Checking PGP signature

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello TBUDL,

I receive messages that are PGP signed, in this case from Mary. I
click on the icon to check the signature, and since I don't have her
key in my keyring, TB starts looking on the servers. then I remember
that that her key is not on any server, so I hit Cancel. I get a
pop-up that says "Invalid signature", that's normal.

I click the pop-up away and get the Microsoft window which says:

> thebat.exe has encountered a problem and needs to close.  We are sorry for 
> the inconvenience.

and buttons for [Send] and [Don't Send]. I hit Don't Send, and TB closes.

Funny thing is, with Roelof's signature, I don't get the MS window,
the search is jus stopped and I can continue working.

Using built-in support for PGP 6.5.8ckt.
Message created with The Bat! 3.62.14
under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2

Can anybody confirm?

-- 
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Thomas.



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Re: Add Begin PGP signature

[MFPA]

Hi

On Monday 14 February 2005 at 5:46:27 PM, in
, The Final Cut wrote:

> I've tried both and they don't work :(
> I right clic on my email acount, went to the template
> new msg and put that to my lastest line signature
> I send myself an email to my 2nd account and I
> don't see the Begin blabla stuff

My templates for the PGPNET mailing list
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PGPNET/)
end with

%usepgp%-
%nopgpmime%-
%signcomplete%-
%encryptcomplete%-

which enables PGP for the message, inline rather than MIME, signs
it and encrypts it. If I'm lucky. Usually it just causes TB!'s PGP
functionality to stop working until I restart TB! so I tend to use
the PGPtray current window method more often.

-- 
Best regards,
 
MFPAmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Add Begin PGP signature

[Melissa Reese]

Hi,

On Monday, February 14, 2005, at 12:57:39 PM PST, you wrote:

> Will this list be able to help me with thebat?
> I feel so near the answer on that :/

Yes, as many of the subscribers to that list are Bat users. :-)

-- 
Melissa

PGP public keys:
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]&Body=Please%20send%20keys

TB! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1



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Re[2]: Add Begin PGP signature

[The Final Cut]

Hello Peter Meyns

  On 14 février 2005 at 19:51:53GMT +0100 (which was 13:51 where I live)
Peter Meyns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

PM> This is getting off topic on this list. I recommend you join
PM> PGP-Basics
PM> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PGP-Basics/ or just
PM> subscribe
PM> to the mailing list:
PM> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Will this list be able to help me with thebat?
I feel so near the answer on that :/


-- 
The Final Cut
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Add Begin PGP signature

[Peter Meyns]

Hi The,

on Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:24:04 -0500GMT, you wrote:

TFC> I use GnuPG 1.4.0.  I've read the FAQ but I probably didnt
TFC> upload my key to public server
TFC> I can see the key by typing pgp --list-key
TFC> but I dont find how to upload it

This is getting off topic on this list. I recommend you join
PGP-Basics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PGP-Basics/ or just subscribe
to the mailing list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re[2]: Add Begin PGP signature

[The Final Cut]

Hello Peter Meyns

  On 14 février 2005 at 19:15:09GMT +0100 (which was 13:15 where I live) Peter 
Meyns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

PM> Your messages were both PGP/MIME signed. Where can I get your public
PM> key to verify the sigs?

PM> You can always view your sig by pressing {F9}. Still, you must have
PM> enabled PGP/MIME somewhere. Easiest way for the current message is to
PM> go to menu Privacy and check the entries. Next would be to review all
PM> templates and account settings.

I use GnuPG 1.4.0.  I've read the FAQ but I probably didnt upload my key to 
public server
I can see the key by typing pgp --list-key
but I dont find how to upload it



-- 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Add Begin PGP signature

[Peter Meyns]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi The,

on Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:46:27 -0500GMT, you wrote:

PM>> I guess the OP means an inline signature, because "Begin PGP
PM>> signature" will be displayed. This will be achieved with
PM>> %USEPGP%NOUSEPGPMIME%SIGNCOMPLETE.

TFC> I've tried both and they don't work :(
TFC> I right clic on my email acount, went to the template
TFC> new msg and put that to my lastest line signature
TFC> I send myself an email to my 2nd account and I
TFC> don't see the Begin blabla stuff

Your messages were both PGP/MIME signed. Where can I get your public
key to verify the sigs?

You can always view your sig by pressing {F9}. Still, you must have
enabled PGP/MIME somewhere. Easiest way for the current message is to
go to menu Privacy and check the entries. Next would be to review all
templates and account settings.

- -- 
Cheers
Peter

My computer never says, "Excellent command or file name"... hmm

Winamp currently playing: Gerard Hoffnung - Oxford Union Address 
'
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) - GPGshell v3.30
Comment: My key: https://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0xE10774CE
Comment: Gossamer Spider Web of Trust: http://www.gswot.org

iD8DBQFCEOqhAzZSBuEHdM4RAkkdAKDtoMlZr9p7sWzLbNKvsHanK3LNewCgr9yG
EsNfk/Vy9RwlhR98TnQmzdc=
=Plph
-END PGP SIGNATURE-

My computer never says, "Excellent command or file name"... hmm

Winamp currently playing: Gerard Hoffnung - Oxford Union Address 
'



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Re: Add Begin PGP signature

[Tony Boom]

Hello The,

  A reminder of what The Final Cut on TBUDL typed on:
  14 February 2005 at 18:54:38 GMT +0100

TFC> I send myself an email to my 2nd account and I
TFC> don't see the Begin blabla stuff

 That's because your Mime signing it. Try turning PGP MIME off.


-- 

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 _   
 Message composed on 14/02/2005 at 17:59 UTC   2004 - AWB
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PGP Key http://www.theboomclan.com/pgp.txt


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Re[2]: Add Begin PGP signature

[The Final Cut]

Hello Peter Meyns

  On 14 février 2005 at 17:59:03GMT +0100 (which was 11:59 where I live) Peter 
Meyns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

PM> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
PM> Hash: SHA1

PM> Hi Leif,

PM> on Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:35:41 -0700GMT, you wrote:

LG>> Monday, February 14, 2005, 8:30:03 AM, you wrote:
T>>> How to add the "Begin pgp signature" in
T>>> signature? All I found is
T>>> the %insertpgpkey


LG>> %USEPGP%PGPMIME%SIGNCOMPLETE

PM> That's correct for PGP/MIME signatures.

PM> I guess the OP means an inline signature, because "Begin PGP
PM> signature" will be displayed. This will be achieved with
PM> %USEPGP%NOUSEPGPMIME%SIGNCOMPLETE.


I've tried both and they don't work :(
I right clic on my email acount, went to the template
new msg and put that to my lastest line signature
I send myself an email to my 2nd account and I
don't see the Begin blabla stuff




-- 
The Final Cut
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Add Begin PGP signature

[Peter Meyns]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Leif,

on Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:35:41 -0700GMT, you wrote:

LG> Monday, February 14, 2005, 8:30:03 AM, you wrote:
T>> How to add the "Begin pgp signature" in signature? All I found is
T>> the %insertpgpkey


LG> %USEPGP%PGPMIME%SIGNCOMPLETE

That's correct for PGP/MIME signatures.

I guess the OP means an inline signature, because "Begin PGP
signature" will be displayed. This will be achieved with
%USEPGP%NOUSEPGPMIME%SIGNCOMPLETE.

- -- 
Cheers
Peter

Always record your data! It indicates you have been doing something.
'
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) - GPGshell v3.30
Comment: My key: https://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0xE10774CE
Comment: Gossamer Spider Web of Trust: http://www.gswot.org

iD8DBQFCENidAzZSBuEHdM4RAqRqAKCqWvf+QgdFBJoo18cm4eg9006C/ACgpRa0
lTaMtMdRaIqG1ajmeoChiVs=
=NlAU
-END PGP SIGNATURE-




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Re: Add Begin PGP signature

[Leif Gregory]

Hello The,

Monday, February 14, 2005, 8:30:03 AM, you wrote:
T> How to add the "Begin pgp signature" in signature? All I found is
T> the %insertpgpkey


%USEPGP%PGPMIME%SIGNCOMPLETE



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Add Begin PGP signature

[The Final Cut]

Hello all,
How to add the "Begin pgp signature" in signature?
All I found is the %insertpgpkey

Regards,

-- 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: PGP signature

[Jonathan Angliss]

> When you select to verify the key of another your PGP should
> automatically scan the public key servers for that individuals key.
> Once located a box should pop up with the key information and you
> should hit SELECT then IMPORT. Once you have imported the key open
> PGPKeys and select that key then select SIGN. If you have configured
> your PGP properly is should then attempt to connect to a public key
> server and update that signed key.

Of course, you sign the key only when you have verified it good, by
contacting the owner of the key... You never know who may be tweaking ;) 
Or who is relying on your signature. :)

-- 
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([EMAIL PROTECTED])


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Re[2]: PGP signature

[Michael Thompson]

Hello Allie,

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, at 21:33:59 [GMT -0500] (which was 03:33 in my
TimeZone) you wrote:

AM> I assume that you've enabled the PGP 8 integration with TB! by going to
AM> Tools/OpenPGP/'Choose OpenPGP Version'?

Yeap, done that. But TB does throw a wobbler at that point, saying
that the dll Entry point cant be found.

AM> After doing that, go to Tools/OpenPGP/OpenPGP Preferences.

AM> The PGP options dialog should appear.

AM> Go to the Servers tab and enable the option:

AM> Synchronize with server upon ... "verification".

