Re: Stops Picking Up Mail ...
Hello Adam Rykala, On Sun, 22 Sep 2002 22:17:44 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Monday, September 23, 2002, 4:17:44 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Adam Rykala wrote: Sh'mae tbudl-bounces, On Sun, 22 Sep 2002, at 22:11:20 [GMT +0100] (or 22:11 in Wales) regarding 'Stops Picking Up Mail ...' you wrote: MDP Hi Paul, PC I did a search and found akamaitech.net, but I'm not sure I can figure out PC what to block, the range of IPs??? I have TPF, Tiny firewall installed, and PC it does give you the option of blocking an IP, range... anyway, this looks PC like a nice TBOT topic ;) MDP It should probably continue there. MDP F'up to TBOT Just a quicky before you go OT Open up your hosts file in windows and add whatever.akamaitech.net127.0.0.1 Does the job I used to stick anything not wanted in that file, like sex and other sites which may keep popping up. Whats the equivalent under XP? By the way default nameee isnt an active hostfile, read info in it, it needs renaming. -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.60q mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] C.C.S. Associates FAX (USA): (208) 460-3753 pgp 6.5.3 : 0x909D9B10 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Stops Picking Up Mail ...
Hello tracer! On Thursday, September 26, 2002 at 6:09:02 AM you wrote: By the way default nameee isnt an active hostfile, read info in it, it needs renaming. Just a small question: Have you ever considered cutting non-vital information from messages you reply to? -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Zoo.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.61 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Blessed are the censors; they shall inhibit the earth. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi T'Buddlers, I thought you'd like to see this, sent to me off-list... This could be the cause of your connection woes, if not 100% of the cause, at least a major portion from what I have seen. I have experienced very similar issues with Outlook Express, Outlook and Incredimail as well as general web browsing (IE6x). Didn't matter what e-mail client. The story I have a cable modem from AOL/TimeWarner and have experienced random disconnect problems...connections LOST in the middle of browsing, email clients hanging, etc. I have multiple IE browsers open and all of a sudden connections go away...I can't hit sites I was just at I clicked on a link and boom...DNS/Timeout errors...The internet hangs as well as email clients. I did have physical connection problems and have had it fixed. I thought my problem were gone...not! I am running Windows 2000 (SP3) and still had issues (Incredimail (or Outlook, etc.) was also losing itself). Didn't matter what program I was using or what site I was at. Discovery: I ran a netstat from my CMD window and noticed multiple servers from a network called akamai.net were connected to my computer and were connected to about 20+ TCP/UDP ports on my box and they were waiting for responses. Some connections were time_wait, established connections, etc.! I said, who the he!! is that! So I went to www.arin.net to identify the entire network block (through an IP number lookup) and decided to BLOCK that entire IP Address range using ZoneAlarm Pro (my firewall). Once I did, I was amazed that just about EVERY web page out there uses akamai.net and pictures were NOW NOT being displayed. However, my internet connection was lightning fast! I kept an eye on akamai.net (via netstat) and started blocking all of their IP ranges and my connection has improved. More info: Akamai.net is a global web caching proxy and ad tracking agency with smart DNS servers to determine that fastest route (closest akamai.net server) to deliver pictures and web content to you, the user from a particular site. The akamai.net network is a global network consisting of 2500+ (or more) servers across the globe. Here's the strange part...Zonealarm ALSO uses these guys (really freaked me out). After I had blocked the akamai.net network range, Zonealarm told me I needed an update. I said go get it. Well, the download.zonealarm.com was BEING BLOCKED! Holy cow!! I said what?!?!?!?!? Zonealarm Pro itself gave me an message stated that it blocked the g.akamai.net network from my computer, every time I hit the download.zonelabe.com site?!?!?!?! I found out, 100% for sure, that the download.zonelabs.com IS PART OF THE AKAMAI.NET network BLOCK!!! WHAT?!?!?! It is like one of those jokes you hear about, Norton, Mcafee are writing viruses so you buy their products. I know Zonealarm is using akamai.net for displaying their ads and distributing software BUTthey sell Ad Blocking software to prevent that crap!?!?!? HUH!?!?!?!?!? I have contacted Zonelabs and asked them about this; i.e. this is a major conflict of interest from my perspective and I have heard nothing back from them for over 5 days now...Hm... Long story short... Check your netstat and see who is connecting to your computer. Perhaps the [g.]akimai.net is connected to your ports and sucking up your bandwidth causing random time-outs. What I noticed as far as randomness is that certain sites have a lot of akamai.net links on them and those sites seems to suck up more ports than others. Since I have blocked the akamai.net network from sucking up my ports, my internet connection speeds have increased, however, a lot of web sites look pretty ugly...no pictures since the akamai.net sites are being blocked from sending me their cahced web content. Oh well. Do a search on google.com for more on akamai.net and it's network and blocking it. You may be surprised. Sincerely, Confused Programmer - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta5 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.91-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9jfR1OeQkq5KdzaARAvqqAJ9ec2ZNXOQzEODLRCwy78YiV7ssfQCgjAcH Qf2QiVvxBiCqvr7OtTX5D8c= =e+R+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: Stops Picking Up Mail ...
