Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

[Martin Sluka via Therion]

> 18. 4. 2020 v 22:25, Bruce Mutton :
> 
> I think it is a bug.  If the user hides all of the centreline objects, and 
> also hides all scrap objects (or something like that), then Therion should 
> trap the error and exit in a controlled manner, rather than letting metapost 
> get in a tangle and produce a mess of messages until it finally crashes.

Yes, it looks as it is bug. Because there are objects in that scrap - three 
stations from which Therion may „georeference“ sketch which is a part of the 
scrap too. Hide representation of objects means only to not include them in the 
final drawing. 

Martin


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Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

[Bruce Mutton]

> As you may see, your .th2 file include only those three stations (and
sketch). Probably it is bug in Therion that it not allows to hide stations
from the final output. I may imagine the reason - MetaPost works with one
scrap in time to interpret and draw that particular scrap. When it has
nothing in scrap it will produce error.

 

> symbol-hide group cave-centerline will cause an error, because there is
then no scrap to draw (Therion must have at least a scrap or a centreline to
draw - seems that scrap station points and images don't count).

 

I think it is a bug.  If the user hides all of the centreline objects, and
also hides all scrap objects (or something like that), then Therion should
trap the error and exit in a controlled manner, rather than letting metapost
get in a tangle and produce a mess of messages until it finally crashes.

 

Thanks for your insights Benoit, I had not thought of your approaches and
they helped me make some mental connections.  I guess redefining metapost
for 'area dimensions' is the same as specifying 'walls off' in the survey
file.

 

Bruce

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Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

[Benoit Martinez]

Hello Roger

if you use the symbol-hide point station, the scrap turn "empty" and the
TeX interpreter seems to be unable to get the size of the map...


if you want hide the stations points, you have to redefine the p_station
macro to do not draw the symbol in your layout :

  code metapost
def p_station (expr p, m, t)(text flags) = enddef;
  endcode

and if you want to use the "symbol-hide point station", you must add an
object in your scrap, like a "point entrance" or maybe some other object
without outline, but with clip off option

As same way, if you want hide the "artefact" when the survey lines aren't
hidden, just redefine the area dimensions :

code metapost
  def a_dimensions (expr p) = enddef; # don't draw the LRUD enveloppe
endcode

Benoit




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Le ven. 17 avr. 2020 à 21:12, Roger Schuster  a écrit :

> Hello cavers,
>
> finally I got it working and now I also can provide a complete example:
>
>
> 
> 
>
> (link will expire in seven days).
>
> To avoid the white artifact (see file kolkhoehle_artifact.pdf) it is
> necessary *not* to hide the survey stations! As soon as you use either
> the attribute -visibility off or use symbol-hide point station in your
> layout you will have a white trapezoid on the final pdf map. Only hiding
> the survey line is possible. As long as the stations are visible the
> resulting map is fine (see kolkhoehle_ok.pdf). Btw. symbol-hide group
> cave-centerline causes an error.
>
> Regards,
>
> Roger
> Am 13.04.2020 um 11:20 schrieb Roger Schuster:
>
> Hello cavers,
>
> currently I try to work with some legacy survey which are the original
> survey data and the final map with scale bar but without marked stations.
> My intention is to geo-reference the existing map (i.e. attaching the
> entrance location to the UTM grid) and use it in a cave atlas of the area.
> I don't want to redraw the whole map in Therion.
>
> I followed the directions given in the therion wiki and entered the survey
> data and the resulting model in Loch looks fine and plausible. After that I
> created a scrap with the scanned map (projection plan) and scaled it using
> the scale bar and the scaling tool of Xtherion map editor. I marked the
> location of the first survey station at the cave entrance and in the layout
> section of my thconfig I turned on sketch export. Unfortunately it doesn't
> work. The generated pdf only contains the map header (with wrong length and
> depth statistics btw!) and a short part of the first survey shot. I expect
> the whole scanned background image to be visible and in scale in the pdf.
> Honestly said I never got the "sketches on" working with any of my old and
> new maps. What I am doing wrong? Any pointer to the right direction is
> highly appreciated.
>
> Best regards and thanks in advance,
>
> Roger
>
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Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

[Martin Sluka via Therion]

> 17. 4. 2020 v 21:12, Roger Schuster :
> 
> To avoid the white artifact (see file kolkhoehle_artifact.pdf) it is 
> necessary not to hide the survey stations! As soon as you use either the 
> attribute -visibility off or use symbol-hide point station in your layout you 
> will have a white trapezoid on the final pdf map. Only hiding the survey line 
> is possible. As long as the stations are visible the resulting map is fine 
> (see kolkhoehle_ok.pdf). Btw. symbol-hide group cave-centerline causes an 
> error.

As you may see, your .th2 file include only those three stations (and sketch). 
Probably it is bug in Therion that it not allows to hide stations from the 
final output. I may imagine the reason - MetaPost works with one scrap in time 
to interpret and draw that particular scrap. When it has nothing in scrap it 
will produce error.

Martin

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Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

[Roger Schuster]

Hello cavers,

finally I got it working and now I also can provide a complete example:



(link will expire in seven days).

To avoid the white artifact (see file kolkhoehle_artifact.pdf) it is 
necessary *not* to hide the survey stations! As soon as you use either 
the attribute -visibility off or use symbol-hide point station in your 
layout you will have a white trapezoid on the final pdf map. Only hiding 
the survey line is possible. As long as the stations are visible the 
resulting map is fine (see kolkhoehle_ok.pdf). Btw. symbol-hide group 
cave-centerline causes an error.


Regards,

Roger

Am 13.04.2020 um 11:20 schrieb Roger Schuster:

Hello cavers,

currently I try to work with some legacy survey which are the original 
survey data and the final map with scale bar but without marked 
stations. My intention is to geo-reference the existing map (i.e. 
attaching the entrance location to the UTM grid) and use it in a cave 
atlas of the area. I don't want to redraw the whole map in Therion.