This is how it is already.

AM> You can now try checking a signature signed with a key not on your
AM> keyring. The autochecking mechanism should be triggered. If it's not,
AM> then I don't know what's wrong. Likely a problem with your PGP
AM> installation.

Umm, I'll try re-installing then.

Thanks Allie.


-- 
Best regards,
 Michael

http://www.thompsonmike.co.uk/
PGP KeyID := 0xA9547E32
  

What do you mean that 2 years have passed?? 


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Re: PGP signature

[Allie Martin]

Michael Thompson, [MT] wrote:

MT> Is there any way to add some ones key from a message? When I get a
MT> PGP signed message, and click on the signature button on the viewer,
MT> it opens the PGP log window, but there seems to be no way off adding
MT> it to my keyring.

MT> Any ideas?

I assume that you've enabled the PGP 8 integration with TB! by going to
Tools/OpenPGP/'Choose OpenPGP Version'?

After doing that, go to Tools/OpenPGP/OpenPGP Preferences.

The PGP options dialog should appear.

Go to the Servers tab and enable the option:

Synchronize with server upon ... "verification".

You can now try checking a signature signed with a key not on your
keyring. The autochecking mechanism should be triggered. If it's not,
then I don't know what's wrong. Likely a problem with your PGP
installation.

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Re[3]: PGP signature

[DG Raftery Sr.]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Thursday, August 28, 2003
7:11:05 PM (GMT -05:00)
RE: "PGP signature"

Greetings Michael,

On Thursday, August 28, 2003, 6:55:46 PM, you wrote:

Michael> Hello DG,

Michael> On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, at 18:23:59 [GMT -0400] (which was 23:23 in my
Michael> TimeZone) you wrote:

DRS>> On Thursday, August 28, 2003, 2:05:43 PM, you wrote:

Michael>>>   Is there any way to add some ones key from a
Michael>>> message? When I get a PGP
Michael>>>   signed message, and click on the signature
Michael>>> button on the viewer, it
Michael>>>   opens the PGP log window, but there seems to be no way off adding it
Michael>>>   to my keyring.

Michael>>>   Any ideas?

Michael>>>   I am using PGP Version 8 and The Bat! version 2/b5

DRS>> When you select to verify the key of another your PGP should
DRS>> automatically scan the public key servers for that individuals key.
DRS>> Once located a box should pop up with the key information and you
DRS>> should hit SELECT then IMPORT.

Michael> I dont get these options, just the log window opens.

I am using PGP 6.8.5ckt from http://ipgpp.veniece.com/ .
PGP 8 gave me fits and and 6.8.5ckt plugs right into The_Bat!

Anyway ...

- --
Regards,
 DG Raftery Sr.

Don't hate me because I'm gorgeous - hate me because your girlfriend thinks I'm 
gorgeous!

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: PGP 9.0b1
Comment: KeyID: 0xECFE3F95
Comment: Fingerprint: 8ABE 6728 1CB9 E231 B2C8  C29D BC22 D3D1 ECFE 3F95

iQA/AwUBP06Nqrwi09Hs/j+VEQKHpQCdHz5XxX4ey1zJocq34Ukhqyuo+AkAoOHx
bdD/f7M0rVcoQW4x/QR047Xv
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Re[2]: PGP signature

[Michael Thompson]

Hello DG,

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, at 18:23:59 [GMT -0400] (which was 23:23 in my
TimeZone) you wrote:

DRS> On Thursday, August 28, 2003, 2:05:43 PM, you wrote:

Michael>>   Is there any way to add some ones key from a
Michael>> message? When I get a PGP
Michael>>   signed message, and click on the signature button on the viewer, it
Michael>>   opens the PGP log window, but there seems to be no way off adding it
Michael>>   to my keyring.

Michael>>   Any ideas?

Michael>>   I am using PGP Version 8 and The Bat! version 2/b5

DRS> When you select to verify the key of another your PGP should
DRS> automatically scan the public key servers for that individuals key.
DRS> Once located a box should pop up with the key information and you
DRS> should hit SELECT then IMPORT.

I dont get these options, just the log window opens.

-- 
Best regards,
 Michael

http://www.thompsonmike.co.uk/
PGP KeyID := 0xA9547E32
  

Honeymoon: time between "I do" and "you'd better" 


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Re: PGP signature

[DG Raftery Sr.]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Thursday, August 28, 2003
6:19:16 PM (GMT -05:00)
RE: "PGP signature"

Greetings Michael,

On Thursday, August 28, 2003, 2:05:43 PM, you wrote:

Michael>   Is there any way to add some ones key from a message? When I get a PGP
Michael>   signed message, and click on the signature button on the viewer, it
Michael>   opens the PGP log window, but there seems to be no way off adding it
Michael>   to my keyring.

Michael>   Any ideas?

Michael>   I am using PGP Version 8 and The Bat! version 2/b5

As well as with yours. Your key seems not to be available from any public
key server.

Anyway ...

When you select to verify the key of another your PGP should
automatically scan the public key servers for that individuals key.
Once located a box should pop up with the key information and you
should hit SELECT then IMPORT. Once you have imported the key open
PGPKeys and select that key then select SIGN. If you have configured
your PGP properly is should then attempt to connect to a public key
server and update that signed key.


- --
Regards,
 DG Raftery Sr.

Everything I need to know I got from watching Gilligan's Island.

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Version: PGP 9.0b1
Comment: KeyID: 0xECFE3F95
Comment: Fingerprint: 8ABE 6728 1CB9 E231 B2C8  C29D BC22 D3D1 ECFE 3F95

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Re[2]: PGP signature

[Michael Thompson]

Hello Peter,

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, at 20:44:24 [GMT +0200] (which was 19:44 in my
TimeZone) you wrote:




PM> Hi Michael,

PM> on Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:05:43 +0100GMT (28.08.03, 20:05 +0200GMT here),
PM> you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

MT>>   Is there any way to add some ones key from a message? When I get a PGP
MT>>   signed message, and click on the signature button on the viewer, it
MT>>   opens the PGP log window, but there seems to be no way off adding it
MT>>   to my keyring.

MT>>   Any ideas?

MT>>   I am using PGP Version 8 and The Bat! version 2/b5

PM> I have no experience with PGP 8. With 6.5.8 I had to provide some key
PM> servers in PGP keys. Now every time TB! encounters an unknown key it
PM> connects to the key servers and tries to retrieve it.

My system does contact the master key server, and communicates with
it. However, it is only the Log window that opens, and there appears
to be no way to add the key from TB or the log window. :(

PM>  It didn't work with your key. Where can I get your public key to verify your 
signature?

The key id (0xA9547E32) is in my sig. It is also available from
http://www.thompsonmike.co.uk/pgppubliccompat.txt





-- 
Best regards,
 Michael

http://www.thompsonmike.co.uk/
PGP KeyID := 0xA9547E32
  

Goodness has NOTHING to do with it. 


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Re: PGP signature

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Thursday, August 28, 2003, Michael Thompson wrote...

>   Is there any way to add some ones key from a message? When I get a PGP
>   signed message, and click on the signature button on the viewer, it
>   opens the PGP log window, but there seems to be no way off adding it
>   to my keyring.

There should be an option in PGP that will automatically fetch PGP
keys, it's not an option inside TB iirc. I'm not sure where it is in
PGP 8 however.

-- 
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([EMAIL PROTECTED])

!edis gnorw eht morf siht ta gnikool era uoY


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Re: PGP signature

[Peter Meyns]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Michael,

on Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:05:43 +0100GMT (28.08.03, 20:05 +0200GMT here),
you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

MT>   Is there any way to add some ones key from a message? When I get a PGP
MT>   signed message, and click on the signature button on the viewer, it
MT>   opens the PGP log window, but there seems to be no way off adding it
MT>   to my keyring.

MT>   Any ideas?

MT>   I am using PGP Version 8 and The Bat! version 2/b5

I have no experience with PGP 8. With 6.5.8 I had to provide some key
servers in PGP keys. Now every time TB! encounters an unknown key it
connects to the key servers and tries to retrieve it. It didn't work
with your key. Where can I get your public key to verify your signature?

- --
Cheers
Peter

Documentation is like sex: when it is good, it is very, very good;
and when it is bad, it is better than nothing.
 (Dick Brandon)

Winamp currently playing: Colosseum - Rope Ladder to the Moon

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affiliated companies.

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PGP signature

[Michael Thompson]

Hello tbudl,

  Is there any way to add some ones key from a message? When I get a PGP
  signed message, and click on the signature button on the viewer, it
  opens the PGP log window, but there seems to be no way off adding it
  to my keyring.

  Any ideas?

  I am using PGP Version 8 and The Bat! version 2/b5

-- 

Best regards,
 Michael ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
   
Another victim of involuntary performance art. 

http://www.thompsonmike.co.uk/
PGP KeyID := 0xA9547E32

Using TheBat! Version 2.0 Beta/5
Running On Windows XP (2600, Service Pack 1)
Sent From OneAndOne


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Re: PGP signature removal?

[Allie Martin]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Gavin Sinclair [GS] wrote:'

GS> Now that one or two reply templates have been published, could
GS> all this info be shoehorned into the FAQ somewhere?

It's already there in the macro and solutions library:

http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Library.html

This library includes a lot of macros which you can use in your
templates.

-- 
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Re: PGP signature removal?

