that in a separate folder.  I would like to be
 able to get away from these dual folders and just have one folder
 for each list but to be able to look only at unread mail.  I like
 the ticker but I get several hundred new messages a day and many
 of them I do not want to read and wish to delete unread.  It is
 easier to do this through the individual folder.

I might not understand you correctly, and this is not exactly what
you want, but turning off threading plus sorting by received time
would gather all new mail together. TB doesn't remember View/Display
setting from session to session, but it does remember the threading
setup. If you read only new mail to the degree that you want to set
"show unread messages only" as default (which, regrettably, can't be
done at the moment), then threading is of little use anyway.

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Re: More newbie Questions

2000-07-14 Thread Curtis

On Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:57:38 -0500, Katsmeow wrote:

K I do think the Ticker is a cool feature.  However, that said, I still
K would like to able to set The Bat! when looking at folders to only
K show unread messages (or whatever).  Right now, I filter incoming
K messages to a separate inbox for each mailing list I am on.  Then if
K I want to save mail from the list I put that in a separate folder.  I
K would like to be able to get away from these dual folders and just
K have one folder for each list but to be able to look only at unread
K mail.  I like the ticker but I get several hundred new messages a day
K and many of them I do not want to read and wish to delete unread.  It
K is easier to do this through the individual folder.

I use a common folder for TBBETA and TBUDL. I colour code the
messages from each list so that I can tell which is from where by
colour. I use manual read filters to keep the folder message count down
so that only two days worth of messages are present at a time. If you
wish for only read messages to be present then use automatic read
filters. The messages will be moved as soon as you read them.

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More newbie Questions

2000-07-13 Thread Katsmeow

Thought of two more.

1.  Quick Templates look great to me and I want to use them.  However,
when I start to type in one, it is all one line and the line does not
wrap.  Also when I insert it in my message it does not wrap.  It does
wrap for the recipient but that doesn't help me.  I need to be able to
have it wrap on the screen for me as I need to customize the exact
language so need to be able to see it.  For example, in Eudora I have
stationary where I have set up a form letter to send to people who buy
books.  I fill in manually the amount.  I am having problem setting up
a quick template as it is hard to do this when it won't wrap during
creation or when I insert it.  I am sure I am doing something
wrong...but what?

2.  If I want only unread messages displayed, do I have to manually
set that each time the program opens by going to View and then Display
or can I set a default for only unread messages to show?

  

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Re: More newbie Questions

2000-07-13 Thread Steve Lamb

Thursday, July 13, 2000, 12:48:38 PM, Katsmeow wrote:
 creation or when I insert it.  I am sure I am doing something
 wrong...but what?

Not hitting return?

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Re: More newbie Questions

2000-07-13 Thread Januk Aggarwal

Hello Katsmeow,


On  Thursday, July 13, 2000  at  14:48:38 GMT -0500 (which was 12:48 PM
where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:


 Thought of two more.

 1.  Quick Templates look great to me and I want to use them.  However,
 when I start to type in one, it is all one line and the line does not
 wrap.  Also when I insert it in my message it does not wrap.  It does
 wrap for the recipient but that doesn't help me.  I need to be able to
 have it wrap on the screen for me as I need to customize the exact
 language so need to be able to see it.  For example, in Eudora I have
 stationary where I have set up a form letter to send to people who buy
 books.  I fill in manually the amount.  I am having problem setting up
 a quick template as it is hard to do this when it won't wrap during
 creation or when I insert it.  I am sure I am doing something
 wrong...but what?

 That's because you don't want auto line wrapping when you're using a
long string of macros or regular expressions.  One way to work around
this is to open a new message, type what you want in your template and
then copy and paste it into the quick template editor.

 Note that even the new message editor may feel strange to someone new
to TB.  You can make the editor behave more like a typical windows
editor by using the autoformat options.  Be warned that this feature
has some oddities, so you may want to switch back and forth between
using it and disabling it.  I would post more details, but I can not
beat the explanations Allie (aka Curtis) has given previously.
Unfortunately, I can not find one of his explanations right now.  You
may have better luck searching the archives for this list.



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