date:20190114

Greg,

I did something similar as an exercise but it was of no value to me. In the 
body of any tiddler text build your multiple tiddlers, export it with a custom 
export and it creates the tiddlers on import. This could be developed to bypass 
the export to file step.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] TiddlyDrive Security Misconfiguration Problem?

Looks like an SSL certificate is out of date, sometimes they will renew 
automaticaly. If not the host needs to correct it. 

Regards
Yony

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[tw5] Virtual Tiddlers?

Perhaps they could.

I was also wondering if they could be populated from external tid files saved 
in the same folder.

I already have a solution for uniqueids that are independant of title.

Regards
Tony 

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[tw5] Sanitizing JS

Adam,

This question may be better placed in the tiddlywiki dev forum. There are 
reasons beyond secutity that javascript is not freely added, in part because it 
is through widgets such functionality is published. However you can include 
external javacript in a tiddler with raw system tag. Many plugins include 
javascript and libraries it is just tgat they need to be added within the 
framework tiddlywiki presents.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] TiddlyDrive Security Misconfiguration Problem?

2019-01-14 Thread Tiddly Novice

I've been using TiddlyDrive for a while, and it's great. But suddenly today 
when I try to use it I get an error message in my browser: 
>
> Your connection is not private
> Attackers might be trying to steal your information from 
> *tiddlydrive.lordratte.info* (for example, passwords, messages, or credit 
> cards). Learn More
> NET::ERR_CERT_DATE_INVALID


I have no idea why this would suddenly start. I'm not sure what the best 
way would be to message the tiddlydrive dev about it.

But I guess my real question is (since it greatly affects what the next 
possible steps would be): is this only happening to me right now?

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[tw5] Virtual Tiddlers?

2019-01-14 Thread 'LorenzGL' via TiddlyWiki

Hello Tony,

Could this be used for aliases, e.g. linking to tiddlers with a non human 
readable unique ID?

Lorenz

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Re: [tw5] Re: Useful Lessons from the "Competition"

2019-01-14 Thread Rizwan Ishak

Notably, the first comment mentions reverse engineering the API to access the 
data. Might not be entirely impossible to build a synchronisation tool between 
notion and Tiddlywiki.

Sincerely,
Dr. Rizwan Ishak

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[tw5] Re: Useful Lessons from the "Competition"

2019-01-14 Thread Greg Molyneux

I'd written on this subject some time ago in a different thread, and think 
this is vital for wider acceptance of TW.  One thing I'd ask of the 
pondered "TiddlyWiki Foundation" is to make the various editions proposed 
here by AdamS interoperable.  That is, to use a common set of tags and 
fields, so that tiddlers can be taken from one edition, and linked to or 
imported into another edition.  Thus, notes from the note taking edition 
can be linked or imported into another for scheduling, tasks from the 
scheduler can be brought into an outliner, all could be linked from a mind 
map in a TiddlyMap enabled (or kanban-ish enabled, or whatever enabled) 
project management edition.

You want a real user base growth?  I'd argue that such capability and 
interoperability - out of the box, so to speak - would go a long way 
towards that end.  Just a thought.

On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 10:31:00 AM UTC-8, AdamS wrote:
>
> I think Dave's point goes beyond example TWs. I don't think the TW 
> community is lacking there. There are some amazing and exotic examples 
> floating around. If I'm understanding Dave's point correctly, we should 
> have "empty" TWs available that are roughly optimized for certain tasks. 
> They come pre-loaded with some basic plugins particular to that task and 
> maybe there's an easily available list that has suggestions and links to 
> other plugins that are associated with that task.
>
> So if someone is new to TW wants to use TW for note-taking for school, 
> they just hit the link and get an edition with a couple plugins for notes. 
> If they want a TW for writing, there's another one to download, etc.
>
> I think Dave's idea would go a fair ways to reducing some of the 
> activation energy.
>
>
> Another thing that would help would be a WYSIWYG editor. As a newbie who 
> originally came to TW for writing, I found the plaintext editor very 
> offputting. I almost went to WordPress just on account of that. I know we 
> have the ckeditor plugin available, but something native to TW might help.
>
> Best wishes,
> Adam
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[tw5] Re: ANN: ticklers plugin - tiddlers as repeating reminders

Great Job Brian!
I am learning how you did that. I may return to you after experimenting it.

Thank you for sharing.

Cheers
Mohammad

On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 1:23:48 AM UTC+3:30, Brian Theado wrote:
>
> The ticklers plugin teaches TW how to display specially marked tiddlers as 
> repeating reminders (ticklers). The repetition of the reminders can be 
> day-of-week, day-of-month, or day-of-year. The display has one column for 
> each of these categories. Inspired by 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tickler_file.
>
> I've been using it for the past several months and it has worked well for 
> me. I've documented and shared it here in case someone else finds it useful:
>
> https://btheado.github.io/tw-ftlist/#ticklers%20plugin
> https://btheado.github.io/tw-ftlist/#ticklers%20examples
>
>
> The plugin doesn't actively perform notifications. It requires the user to 
> daily or close to daily inspect the list.
>
> I use it in conjunction with https://btheado.github.io/tw-ftlist, but it 
> might go fine together with any other TW-based todo list. I always have my 
> ticklers tiddler near the top of my ftlist and in that way I'm reminded to 
> check it every day and see the most recent reminders. Often, I will then 
> add the reminders to the top of the ftlist to remind me to work on them.
>
> Brian
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Now date not refreshing in button

2019-01-14 Thread Mal



On Sunday, 13 January 2019 18:41:55 UTC+10, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> ...But I suspect that the timestamp will be from the previous time you 
> clicked the button, not from when you click the button now, because the 
> button hasn't refreshed since the last time you clicked it.
>
> Jed, You were quite right, I was getting the timestamp from the previous 
button click!

I don't remember what the solution to this one is.
>

I don't profess to fully understand what is going on here, but my solution 
was to break the code into two tiddlers, the button defined as:

<$button actions={{Create new tiddler action}}>
Create New Tiddler


and an action tiddler "Create new tiddler action" containing:

<$wikify name="Title" text="""$:/prefix/<
>/MyNewTiddler""">
<$action-createtiddler $basetitle=<> $savetitle="$:/temp/saveTid"/>


This seems to work as intended, with the correct timestamp each time the 
button is clicked.

Regards,

Mal


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[tw5] Re: Global Tiddler?

2019-01-14 Thread S. S.

Thanks Tony.

Makes sense when put that way.



On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 at 7:40:44 AM UTC+7, TonyM wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> Given the way TiddlyWiki Works all tiddlers are global, it is macros and 
> style-sheets that become global if tagged with the appropriate tag as per 
> Eric's example.
>
> These tags are used when displaying your tiddlers so that what was 
> contained in the tagged tiddlers applies to your current tiddler.
>
> What I am suggesting, it is incorrect to refer to "global tiddlers", only 
> "Global Macros", "Global Style-sheets" etc...
>
> If you define a macro or include styles in a given tiddler it may replace 
> the global version, with a local version. 
> In these tiddlers we may say we have a local macro, or local style and 
> they can win over global versions if they exist.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 5:47:30 AM UTC+11, Jeff Wilson wrote:
>>
>> What's an example of a global toddler? The macro documentation mentions 
>> this, but does not define it. 
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Quinoid

2019-01-14 Thread Riz

It works!!