[Gavin Sinclair]

On Wednesday, January 1, 2003, 3:27:37 PM, Gavin wrote:

> Hi all,

> [PGP signatures argably shouldn't be displayed in emails,] but the
> help and the FAQ mention nothing.

Now that one or two reply templates have been published, could all
this info be shoehorned into the FAQ somewhere?

Cheers,
Gavin



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Re: PGP signature removal?

[Jonathan Angliss]

>>> That won't work either - PGP has '- ' quoted the lines that start
>>> with '-'.
>
> JA>   Then maybe the template on the main site needs to be updated
> JA>   no?
>
> Nono - you misunderstand me :-). When you quoted it, there were some
> lines of the macro that begin with '-'. You then PGP signed the
> posting. PGP prefaced *all* of those lines with an extra '- ' before
> signing. That messes with how the macro works when someone copies
> and pastes it from your posted version. It's a pain like that.

Ahh... my bad... I should have realised that, commenting just earlier that
PGP replaces lines starting with a - with "- -".  I should have just
pasted a link, but the one you referenced was a bit better as it included
some extra checking, and strips out more stuff :)

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Re: PGP signature removal?

[M. Evans]

Allie Martin,

> We wonder why other clients never incorporate some of the no brainer
> features of TB!. I wonder the same about this feature of PMMail.

Exactly right.  Good P G P support is one reason I bought Bat.
Among other things, I use digital signatures to verify consulting
contracts with clients worldwide.

My only wish for Bat would be better integration with Gnu P G.
Such as

a) customizable locations for the Gnu EXE that don't
   depend upon PATH environment var
b) key manager
c) integrated Gnu P G distribution/setup with Bat (not an
   "internal implementation" of Gnu P G though) --
   for setup convenience of inexperienced "dummy" users who
   are totally confused by the Gnu P G web sites and public
   key systems generally -- so that they never have to even
   look at a Gnu P G website to use it

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Re: PGP signature removal?

[Marck D Pearlstone]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Jonathan,

@1-Jan-2003, 11:25 -0600 (17:25 UK time) Jonathan Angliss [JA] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>> That won't work either - PGP has '- ' quoted the lines that start
>> with '-'.

JA>   Then maybe the template on the main site needs to be updated
JA>   no?

Nono - you misunderstand me :-). When you quoted it, there were some
lines of the macro that begin with '-'. You then PGP signed the
posting. PGP prefaced *all* of those lines with an extra '- ' before
signing. That messes with how the macro works when someone copies
and pastes it from your posted version. It's a pain like that.

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Re: PGP signature removal?

[Jonathan Angliss]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

On Wednesday, January 01, 2003, Marck D Pearlstone wrote...

JA>> The correct version taken right from the website looks like this:

>  ... 

> That won't work either - PGP has '- ' quoted the lines that start
> with '-'.

  Then maybe the template on the main site needs to be updated no?

  http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/samples.html#qtsamples Quick
  template #7. The odd thing is that is the one I use, and it strips
  just fine. Maybe it just accidentally works?

> http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Library.html#quote+extraction

  This one seems a little more extensive, containing catches for other
  things as well. Some of which would probably vanish if people used
  proper cut marks anyway (ie, adverts at the bottom of the emails).

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Re: PGP signature removal?

[Jonathan Angliss]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

On Wednesday, January 01, 2003, Mary Bull wrote...

J>> [1] See comment a little further down :)

> I think you are right, and I did get caught in trying to quote
> Melissa's MACRO. I am very inexperienced. Would have been better
> just to refer to it and let those interested pick it up off the
> thread. :) Thank you for putting this correction in. I wouldn't want
> anyone to be disappointed, who tried to use my version.

  Don't take it as offence, or anything like that. Chances are, you
  were probably caught by a bad line wrap somewhere. Everybody gets
  caught by it at one time or another (check all those that paste
  their filters which contain a long event such as creating a batch
  file).

[cut]

J>> Not as far as I know. I've always seen it as just "-- " and a
J>> return after. No need for a double return above/below the 'cut'.
J>> In fact, I use mine as below, "-- " and I've not
J>> had a problem with it so far.

> I am going to copy and paste here, what I am seeing below your 'cut'
> line in this Reply text editor window. Do you mean that TB! will strip
> it before it gets published in my quote to the list, if I don't
> manually strip it or use Melissa's MACRO?

  Not in my case. I've PGP Signed my messages, which mean that the cut
  mark gets modified (although still half there). In this case, I put
  "-- ", but PGP modifies it to put "- --" which as you can see is
  different, so TB wont' cut it. Hence the need for a macro.

> I am going to send this Reply without doing anything to what is below
> your 'cut' line. Please do not take this as criticism. I am trying to
> learn. I have only been using The Bat! since October 15, 2002.

> Begin Copy-and-Paste:

  Something else to note is that copying and pasting text might not
  get processed by macos, or TB internal macros (such as stripping
  signatures), unless you explicitly use the %CLIPBOARD macro.

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Re: PGP signature removal?

[Allie Martin]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Mary Bull [MB] wrote:'

MB> In my experience reading these lists, there must be two Enter
MB> clicks below the 'cut' line.

For the signature delimiter to work? No, the extra empty lines
aren't necessary. If you prefer having them there then your choice
of course. :)

MB> That's simple to do manually. :)

You could put in your template so you don't have to be doing it
manually all the time.

MB> Again, thanks for your help.

You're welcome.

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Re: PGP signature removal?

[Mary Bull]

Hello Allie,

On Wednesday, January 01, 2003, 7:15 AM, you wrote:

< ... >

A> You can do the following:

A> Create an address book entry for TBUDL and using the list address,
A> [EMAIL PROTECTED] .

This entry I had already.

A> Right click the entry and select properties. Hit the 'Reply' tab,
A> enable the option 'Use a specific template for replies'.

A> Place in there, your reply template for the list (I reproduced it
A> from what I saw in your reply message so you could just copy and
A> paste the template below. There is deliberate wrapping there so you
A> don't have to adjust the macros to be a single long line.) ...

Thank you so much. I have done this now. Trying it out in this reply.
I made one manual adjustment.

In my experience reading these lists, there must be two Enter clicks below
the 'cut' line.

I just made an experiment of replying to one Lister, who said his form worked.
(I had been manually deleting everything below the 'cut' line, when
everything traveled into my Reply text editor window. That one time, I didn't
manually delete what was below his line. And it all showed up on the
Post when I received it.

I do believe there must be two lines left empty below the (-- ). So I
put them there in this message, although the template doesn't have
them.

That's simple to do manually. :)

Again, thanks for your help.


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Re: PGP signature removal?

[Allie Martin]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Mary Bull [MB] wrote:'

MB> So I can just "copy and paste" there (isn't it in Accounts,
MB> Properties?) in the same way I did into Quick Templates? Thanks,
MB> Allie. I will try it now.

You can do the following:

Create an address book entry for TBUDL and using the list address,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] .

Right click the entry and select properties. Hit the 'Reply' tab,
enable the option 'Use a specific template for replies'.

Place in there, your reply template for the list (I reproduced it
from what I saw in your reply message so you could just copy and
paste the template below. There is deliberate wrapping there so you
don't have to adjust the macros to be a single long line.):

---start template >

Hello %OFRomFName,

On %ODate, %OTime, you wrote:

%quotes="%SETPATTREGEXP=""(?is)(^-BEGIN\sPGP\sSIGNED.*?\n%-
(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(-(0,3)?\s*?--\s*\n|-(0,3)?\s*Yahoo!\s|%-
-BEGIN\sPGP\sSIGNATURE.*s?\n)|\z)"%-
"%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=""%text""%SUBPATT=""3"""

-- 
Mary

The Bat! %THEBATVERSION on %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME%-
 %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION%-
 %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION


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Re: PGP signature removal?

[Mary Bull]

Hello Allie!

On Wednesday, January 1, 2003 at 6:03:49 AM you wrote:

MB>> One good thing about lurking: occasionally a little manna falls
MB>> from heaven. I copied and pasted your template into Quick
MB>> Templates, then I used the backspace button to turn it into one
MB>> long line.

< ... >

A> Why do you use it as a quick template? Is this by choice?

Yes, because I forgot how to do the other templates. It has been a
long time since I've had the use of this desktop machine (it crashed
and had to be re-done, and so I forgot most of what was taught me in
November.

However, I thought, since Gavin (originator of the thread) did not
know what templates were, that would be an easy route for him, also.
It's the first use of templates that I learned.

A> I ask because you can use the macro in your reply templates. It will
A> work just fine on messages that aren't PGP signed. Just replace the
A> %quotes macro with this macro and you'll not have to manually do
A> anything from then. :)

So I can just "copy and paste" there (isn't it in Accounts,
Properties?) in the same way I did into Quick Templates? Thanks,
Allie. I will try it now.


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Re: PGP signature removal?

[Marck D Pearlstone]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Jonathan,

@1-Jan-2003, 03:38 -0600 (09:38 UK time) Jonathan Angliss [JA] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

JA> The correct version taken right from the website looks like this:

 ... 

That won't work either - PGP has '- ' quoted the lines that start
with '-'. It would be better to give the URL for it:

http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Library.html#quote+extraction


Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not
just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have
instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Jonathan.

Actually it is a note about the thread that seems to have become a
haven of excessive quoting. Please remember to trim your reply to
simply provide a context for your comments.


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Re: PGP signature removal?

