Re: [tw5] Re: How do I use GitHub Saver?

[Hiran Venugopalan]

It worked.
I didn't provide access to 'create gist' with creating my Github PAT.
Now it's working fine, and I am using something called
https://kebifurai.github.io/TiddlyResearch/
The only issue is it keeps giving XMLHttpRequest error code: 409, as
autosave happens too frequently (i think)

On Sat, 31 Oct 2020 at 00:12, Eric Shulman  wrote:

> On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 5:06:35 AM UTC-7, Hiran Venugopalan wrote:
>>
>> I followed GithubUsername/RepostioryName format only.
>> (https://github.com/hfactor/hfactor.github.io is my repository. and I
>> used hfactor/hfactor.github.io)
>> I then moved it to a folder and added /wiki/. but still got the same
>> error.
>>
>
> In my GitHub Saver setup, I used the following:
>
> Username = myusername
> Personal Access Token = long alpha-numeric sequence
> Target Repository = myusername/myusername.github.com
> Target branch for saving = master
> Path to target file = foldername
> Filename of target file = index.html
> Server API URL = https://api.github.com
>
> Note that the Path to target file does NOT include leading or trailing
> "/"... just the folder name by itself
>
> -e
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[tw5] Re: What is the science of thinking?

[Donald Coates]

It sounds like you are describing Information Architecture 
.

On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 3:52:17 AM UTC-4 bimlas wrote:

> I apologize for writing to the group lately on philosophical topics, but a 
> note-taking software isn’t worth much if the notes in it aren’t effective 
> enough. I try to understand the process of thinking and adapt the workflow 
> to it as needed, either by writing new plugins or by making more useful use 
> of existing options.
>
> With Zettelkasten, I understood why it is important to create a second 
> brain, and the book Sonke Ahrens: How to Take Smart Notes highlighted that 
> it is not only important but essential because we are thinking through 
> writing. He talked a lot about how the brain works, how we can regulate 
> ourselves, why rules and consistency are important.
>
> Bret Victor’s almost every performance, but most of all Inventing on 
> Principle , made me understand that in order 
> to create something radically new, you have to completely forget what you 
> currently know about the world (it is a must-see for any philosophical 
> person, even if the basic topic is software development). Dare to think 
> freely, as this was done by all those who ultimately changed the world 
> (e.g., Einstein kicked Newton in the ass).
>
> These encouraged me to think about the process of thinking itself. Is 
> there a science of thoughts? Would that be the philosophy?
>
> Can similar rules be drawn on thoughts as well, e.g. mathematical 
> formulas, or program design patterns. Is it possible to standardize the way 
> of thinking even with formulas? Is it possible to refactor thoughts? Can 
> they be grouped (as integers, irrational numbers, etc.)?
>
> Can thoughts be measurable, can they be quantified? Do thoughts have 
> properties (such as time, importance of tasks)? If so, mathematical 
> formulas can be used on them, they can be represented with a UML diagram, 
> they can be arranged in a row, set theory can be applied on them.
>
> I don’t think I’m the first to come up with these thoughts, so I’m asking 
> you scientists what the name of this science is?
>

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[tw5] Re: Twexe and TW5-jsoneditor issues?

[TW Tones]

TiddlyNovice

FYI: You can load TWexe with any wiki including the latest version. 

Personally I favour Timimi on Chrome and Firefox for local files that do 
not need local filesystem access.