By Lord, this is the happiest I have been in a week. This is ground-breaking 
development.

Android 6.0
Internal SD card

Saving- Success
Multiple File picking - Success
Swiping to switch between TW5 - Success.

Hats off, Mark. I am very eager to see where you are taking this.

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[tw5] Re: [TWC]Self-hosting

2019-01-14 Thread David Szego

Hi Rob, thanks for writing. Two thoughts come to mind right off the bat -

First, if you have a good tool, keep using it! I'm glad to hear you still
make good use of dGSD!!

Secondly, I completely get it when you describe your unfamiliarity with
TW5. It took me a good year before I got the gumption to tackle it's new
macros, filters, widgets and behaviours at all, and months after that
before I decided to start porting dGSD to TW5.
However, once I did, I really *enjoyed* the elegance of it... as much as
<> $(still)$ $completely$ [] '''me up'''
{{!!endlessly}}!!!

I would be very interested in hearing detail about your dGSD workflow, what
modifications you've made, and what aspects of Cardo you've found trip you
up a bit. This would really help me make Cardo that much more useful, by
understanding how people use such a tool.

As for migrating from one to the other... someone did write a script here,
and it's not really that complex. I should just get off my tush and create
a macro that does this. (I'll put it on the endless list - there's a reason
why I've been putting out a release only about once a year!)

Cheers,
David.

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyDesktop -- Knock, Knock

2019-01-14 Thread Damon Pritchett

One reason that I haven't been using TiddlyDesktop lately and editing in 
Chrome instead is because of the built in spellchecker. Is there a plugin 
or extension that could add spellchecking to either TiddlyWiki or 
TiddlyDesktop?

Damon

On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 1:05:13 PM UTC-7, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> As I understand it, Jeremy is going to move TiddlyDesktop to be under the 
> TiddlyWiki umbrella on github first, as a dry run for the actual 
> TiddlyWiki5 repository. 
>
> On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 1:57:27 PM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Hi Josiah,
>>  With the release of TW 5.1.19, I hope we could get a new release of 
>> TiddlyDesktop!
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Quinoid

Update on new address:

https://marxsal.github.io/quinoid/

Now has experimental file picker, and can pick more than 1 file at at time. 
Assuming it works ;-) If it's reporting weird file names, I'd be interested 
to know.

I realize from the prior posts that the big G's terminology confused me -- 
I had it backwards. 

So, you probably can save on your internal drive, but may have problems 
saving on your external. There may be repeated issues with permissions, 
which may take awhile since my device doesn't have those problems (just 
other problems). 

Thanks!
-- Mark

On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 1:13:21 PM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Experimental. Only tested on two devices. Read the documentation.
>
> https://marxsal.github.io/quinoid-releases/
>

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[tw5] Sanitizing JS

2019-01-14 Thread AdamS

Hi Folks,

I know it has been discussed a few times, but I keep coming back to the 
idea of inline javascript. Or at least something javascript-ish 
(javascript-esque?). I know the reason this capability isn't standard is 
because of security issues. I don't have much experience with this sort of 
thing, but I'm wondering how significant are the barriers to sanitizing 
inline javascript. What would need to be stripped out of a script tag to 
ensure that it would be safe? I'm guessing any DOM manipulation would be 
right out, as well as access to the window object. But even if we could 
just get a safe inline javascript for control flow, array, string, and 
number manipulation, that could be pretty cool. Could this be securely done?

Best wishes,

Adam

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[tw5] Re: Scrivener and Tiddlywiki

2019-01-14 Thread Greg Molyneux

Mark S. (and any interested hackers)

That's EXACTLY the problem I see with using TiddlyWiki "live" as it were: 
trying to take notes on a live lecture or video presentation is 
tremendously painful in Tiddlywiki if you're trying to impose any order on 
the fly.  Moving from keyboard to mouse and back constantly makes the 
process largely unworkable with any serious time constraints.

I love TW for its organizational and relational capabilities, but for 
getting down information quickly, it's not my first choice.  Tools like 
TiddlyMap can help here if properly utilized, and there are others, but 
they still leave you with the same problem: lots of kb to mouse to kb 
movement.  This is seriously distracting when you're trying to "keep up" 
with a live event, or get something out of your head quickly.

That said, I do have an idea I'd like to float to anyone interested:  A 
killer plugin for TW would be a button that opens a new text entry window 
or frame.  Inside this otherwise blank frame, the user can type as fast as 
they are able, utilizing markdown or html (as in any standard tiddler), 
thus providing whatever formatting they see fit on the fly.  Yes, I know, 
you're thinking "you can do this with any tiddler right now, so what?"  
Well, here's where things get neat (in my head at least)...

So far, the above largely mimics the general editing screen of StackEdit, 
so no big deal, but what if you were able to use a keystroke combination in 
this editor pane to insert a new tiddler framework.  So for example, if I 
press  (or whatever - the choice doesn't matter much as long 
as it doesn't mess up anything else), this editor pane inserts something 
similar to the following:

created:
creator:
list:
modified:
modifier:
tags:
title:
tmap.id:

And then positions the cursor directly under these inserted fields, for 
data entry.  Now, the above entries were taken from a .tid file I exported 
from one of my tiddlers, so there's more in there than is necessary for a 
new tiddler, but you get the idea.  Now, I can already hear someone saying 
"you can do that right now by just copying this minimal framework to the 
clipboard", and that's true, but using a key binding would allow me to 
cut/paste text as I go for the editing I'm discussing, and that's 
important.  It'd be really impressive if the fields pasted with the custom 
key combination could be customized, so I could add fields as necessary for 
my specific wiki.

I understand, there's nothing specifically remarkable about what I'm 
suggesting above.  Assuming I've gone back to each of these pasted field 
sections shown above, and entered relevant information (title, tags, etc.), 
or had the information auto-populated (dates, modifier, etc.), then we have 
the basics for any number of individual tiddlers in text/markup form, all 
contained on this one edit panel.  After I'm done editing and taking notes, 
the magic plugin I'm thinking of would at this point allow me to press a 
"parse" or "finish" (or whatever) button, and it would parse the text I'd 
entered, separate the individual tiddlers at the appropriate points (using 
the populated fields listed as examples above), and create appropriate 
tiddlers in the TW file, properly tagged, linked, and stored as if I'd 
created them via the mouse interface one at a time.  Think of the time 
savings this would permit for live or rapid work, and still give us the 
organizational benefits of TW over an editor like StackEdit.

>From my perspective, if you want to win users over from DynaList, 
StackEdit, or some of the other tools mentioned earlier in this thread, 
that'd be a quick (and really slick) way to squash some of the usability 
issues discussed here.  If anyone knows of a plugin that does this right 
now, please let me know, I'd love to try it out.

Regardless, I'd like to thank all the regulars here who do so much good 
work with this wonderful tool.

