Re: Suggestion: select below to signature divider
Peter Fjelsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] @ 15-Apr-2004 9:36:43 AM Suggestion: select below to signature divider mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] How [do] the rest of you handle this problem? 1. Get annoyed 2. Reply with all the text included 3. Move stuff around 4. Add the proper number of '' 5. Hope they take a hint -- Chris - Nun mi Esperanton lernas. Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v2.04.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 I like your game but we have to change the rules. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Suggestion: select below to signature divider
Chris, On 15-04-2004 15:47, you [C] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: How [do] the rest of you handle this problem? Ouch! :) -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 2.05 Beta/16 /thebat version os Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1/os Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Suggestion: select below to signature divider
On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 15:36:43 +0200, Peter Fjelsten wrote: I get mail from a lot of people who have huge problems with quoting correctly (i.e. top-posting), so I find myself constantly selecting a lot of quoted text below the cursor and hitting delete to delete all the bottom quotes. [Snip How does the rest of you handle this problem? In the original (malquoted) message, select the text I want to quote in my reply, then hit F4. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Suggestion for better message list view reading
Quoting Jonathan Angliss [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, October 05, 2003, Vishal wrote.. MDP (#There's a hole in my bucket, dear Liza, dear Liza#) ummm..huh? It is a song, it appears only those from England know... I often find myself humming it for some reason, and people look at me blankly, but working in the US now, that tends to happen quite often ;) eg A folk song made popular by Harry Belafonte -- his rendition is great! -- I'm from the US. Doug -- Doug Helen's Dogs: http://www.dougandhelen.com Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Vishal, On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 00:55:45 -0400 GMT (06/10/2003, 11:55 +0700 GMT), Vishal wrote: MDP Please see mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't have that message stored on my machine. Any chance you could paste the text or tell me what to search for so I know what you were trying to say? It doesn't seem to have made it into the archives yet. Marck just says that putting a cutmark into the list footer wouldn't work for TB, was tested,etc. MDP (#There's a hole in my bucket, dear Liza, dear Liza#) ummm..huh? That's an old song; Marck is referring to an endless repetition. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Early to rise and early to bed, makes a man healthy but socially dead. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.22 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi Vishal, @6-Oct-2003, 00:55 -0400 (06-Oct 05:55 UK time) Vishal [V] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: V I don't have that message stored on my machine. Any chance you V could paste the text or tell me what to search for so I know what V you were trying to say? ,--/ Here it is, a reply to Andrew Hodgson's suggestion \-- LG Again, not using a cut mark was something we've already tried. AH ... I include the cutmark in the footer, ... ... snip AH Is there a reason why this is not a good idea? MDP It doesn't work properly in TB by default. It only cuts the MDP last signature it finds. Also, only the final cut mark is also MDP seen as the real signature delimiter by the RTV, defeating TB's MDP wonderful signature display format features. MDP This is something that was tried and discarded. `-8- MDP (#There's a hole in my bucket, dear Liza, dear Liza#) V ummm..huh? It's a song, quite long, that starts with that line, continues with Liza suggesting remedies, ending up with a bucket being needed ... and returning to the first verse to start over. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00.22 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Marck, On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:29:11 +0100 GMT (06/10/2003, 16:29 +0700 GMT), Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MDP (#There's a hole in my bucket, dear Liza, dear Liza#) It's a song, quite long, that starts with that line, continues with Liza suggesting remedies, ending up with a bucket being needed ... and returning to the first verse to start over. I only know the German lyrics by heart: Ein Loch ist im Eimer, Karl-Otto, Karl-Otto, ein Loch ist im Eimer, Karl-Otto, ein Loch. (And the rest of it.) The English lyrics are here: http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Glade/8851/s5_51.htm f'up2tbot -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I know that the work cycle is not plan/start/finish, but is wait/plan/plan. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.22 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Suggestion for better message list view reading
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, October 05, 2003, Vishal wrote... V Perhaps you could include the cut mark as part of the listserv V footer then, instead of relying on users? Although I say this might be one good idea, it doesn't get rid of the fact that some people have huge signatures and the likes. MDP Please see mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't have that message stored on my machine. Any chance you could paste the text or tell me what to search for so I know what you were trying to say? I'd quote some of it, but for some reason, I'm not able to find that message. MDP (#There's a hole in my bucket, dear Liza, dear Liza#) ummm..huh? It is a song, it appears only those from England know... I often find myself humming it for some reason, and people look at me blankly, but working in the US now, that tends to happen quite often ;) eg - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Acid bath? You're soaking in it... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA+AwUBP4D8viuD6BT4/R9zEQLdAwCfWJXCj9o+lBHGPEq2uAKkICN0GRUAlRGq rstNp29degzOf1gwiT4QqL8= =WsDV -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Suggestion for better message list view reading
Saturday, October 4, 2003, Mark Partous wrote: 0.2c? How does one pay that? :-) By finding 20 persons named Millicent -- Urban Eventually, the Romans conquered the Greeks. History calls people Romans because they never stayed in one place for very long. Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Leif, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 3 Oct 2003 15:13:26 (my local time 23:13:26), you typed: MB So, would you help me word it--the Wish List suggestion? Since I'm MB feeling a little bit language-impaired this afternoon? Setting up MB the second e-mail as part of the welcome-distribution ought not to MB take as much of the developers' time as modifying code. Ritlabs MB might go for it. :) LG grin Yeah, I'll help, but let's give it a day or so to see what LG other people think. If it's just you and me who think it might be a LG worthwhile idea, then it wouldn't be worth submitting. Count me in. I think it'd be a very good idea. The mail could be named something like Useful bat! resources or something to that effect. and on another subject: and now i'm turning to both the mods and my fellow visually impaired users, would it be a good idea to have notes about ways to set up TB! in order for blind/visually impaired users to make it work? Would it be a good idea to also set up a tutorial with editing techniques so that excessive over quoting b avoided? or is it enough with a pointer to the keyboard shortcuts of TB? - -- - -- /Krister mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This mail brought to you by The bat! V2.00.22, on Windows XP 5 1 build 2600 Pgp keys available here: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-nr2 (Windows XP) iD8DBQE/fqgKODlJeoMTOQsRAhjHAJ9BAUobGlnplKccrxxbvqjR83zUIgCdGqTk SdHJp0zBLTLISWw+uQsNKtQ= =aHZ+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Urban- !!! ROTFL -- -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Suggestion for better message list view reading
Hello Vishal, Saturday, October 4, 2003, 6:30:36 PM, you wrote: V Hi Thomas V Saturday, October 4, 2003, 12:25:04 AM, you wrote: TF So users of screen readers should be excepted from reading the rules? V Nobody said they should be excepted. I think the opinion was that they should be V 'excused' for not having read them. I agree with this. It's only being V understanding. What I actually meant in this message was that if I don't have time to read the rules in the welcome message because sometimes it can take longer to read it with a screen reader, and that I have to stay concentrated to the voice for that time, I won't post until I get a flavour of how the list operates. I didn't mean it as an excuse for not reading the rules if I am told off by a moderator later on. Andrew. -- Best regards, Andrew Hodgson, Bromyard, Herefordshire, UK. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On Saturday, October 4, 2003, 1:35:35 PM, Vishal wrote: V Perhaps you could include the cut mark as part of the listserv footer V then, instead of relying on users? Marck has already explained why this does not work, earlier in this thread. Only text which falls below the last cut-mark inserted will be stripped, which means that if you have a cutmark, followed by a signature, followed by a listserv footer which also contains a cut-mark, the signature inserted by the sender will not be stripped. I really have trouble understanding why this is such an issue. It's so simple to insert a cutmark, it can even be automated using templates. I really don't understand why people are objecting to being asked to use a cutmark. Reasonable netiquette is, imo, the equivalent of saying please thank-you irl. It costs nothing makes life easier more pleasant for everyone. -- Deborah We hold these Truths to be self-evident... which is a gracious, Jeffersonian, way of saying, Any idiot ought to be able to understand this. - Former Congressman Bob McEwen Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Suggestion for better message list view reading
Hi Vishal, @4-Oct-2003, 13:35 -0400 (04-Oct 18:35 UK time) Vishal [V] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP We want the footer inserted, but not quoted in replies. V Perhaps you could include the cut mark as part of the listserv V footer then, instead of relying on users? Please see mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (#There's a hole in my bucket, dear Liza, dear Liza#) D ... it is to blame for not having the delimiter as part of it. Nope. I have to say that it's all down to you :-(. Sorry about that. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00.22 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Suggestion for better message list view reading
Hi Pranav, @03-Oct-2003, 06:02 +0530 (01:32 UK time) Pranav Lal said: Thanks for the explanation. I don't have a message signature so I don't think that I need a cut line. Oh, but you do! Your name is your signature and any list you write mail to adds more text below it. It is a courtesy to provide a cut mark to make it easier for anyone wishing to reply to you to lose both your mark and any texts added by whatever services have handled your message. A cut mark is this: dashdashspacereturn Please add it to all of your messages above your name from now on. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00.22 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi Mark, snip Please add it to all of your messages above your name from now on. You nmean like this? Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi Pranav, @03-Oct-2003, 15:06 +0530 (10:36 UK time) Pranav Lal said: snip Please add it to all of your messages above your name from now on. You nmean like this? No - all you did was to remove your name, leaving the list footer exposed. The courteous thing to do is to add a NewLine, dash, dash, space, newline to the end of your message text above your name. That means that anyone who replies has the entire footer automatically excluded. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00.22 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Suggestion for better message list view reading