Regards
Tony


On Saturday, 31 October 2020 10:06:19 UTC+11, Tiddly Novice wrote:
>
> TiddlyDesktop seems to be working, though I had a brief moment of panic 
> when it didn't seem able to save. Turned out that it can't save if I use 
> the wiki html files generated by twexe. I guess because they're for older 
> versions? I haven't tested if the Json editor works on the newer version of 
> TW I'm using, but since it isn't getting updated I guess there wouldn't be 
> much point. But I'm not sure I've found examples for how to use the json 
> mangler like I was hoping to use the json editor. Should I start a new 
> conversation to ask for guidance on that?
>
> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 3:06:41 PM UTC-7 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> The Current version at tiddlywiki.com is 5.1.22 (find to use now) and 
>> the pre-release version is 5.1.23 which may be released soon, do not use 
>> until released to tiddlywiki.com, perhaps even wait for a little while 
>> for a 5.1.24 if there are bugs. 
>>
>> Tones
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 30 October 2020 05:56:19 UTC+11, Tiddly Novice wrote:
>>>
>>> The TW version is 5.1.9 in the control panel. I don't know if that's 
>>> newer or older. I'm open to changing versions and using different things, 
>>> as I'm not currently locked into any particular version yet. I'm just 
>>> trying to get a good start right now. I shall look into TiddlyDesktop.
>>> On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 5:54:12 PM UTC-7 TW Tones wrote:
>>>
 Also in addition to Joshua's notes I have a separate wiki for JSON 
 mangling, generating new tiddlers from my import data and transfer the 
 data 
 to my wiki, 

 ie: So you twexe need not support JSON mangler but will make use of its 
 results. 

 If using twexe you may also consider making use of TiddlyDesktop 
 instead.

 Regards
 Tones 


 On Thursday, 29 October 2020 07:15:32 UTC+11, Tiddly Novice wrote:
>
>
> I'm trying to get a new TW working with TWexe and the TW5-jsoneditor 
> plug-in working on a windows 10 computer with firefox, but after I drag 
> and 
> drop all the plug-in tiddlers from the plug-in into the fresh wiki (as 
> instructed), save, and refresh I get nothing but a page with an error 
> message that reads:
> > "Internal Javascript Error 
> > Well, this is embarrassing. It is recommended that you restart 
> TiddlyWiki by refreshing your browser
> > TypeError: $tw.KeyboardManager is not a constructor"
>
> Refreshing doesn't change anything. I've basically forgotten all the 
> TW knowledge I ever had after years of not using it, so I have no idea 
> what 
> I'm doing wrong. Anybody have an idea?
>


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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Static --render command and "tv-get-export-link/path"

[Donald Coates]

so mine looks like this:
 --render "[page-type[post]publish[yes]]" "[has[created]addsuffix[.html]]" 
"text/plain" "$:/blog-gallery/templates/static.tiddler.html"

On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 7:53:48 PM UTC-4 Donald Coates wrote:

> try putting all in quotes including "text/plain" and use [has[created] 
> instead of [is[tiddler]
>
> On Saturday, September 12, 2020 at 3:08:02 PM UTC-4 bmad...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> I have been using the tiddlywiki --rendertiddlers command to render the 
>> tiddlers for my static website. Since the --rendertiddlers is depreciated 
>> in favour of --render, I have been trying to make the transition as well. 
>>
>> However, the render command doesnt encode the filenames using 
>> tv-get-export-link or tv-get-export-path by default. The internal links are 
>> still getting encoded properly.
>>
>> This works perfectly:
>> tiddlywiki --rendertiddlers '[!is[system]]' adithyab/website/base . 
>> text/plain
>>
>> This doesnt format the filenames at all:
>> tiddlywiki --render "[!is[system]]" "[is[tiddler]addsuffix[.html]]" 
>> text/plain adithyab/website/base
>>
>> How to get the --render command to use the tv-get-export-path/link macros?
>> Thanks for helping.
>> Adithya
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Static --render command and "tv-get-export-link/path"

[Donald Coates]

try putting all in quotes including "text/plain" and use [has[created] 
instead of [is[tiddler]