On Sunday, December 30, 2018 at 2:59:12 PM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>
>  Hi Tony,
>
> Sorry to hear you're having some health problems. Hope everything turns 
> out OK for you.
>
> Dynalist and Scrivener are easy to pick up. Org-mode isn't too hard either 
> as long as you stick with the basics.
>
> In all of these, I think, you create a new entry, promote/demote it, or 
> move it in the hierarchy -- without your fingers leaving the keyboard! You 
> can work uninterrupted, concentrating on the text, not fiddling with the 
> tech.
>
> One of the weaknesses in TW is how much you have to use the mouse for. You 
> create a new tiddler (by clicking on a button). Then you go back to the 
> keyboard. Then you tab down and the tags appear. How to get rid of them ? 
> Turns out you can tab and then space. But then you have to tab through all 
> the edit fields before you can get to the text field. But you can't see 
> which edit tool you're on (at least I can't), so what's the point? Most of 
> the edit tools are useless unless you're already down in the text

[tw5] Re: Global Tiddler?

Folks,

Given the way TiddlyWiki Works all tiddlers are global, it is macros and 
style-sheets that become global if tagged with the appropriate tag as per 
Eric's example.

These tags are used when displaying your tiddlers so that what was 
contained in the tagged tiddlers applies to your current tiddler.

What I am suggesting, it is incorrect to refer to "global tiddlers", only 
"Global Macros", "Global Style-sheets" etc...

If you define a macro or include styles in a given tiddler it may replace 
the global version, with a local version. 
In these tiddlers we may say we have a local macro, or local style and they 
can win over global versions if they exist.

Regards
Tony

Regards
Tony

On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 5:47:30 AM UTC+11, Jeff Wilson wrote:
>
> What's an example of a global toddler? The macro documentation mentions 
> this, but does not define it. 
>

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[tw5] Virtual Tiddlers?

Folks,

I just had an idea that may be useful, especially in complex Get things
Done Wikis. I just wanted to put it out there is anyone had tried this or
would like something similar and has some ideas about how it should look or
be done?

Virtual Tiddlers, Perhaps actual tiddlers that look like another REAL
tiddler.

- Tiddlers but ones that point to another REAL tiddler
- May use the same status value as the real tiddler, closing one closes
the other
- May be categorised differently, appearing in other lists allowing the
same REAL tiddler to have multiple categorisations
- Close/Remove Virtual tiddler with REL tiddler
- Link to REAL Tiddler

The Questions would be

- how we may do this? Does it transclude the REAL Tiddler?
- How far can this concept be taken to provide a new feature to users?

My First use case

- I have task tiddlers in Domains and Projects
- I built a spacial project for bringing together goals
- But other projects have their own goals
- A Virtual tiddler for each goal tiddler, but placed in the Goals
Project would present the same tiddlers in another project.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: [Demo] TW5 for Readers and Writers

2019-01-14 Thread Damon Pritchett

I definitely like this. In the MyStory tab would it be possible to somehow 
highlight which tiddler you are currently reading so that you could see 
where in the entire story that you are?

Damon


On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 2:56:27 PM UTC-7, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> All your designs are so beautiful!
>>
> Thank you! This one is not so far from a standard TW :)
>
> The main problem I see is that there doesn't seem to be a way to change 
>> the order of tiddlers without manually entering new index numbers. Is that 
>> right? Or am I missing something?
>>
> In the *MyStory tab* in the sidebar you can see the list of tiddlers and 
> reorder them via drag and drop like in the standard "Open" tab. 
> Then you could go to the (Story) Admin tab and save your new arrangement.
>
> I could add drag and drop for tiddlers in the story river too. But I am in 
> doubt ... maybe it should be there as an option?
>
> On the *Contents tab* at the bottom there is a tag to reorder the top 
> level entries in the tree – "chapters" or "books" (if you think of a book 
> or a library) – also via drag and drop.
>
> Cheers,
> Thomas
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[tw5] Re: [Demo] TW5 for Readers and Writers

2019-01-14 Thread Thomas Elmiger

Hi Mark,

All your designs are so beautiful!
>
Thank you! This one is not so far from a standard TW :)

The main problem I see is that there doesn't seem to be a way to change the 
> order of tiddlers without manually entering new index numbers. Is that 
> right? Or am I missing something?
>
In the *MyStory tab* in the sidebar you can see the list of tiddlers and 
reorder them via drag and drop like in the standard "Open" tab. 
Then you could go to the (Story) Admin tab and save your new arrangement.

I could add drag and drop for tiddlers in the story river too. But I am in 
doubt ... maybe it should be there as an option?

On the *Contents tab* at the bottom there is a tag to reorder the top level 
entries in the tree – "chapters" or "books" (if you think of a book or a 
library) – also via drag and drop.

Cheers,
Thomas

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[tw5] Re: A new release of Tiddlyshow App


>
> Hello Simon,
>  The problem WAS when I updated to TW 5.1.19 the next / previous 
> shortcrust keys moves by 2 slides instead of one!
>
>
> I FOUND it was because when I updated to 5.1.19 by drag and drop my 
> KeeBoord plugin also was imported!
> So, by any shortcut press TW moves one slide by core and one by KeeBoord 
> plugin!
>
> That's funny!
>

Hahaha, yes, I knew that would happen to someone sooner or later. But the 
functionality just needed to be in the core

>
> Suggestion:
>
> When updating to 5.1.19, TW can recognize KeeBoord and prevents it from 
> importing!
>

who wants that to happen should take the needed efforts, but I think it 
isn't necessary. maybe it's sufficient to make everyone aware of the fact 
that 5.1.19 can handle keyboard shortcuts and additional plugins aren't 
needed for that 

>  
>

>
> --Mohammad
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[tw5] Re: TiddlyDesktop -- Knock, Knock

As I understand it, Jeremy is going to move TiddlyDesktop to be under the 
TiddlyWiki umbrella on github first, as a dry run for the actual 
TiddlyWiki5 repository. 

On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 1:57:27 PM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
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> Hi Josiah,
>  With the release of TW 5.1.19, I hope we could get a new release of 
> TiddlyDesktop!
>
> --Mohammad
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[tw5] Re: TiddlyDesktop -- Knock, Knock

Hi Josiah,
 With the release of TW 5.1.19, I hope we could get a new release of 
TiddlyDesktop!

--Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: usability: achieving improved drag-and-drop of external files

2019-01-14 Thread Kalmir

Tiddlyclip helps a bit: 
http://tiddlyclip.tiddlyspot.com/#Creating%20Local%20Media%20Links

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[tw5] Re: A new release of Tiddlyshow App

Tiddlyshow is Updated to TW 5.1.19


I would like to thank Simon Huber for his valuable and impressive work 
"Keyboard Shortcuts" in TW 5.1.19.

Using his great work, now Tiddlyshow has the keyboard shortcut bindings!

Tiddlyshow is a good example of using global Keyboard shortcuts.

Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: Useful Lessons from the "Competition"

Just an update - notion hit HN today, and here are some comments:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18904648

On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 1:50:05 AM UTC-6, TonyM wrote:
>
> I am building a code mirror editor tiddlywiki, eddition. I will make it 
> public for review however any comments on essential components would be 
> appreciated.
>
> Its intended for text and code but not for tiddlywiky design.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Re: A Song for the Joy of It

In my thinking we could "murder the competition" ... the panache 
(flamboyant confidence) of TWO STEPS FROM HELL gets it 
too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASj81daun5Q=13=RDS3CAJ2s2_Lc

On Monday, 14 January 2019 20:28:29 UTC+1, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
>
> The music for MESRINE, a great French film about a murderer, seems to fit 
>> advances on Android ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3CAJ2s2_Lc
>>
>
> Hey J., do you mean that advances are slow or that one app wants to murder 
> the other :D ? 
>

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[tw5] Re: A new release of Tiddlyshow App

Hello Simon,
 The problem WAS when I updated to TW 5.1.19 the next / previous shortcrust 
keys moves by 2 slides instead of one!