Some time around 10/3/2003 06:26:18, I think I heard Marck D Pearlstone say: Hi Pranav, @03-Oct-2003, 15:06 +0530 (10:36 UK time) Pranav Lal said: snip Please add it to all of your messages above your name from now on. You nmean like this? No - all you did was to remove your name, leaving the list footer exposed. The courteous thing to do is to add a NewLine, dash, dash, space, newline to the end of your message text above your name. That means that anyone who replies has the entire footer automatically excluded. Don't you think its a bit obsessive to force people that don't event have a sig block to add a cut line? If the problem is that you don't want to see the footer inserted automatically by the list server, then the problem lies in the list server? Come on! Oh, now I've done it. Go ahead TB demi-gods, flame away. I'm already used to the rudeness and unfriendliness of this list. dZ. -- Powered by The Bat! v1.62r Hindered by MS Windows 2000 build 5.0.2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello DZ-Jay, I'm already used to the rudeness and unfriendliness of this list. While I may somewhat agree with you that the list is perhaps a bit obsessive about cut lines, etc., I *strongly* disagree on rudeness and unfriendliness. Much the contrary. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.00.6 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello DZ-Jay, Friday, October 3, 2003, 12:41:45 PM, you wrote: DJ Don't you think its a bit obsessive to force people that don't event DJ have a sig block to add a cut line? I would think so as well. I was actually just following this thread from the moment Pranav wrote I don't have a message signature so I don't think that I need a cut line. since surely such a clear and courteous(!) reply would not be unanswered for long :(( -- Best regards, Gerrit Kiers Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello DZ-Jay Thank you for your email dated Friday, October 3, 2003, 11:41:45 AM, in which you wrote: DJ Oh, now I've done it. Go ahead TB demi-gods, flame away. I'm already DJ used to the rudeness and unfriendliness of this list. Rude? Un-friendly? Surely not. The mods go out of their way to be the exact opposite. -- Regards William http://www.residues.info and http://www.magiric.com Flying with The Bat! www.ritlabs.com/the_bat Windows 2000 Pro 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi Dz-Jay, @3-Oct-2003, 06:41 -0400 (03-Oct 11:41 UK time) DZ-Jay [DJ] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: DJ Don't you think its a bit obsessive to force people that don't DJ event have a sig block to add a cut line? No I don't. It's in the list rules. If we all stick to the rules, it's better for everyone. If we let one person break the rules, then the next person with only a two line sig says you didn't say that to the guy with the one line sig and suddenly it's a free-for-all. I am personally indifferent about the cut mark rule but Leif is not and I support him fully, mostly for the reason I just stated. This is not about opinions. It's about what works best. DJ If the problem is that you don't want to see the footer inserted DJ automatically by the list server, then the problem lies in the DJ list server? No. If the list server adds the footer because it contains important information. We want the footer inserted, but not quoted in replies. DJ Come on! Perhaps you have a lack of understanding. Perhaps you're just spoiling for a fight. Whatever, you're clearly not in a helpful mood today :-(. It would certainly have been better to say this privately to the moderators or not at all than to confuse the issue as you have chosen to do. ... snip -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00.22 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Good afternoon MAU ! On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:23:18 +0200 GMT your local time, which was 03.10.2003, 13:23 (GMT+0200) where I live, you (MAU MAU) wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm already used to the rudeness and unfriendliness of this list. While I may somewhat agree with you that the list is perhaps a bit obsessive about cut lines, etc., Not even this, compared to other TB-lists I *strongly* disagree on rudeness and unfriendliness. Much the contrary. Fully ACK!! I always use TBUDL as a a good example for being friendly and not rude at all!! Thank you to all mods and members of TBUDL! -- Best regards, Gerd === Tutorial for using regular expressions with TheBat! www.regenechsen.de --- Left to themselves, things tend to go from bad to worse. --- now playing: WDR2 :-) Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi William Moore, On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 12:32:35 +0100 you wrote: WM Rude? Un-friendly? Surely not. WM WM The mods go out of their way to be the exact opposite. I would not call it rude and unfriendly, but it can be intimidating to the newbie. Or even to the veteran of other lists. I rarely post here for fear of breaking one rule or another. When I do post, I re-read my email many times to look for possible errors and to make sure that my meaning is clear and not subject to misinterpretation. Just my 2 cents... Jeff -- Jeffrey A. Shumway Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Jeffrey Thank you for your email dated Friday, October 3, 2003, 12:45:46 PM, in which you wrote: WM The mods go out of their way to be the exact opposite. JAS I would not call it rude and unfriendly, but it can be intimidating to JAS the newbie. Or even to the veteran of other lists. I rarely post here JAS for fear of breaking one rule or another. Well, this was the first list I ever joined so perhaps I was fortunate to adopt good habits from the off. The difference from lists I've since joined (eg DOpus) is striking. No other list has such discipline, making it a comparative pleasure to read; rarely is there any superflous waffle to plough through. -- Regards William http://www.residues.info and http://www.magiric.com Flying with The Bat! www.ritlabs.com/the_bat Windows 2000 Pro 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi DZ-Jay, on Fri, 3 Oct 2003 06:41:45 -0400GMT (03.10.03, 12:41 +0200GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : DJ I'm already used to the rudeness and unfriendliness of this list. I'm missing a smilie. Do you really mean TBUDL? I cannot quite believe this. I perceive TBUDL as one of the most friendly and helpful lists I have ever participated in, particularly considering that there are several hundred members from almost every part of the world. Not to mention newsgroups... I think, the moderators' insisting on the list rules is necessary in such a large multinational environment. The new, formalized, way is not the worst, I'd say. After all, this list is about The Bat!, so why not use her features like Quick Templates? ;-) Have a fine weekend anyway. :-) -- Cheers Peter Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen. Albert Einstein Winamp currently playing: Die angegebene Datei wurde nicht gefunden (H:\programme\winamp\current_song\current_song.txt) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On Friday, October 3, 2003 at 06:41 (which was Friday, October 3, 2003 at 12:41 where I am) Dz-Jay [DJ] wrote: DJ Oh, now I've done it. Go ahead TB demi-gods, flame away. I'm DJ already used to the rudeness and unfriendliness of this list. If you want to be treated 'rude' and 'unfriendly', join the qmail list; here people will still answer questions that have been asked a thousand times, on the qmail list, they'll reply asking whether Google and the list archives were down again. -- Greetings, Maurice Using The Bat! v2.00.22 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi William Moore, On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:19:51 +0100 you wrote: WM The difference from lists I've since joined (eg DOpus) is striking. I can definitely agree with that. Sometimes other lists look down right messy after this one. The Opera Users list is a good example. Many people on that list have never participated in a mailing list and they are often using M2 which does not allow for selective quoting. Quite messy. Jeff -- Jeffrey A. Shumway Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Jeffrey! On Friday, October 03, 2003, 6:45 AM, you wrote William Moore Rude? Un-friendly? Surely not. WM The mods go out of their way to be the exact opposite. J I would not call it rude and unfriendly, but it can be intimidating to J the newbie. ... But it's not because any of the moderators are intentionally discourteous. When I first subscribed to the list, almost a year ago, I was so inexperienced with lists and e-mail vocabulary and etiquette that I could not understand the Welcome Message and its rules, let alone follow them. Of course, I got the standard reminders, and I felt more insulted than intimidated. The moderators took a lot of time making friends with me and helping me. And then they took some of my suggestions for putting the reminders in what I hoped would turn out to be a clearer and less intimidating form. If you can help improve them further, I myself would greatly appreciate it if you would write to Marck D. Pearlstone with your suggestions. I know they would be welcomed and you would get a friendly, warm, courteous reply. J ... Or even to the veteran of other lists. ... See above, second paragraph. J ... I rarely post here for fear of breaking one rule or another. ... I am so sincerely sorry that you feel that way. My take is that it is better to post--this being a small list and for the most part composed of people eager to be friends with one and to read one's views--and then deal with any reminders that come up with as much good humor and lack of shame as possible, than to keep silent and miss either getting help or helping someone else. J ... When I do post, I re-read my email many times to look for J possible errors and to make sure that my meaning is clear and not J subject to misinterpretation. Well, yes, I think that is exceedingly prudent and intelligent behavior. I try to do that, too, but I know that some posters' lives are much busier than mine and they may have less time for careful re-reading. And everyone who reads me knows what a poor proofreader I am and how inclined I am to get carried away and send something off prematurely when I am feeling particularly eager to join in the conversation! This list has been like an electronic family to me, along with TBOT, and I can't say enough good about it. Thanks for writing, Jeff. Let us hear more!! J Just my 2 cents... Well, mine too. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi Andrew, on Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:52:10 +0100GMT (03.10.03, 16:52 +0200GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : AH if using justification, what is the best way to ensure the AH justification keeps the same if you edit a line (see the longer line AH above)? This can look quite messy. Hit alt+L while the cursor is in that paragraph, for aligning left according to your wrap settings. -- Cheers Peter Of course I know what I'm doing! Now gimme that magnet! Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Leif, Friday, October 3, 2003, 4:38:41 PM, you wrote: LG As for why you (Pranav) believe the list is rude and unfriendly, snip I think you wrongly address Pranav for stating the list is rude and unfriendly. Pranav has not responded to this thread since he erased his name under his message and asked Marck if that was what he meant. See mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Pranav first believed that he did not use a message signature so therefore does not have to use a cut line. It was Marck who corrected hem and pointed out the rule was there to deal with the list footer as well. I personally DO think Pranav is treated rather unfriendly from the first moment on (see: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]). As for you (moderators) I think you should be fully excused. But I think we should like to take in account that Pranav is visually challenged. Even for browsing with eyes the 'Welcome to the TBUDL mailing list' is a complex piece of text. I tend to excuse Pranav for not having taken the patience to have it all read out by his computer, and I wonder if he has the possibility to skip most of the it and find the section 'List rules'. I mean: he probably has to browse through the text have his machine read parts from it to find it. How would you find this in such a manner? Terms and conditions of use for TBUDL (The RULES!) I would have skipped it the moment I heard 'Terms and conditions ...' -- Best regards, Gerrit Kiers Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Leif! On Friday, October 03, 2003, 9:38 AM, you wrote: Leif Ouch, I'm the bad guy! grin No, you're not! And by your grin I can tell you don't think that Marck believes that, either. When I first crashed into this list way last October, Marck got me for Top Posting and for breaking a thread. Then you explained the term cut line to me, and when I managed to comply, posted public praise that now you didn't have to delete my four-letter name. :) But of course, as so well explained by both you and Marck in the current thread, it's not just my name that has to be carefully deleted for economical, interesting, cogent posting, but all the rest of the footers, too. I *love* cut lines. They make corresponding with anyone, and especially this list, so much easier. snip Leif As for some of the people who said they check over your messages many Leif times before sending. Why? ... Well, for me, not many times but often two or three, just to try not to send too many typos, or mis-state my thought etc. So that's why I said that to Jeffrey Shumway about considering proofreading an e-mail message being an intelligent and prudent thing to do. It's no burden. And occasionally it will spare all of you a long post from me, like this one. :) snip Leif The template is simple, here's mine: L Hello %OFromFName, L %ODateEn, %OTimeLongEn, you wrote: L %Quotes L %Cursor L dashdashspace -- Done for the RTV viewers so it looks normal. I'm quoting your template, even though most people will have it in front of them on the thread, just on the off-chance someone doesn't. And for any total newbie lurking, or someone who's posting here using Becky (like Jeffrey) or Eudora, here's the place to copy-and-paste it: Tools/Address Book and highlight [EMAIL PROTECTED] Click on Properties. Then on Edit. Then on Reply. Take out anything you might already have in there and copy-and-paste Leif's template into it (minus the quote indicators L :) ). To stay out of trouble temporarily, with just the need for the cut line, in case of unforeseen template absence, I have made a Quick Template. The path to making Quick Templates starts in the main window. Click on Account. Then Properties. Then Options. Then Templates. There's a long button here, Quick Templates--click on it. Then click on Add. Copy-and-paste the lines below into the window that appears. In the Handle field, I call mine Bat Sig, because I have also my name and the mailer and operating system below Best regards. Anyway, make this Handle something you will recognize. Click on OK. Done. Now in the Edit Mail Message you can click on Utilities/Insert Quick Template and get a quick cut-line at the end of the message. Whew! grin Anyone who's read this far, really needs this help! :) I've probably given mistaken instructions somewhere here, also, which I'm sure someone will write in pronto in order to correct me! :) -- Best regards, -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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DZ-Jay- Friday, October 3, 2003, 3:41:45 AM, you wrote: DJ Don't you think its a bit obsessive to force people that don't event DJ have a sig block to add a cut line? If the problem is that you don't DJ want to see the footer inserted automatically by the list server, then DJ the problem lies in the list server? Come on! No, it's not just the list header. Some ISPs and company servers insert extra tag lines (the views expressed...) and such, even when the email sender is unaware of them. Whether or not your ISPs do this, the common netiquette is to add the cut line so that any extraneous garbage that the sender didn't intend is cut out of replies. It also really helps when someone who doesn't do this (Outlook users in particular) top-posts and includes several previous emails after their own signature. If I add anything to the thread then I can be assured that replies to my posting will be trimmed properly. Simple, no? -- -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Gerrit, Friday, October 3, 2003, 12:40:51 PM, you wrote: GK I think you wrongly address Pranav for stating the list is rude GK and unfriendly. Whoa... That was totally my bad. My sincerest apologies to Pranav. I have no idea why I ended up coming up with his name vs. DZ-Jay. Sorry Pranav, and thanks Gerrit for pointing out my error. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00.22 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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I am sorry. I wanted to point to this message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] when explaining why I think Pranav was treated rather unfriendly from the first moment on. Gerrit Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Mary, Friday, October 3, 2003, 12:40:03 PM, you wrote: MB No, you're not! And by your grin I can tell you don't think MB that Marck believes that, either. Nah, Marck, Allie and I are nearly family. They certainly feel like brothers. MB Tools/Address Book and highlight [EMAIL PROTECTED] Click on MB Properties. Then on Edit. Then on Reply. Take out anything you MB might already have in there and copy-and-paste Leif's template MB into it (minus the quote indicators L :) ). L dashdashspace -- Done for the RTV viewers so it looks normal. You told them to paste this line in too without explaining it really needs to be what it spells out. Geez, I feel bad already cause you're such a sweet lady, but... Unless someone has already added the address [EMAIL PROTECTED] to the TB addressbook, it won't be there for them to highlight. They'll have to add the address first in that case, and then modify the reply template. MB I've probably given mistaken instructions somewhere here, also, MB which I'm sure someone will write in pronto in order to correct MB me! :) Nope, this sentence doesn't contain any technical errors! gdr I'll stop fixing here... MB -- MB Best regards, ^^ Uh oh! :-) -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00.22 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Leif! On Friday, October 03, 2003, 1:59 PM, you wrote: MB I've probably given mistaken instructions somewhere here, also, MB which I'm sure someone will write in pronto in order to correct MB me! :) L Nope, this sentence doesn't contain any technical errors! gdr I'll L stop fixing here... No, but MB's grammar and syntax in it leave something to be desired! Well, it makes for interesting conversation. :) Thanks a bunch for pointing out my lapses. I hope anyone who needs this kind of help will be paying attention to your Fix. :) It would certainly have been a godsend early on to me to have had this kind of step-by-step advice in plain English, rather than the usual shorthand that experienced users so often talk in--although I understand why they do it, to save time and space. Anyway, hooray for templates and for cut-lines! -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Bill, Friday, October 3, 2003, 8:56:17 PM, you wrote: G I would have skipped it the moment I heard 'Terms and conditions ...' BBTE Why is that? Without rules, there is chaos. snip Sure. I don't think I make a general statement against rules. I mean to say that if I where browsing the 'Welcome to' message and took it's suggestion by heart to make sure you read the rules, it remains a question how to find them if the section itself starts with a headline Terms and conditions of and you're browsing using a screen reader ;)) -- Best regards, Gerrit Kiers Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Leif! On Friday, October 03, 2003, 1:59 PM, you wrote, in part: L ... Unless someone has already added the address L [EMAIL PROTECTED] to the TB addressbook, it won't be there L for them to highlight. They'll have to add the address first in L that case, and then modify the reply template. Entirely correct! g So, I had another thought after I replied to you. (Went off and had some lunch, hoping to get my brain in the right gear. :) ) Anyway, What if The Bat!'s developers could preload TBUDL's address into the address book, with all the right templates also there by default? Would that be hard to do? I know from experience that such an arrangement would have helped me as a Newbie, and I've got a feeling it would help visually impaired people also. (Have a slight problem there myself, with small print and contrast issues, although haven't arrived at the need for a screenreader yet. But that could very well be down the road for me.) Is this idea worth putting on the Wish List? Since TBUDL is such an important adjunct to the Help file? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Mary, Friday, October 3, 2003, 2:02:29 PM, you wrote: MB What if The Bat!'s developers could preload TBUDL's address into MB the address book, with all the right templates also there by MB default? Would that be hard to do? No, it'd be relatively simple. However there are a couple of considerations that bear on it: 1. The list address has been stable for a while now, but it went through a few iterations. The address is on loan from dutaint.com (where the lists used to be hosted), and while Syafril was gracious enough to let us keep the list addresses, we can't be guaranteed that they won't change again. 2. Even by putting the list address in the address book, they still have to subscribe first. However, there is certainly merit by having the address in there with list rule compliant templates. To expound upon your idea, if RITLabs were willing, is that in addition to the Thanks for trying/buying TB message that is the first e-mail in your in box (part of the distribution), I think it'd be really cool to have a second e-mail with instructions on subscribing to TBUDL. In fact, the REPLY-TO could be pre-set to the list subscribe address, and all they'd have to do is hit reply and send it. MB Is this idea worth putting on the Wish List? Since TBUDL is such MB an important adjunct to the Help file? Heck, I'll vote for it... :-) -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00.22 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Leif! On Friday, October 03, 2003, 3:20 PM, you wrote, in part: L To expound upon your idea, if RITLabs were willing, is that in L addition to the Thanks for trying/buying TB message that is the L first e-mail in your in box (part of the distribution), I think it'd L be really cool to have a second e-mail with instructions on L subscribing to TBUDL. L In fact, the REPLY-TO could be pre-set to the list subscribe address, L and all they'd have to do is hit reply and send it. MB Is this idea worth putting on the Wish List? Since TBUDL is such MB an important adjunct to the Help file? L Heck, I'll vote for it... :-) Yay! Something good might come out of all my stumbling around. g So, would you help me word it--the Wish List suggestion? Since I'm feeling a little bit language-impaired this afternoon? Setting up the second e-mail as part of the welcome-distribution ought not to take as much of the developers' time as modifying code. Ritlabs might go for it. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Mary, Friday, October 3, 2003, 2:52:59 PM, you wrote: MB Yay! Something good might come out of all my stumbling around. g MB So, would you help me word it--the Wish List suggestion? Since I'm MB feeling a little bit language-impaired this afternoon? Setting up MB the second e-mail as part of the welcome-distribution ought not to MB take as much of the developers' time as modifying code. Ritlabs MB might go for it. :) grin Yeah, I'll help, but let's give it a day or so to see what other people think. If it's just you and me who think it might be a worthwhile idea, then it wouldn't be worth submitting. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00.22 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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I am going to tag onto this message hoping a problem will be recreated. I am involved with a great many lists in which top posting is the preference (ignore that fact for now, I am aware of your views here). As a top poster, I leave most of the old message beneath my message, but scroll/highlight/delete junk like signatures and taglines. I am going to do that here to see if something that is occurring on other lists is recreated. If it is, HOW does one prevent it? If it is not recreated with this message, I will send through a copied example. Sorry for the intrusion into this thread. Elaine If you try to fail, and succeed, which have you done? Hello Leif, Friday, October 3, 2003, 4:38:41 PM, you wrote: LG As for why you (Pranav) believe the list is rude and unfriendly, snip I think you wrongly address Pranav for stating the list is rude and unfriendly. snip Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Leif! On Friday, October 03, 2003, 4:13 PM, you wrote: MB So, would you help me word it--the Wish List suggestion? ... MB ought not to take as much of the developers' time as modifying MB code. Ritlabs might go for it. :) L grin Yeah, I'll help, but let's give it a day or so to see what L other people think. If it's just you and me who think it might be a L worthwhile idea, then it wouldn't be worth submitting. Precisely. :) Well, I'll go back to lurking for awhile, now. 42. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello ETM, Friday, October 3, 2003, 3:14:47 PM, you wrote: E I am going to do that here to see if something that is occurring on E other lists is recreated. If it is, HOW does one prevent it? If it E is not recreated with this message, I will send through a copied E example. Sorry for the intrusion into this thread. You'd have to explain what the problem is that you are seeing. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00.22 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Gerrit, Friday, October 3, 2003, 8:32:19 PM, you wrote: GK Hello Bill, GK Friday, October 3, 2003, 8:56:17 PM, you wrote: G I would have skipped it the moment I heard 'Terms and conditions ...' BBTE Why is that? Without rules, there is chaos. snip GK Sure. I don't think I make a general statement against rules. I mean GK to say that if I where browsing the 'Welcome to' message and took it's GK suggestion by heart to make sure you read the rules, it remains a GK question how to find them if the section itself starts with a headline GK Terms and conditions of and you're browsing using a screen reader ;)) Well you are right; I just chuck the list rules usually away because I am subscribed to a fair number of lists and know most of the list software commands for the general list servers such as Majordomo, Mailmon, Listserv, EZMLM et al. If there is a particular point in the rules, I usually pick it up in the postings I receive. I have never had any issue with this method, and as you said in another post, viewing the message with a screen reader can be annoying, especially when you have to chew through the parts about not sending commands to the list submission address/being on topic etc to get to the rules, which are usually 2 thirds of the way down the document anyway. If I can explicitly search for the rules (i.e, there are sections at the top of the message, or I am delivered a set of messages either in a digest or as separate mail messages, I will go through them in this instance. Andrew. -- Best regards, Andrew Hodgson, Bromyard, Herefordshire, UK. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Leif Gregory, [LG] wrote: LG Nah, Marck, Allie and I are nearly family. They certainly feel like LG brothers. I'm late on this one since work has been a tad demanding of late. :) Anyway, this is an interesting thread and I thought I'd add my 0.2c worth of sentiments. I have to agree with Leif that after all these years on the list, first as an active regular member, and then as a moderator, I've learnt a lot! My views and attitude towards the list rules have developed and changed over the years and I'm not surprised that I'm currently, and on my own steam, in full solidarity with Marck and Leif on this. The list rules simply should be followed by our members. It shouldn't be construed as a means of controlling members (believe me, I dislike that), but instead, as a means to maintain a nicely running list with easy to read messages posted in a predictable and consistent format with courteous means to make participation as pleasant and as convenient as possible for our members. As members we all stand to benefit on this. As moderators we're certainly not above reproach, but I do have to say that how we choose to run these lists is based on a lot of experience over the years and making adjustments as well as refinements based on membership feedback etc. The lists may not be running perfectly but they're very close to that, IMO. :) Of course, we'll never please everyone and I've come to realize that we never will be able to please everyone. I am also quite convinced that making exceptions is a bad idea and should be done only with careful consideration. Exceptions and grey areas to a rule leads to confusion and unnecessary debate. The fact of the matter is that this list consists of a community of users that, in the main, do enjoy this community for what it is. As with any community that you become a new member of, you may find things odd about it and even think things downright unreasonable or odd. However, I ask that you give us a chance and trust that we do mean well in what we do, that we do what we do because we think it's best for the better running of the list, that we've decided to do what we do from experience with trying other means, and most of all, that we do welcome you all with the last thing we'd ever want being to make you feel uncomfortable or fearful of posting. :) Jeffrey A. Shumway, [JAS] wrote: JAS ...When I do post, I re-read my email many times to look for JAS possible errors and to make sure that my meaning is clear and not JAS subject to misinterpretation. Well Jeffrey, I find myself doing this very thing a lot.:) Even more-so as moderator, since I have to set the example. I can't be expected to ask others to follow rules I'm not expected to also follow. As to trying to avoid being misunderstood as being rude or unfriendly, I used to spend a lot more time than I do now since avoiding that seems to come with practice. :) Of course, the occasional misunderstanding still does crop up. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Andrew, On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 23:14:43 +0100 GMT (04/10/2003, 05:14 +0700 GMT), Andrew Hodgson wrote: GK Terms and conditions of and you're browsing using a screen reader ;)) Well you are right; I just chuck the list rules [...] and as you said in another post, viewing the message with a screen reader can be annoying, So users of screen readers should be excepted from reading the rules? How about users of 15-inch screens? Or users of P-III's? Or users of shared wireless extra-lightweight laptops with built-in CD-RW drives and an optical mouse? Reading the rules can be annoying to people, whatever system they use. The list is for all, and the rules are the same for all. If you don't read them, you will still have to follow them, so it makes sense to wade your way through them once... I was on a list for blind and seeing people for a while, and guess what, that list had rules too. These were harshly enforced by the moderator, who used a screen reader himself. Had anybody said I didn't read the rules, he would likely have been taken off the list before he could even mention because I use a screen reader. Hey, TBUDL is a very cuddly place when I think about it and compare it to some other groups, especially some of the NGs on the German Usenet. More than half of the postings there are people flaming each other as they accuse each other of not having obeyed one rule or another (the importance of which often eludes me). And I didn't stay on the Jaws list long enough to know whether they post rules regularly (my first question, why did JFW not run correctly on my system, was quickly answered: it doesn't run correctly under Chinese Windows 98), but the people there also followed rules that have either been established through history or by decree. Should I have said sorry, I don't use a screen reader, so I should be excepted from rule so-and-so? With regards to screen readers, we have included 2 rules into the German TB Beginner's List: 1.) Everybody is requested to turn off the reply counter in the subject field. 2.) Everybody is requested to set quote-style to None, so that no initials or names are insterted by TB before the of quoted text. The reason is that for seeing people, it is easy to skip the reply counter or the initials, but a screen reader won't, and it's kind of annoying. Anyway, this thread has also become too long now, what I am saying is: It's just the sig delimiter (cut mark) we are talking about. If other people think it makes their replies to your postings easier, put it in your template. It's a small one-time effort and everybody is happy. especially when you have to chew through the parts about not sending commands to the list submission address/being on topic etc to get to the rules, which are usually 2 thirds of the way down the document anyway. That's OK, nobody will remember all the rules when he first subscribes, and the mods will give hints. The sig delimiter is a favourite newbie mistake, and I don't think that newbies will more likely to follow this rule from the beginning if it is in the first part of the rules. I cannot find anything particularly unfriendly in the mid you referenced, but let Pranav speak for himself. I hope you don't find this posting unfriendly; it is not meant in that way, I just sometimes write the way I think. It doesn't always come out the way it was intended, and I have at times been critisised for that too. I'm just saying this, so that you don't feel offended or what, just give me the benefit of the doubt if you feel that way. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Regular naps prevent old age. especially if you take them while driving. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.22 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi Leif and all, 1. AsI have privately stated to one of the list members, I believe in following list rules. What surprises me about this entire cut line issue is that I was not asked to insert one when I first posted. 2. snip As for why you (Pranav) believe the list is rude and unfriendly, please, by all means show us where. PL] Leif, you wrongly addressed me which has already been pointed out by other list members. I will not comment about the friendlyness or unfriendlyness of the list; I have been able to extract useful information from the replies to my questions and have been able to advance my learning about TheBat. 