[Allie Martin]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Mary Bull [MB] wrote:'

MB> One good thing about lurking: occasionally a little manna falls
MB> from heaven. I copied and pasted your template into Quick
MB> Templates, then I used the backspace button to turn it into one
MB> long line.

MB> And it works! In order to comply with a request that Leif
MB> Gregory made of me when I first joined this list in October,
MB> 2002, I have been manually stripping everything below the cut
MB> line (delimiter)for months now, before replying to it on the
MB> list. What a joy to use your expression on this reply to you and
MB> have everything gone in one click. :)

Why do you use it as a quick template? Is this by choice?

I ask because you can use the macro in your reply templates. It will
work just fine on messages that aren't PGP signed. Just replace the
%quotes macro with this macro and you'll not have to manually do
anything from then. :)

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Re: PGP signature removal?

[Allie Martin]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jonathan Angliss [JA] wrote:'

>> True :) I understand their meaning and still think it's a forest
>> of crap. Even if I thought signing messages in a public forum
>> were a brilliant idea, I'd still think it's noise, because it's
>> metadata, not actual message. It belongs in the same category as
>> all the header information that we care about, but don't really
>> need to see.

I agree with this completely.

JA> This is where PGP/MIME signatures would come in handy :) You
JA> wouldn't see that 'crap' as it'd be an attached signature.

PMMail 2000 doesn't use PGP/MIME and yet it very nicely deals with
the PGP metadata. It does exclude the PGP stuff from the viewer as
it does with the message headers.

In the status bar of the message viewer, you'll see that the message
the message has been PGP signed and whether or not the signature is
good/bad; valid/invalid. You therefore don't have to see the PGP
stuff within the message text and you don't have to manually check
the signature either.

We wonder why other clients never incorporate some of the no brainer
features of TB!. I wonder the same about this feature of PMMail.

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Re: PGP signature removal?

[Gavin Sinclair]

On Wednesday, January 1, 2003, 5:03:07 PM, Melissa wrote:

> I'll sign this one just for you. ;-)

> Melissa

Heh, no manual deforestation required.  Thanks again!

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Re[2]: PGP signature removal?

[Carl]

Hello Mary,


Thank You for the bunch of "BULL" .  (G)

Happy New Years,

Carl -reading the digest version


Wednesday, January 1, 2003, 2:45:03 AM, you wrote:

MB> Hello Melissa!

MB> On Wednesday, January 1, 2003 at 12:03:07 AM you wrote:

M>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
M>> Hash: SHA1

M>> On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 8:27:37 PM PST, Gavin Sinclair
M>> wrote:

>>> A lot of messages on this list, and some on others I frequent, use
>>> PGP signatures that hide the actual message in a forest of crap.

MB> < ... >

M>> There is a regex macro that you can use in your TB! reply templates to
M>> strip PGP signature material - and other stuff - from quoted text in
M>> replies:

M>> [all one line in a template]:

M>> %quotes='%SETPATTREGEXP="(?is)((\s*)?\n?-BEGIN PGP
M>> %-SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(-*?\s*?--\s*\n|_{40,}\s*\n|-%
M>> - -BEGIN PGP
M>> SIGNATURE.*s?\n|-+\s+.*roups.*~--\>)|_{64,}\n.*MSN|\z)"%-%REGEXPBLINDMAT
M>> CH="%text"%SUBPATT="4"'

MB> < ... >

MB> One good thing about lurking: occasionally a little manna falls from
MB> heaven. I copied and pasted your template into Quick Templates, then I
MB> used the backspace button to turn it into one long line.

MB> And it works! In order to comply with a request that Leif Gregory made
MB> of me when I first joined this list in October, 2002, I have been
MB> manually stripping everything below the cut line (delimiter)for months
MB> now, before replying to it on the list. What a joy to use your
MB> expression on this reply to you and have everything gone in one click. :)

MB> Slightly off this subject: many people are not providing a double
MB> hyphen cut line which actually works in writing to this list. My
MB> memory of the way Leif explained it to me is that there should be two
MB> line spaces (two clicks of Enter) both above and below the cut line
MB> (two hyphens plus a click of the space bar).

MB> If the two clicks of Enter below the hyphens don't happen, the cut line
MB> will not function. According to Leif, this model will strip everything below
MB> the cut line in the same way your regular expression MACRO as a
MB> template works. Except it will be the sender who has extended this
MB> courtesy to those who are replying on TBUDL. I practiced it with him, back in
MB> October, and he said what I was doing worked.

MB> Incidentally, wouldn't this work for Gavin:

MB> 1) Put the message into the full reading pane with a double-click on its 
highlighted
MB> line in the message list pane.

MB> 2) Click Reply or click the reply Green Arrow, usingthe quick template of your 
regular
MB> expression MACRO.

MB> 3) Read the message in this window, and then click the red X to close it.

MB> 4) At that point The Bat! will ask, "Save the Message" (meaning the reply),
MB> and the correct answer is "No," since nothing has been written--the Reply
MB> (text editor) window has simply been used for reading, without the signature,
MB> delightful (to me) cookies, and PGP signatures.

MB> Or is that a bad idea?



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Re: PGP signature removal?

[Mary Bull]

Hello Jonathan!

On Wednesday, January 1, 2003 at 3:38:18 AM you wrote:

J> [1] See comment a little further down :)

I think you are right, and I did get caught in trying to quote
Melissa's MACRO. I am very inexperienced. Would have been better just
to refer to it and let those interested pick it up off the thread. :)
Thank you for putting this correction in. I wouldn't want anyone to be
disappointed, who tried to use my version.

>> < ... >

M>>> There is a regex macro that you can use in your TB! reply templates to
M>>> strip PGP signature material - and other stuff - from quoted text in
M>>> replies:

M>>> [all one line in a template]:

M>>> %quotes='%SETPATTREGEXP="(?is)((\s*)?\n?-BEGIN PGP
M>>>
J> %-SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(-*?\s*?--\s*\n|_{40,}\s*\n|-%
M>>> - -BEGIN PGP
M>>>
J> SIGNATURE.*s?\n|-+\s+.*roups.*~--\>)|_{64,}\n.*MSN|\z)"%-%REGEXPBLINDMAT
M>>> CH="%text"%SUBPATT="4"'

>> < ... >

>> One good thing about lurking: occasionally a little manna falls from
>> heaven. I copied and pasted your template into Quick Templates, then I
>> used the backspace button to turn it into one long line.

J> I'm not entirely sure this was copied correctly.  As you notice at [1]
J> it still has the PGP header line.  The above code should have stripped
J> it.  I think the problem has to do with where you have one of your %-.
J> The correct version taken right from the website looks like this:

J> %quotes='%SETPATTREGEXP="(?is)((\s*)?\n?-BEGIN PGP %-
J> SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(%-
J> - -*?\s*?--\s*\n|_{40,}\s*\n|%-
J> \n-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE.*s?\n|%-
J> - -+\s+.*roups.*~--\>)|%-
J> \n+Get your FREE download|%-
J> \z)"%REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%text"%SUBPATT="4"'

J> I have a feeling a little bit of a nasty word wrap might have caught
J> somebody somewhere. Notice how on the first line it has the %- on the
J> end, but the quoted one above has the %- on the second line at the
J> front. I'm not sure how much of an affect it'd have, but it'd be
J> willing to guess it breaks the match up on the PGP Header line.

Again, thanks.

>> Slightly off this subject: many people are not providing a double
>> hyphen cut line which actually works in writing to this list. My
>> memory of the way Leif explained it to me is that there should be
>> two line spaces (two clicks of Enter) both above and below the cut
>> line (two hyphens plus a click of the space bar).

J> Not as far as I know. I've always seen it as just "-- " and a return
J> after. No need for a double return above/below the 'cut'. In fact, I
J> use mine as below, "-- " and I've not had a problem
J> with it so far.

I am going to copy and paste here, what I am seeing below your 'cut'
line in this Reply text editor window. Do you mean that TB! will strip
it before it gets published in my quote to the list, if I don't
manually strip it or use Melissa's MACRO?

I am going to send this Reply without doing anything to what is below
your 'cut' line. Please do not take this as criticism. I am trying to
learn. I have only been using The Bat! since October 15, 2002.

Begin Copy-and-Paste:

J> - --
J> Jonathan Angliss
J> ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

J> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
J> Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393  B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73

J> iQA/AwUBPhK3ECuD6BT4/R9zEQLeKwCaAi2iej+1dqBi1JzA7vnOA1n0m+QAoIn9
J> 024bIicY47n0qGshe1GewWqS
J> =kUrU
J> -END PGP SIGNATURE-


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End Copy-and-Paste.

J> - --
J> Jonathan Angliss
J> ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

J> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
J> Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393  B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73

J> iQA/AwUBPhK3ECuD6BT4/R9zEQLeKwCaAi2iej+1dqBi1JzA7vnOA1n0m+QAoIn9
J> 024bIicY47n0qGshe1GewWqS
J> =kUrU
J> -END PGP SIGNATURE-


J> 
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Re: PGP signature removal?

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Jonathan,

On Wed, 1 Jan 2003 03:38:18 -0600GMT (1-1-03, 10:38 +0100GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

JA> Notice how on the first line it has the %- on the end, but the
JA> quoted one above has the %- on the second line at the front. I'm
JA> not sure how much of an affect it'd have, but it'd be willing to
JA> guess it breaks the match up on the PGP Header line.