On Saturday, September 12, 2020 at 3:08:02 PM UTC-4 bmad...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I have been using the tiddlywiki --rendertiddlers command to render the 
> tiddlers for my static website. Since the --rendertiddlers is depreciated 
> in favour of --render, I have been trying to make the transition as well. 
>
> However, the render command doesnt encode the filenames using 
> tv-get-export-link or tv-get-export-path by default. The internal links are 
> still getting encoded properly.
>
> This works perfectly:
> tiddlywiki --rendertiddlers '[!is[system]]' adithyab/website/base . 
> text/plain
>
> This doesnt format the filenames at all:
> tiddlywiki --render "[!is[system]]" "[is[tiddler]addsuffix[.html]]" 
> text/plain adithyab/website/base
>
> How to get the --render command to use the tv-get-export-path/link macros?
> Thanks for helping.
> Adithya
>

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[tw5] Re: New Google Group: View Starred Topics?

[Donald Coates]

FINALLY!

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 6:52:50 PM UTC-4 amreus wrote:

> Quick update - there is now a "Starred conversations" item on the left in 
> the new interface.
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Twexe and TW5-jsoneditor issues?

[Tiddly Novice]

TiddlyDesktop seems to be working, though I had a brief moment of panic 
when it didn't seem able to save. Turned out that it can't save if I use 
the wiki html files generated by twexe. I guess because they're for older 
versions? I haven't tested if the Json editor works on the newer version of 
TW I'm using, but since it isn't getting updated I guess there wouldn't be 
much point. But I'm not sure I've found examples for how to use the json 
mangler like I was hoping to use the json editor. Should I start a new 
conversation to ask for guidance on that?

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 3:06:41 PM UTC-7 TW Tones wrote:

> The Current version at tiddlywiki.com is 5.1.22 (find to use now) and the 
> pre-release version is 5.1.23 which may be released soon, do not use until 
> released to tiddlywiki.com, perhaps even wait for a little while for a 
> 5.1.24 if there are bugs. 
>
> Tones
>
>
> On Friday, 30 October 2020 05:56:19 UTC+11, Tiddly Novice wrote:
>>
>> The TW version is 5.1.9 in the control panel. I don't know if that's 
>> newer or older. I'm open to changing versions and using different things, 
>> as I'm not currently locked into any particular version yet. I'm just 
>> trying to get a good start right now. I shall look into TiddlyDesktop.
>> On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 5:54:12 PM UTC-7 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> Also in addition to Joshua's notes I have a separate wiki for JSON 
>>> mangling, generating new tiddlers from my import data and transfer the data 
>>> to my wiki, 
>>>
>>> ie: So you twexe need not support JSON mangler but will make use of its 
>>> results. 
>>>
>>> If using twexe you may also consider making use of TiddlyDesktop instead.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tones 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 29 October 2020 07:15:32 UTC+11, Tiddly Novice wrote:


 I'm trying to get a new TW working with TWexe and the TW5-jsoneditor 
 plug-in working on a windows 10 computer with firefox, but after I drag 
 and 
 drop all the plug-in tiddlers from the plug-in into the fresh wiki (as 
 instructed), save, and refresh I get nothing but a page with an error 
 message that reads:
 > "Internal Javascript Error 
 > Well, this is embarrassing. It is recommended that you restart 
 TiddlyWiki by refreshing your browser
 > TypeError: $tw.KeyboardManager is not a constructor"

 Refreshing doesn't change anything. I've basically forgotten all the TW 
 knowledge I ever had after years of not using it, so I have no idea what 
 I'm doing wrong. Anybody have an idea?

>>>

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[tw5] Re: Clipper within tiddlywiki to create streams tiddlers

[TW Tones]

arun,

If you are using the standard editor you can create a button to copy a 
selection to the clipboard and or a tiddler. However unless there is a way 
to make such a copy function available on top of say viewing a PDF that is 
another story and beyond my skills, however it will copy to the clipboard.

Perhaps what you need here is a way to paste from the clipboard into a 
Stream, perhaps even a selected stream?

This would then work for inserting content from anywhere.