3. I did read the welcome message. (1) Firstly, I suggest that the heading terms and conditions should be changed to list rules. In the upper part of the message, the reader is told that the second section is about list rules but when the reader reaches the second section, the section heading says Terms and conditions of use for TBUDL (The RULES!) The words the rules should come first to make things explicitly clear. I did however read the conditions. (2) Point h says It is also a good idea to place a -- (dash dash space CR) on a clear line before your sig so that it is automatically excluded from replies. PL] The tone of the above sentence seems to imply that the cut line is not compulsory which is why I did not include it. -- Pranav Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Pranav, On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 15:57:16 +0530 GMT (10/2/2003, 3:27 AM +0700 GMT), Pranav Lal wrote: PL A couple of tips I found to improve navigation in the message list view. I PL have used these tips with JFW v4.51.119. PL 1. I reclassified the message list view to a list view. The class name was PL TListView or something like that. PL 2. I added a custom highlight color after highlighting a message. I found PL that this improved JFW's responsiveness in the message list view. What is JFW? Why use Eudora on this list? Why no cut line? -- Best regards, Dennis - BATF: Brutalizing America Through Force. The Human Race proudly using The Bat! 2.00.6 Windows 2000 Professional 5.0.2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Dennis, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 2 Oct 2003 04:52:36 (my local time 13:52:36), you typed: DWG What is JFW? JFW stands for Jaws for Windows. Jaws stands for Job access with speech. This is a so called screen reader, which is an application that presents screen contents to a blind person using either synthetic speech or braille or both. Using this program, it's possible for a blind person to view and act upon the contents of the screen in Windows. HTH - -- - -- /Krister mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This mail brought to you by The bat! V2.00.22, on Windows XP 5 1 build 2600 Pgp keys available here: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-nr2 (Windows XP) iD8DBQE/fBceODlJeoMTOQsRAjTpAKC2dxaqlIKIvrS7GiaMiyvKJQ/gagCghEdB ZgOWYxcYHDjAVdq3lx/sntE= =k2c+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi Dennis, snip What is JFW? Why use Eudora on this list? Why no cut line? JFW is an abbreviation for jaws for windows. It is a screen reader that verbalizes the contentsof a computer screen. See http://www.freedomscientific.com for more information. At this point, I am still evaluating TheBat. My primary email client is still Eudora. What do you mean by a Cut line? Pranav Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Allen, Thursday, October 2, 2003, 6:54:44 AM, you wrote: A Proper etiquette on this list is to have a cut line or signature A delimiter. Your precede your signature with -- ( dot dot dash ). A Most people on this list are, naturally, using The Bat!, and TB A automatically truncates all text from the delimiter on down. Rather dash dash space -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00.22 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Allen, Thursday, October 2, 2003, 8:50:03 AM, you wrote: LG Rather dash dash space A I think I deserve a fish. S'ok. grin... We'll just pretend that you were in the middle of a heavy Morse Code conversation, and you mistakenly spelled out the letter U. :-) -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00.22 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Suggestion for better message list view reading
Hello Leif, On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:57:38 -0600 GMT (02/10/2003, 21:57 +0700 GMT), Leif Gregory wrote: LG Rather dash dash space A I think I deserve a fish. S'ok. grin... We'll just pretend that you were in the middle of a heavy Morse Code conversation, and you mistakenly spelled out the letter U. Leif, the man is hungry. He knows how to catch a fish, but all you give him is a U. Gimme an F, gimme an I, gimme an S, gimme an H! f'up2tbot. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. What to not say to the nice policeman: I was trying to keep up with traffic. Yes, I know there is no other car around--that's how far ahead of me they are. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.22 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: suggestion: logging for kill filters
Hello Chris, Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 5:17:40 PM, you wrote: C I think that that would be a great feature. If the developers were C feeling particularly energetic, they could put a Verbose Logging C option on the Options or Advanced tab in the Sorting C Office/Filters. moderator This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Chris. Please trim replies to context. Try to cut out as much of the original text as possible in your replies so that your response is targeted to specific items in the message you are replying to. You don't necessarily need four layers of quoted material to respond to the last comment made. A sure fire indicator that insufficient trimming has been done is that the original signature and list footer remain in the quoted text, and/or the PGP signature. We have list archives for the purposes of being able to go back to view the entire thread contents. Thank you. /moderator -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: suggestion: logging for kill filters
Peter Asenbauer wrote: One of my killfilters just finished with an email I would have liked to receive and/or read. During my quest to understand/configure Selective Download, I have created 2 filters and 2 signal string files to load: SPAMkill and SPAMignore. The SPAMignore filter/file is much more restrictive to allow for over-zealous filtering. I leave messages on the server for 1-5 days (mostly 1) and just remember to use dispatcher to check on any ignored messages before deleting them each night. -- Ken Green TheBat! v1.62r, Win2000 SP4 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: suggestion: logging for kill filters
On Wednesday, September 24, 2003 at 9:17:46 AM, Peter Asenbauer wrote in the message suggestion: logging for kill filters mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi everyone, One of my killfilters just finished with an email I would have liked to receive and/or read. I only found out by comparing the log from spampal ... SpamPalLog 030924-135311 -- none [EMAIL PROTECTED] SpamPalLog [EMAIL PROTECTED] Confirmation -- send email when the item is in stock ... with TB!'s log TB!'s_log 24.09.2003, 13:53:11: FETCH - 1 messages in the mailbox, 0 new TB!'s_log 24.09.2003, 13:53:12: FETCH - connection finished - 0 messages received I have some 16 killfilters, all of which refer to external textfiles, and they (the textfiles!) total to some 37k. Up to now I failed to spot the reason, why this mail has been killed. A more detailed log would definitly make my search easier. Would you also like to have log list the reason(s) why any mail has been deleted on the server? Is there sufficient interest to add the matter to the wishlist? I think that that would be a great feature. If the developers were feeling particularly energetic, they could put a Verbose Logging option on the Options or Advanced tab in the Sorting Office/Filters. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Error, no keyboard-press F1 to continue. Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Suggestion
Hello Peter, On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 01:42:30 +0200 GMT (05/09/2003, 06:42 +0700 GMT), Peter Fjelsten wrote: Would it not be nice to be able to set a line height in the preferences for showing messages? I don't understand this. Would you care to elaborate? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Important warning for aircraft pilots: Teeth that have been improperly filled cause problems with altitude or rapid decompressions. The higher pressure under the filling will cause excruciating pain and in rare instances can cause the tooth to explode. An exploding tooth would be distracting. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Suggestion
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Ciprian, @16-Jul-2003, 14:00 +0300 (12:00 UK time) Ciprian Trofin [CT] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: CT Now my suggestion: can The Bat! be modified to accept a list of CT SMTP servers for each account? If one fails, the program will CT automatically use the next and I won't have to change my SMTP CT settings each time I use a different dial-up ISP. X-Ray will do that for you - see: http://www.xrayapp.com - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBPxUxKTnkJKuSnc2gEQKengCg0dNYvNZC9eV8DclMVfj8IULxonIAnRTy YDW1uQapDY7Dq2iwUxtGunW6 =PtwB -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Suggestion
Hello Ciprian Thank you for your email dated Wednesday, July 16, 2003, 12:00:44 PM, in which you wrote: CT Now my suggestion: can The Bat! be modified to accept a list of SMTP CT servers for each account? http://www.mailutilities.com/ars/ will take you to a product that might help. -- Regards William http://www.residues.info Flying with The Bat! www.ritlabs.com/the_bat Windows 2000 Pro 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Suggestion
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciprian Trofin, [CT] wrote: CT Now my suggestion: can The Bat! be modified to accept a list of SMTP CT servers for each account? If one fails, the program will CT automatically use the next and I won't have to change my SMTP CT settings each time I use a different dial-up ISP. I have a feeling that such functionality will be a long time if ever in coming. XRay does offer a solution that may help you. You can get it here: http://www.xrayapp.com/ The online help isn't as detailed as the readme file that comes with the install. Here's an excerpt from the readme: ,- [ ] | X-Ray could automatically select SMTP-server from a specified list | accordingly to current IP address. It is necessary to create a record | for every IP-range with values: | | * Server: SMTP server, which should be used for given provider; | * Network Subnet mask: definition of IP-range of the given provider. `- Getting the IP range isn't so bad. You can take your current IP and do a lookup on it. Usually the port range is given as part of the information. So when you connect to a particular ISP, XRay will know which one based on your current IP and automatically use the appropriate SMTP server. - -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBPxU2l1fJ62ArBxfiEQJzugCgl8TZUQA81Nlpf465M4jz2ORUxm8AoLjX HHT6NgrdqH9QrcAJdK8FOYzi =Ct48 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Suggestion (RegEx Tester)
Hello Marcus Ohlström ! On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 14:10:53 +0200 GMT your local time, which was 14.07.2002, 14:10 (GMT+0200) where I live, you wrote: I could find no links to a 'regex tester', but found the one (searching google) that gets integrated with the Bat's help dialog I missinterpreted this, I thought Tack had found a regex tester integrated somewhere in the help file you get if you hit F1. I couldn't find this myself and therefore asked my question. Well, Dirk's regex tester does exactly this as long as you do not use the HTML-version. If you hit F1 you get an additional tab panel I have followed Gerd's regex tutorial carefully (which I'm sure Gerd could verify), it's not that I'm not - as you state - in earnest about reading the tutorial. Verified!! :-))) I finished the last part, but I can't get it copied from my laptop :-( Keep fingers crossed ;-)) -- Best regards, Gerd === Tutorial PGP and TB! and How to Use Regular Expressions in TB! at www.pro-privacy.de --- An expert is someone who knows some of the worst mistakes that can be made in his subject and how to avoid them. (Werner Heisenberg) --- now playing: WDR2 :-) Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Suggestion (RegEx Tester)
Hello Tack ! On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 08:01:03 +0100 GMT your local time, which was 14.07.2002, 09:01 (GMT+0200) where I live, you wrote: In 'The Bat FAQ/Regular expression tutorial', several references are made to a 'regex tester'. I could find no links to a 'regex tester', but found the one (searching google) that gets integrated with the Bat's help dialog. I think this could be better documented? Hmmm, if you mean the tutorial, there was a documentation. ,-- [ Tutorial ] | You have to download a DLL written by Dirk Heiser | | (http://www.Dirk-Heiser.de/RegExTest/RegExTest_V0.3beta.zip) | | and copy it into your TB-directory. Then, when you open the TB-help, | you will find a tabfolder called RegEx. Or, if you are using the | CHM-Version of the help (this probably applies only to the German | version), you can use this DLL by creating a link on your desktop | which opens the DLL: | | %windir%\system32\rundll32.exe your_pathregextest.dll, Run '-- But I think you mean that this is not documented in TB itself. Well, the regex tester is a private program and not an official feature of Ritlabs. Maybe Dirk might find some interest to offer it Ritlabs. Have a nice weekend -- Best regards, Gerd === Tutorial PGP and TB! and How to Use Regular Expressions in TB! at www.pro-privacy.de --- Money may be the husk of many things, but not the kernel. It buys you food, but not appetite; medicine, but not health; acquaintances, but not friends; servants, but not loyalty; days of joy, but not peace or happiness. Henrik Ibsen --- now playing: WDR2 :-) Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Suggestion (RegEx Tester)