I FOUND it was because when I updated to 5.1.19 by drag and drop my 
KeeBoord plugin also was imported!
So, by any shortcut press TW moves one slide by core and one by KeeBoord 
plugin!

That's funny!

Suggestion:

When updating to 5.1.19, TW can recognize KeeBoord and prevents it from 
importing!


--Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: A Song for the Joy of It



>
> The music for MESRINE, a great French film about a murderer, seems to fit 
>> advances on Android ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3CAJ2s2_Lc
>>
>
> Hey J., do you mean that advances are slow or that one app wants to murder 
> the other :D ? 
>

great theme btw, I'm listening into it at the moment, it's one happy type 
of a theme

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[tw5] Re: A Song for the Joy of It



> The music for MESRINE, a great French film about a murderer, seems to fit 
> advances on Android ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3CAJ2s2_Lc
>

Hey J., do you mean that advances are slow or that one app wants to murder 
the other :D ? 

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[tw5] Re: A new release of Tiddlyshow App



> Due to small issues with Keyboard shortcuts in TW1.5.19 I reverted it to 
> TW 5.1.18pre.
> It is up and you can give a try.
>
>
Hi Mohammad, very cool, it's working great, I like it!

What are the keyboard shortcut issues in 5.1.19 if you don't mind reporting?
 

> --Mohammad
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[tw5] Re: Addressing -- tiddly.wiki domain name

Wow! Awesome! Thank you Josiah (as a fellow member of the community that 
also agrees we should have it!)



On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 1:08:22 PM UTC-6, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
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> Repeat for folk on email as GG blocks that on first post.
>
> On Monday, 14 January 2019 20:05:36 UTC+1, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> I got (I believe) TIDDLY.WIKI domain working.
>>
>> *I thought it a great address for us no one else should get.*
>>
>> This is a small thank you to Jeremy Ruston. I  bought the domain for five 
>> years. These addresses should redirect properly ...
>>
>> tiddly.wiki --> https://tiddlywiki.com
>>
>> www.tiddly.wiki --> https://tiddlywiki.com
>>
>> You could use, for example, tiddly.wiki/#GettingStarted --> 
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted
>>
>> But the main point is some people will try the address "tiddly.wiki" to 
>> find our site. This handles that.
>>
>> Are there other addresses we should try to buy that you know?
>>
>> Josiah
>>
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[tw5] is it possible to disable drag and drop completely with a simple stylesheet?

2019-01-14 Thread ch

hi,

i've made a simple "read-only-mode" of a wiki (with a couple of macros,
stylesheets and viewtemplates), but noticed that i also need to disable
drag and drop completely (i.e. not able to drag and drop anything within
the wiki or from other windows) so that tiddler "$:/Import" doesn't pop-up
when an item is dropped into the wiki.

so, is it possible to implement this feature with a simple stylesheet, or
other configuration options?

kind regards,

ch

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[tw5] Re: Addressing -- tiddly.wiki domain name

Repeat for folk on email as GG blocks that on first post.

On Monday, 14 January 2019 20:05:36 UTC+1, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
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> I got (I believe) TIDDLY.WIKI domain working.
>
> *I thought it a great address for us no one else should get.*
>
> This is a small thank you to Jeremy Ruston. I  bought the domain for five 
> years. These addresses should redirect properly ...
>
> tiddly.wiki --> https://tiddlywiki.com
>
> www.tiddly.wiki --> https://tiddlywiki.com
>
> You could use, for example, tiddly.wiki/#GettingStarted --> 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted
>
> But the main point is some people will try the address "tiddly.wiki" to 
> find our site. This handles that.
>
> Are there other addresses we should try to buy that you know?
>
> Josiah
>

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[tw5] Re: A new release of Tiddlyshow App

Due to small issues with Keyboard shortcuts in TW1.5.19 I reverted it to TW 
5.1.18pre.
It is up and you can give a try.

--Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: A Song for the Joy of It

The music for MESRINE, a great French film about a murderer, seems to fit 
advances on Android ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3CAJ2s2_Lc

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyDesktop -- Knock, Knock

Repeated message as I am still blocked on GG on first email ...

On Monday, 14 January 2019 18:48:46 UTC+1, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> TiddlyDesktop is really good. Mainly because for desktop users it is easy. 
> The hassle of setting up a separate saving system disappears.
>
> On GitHub I requested that addressing of TW in TD be enabled to be 
> relative. This would enable me to make a bundle of TiddlyDesktop with one 
> or more TW that would be easy to install and be fully portable.
>

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[tw5] A new release of Tiddlyshow App

A new release of Tiddlyshow app is 
announced.

See the original post:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/TzajLePAJZA/grAgaK5FAQAJ



Cheers
Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: Spaced Repetition and TiddlyWiki

Diego Mesa wrote:

> I was not so sure there was enough interest to keep it going. 

 
I know it can be disconcerting.

Its not, usually, lack of interest, it is likely lack of enough people.

 J.

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[tw5] Re: slideshow (presentation) TW

Thank Jed!

@Joe
As Jed said TiddlyShow  has keybindings 
using the BTC KeeBoord plugin.

I have updated Tiddlyshow app to TW 5.1.19 which has the KeeBoord included 
in the core, so there is no need for extra plugin
A more advanced release is planned by March 2019.

The current release will be announced in its original post!

Note:
 Read the help and then watch the two slideshow samples.

--Mohammad

On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 11:57:30 PM UTC+3:30, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> I think that Mohammad had a demo of using keyboard input for advancing a 
> presentation, but I don't have the link handy.
>

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[tw5] Re: Comment on the TW



On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 8:33:32 AM UTC-8, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
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>
> Maybe I'm missing something. But where is the interaction?
>
>
Yes. Exactly. One-way communication is going to get a lot of random, 
non-useful responses.

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[tw5] Re: Lost, lost, lost

I think very simple cases illustrate the problem with "Getting Started with 
TW". For example, imagine trying to explain to a new person who just wants 
to list tiddlers with a certain tag:

<$list filter="[tag[Learning]]">



*works*, but 

<$list filter="[tag[Learning]]">


*shows nothing*.

We can all maintain

   - "TW is incredibly powerful"
   - "TW works out of the box as described"
   - etc etc etc

 But I don't think we can in good conscience say its "straightforward" for 
people to *start* with. 


On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 3:40:18 AM UTC-6, TonyM wrote:
>
> R2
>
> I have felt the same as you, and invested so so many hours, perhaps driven 
> by a vision, but it is now an obsession. However with knowledge I no longer 
> want a solution that mearly does every thing I can dream of, but for 
> anything I ever will dream of, evolved with feedback loops, discoveries 
> only made if you undertake the journey, journeys perhaps only possible in 
> the tiddlywiki universe.
>
> Somehow tiddlywiki5 always remained tantalising enought that its 
> documentation and limitations were never enought to stop me, perhaps even 
> when it should have. Perhaps knowledge of twc helped me persist.
>
> Will others travel as I have?, Do others become inspired as I have?, I do 
> not know. But for sure I can be a guide now, and even help smooth the way.
>
> Is the challenge too much for others? Its hard to tell after slaying the 
> dragons. But like a quest I can share some "Cheats".
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
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[tw5] Re: Comment on the TW

Interesting discussion. But I'm having difficulty with it.