I followed the directions given in the therion wiki and entered the 
survey data and the resulting model in Loch looks fine and plausible. 
After that I created a scrap with the scanned map (projection plan) 
and scaled it using the scale bar and the scaling tool of Xtherion map 
editor. I marked the location of the first survey station at the cave 
entrance and in the layout section of my thconfig I turned on sketch 
export. Unfortunately it doesn't work. The generated pdf only contains 
the map header (with wrong length and depth statistics btw!) and a 
short part of the first survey shot. I expect the whole scanned 
background image to be visible and in scale in the pdf. Honestly said 
I never got the "sketches on" working with any of my old and new maps. 
What I am doing wrong? Any pointer to the right direction is highly 
appreciated.


Best regards and thanks in advance,

Roger

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Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

[Benedikt Hallinger]

What Tarquin said:
You can use "symbol-hide group cave-centerline" to hide all centerline 
relevant symbols.


Am 2020-04-15 20:19, schrieb Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion:

symbol-hide line centerline does *not *work (unknown symbol


centreline is not a valid line type, so you cannot use the keyword
"line" with it. (That is to say, it's not a type of line that you can
select from the dropdown when you are creating a line in XTherion.)

The line is called "survey" (with subtypes survey:cave and
survey:surface that you can select in XTherion), and Therion
automatically generates lines of that type when you ask it to render a
PDF. It also draws stations (subtypes painted, fixed, temporary,
natural). These are all grouped together as "cave-centreline" when
inside a cave (flags not surface) and surface-centreline (flags
surface), and those two groups are grouped into "centreline".

group centreline
|-group cave-centerline
| |-line survey
| | `-line survey:cave
| `-point station
|   |-point station:fixed
|   |-point station:natural
|   |-point station:painted
|   `-point station:temporary
`-group surface-centerline
  |-line survey
  | `-line survey:surface
  `-point station
|-point station:fixed
|-point station:natural
|-point station:painted
`-point station:temporary

And yes, that does mean that you cannot selectively hide just the
stations that are on the surface. But you can hide the parent group, 
and

then unhide the other things you want to appear...

symbol-hide group surface-centerline
symbol-show line survey:surface

I have not tested if this would actually work, but I think it should.
Have fun, and see what happens.

Hope this makes sense.
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Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

[Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion]

> symbol-hide line centerline does *not *work (unknown symbol

centreline is not a valid line type, so you cannot use the keyword
"line" with it. (That is to say, it's not a type of line that you can
select from the dropdown when you are creating a line in XTherion.)

The line is called "survey" (with subtypes survey:cave and
survey:surface that you can select in XTherion), and Therion
automatically generates lines of that type when you ask it to render a
PDF. It also draws stations (subtypes painted, fixed, temporary,
natural). These are all grouped together as "cave-centreline" when
inside a cave (flags not surface) and surface-centreline (flags
surface), and those two groups are grouped into "centreline".

group centreline
|-group cave-centerline
| |-line survey
| | `-line survey:cave
| `-point station
|   |-point station:fixed
|   |-point station:natural
|   |-point station:painted
|   `-point station:temporary
`-group surface-centerline
  |-line survey
  | `-line survey:surface
  `-point station
|-point station:fixed
|-point station:natural
|-point station:painted
`-point station:temporary

And yes, that does mean that you cannot selectively hide just the
stations that are on the surface. But you can hide the parent group, and
then unhide the other things you want to appear...

symbol-hide group surface-centerline
symbol-show line survey:surface

I have not tested if this would actually work, but I think it should.
Have fun, and see what happens.

Hope this makes sense.
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Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

[Roger Schuster]

Hi cavers,

I did some more experiments with this and another cave survey. In the 
other cave the following commands do work as expected: symbol-hide point 
station, symbol-hide line survey and symbol-hide group cave-centerline. 
symbol-hide line centerline does *not *work (unknown symbol 
specification). Spelling centerline vs. centreline does not matter. On 
the generated map output of this cave there are no strange artifacts. 
Only my drawing and the morphed sketches.


With the current survey we are talking about only symbol-hide point  
station works; all other commands resulting in various errors which I 
have posted already.


Regards,

Roger

Am 14.04.2020 um 21:51 schrieb Bruce Mutton:


Or symbol-hide group cave-centreline

*From:*Bruce Mutton 
*Sent:* Wednesday, 15 April 2020 07:44
*To:* 'List for Therion users' 
*Subject:* RE: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

Try this spelling - centreline

*From:*Therion <mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk>> *On Behalf Of *Roger Schuster

*Sent:* Wednesday, 15 April 2020 07:37
*To:* List for Therion users <mailto:therion@speleo.sk>>

*Subject:* Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

Hi,

this results in the following error:

symbol-hide line centerline: error -- thconfig [12] -- thconfig [12] 
-- unknown symbol specification -- line centerline


Roger

-- Originalnachricht --

Von: "Xavier Robert" <mailto:xavier.rob...@univ-grenoble-alpes.fr>>


An: "List for Therion users" <mailto:therion@speleo.sk>>


Gesendet: 14.04.2020 20:45:38

Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

Hi,

I may be wrong, but it looks like if you plot the centerline ?

In your thconfig, if you add "symbol-hide line centerline", does
it solve your problem ?

Cheers,


Xavier



*De: *"Roger Schuster" mailto:ro...@r-schuster.de>>
*À: *"List for Therion users" mailto:therion@speleo.sk>>
*Envoyé: *Mardi 14 Avril 2020 13:31:25
*Objet: *Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

Hi cavers,

symbol-hide doesn't change anything. Here is a screen shot of the
white, trapezoid "artifact":

As said I marked two stations (-visibility off) at opposite ends
of the cave on the map getting this white "things". When I use
color map-fg the trapezoid is filled in the given foreground
color. I use Therion 5.4.4 btw.

Regards,

Roger

-- Originalnachricht --

Von: "Torsten Schnitter via Therion" mailto:therion@speleo.sk>>

An: "List for Therion users" mailto:therion@speleo.sk>>

    Cc: "Torsten Schnitter" mailto:torsten.schnit...@netcologne.de>>

Gesendet: 14.04.2020 08:50:24

Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

Hi Roger

I'm not sure about your problem with the "artifacts" but try
"symbol-hide point station" in your layout definition for the map.
(maybe also "symbol-hide line survey")

Just a guess...

cheers,
Torsten

Roger Schuster mailto:ro...@r-schuster.de>> hat am 13. April 2020 um
19:00 geschrieben:

Hello again,

finally I got it working and if I compare the output of
Therion with the original map on paper there is only a
tiny bit of distortion. Both maps match quite nicely.
There are just two things I don't understand:

There is a white, trapezoid gap on the map which isn't on
the background image (of course). I guess it has something
to do with the morphing - is there a way to get rid of
this artifact?

