Re: Newbie Again: Layout Question
Hello Keith, On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 19:37:39 -0700 GMT (22-Feb-21, 9:37 +0700 GMT), Keith Russell wrote: > I decided to give The Bat! a try again after a LONG break. > I've looked around, but haven't seen an answer to this question. Please tell > me where I can find it. > How can I change the screen layout? I don't want the message list at the left > of the viewer pane; I prefer it to be on top. Welcome back. Try Workspace / Windows Split Mode in the main menu. It gives you several options. Is that what you mean? -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! Version 9.3.3 (64-bit) under Windows 10.0 Build 19041 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie Again: Layout Question
Hello Keith, Sunday, February 21, 2021, 6:37:39 PM, you wrote: > Hi everyone, > I decided to give The Bat! a try again after a LONG break. > I've looked around, but haven't seen an answer to this question. Please tell > me where I can find it. > How can I change the screen layout? I don't want the message list at the left > of the viewer pane; I prefer it to be on top. > Thanks for your help, > Keith Russell Workspace - Window Split Mode Lore Galore -- The Bat! E-Mail Client by Ritlabs v9.3.3 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie
Hello Tony! On Friday, November 19, 2004, 9:03 AM, you wrote: TB I'm new to this list so I thought I'd introduce myself. My names TB Tony and I hope I'm in the right place to learn about using TB Outlook Express. Tony, you are a complete nut! OE indeed! But welcome aboard! TB I look forward to reading all the tips you have. What do you need tips about? -- Best regards, Mary (PCWize Smiley Smileys Administrator) http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/PCWSmileys.php The Bat! 3.0.2.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Mary, A reminder of what Mary Bull on TBUDL typed on: 19 November 2004 at 09:21:21 GMT -0600 What do you need tips about? Nothing as yet but I heard there was a gmail discussion on here so I paid my subscription fee and here I am :) - -- Best regards,Tony. _ Message composed on 19/11/2004 at 15:33 UTC 2004 - AWB Using The Bat! v3.0.2.7 on Windows XP 5. 1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.5 Turbo Diesel Injection Land Rover Defender 110 iQA/AwUBQZ4SjNanuJ+T+uXWEQI96QCcDFjLviW+PKvxVATSD3Y6z5l+olEAoPQr /9EBz/14QXEfPj+gKZQCYKKh =0WTt -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Fri, 19 Nov 2004, @ @ at 15:03:55 +, when Tony Boom wrote: Hello TBUDL, I'm new to this list so I thought I'd introduce myself. My names Tony and I hope I'm in the right place to learn about using Outlook Express. I look forward to reading all the tips you have. Hi Tony, we are nuts too. (: Tip No 1: It's not curable but we always may pretend. - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast :bearhug: [Earth LOG: 79 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OS: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1 UMSDOS Linux, and with Bochs 2.1.1 with a small DLX Linux; and, for TB sometimes Libranet (Linux) 2.8.1, via Cross Over Office -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBnhKA9q62QPd3XuIRAupxAJ45wZGUhwO8wnWtnD6fIVOl3QnhngCgiYe8 +JHysO2mtA4GWygO32Fp+Ok= =jZtH -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Mica, A reminder of what Mica Mijatovic on TBUDL typed on: 19 November 2004 at 16:34:25 GMT +0100 Hi Tony, we are nuts too. (: Tip No 1: It's not curable but we always may pretend. I don't want to be cured. As the saying goes, Nuts have more fun or is that blonds? Either way, I'm both :) - -- Best regards,Tony. _ Message composed on 19/11/2004 at 16:38 UTC 2004 - AWB Using The Bat! v3.0.2.7 on Windows XP 5. 1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.5 Turbo Diesel Injection Land Rover Defender 110 iQA/AwUBQZ4h1NanuJ+T+uXWEQKngACeO4XwFUEYXsrUDyy4RTWLYzJv6CYAoO/B Gao+w3Te2OX10P+I01KNP+Xx =Hd28 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie ......again
On Monday, July 19, 2004, 2:55:41 AM, Darrin wrote in message: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] D I once used tbat about 2 years ago. Well, Im back for another round. D Im going to be monitoring this board and try to pick up on anything D thats talked about so I can learn. If there are any tips you may have D or sites that have a lot of helpful information, please pass it on to D me. Ill try to absorb anything I can right now. The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com -- Cheers, Anne Registered Linux user #345132 Flying high with The Bat! 2.12.00 on Windows 98 4 10 A Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie ......again
Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:38:38 -0700 (11:38 PM EDT here) Darrin Rich wrote: Hello Dan, Sunday, July 18, 2004, 8:12:10 PM, you wrote snip It will help keep me from asking dumb questions There are no dumb questions. Using: The Bat! v2.12.00, BayesIt! 0.5.5, MyMacros 1.10 Windows 2000 v5.0 - Build 2195 - Service Pack 4 -- Daniel A. Grunberg Kensington, Maryland, USA homepage: www.nyx.net/~dgrunber/ Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie ......again
Sun, 18 Jul 2004 18:55:41 -0700 (9:55 PM EDT here) Darrin wrote: If there are any tips you may have or sites that have a lot of helpful information, please pass it on to me. Ill try to absorb anything I can right now. Thanks. The Bat FAQ: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBFAQ.html The Bat! Macro and Solutions Library: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Library.html MyMacros 1.10 Home page: http://en.barin.com.ua/soft/mymacros/ Using: The Bat! v2.12.00, BayesIt! 0.5.5, MyMacros 1.10 Windows 2000 v5.0 - Build 2195 - Service Pack 4 -- Daniel A. Grunberg Kensington, Maryland, USA homepage: www.nyx.net/~dgrunber/ Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie seeking advice :-)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Tony, On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 07:19:18 +0200 (1:19 AM here), Tony [T] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: KC I have the current version available for download on a web page. KC Special thanks to Peter Meyns for helping with the HTML code. T Can you please post the URL? http://tinyurl.com/2ag9u T All works fine now but not for messages I receive from a gnupg T generated message. PGP wants to save the messages as a file. I don't think that I've run across that problem. Check the guide and the settings I mentioned should get things working if you're using v2.x newer of The Bat!. - -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v2.12 Beta/1 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1 (see kludges for my pgp key) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFA0oUpvZSrVDqOXK0RAmymAKDoC0QQNACzYtfpaHJb8YHUWHWHIACghJm3 WMEjG++qfBgVhztjopkFMX8= =v3O8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie seeking advice :-)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Tony, On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:33:48 +0200 (1:33 PM here), Tony [T] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: KC http://tinyurl.com/2ag9u KC Check the guide and the settings I mentioned should get things KC working if you're using v2.x newer of The Bat!. T Thanks for the URL Kevin. The settings you recommended where the T same as mine. So that's not the problem I think. What options do you enabled in PGP? T I just checked your signature. PGP fetched the key from a key T server and then verified your message as valid. TB! also reports T this. All at just pressing the check signature in TB! v2.11 So I T think that shows PGP communicates properly with TB! I guess that's good and bad news. The good news is PGP and The Bat! seem to be working. The bad news is I never uploaded my key to the key server. Apparently someone else did. :( T Are you using PGP or GnuPG? I use GnuPG. T BTW (mod) can we continue discussing this here or does it belong on T the off-topic list? I'm not sure but we could move it to TBOT to be safe. Feel free to contact me off list as well. - -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v2.12 Beta/1 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1 (see kludges for my pgp key) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFA015evZSrVDqOXK0RAnjaAKDTYvLWW2s2UJk4NfJ6kAyjmXHf9ACgz1I/ yquK73fH/pobYOfZJqNnPXk= =Qb1e -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie seeking advice :-)
Hi Tony, On Monday, June 14, 2004, at 9:52:01 AM PST, you wrote: Thanks for the link. No plugins for PGP v8.x So I installed PGP 6.5.x :) Oops! Not a good idea! Firstly, since TB has built-in *integration* with PGP v8.x, there's no need for a plug-in. :-) Secondly, PGP v6.5.8 does not have some of the vulnerability fixes that are included in v8.x, so unless there's a really good reason why you can't use v8.x, it's usually best to use the latest version. With a program like PGP, deciding whether or not to use the latest version is not just about features...it's often about having the latest security fixes as well. -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys TB! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgpI8Wi7AMhll.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie seeking advice :-)
Hi Tony, On Monday, June 14, 2004, at 11:49:09 AM PST, you wrote: Unfortunately that integration doesn't work. Or maybe I should say I can't get it to work. That is peculiar, as it does work as expected here. Encrypting/signing/decryption all work. When I decrypt PGP wants to save to file. Real integration would be that it replaces the encrypted text with the plain text. Without loosing quotes/formatting etc. As I just said above, PGP v8 integration does work as expected here. I have no idea why it's asking you to save to file. Are you trying to use the PGP options from PGPtray when you're using TB!? Or are you actually using the integration? There is a difference in how these work. BTW as long as it works and handles modern ciphers it doesn't matter if it's PGP/OpenPGP/GPG/... I use both PGP and GnuPG on my computer. Let's get one thing sorted out here. *Both* PGP and GnuPG are based on the standard called OpenPGP (and so is Hushmail...with Phil Zimmermann's help). OpenPGP is not any sort of separate application beyond PGP and GnuPG...it's merely the standard both are based upon. I wrote: MR With a program like PGP, deciding whether or not to use the latest MR version is not just about features...it's often about having the MR latest security fixes as well. Then you replied: Tell that on alt.security.pgp :-) Many there will not agree with you. And many others there will agree with me. :-) I haven't had much time lately to visit alt.security.pgp, but I've been a regular there for several years. There are indeed those who will continue to prefer the old 2.x versions, and again, those who mistrust any version after Phil Zimmermann left NAI (then NAI subsequently sold PGP to PGP Corporation), but I feel differently about these issues; as do several other experienced PGP/GnuPG users (including many regular participants at alt.security.pgp). Most end-users of PGP are not capable of evaluating the source code of PGP, so they still have to trust someone...or at least trust the idea that if the source code is available for peer review, someone is out there pouring over it, and will let the rest of us know if/when they find any problems (vulnerabilities, backdoors, etc.). The people who formed the new PGP Corporation are actually the more trustworthy of the former NAI employees who worked on PGP. I've corresponded over the years with Phil Zimmermann and a few of the current PGP Corporation people (while they were at NAI, and also after they formed PGP Corporation) enough to feel I can trust in their intentions with regards to PGP's trustworthiness. For someone like myself, who couldn't tell the difference between a backdoor and a bathtub if I were to look at the source code, I need to find other ways to trust the code; and I feel I've done all I can to assure myself that it's okay for me to use. If we want to continue this aspect of the discussion, perhaps we should move it to TBOT before the fish start flying. :-) -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys TB! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgpuvPYAXC6ee.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie seeking advice :-)
Hi Tony, On Monday, June 14, 2004, at 12:54:29 PM PST, you wrote: I just 'ask' TB! to decrypt. Probably some setting but I have no idea where to look. Any settings I should look for specifically? I'm going to have to get back to you on this, because I need to go out and run some errands soon. As far as I know, I haven't had to make any peculiar tweaks to the integration to get it working as it is for me, but I'll come back tonight and look at my settings to see if I can find anything helpful. I want to get v8 working because of PGPdisk I use PGPdisk as well, and it's definitely one of the reasons I'm not just using GnuPG exclusively on this machine. MR If we want to continue this aspect of the discussion, perhaps we MR should move it to TBOT before the fish start flying. :-) Is that a separate list? Yes. It's the The Bat! Off Topic list. Here's the direct subscription mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys TB! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0AyoMh7Bxw.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie seeking advice :-)
