SOT: bounced mails
Hello Listmembers, I happen to get emails of users (asking for help with The Bat!) with wrong return addresses. My replies bounce back due to the fact that 'The following addresses had permanent fatal errors'. If you ask for help or send reports of any kind: please take care that your return address is _valid_. [in most cases, German users are involved in that issue] Regards Dieter Running TheBat! 1.41 [2E7F60DA] on Windows NT v4 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 -- Registering The Bat! [German]: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=BatReg http://www.register-me.de/the_bat/register.html Support/Info [German]: http://come.to/thebat Dieter Hummel FRA/GER 65931EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key: http://pgp5.ai.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xD93DC23F -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: How to open attached files with .EML file extensions?
Hello Uwe, I'll add more data to my profile, perhaps it will help you. I have I.E. 5.00.2920. installed. Have not installed Outlook2000 since my last reinstall, and have not ever bothered to setup OExpress (still trying to find a way to get that crap off my system and out of my registry grin) Both of your attachments opened up in TheBat!'s internal viewer. I can send a screenshot if you'd like. (off list of course) Best regards, Justin Windows NT 5.0 Build:2195 Wednesday, March 15, 2000 2:07:24 AM When the solution is simple, God is answering. -Albert Einstein- ORIGINAL MESSAGE Tuesday, March 14, 2000, 11:34:41 PM, you wrote: UB The following people can open .eml file attachments with TB! 1.41's UB internal viewer without any problems: UB (1) Justin D. Paine, [EMAIL PROTECTED], NT 5.0 Build 2195 UB (2) Januk Aggarwal, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Win 98 4.10 Build A UB (3) Tony Boom, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Win 98 4.10 Build 1998 UB The following people cannot open .eml file attachments with TB! 1.41's UB internal viewer: UB (1) Uwe Brockmann, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Win 98 4.10 UB (2) Simon, [EMAIL PROTECTED] UB (3) Roy Jackson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Win 95 UB (4) tracer, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Win 98 UB (5) Allie Martin, [EMAIL PROTECTED], NT 5 Build 2195 UB So far nobody has solved the problem that people in the second group are UB experiencing. UB None of the following suggestions have allowed TB! users to solve the UB problem themselves: snip UB Uwe Brockmann, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How to open attached files with .EML file extensions?
Hi Uwe, On 15 March 2000 at 07:34:41 GMT + (which was 07:34 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: The following people can open .eml file attachments with TB! 1.41's internal viewer without any problems: [snip] The following people cannot open .eml file attachments with TB! 1.41's internal viewer: [snip] So far nobody has solved the problem that people in the second group are experiencing. I have fiddled with the registry and file type definitions here to make .eml and .msg files identical in definition as "msgfile" types. When the registry contains a file type definition for opening "msgfile" types, msg files are opened internally to TB and eml files are opened using the external editor (I have set that to be TextPad now, where it was originally a RunDll call for the OE Message Viewer DLL). When the registry no file type definition for opening "msgfile" types, msg files are opened internally to TB and eml files are not opened (a dialog box opens asking which application to use). I have found "msg" as a known extension within the source code for TB. "eml" is not mentioned. My conclusion is that, in theory, no-one should be able to open eml files in the TB internal viewer. Yet some can :-/. IMHO, it will take a code change in TB to make this a cross platform / configuration feature. -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.41 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: How to open attached files with .EML file extensions?
Hi Marck, On 15 March 2000 at 10:29:22 GMT + (which was about 10:29 where I live) Marck D. Pearlstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about "How to open attached files with ".EML" file extensions?" and made these points: MDP My conclusion is that, in theory, no-one should be able to open eml MDP files in the TB internal viewer. Yet some can :-/. IMHO, it will take MDP a code change in TB to make this a cross platform / configuration MDP feature. I have to agree with Marck as I have just done the same. -- Regards, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I don't steal taglines; I reverse-engineer. Tag Line No260181 Yo momma so fat when she bungee jumps, she brings down the bridge too -- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How to open attached files with .EML file extensions?
On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 02:11:02 -0800, Justin D. Paine wrote: I'll add more data to my profile, perhaps it will help you. I have I.E. 5.00.2920. installed. Have not installed Outlook2000 since my last reinstall, and have not ever bothered to setup OExpress (still trying to find a way to get that crap off my system and out of my registry grin) Both of your attachments opened up in TheBat!'s internal viewer. I can send a screenshot if you'd like. (off list of course) This is my exact situation and OExpress opens the attachment. : -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.41 *:* Windows NT5 (Build 2195 ) --- ** 2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2. ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How to open attached files with .EML file extensions?
Hello Uwe Brockmann, On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:34:41 + GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, March 15, 2000, 2:34:41 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Uwe Brockmann wrote: Version 5.00.2014.0216 Cipher Strength: 128-bit Update Versions:;3717;q231452;q231450;q240308; q241362;q242542;q2 (the rest of the text is cut off and I do not know how to make it visible) Here is what I have according to the Version tab of the properties of my IEexplore.exe file: File Version: 5.00.2014.200 Created: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 Modified: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 I have standard USA 98 v2, 40 bit key. version 5.00.2614.3500 In case anyone running windows 2000 wants to grab the 128 key ie5, be warned, it has severe bugs and ms send warnings out... Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.41 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
Hello Januk Aggarwal, On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:10:24 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, March 15, 2000, 11:10:24 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Januk Aggarwal wrote: Hi Simon, On Tuesday, March 07, 2000 at 21:15:52 GMT + (which was 1:15 PM where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: How-do-you-do, I have noticed that TB! very occasionally seems to freeze with Windows when I launch it just as I make a connection to the Net. It is always just as TB! launches at the same time the connection is opened. If I wait 3 secs (after ICMP UDP packets finish broadcasting) I do not seem to get a problem. If I forget however, and manually launch TB! to quickly, TB! takes Windows into cold storage with it. Anyone had this problem? Go into the shortcut Properties and add /NOLOGO to the end of the command line. TB loads a little quicker, and it seems to have stopped the freezes on my computer. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Doesnt fix it. However it means you have to really click fast on the second program to make it hang as startup of the Bat takes less time,,, I managed it though (g) to hang it with agent.. Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.41 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: How to open attached files with .EML file extensions?