I also noticed that length and depth statistics in the map
header (registers \cavelength and \cavedepth) are wrong
while in the log file it's right. The values in the
registers obviously depend on which stations / surveys are
marked and to get the same values as in the log at least
one station of each survey has to be marked (unfortunately
each mark results in a more or less ugly white trapezoid
as mentioned above). This is the reason why I decided to
override the registers in code tex-map.

Unfortunately I can't post the map here because of
copyright reasons.

Best regards,

Roger

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    <mailto:omri...@gmail.com>>

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Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

[Roger Schuster]

I tried this already and it results in an even more strange error. A 
very long error message starting with:


**data.tex
(./data.tex (./th_enc.tex) (./th_texts.tex) (./th_resources.tex
(c:/Program Files (x86)/Therion/texmf/tex/glyphtounicode.tex))
(./th_fontdef.tex{c:/Program Files 
(x86)/Therion/texmf/fonts/pdftex.map})

(./th_formdef.tex) (./th_pagedef.tex
! Missing number, treated as zero.

   i
l.2 \hsize=-i
 nfbp
A number should have been here; I inserted `0'.
(If you can't figure out why I needed to see a number,
look up `weird error' in the index to The TeXbook.)

Roger
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Von: "Xavier Robert" 
An: "List for Therion users" 
Gesendet: 14.04.2020 21:44:22
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Oups, sorry, I have answer without searching in my thconfigs... The 
right command is


symbol-hide line survey

Cheers

Xavier


De: "Roger Schuster" 
À: "List for Therion users" 
Envoyé: Mardi 14 Avril 2020 14:36:31
Objet: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

Hi,

this results in the following error:

symbol-hide line centerline: error -- thconfig [12] -- thconfig [12] -- 
unknown symbol specification -- line centerline


Roger

-- Originalnachricht --
Von: "Xavier Robert" 
An: "List for Therion users" 
Gesendet: 14.04.2020 20:45:38
Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey


Hi,

I may be wrong, but it looks like if you plot the centerline ?

In your thconfig, if you add "symbol-hide line centerline", does it 
solve your problem ?


Cheers,

Xavier


De: "Roger Schuster" 
À: "List for Therion users" 
Envoyé: Mardi 14 Avril 2020 13:31:25
Objet: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

Hi cavers,

symbol-hide doesn't change anything. Here is a screen shot of the 
white, trapezoid "artifact":


As said I marked two stations (-visibility off) at opposite ends of 
the cave on the map getting this white "things". When I use color 
map-fg the trapezoid is filled in the given foreground color. I use 
Therion 5.4.4 btw.


Regards,

Roger

-- Originalnachricht --
Von: "Torsten Schnitter via Therion" 
An: "List for Therion users" 
Cc: "Torsten Schnitter" 
Gesendet: 14.04.2020 08:50:24
Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey


Hi Roger

I'm not sure about your problem with the "artifacts" but try
"symbol-hide point station" in your layout definition for the map.
(maybe also "symbol-hide line survey")

Just a guess...

cheers,
Torsten

Roger Schuster  hat am 13. April 2020 um 19:00 
geschrieben:


Hello again,

finally I got it working and if I compare the output of Therion with 
the original map on paper there is only a tiny bit of distortion. 
Both maps match quite nicely. There are just two things I don't 
understand:


There is a white, trapezoid gap on the map which isn't on the 
background image (of course). I guess it has something to do with 
the morphing - is there a way to get rid of this artifact?


I also noticed that length and depth statistics in the map header 
(registers \cavelength and \cavedepth) are wrong while in the log 
file it's right. The values in the registers obviously depend on 
which stations / surveys are marked and to get the same values as in 
the log at least one station of each survey has to be marked 
(unfortunately each mark results in a more or less ugly white 
trapezoid as mentioned above). This is the reason why I decided to 
override the registers in code tex-map.


Unfortunately I can't post the map here because of copyright 
reasons.


Best regards,

Roger

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An: "List for Therion users" < therion@speleo.sk>
Gesendet: 13.04.2020 14:06:17
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You can use the debug function to see how bad is the distortion and 
change the position of the station accordingly until you are happy 
with the result.


On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 2:52 PM Roger Schuster < ro...@r-schuster.de> 
wrote:

Hello all,

thank you for your answers. Projection none doesn't work - all 
survey lines will appear on the pdf but not the scanned map. So I 
tried projection plan again and marked a second station and this 
did the trick. The background is now on the output as I expected. 
One problem I need to solve: The stations aren't marked on the map 
so I've to guess where they are... My estimation shouldn't be too 
far off to prevent unwanted distortions of the map.


Thanks again for your support!

Roger

-- Originalnachricht --
Von: "Mar

Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

[Xavier Robert]

Oups, sorry, I have answer without searching in my thconfigs... The right 
command is 

symbol-hide line survey 

Cheers 

Xavier 


De: "Roger Schuster"  
À: "List for Therion users"  
Envoyé: Mardi 14 Avril 2020 14:36:31 
Objet: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey 

Hi, 

this results in the following error: 

symbol-hide line centerline: error -- thconfig [12] -- thconfig [12] -- unknown 
symbol specification -- line centerline 

Roger 

-- Originalnachricht -- 
Von: "Xavier Robert" < [ mailto:xavier.rob...@univ-grenoble-alpes.fr | 
xavier.rob...@univ-grenoble-alpes.fr ] > 
An: "List for Therion users" < [ mailto:therion@speleo.sk | therion@speleo.sk ] 
> 
Gesendet: 14.04.2020 20:45:38 
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Hi, 

I may be wrong, but it looks like if you plot the centerline ? 

In your thconfig, if you add "symbol-hide line centerline", does it solve your 
problem ? 