On Sunday, September 22, 2002, 12:48 PM, you wrote: Hi Marck, I would be VERY interested in the specifics of how he blocked akamai. I did a search and found akamaitech.net, but I'm not sure I can figure out what to block, the range of IPs??? I have TPF, Tiny firewall installed, and it does give you the option of blocking an IP, range... anyway, this looks like a nice TBOT topic ;) thanks, MDP Hi T'Buddlers, MDP I thought you'd like to see this, sent to me off-list... This could be the cause of your connection woes, if not 100% of the cause, at least a major portion from what I have seen. More info: Akamai.net is a global web caching proxy and ad tracking agency with smart DNS servers to determine that fastest route (closest akamai.net server) to deliver pictures and web content to you, the user from a particular site. The akamai.net network is a global network consisting of 2500+ (or more) servers across the globe. Here's the strange part...Zonealarm ALSO uses these guys (really freaked me out). After I had blocked the akamai.net network range, Zonealarm told me I needed an update. I said go get it. Well, the download.zonealarm.com was BEING BLOCKED! Holy cow!! I said what?!?!?!?!? Zonealarm Pro itself gave me an message stated that it blocked the g.akamai.net network from my computer, every time I hit the download.zonelabe.com site?!?!?!?! I found out, 100% for sure, that the download.zonelabs.com IS PART OF THE AKAMAI.NET network BLOCK!!! WHAT?!?!?! It is like one of those jokes you hear about, Norton, Mcafee are writing viruses so you buy their products. I know Zonealarm is using akamai.net for displaying their ads and distributing software BUTthey sell Ad Blocking software to prevent that crap!?!?!? HUH!?!?!?!?!? -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.62/Beta5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Stops Picking Up Mail ...
Hi Paul, @22-Sep-2002, 14:22 -0400 (19:22 UK time) Paul Cartwright [PC] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: MDP I thought you'd like to see this, sent to me off-list... After I had blocked the akamai.net network range, ... the download.zonelabs.com IS PART OF THE AKAMAI.NET network BLOCK!!! WHAT?!?!?! PC I would be VERY interested in the specifics of how he blocked PC akamai. I would too, but we're dependent on him replying to this thread. I asked him when he wrote to me if he had intended to write to the list and he said yes. I forwarded his comments out of interest but don't know if he's listening in or whether or not he'd reply... PC I did a search and found akamaitech.net, but I'm not sure I can PC figure out what to block, the range of IPs??? I have TPF, Tiny PC firewall installed, and it does give you the option of blocking PC an IP, range... anyway, this looks like a nice TBOT topic ;) It should probably continue there. F'up to TBOT -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta5 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Stops Picking Up Mail ...
Sh'mae tbudl-bounces, On Sun, 22 Sep 2002, at 22:11:20 [GMT +0100] (or 22:11 in Wales) regarding 'Stops Picking Up Mail ...' you wrote: MDP Hi Paul, PC I did a search and found akamaitech.net, but I'm not sure I can figure out PC what to block, the range of IPs??? I have TPF, Tiny firewall installed, and PC it does give you the option of blocking an IP, range... anyway, this looks PC like a nice TBOT topic ;) MDP It should probably continue there. MDP F'up to TBOT Just a quicky before you go OT Open up your hosts file in windows and add whatever.akamaitech.net127.0.0.1 Does the job a. -- pgp key: [EMAIL PROTECTED] O I'd rather play guitar [EMAIL PROTECTED] /|\ 22:16, 22 September 2002 (o--¬ http://new-wales.net / \ Adam Rykala Uh, I'm-I'm not quite dead, sir. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Stops Picking Up Mail ...
