Re: Strange deleting
Hallo Lija, On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:10:19 +0100 GMT (15/02/2001, 16:10 +0800 GMT), Lija wrote: MK But what about messages I want to leave on the server? Ie large MK messages I want to receive in job place, but small at home only??? Ai Take a look at TBUDLs archive. There is a solution for this with two Ai filters. It works great for me... L Do you mean there is a solution for separate download of small and large msgs L via 2 accounts or solution for avoiding TB's deleting msgs with exceeding limit? L If there is a solution for second problem (which I also desperately need;), send L it within your reply... Look at this message in this same very thread: Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If it does not help you, kindly let us know your further quetions based on that that message. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. "One horsepower is the amount of energy it takes to drag a horse 500 feet in one second" Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49e under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Strange deleting
Hello ANT-ilic, On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, at 04:12:07 (your local time), you wrote: MK I don't know what I doing wrong... MK I set the message length limit (20kB). When I receive such mails, MK the info arrives: MK "A message with the size exceeding 20 K bytes limit has arrived to MK your address - the message has been automatically removed from the MK server." MK But what about messages I want to leave on the server? Ie large MK messages I want to receive in job place, but small at home only??? Ai Take a look at TBUDLs archive. There is a solution for this with two Ai filters. It works great for me... Do you mean there is a solution for separate download of small and large msgs via 2 accounts or solution for avoiding TB's deleting msgs with exceeding limit? If there is a solution for second problem (which I also desperately need;), send it within your reply... -- Best regards, Lija -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange deleting
Hello Marck, Thursday, February 15, 2001, 2:32:50 AM, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: TB already has that option. It's the "leave messages on server" setting which works well for *exactly* this purpose. It is your ISP you need to talk to next because they are the ones lacking support for the option. No. I suppose there was some misunderstanding. My server supports leave on server feature well. I meant, If I use that option, all messages will be leaving on the server. I need an option, that makes possible to leave on server only large message. With unread status. So, I suggest to add this one to TB!'s "Length limit" feature Best regards -- *** Michal Kozusznik *** MaXyM/PicSaintLoup *** *** music *** Taekwon-do *** *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** http://mops.uci.agh.edu.pl/~mxm_crd *** -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange deleting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Michal, On 15 February 2001 at 12:29:44 +0100 (which was 11:29 where I live) Michal Kozusznik wrote and made these points: TB already has that option. It's the "leave messages on server" setting which works well for *exactly* this purpose. snip MK My server supports leave on server feature well. I meant, If I use MK that option, all messages will be leaving on the server. That's not a problem in itself. TB asks the server to send new messages only. No messages are downloaded more than once *except*: 1) When a server doesn't support UIDL properly 2) When you change the setting in TB from "Leave" to "Delete". MK I need an option, that makes possible to leave on server only MK large message. With unread status. There's no such thing really. POP3 servers don't record "read/unread" information, just message IDs. IMAP servers record read/unread stats but for POP3 it's up to TB to know which are read / unread and only retrieve new messages from the server. I don't really understand what your problem is with that method. MK So, I suggest to add this one to TB!'s "Length limit" feature It's not really feasible technically AFAICS. That's what I was trying to say. The way TB does it is all there is AFAIK. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49e S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOovChjnkJKuSnc2gEQJ6XwCfXfZj86eZowuWtYjyQIxsJjkIha4An3EU R76GX5hPAy4hz4pcrpZ11KvX =vN4c -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange deleting
Hallo Marck, On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:50:30 + GMT (15/02/2001, 19:50 +0800 GMT), Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: MK I need an option, that makes possible to leave on server only MK large message. With unread status. MDP There's no such thing really. POP3 servers don't record "read/unread" MDP information, just message IDs. Is that so? Whether I use the TB dispatcher or pine, I do have an indication whether a message is read or not. MK So, I suggest to add this one to TB!'s "Length limit" feature MDP It's not really feasible technically AFAICS. That's what I was trying MDP to say. The way TB does it is all there is AFAIK. Eudora does it. when you have a "big" message (i.e. over the download limit), it keeps the message on the server, and you have the choice to download it completely the next time. while messages below the sixe limit are deleted from the server right away, after first download. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. In a Norwegian cocktail lounge: Ladies are requested not to have children in the bar. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49e under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange deleting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Thomas, On 15 February 2001 at 00:41:00 +0800 (which was 16:41 where I live) Thomas wrote and made these points: MDP There's no such thing really. POP3 servers don't record MDP "read/unread" information, just message IDs. T Is that so? Whether I use the TB dispatcher or pine, I do have an T indication whether a message is read or not. Yes - that's because TB has knowledge of the UIDLs, the server just dishes them out. MK So, I suggest to add this one to TB!'s "Length limit" feature MDP It's not really feasible technically AFAICS. That's what I was MDP trying to say. The way TB does it is all there is AFAIK. T Eudora does it. snip Yes, but the way TB is set up, it has the dispatcher to perform such functions. That's the TB way. I wouldn't like to see the guys at RIT make such a fundamental change to the download engine while working towards V2. OTOH, it is a long standing omission that the selective download is not more capable. As long as they have something more flexible in place for v2, I'm happy. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49e S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOowTCTnkJKuSnc2gEQJrcgCgsMk4xAT2lzAcDykPsHzeSKD/92gAn3sV VuWCjiyxxGfEHJm9CEZxLvZx =86LN -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange deleting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:41:00 +0800, Thomas wrote these comments: --snip-- T Eudora does it. when you have a "big" message (i.e. over the T download limit), it keeps the message on the server, and you have T the choice to download it completely the next time. while messages T below the sixe limit are deleted from the server right away, after T first download. You can get TB! to do the above by doing the following. Setup the account transfer properties to selectively download messages to your defined size limit. Also set TB! to leave messages on the server and set your time limit. You need to now setup two incoming filters. 1) This filter should *always* be at the top of your incoming filter list and is for the TB! generated notification messages with regards to large messages being on the server. Source folder: Inbox Destination Folder: Inbox Strings: "The Bat"Location: Sender Presence: Yes Options: 'Continue processing with other filters' *must* be disabled. 2) The next filter should appear immediately after the first filter and this will instruct TB! to delete all filtered messages from the server. Since the large message notifications aren't processed by this filter, the large messages will not be deleted from the server. Source: Inbox Destination: Inbox Strings: "e"Location: Anywhere Presence: Yes this will in effect, match all messages Action: Delete message from server TB! will delete the message from the server when doing the next mail check Options: 'Continue processing with other filters' *must* be enabled. this option will allow the messages to be processed by your other filter rules This works just great for me. All messages are deleted from the server except for the large ones and I have two days to inspect and download them if I like, using the dispatcher. - -- - Allie - ~~~ A. Curtis Martin|List Moderator (PGP Key ID: 0x2B0717E2)|(TBUDL|TBBETA|TBTECH) The Bat! v1.49c | Windows NT 5.00.2195 (Service Pack 1) ** Opinions given are mine and not necessarily those of RITLABS ** -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for sender and message authentication. iQA/AwUBOoxefFfJ62ArBxfiEQJ9gwCguXVyjdmddPao379qJux0GpDsvrYAn3J7 J31CmFLWEDJxSYyXr0Nn2+Xg =FFIR -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange deleting
Hi Allie, On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:55:51 -0500GMT (16/02/2001, 06:55 +0800GMT), A . Curtis Martin wrote: ACM You can get TB! to do the above by doing the following. [...] ACM This works just great for me. All messages are deleted from the server ACM except for the large ones and I have two days to inspect and download ACM them if I like, using the dispatcher. Excellent! Why didn't you tell me two years ago? That was the only feature of Eudora I really missed. Now TB rulez all the way. :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49e under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange deleting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:40:16 +0800, Thomas contributed this to our collective wisdom: ACM This works just great for me. All messages are deleted from the ACM server except for the large ones and I have two days to inspect ACM and download them if I like, using the dispatcher. T Excellent! Why didn't you tell me two years ago? :=) This is the third time I've posted this. I was wondering how you missed it? I figured out this work around only several months back when I started fiddling and exploring the 'continue processing with other filters' option. It offers some very interesting possibilities. T That was the only feature of Eudora I really missed. Now TB rulez T all the way. :-) It really adds to the user experience doesn't it. I now have full control over the larger downloads. - -- - Allie - ~~~ A. Curtis Martin|List Moderator (PGP Key ID: 0x2B0717E2)|(TBUDL|TBBETA|TBTECH) The Bat! v1.49c | Windows NT 5.00.2195 (Service Pack 1) ** Opinions given are mine and not necessarily those of RITLABS ** -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for sender and message authentication. iQA/AwUBOoyIX1fJ62ArBxfiEQIaKgCeKcqyvUge/9isFs8EBD7jNyQvri8AnRfP wi2P6cz0nBD5A93qbo1+Y3I6 =qYX2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange deleting