Tony, [T] wrote: I just 'ask' TB! to decrypt. Probably some setting but I have no idea where to look. Any settings I should look for specifically? Have you enabled the integration? Tools//OpenPGP//Choose OpenPGP Version? -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.04 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpFHP47Hz2Wm.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie seeking advice :-)
Hi Tony, On Monday, June 14, 2004, at 12:54:29 PM PST, you wrote: Any settings I should look for specifically? Allie's suggestion is, of course, the first essential setting to enable. After that, you can either use the PGP related macros in templates (for customizing how PGP deals with certain recipients by default), and/or use the Privacy menu options on-the-fly from the message editor. Aside from these basic options and settings, I couldn't find any unusual tweaks I had to perform in order to get the PGP integration working well here. Kevin Coates wrote up very detailed guide to using the TB/PGP integration. I do have a copy of it in my files, so if you want it, I can send it along via private email. -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys TB! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgpAZ2rY5JhXc.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie seeking advice :-)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Melissa, On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:20:02 -0700 (10:20 PM here), Melissa Reese [MR] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: MR Kevin Coates wrote up very detailed guide to using the TB/PGP MR integration. I do have a copy of it in my files, so if you want MR it, I can send it along via private email. I have the current version available for download on a web page. Special thanks to Peter Meyns for helping with the HTML code. - -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v2.11.03 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1 (see kludges for my pgp key) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFAzmCTvZSrVDqOXK0RAo8VAKDPTTMLgfZ+9yCO5gUrrXijnRYhPgCgtDo2 amQ17KQhPmlStLLeY3EPU9k= =qhda -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie seeking advice :-)
On Sunday, June 13, 2004, 1:22 AM, you wrote: - plug ins TF You could ask here: TF http://www.ritlabs.com/kb/category.php?id=6 TF or in the archives. I think I saw a post somewhere recently that give TF a URL on the Ritlabs site that shows a list of pug-ins and where they TF can be downloaded. Cannot find that post any more. the ritlabs download page has all the TB plugins for PGP and dictionaries, and the international pack here: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/download.php -- Paul Using The Bat! v2.11.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Apr2004 (4.1.412) (avast! version number) 0424-3 (11.06.2004) (avast! DB version number) 4.1.412 (avast! plugin version number) Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie seeking advice :-)
Hello Tony, On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:20:34 +0200 GMT (12/06/2004, 20:20 +0700 GMT), Tony wrote: Welcome. T --- Filtering --- T I can only filter on simple things like sender. But TB! site T mentions it's filtering as one of it's key strengths. T So obviously I'm overlooking ways to filter on any part of the full header. I hope :P Go to Acount / Sorting Office. Click on Incoming. Create New. You should now have access to the full power. Ask if anything is unclear. T --- Newsgroups --- T In an old FAQ (pdf file) there is an interview with one of the TB! programmers. T A Newsgroup plug in is mentioned in that interview. But on the T site no info can be found about it. T Please enlight me! :D Ritlabs didn't create a plugin, but there is one I use: http://en.barin.com.ua/soft/mygate/ T --- Misc --- T Are there any newbie sites with things like: T - plug ins T - scripts T - templates T - What you don't find in the help file, you'll find in the archives for this list (see footer), or just ask. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. When a clock is hungry, it goes back four seconds. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie seeking advice :-)
Hello Tony, On Saturday, June 12, 2004, at 15:20, you wrote: T When I decrypt a message I wants to save a file. T I only need security while transfering the email so I want a decrypted version in my Inbox. T So that I can reply to it etc. Early versions of The Bat! acted just like this -- during decryption, decrypted version of message was created. Then user could choose either delete encrypted message and keep decrypted or read decrypted message and delete it leaving encrypted message. Unfortunately now The Bat! just shows decrypted message in a window and when you close the window -- decrypted message is done. That's very inconvenient in my point of view, especially because The Bat! does not automatically decrypt messages in preview pane and it's not possible to perform search on encrypted messages... I really liked that old behaviour It would be grate that it would be re-introduced in future versions. -- Edvinas Using The Bat! 2.11.02 on Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie seeking advice :-)
Hi Tony, on Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:33:31 +0200GMT, you wrote: [store decrypted messages] EM I really liked that old behaviour It would be grate that it would be EM re-introduced in future versions. T I vote yes for that too! You can actually do this in Ritlabs' bugtracker/wishlist: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0002168 -- Cheers Peter And always remember that it's bad style to start a sentence with a conjunction! Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie seeking advice :-)
Tony, [T] wrote: I'm a long time Forte Agent user that's looking for a client that didn't stop development 5 years ago... I used Forte' Agent prior to using TB! myself. I've been looking through some FAQs but I couldn't find the (complete) answers there. Partly because I have the impression the FAQ is for v1.x and the v2.x interface is very diffrent. There's more there that is pertinent to your questions than you would think. :) I have a fully working copy of PGP v8 installed. When I decrypt a message I wants to save a file. I only need security while transfering the email so I want a decrypted version in my Inbox. So that I can reply to it etc. You can reply to the decrypted version that shows in another tab upon doing the decryption. Are you using the PGP v8 integration. However, you cannot save the decrypted version. An unfortunate loss of functionality there. --- Filtering --- I can only filter on simple things like sender. But TB! site mentions it's filtering as one of it's key strengths. So obviously I'm overlooking ways to filter on any part of the full header. I hope :P It would seem that you're using only the fast creation of filters feature. If you open the filters panel by hitting Shift+CTRL+S, you'll now have the full-blown panel with all filtering features at your disposal. It's indeed very powerful. In an old FAQ (pdf file) there is an interview with one of the TB! programmers. A Newsgroup plug in is mentioned in that interview. But on the site no info can be found about it. Please enlight me! :D I don't know if they have this planned for anytime soon, but then there's then, as Thomas says, there's MyGate. --- Misc --- Are there any newbie sites with things like: - plug ins There's no formal collection that I know of. - scripts - templates There's the template repository. http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Library.html Be sure to read the tbudlinfo web pages. A lot of important and useful information is there. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.04 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpLdjnrIeYme.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here :)
Hello Robin, Monday, January 26, 2004, 10:29:58 PM, you wrote: RH I just downloaded The Bat! tonite, and am figuring it out. I am RH sure I will have questions as they come to me. Welcome... Glad to have you on the list. I'm sure you'll enjoy your stay... RH I look forward to learning more about this client! Lot's to learn, but there are lot's of people here who are more than happy to help... For future reference, please use a cut line above your name (see mine below). It consists of a dash dash space -- . the space afterwards is very important. What it does is when someone replies, TB automatically cuts off anything below the cut line so it isn't included in the reply. Try replying to this message and you'll see everything below this disappear. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.03.47 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hello David,
A reminder of what David Pascoe typed on:
05 November 2003 at 07:47:21 GMT +0800
DP The VPN dialup adapter sends all traffic into my work site so TB!
DP cannot poll for mail for long periods.
Why not just turn off auto checking and do it manually when it's
convenient?
--
Best regards,Tony.
Using The Bat! v2.01.26 ©2ØØ3 - AWB
Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information:
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Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hi Antje, @6-Nov-2003, 13:32 +0100 (06-Nov 12:32 UK time) Antje Lehmann [AL] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: Options | Network Administration | No automatic dial for periodical mail checking. AL And with this activated, what happens when mails are checked? Using automatic periodical checking, nothing happens *unless* you happen to be connected to the Internet at that moment. This is the best setting for opportunistic mail fetch. Using manual checking, TB connects, checks mail and (if enabled to do so) disconnects. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v2.01.28 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hello Marck, On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 01:06:06 + GMT (06/11/2003, 08:06 +0700 GMT), Marck D Pearlstone wrote: BD Is there a way to read messages in an off-line mode? Options | Network Administration | No automatic dial for periodical mail checking. This option is not available when you are on a LAN/Ethernet connection, only for DUN. David does not use DUN, if I understand correctly. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Ladies, don't forget the rummage sale. It is a good chance to get rid of those things not worth keeping around the house. Bring your husbands. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.01.7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hi Thomas, @6-Nov-2003, 22:37 +0700 (06-Nov 15:37 UK time) Thomas Fernandez said to Marck: Options | Network Administration | No automatic dial for periodical mail checking. This option is not available when you are on a LAN/Ethernet connection, only for DUN. David does not use DUN, if I understand correctly. Erm - then what's the problem. Either 1) the connection is permanent and the checking frequency is immaterial and there is no problem to start with or 2) the checking is forcing an unwanted connection in which case the solution is what I said. And who is David? -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v2.01.28 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hello Marck, On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:22:41 + GMT (06/11/2003, 23:22 +0700 GMT), Marck D Pearlstone wrote: Either 1) the connection is permanent and the checking frequency is immaterial and there is no problem to start with or 2) the checking is forcing an unwanted connection in which case the solution is what I said. I don't know why Bo (the original poster) needs this. And who is David? Well. I thought he was the OP, but I only went back to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] to check where this thread started. My bad! -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Um zu antworten, bitte die From-Zeile mit ROT13 bearbeiten. Danach mit MD5 hashen, zeichenweise den ASCII-Code um 2 erhoehen (mod 57) und erneut um 63 erhoehen. Dann mit der urspruenglichen Adresse x-oren. Schliesslich am Ergebnis erfreuen und so antworten wie gewohnt. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.01.7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hello Melissa,
A reminder of what Melissa Reese typed on:
05 November 2003 at 11:29:09 GMT -0800
MR This is something I'd really like to see as well. I have a cable
MR connection that is always on,
I can't believe your moaning about an always on connection. I've had
BB for over a year now and wouldn't be without it. I know plenty of
people who would love a BB connection.