Hello Uwe, Wednesday, March 15, 2000, 12:34:41 AM, you wrote: I may as well join in the survey. Both MSG and EML attachments open for me in TB! internal viewer. Win95a Bat version 1.41 IE 5.00.2314.1003IC installed Cipher Strength: 40-bit Update Versions:q23142;q23140;3717;3725;q240308;q241361;q413362;q241[remainder cut off] IE5.0 set to use The Bat! for mail; Forte Agent for News; MSNetMeeting for Internet Call MSG (Outlook item) associated with outlook.exe (I've never used Outlook or set it up) EML (Outlook Express Mail Message) associated with MSIMN.exe Content type: message/rfc822 (I've never set up Outlook Express Best regards, Quinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "Duty is the sublimest word in our language. Do your duty in all things. You cannot do more. You should never wish to do less." -Robert E. Lee --- Using The Bat! 1.41 under Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 on a Pentium 133 with 88MB RAM. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How to open attached files with .EML file extensions?
How-do-you-do, Uwe Brockmann posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] making the following comments: frenzied scissor action U (6) source of suggestion: U Simon, [EMAIL PROTECTED] U suggestion (paraphrased): U "Run TB! on a system on which Microsoft Outlook or Microsoft U Outlook Express have been installed." I did not actually suggest this. I only declared my current setup - which never has had Microsoft Outlook or Microsoft Outlook Express installed - as a means of raising for discussion the possibility of my setup being 'a' reason why TB! is unable to open files with .eml extensions. ;) scissor action U If you know the solution to the problem, please tell us! Curious as to why some were able and some were not able to open .eml files, I installed TB! on another PC (temporarily) with OExpress v5 AND Outlook 98 already installed but was still unable to open .eml files with TB! So, whether, you have, have had, or have never had Outlook programs installed has absolutely nothing to do with TB!s claimed .eml file viewing capabilities. My registry had an .eml key in the reg as mentioned (even though it has never had Microsoft Outlook or Microsoft Outlook Express installed) in a previous posting, and I backed it up and then removed it. Result: eml files open with notepad, the default system viewer. Reregged eml extension and eml files then open as attachement as before. I think this is more likely to be a feature that TB! does not yet include. (I even imported keys from the Oulook machine without success) . Just read Marck's response. Seems that his answer would be correct. However, it does raise the question as to how some particular users are able to have TB!s internal viewer open .eml files. This is indeed a mystery. still chopping away U If TB! calls Outlook Express or Notepad or some other program to open U sample.eml then you have the problem. U If TB! opens a blank mail message U in an "Edit Mail Message" editor window and shows sample.eml as an U attachment (which you cannot open) then you also have the problem. I would not say it was a problem as such as this has yet to be determined. It could be a 'unique feature' to some individuals ;) Slán anois, Simon send private mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Usin' TB! v1.41 registered !-- hide from brain dead browsers Lhomme est bien insensé. Il ne saurait forger un ciron, et forge des Dieux à douzaines! //-- stop hiding from brain dead browsers -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How to open attached files with .EML file extensions?
How-do-you-do, hedge trimmer Oh, I forgot to add: Using: The Bat! version 1.41 No Outlook Express or Outlook installed (ever) Customised IE5 version: 5.00.2919.6307C0 Cipher Strength: 128 bit Windows version: Win98 SE 4.10 A (As well as custom install of IE5 that didn't include any Outlook stuff, Windows was installed with a batch script that also did not include any Outlook or Frontpage stuff; a clean machine) It is not surprising that this topic is of interest to all. I just took at the wish list and the 'Reading' category is the longest of all wish subjects. Slán anois, Simon send private mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Usin' TB! v1.41 registered !-- hide from brain dead browsers MONTAIGNE 1533-1592 //-- stop hiding from brain dead browsers -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! Deep Freeze
How-do-you-do, Januk posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] making the following comments: J Go into the shortcut Properties and add /NOLOGO to the end of the J command line. TB loads a little quicker, and it seems to have stopped J the freezes on my computer. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Although an old topic, and by now firmly established as an 'unwanted feature' of TB! (kindness prevails) just for the record: I launch TB! from a shortcut on the task bar that does indeed have the /NOLOGO parameter. In fact, I have a shell extension called parameterize that allows me to add any parameter to any executable before running which I also use. Therefore, the splash screen has never been much, if any, problem. Slán anois, Simon send private mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Usin' TB! v1.41 registered !-- hide from brain dead browsers //-- stop hiding from brain dead browsers -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How to open attached files with .EML file extensions?
Hello Uwe, Tuesday, March 14, 2000, 11:34:41 PM, you wrote: UB The following people cannot open .eml file attachments with TB! 1.41's UB internal viewer: You can add me to this group. -- Best regards, Dennismailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat 1.41 Windows 98 4.10 A IE 5.00.2919.6307CO 56 bit -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Using Macros for header (%RETURNPATH=...)
Hello Michael, MW Using the macro MW %RETURNPATH=""%RETURNPATH="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" the MW Return-Path in the header is setting to "Return-Path: MW [EMAIL PROTECTED]", that is right. But if I save the MW message (as draft for example), change the message and save it again, MW "Return-Path" is set to my reply-address. The Return-Path is now MW "Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]". That is _not_ what I want. But it is exactly what must be in the field accordingly to RFC-822... Sincerely, Stefan ...C:\ Bad command or file name! Go stand in the corner. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB! 1.41 download
Hello Nick, On Saturday, March 11, 2000 you wrote: The file 'thebat.exe' is the main executable only. The file the_bat.exe is the full install. It would have been far less confusing to name the full install tb1.41.exe for instance, and the executable could then retain the name thebat.exe I don't know about the others, but I found them to be confusing, listed as they were. I asked for this change long long ago, but I was told that this is to ensure that all the links always refer to the newest version. And after some thinking I must agree with this, especially now, when I started Polish support pages for TB and benefit from half-automatic upgrading of the file on my server (full automation on its way)... The constant filename really has its benefits! -- Christopher J. Trybowski === --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- uin:4350719 --- http://www.trybik.i.krakow.pl --- pgp-keys: 0xB92EEE69 0x9382700B ===( get-pgp-keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=send_key )=== Using The Bat! 1.41 Beta/5a [reg] under Windows 98 4.10 build 1998. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: How to open attached files with .EML file extensions?