On Sunday, July 14, 2002, 09:01, Tack wrote: In 'The Bat FAQ/Regular expression tutorial', several references are made to a 'regex tester'. I could find no links to a 'regex tester', but found the one (searching google) that gets integrated with the Bat's help dialog. Where do you find this regex tester? I've searched the help file with no luck. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Suggestion (RegEx Tester)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Tack, @14 July 2002, 10:01 +0100 Tack [T] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Gerd Ewald: GE But I think you mean that this is not documented in TB itself. Well, GE the regex tester is a private program and not an official feature of GE Ritlabs. Maybe Dirk might find some interest to offer it Ritlabs. T What I meant to say was... T The Bat's help menu has a link to the 'Unofficial Faq page' at... T http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBFAQ.html : which has a link to T the 'Regular expression tutorial' at... T http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Regex.html : which makes several T references like Try it in the regex tester., but does not tell you T where to find the regex tester. Yes it does! That's what Gerd said. Right there on the first page in section 3. T IMHO, I think a link to download 'RegExTest_V0.3beta.zip' should be T included in the tutorial. ;-) It is. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.90-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9MUP9OeQkq5KdzaARAuaCAJ9hDarlKrkk2zqO0IcPyiMzOWOjVgCgpjQY RTRlM+E2o1uxpIEgRBeIBww= =Gcfq -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Suggestion (RegEx Tester)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Marcus, @14 July 2002, 11:07 +0200 (10:07 UK time) Marcus Ohlström [MO] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: In 'The Bat FAQ/Regular expression tutorial', several references are made to a 'regex tester'. I could find no links to a 'regex tester', but found the one (searching google) that gets integrated with the Bat's help dialog. MO Where do you find this regex tester? I've searched the help file with MO no luck. See http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/regex.html#patterns and you will be referred to: http://www.Dirk-Heiser.de/RegExTest/RegExTest.zip BTW - if you guys were in earnest about reading the tutorial you'd have found the link! - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.90-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9MUWhOeQkq5KdzaARAk6zAKCEG1HuifMBkpFcmySwkexjfhM3GwCfWzrA A+kGmKax8Jj2k0WSnq4RwJ4= =sjdI -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Suggestion (RegEx Tester)
On Sunday, July 14, 2002, 11:34, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MO Where do you find this regex tester? I've searched the help file MO with no luck. See http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/regex.html#patterns and you will be referred to: http://www.Dirk-Heiser.de/RegExTest/RegExTest.zip BTW - if you guys were in earnest about reading the tutorial you'd have found the link! I did find the regex tester when Gerd Ewald first posted the regex tutorial to this list. What I asked about was Tack's statement: I could find no links to a 'regex tester', but found the one (searching google) that gets integrated with the Bat's help dialog I missinterpreted this, I thought Tack had found a regex tester integrated somewhere in the help file you get if you hit F1. I couldn't find this myself and therefore asked my question. I have followed Gerd's regex tutorial carefully (which I'm sure Gerd could verify), it's not that I'm not - as you state - in earnest about reading the tutorial. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Suggestion
Hello Serge, On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 at 21:23:34 [GMT +0100] (which was 21:23 where I live) you wrote: SLD Salut bbx ! SLD A french mailing liste about TB exists on : SLD mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=subscribe_thebat Je ne savais pas ;) but yes, there is a couple of french user here, on TbTech and TbBeta. -- Regards, Alain [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! 1.54 Beta/42 Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Suggestion
On Wednesday, February 20, 2002, 18:36:12, Peter Palmreuther wrote: Bad idea ... there're regular expressions around build exactly for this purpose: stripping these killers off. Hi Peter, can you give me a hint? I'd like a regex like that to strip this prepended sh...stuff from another mailing list. Is there any way to fix broken references (the kind Outl**k produces)? Roman -- Roman Katzer, Aachen, Germany It takes more than three weeks to prepare a good impromptu speech. -- Mark Twain -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Suggestion
Hi Tia, On Wednesday, February 20, 2002, 13:20:43, bbx wrote: As I've subscribed to many ML, I'd suggest to put in the Object field e.g. [tbudl], just to know which list I receive from. Nah, I'm against that. The reason is that you can easily set up filters to sort incoming messages into their respective folders. Plus, when prepending a [whatever] to messages, subjects inevitably get messed up. Ever seen one of these? Subject: Re: [waldorf] RE: Re: [waldorf] [ot] Midi cables (was: Re: [waldorf] long delay possible on XT?) No? Be happy. You have to scroll to the end of the line or click the message to read the subject. All because some people don't figure out to set their mail filter to filter by To: instead of subject. Some might not even have figured out the concept of filters. Let's not get into details. Regards, Roman -- Roman Katzer, Aachen, Germany A great ring of pure and endless light dazzles the darkness in my heart, and breaks apart the dusky clouds of night; the end of all is hinted in the start. -- Madeleine L'Engle -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Suggestion
Hello Roman. At 10:10 AM on Thursday, February 21, 2002 you wrote the following about Suggestion: Roman Ever seen one of these? Subject: Re: [waldorf] RE: Re: [waldorf] [ot] Midi cables (was: Re: [waldorf] long delay possible on XT?) That's pretty funny - gave me a good laugh this morning. :-) Thanks. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.54 Beta/40/W2K_SP2/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Suggestion
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Re: Suggestion
On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 at 13:20 GMT +0100 (20/02/2002 19:20 where you think I live) bbx=[b] wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] : As I've subscribed to many ML, I'd suggest to put in the Object field e.g. [tbudl], just to know which list I receive from. For example, - This is just an idea - i received today an object msg titled: [keriofirewall] Where to go for Help? I think It's more clear (can we say clearer?). No :-) Suppose you made filter under subject tag, and you forward message from one list to another list, then the message back from second list will goes to first folder list :-) IMHO, with the power of TB! filtering, subject tag is waste. Look complete header (shift-ctrl-K) if you need info about list administration help. -- Best regards, - Syafril - mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Flying with The Bat! 1.54 Beta/41 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Suggestion
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Re: Suggestion
On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 at 12:32 GMT + (20/02/2002 19:32 where you think I live) Marck D Pearlstone=[MDP] wrote to bbx on TBUDL : LS0tLS1CRUdJTiBQR1AgU0lHTkVEIE1FU1NBR0UtLS0tLQ0KSGFzaDogU0hBMQ0KDQpIaSBUQlVE TCwNCg0KT24gMjAgRmVicnVhcnkgMjAwMiBhdCAxMzoyMDo0MyArMDEwMCAod2hpY2ggd2FzIDEy Uh oh..what happen Marck ? -- Best regards, - Syafril - mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Flying with The Bat! 1.54 Beta/41 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Suggestion
Hello Marck, On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:32:42 +GMT (20-2-2002, 13:32 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: MDP LS0tLS1CRUdJTiBQR1AgU0lHTkVEIE1FU1NBR0UtLS0tLQ0KSGFzaDogU0hBMQ0KDQpIaSBUQlVE I suppose securebat is messing up. -- Groetjes, Roelof -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Suggestion
Hello bbx, On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:20:43 +0100GMT (20-2-2002, 13:20 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: b As I've subscribed to many ML, I'd suggest to put in the Object field b e.g. [tbudl], just to know which list I receive from. The To header mentions the list. Besides the most sensible way to separate lists is to filter them into different folders. I receive different lists too and IMNSHO I see way too many users making a mess of areatags. They're an option for low traffic lists, with no reply possibillities but otherwise? No. -- Groetjes, Roelof -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Suggestion
Hi bbx, As I've subscribed to many ML, I'd suggest to put in the Object field e.g. [tbudl], just to know which list I receive from. Why don't you use the address in the To filed? It clearly identifies this list. Subject tags are only useful and used, when several mailing lists are run from a same server and the To address (or the From) is the same for all of them. Adding your suggested subject tag would be redundant informatuion for this list. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.53d ** Scanned by MailScan Content-Security and Anti-Virus Software. Visit http://www.mwti.net for more info on eScan and MailScan. ** -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Suggestion
Hello Marck, On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 at 12:32:42 [GMT +] (which was 13:32 where I live) you wrote: MDP LS0tLS1CRUdJTiBQR1AgU0lHTkVEIE1FU1NBR0UtLS0tLQ0KSGFzaDogU0hBMQ0KDQpIaSBUQlVE It's base64 encoded :) MDP -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- MDP Hash: SHA1 MDP MDP Hi TBUDL, MDP MDP On 20 February 2002 at 13:20:43 +0100 (which was 12:20 where I live) MDP bbx wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MDP As I've subscribed to many ML, I'd suggest to put in the Object field e.g. [tbudl], just to know which list I receive from. MDP For example, - This is just an idea - i received today an object msg titled: [keriofirewall] Where to go for Help? MDP I think It's more clear (can we say clearer?). MDP MDP In a word - no. (well, yes we can say either more clear or clearer MDP although not more clearer, but we won't change the subject format). MDP MDP You use The Bat! - use the filter recommended in the Welcome message MDP for this list to differentiate your mail. Use a distinctive colour MDP group to highlight messages from different lists. Impose those colours MDP with filters. Then go back and ask the other list admins to take off MDP the [listname] 'cos once you've got decent filter sets in place you'll MDP find the waste of Subject column space in the message list as MDP infuriating as the rest of us do! ;-) MDP MDP (no offence intended - it's an old topic, been thrashed out before). MDP MDP - -- MDP Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator MDP ___ MDP \ BrainStorm - Super brain -from http://www.brainstormsw.com / MDP \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / MDP · MDP SB! v1.54 Beta/39/iKey1000-5523848F0B1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · MDP -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- MDP Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) MDP MDP iD8DBQE8c5dsOeQkq5KdzaARAkWzAKCKukwg7LwhgrSQiBitjJQae9JPywCgmVSK MDP EvY0/r0NwJivmWdKn06xGP4= MDP =LVcR MDP -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Regards, Alain [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! 1.54 Beta/40 Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Suggestion