Speaking from what I know ... authoring from single TW via email, or
posting to Twitter etc is fairly straightforward. In these cases I think of
my use as an originating author.

The fact I could expose such mechanisms to visitors would make them
originating authors too (even if the thing would not save on line the Tweet
or email would still go out).

Maybe I'm missing something. But where is the interaction?

What Jed is developing with Bob looks like it could eventually accommodate
well structured multi-party discussion. But I'd imagine it would be
discussion of the themes presented on the specific server instance. Would a
TW instance actually be able to do better than GG?

The missing piece here for me is I don't yet get, Joe, what gap you want to
bridge?

As one of the most vocal critics of the Google Groups swamp I'd guess we
might in a TW make a meta index to it? The issue is that such groups have a
lot of needed, yet ultimately ephemeral, content. Who will do the index?

Just thoughts
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: New View Toolbar icon details do not show in Control Panel

2019-01-14 Thread Ton Gerner

Hi David,

Glad you managed to get your button

Is there any problem using the system namespace, e.g., $:/core, $:/language 
> and $:/config, with regard to future incompatibilties? Should I be using a 
> different namespace with a parallel hierarchy, in the same way some *nix 
> filesystems assign /usr for system files and /usr/local for local 
> customisations?
>

For the namespace I did look at the core buttons (with help of my 
Exploration guide: http://tw5exploration.tiddlyspot.com/) and just named 
the new tiddlers accordingly.


> Also, I don't get the option to mark my threads as closed. Please feel 
> free to do that if you can see that option.
>
 
I see a 'Mark as complete' link at the bottom; I'll click it.

>
> Thanks again for your help.
>
> You're welcome.

Cheers,

Ton

 

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[tw5] Re: Spaced Repetition and TiddlyWiki

Hey Roman,

Thank you for your interest and comments! I was not so sure there was 
enough interest to keep it going. 


   - Agreed! I'll add this to the list!
   - Absolutely! When it's useable enough it will be packaged as a plugin.
   - UI-wise: I'm open to a basic theme option, just like Anki, and give 
   people the opportunity to easily change. Also - this is beyond my area of 
   expertise :]

The thing that worries me, is carrying out enough testing to make sure our 
implementation of the SM-2 algorithm exactly (or good enough) matches Anki's

On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 4:36:38 PM UTC-6, Roman Kogan wrote:
>
> Hi Diego!
>
> I am an active user of Tiddly Wiki, but couldn't bring myself to use Anki 
> because I'd have to enter so much data in there.
>
> Today, I thought - maybe someone had implemented spaced repetition (or 
> Anki integration) for Tiddly Wiki -- and you did!
>
> Thank you for the work!
>
> Thoughts on further development:
>
>
>- A must-have for me: would be great to have a quiz by due-date, but 
>filtered by a tag.  E.g. I want to use this wiki to keep track of chords 
>for songs, and when I practice that, I don't want to have programming 
>questions pop up -- but I only want to practice the songs that are due. 
>   - Just like you, I'd prefer to keep one TW for all the knowledge -- 
>   but I don't want to mix quizzes from different *domains. *It would 
>   be great to see how many cards are due for any given top-level tag 
> (e.g. 
>   tiddlers which have TableOfContents as their tag).
>- Will this be available as a plug-in? (It's in the roadmap, but is it 
>really coming?) Can one import another TW into this one? Perhaps a line in 
>the documentation would help.
>- UI-wise:
>   - I won't care for any special look for cards. If you change that, 
>   keeping the default TiddlyWiki appearance as a setting would be great. 
> In 
>   any case, it's not a priority.
>   - Decks - do we need decks when we have tags? One can easily create 
>   a TOC tiddler which lists all tiddlers. Speaking of TOC(Table of 
> Contents), 
>   maybe having that in the navbar by default would be useful (not all 
> users 
>   can figure out how to add one). 
>
> Thank you, and Iooking forward to seeing this developed further!
> -Roman
>
> On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 11:36:30 AM UTC-8, Diego Mesa wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> As always (and Im sure as alot of you), I am very interested in using TW 
>> for more and more things. Right now, I use *one* TW for *all* of my 
>> tiddlers, and use tags to separate "domains". In other words, if I think I 
>> need another TW, I just make a new tag and voila! it fits in my TW.
>>
>> As some of you might remember, I have also been very interested in using 
>> Spaced Repetition (SR/SRS) to memorize information. Some fantastic 
>> introductions to this are:
>>
>>- http://augmentingcognition.com/ltm.html
>>- https://www.gwern.net/Spaced-repetition
>>
>> There are 2-3 major players in the SRS space, but I could never get the 
>> habit to stick with Anki or Memo as I was already working in my TW. As a 
>> result, I tried to create a similar effect in TW which led to Anwiki - a 
>> simple SRS system built into TW:
>>
>> http://anwiki.tiddlyspot.com/ 
>>
>> I am very interested in using TW to store - knowledge I want to be able 
>> to keep, look up, organize and store, *as well as* knowledge I need to 
>> actively memorize. There is a *huge* SRS community out there always 
>> debating what software is better, why, writing plugins for these systems, 
>> etc. I think TW is the best place to keep the things I want to memorize in, 
>> *because 
>> I already keep everything else in there! *If TW is to be a physical 
>> (digital) record of my mind and its development, it only makes sense to 
>> incorporate this into TW! 
>>
>> I think if embraced and further developed, it could bring many more 
>> people into TW, and become "one of the great" TW plugins like TiddlyMap.
>>
>> The purpose of this post is to
>>
>>1. Inform those of you that don't know about Spaced Repetition
>>2. Ask the community's opinion about the relationship between 
>>knowledge you want to keep, and knowledge you want to memorize. 
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Comment on the TW

If you have an email client set up. Which a lot of people don't these days 
thanks to Gmail, work requirements, mobile machines, etc.

For a back-end server, couldn't comments actually be saved to the server? 
Not an exploitable public place, of course. But a log somewhere that 
developers could pick up daily and screen.

The overall problem is, that one-way communications tend to generate 
low-quality feedback. 