Hello Uwe, Please put me in the second group no launch EML. I'm using Win98 4.10 1998 with OE5 installed compatability mode. I've the same results as Alexander Help tag IE5 5.00.2014.0216 128bit Properties 5.00.2014.200 My complaint is also that MSG is associated with NoteTab Pro but double clicking launches the TB viewer. g Paul -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Helo error
Hello! Wednesday, March 15, 2000, 7:39, Syafril Hermansyah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SH Hello Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris), SH AVK Actually, this might be, for example: AVK EHLO default AGSAA ^ AGSAA ...And this is an incorrect (at least not recommended) behaviour. SH EHLO is valid syntax, this is for SMTPServer which support SMTP SH Extention command (see RFC-1891), whilst HELO is old fashioned :-) :-) Of course I know that it is valid syntax. You (and probably some other subscribers) have misunderstood me and this was my fault that made this misunderstanding possible :-). I forgot to explain some details about incorrect EHLO syntax - now here they are. It's not recommended to use a fictitious hostnames such as "default" when issuing an EHLO or HELO command. Both commands requires FQDN or, at least, a domain name as an argument. Again, sorry for this incovenience. X-TheBat-Version: 1.41 X-OS: Windows 95 4.0. B PE X-System-Info: iP-III-500/128 -- Best regards, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How to open attached files with .EML file extensions?
Hello! Wednesday, March 15, 2000, 10:34, Uwe Brockmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lost UB I enclose the two sample files sample.eml and sample.msg as UB attachments again. If TB! displays them identically with its internal UB viewer then you do not have a problem. As for me, .msg opens with TB! instead of .eml file. Trying to open an .eml attachment cause system to invoke a standard Internet Mail application that is a part of IE 3.0 which was shipped with Win 95 OSR 2. Currently I have a standard .eml file association: Description : Internet E-Mail Message MIME Type: message/rfc822 Default Extension: .eml Actions present : open (default): rundll32.exe C:\WIN_95\SYSTEM\mailnews.dll,EMLFileHandler I removed this action (open) _without_ removing the whole file association, then tried to open an .eml attachment in TB! again. It asked me for the program which is able to open such files. I selected TB! and it opened a standard message composition window with attachment named, of course :-) "sample1.eml". There is no need to say that this process seems to be endless. Next I removed the .eml file association at all but achieved the same (negative) result. Today I'll try to experiment more thorougly. X-TheBat-Version: 1.41 X-OS: Windows 95 4.0. B PE X-System-Info: iP-III-500/128 -- Best regards, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Confirmed: system freezes when TB starts
Hello! Recently there were some posts discussing a whole system freeze problem when TB starts. I confirm that. My system freezes deeply (only Reset helped) when I have started TB without /NoLogo switch and immediately clicked on some systray icon which belongs to minimized application, Windows 95 Resource Meter. Conditions: - TB started from Start Menu shortcut without /NoLogo switch; - System has IE 3.0 installed (by default on OSR2 PE); - There are some patches/add-ons installed, such as Winsock 2, DUN 1.3 and others recommended and approved by M$; - There was an active DUN connection; - Recources free: System - 86, User - 85, GDI - 94; - Here is the list of programs running when system crashed: 3Com Modem Monitor 1.0 (active); RC5/DES64 distributed.net Client 2.7105.432 (standard priority); ICQ 98a DLL 1.22 (minimized); Windows 95 Resource Meter (minimized); FAR 1.61 (active). X-TheBat-Version: 1.41 X-OS: Windows 95 4.0. B PE X-System-Info: iP-III-500/128 -- Best regards, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Using Macros for header (%RETURNPATH=...)
Hi there! On 15 Mar 00, at 22:17, Stefan Tanurkov wrote about "Re: Using Macros for header (%RETUR": MW Using the macro MW %RETURNPATH=""%RETURNPATH="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" the MW Return-Path in the header is setting to "Return-Path: MW [EMAIL PROTECTED]", that is right. But if I save the MW message (as draft for example), change the message and save it again, MW "Return-Path" is set to my reply-address. The Return-Path is now MW "Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]". That is _not_ what I want. But it is exactly what must be in the field accordingly to RFC-822... ...and Stefan is right (as always;-)) here: you should *not* set the return-path yourself, on the user side you should limit yourself to altering the Reply-To: header... because return-path: is subject to be set/changed/altered by the SMTP server... -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: To every rule there is an exception, and vice versa. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
The Bat! - bug report (Redirect feature and non-relaying servers)
Hello The Bat! developers and TBUDL members! I'm using The Bat! Version 1.41 Serial Number 590E2F15 under Windows 95 4.0 Build B and would like to report a bug. The bug description: The redirect function isn't working with SMTP servers that doesn't allow relaying from one foreign domain to another. Here's my mail server log (an original message was from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (me), I want to redirect it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and my SMTP server relays mail only for certain domains): ---[Cut]--- 2000-03-16 01:11:59 [125-00] Connect from p76.n88.dip.aha.ru [195.2.88.76] 2000-03-16 01:11:59 [062-00] 220 maroon.mydomain.ru ESMTP daemon listening 2000-03-16 01:11:59 [062-00] EHLO p76.n88.dip.aha.ru 2000-03-16 01:11:59 [062-00] 250-maroon.mydomain.ru OK Hello p76.n88.dip.aha.ru [195.2.88.76], what a beautiful voice 2000-03-16 01:11:59 [062-00] 250-VRFY 2000-03-16 01:11:59 [062-00] 250-EXPN 2000-03-16 01:11:59 [062-00] 250-ETRN 2000-03-16 01:11:59 [062-00] 250-SIZE 2000-03-16 01:11:59 [062-00] 250 SHST 2000-03-16 01:11:59 [062-00] MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2000-03-16 01:11:59 [062-00] 250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK Foreign domain verified, address accepted 2000-03-16 01:12:00 [062-00] RCPT TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2000-03-16 01:12:00 [062-05] 550 [EMAIL PROTECTED] BAD We do not relay, address rejected 2000-03-16 01:12:00 [062-29] p76.n88.dip.aha.ru [195.2.88.76] trying to relay 2000-03-16 01:12:00 [062-00] RSET 2000-03-16 01:12:00 [062-00] 250 OK Reset complete 2000-03-16 01:12:00 [062-00] QUIT 2000-03-16 01:12:00 [062-00] 221 OK Good bye ---[Cut]--- Steps to reproduce the bug: Try to redirect some message through a SMTP server with anti-relaying mechanism activated. Solution: The following dialog sequence should fix this problem (an idea is to form a non-relaying message envelope - from server's point of view): 220 mta.domain.tld listening EHLO hostname.domain.tld 250 mta.domain.tld OK Hello MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^ TB! must use an account's "From:" setting here 250 OK Address accepted RCPT TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^ New recipient address goes here 250 OK Address accepted DATA 354 OK Enter mail, end with CRLF.CRLF on a line by itself Now it's time for the message header From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... and so on... X-TheBat-Version: 1.41 X-OS: Windows 95 4.0. B PE X-System-Info: iP-III-500/128 -- Best regards, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Using Macros for header (%RETURNPATH=...)