Hi Marck, MDP LS0tLS1CRUdJTiBQR1AgU0lHTkVEIE1FU1NBR0UtLS0tLQ0KSGFzaDogU0hBMQ0KDQpIaSBUQlVE MDP TCwNCg0KT24gMjAgRmVicnVhcnkgMjAwMiBhdCAxMzoyMDo0MyArMDEwMCAod2hpY2ggd2FzIDEy MDP OjIwIHdoZXJlIEkgbGl2ZSkNCmJieCB3cm90ZSBpbiBtaWQ6MTI1MzEyNjUwOTYuMjAwMjAyMjAx [...] do you remember my mail regarding the missing Content-Transfer-Encoding: X-Header in this list... This was base64 encoded. ,- [ Marck's mail ] | -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- | Hash: SHA1 | | Hi TBUDL, | | On 20 February 2002 at 13:20:43 +0100 (which was 12:20 where I live) | bbx wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | As I've subscribed to many ML, I'd suggest to put in the Object | field e.g. [tbudl], just to know which list I receive from. | | For example, - This is just an idea - i received today an object msg | titled: [keriofirewall] Where to go for Help? | | I think It's more clear (can we say clearer?). | | In a word - no. (well, yes we can say either more clear or clearer | although not more clearer, but we won't change the subject format). | | You use The Bat! - use the filter recommended in the Welcome message | for this list to differentiate your mail. Use a distinctive colour | group to highlight messages from different lists. Impose those colours | with filters. Then go back and ask the other list admins to take off | the [listname] 'cos once you've got decent filter sets in place you'll | find the waste of Subject column space in the message list as | infuriating as the rest of us do! ;-) | | (no offence intended - it's an old topic, been thrashed out before). | | - -- | Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator | ___ | \ BrainStorm - Super brain -from http://www.brainstormsw.com / | \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / | · | SB! v1.54 Beta/39/iKey1000-5523848F0B1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- | Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) | | iD8DBQE8c5dsOeQkq5KdzaARAkWzAKCKukwg7LwhgrSQiBitjJQae9JPywCgmVSK | EvY0/r0NwJivmWdKn06xGP4= | =LVcR | -END PGP SIGNATURE- `- -- Best regards, Carsten The Bat! (v1.54 Beta/41) Business Windows 2000 5.0 (Build 2195) Service Pack 2, PGP 0xe2d25323 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Suggestion
Hello bbx! On Wednesday, February 20, 2002 at 1:20:43 PM you wrote: I think It's more clear (can we say clearer?). Pleas: No! -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/41 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Sonar no cuesta nada (Träumen kostet nichts.). -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Suggestion
Hello Bbx, On Wednesday, February 20, 2002 at 1:20:43 PM you wrote (at least in part): b As I've subscribed to many ML, I'd suggest to put in the Object field b e.g. [tbudl], just to know which list I receive from. Bad idea ... there're regular expressions around build exactly for this purpose: stripping these killers off. I don't need them, it's only a waste of desktop space in my subject column. Filter mails from different mailing lists to different folders and there's no problem recognizing what object the mail is of. This list e.g. is filtered on my side by checking for presence of 'Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]' in headers (Kludges), gets moved to a dedicated folder and I'm done. b I think It's more clear (can we say clearer?). Of course you can, you can even write it ... see, you already did it ... but you should repeat it :-) It sounds bastard :-) -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.54 Beta/40 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1) Two can Live as Cheaply as One for Half as Long. - Howard Kandel -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: suggestion for WinGate
Hi Can, On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, at 18:49:59 [GMT +] you wrote: JS Problems with WinGate: CBC i used WinGate for some months (if we are talking about DeerField's). CBC the best way is to use no proxies.. Install it on the server and CBC install Wingate Internet Connection Client to other machines and do CBC not make any modifications to clients, that proggy will handle CBC everything and your machine will work just like dialup connection CBC without any proxy, ip setting etc. [...] Majority of opinion received suggested using ICS which I am now doing. It is working well (except for a firewall problem), most importantly I have no mail problems. As a additional point of interest, I asked the support guys at deerfield.com if they had tested WinGate with the TB! I was rather surprised when they relied and said that they'd never heard of The Bat. Need I say that I've pointed then in the right direction (http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/) in an attempt to educate them! -- www.turnet.co.uk Wales (UK) TB! ver:1.53d / Platform:Windows XP Home, Build 2600 / Spec:Plll 650Mhz 320MB RAM -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Suggestion
Hello *Kevin*, An archeological dig discovered that on Wednesday, October 24, 2001 at 18:52 GMT +0100, *Kevin* [K] typed the following: K Hi TB! Users, K Small Sugestion - What about Default Folder Tabs? - For Example; When K i make a new folder it seems to come with the To Tab at the top... I K already know who its going to, so i usually remove it, but i deal with K tonnes of folders,s o this may be quite useful. Are you talking about the message list headers? Check out the Use Account Default Column settings option in the folder properties. For every folder that uses this option, the column settings are the same. You can change the default layout by altering of the folders using the default column settings. Note: This doesn't (yet?) work across accounts. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Using The Bat! 1.54/10 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Suggestion
Ciao -=/, Tuesday, January 16, 2001, 9:46:52 AM, you wrote: EV I am a new user of the Bat! and I come from PMMail. The only thing EV that I miss of PMMail is that you can insert the recipient of a EV messagge simply clicking with the right-mouse-button on the To: (or EV CC: or BCC:) field...I find it is very pratical and quick method to send EV messages, faster than the current of The Bat!... VERY interesting... C Try using the alias from the address-book. That works even faster! Alias in C the TO-field, followed by the tab-key, and off you go... works like a charm. Hum... can u explain better pls (a sample ?) :-) ? -- eMail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] eMail su cellulare: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB : http://www.zamprogno.com - http://www.zamprogno.it ICQ : 3813299 Per vedere un orologiaio al lavoro vai a: To see a watchmaker at work go to: http://www.edisons.it/time/cam/webcam.htm -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Suggestion for recipients' fields
Hello Andrew, I'm replying to this on TBUDL. When you open your address book, you will see the columns Name / Favourite / Email. Tickmark any address as "favourite". Then open a new message window and right-click in the TO field. This Email Adress comes up as a suggestion. I have about five email addresses marked as "favourites", which makes it very quick. ;-) And yes, the help needs some updating. :-( On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:30:42 +1100GMT (16/01/2001, 18:30 +0800GMT), Andrew wrote: A Hello Thomas, A Tuesday, January 16, 2001, 8:00:56 PM, you wrote: T Hello Emmanuele, T On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:41:41 +0100GMT (16/01/2001, 16:41 +0800GMT), T Emmanuele Vigni wrote: EV I am a new user of the Bat! and I come from PMMail. The only thing EV that I miss of PMMail is that you can insert the recipient of a EV messagge simply clicking with the right-mouse-button on the To: (or EV CC: or BCC:) field...I find it is very pratical and quick method to send EV messages, faster than the current of The Bat!... EV That's all T When I right-click in the TO field, a window will pop up that shows me T all my "favourite" recipients. That's very fast. In fact, a lot faster T than having the whole address book to choose from. T Kindly advise what else you mean. ;-) T (I think we should continue this discussion on TBUDL though, as it has T nothing to do with any current beta version. OTOH there is no current T beta version. So maybe it's OK?) A Boy this help file is uselss. I could find nothing on Alias or A Favourites. A How does one manage these features? They sound very usefull if only I A could access them. A Andrewmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49c under Chinese Windows 98 4. 1998 with a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Suggestion for recipients' fields
Ciao Thomas, Tuesday, January 16, 2001, 11:42:08 AM, you wrote: T When you open your address book, you will see the columns Name / T Favourite / Email. Tickmark any address as "favourite". T Then open a new message window and right-click in the TO field. This T Email Adress comes up as a suggestion. [...] GREAT ! Same as PMMail now :-) Thanks ! T And yes, the help needs some updating. :-( Yes, it's a pity , there are many things into the bat that i don't know and help doesn't mention :-( -- eMail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] eMail su cellulare: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB : http://www.zamprogno.com - http://www.zamprogno.it ICQ : 3813299 Per vedere un orologiaio al lavoro vai a: To see a watchmaker at work go to: http://www.edisons.it/time/cam/webcam.htm -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Suggestion:
Hello Michael, On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, at 13:02:48 h [GMT -0700] you wrote this about "Suggestion:": MSG Does anyone else think it would be useful to be able to view and MSG change properties of address book entries when you access the address MSG book from the to or cc or bcc etc. lines on the the edit window? Yes, indeed. If I receive a message with - say, a changed home address from a person who is already in my AB, I open the reffering AB entry and godda** it, everytime I'm at this point I already have forgotten the new address and can't switch easily between the windows, because TB! won't let me. This might not be a problem if you only have to change a single line in an entry but if you have to change the complete address let me tell you it's a real PITA. Just my 2 cents... -- Best regards, Kari Jakobi MUA: The Bat! 1.48 Beta/8 OS: Windows 98 4.10 Build A on AMD K6-2 450MHz w/ 128MB SDRAM To obtain my PGP-Key send a message to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=PGP-KEY_REQUEST -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Suggestion:
Hi Michael, On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:02:48 -0700GMT (23/11/2000, 04:02 +0800GMT), Michael S. Greenbaum wrote: MSG Does anyone else think it would be useful to be able to view and MSG change properties of address book entries when you access the address MSG book from the to or cc or bcc etc. lines on the the edit window? Yes yes yes. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.47 Halloween Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Suggestion...
Hello Douglas Hinds, On Fri, 6 Oct 2000 22:17:22 -0600 GMT your local time, which was Saturday, October 07, 2000, 11:17:22 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Douglas Hinds wrote: Hello Marco other fellow TB! Users, Friday, October 06, 2000, you stated: sorry, Douglas Hinds [EMAIL PROTECTED] I cannot send any mail to that address, all bounce. It says my ip is on a reject list. Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.47 Beta/5 with Windows NT mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Suggestion...