MR I've not found a convenient way to pause all TB! polling,
There is a very simple method that I use when I want to stop The Bat!
interfering with other things I do.
MR but a one-click (and/or keyboard shortcut) solution would be
MR really nice for this.
And there is a simple One Click solution that stops TB! polling and
a simple One Click Solution that starts it polling again.
Little red cross, top right hand of the title bar. One click shuts TB!
down. Little yellow and black icon on the desktop, one click restarts
TB! again.
You may need a double click to re-start it but my PC is set up for single
clicks.
It sounds exactly like the feature your asking for and believe it or
not it does exactly what your asking it to do.
I know your talking about being able to suspend TB's on line activity
without actually shutting it down but what's the difference?
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Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hello Marck,
A reminder of what Marck D Pearlstone typed on:
06 November 2003 at 16:22:41 GMT +
MDP And who is David?
Little bloke, likes throwing stones at people.
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Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hi Marck, On Thursday, November 06, 2003, at 8:22:41 AM PST, you wrote: Either 1) the connection is permanent and the checking frequency is immaterial and there is no problem to start with ... Here are some of *my* concerns... I have a cable (ethernet) connection, and by default, it's always on...24/7/365. If, for any reason, I want to work offline with TB!, I have three choices (plus a fourth not-by-choice situation): 1) Go to each account (10 of them), one at a time, and manually disable periodic mail polling (then, when I want to go back to online mode, I have to go back and reverse the the process for all 10 accounts individually. 2) Stop *all* traffic with my firewall (including live chess servers, web browser, news client, etc. This can be inconvenient if TB! is the only application I want to deal with offline for the moment. 3) Unplug the cable (same effect/inconvenience of the firewall solution. 4) This last one is more frequent here in Winter, but can happen at any time. My ISP may have a problem, and my connection(s) are cut off for a period of time (I also have a backup dial-up, in case something happens with the cable, and at times, both of these will not work). Here again, I'm faced with either frequent annoying beeps, or I have to go through each account and disable/enable periodic checking. Solution 1 is not very elegant, nor are 2 and 3 for their own reasons. Finally, since I don't really want to disable entirely the error beep sound system wide, every five minutes or so I'm treated to a staggered series of 10 such annoying error beeps. The primary reasons I may want to work offline with TB! for a bit is either when I'm making a TB! backup or if I'm playing with/changing some settings that might be affected by connection issues. Since I don't know exactly what to expect if new email is downloading while the backup is in progress, I prefer to simply be offline during this procedure. This way, I know exactly where the cut-off line is between the backup and when I begin to receive new mail again. It seems to me a perfectly reasonable solution - for both DUN users who might pay for their connections by the hour or for ethernet users with a particular reason for wanting an offline option, to have a simple on/off toggle switch for the periodic mail polling. -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys TB! v2.01.3 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hello Thomas, This option is not available when you are on a LAN/Ethernet connection, only for DUN. David does not use DUN, if I understand correctly. If David does not use DUN, then that is a way to disable or set off-line. Change from LAN/Ethernet to DUN and have No automatic dial for periodical mail checking already selected. Then, to go back on-line, change from DUN back to LAN. I haven't tested it but should work. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hi Melissa, @6-Nov-2003, 09:08 -0800 (06-Nov 17:08 UK time) Melissa Reese said to Marck: Either 1) the connection is permanent and the checking frequency is immaterial and there is no problem to start with ... Here are some of *my* concerns... I have a cable (ethernet) connection, and by default, it's always on...24/7/365. If, for any reason, I want to work offline with TB!, I have three choices (plus a fourth not-by-choice situation): ... snip and a fifth: 5) Fool TB by temporarily switching your Network admin settings to DUN with the option I mentioned earlier checked. Maybe set up a dummy DUN configuration to deal with this. Then you can go on and offline by just switching between DUN and direct. I have a LAN connection here and my Periodical checking is at one minute. I've switched to DUN temporarily and it is now 5 minutes since the last check. This will do the job perfectly well. Okay, it's a workaround, but it's a goodie! ;-). -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v2.01.28 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hello mm,
A reminder of what mm Meister typed on:
06 November 2003 at 12:05:07 GMT -0500
mM How come yours is red? Mine is black x on gray background.
Somewhere on your monitor you should have a control to increase the
colour saturation :)
In fact mine's not a red cross, it's a white cross on a red
background.
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Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hi Tony, On Thursday, November 06, 2003, at 8:51:12 AM PST, you wrote: I can't believe your moaning about an always on connection. Was I moaning about my BB connection? Or was I saying that I felt there could/should be a way to easily toggle online/offline...without either tedious account by account settings changes or clumsy work arounds? And there is a simple One Click solution that stops TB! polling and a simple One Click Solution that starts it polling again. Little red cross, top right hand of the title bar. One click shuts TB! down. Little yellow and black icon on the desktop, one click restarts TB! again. That seems a rather flippant remark considering that some of us may find a use for working *with* TB! while in an offline mode. I've already described my reasons for doing so in other messages. In any event, why not offer us a simple toggle switch? (without the need for the still rather clumsy work around switching between DUN and LAN mode as described by others here)? Even when I used Calypso for a short while a few years ago, there was an easy pause all accounts option for stopping periodic polling. Even that abomination OE has such a work offline switch. Why shouldn't TB! offer such a simple and convenient option? -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys TB! v2.01.3 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hello Melissa,
A reminder of what Melissa Reese typed on:
06 November 2003 at 10:18:58 GMT -0800
MR That seems a rather flippant remark considering that some of us may
MR find a use for working *with* TB! while in an offline mode.
Well it wasn't meant to be. I just find it strange that someone with
an Always on connection would want to turn it off. I've had an
always on connection for over a year, TB! is always running and wether
I'm reading, writing or just browsing through my mail, auto mail
collection doesn't get in that way. All that happens is the ticker
appears top of the screen.
If it does get in the way of other activities I just close TB! down.
For example if I'm grabbing digital video, auto mail collection can
cause lost frames for the split second it takes to collect the mail.
MR In any event, why not offer us a simple toggle switch?
Maybe they're thinking the way I am. I see no reason whatsoever to
suspend auto mail collection unless it gets in the way of another
application. There is no cost issue with BB. If you have no programs
at all running it is still on If it does get in the way, just close
it. If your working with TB! then auto mail polling can be made
completely transparent other than new unread mail appearing every now
and again. It needn't interrupt what your doing at the time.
I believe you mentioned making backups? How hard is it to make your
backup in between mail collection times? I personally don't use the in
built backup facility. I use Januks .bat file to back the registry up
and Winrar to zip the whole folder up... And I have to shut TB! down
to do that. Takes a minute at most and my auto times are 5 minutes
apart. TB! doesn't even know it's been done :)
With a dial up you pay by the minute and so the ability to auto
disconnect makes financial sense. With BB, you pay a fixed price per
month wether you use it or not.
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Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hello Melissa, Even that abomination OE has such a work offline switch. Why shouldn't TB! offer such a simple and convenient option? I fully agree. It shouldn't be that difficult to include. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hello Melissa Thank you for your email dated Thursday, November 6, 2003, 5:08:45 PM, in which you wrote: MR 2) Stop *all* traffic with my firewall (including live chess servers, MRweb browser, news client, etc. Do you not have the option to block by application? -- Regards William http://www.residues.info and http://www.magiric.com Flying with The Bat! www.ritlabs.com/the_bat Windows 2000 Pro 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hi William, On Thursday, November 06, 2003, at 11:27:14 AM PST, you wrote: Do you not have the option to block by application? Even if I do, this would not alleviate annoyance caused by 10 error beeps every five minutes when TB! insists on polling...regardless of whether or not I've stopped traffic only to it. :-) -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys TB! v2.01.3 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hello Melissa Thank you for your email dated Thursday, November 6, 2003, 7:35:43 PM, in which you wrote: MR Even if I do, this would not alleviate annoyance caused by 10 error MR beeps every five minutes when TB! insists on polling I'd have thought with your background you would have turned those beeps into a tune by now :-) -- Regards William http://www.residues.info and http://www.magiric.com Flying with The Bat! www.ritlabs.com/the_bat Windows 2000 Pro 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
On Thursday, November 6, 2003, 6:47:03 PM, Tony Boom wrote: Maybe they're thinking the way I am. I see no reason whatsoever to suspend auto mail collection unless it gets in the way of another application. There is no cost issue with BB. If you have no programs at all running it is still on If it does get in the way, just close it. If your working with TB! then auto mail polling can be made completely transparent other than new unread mail appearing every now and again. It needn't interrupt what your doing at the time. Maybe NTL's mail servers are more reliable than Pipex's bit short mail outages, but mail server outages, or even my ADSL connection going offline for a few minutes are some of the reasons I would like to be able to suspend mail collection for a while. It is very irritating when TB! dings (or whatever your error sound is) every few minutes when there is a problem with mail collection. I may still be working on my mail, so I don't want to close TB!, I just want it to stop trying to collect mail for a while! Julian -- Using The Bat! v2.01.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hello Julian,
A reminder of what Julian Beach (Lists) typed on:
06 November 2003 at 20:07:21 GMT +
JBL Maybe NTL's mail servers are more reliable than Pipex's
I can honestly say in the past year I've had no trouble at all with
NTL for any reason. It used to take about 10 to 15 minutes to obtain a
an IP via DHCP first thing in the morning. Chap on the phone said
don't unplug the modem at bed time. I've had no trouble since.