Hello Alexander! On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 01:06:42 +0300 GMT, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: (at my local time: 15.03.2000, 23:06:42 +0100 GMT) AVK Hi there! AVK On 15 Mar 00, at 22:17, Stefan Tanurkov wrote AVK about "Re: Using Macros for header (%RETUR": MW Using the macro MW %RETURNPATH=""%RETURNPATH="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" the MW Return-Path in the header is setting to "Return-Path: MW [EMAIL PROTECTED]", that is right. But if I save the MW message (as draft for example), change the message and save it again, MW "Return-Path" is set to my reply-address. The Return-Path is now MW "Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]". That is _not_ what I want. But it is exactly what must be in the field accordingly to RFC-822... AVK ...and Stefan is right (as always;-)) here: you should *not* set the return-path AVK yourself, on the user side you should limit yourself to altering the Reply-To: AVK header... because return-path: is subject to be set/changed/altered by the AVK SMTP server... But the "Return-Path:" is setting by *TB* to the "Reply-To:"-address *not* by the server. If I right to understand the RFC-822 (see below), the RFC means that the "Return-Path" is used to identify the _originator_. That means for me: the _send-address_ not the reply-address. Explanation to above: [EMAIL PROTECTED] is my send address, [EMAIL PROTECTED] is my reply-address. But the header generated by TB looks like Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:09:46 +0100 From: Michael Wieczorek [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.41) Personal Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: home sweet home X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: test mit re nach gmx Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit RFC-822 [..] 4.3.1. RETURN-PATH This field is added by the final transport system that delivers the message to its recipient. The field is intended to contain definitive information about the address and route back to the message's originator. Note: The "Reply-To" field is added by the originator and serves to direct replies, whereas the "Return-Path" field is used to identify a path back to the origina- tor. While the syntax indicates that a route specification is optional, every attempt should be made to provide that infor- mation in this field. [..] 4.4.3. REPLY-TO / RESENT-REPLY-TO [..] Note: The "Return-Path" field is added by the mail transport service, at the time of final deliver. It is intended to identify a path back to the orginator of the mes- sage. The "Reply-To" field is added by the message originator and is intended to direct replies. So I think it is a bug by TB, is'nt it? -- Bye, Michael TheBat 1.41 [reg] - Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 5 _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Helo error
Hi there! On 16 Mar 00, at 0:02, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris wrote about "Re: Helo error": AVK EHLO default AGSAA ^ AGSAA ...And this is an incorrect (at least not recommended) behaviour. :-) Of course I know that it is valid syntax. You (and probably some other subscribers) have misunderstood me and this was my fault that made this misunderstanding possible :-). I forgot to explain some details about incorrect EHLO syntax - now here they are. Nope, you've been clear enough, it's Syafril who wasn't careful enough when reading your message;-) But you probably shouldn't have used the word "incorrect". Yeah, it's _in_some_cases_ undesirable (just consider for the moment that the SMTP server runs on your own machine: Hamster, or Mercury, or some kind of "fake" SMTP like the SMTP--UUCP gateway I'm using right now, etc. -- in this case it doesn't really matter how the SMTP session is initiated, does it?;-)), and hence not recommended (actually, I do know that it's not recommended, but can you cite the source where it's clearly written? I failed to find it;-)). But in my original message you replied to I just wanted to supply the simpliest possible example of _technically_working_ syntax in order to explain, why the error message "incorrect HELO syntax" seems strange to me. It's not recommended to use a fictitious hostnames such as "default" when issuing an EHLO or HELO command. Both commands requires FQDN or, at least, a domain name as an argument. -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: In any human endeavor, once you have exhausted all possibilities and fail, there will be one solution, simple and obvious, highly visible to everyone else. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Using Macros for header (%RETURNPATH=...)