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> Sorry, I wasn't thinking there. If it was a mailto link than the back-end 
> wouldn't need to be involved at all. So it would just be a matter of having 
> a macro that creates the email template for comments and then whatever 
> filtering past can be done in the email client.
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[tw5] Re: D 5e SRD Plugins

2019-01-14 Thread Matthew Lauber

Dave,
   All three plugins are available 
from https://mklauber.github.io/tw5-plugins/ plugin library.  The source 
for each is below:

   - *CreatureManager*: https://github.com/mklauber/tw-CreatureManager
   - *Monsters*: https://github.com/mklauber/tw-5eSRD-Monsters
   - *Spells*: https://github.com/mklauber/tw-5eSRD-Spells
   
Matt

On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 6:27:07 PM UTC-5, Dave Gifford - 
http://www.giffmex.org/ wrote:
>
> When this gets a permanent home, let me know and I will add it to the 
> toolmap
>
> On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 4:00:20 PM UTC-6, Matthew Lauber wrote:
>>
>> All, 
>>
>> A discussion came up about using tiddlywiki for managing D and similar 
>> table top games.  I realized I've created/collected a variety of tools for 
>> D 5e, and I should probably share them.  Attached is a tiddlywiki with a 
>> few plugins.  The first, D Creature Manager adds rendering of monster 
>> stat blocks in html format.  The other two contain the 5e SRD monsters and 
>> spells.  I wanted to share these in hopes of seeing what people come up 
>> with for RPGs.  My dream is to publish an entire D& module as a TW with 
>> encounters, NPCs, maps, and the like all included.  
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Matt
>>
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[tw5] Re: Comment on the TW

Sorry, I wasn't thinking there. If it was a mailto link than the back-end 
wouldn't need to be involved at all. So it would just be a matter of having 
a macro that creates the email template for comments and then whatever 
filtering past can be done in the email client.

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[tw5] Re: Comment on the TW

I think that extending any of the existent node back-ends (the build-in 
server, Bob or tiddlyserver) to send an email when a comment is made 
wouldn't be a terribly difficult task. In my rather limited experience the 
problem is that most hosting providers block port 25 (or whichever port is 
used to send email). I think that it would be simple enough to have some 
convention for putting the tiddler name as the email subject or something 
similar and probably some date or time information would be enough to 
uniquely identify a tiddler and allow the recipient to set up email filters.

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Re: [tw5] Re: [Demo] TW5 for Readers and Writers

2019-01-14 Thread Thomas Elmiger

Hihi, thanks for all the feedback!

First hints for reverse engineers:

[image: grafik.png]

The button on the right of the save button changes the design.

Check settings of all plugins – or check
https://tid.li/tw5/test/concept.html#About before you do.

(More explanation maybe in a few hours.)

Cheers,
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Re: [tw5] Re: Logistics 101 -- Do you use Telegram?

Ok. I'm not sure if it worth effort. But maybe as a channel for 
announcements?

On Sunday, 13 January 2019 19:07:06 UTC+1, AlexHough wrote:
>
> i have telegram installed... and one friend who uses it 
>
>
> Alex
>
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:42, @TiddlyTweeter  > wrote:
>
>> For reasons no one understands my first posts to GG don't get to the 
>> email group.
>>
>> Here it is ...
>>
>> On Friday, 11 January 2019 14:34:15 UTC+1, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm thinking that the pretty good #Twitter for #Tiddlywiki, @Tiddlywiki 
>>>  and @Jermolene 
>>>  could be matched by a Telegram 
>>>  channel.
>>>
>>> I'm interested if any Telegram users here feel the same?
>>>
>>> @TiddlyTweeter
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[tw5] Re: [Demo] TW5 for Readers and Writers

Hi Thomas,

All your designs are so beautiful!

The main problem I see is that there doesn't seem to be a way to change the 
order of tiddlers without manually entering new index numbers. Is that 
right? Or am I missing something? I see where it works fine for reading an 
existing document, but would be challenging for generating new content. 

Thanks!
-- Mark

On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 2:25:45 PM UTC-8, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Inspired by many discussions [1] here about TW as a writing environment, I 
> built my own vision of a reader–writer solution.
>
> A demo is live now on my tid.li server: 
> https://tid.li/tw5/test/concept.html
>
> This project is not finished in any way, but some features/plugins are 
> working and it contains a real book, divided in more than 150 tiddlers as 
> demo content. On start up, the whole book should be loaded, so it might be 
> somewhat slow ... but it’s worth it. 
>
> I do not have the time for further explanations, but the best thing will 
> be if you play with it, read the story, maybe change the story and see how 
> you get along as a reader or writer.
>
> I hope you can grasp some ideas behind it. 
>
> The next week will be busy so answers (and even more: updates) will take 
> some time. 
>
> All the best,
> Thomas
>
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Re: [tw5] [Demo] TW5 for Readers and Writers

2019-01-14 Thread Jan

Hello Thomas,
a very useful developpment... with incredible hidden features like that
footnote enableing to jump back...I will certainly reversengineer how
you did that...

Greetings Jan

Am 13.01.2019 um 23:25 schrieb Thomas Elmiger:
Inspired by many discussions [1] here about TW as a writing
environment, I built my own vision of a reader–writer solution.

A demo is live now on my tid.li server:
https://tid.li/tw5/test/concept.html

This project is not finished in any way, but some features/plugins are
working and it contains a real book, divided in more than 150 tiddlers
as demo content. On start up, the whole book should be loaded, so it
might be somewhat slow ... but it’s worth it.

I do not have the time for further explanations, but the best thing
will be if you play with it, read the story, maybe change the story
and see how you get along as a reader or writer.

I hope you can grasp some ideas behind it.

The next week will be busy so answers (and even more: updates) will
take some time.

All the best,
Thomas

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[tw5] Re: D 5e SRD Plugins

Its good to see that. Its rich and i think could be helpful to RPGers. 
There a number of them using TW well. They tend to speak more on TiddlyWiki 
on Twitter than here.

Best wishes
@TiddlyTweeter

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>
> All, 
>
> A discussion came up about using tiddlywiki for managing D and similar 
> table top games.  I realized I've created/collected a variety of tools for 
> D 5e, and I should probably share them.  Attached is a tiddlywiki with a 
> few plugins.  The first, D Creature Manager adds rendering of monster 
> stat blocks in html format.  The other two contain the 5e SRD monsters and 
> spells.  I wanted to share these in hopes of seeing what people come up 
> with for RPGs.  My dream is to publish an entire D& module as a TW with 
> encounters, NPCs, maps, and the like all included.  
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>

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[tw5] Re: Popularising the TW

Joe

The take-away for me is confirmation of what I know already :-)

Wider uptake will be "click-and-get-on-with-it" ... your wife is right. 

Most users are not interested in either coding applications or faffing 
about getting them running. They interested in delimited aims of specific 
apps dedicated to purpose "out-of-the-box".

Recipes are one of a thousand aims in life. 

THB an issue here is AUTHORS. Jermolene I think correctly comments his 
recipes for home are a small set. I think Mark S. comments on added value 
of ingredient values etc are correct to authoring a decent work of wider 
uptake that is matching or improving on what exists already. A major issue 
is if the writer is mainly into their subject deeply. Its (additional) 
work--and content providers are not that often the same as system providers.

Just thoughts
Josiah

On Sunday, 13 January 2019 20:37:29 UTC+1, Joe Armstrong wrote:
>
> I was having a discussion with my wife about the TW -- I was saying how 
> great it was and so on and how useful it would be for her to learn and use.
>
> She was unconvinced - she said "only programmers are interested in things 
> like this" ...
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[tw5] Quinoid

2019-01-14 Thread Watt

Downloaded Total Commander and followed T.Tweeters suggestions.

Works and saves on internal storage using Total Commander as file manager for 
wiki selection.

Works but doesn't save on external storage, sd card, using Total Commander for 
selection. Could just be my phone, I usually need to use SAF mode to write to 
the sd card.