Cheers, 

Xavier 


De: "Roger Schuster" < [ mailto:ro...@r-schuster.de | ro...@r-schuster.de ] > 
À: "List for Therion users" < [ mailto:therion@speleo.sk | therion@speleo.sk ] 
> 
Envoyé: Mardi 14 Avril 2020 13:31:25 
Objet: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey 

Hi cavers, 

symbol-hide doesn't change anything. Here is a screen shot of the white, 
trapezoid "artifact": 

As said I marked two stations (-visibility off) at opposite ends of the cave on 
the map getting this white "things". When I use color map-fg the trapezoid is 
filled in the given foreground color. I use Therion 5.4.4 btw. 

Regards, 

Roger 

-- Originalnachricht -- 
Von: "Torsten Schnitter via Therion" < [ mailto:therion@speleo.sk | 
therion@speleo.sk ] > 
An: "List for Therion users" < [ mailto:therion@speleo.sk | therion@speleo.sk ] 
> 
Cc: "Torsten Schnitter" < [ mailto:torsten.schnit...@netcologne.de | 
torsten.schnit...@netcologne.de ] > 
Gesendet: 14.04.2020 08:50:24 
Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey 


BQ_BEGIN


Hi Roger 


I'm not sure about your problem with the "artifacts" but try 
"symbol-hide point station" in your layout definition for the map. 
(maybe also "symbol-hide line survey") 


Just a guess... 


cheers, 
Torsten 

BQ_BEGIN
Roger Schuster < [ mailto:ro...@r-schuster.de | ro...@r-schuster.de ] > hat am 
13. April 2020 um 19:00 geschrieben: 

Hello again, 

finally I got it working and if I compare the output of Therion with the 
original map on paper there is only a tiny bit of distortion. Both maps match 
quite nicely. There are just two things I don't understand: 

There is a white, trapezoid gap on the map which isn't on the background image 
(of course). I guess it has something to do with the morphing - is there a way 
to get rid of this artifact? 

I also noticed that length and depth statistics in the map header (registers 
\cavelength and \cavedepth) are wrong while in the log file it's right. The 
values in the registers obviously depend on which stations / surveys are marked 
and to get the same values as in the log at least one station of each survey 
has to be marked (unfortunately each mark results in a more or less ugly white 
trapezoid as mentioned above). This is the reason why I decided to override the 
registers in code tex-map. 

Unfortunately I can't post the map here because of copyright reasons. 

Best regards, 

Roger 

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An: "List for Therion users" < [ mailto:therion@speleo.sk | therion@speleo.sk ] 
> 
Gesendet: 13.04.2020 14:06:17 
Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey 


BQ_BEGIN

You can use the debug function to see how bad is the distortion and change the 
position of the station accordingly until you are happy with the result. 

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 2:52 PM Roger Schuster < [ mailto:ro...@r-schuster.de | 
ro...@r-schuster.de ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Hello all, 

thank you for your answers. Projection none doesn't work - all survey lines 
will appear on the pdf but not the scanned map. So I tried projection plan 
again and marked a second station and this did the trick. The background is now 
on the output as I expected. One problem I need to solve: The stations aren't 
marked on the map so I've to guess where they are... My estimation shouldn't be 
too far off to prevent unwanted distortions of the map. 

Thanks again for your support! 

Roger 

-- Originalnachricht -- 
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therion@speleo.sk ] > 
An: "List for Therion users" < [ mailto:therion@speleo.sk | therion@speleo.sk ] 
> 
Cc: "Martin Sluka" < [ mailto:martinsl...

Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

[Bruce Mutton]

Try this spelling - centreline

 

From: Therion  On Behalf Of Roger Schuster
Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2020 07:37
To: List for Therion users 
Subject: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

 

Hi,

 

this results in the following error:

 

symbol-hide line centerline: error -- thconfig [12] -- thconfig [12] -- unknown 
symbol specification -- line centerline

 

Roger

 

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An: "List for Therion users" mailto:therion@speleo.sk> >

Gesendet: 14.04.2020 20:45:38

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Hi,

 

I may be wrong, but it looks like if you plot the centerline ? 

 

In your thconfig, if you add "symbol-hide line centerline", does it solve your 
problem ?

 

Cheers,


Xavier

 


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De: "Roger Schuster" mailto:ro...@r-schuster.de> >
À: "List for Therion users" mailto:therion@speleo.sk> >
Envoyé: Mardi 14 Avril 2020 13:31:25
Objet: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

 

Hi cavers,

 

symbol-hide doesn't change anything. Here is a screen shot of the white, 
trapezoid "artifact":

 



As said I marked two stations (-visibility off) at opposite ends of the cave on 
the map getting this white "things". When I use color map-fg the trapezoid is 
filled in the given foreground color. I use Therion 5.4.4 btw.

 

Regards,

 

Roger

 

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Gesendet: 14.04.2020 08:50:24

Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

 

Hi Roger

I'm not sure about your problem with the "artifacts" but try
"symbol-hide point station" in your layout definition for the map.
(maybe also "symbol-hide line survey")

Just a guess...

cheers,
Torsten

Roger Schuster mailto:ro...@r-schuster.de> > hat am 13. 
April 2020 um 19:00 geschrieben: 

Hello again,

 

finally I got it working and if I compare the output of Therion with the 
original map on paper there is only a tiny bit of distortion. Both maps match 
quite nicely. There are just two things I don't understand:

 

There is a white, trapezoid gap on the map which isn't on the background image 
(of course). I guess it has something to do with the morphing - is there a way 
to get rid of this artifact? 

 

I also noticed that length and depth statistics in the map header (registers 
\cavelength and \cavedepth) are wrong while in the log file it's right. The 
values in the registers obviously depend on which stations / surveys are marked 
and to get the same values as in the log at least one station of each survey 
has to be marked (unfortunately each mark results in a more or less ugly white 
trapezoid as mentioned above). This is the reason why I decided to override the 
registers in code tex-map.

 

Unfortunately I can't post the map here because of copyright reasons.

 

Best regards,

 

Roger

 

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You can use the debug function to see how bad is the distortion and change the 
position of the station accordingly until you are happy with the result. 