Hello! Thursday, March 16, 2000, 2:43, Michael Wieczorek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lost AVK ...and Stefan is right (as always;-)) here: you should *not* set AVK the return-path yourself, on the user side you should limit AVK yourself to altering the Reply-To: header... because return-path: AVK is subject to be set/changed/altered by the SMTP server... ^^^ Take a look at these words. MW But the "Return-Path:" is setting by *TB* to the "Reply-To:"-address MW *not* by the server. See my note above. It's a server's deal to _operate_ with this header. Do you know that Return-Path isn't limited only to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] form? Here's some sample for you: Return-Path: sunny.aha.ru!apache.org!apache-announce-owner MW If I right to understand the RFC-822 (see below), the RFC MW means that the "Return-Path" is used to identify the _originator_. It's intended to provide an addressing information about originator and, in some cases, the back route for message originator, for example, in UUCP form. MW That means for me: the _send-address_ not the reply-address. MW Explanation to above: [EMAIL PROTECTED] is my send address, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MW is my reply-address. But the header generated by TB looks like MW Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MW Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:09:46 +0100 MW From: Michael Wieczorek [EMAIL PROTECTED] MW X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.41) Personal MW Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MW Organization: home sweet home MW X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MW Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MW To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MW Subject: test mit re nach gmx MW Mime-Version: 1.0 MW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MW Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MW RFC-822 MW [..] MW 4.3.1. RETURN-PATH MWThis field is added by the final transport system that MWdelivers the message to its recipient. The field is intended MWto contain definitive information about the address and route MWback to the message's originator. This is the key words. lost MWNote: The "Return-Path" field is added by the mail transport MW service, at the time of final deliver. It is intended MW to identify a path back to the orginator of the mes- MW sage. And this is too. MW So I think it is a bug by TB, is'nt it? No. X-TheBat-Version: 1.41 X-OS: Windows 95 4.0. B PE X-System-Info: iP-III-500/128 -- Best regards, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Using Macros for header (%RETURNPATH=...)
Hi there! On 16 Mar 00, at 0:43, Michael Wieczorek wrote about "Re: Using Macros for header (%RETUR": AVK ...and Stefan is right (as always;-)) here: you should *not* set the return-path AVK yourself, on the user side you should limit yourself to altering the Reply-To: AVK header... because return-path: is subject to be set/changed/altered by the AVK SMTP server... But the "Return-Path:" is setting by *TB* to the "Reply-To:"-address *not* by the server. Nope;-) Here's what goes to the server in my own case (just an example): ---8- Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 03:06:57 +0300 From: "Alexander V. Kiselev" [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.41) Personal Reply-To: "Alexander V. Kiselev" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Home Sweet Home X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: test Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit test -8-- Note the _absence_ of the return-path: field. The latter field is added by the "transport system that deliveres message to the recipient", not by the originator (in this case, me, or, better to say, TB;-)) If I right to understand the RFC-822 (see below), the RFC means that the "Return-Path" is used to identify the _originator_. That means for me: the _send-address_ not the reply-address. The transport system determines, what should Return-Path: be, based on what the SMTP server receives in the SMTP envelope. That is, _if_ it gets the following: MAIL FROM [EMAIL PROTECTED] ,it will set the Return-Path: as follows: Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or, maybe, Return-Path: mail.ru!akiselev which has the same meaning. And so it is in your case: the message I'm replying to has: X-Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This field has been added by the MDaemon at dutaint.com. Explanation to above: [EMAIL PROTECTED] is my send address, [EMAIL PROTECTED] is my reply-address. But the header generated by TB looks like Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This has been added elsewhere, probably;-) TB shouldn't have added this header, IMHO. Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:09:46 +0100 From: Michael Wieczorek [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.41) Personal Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Which implies that the people who will answer you will use *this* address, which is exactly what you want to achieve, isn't it? The RFC822 information that you supplied below says nothing more on the point;-) RFC-822 [..] 4.3.1. RETURN-PATH This field is added by the final transport system that delivers the message to its recipient. The field is intended to contain definitive information about the address and route back to the message's originator. Note: The "Reply-To" field is added by the originator and serves to direct replies, whereas the "Return-Path" field is used to identify a path back to the origina- tor. While the syntax indicates that a route specification is optional, every attempt should be made to provide that infor- mation in this field. [..] 4.4.3. REPLY-TO / RESENT-REPLY-TO [..] Note: The "Return-Path" field is added by the mail transport service, at the time of final deliver. It is intended to identify a path back to the orginator of the mes- sage. The "Reply-To" field is added by the message originator and is intended to direct replies. So I think it is a bug by TB, is'nt it? I don't think so;-) See above. -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: Don't take life too seriously; you won't get out of it alive. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Helo error
Hello! Thursday, March 16, 2000, 2:47, Alexander V. Kiselev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AVK EHLO default AGSAA ^ AGSAA ...And this is an incorrect (at least not recommended) behaviour. :-) Of course I know that it is valid syntax. You (and probably some other subscribers) have misunderstood me and this was my fault that made this misunderstanding possible :-). I forgot to explain some details about incorrect EHLO syntax - now here they are. AVK Nope, you've been clear enough, it's Syafril who wasn't careful enough when AVK reading your message;-) But you probably shouldn't have used the word AVK "incorrect". You're right. AVK Yeah, it's _in_some_cases_ undesirable (just consider for the AVK moment that the SMTP server runs on your own machine: Hamster, or AVK Mercury, or some kind of "fake" SMTP like the SMTP--UUCP gateway I'm AVK using right now, etc. -- in this case it doesn't really matter how the SMTP AVK session is initiated, does it?;-)), Oh, I forgot about such a case. Thanks to point me to it. AVK and hence not recommended (actually, I do know that it's not AVK recommended, but can you cite the source where it's clearly AVK written? I failed to find it;-)). Well, probably in some RFCs or STDs... I failed to remember it too, but as you told I know it. Maybe this recommendation haven't been stated strictly in the original document? * To "John Killeen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Do you have any new information about your recent HELO issue? X-TheBat-Version: 1.41 X-OS: Windows 95 4.0. B PE X-System-Info: iP-III-500/128 -- Best regards, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: How to open attached files with .EML file extensions?