It does indeed. Recently it was discussed on this list. The %- at the
end of a line tells TB to forget the  immediately following the %-.
A %- at the beginning or in the middle of a line does nothing.
Therefore Melissa's macro was looking for this:
-BEGIN PGP
SIGNED
While it ought to look for
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED

However Melissa also stated that it ought to be put in one long line,
that makes all %- macros rather useless, but it has the effect that
the macro works, because there are no faulty line breaks.

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Re: PGP signature removal?

[Jonathan Angliss]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

On Wednesday, January 01, 2003, Mary Bull wrote...

M>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
M>> Hash: SHA1

[1] See comment a little further down :)

M>> On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 8:27:37 PM PST, Gavin Sinclair
M>> wrote:

>>> A lot of messages on this list, and some on others I frequent, use
>>> PGP signatures that hide the actual message in a forest of crap.

> < ... >

M>> There is a regex macro that you can use in your TB! reply templates to
M>> strip PGP signature material - and other stuff - from quoted text in
M>> replies:

M>> [all one line in a template]:

M>> %quotes='%SETPATTREGEXP="(?is)((\s*)?\n?-BEGIN PGP
M>>
%-SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(-*?\s*?--\s*\n|_{40,}\s*\n|-%
M>> - -BEGIN PGP
M>>
SIGNATURE.*s?\n|-+\s+.*roups.*~--\>)|_{64,}\n.*MSN|\z)"%-%REGEXPBLINDMAT
M>> CH="%text"%SUBPATT="4"'

> < ... >

> One good thing about lurking: occasionally a little manna falls from
> heaven. I copied and pasted your template into Quick Templates, then I
> used the backspace button to turn it into one long line.

I'm not entirely sure this was copied correctly.  As you notice at [1]
it still has the PGP header line.  The above code should have stripped
it.  I think the problem has to do with where you have one of your %-.
The correct version taken right from the website looks like this:

%quotes='%SETPATTREGEXP="(?is)((\s*)?\n?-BEGIN PGP %-
SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(%-
- -*?\s*?--\s*\n|_{40,}\s*\n|%-
\n-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE.*s?\n|%-
- -+\s+.*roups.*~--\>)|%-
\n+Get your FREE download|%-
\z)"%REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%text"%SUBPATT="4"'

I have a feeling a little bit of a nasty word wrap might have caught
somebody somewhere. Notice how on the first line it has the %- on the
end, but the quoted one above has the %- on the second line at the
front. I'm not sure how much of an affect it'd have, but it'd be
willing to guess it breaks the match up on the PGP Header line.

> Slightly off this subject: many people are not providing a double
> hyphen cut line which actually works in writing to this list. My
> memory of the way Leif explained it to me is that there should be
> two line spaces (two clicks of Enter) both above and below the cut
> line (two hyphens plus a click of the space bar).

Not as far as I know. I've always seen it as just "-- " and a return
after. No need for a double return above/below the 'cut'. In fact, I
use mine as below, "-- " and I've not had a problem
with it so far.

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Re: PGP signature removal?

[Mary Bull]

Hello Melissa!

On Wednesday, January 1, 2003 at 12:03:07 AM you wrote:

M> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
M> Hash: SHA1

M> On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 8:27:37 PM PST, Gavin Sinclair
M> wrote:

>> A lot of messages on this list, and some on others I frequent, use
>> PGP signatures that hide the actual message in a forest of crap.

< ... >

M> There is a regex macro that you can use in your TB! reply templates to
M> strip PGP signature material - and other stuff - from quoted text in
M> replies:

M> [all one line in a template]:

M> %quotes='%SETPATTREGEXP="(?is)((\s*)?\n?-BEGIN PGP
M> %-SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(-*?\s*?--\s*\n|_{40,}\s*\n|-%
M> - -BEGIN PGP
M> SIGNATURE.*s?\n|-+\s+.*roups.*~--\>)|_{64,}\n.*MSN|\z)"%-%REGEXPBLINDMAT
M> CH="%text"%SUBPATT="4"'

< ... >

One good thing about lurking: occasionally a little manna falls from
heaven. I copied and pasted your template into Quick Templates, then I
used the backspace button to turn it into one long line.

And it works! In order to comply with a request that Leif Gregory made
of me when I first joined this list in October, 2002, I have been
manually stripping everything below the cut line (delimiter)for months
now, before replying to it on the list. What a joy to use your
expression on this reply to you and have everything gone in one click. :)

Slightly off this subject: many people are not providing a double
hyphen cut line which actually works in writing to this list. My
memory of the way Leif explained it to me is that there should be two
line spaces (two clicks of Enter) both above and below the cut line
(two hyphens plus a click of the space bar).

If the two clicks of Enter below the hyphens don't happen, the cut line
will not function. According to Leif, this model will strip everything below
the cut line in the same way your regular expression MACRO as a
template works. Except it will be the sender who has extended this
courtesy to those who are replying on TBUDL. I practiced it with him, back in
October, and he said what I was doing worked.

Incidentally, wouldn't this work for Gavin:

1) Put the message into the full reading pane with a double-click on its highlighted
line in the message list pane.

2) Click Reply or click the reply Green Arrow, usingthe quick template of your regular
expression MACRO.

3) Read the message in this window, and then click the red X to close it.

4) At that point The Bat! will ask, "Save the Message" (meaning the reply),
and the correct answer is "No," since nothing has been written--the Reply
(text editor) window has simply been used for reading, without the signature,
delightful (to me) cookies, and PGP signatures.

Or is that a bad idea?


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Re: PGP signature removal?

[Jonathan Angliss]

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On Wednesday, January 01, 2003, Gavin Sinclair wrote...

>>> A lot of messages on this list, and some on others I frequent, use
>>> PGP signatures that hide the actual message in a forest of crap.

>> :-) One person's "forest of crap" might be another's wondrous
>> choreography of sparkling ciphertext! Well, at least it could mean
>> something to those who understand its reason for being.

> True :)  I understand their meaning and still think it's a forest of
> crap.  Even if I thought signing messages in a public forum were a
> brilliant idea, I'd still think it's noise, because it's metadata, not
> actual message.  It belongs in the same category as all the header
> information that we care about, but don't really need to see.

This is where PGP/MIME signatures would come in handy :) You wouldn't
see that 'crap' as it'd be an attached signature.

> BTW I'm pretty sure some other mailers (Mozilla? KMail?) hide the
> PGP/GnuPG/OpenPGP metadata from view (which is all I want, not to
> see it removed), and it seems like a pretty good idea for TB!

It depends on the format. I am not sure you'll find Mozilla stripping
the pgp signatures from view if it is an inline signature, but you
probably wouldn't see it if it was PGP/MIME signed. There is Sylpheed
(or was it evolution... Syafril will probably know... I've completely
forgotten myself) on Linux (there is a win32 version too) that does
replace the normal PGP signatures (inline ones that is) with a
padlock.

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Re: PGP signature removal?

[Gavin Sinclair]

On Wednesday, January 1, 2003, 5:03:07 PM, Melissa wrote:

>> A lot of messages on this list, and some on others I frequent, use
>> PGP signatures that hide the actual message in a forest of crap.

> :-) One person's "forest of crap" might be another's wondrous
> choreography of sparkling ciphertext! Well, at least it could mean
> something to those who understand its reason for being.

True :)  I understand their meaning and still think it's a forest of
crap.  Even if I thought signing messages in a public forum were a
brilliant idea, I'd still think it's noise, because it's metadata, not
actual message.  It belongs in the same category as all the header
information that we care about, but don't really need to see.

Thanks for the tips.  I don't understand that template you gave me
very well, but I'm sure I won't remain ignorant for long.  (That's not
a cry for help, I'm off to the documenation now.)

BTW I'm pretty sure some other mailers (Mozilla? KMail?) hide the
PGP/GnuPG/OpenPGP metadata from view (which is all I want, not to see
it removed), and it seems like a pretty good idea for TB!

Cheers,
Gavin



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Re: PGP signature removal?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Gavin,

On Wed, 1 Jan 2003 15:27:37 +1100 GMT (01/01/03, 11:27 +0700 GMT),
Gavin Sinclair wrote:

> A lot of messages on this list, and some on others I frequent, use PGP
> signatures that hide the actual message in a forest of crap.  The Bat!
> being the powerful program it is, there must be a way to view the
> message without the noise, but the help and the FAQ mention nothing.

> Do you guys have any approach?

The best approach is to lobby the developers (once again) via the
wishlist.

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PGP signature removal?

[Gavin Sinclair]

Hi all,

A lot of messages on this list, and some on others I frequent, use PGP
signatures that hide the actual message in a forest of crap.  The Bat!
being the powerful program it is, there must be a way to view the
message without the noise, but the help and the FAQ mention nothing.

Do you guys have any approach?

Cheers,
Gavin

(Also from Sydney, Australia.)



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Re[2]: Problem Verifying PGP Signature of TheBat's Announcement

[Britt Malka]

Dear Sudip,
 


Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 9:36:16 AM you wrote:

JB>> https://support.ritlabs.com/pgpkeys/office.txt).

SP> I can't load the page. What gives?

Have you tried without the bracket?



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Re: Problem Verifying PGP Signature of TheBat's Announcement

[Sudip Pokhrel]

Hi Joe,

On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 22:43:09 -0400 GMT (Jul 23, 08:28 my local time),
you [JB] wrote:

JB> Furthermore, there was a URL to RitLab's public encryption key
JB> (PGP key is available at
JB> https://support.ritlabs.com/pgpkeys/office.txt).

I can't load the page. What gives?