JBL It is very irritating when TB! dings (or whatever your error sound is)
JBL every few minutes when there is a problem with mail collection.
Just turn the sounds off. As far as I know, no error boxes pop up
(I've never seen one but I don't use Pipex :) just the odd entry in
the log.
Like I said before, I carry on using TB! regardless. The most that
happens here is I get new unread mail appearing. It's just happened
while I'm writing this but it's in the background and didn't interfere
with what I was doing in any way.
Maybe a change of ISP with a more reliable mail server would help in
cutting down on the errors. I personally don't think it's a Bat issue
but then, maybe I use mine different to you.
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Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
On Friday, 7 November 2003, at 23:35:56 [GMT +0700] you wrote:TF Hello Marck, TF On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:22:41 + GMT (06/11/2003, 23:22 +0700 GMT), TF Marck D Pearlstone wrote: Either 1) the connection is permanent and the checking frequency is immaterial and there is no problem to start with or 2) the checking is forcing an unwanted connection in which case the solution is what I said. TF I don't know why Bo (the original poster) needs this. And who is David? I assume me ! The reason is that when I load my VPN layer, I can no longer see any of the net, only the remote office network. I disconnect the VPN layer to get the internet back again. I need to connect via the VPN to see my work email (Outlook only :( and work servers. I will toggle on and off many time during a day. The idea of Outlook Express's Offline-Mode appeals to me. TF Well. I thought he was the OP, but I only went back to TF mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] to check where this thread started. TF My bad! Not this thread exactly, but I did pitch in when I saw it starting again. I did try to get answer recently though, posting mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] but didn't get anything helpful. I just realised I missed a `not' in my original email, which changes the meaning of my question quite a lot... cheers, davidp. -- David Pascoe, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Western Australia Using The Bat! v2.01.26 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hi Bo, On Wednesday, November 05, 2003, at 11:13:42 AM PST, you wrote: I have not found a simple way of going off-line yet. This is something I'd really like to see as well. I have a cable connection that is always on, and I have to stop *all* traffic via my firewall or unplug the cable (with these though, TB! still tries to check...giving me those annoying unsuccessful beeps). I've not found a convenient way to pause all TB! polling, but a one-click (and/or keyboard shortcut) solution would be really nice for this. I would especially appreciate something like this for when I'm performing a backup (Tools/Backup...). By the way...what *does* happen if new mail is downloading while I'm making a backup? -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys TB! v2.01.3 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hi, Bo Dirigo wrote: Hello TBUDL, Is there a way to read messages in an off-line mode? I have approx. 6-7 accounts set-up which downloads their respective messages at various times. I, too, cannot think of a solution to this problem, however I would recommend that you have all your accounts checked within the same time interval. This should at least prevent the connection center from popping up every now and then, but only after the amount of time you specified. Then you could maybe specify a rather large interval for each account, say an hour or so, and you will know exactly how much time you have got for reading your messages in peace. If you want to check for new messages before the hour has passed, you can still press Alt-F2, right? Sorry I can't be of more help, but this is how I handled it in the past when I didn't have DSL cable yet. Antje Using The Bat! v2.01 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- | Antje Lehmann | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hi Bo, On Wednesday, November 05, 2003, at 12:21:52 PM PST, you wrote: I checked my settings ... seemed to be OK ... except I had to switch to use MicroEd ... hope that does the trick! Your wrapped lines look good here now. :-) -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys TB! v2.01.3 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hi Bo,
On Wednesday, November 05, 2003, at 12:53:53 PM PST, you wrote:
...you by any chance taking classes up on the hill there in
Valencia? Cal Institute of the Arts?
I'm an alumna of CalArts ('78-'82). The school gave me a couple of
email addresses for life to use as I please, so I continue to use
them as I please. :-)
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Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hello, Wednesday, November 5, 2003, 9:29:09 PM, you wrote: MR (with these though, TB! still tries to MR check...giving me those annoying unsuccessful beeps) These beeps can be disabled in options, but it will turn off all error beeps of course. MR I've not found MR a convenient way to pause all TB! polling, but a one-click (and/or MR keyboard shortcut) solution would be really nice for this. An offline mode would be nice. -- Best regards, Zeynelmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.01 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
On Thursday, 6 November 2003, at 23:21:49 [GMT +0200] you wrote:ZAÖ Hello, ZAÖ Wednesday, November 5, 2003, 9:29:09 PM, you wrote: ZAÖ These beeps can be disabled in options, but it will turn off all error ZAÖ beeps of course. MR I've not found MR a convenient way to pause all TB! polling, but a one-click (and/or MR keyboard shortcut) solution would be really nice for this. ZAÖ An offline mode would be nice. seconded. My only solution so far is to turn off the connection dialogue and turn off all beeps. My problem is magnified by using a VPN to login to my work site - which I do many times during the day. The VPN dialup adapter sends all traffic into my work site so TB! cannot poll for mail for long periods. cheers, davidp. -- David Pascoe, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Western Australia Using The Bat! v2.01.26 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
Hi Bo, @5-Nov-2003, 14:13 -0500 (05-Nov 19:13 UK time) Bo Dirigo [BD] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to TBUDL: BD Is there a way to read messages in an off-line mode? Yes. Options | Network Administration | No automatic dial for periodical mail checking. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v2.01.28 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie here ... how does one read messages in an off-line mode?
On Thursday, 6 November 2003, at 06:13:21 [GMT +0500] you wrote:RHS Melissa, RHS Thursday, November 6, 2003, 12:29:09 AM, you wrote: I have not found a simple way of going off-line yet. RHS I don't know what I've done differently, but I've set mine to RHS send/receive at 10 minute intervals, and it only does it when I'm RHS actually connected (through my dialup). I also have it set for RHS deferred delivery and combined send/receive in the transport settings. RHS I've haven't had the problem to which you refer since one of the RHS earlier 1.6 versions. (I now use v.2.) this is fine for dialup where TB! can sense whether there is an active DUN connection. For my ADSL connection, I use ethernet to talk to the modem so the ethernet link is always up. Sometimes I don't want TB! to check email, and the only way for it to know would be for me to tell it. A nice keyboard shortcut, and an icon showing offline/online for all accounts in one hit would be v. nice. cheers, davidp. -- David Pascoe, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Western Australia Using The Bat! v2.01.26 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: newbie here, 3 questions
Hello drifthat, On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:22:25 +0800 GMT (16/09/2003, 22:22 +0700 GMT), drifthat wrote: Big5 is displayed fine over here, except for the missing line breaks. Which encoding are you talking about, and what is your Windows version? It's true that, gb2312/big5 has been displayed well in plain text mode. But, there are still some flaw. To see the attachment, TB still dont display some character well. And I use the Plain Tex(windows) editor, it's unable to auto-wrap chinese characters. What's more, TB cannot handle korean characters. I don't know about Korean characters, but TB's lack of being able to wrap/reflow Chinese characters is a major drawback. Yuki also reports problems with Japanese. Full DBCS support has been promised for the near future. In html mode, TB add some square in the mail. Apparently, TB's html viewer isn't compatible with asian charset Squares usually appear over here when the font type does not support the character used. Try changing the font for the HTML viewer in Options / Preferences / Viewer / Viewer. The latter should say HTML Viewer instead of just Viewer, BTW. I haven't experienced problems, but that may be because I haven't experienced a power failure for a long time. Where are you located? I'm living in shanghai now. I see. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Die Streichhoelzer muessen gut versteckt werden, damit sie keine kleinen Kinder bekommen. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: newbie here, 3 questions
Hello drifthat, On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:07:09 +0800 GMT (15/09/2003, 23:07 +0700 GMT), drifthat wrote: 1. I've tried the TB v2.00.6, and found out that it doesn't support asian characters very well, especially in html email. If future version of TB can cope with asian language properly? Big5 is displayed fine over here, except for the missing line breaks. Which encoding are you talking about, and what is your Windows version? 2. I use Becky! v2.0 now. It store every 640k letters in a file. If one file is corruptted, it would not impact other files. And TB store all mails in one file(*.tbb). What I want to know is that, if I have 300M mails store in one .tbb file, can it keep the data intact while I got power failure during fetching mails or compressing the mailbox. I haven't experienced problems, but that may be because I haven't experienced a power failure for a long time. Where are you located? 3. I want to make a simplified chinese language pack for TB v2.0, but I don't know which tool is suitable. So I come here for some advice. The intpack used to contain some Chinese versions, but I have only an subset with European languages at the moment, so I don't know the current status. I think Max Masiutin [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the person you want to contact with your noble intentions. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I like to sing to the songs on the radio in my car. When you go into a tunnel, it's hard to come out on the right note. Actually, the news is more difficult. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie, need help using The Bat! Clueless
Hello Scrat, On Saturday, June 14, 2003 at 08:26:18 , you wrote: S And, can I use the HTML tags in that? S Patricia S Owner: http://groups.msn.com/PMcOuntrysCreationsPMcOuntry's Creations - S Tags by Request S Asst. Manager: http://groups.msn.com/SensualCreationsSensual Creations If you're referring to your signature above with the URLs you can eliminate the and leave it just as you wrote it. The links will work in most of your recipients' mail programs. Do put a signature delimiter before the signature. It is dash dash space enter. -- without quotes. In replies to your mail, everything below it will be removed, provided the repliers application recognizes it. -- Regards, Paddy L Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie, need help using The Bat! Clueless