Hello Jonathan, in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] was written: JA On Friday, August 30, 2002, Peter Palmreuther wrote... MDP I think that the client side Socket connection is left open and MDP until it is flagged as closed TB won't open a new one. But how to tell? 'netstat' didn't show me an open socket neither on my client nor on my server when I wan into that trouble. JA Netstat might not show an internal component having an open connection JA if Windows has terminated the connection, and the component didn't JA acknowledge it. So the socket _ain't_ open. the TCP stack does not know anything about it, therefore the socket ain't open, it's only the component that hangs ... my words ... And it was done. If I shut down the daemon listening to port 110 the normal TCP mechanisms stepped in and the connection was terminated with an error message, as it is supposed to be. JA This wasn't the kind of connection termination I was thinking of. The JA daemon in this case drops the connections safely, and reports valid JA terminations... No. I killed it '-9' with no chance to do _anything_. I plugged out the cable, so no chance to report and acknowledge _anything_ -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v1.62/Beta1 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) Diplomacy: The art of letting someone else get your way. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Jonathan, On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:00:35 -0500 GMT (31/08/02, 01:00 +0700 GMT), Jonathan Angliss wrote: JA I was meaning more along the lines of unplugging the PC (if you JA don't mind doing that kind of thing) from the JA switch/dsl/modem/etc. But even in my mind, I have a feeling this JA won't force the error to occur because Windows will report a it JA couldn't connect properly, or the connection terminated. In my appartment, I don't have a direct telephone line yet. I have to dial 9 to get, like in a hotel. The building has 20 lines to be shared by all appartments, so they cut off the connection after 20 minutes (automatically by the PABX computer). This is quite normal in Thailand. Every time I websurf and have TB running on auto-check, the line is cut after 20 minutes. Even if TB is in the middle of a mail-check, I can close TB normally. No open sockets or running tasks with this method. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Reality is a crutch for people who can't face drugs. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Stops Picking Up Mail ...
Hello The You wrote On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, at 20:34:19 [GMT -0700] (13:34:19 Friday, 30 August 2002 where I live):- Shut down THE BAT, and you get the message similar to There are still operations in progress. Want to exit when they are finished? Neither response allows you exit. Killing THE BAT task is the only way out. I'm not alone. Another user is having the same issues as I am. Not having the same firstly reported problem as you, but that annoying operations in progress, yes. I have reported here before. A real pain in the proverbial. -- Regards, John Phillips Sydney, Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] HTML mail spam not welcome. Using Bat! 1.62/Beta1 7BE05C47 - Being used by Windows 98 4.10 Build ASony Vaio Notebook PCG-505TS Pentium 300 64meg ram I guess a cynic smells different. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Friday, August 30, 2002, 2:44:14 AM, you wrote: I cannot recreate it ... and it doesn't happen very often. Maybe once a month; twice at the most. MDP What server are you talking to? Is it local or is it that of an ISP? The server is at Speedhost.com. My friend also experiencing the problem gets his mail too. Didn't figure that information was valuable. Apparently it is! -- Shane R. Monroe Dark Unicorn Productions http://www.darkunicornproductions.com Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Yes, this sounds like my problem as well. Friday, August 30, 2002, 6:37:25 AM, you wrote: TF Hello Shane, TF On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 20:34:19 -0700 GMT (30/08/02, 10:34 +0700 GMT), TF Shane R. Monroe wrote: SRM Sometimes... Out of nowhere ... The Bat just stops picking up mail. SRM Something INTERNAL hangs. NO visible issues - just a strange absence SRM of mail. Shut down THE BAT, and you get the message similar to There SRM are still operations in progress. Want to exit when they are SRM finished? Neither response allows you exit. Killing THE BAT task is SRM the only way out. TF I don't know about the hanging, but it could be your server leading to TF the no-timeout-bug: TF https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view_bug_page.php?f_id=1037 TF Then, when you cannot close TB, it sounds like this: TF http://www.mail-archive.com/tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com/msg15731.html TF or this: TF http://www.mail-archive.com/tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com/msg14667.html TF but that was a beta-bug and I thought it has been fixed. Please advise TF whether the circumstances are the same. -- Shane R. Monroe Dark Unicorn Productions http://www.darkunicornproductions.com Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Shane, @31-Aug-2002, 02:40 -0700 (10:40 UK time) Shane R. Monroe [SRM] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: MDP What server are you talking to? Is it local or is it that of MDP an ISP? SRM The server is at Speedhost.com. My friend also experiencing SRM the problem gets his mail too. SRM Didn't figure that information was valuable. Apparently it is! This issue may be entirely server dependent. The vast majority of users don't see it ever. Since the client software is a common factor throughout and the operating systems don't vary that widely, and although running configurations and additional software can vary widely, these are still easy factors to eliminate. That means it could easily be a server instigated problem. Something the server does is making TB think a closed socket is still open and keep trying to close long after it died. Exactly what is another question. Until we have an exact recipe for reproducing the problem there's no way to produce a bug report that's going to result in a fix. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.91-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9cJQ0OeQkq5KdzaARArpBAKCyBwU2KpXsaGnWRVMTVig6cyQufQCeJ4oJ GUnMiYr5WnkJUkBOaIB90v0= =WtIZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi Thomas, On Sat, 31 Aug 2002 16:14:44 +0700 GMT (Aug 31, 14:59 my local time), you [TF] wrote: TF In my appartment, I don't have a direct telephone line yet. ...snip Do they have cable modem service in BKK these days? -- Be Well, Sudip Pokhrel Sudip Kathmandu-NP. ___PGP Key ID: 0xD93F5185 TB! v1.61 on XP Pro| http://pgpkeys.mit.edu P4-1.6Ghz 256MB RAM| _.. create him. -Arthur C. Clarke Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Sudip, On Sat, 31 Aug 2002 15:58:22 +0545 GMT (31/08/02, 17:13 +0700 GMT), Sudip Pokhrel wrote: SP Do they have cable modem service in BKK these days? No. Broadband is ADSL. If you are lucky, it is ADSL all the way into your house, otherwise it will be ADSL up to the main road, and then switched to conventional telephone line from there into your house. The TOT (Telephone Organisation of Thailand) has a new chairman, and he announced in today's newspaper that they will innovate in order to become Asia's most modern telecom service. So I am waiting for good news... ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Si le travail c'est l'opium du peuple, alors je ne veux pas finir drogué...[ Boris Vian ] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On Sat, 2002-08-31 at 03:01, Peter Palmreuther wrote: JA Netstat might not show an internal component having an open connection JA if Windows has terminated the connection, and the component didn't JA acknowledge it. So the socket _ain't_ open. the TCP stack does not know anything about it, therefore the socket ain't open, it's only the component that hangs ... my words ... It was actually Marck that suggested it may be an internal component that is not recording the disconnect. I cannot however see a method of recreating that issue without maybe the source so I can terminate the connection from inside the environment, and trace through what is going on. I'd still be curious to see if they are using a global boolean to record a connection though. JA This wasn't the kind of connection termination I was thinking of. The JA daemon in this case drops the connections safely, and reports valid JA terminations... No. I killed it '-9' with no chance to do _anything_. I plugged out the cable, so no chance to report and acknowledge _anything_ Hrm... then Windows is sending a valid connection terminate to the client, and it is acknowledging it safely, and terminating the connection. So it is clearly not that. There must be some other factor. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Jonathan, 31--2002, 08:56 -0500 (14:56 UK time) Jonathan Angliss said: It was actually Marck that suggested it may be an internal component that is not recording the disconnect. It was - ... I'd still be curious to see if they are using a global boolean to record a connection though. I frowned on that thought (although it's a possibility) because of TB's multi-threading on the connection side. It would be very difficult to monitor which task would be the last to leave the building and turn out the light. I would say that as an object-oriented piece of software I would make it an incremental count mechanism within the socket class - self maintaining. Hrm... then Windows is sending a valid connection terminate to the client, and it is acknowledging it safely, and terminating the connection. So it is clearly not that. There must be some other factor. The only factor that counts is that TB believes a connection is live that isn't. Something internal to TB is causing it to think that. We don't seem to be reliably able to duplicate the circumstances that would induce it to happen at will. RITlabs haven't a hope in hell of fixing it until we can find one. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.91-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9cNMNOeQkq5KdzaARAnB2AKCfHBhZbGSekpI+pLiTwfqFeTD6uQCgyfC/ 3cbGnK7NJf9XwZt3gA4q0FQ= =yIOU -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Shane, Hi, I am evaluating TB! and this was the first problem I found. SRM This is an old subject, but since I haven't seen anything about it in SRM awhile, I figured I'd give it another go. I am using TB! 1.61 and W2000 SRM Sometimes... Out of nowhere ... The Bat just stops picking up mail. SRM Something INTERNAL hangs. NO visible issues - just a strange absence SRM of mail. Shut down THE BAT, and you get the message similar to There SRM are still operations in progress. Want to exit when they are SRM finished? Neither response allows you exit. Killing THE BAT task is SRM the only way out. I went back and viewed the archive and Ross West had some good ideas that saved me a lot of time. I am using Zone Alarm and found that most of the problems were due to the mail being blocked. I set the mail server name to the trusted zone, no effect. I then entered the server IP instead of the name for TB! and all started to work reliably, I thought. (Although I now can pick up mail on schedule Ross, IIRC, said this wasn't an ideal solution. Any thoughts?) Then I got a similar message to the one above and a hang (but it is very intermittent). I will continue to monitor it. I am also evaluating Eudora and it doesn't have any problems with ZA, but I do prefer The Bat! Just some observations from a brand new user. -- Best regards, David Want Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Jonathan, 29--2002, 23:09 -0500 (05:09 UK time) Jonathan Angliss said: Sometimes... Out of nowhere ... The Bat just stops picking up mail. Something INTERNAL hangs. NO visible issues - just a strange absence of mail. Shut down THE BAT, and you get the message similar to There are still operations in progress. Want to exit when they are finished? Neither response allows you exit. Killing THE BAT task is the only way out. .. then something may occur to terminate the connection prematurely, I think this is what is happening... then that global variable (probably a boolean) is not reset to the state reporting that it is not doing anything. I think that the client side Socket connection is left open and until it is flagged as closed TB won't open a new one. Maybe if somebody that has regular contact with the developers (Marck? Allie?) pose the above theory, It may be worth a BugTraq entry. It never happens to me (Win2k Pro, LAN connect to MDaemon server, polling for mail every 1 minute (that's right - sixty seconds!). I think it requires a POP server on the other end that is capable of losing the connection. MDaemon doesn't appear to be g. I cannot recreate it ... and it doesn't happen very often. Maybe once a month; twice at the most. What server are you talking to? Is it local or is it that of an ISP? Try seeing if you can terminate the connection in an abnormal way, such as 95% the way through picking up the last message, disconnect... *shrugs*... it may have the same effect, or TB! may know how to handle that event properly. That would be an interesting exercise. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.91-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9bz5wOeQkq5KdzaARAoKxAKCBm3xFV1HOraMeVeHakSikZgTn9ACg73RG KKRr4F6Jjoy9Hp9hgAhAaPU= =w7y1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Jonathan Angliss [JA] wrote:' Anyone else have a voice on this? Similar experiences? Possible solutions? JA Maybe if somebody that has regular contact with the developers JA (Marck? Allie?) pose the above theory, they may have another JA stand point to view things from, Me? I can't remember the last time I had direct dialog with any of the developers. :) Personally I've never had this problem and like Marck, TB! on my machine, collects mail from MDaemon on my server across the LAN. TB! polls for mail every 60 secs. and I run it 24/7 as well. I guess it's likely to be a server side issue that TB! no longer addresses gracefully or one solution has created another problem. - -- Allie C Martin \ TB! v1.62/Beta1 Windows XP Pro List Moderator/ PGP Key - http://pub-key.ac-martin.com ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE9b089V8nrYCsHF+IRAt9iAJ41IjpMchn8yXJJw/Dhlvgq+oNlUwCgt7Gu 3ZipbjBDXV5eJuN9En9jFrg= =JNRR -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Allie, On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 at 05:55:56 [GMT -0500], you wrote: ACM Me? I can't remember the last time I had direct dialog with any ACM of the developers. :) That makes three of us! grin ACM Personally I've never had this problem and like Marck, TB! on my ACM machine, collects mail from MDaemon on my server across the LAN. ACM TB! polls for mail every 60 secs. and I run it 24/7 as well. Similar here. Cable connection checking every two minutes. ACM I guess it's likely to be a server side issue that TB! no longer ACM addresses gracefully or one solution has created another problem. It's possible, but either TB isn't sending the Ok, I'm done now message, or the POP3 isn't sending the Ok, that's all I got message. I'm more willing to bet on something client side though as I have five accounts that get checked, and while it generally hung on one particular account, the others sometimes did as well. Got me though. I haven't experienced it since moving everything over to my new box. Cheers, Leif Gregory -- List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 1.61 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a P4 1.6Ghz OC'd to 2.32Ghz with 512MB. Tagline of the day: A bit is the increment by which programmers slowly go mad. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Stops Picking Up Mail ...