The wiki file path names in the wiki list are much tidier when selected using 
TC. Previously not user friendly with % everywhere.

So, seems to work on internal but have to use particular file managers. Great 
stuff, looking forward to updates.

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[tw5] Re: Quinoid

Ciao Mark S.

More: FYI I have it now working with 3 wiki. All of which appear to save. I 
think its a good approach to be able to swipe between them.

There are some issues on lack of indicator of loading process but that is 
probably more information than you need right now.

The whole thing looks in a good direction IMO.

Best wishes
Josiah

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> Experimental. Only tested on two devices. Read the documentation.
>
> https://marxsal.github.io/quinoid-releases/
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[tw5] Re: New View Toolbar icon details do not show in Control Panel

2019-01-14 Thread David Nebauer

Thanks, Ton. I had to read over your instructions a few times before the 
light bulb went off, but then I was able to complete the setup very quickly 
and the button now appears properly in the Control Panel listing for the 
View Toolbar.

In the end I created five tiddlers as per your instructions and called them:

   - 
   - $:/core/images/new-from-skeleton
   - $:/language/Buttons/NewFromSkeleton/Caption
   - $:/language/Buttons/NewFromSkeleton/Hint
   - $:/core/ui/Buttons/new-from-skeleton
   - 
   $:/config/ViewToolbarButtons/Visibility/$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-from-skeleton

Is there any problem using the system namespace, e.g., $:/core, $:/language 
and $:/config, with regard to future incompatibilties? Should I be using a 
different namespace with a parallel hierarchy, in the same way some *nix 
filesystems assign /usr for system files and /usr/local for local 
customisations?

Also, I don't get the option to mark my threads as closed. Please feel free 
to do that if you can see that option.

Thanks again for your help.

On Sunday, 13 January 2019 23:16:43 UTC+9:30, Ton Gerner wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>
> The caption field of your button needs an icon and a hint.
> The description field of you button needs a description.
>
> See the discussion at 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywikidev/GUbRjcWei-c/B2q_pD2RDgAJ
>
> And have a look at my - just updated - Customization guide 
> http://tw5custom.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ton
>
>

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[tw5] Re: [Demo] TW5 for Readers and Writers

Thomas ...

Really interesting.

I tested it on Firefox Desktop and then on Android 8.0.0

TBH the approach is really good not just for writers but also for readers. 
On Android particularly it was excellent for better reading. 

I can see how it could be great for E-BOOKS.

 As usual I'm always running ahead ... 2 thoughts (mainly when you just 
want to read ...)

1 -- Add Bookmarking to sections so you can pickup reading where you left 
off;

2 -- Make the menu of contents "pop-in" so the first thing you see is the 
start of the text, not the contents list.

Just thoughts
Josiah


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[tw5] Quinoid

2019-01-14 Thread Riz

Sorry, deleted old message in the thread. I just saw the instruction that the 
TW5 must be kept in external SD card.

Since I formatted the external SD card to be used as internal memory, I have no 
way to test this.

Sincerely,
Riz

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[tw5] Re: Comment on the TW

2019-01-14 Thread SylvainComte

HelloThere

I don't know if it's relevant here but if the projects is still moving 
forward to gitlab, we may use the send issue by email 

 
functionality. The dropdown menu could create the email on the fly using 
*retain-original-tiddler-path* so that the object of the email contains the 
title of the tiddler.

cheers,

Sylvain
@sycom

Le lundi 14 janvier 2019 12:31:29 UTC+1, Joe Armstrong a écrit :
>
> There is an easier way of saying this:
>
> I'd like to send mail to a tiddler
>
> Tiddlers don't have email addresses so you can't send emails to them.
>
> It down be *very nice* if all tiddlers had a "mailto" link in the dropdown 
> region of the tiddler.
> Clicking on this should allow you to compose and send an email to the 
> tiddler.
>
> Well not really - it sends it to an address of some person or program that 
> will do something with
> the mail. What happens when you get such a mail is not part of the TW - 
> it's an out-of-band problem.
>
> Seems to me like entire TW's should have an associated email address.
>
> There is a slight problem here, who gets the mail if a tiddler is modified.
>
>  I think the original author of the tiddler should get the mail
>  If the tiddler has been modified the person who modified the tiddler gets 
> the mail
>  and might possibly forward it to the original author.
>
> Processing such mails would open a range of possibilities.
>
> /Joe
>
>
>
> On Monday, 14 January 2019 08:57:45 UTC+1, Joe Armstrong wrote:
>>
>> I'd like to help improve the quality of the information
>> at https://tiddlywiki.com/
>>
>> Conversations/questions/comments about tiddlers
>> are taking place at the wrong place.
>>
>> Discussion about  tiddlers should take place *at the tiddler* 
>> as a comment appended to the tiddler 
>> and not in this mailing list.
>>
>> I feel like shouting this from the rooftops!
>>
>>
>> Would this work?
>>
>> 1) Comments are submitted by email by submitting
>> through a standard form. 
>> This should have a load of fields
>> TiddlerName, permission to publish etc.
>> (this is for, copyright, permission, GDPR rights etc.)
>>
>> 2) Comments are reviewed by a moderator once a day (by volunteers
>> - this is to avoid spam etc)
>>
>> 3) A "daily version" of the TW is made
>> (could be higher frequency if necessary)
>>
>> 4) Comments are cross-posted to this list
>>
>> This is so people can stumble over the discussion when they search.
>>
>> (It has been previously observed that TW's themselves are badly indexed - 
>> the solution is to cross post to (say) this list and make sure this list is 
>> well indexed :-)
>>
>> One of the bad things about the web is that
>> comments about X - should take place at X and not Y where X and Y 
>> are different locations.
>>
>> This mechanism could eventually be built into the node server to improve 
>> the feedback mechanism to the author of the TW.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> /Joe
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Quinoid

Ciao Mark S.

"Quinoid" -- NB: pretty good name to echo "Quine" on the the other major 
smartphone.

1 - Installed on Android 8.0.0.

2 - Drag and drop "Quinoid" from the Apps. list to the main screen.

3 - Click it to display App Info and click that to go in and activate 
Permissions for Storage

4 - Open the App.

5 - Navigated using "Total Commander as my file browser to find a wiki. 
Within it I used the "file:///storage/etc  /Documents" method to find a 
wiki.

NB ... I did NOT have to have wiki on an SD for it work.

It is saving for me. Confirmed by saving tiddlers, exiting and opening 
again.

HTH
Josiah

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> Experimental. Only tested on two devices. Read the documentation.
>
> https://marxsal.github.io/quinoid-releases/
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[tw5] Quinoid

2019-01-14 Thread Riz

Android 6.0

- Installation Successful

- File picking Success. I have ES Explorer, although the file picker uses the 
default file manager.

- Opening TW5 Success.


- Saving is shown to be success, with usual TW5 notification shown. However, 
changes are not really saved. Opening TW5 separately in browser after closing 
app showed that changes are not saved

- Reopening the app after completely closing it showed the same error as Watt


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[tw5] Re: Comment on the TW

2019-01-14 Thread Joe Armstrong

There is an easier way of saying this:

I'd like to send mail to a tiddler

Tiddlers don't have email addresses so you can't send emails to them.

It down be *very nice* if all tiddlers had a "mailto" link in the dropdown 
region of the tiddler.
Clicking on this should allow you to compose and send an email to the 
tiddler.