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Re: Problem Verifying PGP Signature of TheBat's Announcement

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Mon, 2002-07-22 at 21:43, Joe Berry wrote:

> (I hope this email didn't get posted twice.  I sent the first copy
> before I had registered myself.  I don't think it was distributed.)

If you're not on the list... you're mail is not coming in ;)  (hehe...
makes me sound like a doorman)

> I'm not a heavy user of pgp so this problem may well be do to
> something I'm not doing right.  Until now, I have only encrypted and
> decrypted messages.

Nothing wrong with playing.  I do it all the time.

> At any rate, I received the notice of the new version of TheBat (v
> 1.61) and happened to notice that there was a pgp signature
> associated with the email.  Furthermore, there was a URL to RitLab's public
> encryption key (PGP key is available at 
>https://support.ritlabs.com/pgpkeys/office.txt).
> So I grabbed the public key and imported it to my pgp keyring.  I then
> asked TheBat to verify the signature of the 1.61 announcement email. 
> Pgp displayed a message saying that the key was invalid.

Yes, and thanks to the very helpful Marck, I managed to understand the
reasoning behind this 'error'.  It is in fact a bad choice of phrasing
by the developers, and should really say something more along the lines
of "untrusted key".  Although the key is valid (if you check with TB!
developers I'm sure they can vouch for it), you have not set a trust
level on the key.  This (badly) reports the key is invalid.  This is not
true however.  The key is valid, just not necessarily trusted.  If you
open up PGPkeys, sign the key with an unexportable signature (only you
can use it), and set it to trusted, then recheck the same message, and
you should notice the message goes away.

Marck was also kind enough to point out GnuPG (I think that was it)
actually behaves a little better, or at least gives you better
messages.  For example, actually says untrusted key, instead of invalid
key.

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Re: Problem Verifying PGP Signature of TheBat's Announcement

[Nick Andriash]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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Hello Joe Berry,

In Reference to your Posting on Monday, July 22 2002 at 07:43 PM PDT,

> Pgp displayed a message saying that the key was invalid.

That is a poor choice of word on NAI's part. All it means is that you
haven't assigned it a level of trust yet, and that there is no signature
on that Public Key that you trust. If you sign that Public Key with a
non-exportable signature, the "Invalid" status will change to "Valid".

> Has anyone else done this?  Does it work correctly for you?  I tried
> sending an email to myself using a pgp signature and it worked fine
> (nice to know I'm still me).  I will put a signature around this
> email
> (my public key is available at pgpkeys.mit.edu, among other places.

I couldn't find your Key on any of the KeyServers I visited. I did notice
that your word wrapping was a little funky, and I think the reason is that
you have engaged PGP's word wrapping... PGP's Options/Email. TB has a
wonderful WYSIWYG Editor... no behind the scenes wrapping taking place, so
you can literally disengage PGP's wrapping. That way, what you type will
get signed... and sent exactly as you see it. :o)


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Problem Verifying PGP Signature of TheBat's Announcement

[Joe Berry]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-

(I hope this email didn't get posted twice.  I sent the first copy
before I had registered myself.  I don't think it was distributed.)

I'm not a heavy user of pgp so this problem may well be do to
something I'm not doing right.  Until now, I have only encrypted and
decrypted messages.

At any rate, I received the notice of the new version of TheBat (v
1.61) and happened to notice that there was a pgp signature
associated
with the email.  Furthermore, there was a URL to RitLab's public
encryption key (PGP key is available at
https://support.ritlabs.com/pgpkeys/office.txt).  So I grabbed the
public key and imported it to my pgp keyring.  I then asked TheBat to
verify the signature of the 1.61 announcement email.  Pgp displayed a
message saying that the key was invalid.

Has anyone else done this?  Does it work correctly for you?  I tried
sending an email to myself using a pgp signature and it worked fine
(nice to know I'm still me).  I will put a signature around this
email
(my public key is available at pgpkeys.mit.edu, among other places.

Thanks for any clarification or illumination on this subject,

Joe
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Re: PGP, Signature Format, OK?

[Nick Andriash]

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On May 16, 2001, at 9:01:33 AM, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

> Just did a dummy run. The answer is the plug-in. I will do the same
> again - signed from the tool tray and you'll see it's fine.

Yes, it is in the Plugin. My last message was signed via the Plugin, and
my delimiter isn't working. OTOH, if I use GnuPGShell, or WinPT or
PGPTray, then the delimiter is recognised. So the Plugin must be stripping
that trailing space as you mention.


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Re: PGP, Signature Format, OK?

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Nick,

On 16 May 2001 at  08:35:16 -0700 (which was 16:35 where I  live) Nick
Andriash wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points:

NA> Yes, I've noted that when you hit the reply button on Marck's
NA> messages, the delimiter is ignored for some reason. It's not just
NA> Marck's messages though, as Dierk's messages and many others act
NA> the same way... where the delimiter is ignored when dash-escaped
NA> by PGP.

NA> I cannot see a pattern yet, but it may have something to do with
NA> the PGP version one has... although I don't see how that should
NA> matter.

I can. My dash-escaped sig has the trailing space removed when it is
escaped. Yours does not. I'm going to sign this with PGP-Tray to see
if it's that. I've used both GPG and PGP6.5.8 with plug-ins. The only
other variable is that Nick's using 7.1 of PGP.

Just did a dummy run. The answer is the plug-in. I will do the same
again - signed from the tool tray and you'll see it's fine.

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Re: PGP, Signature Format, OK?

[Nick Andriash]

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On May 16, 2001, at 8:38:25 AM, Dierk Haasis wrote:

> Confirmed, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

On your messages it doesn't... but on mine, it does. 

Win98SE with PGP 7.1, GnuPG 1.0.5 through GnuPGShell 1.76 and WinPT 0.2.0


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Re: PGP, Signature Format, OK?

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Peter!

On Wednesday, May 16, 2001 at 11:19:36 AM you wrote:

> I don't know why, but you seem to make something right. I've also
> already noticed the PGP-delimiter is used meanwhile, but, it's
> harm, not all the time. YOUR mails I can reply to and the ugly
> PGP-parts are cutted of. Many other mails that came over the list too
> (I haven't tested all yet), but I got a PM from "Marck D. Pearlstone",
> where "the trick" didn't work :-(

Confirmed, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.



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Re: PGP, Signature Format, OK?

[Nick Andriash]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

On May 16, 2001, at 2:19:36 AM, Peter Palmreuther wrote:

> (I haven't tested all yet), but I got a PM from "Marck D. Pearlstone",
> where "the trick" didn't work :-(

Yes, I've noted that when you hit the reply button on Marck's messages,
the delimiter is ignored for some reason. It's not just Marck's messages
though, as Dierk's messages and many others act the same way... where the
delimiter is ignored when dash-escaped by PGP.

I cannot see a pattern yet, but it may have something to do with the PGP
version one has... although I don't see how that should matter.


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Re: PGP, Signature Format, OK?

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Nick,

On Wednesday, May 16, 2001 at 9:53:17 AM you wrote:

NA> It sure does on my machine, and I have no Regex's in my reply Template. If
NA> I take any message of mine and hit the reply button, all information below
NA> my delimiter is omitted. 

I don't know why, but you seem to make something right. I've also
already noticed the PGP-delimiter is used meanwhile, but, it's
harm, not all the time. YOUR mails I can reply to and the ugly
PGP-parts are cutted of. Many other mails that came over the list too
(I haven't tested all yet), but I got a PM from "Marck D. Pearlstone",
where "the trick" didn't work :-( The only difference (ignoring the
difference in the text *g*) I could see was the additional sig the
list attaches. I've copy Marcs mail to a temp folder, took of the
regexp in my reply-template, edited the mail and added originally the
sig from the list (-- \n ... "Archives   : "-stuff) ... it
didn't work out for me ... SO WHAT's the difference? I do the hell not
know why it's one/many time working and another time not :-(

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Re: PGP, Signature Format, OK?

[Thomas]

Hi Nick,

On Wed, 16 May 2001 00:53:17 -0700GMT (16/05/2001, 15:53 +0800GMT),
Nick Andriash wrote:

>> No. You have to use a RegEx to cut off the sig, if it is different from
>> the basic dash-dash-space-enter. TB does *not* recognise
>> dash-space-dash-dash-space-enter as a sig delimiter.

NA> It sure does on my machine, and I have no Regex's in my reply Template.

Wow. I just took the RegEx out of my reply template, and you're right,
TB does recognise the PGP escaped sig delimiter now. :-) When was that
introduced?

Anyway, I stand corrected.

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Re: PGP, Signature Format, OK?

[Nick Andriash]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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On May 16, 2001, at 12:34:06 AM, Thomas wrote:

> No. You have to use a RegEx to cut off the sig, if it is different from
> the basic dash-dash-space-enter. TB does *not* recognise
> dash-space-dash-dash-space-enter as a sig delimiter.

It sure does on my machine, and I have no Regex's in my reply Template. If
I take any message of mine and hit the reply button, all information below
my delimiter is omitted. 


Nick
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Re: PGP, Signature Format, OK?

[Thomas]

Hi Nick,

On Tue, 15 May 2001 22:19:49 -0700GMT (16/05/2001, 13:19 +0800GMT),
Nick Andriash wrote:

NA> At first glance it would appear not. The signature delimiter is "hyphen
NA> hyphen space", and even though a PGP signature will dash escape that text,
NA> The Bat! will still recognize the delimiter.