I actually wanted it to be so you could click on PMcOuntry's Creations and that would be a direct link, so you didn't see the whole http://etc. Am I allowed to top post here or am I supposed to bottom post? Patricia At 11:33 PM 6/14/2003 -0700, you wrote: Hello Scrat, On Saturday, June 14, 2003 at 08:26:18 , you wrote: S And, can I use the HTML tags in that? S Patricia S Owner: http://groups.msn.com/PMcOuntrysCreationsPMcOuntry's Creations - S Tags by Request S Asst. Manager: http://groups.msn.com/SensualCreationsSensual Creations If you're referring to your signature above with the URLs you can eliminate the and leave it just as you wrote it. The links will work in most of your recipients' mail programs. Do put a signature delimiter before the signature. It is dash dash space enter. -- without quotes. In replies to your mail, everything below it will be removed, provided the repliers application recognizes it. -- Regards, Paddy L Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie, need help using The Bat! Clueless
Am Sonntag, 15. Juni 2003 16:45 schrieb Scrat: I actually wanted it to be so you could click on PMcOuntry's Creations and that would be a direct link, so you didn't see the whole http://etc. Hi Patricia, that could only be done in HTML, which is being tested in current beta versions of The Bat!. It is not yet available in the release version. Am I allowed to top post here or am I supposed to bottom post? Top posting and particularly full quotes are not well regarded on this list. It is better to just quote what you refer to. It makes messages much easier to follow... :-) -- Cheers Peter Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie, need help using The Bat! Clueless
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Scrat, [S] wrote: S Am I allowed to top post here or am I supposed to bottom post? moderator Top posting is actually against list rules. We encourage nested posting, i.e., put your comments below each part of the original text you're referring to. The majority of the active membership prefers this format. /moderator - -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on WinXP Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: My Public Keys - http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html iEYEARECAAYFAj7slTQACgkQV8nrYCsHF+JbJgCcCVZyLJCrBhBwijSViA40pGHs 0V0AoKW0ylhgcs0VhKs7XjuslTs02GN9 =uvLJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie, need help using The Bat! Clueless
Hello Scrat, On Sunday, June 15, 2003 at 3:06:12 AM you [S] wrote (at least in part): S Okay, I have several questions. Well, I have several answers. :-) S I'm using Win2K, The Bat! 1.64r You're ahead of time, I guess we'll have a hard stand helping you. We don't know the features an potential bugs of future versions yet, here on this list :-) S 1. When I reply, it DOES NOT quote the original message, just brings up a S blank message, why? Because you did something wrong? What actions are you taking to Reply? The Bat! has more than one way to reply, I suspect you using a special one, but I'd like to first hear from you what you're doing exactly for not influencing your answer. S 2. How can I change the fonts when I send? 1.) Whose font? Your systems? Leave it intact, don't change it :) - Font used on recipients side when viewing the mail? That's only _potentially_ possible with HTML formatted mails, which the TB! version you're using does not offer to create. And even _if_ you'd send a HTML formatted you still could not _enforce_ a special font being used, only recommend. So as HTML is bloat when used in e-mail and the result is, technically, unpredictable there is no need for you to change the font :-) - Font used in your editor when creating the mail, only for you wanting to look the text nicer? Options / Editor Preferences / Display - Font. But you can only choose from a list of fixed fonts, that's how TB! works (yet). S 3. I'm assuming you can't use stationary w/The Bat! If you think about 'stationary' as 'HTML template used for new mail' than: yes, you can't. If you think about 'stationary' as 'template in general, even without HTML crap', than: no, you're wrong. The template system in TB! is one of the best. S 4. I am clueless to Macro's. so I could use some help in making one for a S signature line please! You can't make a 'macro', they're fixed. Macros are the commands that let you access several fixed and variable values and therefore build dynamic templates. Open Account / Properties / Templates / New. Delete everything in the text field on the right, click OK. Reopen the New template, the default template should be shown. %Cursor is where the cursor is placed when creating a new message, %TOFName is replaces by the recipients first name automatically; %FromFName by your first name (as given in account information) and so on. Click the 'Macro' button at bottom to see a list of (some) available macros and a short description about they meaning beneath the macro names. Change the template to fit your need, I'd suggest small steps and 'Trial and Error' to see results of your changes. If you have any concrete questions, e.g. I want a new message to look this and this and the recipients shoe size automatically entered here simply ask back here, describing your problem as much detailed and specific as possible. -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3) Unable to locate Coffee -- Operator Halted! Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie, need help using The Bat! Clueless
My bad, I meant... version 1.62r, fast fingers! Replies in Green... Patricia At 03:41 AM 6/15/2003 +0200, you wrote: Hello Scrat, On Sunday, June 15, 2003 at 3:06:12 AM you [S] wrote (at least in part): S Okay, I have several questions. Well, I have several answers. :-) S I'm using Win2K, The Bat! 1.64r You're ahead of time, I guess we'll have a hard stand helping you. We don't know the features an potential bugs of future versions yet, here on this list :-) As I said up above, I meant 1.62r S 1. When I reply, it DOES NOT quote the original message, just brings up a S blank message, why? Because you did something wrong? What actions are you taking to Reply? The Bat! has more than one way to reply, I suspect you using a special one, but I'd like to first hear from you what you're doing exactly for not influencing your answer. I hit the reply button on the little tool bar, the icon that says reply, but it doesn't quote the e-mail at all, just comes up blank. S 2. How can I change the fonts when I send? 1.) Whose font? Your systems? Leave it intact, don't change it :) - Font used on recipients side when viewing the mail? That's only _potentially_ possible with HTML formatted mails, which the TB! version you're using does not offer to create. And even _if_ you'd send a HTML formatted you still could not _enforce_ a special font being used, only recommend. So as HTML is bloat when used in e-mail and the result is, technically, unpredictable there is no need for you to change the font :-) - Font used in your editor when creating the mail, only for you wanting to look the text nicer? Options / Editor Preferences / Display - Font. But you can only choose from a list of fixed fonts, that's how TB! works (yet). Gotcha! S 3. I'm assuming you can't use stationary w/The Bat! If you think about 'stationary' as 'HTML template used for new mail' than: yes, you can't. If you think about 'stationary' as 'template in general, even without HTML crap', than: no, you're wrong. The template system in TB! is one of the best. Stationary is not a big deal, usually annoys me anyhow. S 4. I am clueless to Macro's. so I could use some help in making one for a S signature line please! You can't make a 'macro', they're fixed. Macros are the commands that let you access several fixed and variable values and therefore build dynamic templates. Open Account / Properties / Templates / New. Delete everything in the text field on the right, click OK. Reopen the New template, the default template should be shown. %Cursor is where the cursor is placed when creating a new message, %TOFName is replaces by the recipients first name automatically; %FromFName by your first name (as given in account information) and so on. Click the 'Macro' button at bottom to see a list of (some) available macros and a short description about they meaning beneath the macro names. Change the template to fit your need, I'd suggest small steps and 'Trial and Error' to see results of your changes. Okay, totally confused here, but... let me tell you want I want for a sig line, pretty easy one. Patricia Owner: http://groups.msn.com/PMcOuntrysCreationsPMcOuntry's Creations - Tags by Request Asst. Manager: http://groups.msn.com/SensualCreationsSensual Creations (I'm using Eudora for this, lol) Thank you for your time, Patricia If you have any concrete questions, e.g. I want a new message to look this and this and the recipients shoe size automatically entered here simply ask back here, describing your problem as much detailed and specific as possible. -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3) Unable to locate Coffee -- Operator Halted! Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie, need help using The Bat! Clueless
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Scrat, @14-Jun-2003, 22:46 -0400 (03:46 UK time) Scrat said My bad, I meant... version 1.62r, fast fingers! Replies in Green... Not likely! That is a Eudora proprietary feature and us TB readers won't see it that way... Oh yes, and please reread the list rules about trimming replies. I hit the reply button on the little tool bar, the icon that says reply, but it doesn't quote the e-mail at all, just comes up blank. This would be because at some point your default reply template has become blank instead of containing the standard reply template. The only way to restore these is to create a new account (dummy out the details) and pinch the correct contents for the account default reply template from there... unless you are using folder templates or address book templates (for the specific address to which you are replying) and that's where it has become blank. A typical reply template will at least invoke the macro %QUOTES to include the quoted original message text. 4. I am clueless to Macro's. so I could use some help in making one for a signature line please! Okay, totally confused here, but... let me tell you want I want for a sig line, pretty easy one. Patricia Owner: http://groups.msn.com/PMcOuntrysCreationsPMcOuntry's Creations - Tags by Request Asst. Manager: http://groups.msn.com/SensualCreationsSensual Creations Put it into a Quick Template and give it a simple handle. Add the macro %ISSIGNATURE to it. Now you may either type the (handle) of the QT followed by Ctrl-Space to have the signature added to your message or use the %QINCLUDE='(handle)' in an account, folder (yuck) or address book template to add it. (I'm using Eudora for this, lol) Thank you for your time, Patricia Patricia? I think you mean Peter! - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBPuviKjnkJKuSnc2gEQJUuQCcCjtSMNAJ9augYYQBIjnaYHjGJ2wAoMSY 8lKAl7KOK119K5SOD2SphuNo =zlfd -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie, need help using The Bat! Clueless
Put it into a Quick Template and give it a simple handle. Add the macro %ISSIGNATURE to it. Now you may either type the (handle) of the QT followed by Ctrl-Space to have the signature added to your message or use the %QINCLUDE='(handle)' in an account, folder (yuck) or address book template to add it. Okay, still confused, not sure what you mean by all that as I'm clueless to templates. And, can I use the HTML tags in that? As for the below, I was signing Patricia, not saying, Thanks Peter, LOL. But, thanks Peter! Patricia? I think you mean Peter! - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBPuviKjnkJKuSnc2gEQJUuQCcCjtSMNAJ9augYYQBIjnaYHjGJ2wAoMSY 8lKAl7KOK119K5SOD2SphuNo =zlfd -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie, need help using The Bat! Clueless
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Scrat, [S] wrote: S Okay, still confused, not sure what you mean by all that as I'm S clueless to templates. You need to spend some time reading this page: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/templates.html The new message, reply and forward templates offer you the ability to put text in your messages before you actually type anything. You can put anything you like, for example a signature or the previous messages text quoted. The real power in templates lies with it's macros. Macros may be used to extract information that varies from message to message, such as the message dates, sender information etc. Read the article to see the scope of what templates will do for you and then you'll start understanding what we're trying to show you. - -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on WinXP Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: My Public Keys - http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html iEYEARECAAYFAj7r6QoACgkQV8nrYCsHF+IaxACg8ZzvNiXD31+B0syJqOZa5WRY SOgAn3ymWkrNnIay5lkAchJooWCjbw25 =cfnN -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie question on filtering Spam