Hello Michal, Tuesday, February 13, 2001, 9:35:52 AM, you wrote: MK Hello MK I don't know what I doing wrong... MK I set the message length limit (20kB). When I receive such mails, MK the info arrives: MK "A message with the size exceeding 20 K bytes limit has arrived to MK your address - the message has been automatically removed from the MK server." MK But what about messages I want to leave on the server? Ie large MK messages I want to receive in job place, but small at home only??? MK Best regards Take a look at TBUDLs archive. There is a solution for this with two filters. It works great for me... P.S. If you can't find it, contact me and I'll send you... -- Best regards, ANT-ilicmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange deleting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Michal, On 13 February 2001 at 11:17:50 +0100 (which was 10:17 where I live) Michal Kozusznik wrote and made these points: 1.) Leave messages on server for a couple of days, so that it is sure that any messages that should be downloaded, will have been. MK It's not too good. When I do that, next day (or even few hours MK later) I'll receive all mails again. Even smaller then defined MK limit. That's a shame. It means that the POP3 server you are downloading from is using a non-standard methodology for listing IDs of un-deleted messages ... or are you using IMAP? Either way, if this does not work, it is not TB's fault. TB does this correctly. 2.) Use the message dispatcher and tell TB manually which message to download, and which message to delete etc. MK It's takes to much time. Perhaps, but if your ISP's server doesn't correctly manage the "leave messages on server" option, you don't have much choice. MK So, I suggest to add sub-option for "Receive header only..." MK feature: It's could be a check-mark: "Delete from the server". It MK alows me (us) to work with mails at home and job, without stress MK (I've lost an important mail last time because I was sure the MK larger mails will still waiting for next downloading) TB already has that option. It's the "leave messages on server" setting which works well for *exactly* this purpose. It is your ISP you need to talk to next because they are the ones lacking support for the option. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49e S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOosxxznkJKuSnc2gEQKQ6gCfXnrDZFR3UZUUsjPAA9rq9ES1oHMAn2UJ 1agqES9xlpKm7aw1y0Bo5Fug =1RdW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Strange deleting
Hello I don't know what I doing wrong... I set the message length limit (20kB). When I receive such mails, the info arrives: "A message with the size exceeding 20 K bytes limit has arrived to your address - the message has been automatically removed from the server." But what about messages I want to leave on the server? Ie large messages I want to receive in job place, but small at home only??? Best regards -- *** Michal Kozusznik *** MaXyM/PicSaintLoup *** *** music *** Taekwon-do *** *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** http://mops.uci.agh.edu.pl/~mxm_crd *** -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange deleting
Hi Michal, On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:35:52 +0100GMT (13/02/2001, 16:35 +0800GMT), Michal Kozusznik wrote: MK But what about messages I want to leave on the server? Ie large MK messages I want to receive in job place, but small at home only??? What you have encountered is what I call annoying design. If you limit the message size for download and at the same time have "delete messages on server", then the big messages will indeed be deleted without ever being downloaded. Two workarounds: 1.) Leave messages on server for a couple of days, so that it is sure that any messages that should be downloaded, will have been. 2.) Use the message dispatcher and tell TB manually which message to download, and which message to delete etc. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49e under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange deleting
Hello Thomas, Tuesday, February 13, 2001, 9:37:41 AM, Thomas wrote: 1.) Leave messages on server for a couple of days, so that it is sure that any messages that should be downloaded, will have been. It's not too good. When I do that, next day (or even few hours later) I'll receive all mails again. Even smaller then defined limit. 2.) Use the message dispatcher and tell TB manually which message to download, and which message to delete etc. It's takes to much time. So, I suggest to add sub-option for "Receive header only..." feature: It's could be a check-mark: "Delete from the server". It alows me (us) to work with mails at home and job, without stress (I've lost an important mail last time because I was sure the larger mails will still waiting for next downloading) Best regards -- *** Michal Kozusznik *** MaXyM/PicSaintLoup *** *** music *** Taekwon-do *** *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** http://mops.uci.agh.edu.pl/~mxm_crd *** -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