No. You have to use a RegEx to cut off the sig, if it is different
from the basic dash-dash-space-enter. TB does *not* recognise
dash-space-dash-dash-space-enter as a sig delimiter.

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Re: PGP, Signature Format, OK?

[Nick Andriash]

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On May 15, 2001, at 9:56:48 AM, Paddy L wrote:

> Have I properly formatted the PGP signature and the cut off (-- )?

At first glance it would appear not. The signature delimiter is "hyphen
hyphen space", and even though a PGP signature will dash escape that text,
The Bat! will still recognize the delimiter.

In your case however, it does not seem to which makes me think that you
perhaps did not include the space after the two hyphens. That delimiter
has to be on a line of it's own, but I am not sure with TB! if you have to
hit the enter key after the space. I will PGP sign this, and when
received, simply hit the Reply button and everything *below* the delimiter
should be gone, including the PGP stuff. ;o)


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Re: PGP, Signature Format, OK?

[Thomas]

Hello Paddy,

On Tue, 15 May 2001 09:56:48 -0700 GMT (16/05/01, 00:56 +0800 GMT),
Paddy L wrote:

PL> Have I properly formatted the PGP signature

Probably (if I could only check it).

PL> and the cut off (-- )?

That one is being mutilated by PGP signing. There is a RegEx to
correct it.

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PGP, Signature Format, OK?

[Paddy L]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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Hello TBUDL,

Have I properly formatted the PGP signature and the cut off (-- )?

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Re: Check PGP signature

[Roland Burger]

Hi A,

on  Sun,  29  Apr 2001 16:10:27 -0500 GMT (which was 29.04.2001, 23:10
+0100 GMT where I live) A Curtis Martin wrote:


> Presently Tools/PGP/Check PGP Signature doesn't decrypt messages for me.
> Can others confirm this? If so, then Ritlabs need to correct their page
> information on this.

No, you must choose with TB PGP decryption (Shift + Strg + D) and not
Check PGP Signature!

> ©Allie

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Re: Check PGP signature

[Nick Andriash]

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On April 29, 2001, at 4:28:28 PM, A Curtis Martin wrote:

ACM> So you don't have a problem with the instruction:

:o) Sure I do, but strictly speaking, TB! is doing exactly what it was
instructed to do. I agree... of course... the instructions need to be
changed to better reflect how those two operations are performed: Check
PGP Signature and PGP Decrypt.

OTOH, there are other aspects of TB!'s documentation... documentation that
relates directly to TB!... that require re-working. PGP's functions are
better explained in it's own documentation.

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Re: Check PGP signature

[A Curtis Martin]

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On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 16:04:09 -0700, Nick graced us with these comments:

NA> But Tom was choosing "Check PGP signature"... and couldn't understand
NA> why he was asked for his passphrase and nothing else happened. It was
NA> because he never asked for the message to be decrypted... only the
NA> signature to be checked, which is what the Plugin happily performed.
NA> Now, he was asked for his passphrase because the message *had* to be
NA> decrypted before the signature could be checked, and the passphrase is
NA> required for that function because his Private Key is used to decrypt
NA> the message.

So you don't have a problem with the instruction:

   To decrypt an encrypted e-mail message from The Bat!, use "Check  PGP
   signature" command from the Tools menu.

Alrighty then. :-)

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Re: Check PGP signature

[Nick Andriash]

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On April 29, 2001, at 3:52:14 PM, A Curtis Martin wrote:

ACM> If they ask how to verify a signature, I'd tell them to use the
ACM> "check PGP signature" command and add that the command works with
ACM> encrypted and signed messages as well. However, for encrypted
ACM> messages an unencrypted copy isn't created in order to simply verify
ACM> the signature. I don't quite know if someone would wish to only
ACM> verify the signature of an encrypted message and not decrypt and read
ACM> it as well.

ACM> This is why PGP so clearly makes their command, decrypt and verify.
ACM> There's no verification only command.

But Tom was choosing "Check PGP signature"... and couldn't understand why
he was asked for his passphrase and nothing else happened. It was because
he never asked for the message to be decrypted... only the signature to be
checked, which is what the Plugin happily performed. Now, he was asked for
his passphrase because the message *had* to be decrypted before the
signature could be checked, and the passphrase is required for that
function because his Private Key is used to decrypt the message.

Granted, there are not many situations that would warrant a signature
check on an encrypted message... and not want the decrypted message
presented in some form. ;o)

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Re: Check PGP signature

[A Curtis Martin]

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On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 15:33:24 -0700, Nick graced us with these comments:

NA> But what TB! does when it checks a signature on a PGP encrypted
NA> message is exactly as advertised. The message must first be decrypted
NA> to obtain the signature... the verification information is presented
NA> in the PGPLog, but the message remains in it's encrypted state.
NA> Therefore:

NA> "To decrypt an encrypted e-mail message from The Bat!, use "Check  PGP
NA> signature" command from the Tools menu. If the message is  signed, PGP
NA> automatically checks its signature validity. Note that  the message is NOT
NA> stored so you need to decrypt it this way each  time you read the
NA> message."

NA> depicts exactly the way TB! behaves when you check the signature on an
NA> encrypted message. OTOH, if you use Tools/PGP/PGP Decrypt then TB! will
NA> check the signature *and* leave a copy of the decrypted message.

I see what you're saying but what is written on the web page is still
misleading. If a TB! user says that he/she wishes to decrypt a message,
what do you think they mean, and what would you tell them to do? I'd tell
them to use the PGP decrypt command and explain how it works, assuming
that they wish to decrypt *and* read the message.

If they ask how to verify a signature, I'd tell them to use the "check PGP
signature" command and add that the command works with encrypted and
signed messages as well. However, for encrypted messages an unencrypted
copy isn't created in order to simply verify the signature. I don't quite
know if someone would wish to only verify the signature of an encrypted
message and not decrypt and read it as well.

This is why PGP so clearly makes their command, decrypt and verify.
There's no verification only command.

©Allie
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Re: Check PGP signature

[Nick Andriash]

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On April 29, 2001, at 12:43:53 PM, A Curtis Martin wrote:

aen>> "To decrypt an encrypted e-mail message from The Bat!, use "Check
aen>> PGP signature" command from the Tools menu. If the message is
aen>> signed, PGP automatically checks its signature validity. Note that
aen>> the message is NOT stored so you need to decrypt it this way each
aen>> time you read the message.

ACM> This isn't what happens in my usage of TB!. Checking the signature of a
ACM> signed and encrypted message simply checks the signature. It doesn't
ACM> decrypt the message.

But what TB! does when it checks a signature on a PGP encrypted message is
exactly as advertised. The message must first be decrypted to obtain the
signature... the verification information is presented in the PGPLog, but
the message remains in it's encrypted state. Therefore:

"To decrypt an encrypted e-mail message from The Bat!, use "Check  PGP
signature" command from the Tools menu. If the message is  signed, PGP
automatically checks its signature validity. Note that  the message is NOT
stored so you need to decrypt it this way each  time you read the
message."

depicts exactly the way TB! behaves when you check the signature on an
encrypted message. OTOH, if you use Tools/PGP/PGP Decrypt then TB! will
check the signature *and* leave a copy of the decrypted message.

Tom's original question was:

> But when I click on check pgp signature, It asks for my passphrase and
> ... nothing !
> So i'd like to know what happens to you, I hoped a window opened with
> my message decrypted or something like that.

If he wants to do both... check the signature *and* decrypt the message,
then he must use Tools/PGP/PGP Decrypt. Choosing only Tools/PGP/PGP Check
Signature will do exactly that, but even to do that, PGP must use your
Private Key to decrypt the message to get at the signature, which is why
it asks for your Passphrase. The reason it didn't leave a decrypted copy
as well is because that was not asked for. No? Yes?


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Re: Check PGP signature

[A Curtis Martin]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 16:10:27 -0500, A thoughtfully wrote the following:

ACM>>> TB! web site? Would you give the URL. I'm curious.

aen>> you can found it in THe bat help file the_bat.hlp or at the url :
aen>> http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/pgp.html

ACM> Presently Tools/PGP/Check PGP Signature doesn't decrypt messages for me.
ACM> Can others confirm this? If so, then Ritlabs need to correct their page
ACM> information on this.

I should've added that I checked with the official release version 1.51.

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Re: Check PGP signature

[A Curtis Martin]

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On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:12:09 +0200, ad wrote these words of wisdom:

ACM>> TB! web site? Would you give the URL. I'm curious.

aen> you can found it in THe bat help file the_bat.hlp or at the url :
aen> http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/pgp.html

Presently Tools/PGP/Check PGP Signature doesn't decrypt messages for me.
Can others confirm this? If so, then Ritlabs need to correct their page
information on this.

©Allie
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ACM> TB! web site? Would you give the URL. I'm curious.

you can found it in THe bat help file the_bat.hlp or at the url :
http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/pgp.html

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Re[2]: Check PGP signature

[Ron Secord]

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Hi A,

On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, at 14:02:51 [GMT -0500] (3:02 PM where I live) you
wrote the following in regards to "Check PGP signature":

ACM> Ok. This is why I decrypt with PGP Tray these days. If I wish to reply, I
ACM> copy stuff from the PGP decryption window.

I also use PGPtray to decrypt so as *not* to have decrypted messages
hanging around. I know when I used to use Pegasus and I decrypted a
message it would show the message in a viewer, similar to PGPtray and
when the message was closed, it remained encrypted. It didn't produce
another *decrypted* message. Just one of the things I would like to
see in TB!