Wednesday, March 15, 2000, 2:34:41 AM, Uwe wrote: UB The following people can open .eml file attachments with TB! 1.41's UB internal viewer without any problems: UB (1) Justin D. Paine, [EMAIL PROTECTED], NT 5.0 Build 2195 UB (2) Januk Aggarwal, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Win 98 4.10 Build A UB (3) Tony Boom, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Win 98 4.10 Build 1998 UB The following people cannot open .eml file attachments with TB! 1.41's UB internal viewer: UB (1) Uwe Brockmann, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Win 98 4.10 UB (2) Simon, [EMAIL PROTECTED] UB (3) Roy Jackson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Win 95 UB (4) tracer, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Win 98 UB (5) Allie Martin, [EMAIL PROTECTED], NT 5 Build 2195 UB So far nobody has solved the problem that people in the second group are UB experiencing. UB None of the following suggestions have allowed TB! users to solve the UB problem themselves: UB (1) source of suggestion: UB Januk Aggarwal, [EMAIL PROTECTED] UB suggestion (paraphrased): UB "There may be different versions of TB! that are all numbered UB 1.41. Try downloading the latest version." UB result: UB No change. UB (2) source of suggestion: UB Januk Aggarwal, [EMAIL PROTECTED] UB suggestion (paraphrased): UB "Delete Windows' .eml file association." UB result: UB Windows asks for program to use when user attempts to open a UB .eml file. UB (3) source of suggestion: UB Januk Aggarwal, [EMAIL PROTECTED] UB tracer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] UB Marek Mikus, [EMAIL PROTECTED] UB suggestion (paraphrased): UB "Change Windows' .eml file association to The Bat!" UB result: UB TB! opens an empty file in "Edit Mail Message" editor and shows UB .eml file as attachment. Clicking on .eml attachment UB recursively opens another empty file in another "Edit Mail UB Message" editor window. However, the contents of the .eml file UB is never displayed. UB (4) source of suggestion: UB Dieter Hummel, [EMAIL PROTECTED] UB suggestion (paraphrased): UB "Wait for TB! version 2.0 which will provide for calling an UB external editor." UB result: UB Calling an external editor would not solve the problem. Version UB 2.0 is not out yet. UB (5) source of suggestion: UB Oleg Zalyalov, [EMAIL PROTECTED] UB suggestion (paraphrased): UB "The authors of TB! should modify the source code of TB! so that UB TB! wil treat .eml files exactly like .msg files. This UB modification should be incorporated into version 1.42 of TB!." UB result: UB This should solve the problem. However, this solution can only UB be applied by the authors of TB! UB (6) source of suggestion: UB Simon, [EMAIL PROTECTED] UB suggestion (paraphrased): UB "Run TB! on a system on which Microsoft Outlook or Microsoft UB Outlook Express have been installed." UB result: UB This does not work for me. UB (7) source of suggestion: UB Allie Martin UB suggestion (paraphrased): UB "Run TB! on a system on which Microsoft Outlook Express has UB never been installed." UB result: UB This was not necessary for Tony Boom ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and UB Justin D. Paine ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) who both succeeded at UB opening .eml attachments with TB!'s internal viewer. UB (8) source of suggestion: UB Alexander V. Kiselev, [EMAIL PROTECTED] UB suggestion (paraphrased): UB "The problem is caused by some versions of Microsoft Internet UB Explorer or other installed software. Start search for the UB cause of the problem by comparing installed versions of UB Internet Explorer." UB result: UB Here is what I have according to "Help -- About Internet UB Explorer": UB Version 5.00.2014.0216 UB Cipher Strength: 128-bit UB Update Versions:;3717;q231452;q231450;q240308; UB q241362;q242542;q2 (the rest of the text is UB cut off and I do not know how to make it UB visible) UB Here is what I have according to the Version tab of the UB properties of my IEexplore.exe file: UB File Version: 5.00.2014.200 UB Created: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 UB Modified: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 UB If you think that Alexander V. Kiselev ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has the UB right idea, please feel free to state your version of Internet Explorer. UB If you know the solution to the problem, please tell us! UB I enclose the two sample files sample.eml and sample.msg as UB attachments again. If TB! displays them identically with its internal UB viewer then you do not have a problem. UB If TB!
Re: How to open attached files with .EML file extensions?
Hello Marck, On Wednesday, March 15, 2000 at 10:29:22 GMT + (which was 2:29 AM where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: snip My conclusion is that, in theory, no-one should be able to open eml files in the TB internal viewer. Yet some can :-/. IMHO, it will take a code change in TB to make this a cross platform / configuration feature. Well, I am one of the ones who can open .eml files in TB's internal editor. I checked my registry, and there is only one key that has anything remotely close to having to do with .eml files. I don't think that it is really even relevant, however, I can't identify what it does. Since this particular key is somewhat long, I won't include it here. If anyone is interested, e-mail me and I can send it to you off-list. IE 5 Version: 5.00.2614.3500 Cipher Strength: 128-bit -- Thanks for writing Januk Aggarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.41 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
The Bat! - bug report (Disappearing toolbar buttons/menu commands)
Hello The Bat! developers and TBUDL members!
I'm using The Bat! Version 1.41 Serial Number 590E2F15 under Windows 95
4.0 Build B and would like to report a bug.
The bug description:
Most of the toolbar buttons and corresponding menu commands becomes
unavailable (grayed) after deleting some messages when:
- You're working with some folder in a separate windows (in other
terms, you're "browsing" this folder);
- You set the folder's view mode to "View threads... By references" and
"Sort by... Creation time". The affected folder should of course
contains threaded messages.
Steps to reproduce the bug:
Open some folder in a new window using "Browse" command. Set folder's
view mode to "View threads... By references" and "Sort by... Creation
time". You should see discussion threads. Point to any thread (I will
call it "Thread_1") and press Ctrl+GrayPlus to expand it. Point to some
other thread ("Thread_2") next or not far (in order to reproduce the bug
easier) to the previously expanded one. Press Ctrl+GrayPlus again. Now
you should select (using Ctrl+Left Click or Shift+Left Click) _all_
messages in the Thread_1 _and_ at least one message - top-level or at
any of the step-down levels - in the Thread_2. Let's see the bug now -
press Del or click the Trash icon on the toolbar and when selected
messages successfully disappears you will got partially disabled toolbar
and of course, a corresponding menu commands :-[ ]. There is no cure for
that situation even if you click on any retained messages - you will
still be able to view them but in fact you couldn't delete, reply,
forward etc. But if you double-click on any message in this "defective"
:-) window a new windows opens and you will have a working toolbar/menu
again. You can also close a window with disabled toolbar and open it
again from the main TheBat! window.