On Fri, 2002-08-30 at 04:44, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: .. then something may occur to terminate the connection prematurely, I think this is what is happening... It would certainly make sense ;) We just have to establish a) why it is terminating prematurely, b) how to stop it, and c) how to reset that socket/variable when it does happen. then that global variable (probably a boolean) is not reset to the state reporting that it is not doing anything. I think that the client side Socket connection is left open and until it is flagged as closed TB won't open a new one. Then just swap some of my words around, and you have the same theory as that. Except it appears in 1.6x it displays a message saying you cannot close TB! because the connection is still active. The only reason I have a slight suspicion it is not a socket is because you can always free a socket (socketname.free will release the resources in Delphi), but it may be worth seeing if RitLabs would be willing to release a special version to those having trouble with a hidden menu, which resets the socket, or the global, or however they are checking to see if there is an 'active connection'. Maybe if somebody that has regular contact with the developers (Marck? Allie?) pose the above theory, It may be worth a BugTraq entry. It never happens to me (Win2k Pro, LAN connect to MDaemon server, polling for mail every 1 minute (that's right - sixty seconds!). I think it requires a POP server on the other end that is capable of losing the connection. MDaemon doesn't appear to be g. I cannot get it to happen to mine either, and I'm in arms reach of one of my mail servers (litterally I spin around on my chair, and I can touch it), this machine is another one, and my 3rd one is back home in the UK. Try seeing if you can terminate the connection in an abnormal way, such as 95% the way through picking up the last message, disconnect... *shrugs*... it may have the same effect, or TB! may know how to handle that event properly. That would be an interesting exercise. Chances are though, Windows will kill the client socket instead of TB! waiting for an event such as a server side close. In which case, we may find that doing that may not help. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On Fri, 2002-08-30 at 05:55, Allie C Martin wrote: JA Maybe if somebody that has regular contact with the developers JA (Marck? Allie?) pose the above theory, they may have another JA stand point to view things from, Me? I can't remember the last time I had direct dialog with any of the developers. :) Was worth a shot. I know that some people on user lists often converse with the developers regularly ;) Personally I've never had this problem and like Marck, TB! on my machine, collects mail from MDaemon on my server across the LAN. TB! polls for mail every 60 secs. and I run it 24/7 as well. Neither have I... I use qpopper (see www.qpopper.com), or I think the one on my UK ISP is a Microsoft product, the name escapes me. I guess it's likely to be a server side issue that TB! no longer addresses gracefully or one solution has created another problem. This would match perfectly I guess. Especially if they put some better error handling in on one event, and didn't apply it to another, it may have made a bug that was there more prominent, or make a new bug. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Stops Picking Up Mail ...
Hello Shane, On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 20:34:19 -0700 GMT (30/08/02, 10:34 +0700 GMT), Shane R. Monroe wrote: SRM Sometimes... Out of nowhere ... The Bat just stops picking up mail. SRM Something INTERNAL hangs. NO visible issues - just a strange absence SRM of mail. Shut down THE BAT, and you get the message similar to There SRM are still operations in progress. Want to exit when they are SRM finished? Neither response allows you exit. Killing THE BAT task is SRM the only way out. I don't know about the hanging, but it could be your server leading to the no-timeout-bug: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view_bug_page.php?f_id=1037 Then, when you cannot close TB, it sounds like this: http://www.mail-archive.com/tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com/msg15731.html or this: http://www.mail-archive.com/tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com/msg14667.html but that was a beta-bug and I thought it has been fixed. Please advise whether the circumstances are the same. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. It's paradoxical that the idea of living a long life appeals to everyone, but the idea of getting old doesn't appeal to anyone. -- Andy Rooney Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Stops Picking Up Mail ...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, August 30, 2002, Thomas F. wrote... I don't know about the hanging, but it could be your server leading to the no-timeout-bug: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view_bug_page.php?f_id=1037 I hate that bug tracker... without creating an account, I can never get it to display the bugs. Whenever I click anonymous, it just displays the full bug track window, giving me the option to search, when I type in the ID, and click on the link, it gives me a project to choose from, and no matter what I click, I end up back at the search page again. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt iQA/AwUBPW99HSuD6BT4/R9zEQIeFQCfYz4nMD3oRVj24tyxTp2Vmz3BW0UAn3gC NSKwdhxrhpUCGiCnIF0l81VD =or4k -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Stops Picking Up Mail ...