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 2:52 PM Roger Schuster < ro...@r-schuster.de 
<mailto:ro...@r-schuster.de> > wrote: 

Hello all,

 

thank you for your answers. Projection none doesn't work - all survey lines 
will appear on the pdf but not the scanned map. So I tried projection plan 
again and marked a second station and this did the trick. The background is now 
on the output as I expected. One problem I need to solve: The stations aren't 
marked on the map so I've to guess where they are... My estimation shouldn't be 
too far off to prevent unwanted distortions of the map. 

 

Thanks again for your support!

 

Roger

 

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An: "List for Therion users" < therion@speleo.sk <mailto:therion@speleo.sk> >

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Gesendet: 13.04.2020 12:28:40

Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

 

 

 

13. 4. 2020 v 11:20, Roger Schuster < ro...@r-schuster.de 
<mailto:ro...@r-schuster.de> >:

 

After that I created a scrap with the 

Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

[Roger Schuster]

Hi,

this results in the following error:

symbol-hide line centerline: error -- thconfig [12] -- thconfig [12] -- 
unknown symbol specification -- line centerline


Roger

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Gesendet: 14.04.2020 20:45:38
Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey


Hi,

I may be wrong, but it looks like if you plot the centerline ?

In your thconfig, if you add "symbol-hide line centerline", does it 
solve your problem ?


Cheers,

Xavier


De: "Roger Schuster" 
À: "List for Therion users" 
Envoyé: Mardi 14 Avril 2020 13:31:25
Objet: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

Hi cavers,

symbol-hide doesn't change anything. Here is a screen shot of the 
white, trapezoid "artifact":


As said I marked two stations (-visibility off) at opposite ends of the 
cave on the map getting this white "things". When I use color map-fg 
the trapezoid is filled in the given foreground color. I use Therion 
5.4.4 btw.


Regards,

Roger

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Von: "Torsten Schnitter via Therion" 
An: "List for Therion users" 
Cc: "Torsten Schnitter" 
Gesendet: 14.04.2020 08:50:24
Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey


Hi Roger

I'm not sure about your problem with the "artifacts" but try
"symbol-hide point station" in your layout definition for the map.
(maybe also "symbol-hide line survey")

Just a guess...

cheers,
Torsten

Roger Schuster  hat am 13. April 2020 um 19:00 
geschrieben:


Hello again,

finally I got it working and if I compare the output of Therion with 
the original map on paper there is only a tiny bit of distortion. 
Both maps match quite nicely. There are just two things I don't 
understand:


There is a white, trapezoid gap on the map which isn't on the 
background image (of course). I guess it has something to do with the 
morphing - is there a way to get rid of this artifact?


I also noticed that length and depth statistics in the map header 
(registers \cavelength and \cavedepth) are wrong while in the log 
file it's right. The values in the registers obviously depend on 
which stations / surveys are marked and to get the same values as in 
the log at least one station of each survey has to be marked 
(unfortunately each mark results in a more or less ugly white 
trapezoid as mentioned above). This is the reason why I decided to 
override the registers in code tex-map.


Unfortunately I can't post the map here because of copyright reasons.

Best regards,

Roger

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An: "List for Therion users" < therion@speleo.sk>
Gesendet: 13.04.2020 14:06:17
Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

You can use the debug function to see how bad is the distortion and 
change the position of the station accordingly until you are happy 
with the result.


On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 2:52 PM Roger Schuster < ro...@r-schuster.de> 
wrote:

Hello all,

thank you for your answers. Projection none doesn't work - all 
survey lines will appear on the pdf but not the scanned map. So I 
tried projection plan again and marked a second station and this 
did the trick. The background is now on the output as I expected. 
One problem I need to solve: The stations aren't marked on the map 
so I've to guess where they are... My estimation shouldn't be too 
far off to prevent unwanted distortions of the map.


Thanks again for your support!

Roger

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Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey





13. 4. 2020 v 11:20, Roger Schuster < ro...@r-schuster.de>:

After that I created a scrap with the scanned map (projection 
plan) and scaled it using the scale bar and the scaling tool of 
Xtherion map editor.


I’m afraid it will work only for "projection none" as for 
sections.


For plan you should use minimally two stations because Therion 
georeferences each scrap according those stations.


Martin

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Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

[Xavier Robert]

Hi, 

I may be wrong, but it looks like if you plot the centerline ? 

In your thconfig, if you add "symbol-hide line centerline", does it solve your 
problem ? 

Cheers, 

Xavier 


De: "Roger Schuster"  
À: "List for Therion users"  
Envoyé: Mardi 14 Avril 2020 13:31:25 
Objet: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey 

Hi cavers, 

symbol-hide doesn't change anything. Here is a screen shot of the white, 
trapezoid "artifact": 

As said I marked two stations (-visibility off) at opposite ends of the cave on 
the map getting this white "things". When I use color map-fg the trapezoid is 
filled in the given foreground color. I use Therion 5.4.4 btw. 

Regards, 

Roger 

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therion@speleo.sk ] > 
An: "List for Therion users" < [ mailto:therion@speleo.sk | therion@speleo.sk ] 
> 
Cc: "Torsten Schnitter" < [ mailto:torsten.schnit...@netcologne.de | 
torsten.schnit...@netcologne.de ] > 
Gesendet: 14.04.2020 08:50:24 
Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey 





Hi Roger 


I'm not sure about your problem with the "artifacts" but try 
"symbol-hide point station" in your layout definition for the map. 
(maybe also "symbol-hide line survey") 


Just a guess... 


cheers, 
Torsten 

BQ_BEGIN
Roger Schuster < [ mailto:ro...@r-schuster.de | ro...@r-schuster.de ] > hat am 
13. April 2020 um 19:00 geschrieben: 

Hello again, 

finally I got it working and if I compare the output of Therion with the 
original map on paper there is only a tiny bit of distortion. Both maps match 
quite nicely. There are just two things I don't understand: 

There is a white, trapezoid gap on the map which isn't on the background image 
(of course). I guess it has something to do with the morphing - is there a way 
to get rid of this artifact? 

I also noticed that length and depth statistics in the map header (registers 
\cavelength and \cavedepth) are wrong while in the log file it's right. The 
values in the registers obviously depend on which stations / surveys are marked 
and to get the same values as in the log at least one station of each survey 
has to be marked (unfortunately each mark results in a more or less ugly white 
trapezoid as mentioned above). This is the reason why I decided to override the 
registers in code tex-map. 