Monday, June 9, 2003, 1:36:57 PM, Julio wrote: J Are there any ready-made Bat macros for filtering out spam? I J have just joined and haven't explored the options to search J the archives, so bear with me, please. Your best bet is to search the archive for POPFile. http://popfile.sourceforge.net/ -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie question on filtering Spam
Hallo Julio, On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:36:57 -0400GMT (9-6-03, 19:36 +0200, where I live), you wrote: JJ Are there any ready-made Bat macros for filtering out spam? I have JJ just joined and haven't explored the options to search the JJ archives, so bear with me, please. I use filters posted by Marcus Ohlström, you can find them in the archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg36630.html BTW You started your question as an answer to another thread. That's not the best thing to do for the following reason. The Bat is able to thread messages properly, in order to see what I mean, just select the folder where you're storing the messages from this list. Go to the menu: view - view threads by - references. Now you'll see that all messages are lined up after the message to which they're first, second (or whatever) level replies to. You started what's essentially a new thread by replying to another message. That means it shows up as listed in another thread. Since people sometimes skip messages in threads they don't consider interesting (for lack of time). They might skip your message too, since they're not aware of the newly started thread. So next time you'd do yourself a favor by sending a new message in stead of a reply, because you're reaching a larger audience and one of those might have the answer you've been waiting for. This is not not meant to criticize you, but only to help you appreciate the options TB offers and to be able to get more effect out of your efforts. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie question on filtering Spam
Hello Roelof, On Monday, June 09, 2003, you wrote: RO BTW You started your question as an answer to another thread. That's RO not the best thing to do for the following reason. RO The Bat is able to thread messages properly, in order to see what I RO mean, just select the folder where you're storing the messages from RO this list. Go to the menu: view - view threads by - references. Now RO you'll see that all messages are lined up after the message to which RO they're first, second (or whatever) level replies to. RO You started what's essentially a new thread by replying to another RO message. That means it shows up as listed in another thread. Since RO people sometimes skip messages in threads they don't consider RO interesting (for lack of time). They might skip your message too, RO since they're not aware of the newly started thread. So next time RO you'd do yourself a favor by sending a new message in stead of a RO reply, because you're reaching a larger audience and one of those RO might have the answer you've been waiting for. Thanks for the explanation, Roelof! I appreciate it. Best regards, Julio mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie query: Attachments and Navigation
Sean wrote: S Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 5:44:56 PM, Bedlam wrote: B No, the problem is specific to JPEG files. At least one sender, from whom I've B had several unopenable attachments, is a Mac/Eudora user. I believe that there B have been other people on this mailing list who have had similar problems with B JPEG, but I didn't see a solution mentioned anywhere? Has anyone who had the B problem solved it? S I have a correspondent who uses Mac Eudora, and I often (but S puzzlingly not always) have to use a utility to decode the files from S binhex. A free product that lets you do that is available at S http://www.funduc.com/decext.htm S The binhex encoding wouldn't be limited to JPEG files, but maybe it's S worth a shot? Thanks, Sean, and everyone else. It doesn't help if you save the file, and the file has a recognisable suffix (jpeg or jpeg). It isn't just those sent from Macs, but it does seem to be a Mac sender more than a PC sender. I think I still to find the pattern - which ones are being rejected, but you've all given me some things to look for. - Bedlam Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie query: Attachments and Navigation
Hallo Bedlam, On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 06:52:21 +0800GMT (26-3-03, 23:52 +0100, where I live), you wrote: B I saw some mail in the archives about people having problems with B JPEG image attachments. Did anyone have a solution for this? I've never had a jpeg attachment that couldn't be viewed when I received it with TB. B I'm finding that about 50% of the attachments are unreadable though B The Bat, but if I look at the same email in Outlook, it's OK. Then you've either got a mangled TB configuration or you've got an abundance of Outlook users as contacts who're sending you attachments in proprietary formats (MS Outlook is known to do so.) There's a free program called fentun (www.fentun.com) that can be used to view these attachments. B And is there any way to set it so that the Delete and Next button B goes to the next in date/time sequence within thread? No. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie query: Attachments and Navigation
Roelof wrote: RO Hallo Bedlam, RO On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 06:52:21 +0800GMT (26-3-03, 23:52 +0100, where I RO live), you wrote: B I saw some mail in the archives about people having problems with B JPEG image attachments. Did anyone have a solution for this? RO I've never had a jpeg attachment that couldn't be viewed when I RO received it with TB. B I'm finding that about 50% of the attachments are unreadable though B The Bat, but if I look at the same email in Outlook, it's OK. RO Then you've either got a mangled TB configuration or you've got an RO abundance of Outlook users as contacts who're sending you attachments RO in proprietary formats (MS Outlook is known to do so.) RO There's a free program called fentun (www.fentun.com) that can be used RO to view these attachments. B And is there any way to set it so that the Delete and Next button B goes to the next in date/time sequence within thread? RO No. No, the problem is specific to JPEG files. At least one sender, from whom I've had several unopenable attachments, is a Mac/Eudora user. I believe that there have been other people on this mailing list who have had similar problems with JPEG, but I didn't see a solution mentioned anywhere? Has anyone who had the problem solved it? - Sheeb Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie query: Attachments and Navigation
Hallo Bedlam, On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 07:44:56 +0800GMT (27-3-03, 0:44 +0100, where I live), you wrote: B No, the problem is specific to JPEG files. At least one sender, B from whom I've had several unopenable attachments, is a Mac/Eudora B user. I believe that there have been other people on this mailing B list who have had similar problems with JPEG, but I didn't see a B solution mentioned anywhere? Has anyone who had the problem solved B it? Can you save the file? If so can you rename it so that it has the correct file extension? IIRC the problem was that the file extension wasn't recognized correctly, because the sending mail client added Mac specific info. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie query: Attachments and Navigation
B user. I believe that there have been other people on this mailing B list who have had similar problems with JPEG, but I didn't see a I think the relevant discussion was called Mangled attachments, and it had something to do with blank lines appearing in the email source. I don't know if there was a permanent solution, although I think forwarding the email to oneself often seemed to work. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie query: Attachments and Navigation
Hello Bedlam, On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 06:52:21 +0800 GMT (27/03/03, 05:52 +0700 GMT), Bedlam wrote: I saw some mail in the archives about people having problems with JPEG image attachments. Did anyone have a solution for this? I'm finding that about 50% of the attachments are unreadable though The Bat, but if I look at the same email in Outlook, it's OK. I am not aware that a solution has been offered (no bugfix has been announced), but I haven't received a problematic JPG file for a long time. I haven't searched for and tried one of the old ones now, though. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Wanted: $10,000 reward. Schroedinger's Cat. Dead or Alive. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie Q: text attachment visibility
Hallo Uwe, On Sun, 15 Dec 2002 12:12:57 +0100GMT (15-12-02, 12:12 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: UZ In the support emails I often get attached plain-text documents to the UZ email. These normally have the extension .log, but may also come as UZ .txt. I wonder if there is any possibility to make TheBat! display UZ these attachments - it's all plain ASCII text - much like it now UZ displays attached image files in a tabbed separate window. I'm not aware of such a possibility. UZ If not, is there any possibility somewhere in TheBat! to set, UZ which program is used to handle which type of attachment? Not in TB. TB uses the file associations you've defined for Windows. In order to associate a file type, you try open a file in the explorer when there's no association, you get to choose a program and the possibility to use that program always for this type (check-box). After you've done that TB will use that program to open that file type. It might be possible that you need to close and restart TB before it figures that you've associated the file type. On my system *.log is associated with notepad and that's what TB uses. UZ On my system TheBat! does not open any external viewer when I try UZ to double click on attached .log files, instead I first get the UZ warning that these files can contain viruses You can disable this warning in: Options - Preferences - Warnings - Add *.LOG to 'Enable opening of these file without any alert' UZ (it's pure ASCII and a non-macro text editor is associated with the files in UZ Windows) and when I insist on opening the file I get the error message UZ that the application for these files was not found... That's the part I mentioned about Windows file associations. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie Q: text attachment visibility
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Uwe Zimmermann [UZ] wrote:'
Welcome to the list. :)
UZ Now I come to my questions, I hope somebody has made it through
UZ the blurb above and is still reading this. In the support emails
UZ I often get attached plain-text documents to the email. These
UZ normally have the extension .log, but may also come as .txt. I
UZ wonder if there is any possibility to make TheBat! display these
UZ attachments - it's all plain ASCII text - much like it now
UZ displays attached image files in a tabbed separate window.
If the text file has a .txt extension then TB! will display it via
tabbed separate window unless the .txt file is very large. I don't
know the size limit. It just displayed a 100KB text file for me in
its own tab. But I had tested a 6.8MB text file the other day and it
didn't display it in its own tabbed window.
If the text file has other extensions then you'll have to open it
with the associated application by double clicking on the
attachment.
UZ If not, is there any possibility somewhere in TheBat! to set,
UZ which program is used to handle which type of attachment? On my
UZ system TheBat! does not open any external viewer when I try to
UZ double click on attached .log files, instead I first get the
UZ warning that these files can contain viruses (it's pure ASCII
UZ and a non-macro text editor is associated with the files in
UZ Windows) and when I insist on opening the file I get the error
UZ message that the application for these files was not found...