It seems to me that after this deletions TB loses some internal "roots"
or bindings to the messages BUT only in the affected window. The main
program window or any other windows displaying this folder remains
untouched.
If anyone becomes interested in screenshots (.gif) illustrating the steps
required to reproduce this bug I can send them upon a request.
X-TheBat-Version: 1.41
X-OS: Windows 95 4.0. B PE
X-System-Info: iP-III-500/128
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Re[2]: Helo error
Well, if you use a server that allows relaying, it's only a matter of time before it shows up on ORBS, and then a lot of mail servers will begin rejecting all connections from it anyhow. Relaying used to be a great feature until spammers began abusing it. sigh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 3:29 PM To: The Bat! UDL; RIT Research Labs Subject: The Bat! - bug report (Redirect feature and non-relaying servers) Hello The Bat! developers and TBUDL members! I'm using The Bat! Version 1.41 Serial Number 590E2F15 under Windows 95 4.0 Build B and would like to report a bug. The bug description: The redirect function isn't working with SMTP servers that doesn't allow relaying from one foreign domain to another. Here's my mail server log (an original message was from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (me), I want to redirect it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and my SMTP server relays mail only for certain domains): ---[Cut]--- 2000-03-16 01:11:59 [125-00] Connect from p76.n88.dip.aha.ru [195.2.88.76] 2000-03-16 01:11:59 [062-00] 220 maroon.mydomain.ru ESMTP daemon listening 2000-03-16 01:11:59 [062-00] EHLO p76.n88.dip.aha.ru 2000-03-16 01:11:59 [062-00] 250-maroon.mydomain.ru OK Hello p76.n88.dip.aha.ru [195.2.88.76], what a beautiful voice 2000-03-16 01:11:59 [062-00] 250-VRFY 2000-03-16 01:11:59 [062-00] 250-EXPN 2000-03-16 01:11:59 [062-00] 250-ETRN 2000-03-16 01:11:59 [062-00] 250-SIZE 2000-03-16 01:11:59 [062-00] 250 SHST 2000-03-16 01:11:59 [062-00] MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2000-03-16 01:11:59 [062-00] 250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK Foreign domain verified, address accepted 2000-03-16 01:12:00 [062-00] RCPT TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2000-03-16 01:12:00 [062-05] 550 [EMAIL PROTECTED] BAD We do not relay, address rejected 2000-03-16 01:12:00 [062-29] p76.n88.dip.aha.ru [195.2.88.76] trying to relay 2000-03-16 01:12:00 [062-00] RSET 2000-03-16 01:12:00 [062-00] 250 OK Reset complete 2000-03-16 01:12:00 [062-00] QUIT 2000-03-16 01:12:00 [062-00] 221 OK Good bye ---[Cut]--- snip -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB! 1.41 download
Hi Christopher, On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 14:00:58 +0100GMT (12/03/2000, 21:00 +0800GMT), Christopher J. Trybowski wrote: CJT I asked for this change long long ago, but I was told that this is to CJT ensure that all the links always refer to the newest version. And CJT after some thinking I must agree with this, especially now, when I CJT started Polish support pages for TB and benefit from half-automatic CJT upgrading of the file on my server (full automation on its way)... CJT The constant filename really has its benefits! How about placing the new files twice on the server: once for the mirrors with always the same name, and once ofr us stupid humans who need to know the version number? -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.41 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How to open attached files with .EML file extensions?
Hi Dennis, On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:48:21 -0800GMT (16/03/2000, 01:48 +0800GMT), Dennis W. Greer wrote: UB The following people cannot open .eml file attachments with TB! 1.41's UB internal viewer: DWG You can add me to this group. Add me too. On my home computer, where I never even installed Outlook, clicking on the eml file even started the Outlook installation shield! When I removed eml association from the registry on my office computer and then associated it with TB, a new message window opened in TB with this file as attachment. I then associated the extension with Notepad, which works. Couldn't find a way to have it in TB's Viewer. OTOH: do we really need this? Anybody sends me an eml file, he gets it back (same as with HTML or Enriched emails) with the request to send me Text/Plain messages if they want me to even read it. I have no use for eml files. Do I? -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.41 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
The Bat! - suggestions (Toolbar/menu)
Hello The Bat! developers and TBUDL members! I'm using The Bat! Version 1.41 Serial Number 590E2F15 under Windows 95 4.0 Build B and would like to see some features in your program: There is no "Create a new message" toolbar button nor the corresponding Message menu command when browsing some folder in a separate window. However, the Ctrl+N shortcut is still working. I think it will be a more convenient if this button/menu command appears in the future TB releases. Regardless of that minor remark, TB rocks! X-TheBat-Version: 1.41 X-OS: Windows 95 4.0. B PE X-System-Info: iP-III-500/128 -- Best regards, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report (Redirect feature and non-relaying servers)
Hello! Thursday, March 16, 2000, 5:07, Justin D. Paine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JDP Well, if you use a server that allows relaying, it's only a matter JDP of time before it shows up on ORBS, and then a lot of mail servers JDP will begin rejecting all connections from it anyhow. I am administering some bunch of SMTP servers and have all of them protected from unwanted relaying/senders. As a system administrator I don't want to enable relaying in order to redirect some messages using any e-mail client - I'll forward them instead. However, a correct redirect implementation (see my original message) will be good for TB. JFYI, ORBS is not only one good spam-blocking system - have you heard about RBL? JDP Relaying used to be a great feature until spammers began abusing it. JDP sigh Sad but true (C) The Bat! :-) X-TheBat-Version: 1.41 X-OS: Windows 95 4.0. B PE X-System-Info: iP-III-500/128 -- Best regards, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How to open attached files with .EML file extensions?