Unfortunately I can't post the map here because of copyright reasons. 

Best regards, 

Roger 

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You can use the debug function to see how bad is the distortion and change the 
position of the station accordingly until you are happy with the result. 

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 2:52 PM Roger Schuster < [ mailto:ro...@r-schuster.de | 
ro...@r-schuster.de ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Hello all, 

thank you for your answers. Projection none doesn't work - all survey lines 
will appear on the pdf but not the scanned map. So I tried projection plan 
again and marked a second station and this did the trick. The background is now 
on the output as I expected. One problem I need to solve: The stations aren't 
marked on the map so I've to guess where they are... My estimation shouldn't be 
too far off to prevent unwanted distortions of the map. 

Thanks again for your support! 

Roger 

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Cc: "Martin Sluka" < [ mailto:martinsl...@mac.com | martinsl...@mac.com ] > 
Gesendet: 13.04.2020 12:28:40 
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BQ_BEGIN



BQ_BEGIN

13. 4. 2020 v 11:20, Roger Schuster < [ mailto:ro...@r-schuster.de | 
ro...@r-schuster.de ] >: 

After that I created a scrap with the scanned map (projection plan) and scaled 
it using the scale bar and the scaling tool of Xtherion map editor. 




I’m afraid it will work only for "projection none" as for sections. 

For plan you should use minimally two stations because Therion georeferences 
each scrap according those stations. 

Martin 

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Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

[Roger Schuster]

Hi cavers,

symbol-hide doesn't change anything. Here is a screen shot of the white, 
trapezoid "artifact":


As said I marked two stations (-visibility off) at opposite ends of the 
cave on the map getting this white "things". When I use color map-fg the 
trapezoid is filled in the given foreground color. I use Therion 5.4.4 
btw.


Regards,

Roger

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Von: "Torsten Schnitter via Therion" 
An: "List for Therion users" 
Cc: "Torsten Schnitter" 
Gesendet: 14.04.2020 08:50:24
Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey


Hi Roger

I'm not sure about your problem with the "artifacts" but try
"symbol-hide point station" in your layout definition for the map.
(maybe also "symbol-hide line survey")

Just a guess...

cheers,
Torsten

Roger Schuster  hat am 13. April 2020 um 19:00 
geschrieben:


Hello again,

finally I got it working and if I compare the output of Therion with 
the original map on paper there is only a tiny bit of distortion. Both 
maps match quite nicely. There are just two things I don't understand:


There is a white, trapezoid gap on the map which isn't on the 
background image (of course). I guess it has something to do with the 
morphing - is there a way to get rid of this artifact?


I also noticed that length and depth statistics in the map header 
(registers \cavelength and \cavedepth) are wrong while in the log file 
it's right. The values in the registers obviously depend on which 
stations / surveys are marked and to get the same values as in the log 
at least one station of each survey has to be marked (unfortunately 
each mark results in a more or less ugly white trapezoid as mentioned 
above). This is the reason why I decided to override the registers in 
code tex-map.


Unfortunately I can't post the map here because of copyright reasons.

Best regards,

Roger

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An: "List for Therion users" < therion@speleo.sk>
Gesendet: 13.04.2020 14:06:17
Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

You can use the debug function to see how bad is the distortion and 
change the position of the station accordingly until you are happy 
with the result.


On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 2:52 PM Roger Schuster < ro...@r-schuster.de> 
wrote:

Hello all,

thank you for your answers. Projection none doesn't work - all 
survey lines will appear on the pdf but not the scanned map. So I 
tried projection plan again and marked a second station and this did 
the trick. The background is now on the output as I expected. One 
problem I need to solve: The stations aren't marked on the map so 
I've to guess where they are... My estimation shouldn't be too far 
off to prevent unwanted distortions of the map.


Thanks again for your support!

Roger

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An: "List for Therion users" < therion@speleo.sk>
Cc: "Martin Sluka" < martinsl...@mac.com>
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13. 4. 2020 v 11:20, Roger Schuster < ro...@r-schuster.de>:

After that I created a scrap with the scanned map (projection 
plan) and scaled it using the scale bar and the scaling tool of 
Xtherion map editor.


I’m afraid it will work only for "projection none" as for sections.

For plan you should use minimally two stations because Therion 
georeferences each scrap according those stations.


Martin

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[Martin Sluka via Therion]

May you send just screenshot of that problem you described?

Martin

Odesláno z iPhonu

14. 4. 2020 v 8:50, Torsten Schnitter via Therion :

> Hi Roger
> 
> I'm not sure about your problem with the "artifacts" but try
> "symbol-hide point station" in your layout definition for the map.
> (maybe also "symbol-hide line survey")
> 
> Just a guess...
> 
> cheers,
> Torsten
> 
>> Roger Schuster  hat am 13. April 2020 um 19:00 
>> geschrieben: 
>> 
>> Hello again,
>> 
>> finally I got it working and if I compare the output of Therion with the 
>> original map on paper there is only a tiny bit of distortion. Both maps 
>> match quite nicely. There are just two things I don't understand:
>> 
>> There is a white, trapezoid gap on the map which isn't on the background 
>> image (of course). I guess it has something to do with the morphing - is 
>> there a way to get rid of this artifact? 
>> 
>> I also noticed that length and depth statistics in the map header (registers 
>> \cavelength and \cavedepth) are wrong while in the log file it's right. The 
>> values in the registers obviously depend on which stations / surveys are 
>> marked and to get the same values as in the log at least one station of each 
>> survey has to be marked (unfortunately each mark results in a more or less 
>> ugly white trapezoid as mentioned above). This is the reason why I decided 
>> to override the registers in code tex-map.
>> 
>> Unfortunately I can't post the map here because of copyright reasons.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Roger
>> 
>> -- Originalnachricht --
>> Von: "עמרי גסטר" < omri...@gmail.com>
>> An: "List for Therion users" < therion@speleo.sk>
>> Gesendet: 13.04.2020 14:06:17
>> Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey
>> 
>>> You can use the debug function to see how bad is the distortion and change 
>>> the position of the station accordingly until you are happy with the 
>>> result. 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 2:52 PM Roger Schuster < ro...@r-schuster.de> wrote: 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> thank you for your answers. Projection none doesn't work - all survey lines 
>>> will appear on the pdf but not the scanned map. So I tried projection plan 
>>> again and marked a second station and this did the trick. The background is 
>>> now on the output as I expected. One problem I need to solve: The stations 
>>> aren't marked on the map so I've to guess where they are... My estimation 
>>> shouldn't be too far off to prevent unwanted distortions of the map. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks again for your support!
>>> 
>>> Roger
>>> 
>>> -- Originalnachricht --
>>> Von: "Martin Sluka via Therion" < therion@speleo.sk>
>>> An: "List for Therion users" < therion@speleo.sk>
>>> Cc: "Martin Sluka" < martinsl...@mac.com>
>>> Gesendet: 13.04.2020 12:28:40
>>> Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 13. 4. 2020 v 11:20, Roger Schuster < ro...@r-schuster.de>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> After that I created a scrap with the scanned map (projection plan) and 
>>>>> scaled it using the scale bar and the scaling tool of Xtherion map 
>>>>> editor. 
>>>> 
>>>> I’m afraid it will work only for "projection none" as for sections.
>>>> 
>>>> For plan you should use minimally two stations because Therion 
>>>> georeferences each scrap according those stations.
>>>> 
>>>> Martin
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Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