TB! uses the systems associated application. Therefore, if the log
file is not being opened, it's because there's something wrong with
.log file associations on your system. Do you have .log files
associated with your text editor?
Also for text file extensions, you can disable the antivirus popup
warning by going into Options/Preferences/Warnings. Add .log
extension to the list of extensions that are opened without warning.
--
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Re: Newbie Q: text attachment visibility
Hello Uwe, Welcome :-) In the support emails I often get attached plain-text documents to the email. These normally have the extension .log, but may also come as .txt. I wonder if there is any possibility to make TheBat! display these attachments - it's all plain ASCII text - much like it now displays attached image files in a tabbed separate window. If not, is there any possibility somewhere in TheBat! to set, which program is used to handle which type of attachment? On my system TheBat! does not open any external viewer when I try to double click on attached .log files, instead I first get the warning that these files can contain viruses (it's pure ASCII and a non-macro text editor is associated with the files in Windows) and when I insist on opening the file I get the error message that the application for these files was not found... I do get a tabbed window (as you call it) for *.txt attachments but not for *.log. I don't think there is any way of telling TB to use a tabbed window for *.log attachments. If you don't want to get the warning for *.log, go to Options - Preferences - Warnings and include *.log in the Enable opening of these files without any alert window. In my system (Win2000) I have *.txt and *.log files associated with TexPad (my preferred text editor) and it opens just fine when I double click on a *.txt or *.log attachment. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie Q: text attachment visibility
Miguel, On 15-12-2002 12:47, you [M] wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: M I do get a tabbed window (as you call it) for *.txt attachments but M not for *.log. FYI: I also get a tab for *.lst files. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 1.62 Beta/17 /thebat version os Windows XP 5.1.2600 /os Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie Q: text attachment visibility
Hello Peter, FYI: I also get a tab for *.lst files. I didn't know. I guess I never got a *.lst attachment. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie Q: text attachment visibility
Hello Allie, Roelof, Miguel and Peter, thanks for your answers! UZ double click on attached .log files, instead I first get the UZ warning that these files can contain viruses (it's pure ASCII UZ and a non-macro text editor is associated with the files in UZ Windows) and when I insist on opening the file I get the error UZ message that the application for these files was not found... ACM TB! uses the systems associated application. Therefore, if the log ACM file is not being opened, it's because there's something wrong with ACM .log file associations on your system. Do you have .log files ACM associated with your text editor? LOG-files have always been associated with my text editor WinEDT. This works nicely in Windows Explorer, the LOG file shows the corresponding icon and if WinEDT is running, the file is opened within the running instance of the program, when WinEDT is not running, the program is launched and the LOG file displayed. However in TheBat! I get the Windows flag as icon for LOG files and the above mentioned error message persists. Thanks for showing me how to disable the warning, now it's only the error message which is left. Uwe. - TheBat! 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie Q: text attachment visibility
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Uwe Zimmermann [UZ] wrote:'
UZ Thanks for showing me how to disable the warning, now it's only
UZ the error message which is left.
Hmmm. Interesting.
I have TextPad associated with .log files and don't get this error.
TB! doesn't really have any control over which application opens
attachment filetypes that aren't supported by it's internal viewer.
It usually just uses the system associated application.
I have WinEdt installed here and am trying to get it to associate it
with .log files. I can't seem to. Notepad opens the file instead,
even though I manually created the association in the Windows
filetypes.
I then switched the association back to textpad ... textpad opens
the file just fine. shrug
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Re: Newbie Q: text attachment visibility
Hello Allie, on Sonntag, 15. Dezember 2002 you wrote: ACM It usually just uses the system associated application. ACM I have WinEdt installed here and am trying to get it to associate it ACM with .log files. I can't seem to. Notepad opens the file instead, ACM even though I manually created the association in the Windows ACM filetypes. ACM I then switched the association back to textpad ... textpad opens ACM the file just fine. shrug OK, I managed (easily) to associate LOG files with both Windows Notepad and Wordpad, I have no idea why WinEdt doesn't work, but for these files I can live with Wordpad... It would be nice though, if there was a more flexible way to handle attached files in TheBat! 2.x Uwe. p.s.: as you can see above, I still have work to do with my templates ;-} -- TheBat! 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie Q: text attachment visibility
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Uwe Zimmermann [UZ] wrote:'
UZ OK, I managed (easily) to associate LOG files with both Windows
UZ Notepad and Wordpad, I have no idea why WinEdt doesn't work, but
UZ for these files I can live with Wordpad...
UZ It would be nice though, if there was a more flexible way to
UZ handle attached files in TheBat! 2.x
How so? Do you mean TB! determining which file-types are opened by
which applications? If TB! did more than simply open attachments
then I'd agree. Applications like Opera can handle filetypes in
different ways, i.e., download them, handle them with a specific
plugin or just open them with the system associated application.
Because of this, it's best to have Opera handle filetypes.
With TB! it does seem unnecessary in the main.
If WinEdt's associations were working as they should, then you'd
have been a happy camper.
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Re: Newbie Q: text attachment visibility
Hello Allie C Martin, on Sonntag, 15. Dezember 2002 you wrote: UZ It would be nice though, if there was a more flexible way to UZ handle attached files in TheBat! 2.x ACM How so? Do you mean TB! determining which file-types are opened by ACM which applications? If TB! did more than simply open attachments ACM then I'd agree. Applications like Opera can handle filetypes in ACM different ways, i.e., download them, handle them with a specific ACM plugin or just open them with the system associated application. ACM Because of this, it's best to have Opera handle filetypes. ACM With TB! it does seem unnecessary in the main. ACM If WinEdt's associations were working as they should, then you'd ACM have been a happy camper. I agree that in this case the problem is either WinEdt or Windows related, but what I meant what that it might be neat to have a table where one could tell TB! for certain MIME attachments to handle them in a certain way by default. For a program as configurable as TB! this would IMHO fit into the concept of the program. It also/alternatively would be nice to (optionally) have a tabbed page for the full header and/or message source. I know how to access these now, but again, I think this would make a nice addition to the program. Is there by any chance a possibility to switch the language of the predefined macros, such as %odate on the fly or on an account basis? Since I use the program for messages in at least three languages, this really would be nice Switching the spell checking with the %language macro is a very nice feature in this respect... Uwe. -- TheBat! 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie Q: text attachment visibility
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Uwe Zimmermann [UZ] wrote:'
UZ I agree that in this case the problem is either WinEdt or
UZ Windows related, but what I meant what that it might be neat to
UZ have a table where one could tell TB! for certain MIME
UZ attachments to handle them in a certain way by default. For a
UZ program as configurable as TB! this would IMHO fit into the
UZ concept of the program.
I agree here with some file types. .html/.htm is one of them. There
are those who'd prefer opening html attachments with a browser other
than the default. This has been a common query.
UZ It also/alternatively would be nice to (optionally) have a
UZ tabbed page for the full header and/or message source. I know
UZ how to access these now, but again, I think this would make a
UZ nice addition to the program.
I don't think so but that's just me. :) I'd prefer just buttons to
easily access these (currently they're only shortcuts). They could
then be displayed in tabs though the independent window approach for
the source view makes one more flexible.
Have you looked at the tbudlinfo page? The URL is in the list footer
for all the list messages. You could submit a feature request.
UZ Is there by any chance a possibility to switch the language of
UZ the predefined macros, such as %odate on the fly or on an
UZ account basis?
I don't think so. Complex macros have been created to do this
translation. I thought they would be in the macro repository but
they aren't. Someone on the list should have an example. Hopefully
one will chip in. If not, you could post this to TBTECH where regex
macros are often discussed.
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Re: Newbie Q: text attachment visibility
Hello Allie C Martin, on 2002-12-15 at 15:40 CET you wrote: UZ It also/alternatively would be nice to (optionally) have a UZ tabbed page for the full header and/or message source. I know UZ how to access these now, but again, I think this would make a UZ nice addition to the program. ACM I don't think so but that's just me. :) I'd prefer just buttons to ACM easily access these (currently they're only shortcuts). They could ACM then be displayed in tabs though the independent window approach for ACM the source view makes one more flexible. ACM Have you looked at the tbudlinfo page? The URL is in the list footer ACM for all the list messages. You could submit a feature request. Yes I have, but as a newbie to TB! I first want to make sure that a feature is not already there and I'm just too damn stupid to find it. And then I personally prefer to hear others' ideas/considerations before going to ask for new features. That's the way things are handled for ThumbsPlus, where suggestions are directly placed into an open discussion group UZ Is there by any chance a possibility to switch the language of UZ the predefined macros, such as %odate on the fly or on an UZ account basis? ACM I don't think so. Complex macros have been created to do this ACM translation. I thought they would be in the macro repository but ACM they aren't. Someone on the list should have an example. Hopefully ACM one will chip in. If not, you could post this to TBTECH where regex ACM macros are often discussed. I found a way around it: the ISO date should do for all my purposes ;-} However, the fact that the output of the %odate macro can be influenced by a command string is not directly described in the help nor in the FAQs Uwe. -- TheBat! 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie Q: text attachment visibility
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In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Uwe Zimmermann [UZ] wrote:'
UZ Yes I have, but as a newbie to TB! I first want to make sure
UZ that a feature is not already there and I'm just too damn stupid
UZ to find it.
The feature request site is actually pretty interesting. It lists
all the requests that have been made. It's actually the same site
that you submit bug reports. You also have to subscribe to it to get
posting privileges.
When you log-on, just select 'The Bat Wishes' from the switch list in
the right upper corner of the page.
UZ And then I personally prefer to hear others'
UZ ideas/considerations before going to ask for new features.
Yes. We do this here as well, so making your suggestion to the list
was welcome. The developers don't read this discussion list much, if
at all, so I was pointing you to where your suggestion would be read
by them, as well as where you can browse other suggestions made. :)
UZ I found a way around it: the ISO date should do for all my
UZ purposes ;-}
UZ However, the fact that the output of the %odate macro can be
UZ influenced by a command string is not directly described in the
UZ help nor in the FAQs
There's a lot about this program that isn't directly documented.