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Re: Check PGP signature

[A Curtis Martin]

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On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:26:06 +0200, ad wrote these words of wisdom:

aen> So here is a copy of a page of TB web site :

TB! web site? Would you give the URL. I'm curious.

aen> "To decrypt an encrypted e-mail message from The Bat!, use "Check PGP
aen> signature" command from the Tools menu. If the message is signed, PGP
aen> automatically checks its signature validity. Note that the message is
aen> NOT stored so you need to decrypt it this way each time you read the
aen> message.

This isn't what happens in my usage of TB!. Checking the signature of a
signed and encrypted message simply checks the signature. It doesn't
decrypt the message.

aen> Another way is decryption as a message into your message base using
aen> "Decrypt PGP..." command of the Tools menu. Note that in this case
aen> your privacy might appear as defenceless because the message is stored
aen> in your message base in clear text so anybody else can read it."

This part is true and goes according to my usage.

aen> The second paragraph is OK for me, but TB! don't behaves like first
aen> paragraph or i really don't understand it.
aen> ( to my opinion, it shoud works like the pgp "secure viewer")

It seems to be in error to me. Did you extract this information from TB!
FAQ pages?

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Re[2]: Check PGP signature

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ACM> But where is it written that TB! behaves otherwise from what we're
ACM> experiencing?

So here is a copy of a page of TB web site :

"To decrypt an encrypted e-mail message from The Bat!, use "Check PGP
signature" command from the Tools menu. If the message is signed, PGP
automatically checks its signature validity. Note that the message is
NOT stored so you need to decrypt it this way each time you read the
message.

Another way is decryption as a message into your message base using
"Decrypt PGP..." command of the Tools menu. Note that in this case
your privacy might appear as defenceless because the message is stored
in your message base in clear text so anybody else can read it."


The second paragraph is OK for me, but TB! don't behaves like first
paragraph or i really don't understand it.
( to my opinion, it shoud works like the pgp "secure viewer")

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Re: Check PGP signature

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Allie,

On 29 April 2001 at  14:02:51 -0500 (which was 20:02 where I  live) A
Curtis Martin wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] on TBUDL and made these points:

aen>> It's just because i don't want to leave decrypted messages in my
aen>> mailbox. So I delete them in the mailbox and another time in the trash
aen>> to completely wipe them.

ACM> Ok. This is why I decrypt with PGP Tray these days. If I wish to
ACM> reply, I copy stuff from the PGP decryption window.

It has to be said that the recent suggestion of a Read filter which
picks up "(pgp decrypted)" in the subject of a read message and does a
filter action delete does the job beautifully. No double delete needed
since a filter action delete never "touches the sides on the way
down".

For me it makes complete and final sense of the plug-in.

Mind you, you have to set up a filter for each folder in which
decrypted messages might appear, but that's just a quick copy and
fudge of the original filter.

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Re: Check PGP signature

[A Curtis Martin]

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On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:52:33 +0200, ad thoughtfully wrote the following:

aen>>> But in fact i'd like TB! behaves as it's written because i have to
aen>>> delete each decrypted message twice and that's a bit annoying.

ACM>> You lost me there. Would you explain what you meant there. Why do you have
ACM>> to delete each decrypted message twice?

aen> It's just because i don't want to leave decrypted messages in my
aen> mailbox. So I delete them in the mailbox and another time in the trash
aen> to completely wipe them.

Ok. This is why I decrypt with PGP Tray these days. If I wish to reply, I
copy stuff from the PGP decryption window.

But where is it written that TB! behaves otherwise from what we're
experiencing?

©Allie
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Re[2]: Check PGP signature

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aen Note that the message is NOT stored so you need to decrypt it this
aen way each time you read the message."

aen>> But in fact i'd like TB! behaves as it's written because i have to
aen>> delete each decrypted message twice and that's a bit annoying.

ACM> You lost me there. Would you explain what you meant there. Why do you have
ACM> to delete each decrypted message twice?

It's just because i don't want to leave decrypted messages in my
mailbox. So I delete them in the mailbox and another time in the trash
to completely wipe them.

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Re: Check PGP signature

[A Curtis Martin]

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On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 15:03:58 +0200, ad thoughtfully wrote the following:

aen>>> Note that the message is NOT stored so you need to decrypt it this
aen>>> way each time you read the message."

aen> But in fact i'd like TB! behaves as it's written because i have to
aen> delete each decrypted message twice and that's a bit annoying.

You lost me there. Would you explain what you meant there. Why do you have
to delete each decrypted message twice?

©Allie
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Re[2]: Check PGP signature

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OK, so we agree that the help file is wrong on these two points:

aen>> "To decrypt an encrypted e-mail message from The Bat!, use "Check PGP
aen>> signature" command from the Tools menu.

aen>> Note that the message is NOT stored so you need to decrypt it this
aen>> way each time you read the message."

But in fact i'd like TB! behaves as it's written because i have to
delete each decrypted message twice and that's a bit annoying.

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Re: Check PGP signature

[A Curtis Martin]

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On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:43:17 +0200, ad wrote these comments:

aen> so on pgp help page i found :

aen> "To decrypt an encrypted e-mail message from The Bat!, use "Check PGP
aen> signature" command from the Tools menu.

To decrypt an encrypted message you need to use the decrypt command. Go to
the menus and choose Tools/PGP/PGP decrypt. The password prompt should
appear. Type in your password and hit .

The other way to get at the pgp decrypt command is by right clicking on
the message and go to Specials/PGP decrypt or simply hit Shift-Ctrl-D.

aen> If the message is signed, PGP automatically checks its signature
aen> validity.

Yes.

aen> Note that the message is NOT stored so you need to decrypt it this
aen> way each time you read the message."

When TB! decrypts a message, it creates a decrypted copy and adds it to
the message list. The decrypted message is indicated by "(PGP decrypted)"
being appended to the subject header.

aen> But when I click on check pgp signature,

Checking a signature is really checking the signature in my message here.
This command isn't what you use to decrypt encrypted messages.

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Check PGP signature

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Hi,

I've already post that problem a while but as I got no answer and saw a
new faq, here it is again :

so on pgp help page i found :

"To decrypt an encrypted e-mail message from The Bat!, use "Check PGP
signature" command from the Tools menu. If the message is signed, PGP
automatically checks its signature validity. Note that the message is
NOT stored so you need to decrypt it this way each time you read the
message."

But when I click on check pgp signature, It asks for my passphrase and
... nothing !
So i'd like to know what happens to you, I hoped a window opened with
my message decrypted or something like that.

thanks for help

THeBat 1.51 - PGP 5.5.8ckt - win98

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Re: PGP signature verification: always get "invalid signature format"

[A . Curtis Martin]

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  On Thu, 26 Oct 2000 00:20:24  -0500, Tony A. T. Mendina wrote:

[snip]
TATM> Moral of the story: check all your settings carefully when you
TATM> discover a "bug!"

A very important moral there.

Another is to also carefully check if other applications or system
settings are interfering when others cannot duplicate your 'bug'. ;-)

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Re: PGP signature verification: always get "invalid signature format"

[Tony A. T. Mendina]

Tony A. T. Mendina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said at 11:57 PM on 10/24/2000:

> This kind of think came up this time last year, and though the
> discussion on how to transliterate Russian names was interesting, I
> couldn't find a solution in the archives. So here I am.

And now I want to post my solution for the benefit of anyone else who
runs across it:

I erased my hard drive a month or so ago; it's something I do
periodically to make Windows loose some weight (usually 50% if it's a
six-months old installation. I try out a lot of software).

After I did this, of course, I re-installed my apps (Including
TheBat!) and filled in the mail base from another copy.

When I set up the bat I did point it, as always, to my proper keyrings
and randseed file.

Alas, I forgot to check the box that indicates that I'm using version
6. SO, it was trying to use the version 6 keyrings according to the
"internal" method. Neither the public nor the private keyring
contained anything it could recognize---and all signatures came up as
invalid.

Moral of the story: check all your settings carefully when you
discover a "bug!"

Tony

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PGP signature verification: always get "invalid signature format"

[Tony A. T. Mendina]

This kind of think came up this time last year, and though the
discussion on how to transliterate Russian names was interesting, I
couldn't find a solution in the archives. So here I am.

Whenever I try to validate a signature using The Bat!, the PGP
signature validation log pops up and tells me that the signature is
invalid, and the signer is "unknown," because of "(unknown signature
format)".

I assume I've got something set up wrong, but I've tried pgp 5.5, 6.5.8,
no pgp installed, and versions of The Bat! 1.42 thru 1.47. Reboots
don't help. Both the Bat! PGP plugin dlls and the pgp dlls that come
with 6.5.8 are in the windows/system directory, which is of course in
the system path. The bat's pgp plugin dlls are also found in The Bat's
program directory.

Any suggestions? Is there something obvious I've missed?

Thanks,
Tony


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Filtering HASH and VERSION in PGP-Signature

[Alexander Schaubeck]

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Hello !

I have seen some PGP signed mails in which the lines "HASH:" and
"Version:" were missing. They were send using TB.
I was searching for an option which automatically deletes the
"Version" line, but I can't find anything.
(The sender of the mails didn't answer on my question, if he
deletes the lines manually or automatically :-((

Is there any option in TB ?? Has anybody a hint for me ;-)) ?

Thanks,
Alex.
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