[Torsten Schnitter via Therion]

Hi Roger

I'm not sure about your problem with the "artifacts" but try
"symbol-hide point station" in your layout definition for the map.
(maybe also "symbol-hide line survey")

Just a guess...

cheers,
Torsten

> Roger Schuster  hat am 13. April 2020 um 19:00 
> geschrieben:
> 
> Hello again,
> 
> finally I got it working and if I compare the output of Therion with the 
> original map on paper there is only a tiny bit of distortion. Both maps match 
> quite nicely. There are just two things I don't understand:
> 
> There is a white, trapezoid gap on the map which isn't on the background 
> image (of course). I guess it has something to do with the morphing - is 
> there a way to get rid of this artifact? 
> 
> I also noticed that length and depth statistics in the map header 
> (registers \cavelength and \cavedepth) are wrong while in the log file it's 
> right. The values in the registers obviously depend on which stations / 
> surveys are marked and to get the same values as in the log at least one 
> station of each survey has to be marked (unfortunately each mark results in a 
> more or less ugly white trapezoid as mentioned above). This is the reason why 
> I decided to override the registers in code tex-map.
> 
> Unfortunately I can't post the map here because of copyright reasons.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Roger
> 
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>     An: "List for Therion users" < therion@speleo.sk mailto:therion@speleo.sk 
> >
> Gesendet: 13.04.2020 14:06:17
> Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey
> 
> 
> > > You can use the debug function to see how bad is the 
> distortion and change the position of the station accordingly until you are 
> happy with the result.
> > 
> > On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 2:52 PM Roger Schuster < ro...@r-schuster.de 
> > mailto:ro...@r-schuster.de > wrote:
> > 
> > > > > Hello all,
> > > 
> > > thank you for your answers. Projection none doesn't work - 
> > > all survey lines will appear on the pdf but not the scanned map. So I 
> > > tried projection plan again and marked a second station and this did the 
> > > trick. The background is now on the output as I expected. One problem I 
> > > need to solve: The stations aren't marked on the map so I've to guess 
> > > where they are... My estimation shouldn't be too far off to prevent 
> > > unwanted distortions of the map. 
> > > 
> > > Thanks again for your support!
> > > 
> > > Roger
> > > 
> > > -- Originalnachricht --
> > >     Von: "Martin Sluka via Therion" < therion@speleo.sk 
> > > mailto:therion@speleo.sk >
> > > An: "List for Therion users" < therion@speleo.sk 
> > > mailto:therion@speleo.sk >
> > > Cc: "Martin Sluka" < martinsl...@mac.com 
> > > mailto:martinsl...@mac.com >
> > > Gesendet: 13.04.2020 12:28:40
> > > Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy 
> > > survey
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 13. 4. 2020 v 11:20, 
> > > > Roger Schuster < ro...@r-schuster.de mailto:ro...@r-schuster.de >:
> > > > > 
> > > > > After that I created a scrap with the scanned map 
> > > > > (projection plan) and scaled it using the scale bar and the scaling 
> > > > > tool of Xtherion map editor. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > I’m afraid it will work only for "projection none" as 
> > > > for sections.
> > > > 
> > > > For plan you should use minimally two stations because 
> > > > Therion georeferences each scrap according those stations.
> > > > 
> > > > Martin
> > > > 
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Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

[Roger Schuster]

Hello again,

finally I got it working and if I compare the output of Therion with the 
original map on paper there is only a tiny bit of distortion. Both maps 
match quite nicely. There are just two things I don't understand:


There is a white, trapezoid gap on the map which isn't on the background 
image (of course). I guess it has something to do with the morphing - is 
there a way to get rid of this artifact?


I also noticed that length and depth statistics in the map header 
(registers \cavelength and \cavedepth) are wrong while in the log file 
it's right. The values in the registers obviously depend on which 
stations / surveys are marked and to get the same values as in the log 
at least one station of each survey has to be marked (unfortunately each 
mark results in a more or less ugly white trapezoid as mentioned above). 
This is the reason why I decided to override the registers in code 
tex-map.


Unfortunately I can't post the map here because of copyright reasons.

Best regards,

Roger

-- Originalnachricht --
Von: "עמרי גסטר" 
An: "List for Therion users" 
Gesendet: 13.04.2020 14:06:17
Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

You can use the debug function to see how bad is the distortion and 
change the position of the station accordingly until you are happy with 
the result.


On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 2:52 PM Roger Schuster  
wrote:

Hello all,

thank you for your answers. Projection none doesn't work - all survey 
lines will appear on the pdf but not the scanned map. So I tried 
projection plan again and marked a second station and this did the 
trick. The background is now on the output as I expected. One problem 
I need to solve: The stations aren't marked on the map so I've to 
guess where they are... My estimation shouldn't be too far off to 
prevent unwanted distortions of the map.


Thanks again for your support!