Hello Jonathan, On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 09:11:36 -0500 GMT (30/08/02, 21:11 +0700 GMT), Jonathan Angliss wrote: I don't know about the hanging, but it could be your server leading to the no-timeout-bug: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view_bug_page.php?f_id=1037 JA I hate that bug tracker... The following NEW bug has been ADDED. === https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view_bug_page.php?f_id=1037 === Reporter: tomtpe Handler: === Project:The Bat Bug ID: 0001037 Category: Other Reproducibility:always Severity: major Priority: normal Status: new === Date Submitted: 02 Aug 2002 08:19 CDT Last Modified: 02 Aug 2002 08:19 CDT === Summary:Connection Center: No timeout Description: - No timeout when Connecting to Server, or when the server for some reason does not deliver any more. The latter had my Connection Center hanging for 3 hours, downloading message http://https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view_bug_advanced_page.php?f_id=35 of 87, until I deleted the task manually. === -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. If privacy is outlawed, only outlaws will have privacy. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Stops Picking Up Mail ...
Hello Marck, in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] was written: then that global variable (probably a boolean) is not reset to the state reporting that it is not doing anything. MDP I think that the client side Socket connection is left open and MDP until it is flagged as closed TB won't open a new one. But how to tell? 'netstat' didn't show me an open socket neither on my client nor on my server when I wan into that trouble. MDP It may be worth a BugTraq entry. It never happens to me (Win2k Pro, MDP LAN connect to MDaemon server, polling for mail every 1 minute MDP (that's right - sixty seconds!). But it happened (not within last 2 weeks, OK) to me on a LAN connection. 100MBit switched network. No other traffic, just my workstation and my server switched on (and the router of course). MDP I think it requires a POP server on the other end that is capable of MDP losing the connection. MDaemon doesn't appear to be g. I'd be glad if that would be an explanation, but I'm unhappy to tell you: my daemons ran without any error message for weeks and month, albeit TB! hung several times. Try seeing if you can terminate the connection in an abnormal way, such as 95% the way through picking up the last message, disconnect... *shrugs*... it may have the same effect, or TB! may know how to handle that event properly. MDP That would be an interesting exercise. And it was done. If I shut down the daemon listening to port 110 the normal TCP mechanisms stepped in and the connection was terminated with an error message, as it is supposed to be. So ... anybody any other interesting riddles to go through? I'm happy to play them and present the results, but I wasn't able to figure out what causes this, all my knowledge about networks, servers, daemons, debugging them and network sniffing didn't help me yet to find the origin of this casual hangings. I can only guess this is an error in socket component used in The Bat!, but of course I can't prove it. BTW: I can't for the same reasons I don't know why my local SSL doesn't work anymore: lack of information and debugging information :-/// P.S.: Jonathan wrote: I'm in arms reach of one of my mail servers Me too. It could get a slap on it's CD-Drive if it would refuse to work. Happily it does not even come to the idea of doing so :-) -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v1.62/Beta1 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) Whatever is not nailed down is mine. What I can pry loose is not nailed down. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Stops Picking Up Mail ...
On Friday, August 30, 2002, Peter Palmreuther wrote... MDP I think that the client side Socket connection is left open and MDP until it is flagged as closed TB won't open a new one. But how to tell? 'netstat' didn't show me an open socket neither on my client nor on my server when I wan into that trouble. Netstat might not show an internal component having an open connection if Windows has terminated the connection, and the component didn't acknowledge it. This will still flag the socket in TB! as open, but windows will record it as closed. That'd make a bug in the component itself not properly acknowledging, and switching it's active state to false. (Or that global boolean theory I proposed). [snip] MDP That would be an interesting exercise. And it was done. If I shut down the daemon listening to port 110 the normal TCP mechanisms stepped in and the connection was terminated with an error message, as it is supposed to be. This wasn't the kind of connection termination I was thinking of. The daemon in this case drops the connections safely, and reports valid terminations... I was meaning more along the lines of unplugging the PC (if you don't mind doing that kind of thing) from the switch/dsl/modem/etc. But even in my mind, I have a feeling this won't force the error to occur because Windows will report a it couldn't connect properly, or the connection terminated. I can only guess this is an error in socket component used in The Bat!, but of course I can't prove it. It could be a bug in the socket component itself (the one they use) which is not accepting certain types of disconnects. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Stops Picking Up Mail ...