Well not really - it sends it to an address of some person or program that 
will do something with
the mail. What happens when you get such a mail is not part of the TW - 
it's an out-of-band problem.

Seems to me like entire TW's should have an associated email address.

There is a slight problem here, who gets the mail if a tiddler is modified.

 I think the original author of the tiddler should get the mail
 If the tiddler has been modified the person who modified the tiddler gets 
the mail
 and might possibly forward it to the original author.

Processing such mails would open a range of possibilities.

/Joe

On Monday, 14 January 2019 08:57:45 UTC+1, Joe Armstrong wrote:
>
> I'd like to help improve the quality of the information
> at https://tiddlywiki.com/
>
> Conversations/questions/comments about tiddlers
> are taking place at the wrong place.
>
> Discussion about  tiddlers should take place *at the tiddler* 
> as a comment appended to the tiddler 
> and not in this mailing list.
>
> I feel like shouting this from the rooftops!
>
>
> Would this work?
>
> 1) Comments are submitted by email by submitting
> through a standard form. 
> This should have a load of fields
> TiddlerName, permission to publish etc.
> (this is for, copyright, permission, GDPR rights etc.)
>
> 2) Comments are reviewed by a moderator once a day (by volunteers
> - this is to avoid spam etc)
>
> 3) A "daily version" of the TW is made
> (could be higher frequency if necessary)
>
> 4) Comments are cross-posted to this list
>
> This is so people can stumble over the discussion when they search.
>
> (It has been previously observed that TW's themselves are badly indexed - 
> the solution is to cross post to (say) this list and make sure this list is 
> well indexed :-)
>
> One of the bad things about the web is that
> comments about X - should take place at X and not Y where X and Y 
> are different locations.
>
> This mechanism could eventually be built into the node server to improve 
> the feedback mechanism to the author of the TW.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> /Joe
>

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[tw5] Re: Global Tiddler?

2019-01-14 Thread S. S.

Eric,

Would the tag *$:/tags/Stylesheet* - *(marks that a tiddler should be 
applied as a CSS stylesheet*) - also be considered a tag that creates a 
Global Tiddler?
If it is, are there any others - like from the list on SystemTags 
?

On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 2:29:34 AM UTC+7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 10:47:30 AM UTC-8, Jeff Wilson wrote:
>>
>> What's an example of a global toddler? The macro documentation mentions 
>> this, but does not define it. 
>>
>
> Normally, macro definitions are only available for use within the tiddler 
> in which they are defined.  To make those macro definitions available for 
> use in other tiddlers, you can add a tag, "$:/tags/Macro" to the tiddler 
> containing the definition.  This is what is meant by a "global tiddler".
>
> Internally, this is accomplished by this line within the standard 
> $:/core/ui/PageTemplate:
> \import [[$:/core/ui/PageMacros]] [all[shadows+tiddlers]tag[$:/tags/Macro
> ]!has[draft.of]]
> which automatically loads any macros defined in the $:/core/ui/PageMacros 
> system tiddler, as well as any tiddlers tagged with $:/tags/Macro
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Popularising the TW

2019-01-14 Thread S. S.


I wish Tobias had a recipe for Beer 
.

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[tw5] Re: Comment on the TW

As a related idea, I have been looking into running a Zulip server. It is 
like an open source Discord but not run using a business model based around 
spying on people using it and you don't have to pay for features. One of 
the nice features is you can make very flexible bots using python or node, 
so you could have conversations on it and have the bot send interesting 
parts to the list here or include them in a wiki.

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[tw5] Re: Comment on the TW

I made a wiki that used hashover to let people leave comments but I don't 
think it is available anymore. It used hashover to save the comments using 
a php server and then in the wiki a widget would query the server for new 
comments and make tiddlers out of them and display them as a threaded 
conversation. That approach was a bit unwieldy, but it is possible.

I am hoping to use Bob to make a much more streamlined commenting system, 
it has enough control over permissions that it could allow comments without 
a login but still prevent any other changes to the wiki. 

As a note, any commenting system should almost certainly only save the 
rendered html of the comments to prevent malicious wikitext or javascript 
from being embedded in the wiki.

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[tw5] Re: usability: achieving improved drag-and-drop of external files

If you are using the node version I made a plugin to sort of do this. It 
can intercept the import process and save the image or whatever media is 
imported to a folder and create a _canonical_uri tiddler for it. I don't 
think I have written much documentation for it though. 

The plugin is here, if you are feeling brave. Make sure to back up all your 
data.

https://www.ooktech.xyz:8443/Public#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2FOokTech%2FServerImages

I am pretty certain that this wouldn't be possible to automate in any 
reasonable way in a single file wiki.

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[tw5] usability: achieving improved drag-and-drop of external files

R2,

I believe the technology is available, already, even if it is a two step 
process import then re-export. The drop mechanisium can be designed and a drop 
zone defined to do what ever we want, perhaps dropping images in the images 
folder below the wiki then drag the filename into tiddlywiki to create a 
tiddler referencing an image by that name is already possible.

Of course I would prefer to drop any image in my wiki and create a tiddler 
referencing that image externaly wherever it came from relative or absolute 
antwhere in my desktop so I could organise my 100k+ photos. Only loading the 
image when its tiddler is opened or transcluded.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Quinoid

2019-01-14 Thread Watt

Feedback on Quinoid;
Installed ok on Android 7 phone.
Complained about untrusted sources, went to settings, security, allowed install
from untrusted sources (turned off after).

Installed.
Opens ok. Clicked 'find TW file' - used default android file selector, found a
wiki file on internal storage.

Worked! Wiki opened, functioning.

Added new tiddler, saved, save notification confirmed.

Clicked Android back, returned me to 'find TW file', reopened same wiki - no
save. Test tiddler not there.

Went to settings, Apps, permissions and gave Quinoid storage permission, which
it hadn't asked for. No change, saves still not saved.

So on my phone everything worked on internal storage but didn't save changes.

(File names displayed in 'find TW file' need tidying up. Full path name
currently displayed)

Tried it again on external storage, same process, same result.

When I go back to 'find TW file' and reopen the previously selected external
file I get 'webpage can't be opened' net::ERR_UNKNOWN_URL_SCHEME

The sliding navigation from one wiki to the next works.

Tap and hold on a wiki list item removes it from the list.

Haven't got ES Explorer but might try it if that is the issue. It didn't work
with Ghost Commander. Obviously shouldn't need a special file manager or
external storage only but I'm sure you're working on that.

Hope this feedback helps. Any chance of collaboration with the other ongoing TW
Android app?

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[tw5] Comment on the TW

Joe,

I agree with this idea of comments in close proximity to the actual issue. I am 
personaly trying to build a mechanisium for this but others may be better 
qualified. This is my approach;

Allow tiddlywiki to save in the browser session like noteself allows. Allow the 
fully updated wiki to be saved to disk but also allow comments, notes edits and 
new tiddlers to be exported to a json file or idealy emailed as an attachment 
from the browser, or submitted to file queue. Then provide an import tool which 
allows a review and apply changes during the import process.

Such a system would assist in rapid feedback and enhancement. Allowing lessons 
learned and observations made by people to be captured in real time.

Tony

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