Roger

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Von: "Martin Sluka via Therion" 
An: "List for Therion users" 
Cc: "Martin Sluka" 
Gesendet: 13.04.2020 12:28:40
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13. 4. 2020 v 11:20, Roger Schuster :

After that I created a scrap with the scanned map (projection plan) 
and scaled it using the scale bar and the scaling tool of Xtherion 
map editor.


I’m afraid it will work only for "projection none" as for sections.

For plan you should use minimally two stations because Therion 
georeferences each scrap according those stations.


Martin

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Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

[עמרי גסטר]

You can use the debug function to see how bad is the distortion and change
the position of the station accordingly until you are happy with the result.

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 2:52 PM Roger Schuster  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> thank you for your answers. Projection none doesn't work - all survey
> lines will appear on the pdf but not the scanned map. So I tried projection
> plan again and marked a second station and this did the trick. The
> background is now on the output as I expected. One problem I need to solve:
> The stations aren't marked on the map so I've to guess where they are... My
> estimation shouldn't be too far off to prevent unwanted distortions of the
> map.
>
> Thanks again for your support!
>
> Roger
>
> -- Originalnachricht --
> Von: "Martin Sluka via Therion" 
> An: "List for Therion users" 
> Cc: "Martin Sluka" 
> Gesendet: 13.04.2020 12:28:40
> Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey
>
>
>
> 13. 4. 2020 v 11:20, Roger Schuster :
>
> After that I created a scrap with the scanned map (projection plan) and
> scaled it using the scale bar and the scaling tool of Xtherion map editor.
>
>
>
> I’m afraid it will work only for "projection none" as for sections.
>
> For plan you should use minimally two stations because Therion
> georeferences each scrap according those stations.
>
> Martin
>
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Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

[Roger Schuster]

Hello all,

thank you for your answers. Projection none doesn't work - all survey 
lines will appear on the pdf but not the scanned map. So I tried 
projection plan again and marked a second station and this did the 
trick. The background is now on the output as I expected. One problem I 
need to solve: The stations aren't marked on the map so I've to guess 
where they are... My estimation shouldn't be too far off to prevent 
unwanted distortions of the map.


Thanks again for your support!

Roger

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Von: "Martin Sluka via Therion" 
An: "List for Therion users" 
Cc: "Martin Sluka" 
Gesendet: 13.04.2020 12:28:40
Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey





13. 4. 2020 v 11:20, Roger Schuster :

After that I created a scrap with the scanned map (projection plan) 
and scaled it using the scale bar and the scaling tool of Xtherion map 
editor.


I’m afraid it will work only for "projection none" as for sections.

For plan you should use minimally two stations because Therion 
georeferences each scrap according those stations.


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Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

[Martin Sluka via Therion]

> 13. 4. 2020 v 11:20, Roger Schuster :
> 
> After that I created a scrap with the scanned map (projection plan) and 
> scaled it using the scale bar and the scaling tool of Xtherion map editor. 

I’m afraid it will work only for "projection none" as for sections.

For plan you should use minimally two stations because Therion georeferences 
each scrap according those stations.

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Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

[Bruce Mutton]

Roger

You have not included the file hoehle.jpg so I cannot test the compilation 
including the sketch.

I have not had problems getting sketches to plot in pdfs.

Your scrap only has one point in it, so that would be my first place to look.  
I suspect you need at least two station points to orient the sketch to the 
scrap – at least that is how I have always done it.

I also suggest plotting the survey centreline while you are going through the 
debugging process – I couldn’t make that work in your example just now – brain 
fade.

 

Bruce

 

From: Therion  On Behalf Of Roger Schuster
Sent: Monday, 13 April 2020 21:21
To: therion@speleo.sk
Subject: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

 

Hello cavers,

 

currently I try to work with some legacy survey which are the original survey 
data and the final map with scale bar but without marked stations. My intention 
is to geo-reference the existing map (i.e. attaching the entrance location to 
the UTM grid) and use it in a cave atlas of the area. I don't want to redraw 
the whole map in Therion. 

 

I followed the directions given in the therion wiki and entered the survey data 
and the resulting model in Loch looks fine and plausible. After that I created 
a scrap with the scanned map (projection plan) and scaled it using the scale 
bar and the scaling tool of Xtherion map editor. I marked the location of the 
first survey station at the cave entrance and in the layout section of my 
thconfig I turned on sketch export. Unfortunately it doesn't work. The 
generated pdf only contains the map header (with wrong length and depth 
statistics btw!) and a short part of the first survey shot. I expect the whole 
scanned background image to be visible and in scale in the pdf. Honestly said I 
never got the "sketches on" working with any of my old and new maps. What I am 
doing wrong? Any pointer to the right direction is highly appreciated. 

 

Best regards and thanks in advance,

 

Roger 

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Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

[Michael Ross]

Hello Roger,

Define at least one more station in the th2 – file.

Therion will the scale the map automatically if there are >2 stations, no need 
to do manual scaling then.

If that doesn’t work, provide also the jpg and the thconfig file, and I can 
have a look.

 

Regards, Michael.

 

Von: Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] Im Auftrag von Roger Schuster
Gesendet: Montag, 13. April 2020 11:21
An: therion@speleo.sk
Betreff: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

 

Hello cavers,

 

currently I try to work with some legacy survey which are the original survey 
data and the final map with scale bar but without marked stations. My intention 
is to geo-reference the existing map (i.e. attaching the entrance location to 
the UTM grid) and use it in a cave atlas of the area. I don't want to redraw 
the whole map in Therion. 

 

I followed the directions given in the therion wiki and entered the survey data 
and the resulting model in Loch looks fine and plausible. After that I created 
a scrap with the scanned map (projection plan) and scaled it using the scale 
bar and the scaling tool of Xtherion map editor. I marked the location of the 
first survey station at the cave entrance and in the layout section of my 
thconfig I turned on sketch export. Unfortunately it doesn't work. The 
generated pdf only contains the map header (with wrong length and depth 
statistics btw!) and a short part of the first survey shot. I expect the whole 
scanned background image to be visible and in scale in the pdf. Honestly said I 
never got the "sketches on" working with any of my old and new maps. What I am 
doing wrong? Any pointer to the right direction is highly appreciated. 

 

Best regards and thanks in advance,

 

Roger 

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