This is an old subject, but since I haven't seen anything about it in awhile, I figured I'd give it another go. Using The Bat 1.61 (I haven't seen a New Features/Fixes list that dictates I should go any higher at this time) on Windows XP. I do not recall this ever happening with 1.5x. Sometimes... Out of nowhere ... The Bat just stops picking up mail. Something INTERNAL hangs. NO visible issues - just a strange absence of mail. Shut down THE BAT, and you get the message similar to There are still operations in progress. Want to exit when they are finished? Neither response allows you exit. Killing THE BAT task is the only way out. I'm not alone. Another user is having the same issues as I am. I don't run any consumerware stuff resident (no firewalls, AV software, no other non-well-behaving TSRs). I run Directory Opus and Trillian resident. My other friend isn't running anything different. I was running 1.5x under the same conditions without the issue. Anyone else have a voice on this? Similar experiences? Possible solutions? I cannot recreate it ... and it doesn't happen very often. Maybe once a month; twice at the most. Thanks a bunch! -- Shane R. Monroe Dark Unicorn Productions http://www.darkunicornproductions.com Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Stops Picking Up Mail ...
On Thu, 2002-08-29 at 22:34, Shane R. Monroe wrote: Sometimes... Out of nowhere ... The Bat just stops picking up mail. Something INTERNAL hangs. NO visible issues - just a strange absence of mail. Shut down THE BAT, and you get the message similar to There are still operations in progress. Want to exit when they are finished? Neither response allows you exit. Killing THE BAT task is the only way out. This may sound really silly, but I'm comming from a programmers point of view with this idea. It'd appear to me that an internal global variable is being set when you go to download your emails... then something may occur to terminate the connection prematurely, then that global variable (probably a boolean) is not reset to the state reporting that it is not doing anything. When this variable is set in a state reporting it is checking mails, all future mail checks are halted as TB! would still think you have a connection (a simple check to see if you have connections by variable instead of attempting to connect, and failing). Now the reason you cannot close TB! is because the OnClose event of the main application looks at this global boolean, and if it is set, it asks if you want to terminate the process, when you click Yes, it cannot find a process to terminate, so doesn't reset the boolean (which is wrong behaviour, but this is a theory)... so you are stuck in a loop. If you click no, it doesn't do anything again. I was running 1.5x under the same conditions without the issue. IIRC, the 1.5x branch didn't have the active processes check for when you exited, instead if there was a running process, it wouldn't close, I don't think this was done via a global boolean of any type (from a theory stand point anyway), but more of a list of active processes. Anyone else have a voice on this? Similar experiences? Possible solutions? Maybe if somebody that has regular contact with the developers (Marck? Allie?) pose the above theory, they may have another stand point to view things from, and may take a look into what may be causing the global boolean not to be reset. Don't forget this is just a silly theory of mine, but I've ran into a similar problem in one of my applications, where it gets stuck in a loop, the first thing is it cannot open a file, but when it tries to close, it tries writing to that file it couldn't find, and causes an error, so you end up stuck. I cannot recreate it ... and it doesn't happen very often. Maybe once a month; twice at the most. Try seeing if you can terminate the connection in an abnormal way, such as 95% the way through picking up the last message, disconnect... *shrugs*... it may have the same effect, or TB! may know how to handle that event properly. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Stops Picking Up Mail ...
Hello Shane, On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 at 20:34:19 [GMT -0700], you wrote: SRM Shut down THE BAT, and you get the message similar to There are SRM still operations in progress. Want to exit when they are SRM finished? Neither response allows you exit. Killing THE BAT task SRM is the only way out. You know, I was thinking that it was just a downtrodden install of XP on my laptop (read needs a reformat/reinstall), but I used to get those a lot. I have a new desktop with 2K Pro on it, and haven't seen it since. SRM I don't run any consumerware stuff resident (no firewalls, AV SRM software, no other non-well-behaving TSRs). I run Directory Opus SRM and Trillian resident. My other friend isn't running anything SRM different. The only thing we have in common above is XP and Trillian. I run Kerio Firewall and AVG Anti-Virus (both on desktop and laptop). I should reinstall XP on the laptop, and set up TB on it to see how it fares for a while. Cheers, Leif Gregory -- List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 1.61 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 256MB. Tagline of the day: A BIG ROCKmeA HARD PLACE Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