Hello! Thursday, March 16, 2000, 4:50, Januk Aggarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JA Well, I am one of the ones who can open .eml files in TB's internal JA editor. I checked my registry, and there is only one key that has JA anything remotely close to having to do with .eml files. I don't JA think that it is really even relevant, however, I can't identify JA what it does. Since this particular key is somewhat long, I won't JA include it here. If anyone is interested, e-mail me and I can send JA it to you off-list. Januk Aggarwal was so glad to send me that registry key and now I'm able to say that we still have no progress in resolving this weird .eml problem... The registry key we are talking about belongs to a Windows Session Manager, not any file-associating procedures :-(. X-TheBat-Version: 1.41 X-OS: Windows 95 4.0. B PE X-System-Info: iP-III-500/128 -- Best regards, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: The Bat! - bug report (Redirect feature and non-relaying servers)
Hello Andrey, of course.. but RBL requires that a spammer actually exploits a server before it is blacklisted.. for inclusion in ORBS, a server just has to be open to relaying.. Makes no matter if it's ever been used for spam, the mere fact that "it could be" is enough to get it blacklisted. RBL=Realtime Blackhole List. ORBS=Open Relay Blackhole System Best regards, Justin Windows NT 5.0 Build:2195 Wednesday, March 15, 2000 8:01:01 PM I want to know God's thoughts, the rest are details. -Albert Einstein- ORIGINAL MESSAGE Wednesday, March 15, 2000, 6:31:25 PM, you wrote: AGSAA Hello! AGSAA Thursday, March 16, 2000, 5:07, Justin D. Paine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JDP Well, if you use a server that allows relaying, it's only a matter JDP of time before it shows up on ORBS, and then a lot of mail servers JDP will begin rejecting all connections from it anyhow. AGSAA I am administering some bunch of SMTP servers and have all of them AGSAA protected from unwanted relaying/senders. As a system administrator I AGSAA don't want to enable relaying in order to redirect some messages using AGSAA any e-mail client - I'll forward them instead. However, a correct AGSAA redirect implementation (see my original message) will be good for TB. AGSAA JFYI, ORBS is not only one good spam-blocking system - have you heard AGSAA about RBL? JDP Relaying used to be a great feature until spammers began abusing it. JDP sigh AGSAA Sad but true (C) The Bat! :-) AGSAA X-TheBat-Version: 1.41 AGSAA X-OS: Windows 95 4.0. B PE AGSAA X-System-Info: iP-III-500/128 -- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB! 1.41 download
Christopher, dia duit! On Sunday 15/03/2000 you posted the following comments to Nick @ [EMAIL PROTECTED]: big scissor snip C I asked for this change long long ago, but I was told that this is to C ensure that all the links always refer to the newest version. And C after some thinking I must agree with this, especially now, when I C started Polish support pages for TB and benefit from half-automatic C upgrading of the file on my server (full automation on its way)... C The constant filename really has its benefits! For users who autodownload the file from the same server each time I can't see that a filename change would serve any purpose; makes no difference really. However, for users who visually check FTP for the file, then perhaps a plaintext file named with the current version number could be placed in the folder so that everyone can identify the release. Beyond that, the executable could contain the version information ;) Slán anois, Simon send private mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Usin' TB! version: 1.41 !-- registered //-- M$ Winblows version: 4.10. A !-- Second Edition //-- ~~~ " A judge admonished the police in Radnor, Pa., for pretending a Xerox copy machine was a lie detector. Officials had placed a metal colander on the head of a suspect and attached the colander to the copier with metal wires. In the copy machine was a typewritten message: "He's lying." Each time investigators received answers they didn't like, they pushed the copy button and out popped the message, "He's lying." Apparently convinced the machine was accurate, the suspect confessed. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How to open attached files with .EML file extensions?
Thomas, dia duit! On Thursday 16/03/2000 you posted the following comments to Dennis @ [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hope no one minds. But this is a test posting. I have posted two messages to this list but they have some how mysteriously gone astray. Both were to Christopher Trybowski. Should have winged their way back to my mailbox hours ago. Slán anois, Simon send private mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Usin' TB! version: 1.41 !-- registered //-- M$ Winblows version: 4.10. A !-- Second Edition //-- ~~~ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Messages to TBUDL in hold up
A Chairde, This maybe a bit off TBUDL topics, but nonetheless, I shall endeavour to impose on some of you and your knowledge if you are agreeable. I posted some messages earlier to TBUDL. I created them at 20:50:51 + but they never arrived back in my mailbox 'till 04:11:36 -. Now I've been trying to make sense of one of the message headers, and have so far have only concluded that the message took about 6 hours and 40 mins to get from my ISP to TBUDL. From the header (below) it looks as if TBUDL didn't receive the message from my ISP until 04:11:36 -. Does this mean that for just under seven hours the message was floating around my ISPs SMTP servers? If anyone could shed some light on this I would be exceedingly grateful. This is the message header: ~ Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 4315 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2000 04:11:36 - Received: from unknown (HELO dutaint.com) (202.134.1.244) by dimple.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 16 Mar 2000 04:11:36 - Received: from mashie.force9.net by thebat.dutaint.com with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.1.R) for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:09:46 +0700 !-- to here, 6 hours Received: (qmail 223 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2000 22:32:33 - !-- from here Received: from rack.servers.plus.net.uk (212.159.2.65) by mashie.force9.net with SMTP; 15 Mar 2000 22:32:33 - Received: (qmail 3517 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2000 22:31:07 - Received: from unknown (HELO 38.02-03.quay.dial.plus.net.uk) (212.159.73.38) by rack.servers.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 15 Mar 2000 22:31:07 - !-- to here 40 odd minutes Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:50:51 + !-- from creation time From: Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.41) Personal Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Thunder in Uranus X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Christopher J. Trybowski" [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Thanks again Slán anois, Simon send private mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Usin' TB! v1.41 registered !-- hide from brain dead browsers //-- stop hiding from brain dead browsers -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