Hello Deryk Lister, On Sat, 7 Oct 2000 19:22:42 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, October 08, 2000, 1:22:42 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Deryk Lister wrote: Hi tracer, On Saturday 07/10/2000 at 18:05, you wrote: Douglas Hinds [EMAIL PROTECTED] I cannot send any mail to that address, all bounce. It says my ip is on a reject list. That usually happens when you're using some nifty program that sends email direct. You should use your ISP's SMTP server to avoid it... I am using the proper smtp, we even checked the orb last night to see if the mentioned ip was in it. We think prodigy has been hit by a spammer and maintains its own banlist. Anyway, it wasnt meant as a discussion, just to let Douglas know as he wrote in this thread why he isnt getting any answers. he can ask his isp... Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.47 Beta/5 with Windows NT mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Suggestion...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Marco and everyone else... MQ Although I greatly enjoy and appreciate the effort Stephan and Max put MQ into releasing new versions of TB!... how about we all get together and MQ boycott further 1.x versions? *grin* Why? To stimulate the release of v2? It is my understanding that through the new features introduced lately in 1.x we are being given a sneak preview as to what v2 will be. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Encryption. It's what's for dinner. iQA/AwUBOd1swa2yGRAwhL7EEQIyMQCdEDy40jK1bzstbNpnaP4U67MaZtwAn302 tep7qMVCahvPkjiVnX7ghlTI =ROtq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Jason Thompson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key ID: 0x3084BEC4 [The Bat! v1.47 Beta/5] --- Jesus saves!... ...By using double coupons and shopping wisely. //The Bat! v1.47 Beta/5 //Win98 v4.10 build 1998 //AMD K6-2 400mhz 128mb -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Suggestion...
Hello Marco Qualizza, On Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:37:08 -0400 GMT your local time, which was Friday, October 06, 2000, 7:37:08 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Marco Qualizza wrote: Besides, who here believes that there will be no v2.x's, or that we won't see any v2.x betas released? *grin* Of course, this is all just my opinion(/experience)... But I think that they said v2 was supposed to be ready for the spring, and now it's already fall... _something_ has to be holding them up, and I honestly believe that all of their excellent work on v1 could be a major part of that something. I would suspect that a major part of what we have as V1 will slide straight into the v2 code... But yes, maybe it would help sticking that beta of v2 on the server... Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.47 Beta/5 with Windows NT mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Suggestion...
Hello Marco other fellow TB! Users, Friday, October 06, 2000, you stated: MQ Although I greatly enjoy and appreciate the effort Stephan and Max put MQ into releasing new versions of TB!... how about we all get together and MQ boycott further 1.x versions? *grin* MQ Focusing on v2 is the reason that I suggested it. While I can see your point, there have been *signifcant* improvements to TB! made since v. 1.36 (I can't speak for earlier ones) in terms of speed, colors file size (among others - I'm not up to date yet) *at no cost*. Upgrading to v. 2.0 will almost certainly involve a cash outlay and I can't can't say I mind Stef and Max taking the time to get it right before putting it on the market. As other's have pointed out, much of what v 2 will contain has been added continually to v. 1.x MQ ... since they're developing for v1, they have to do it all MQ twice. I assume that what's been incorporated into v.1 is what's most compatible w/ it - that which required the least amount of re-engineering. MQ implement, test and debug a feature on v1, and then, MQ depending how the v2 code differences affect the implementation, MQ re-implement, re-test and re-debug it all... Ask them. (I myself assume the know what they're doing and it's their baby, in any case. Besides, I know for a fact that they're open to suggestions) MQ Besides, who here believes that there will be no v2.x's, or that we MQ won't see any v2.x betas released? *grin* MQ Of course, this is all just my opinion(/experience)... But I think that MQ they said v2 was supposed to be ready for the spring, It was supposed to be ready at the beginning of the year but once again, this here isn't M$ and I for one would rather they got it right and meanwhile, keep the upgrades coming. MQ and now it's already fall... _something_ has to be holding them MQ up, and I honestly believe that all of their excellent work on MQ v1 could be a major part of that something. Maybe so, but does it really matter? TB! users have not been left out in the cold - we're got a damn functional client on hand (IMHO). Douglas Hinds -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Suggestion re spam mail
Sunday, August 13, 2000, 11:43:57 AM, you wrote:
JP Hi fellow Bat! fans,
JP In Gravity News Reader there is a "bozo bin" option to dump a sender
JP without making a filter. Each bozo can be edited as to length of
JP the bozo bin filter etc.
JP I am getting more more spam these days, and I am sure this idea
JP would help a lot of Bat! users, or is there another way to handle
JP these pests?
Do you ever get two spams from the same email address though? It
rarely happens because the from address is almost always fake. This is
useful on newsgroups for ignoring people, but less useful for spam. A
better idea is to pick some creative filters.
I have two filters:
A lot of spam mentions some supposed email bill, so this works nicely
1) Location: Text
String: Section 301
Presence: Yes
Move messages to: spam
Set colour to: brown
A lot of spam gets sent directly to my ISPs server, usually from
someone on a dial-up, using software that does DNS lookups on email
addresses and telnets into the destination server directly. These
emails will only have a single "Received" header usually. It excludes
email from my ISP which might legitimately only have one Received
header, and notifications about large attachments from The Bat.
2) Location: Kludges
String: ((?s)Received.*){2,}
Presence: No
and
Location: Sender
String: (.*freeserve.*)|(Bat)
Presence: No
Use regular expressions.
Action as above
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Re: suggestion- / wish-list
Tuesday, January 18, 2000, 7:48:38 PM, Thomas wrote: As a programmer, I don't understand why you would not appreciate the virual space Sure, space over to where I want, go up, add code in another block, drop back down, spaces are gone. :) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: suggestion- / wish-list
Tuesday, January 18, 2000, 11:14:54 PM, Oleg wrote: Ïîæèâåì -- óâèäèì. We'll live -- we'll see. Real life is not always what a child of 5 will grasp. I have strong doubts that this ideal scheme is implementable in real life. No, it isn't. But then considering the concept, this is one case when it is. As for the ideal why not? It has already been implemented several times. Both Pine and PMMail come to mind. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: suggestion- / wish-list
On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:06:20 +0400, Oleg Zalyalov wrote: [..snip..] That is not a problem with external editor which allow scripting. The problems begin only when you use macros which use information unavailable to external editor, just because it's external. One of examples is %OATTACHMENTS macro. Not the only but the most useful for me. Tha fact that Steve don't need it is not an argument. So what's your axe against TB! supporting an external editor? That they would neglect to further develop the internal one that you prefer to use? -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ What you enjoy is much more important than what you have. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: suggestion- / wish-list
Hi Tom, On 18 January 2000 at 17:50:56 GMT -0800 (which was 01:50 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: AVK Please, don't do this! Maybe as an option only;-) It's thel AVK thing I like *most* in TB's editor, morethenthat, I use *only* AVK the editors that support this... MDP Agreed, completely. TP Well, you two aren't typical Windows users. As it goes, virtual TP spacel has some people who like it and others who don't. Tom - that's not reasonable. We're both *very different users* who happen to agree on this point. TP That said, if I could map the BRIEF keys to operations, I wouldn't TP mind it 'cause that's what I'm used to when programming. However, TP the abortion known as the Borland keymap mixed with CUA really TP doesn't help me use virtual space. If you have ever used Brief (and not just its' key mappings) then virtual space is something you *should* know how to use effectively - and it *can* be used effectively, especially for formatting plain text email. MDP grumblemumble Might I humbly suggest you use TB as an e-mail MDP client a while longer. TP Why, so these feelings get reinforced? No - so that you can begin to understand the power of the virtual space for plain text formatting. With space cansome things. virtual you do interesting Without it - no possibility. TP Seriously, the reason I don't like virtual space have nothing to TP do with the fact that I'm not used to it. Now you're not making any sense. With virtual space - plain text formatting; without it - Tom is happier. It has everything to do with what you are used to. TP I HATE being required to use the mouse. Then you're not using virtual space correctly. I never touch the mouse in TB when editing. In fact, the only time virtual space is a nuisance for me is when the mouse gets dragged into editing (eek - a pun - curses; I thought I was cured). MDP The editor is one thing that suddenly leaps out as being very MDP well suited to the job it does for the /type of information/ it MDP works on. TP No better suited than an editor without virtual space. And I believe you're missing the point because of old prejudices. TP I mean seriously, any text editor probably does a fine job at TP editing text files. However, to have the broadest appeal you have TP to appeal to the broadest market. As Thomas said in his reply - the broadest market is not what is available here - the free clients soak that one up. MDP IMHO "Many other popular apps" do not have to work on MDP semi-formatted plain text in anything like the same way. TP In my memory, emacs does a fine job, is more configurable, and has TP more features. Now we've got back to the "use an external editor" option. I'm just trying to point out aspects of TB's internal editor which you may have missed. There's nothing to stop you firing up emacs and using CP to take the edited text back and forth between the emacs and TB until an external editor option is introduced for TB (if ever). MDP "Don't bloat The Bat!". :-) TP Hmm, glad that's your opinion because any intelligent programmer TP wouldn't have set the system up to require a plethora of TP underlying conditional coding to subvert the editor. It depends on what the aims of the programmer were in the first place and how sprawling the cursor placement logic is in the code. TP ... the poor-man's EOL follower in place, and that is NOT what is TP commonly known as "bloat." It may well be a simple option to add ... if so then I withdraw my objection to it being optional. OTOH if it adds more than 1kb of code I would personally call that too expensive a gesture merely to placate the die hard CUA fans who haven't yet really discovered the power of the TB editor's formatting capabilities. -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY - Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