Using this list is therefore a great resource.
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Re: Newbie Q: text attachment visibility
ON Sunday, December 15, 2002, 12:53:54 PM, you wrote: PF FYI: I also get a tab for *.lst files. Hi Peter, What do application do you have associated in Windows with LST files? Whould that be notepad? -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= The main problem with keeping your eye on the ball is you have to take your eye off your opponent. Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie Q: text attachment visibility
Gerard, On 15-12-2002 16:17, you [G] wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: G ON Sunday, December 15, 2002, 12:53:54 PM, you wrote: PF FYI: I also get a tab for *.lst files. G What do application do you have associated in Windows with LST files? G Whould that be notepad? Actually, it not associated with anything (generic icon). *.lst files are used for setup information, accompanying a setup.exe and *.cab files. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 1.62 Beta/17 /thebat version os Windows XP 5.1.2600 /os Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie questions......sorry!!
Hi pOoTer, On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 00:32:12 +0100, you wrote: 1. I am using Kaspersky AV v4.0.5 with the Bat! plug-in and have set up a template to send to people who infect me, trouble is it does not seem to trigger, any ideas what I am doing wrong please? The template I am using is the one in 'Options, Virus Protection' As a small point, although it is kind of you to notify the infected person of the virus, in more recent cases, the sender (From field) is not who they claim to be. Take Klez for example, it spoofs the from field based on addresses in the infected users address book, along with things it finds in the internet history. 2. Can The Bat! compose HTML emails and if so where is the option because I can't find it? No, although there are rumours of it being put into version 2. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Newbie: 2nd question
Hey Julian, My MUA believes you used The Bat! (v1.60q) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thursday, June 27, 2002 at 8:35:26 AM. JK Is it possible either to sync the *address book* with a Palm PDA _or_ JK sync it with MS Outlook? Unfortunately, no. There are some who have offered to code the conduit, but we need the AB file format from RIT, and writing that does not seem to be high on their priority list... g If/When it is available, it will be posted here, and probably added to the FAQ. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! eMail v1.60q Windows 2000 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 2) Paper clips are the larval stage of coat hangers. Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Palm - TBab sync (was Re: Newbie: 2nd question)
Hey Julian, My MUA believes you used The Bat! (v1.60q) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thursday, June 27, 2002 at 9:17:40 AM. JK This is sad though as these things are about all that's currently JK stopping me from getting rid of Outlook for my email. You can do an export of your Palm AB to vCard, then import it to TBab. It is not a sync though. If you look through the archives you should be able to find my results of trying to sync with vCards, but as I recall, TB handled duplicates with no problems (no import), but Palm DT just created a new entry blindly... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! eMail v1.60q Windows 2000 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 2) Who is they anyway? Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Palm - TBab sync (was Re: Newbie: 2nd question)
Hello Tim, on 27/Jun/2002 you wrote: TM Hey Julian, TM My MUA believes you used The Bat! (v1.60q) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 TM to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TM on Thursday, June 27, 2002 at 9:17:40 AM. JK This is sad though as these things are about all that's currently JK stopping me from getting rid of Outlook for my email. TM You can do an export of your Palm AB to vCard, then import it to TBab. TM It is not a sync though. If you look through the archives you should TM be able to find my results of trying to sync with vCards, but as I TM recall, TB handled duplicates with no problems (no import), but Palm TM DT just created a new entry blindly... Hmm, thanks for the answer. However, I'd prefer not to step backwards really. However, perhaps this leans towards a solution where I can synchronise the TB address book with the Outlook address book periodically? I will need to continue using Outlook for Calendar and tasks anyway for the moment as the Palm desktop simply doesn't cut it for me. (Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 ) -- Julian Knight, /\ |Home Page: http://www.knightnet.org.uk/ | |Location : Sheffield, South Yorkshire, United Kingdom. | |Occupation: Security, Directory, Messaging, Network PC Consultant | \/ Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Newbie puzzlement
Just to confirm what the experts have said, Nigel: You download the International Language Pack. Then run/install the .exe file Then in New messages-Options-Language-Select British English. I too needed their advice to fix this. Good luck! Paul - Using The Bat! v1.60 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A ...A person who can smile when things go wrong has found someone to blame it on. Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Newbie puzzlement
On Wednesday, May 29, 2002, Nigel Floyd wrote... 1. Why, when it is possible to configure every other element of the The Bat's interface, is it not possible to choose the font in which messages are composed? Options - Editor Preferences - View - Change... Note this will NOT affect the mail being sent out... TB! doesn't send in HTML or RTF (yet). It only affects the way fonts are displayed on your screen. 2. How do I set the spell check facility to use the British English dictionary. Is it installed by default, or do I have to download it from the Web? Currently, there is a menu option which suggests that a UK dictionary will be sued, but when I set it nothing happens. Erm... when composing a message, Spell Checker - Language - Select the language. Of course you have to download the UK English dictionary first. I don't know if there is any way to default set it to use one particular dictionary, or it doing that does it automatically. I cannot find any other options about the spell checker myself. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Newbie puzzlement
Hello Nigel, On Wed, 29 May 2002 17:39:01 +0100GMT (29-5-02, 18:39 +0200GMT, where I live), you wrote: NF anomaly. There are, of course, other fixed fonts available, but all of NF these are as ugly as this one. This is a make-or-break issue for me, That's because it's essential for free caret editors (like TB's) that all characters have the same size. NF 2. How do I set the spell check facility to use the British English NF dictionary. Is it installed by default, or do I have to download it NF from the Web? I'm not sure whether it's per default installed or that you'll have to download the international pack. NF Currently, there is a menu option which suggests that a UK NF dictionary will be sued, but when I set it nothing happens. Did you enable 'automatic checking'? (on the same menu) -- Groetjes, Roelof Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Newbie puzzlement
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Roelof Otten [RO] wrote (in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): ... NF anomaly. There are, of course, other fixed fonts available, but NF all of these are as ugly as this one. This is a make-or-break NF issue for me, RO That's because it's essential for free caret editors (like TB's) RO that all characters have the same size. The editor will reformat quoted material among other interesting formatting routines that can only be done the way it is through the use of fixed width fonts. It's a trade off really. One of the future development plans include an editor that will allow you to use fonts of your choice. I don't know when that will appear though. NF 2. How do I set the spell check facility to use the British English NF dictionary. Is it installed by default, or do I have to download it NF from the Web? RO I'm not sure whether it's per default installed or that you'll RO have to download the international pack. I had to download the international pack to get access to a UK dictionary. - -- -=Allie C Martin=- List Moderator | TB! v1.60m | Windows XP Pro PGP/GPG Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=2B0717E2 _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE89TiAV8nrYCsHF+IRAmjCAKDI6uHcVXXTmBcWEGyx/FrUcpNZ9ACgkmmT cB7wacpuCse7tyztQoyQxpo= =yPDt -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Newbie puzzlement
Hello Allie, On Wed, 29 May 2002 15:22:23 -0500GMT (29-5-02, 22:22 +0200GMT, where I live), you wrote: NF 2. How do I set the spell check facility to use the British English RO I'm not sure whether it's per default installed or that you'll RO have to download the international pack. ACM I had to download the international pack to get access to a UK ACM dictionary. Actually I thought so, but I downloaded the intpack for the Dutch dictionary and never bothered to see what else was in it. ;-) -- Groetjes, Roelof Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Newbie puzzlement
Hi Thomas On Thu, 30 May 2002 10:47:10 +0700GMT (which was 30/05/2002, 5:47 +0200GMT for me), you wrote: TF Otherwise it would mean that the Intpack must contain the TF dictionaries for each of the tens of languages TB supports. Actually, the intpack contains those. Last version of the intpack did include a spelling-pack for spanish, and also for 11 other languages: British English, German, Dutch, Portuguese, Norwegian, Italian, French, Brazilian, Spanish, Swedish, Finnish, Danish Maybe time to download an update? -- Der Immer Jodelende Schweizer In Lederhosen Roel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Zum Antworten bitte Lederhosen entfernen * Speelplein Aboe http://www.aboe.zzn.com * If only women came with pulldown menus and online help. Using The Bat! 1.60m on Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Newbie puzzlement
Hello Roel, On Thu, 30 May 2002 06:52:25 +0200 GMT (30/05/02, 11:52 +0700 GMT), Roel wrote: R Actually, the intpack contains those. Last version of the intpack R did include a spelling-pack for spanish, and also for 11 other R languages: R Maybe time to download an update? Done, and I stand corrected. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Quantum Mechanics: The dreams stuff is made of. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.60m under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Newbie question
I understand that Norton 2002 will scan ANY mailer's messages. I don't know that for a fact as I have the 2001 version. With TB, I just put pop3.norton.antivirus in the TB pop slot and provide the userid and mindspring pop info in the userid slot. See your Norton writeup to see how to set it up. This keeps the virus completely out of your machine. Friday, April 26, 2002, 11:51:25 AM, Paul wrote: Hi all, I'm currently using a trial version of TB v1.6c, could anyone tell me if there is anyway to use Norton Antivirus Corporate edition 7.0 to scan incoming and outgoing email? I have noticed some integration with AV's, but only AVP. Cheers, Paul Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Genemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Windows 2000 [version 5.0.2195] Mail Client: THE BAT 1.60h Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie question
Hello Paul! On Friday, April 26, 2002 at 5:51:25 PM you wrote: I'm currently using a trial version of TB v1.6c, could anyone tell me if there is anyway to use Norton Antivirus Corporate edition 7.0 to scan incoming and outgoing email? Only Norton's own scanning of e-mail. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.60g on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Respect Yourself. (Pops Staples) Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Friday, April 26, 2002, 7:00:34 PM, Gene wrote: I understand that Norton 2002 will scan ANY mailer's messages. I don't know that for a fact as I have the 2001 version. I can confirm that this is the case. I have Norton Internet Security 2002 and it works with TB, scanning incoming and outgoing mail transparently. I didn't have to set anything up - it just happens. Yesterday Norton trapped a Klez variant before it even got to TB. Regards Christopher mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.60c on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