Tones


On Saturday, 31 October 2020 08:29:01 UTC+11, arun babu wrote:
>
> I have embedded pdf/web versions of various articles within tiddlers of my 
> tiddlywiki file. I was thinking of making notes from these articles within 
> my tiddlywiki file itself. 
>
> Is there any way to clip sentences which i find interesting from these 
> articles and directly make them into streams tiddlers. For example a small 
> pop up called "add to tiddler" come up when ever I select a text to create 
> a streams tiddler using that text. Is there any way to do this. 
>
> I have used tiddlyclip plug in, but its not working with streams plug in 
> (I mean clipped sentences form a regular tiddler, not a stream tiddler). 
> Its too much time consuming to make streams tiddlers by "cut pasting".from 
> that regular tiddler which has the clipped content. Is there anyway to make 
> the tiddlyclip plug in work with streams.
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Detect if sidebar breakpoint is reached

[TW Tones]

Shareda,

Sorry my notes did not help. A little more but not the answer I am sure.

$:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/metrics/sidebarbreakpoint={{$:/themes/
tiddlywiki/vanilla/metrics/sidebarbreakpoint}}
<$set name=sidebarbreakpoint value={{$:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/metrics/
sidebarbreakpoint}}>
sidebarbreakpoint=<>


Tones

On Friday, 30 October 2020 21:03:15 UTC+11, Shareda wrote:
>
> TW Tones, thank you! I've found out the same but I don't understand how i 
> should get the page width, how I assign it to the variable available for 
> tiddler wikitext.
>
> пятница, 30 октября 2020 г. в 04:30:48 UTC+6, TW Tones: 
>
>> Shareda,
>>
>> The trick is to find out how tiddlywiki already does it, and do similar.
>>
>>- See here https://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2FControlPanel
>>- and $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/metrics/sidebarbreakpoint which 
>>sets the break point
>>- Then search 
>>for $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/metrics/sidebarbreakpoint in the 
>> advanced 
>>search system and shadows tabs.
>>- Then we find its in the $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/base which 
>>means its theme dependant
>>- This is possible all in the Page Template and uses standard 
>>html/css but you could just use the value in 
>>$:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/metrics/sidebarbreakpoint if you want 
>>depending on what you are trying to achieve.
>>
>> Tones
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 30 October 2020 06:47:00 UTC+11, Shareda wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello! I'm using JD's Mobile Layout. The sidebar does not hide when I 
>>> click any navigate button, e.g. navigating to AdvancedSearch or my custom 
>>> buttons.
>>>
>>> I would like to use ActionSetFieldWidget inside of my buttons to hide 
>>> the sidebar if the breakpoint is reached. *How should I detect this 
>>> condition?*
>>>
>>> JD's Mob uses *Sidebar Breakpoint* set at *Control Panel *and standard 
>>> top bar buttons to show or hide the sidebar, so I think my question is 
>>> about common tiddlywiki features.
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Autoclose feature. Max 10 recent open tiddlers.

[TW Tones]

Shareda,

I tend not to need what you are asking for because I close unwanted 
tiddlers, use close others or close all as needed. 

However I can see how this may be useful. I have also made a tools to track 
the current sessions history.

In this case you are asking that on opening one tiddler it closes another. 
For this reason I suggest creating a button to do the opening and use that 
to open tiddlers and simultaneously close the "excess tiddler". You can use 
the link catcher to capture the name of the tiddler to open, then use its 
actions parameter to trigger open tiddler and the close.

Lets assume you are happy to use the story list this solution works, but 
since it will itself be closed I have put it in the sidebar 

Tag with $:/tags/SideBar
\define close-tiddler-action(tiddlername) 
<$set name=tiddlername value="$(currentTiddler)$" emptyValue=<<
currentTiddler>> >
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-close-tiddler" $param="SampleWizard"/>

\end
\define open-close-behind() 
<$list filter="[enlist{$:/StoryList!!list}nth[3]]">
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-close-tiddler" $param=<>/>

<$action-navigate $to=<>/>
\end

$:/temp/last-opened=<$link to={{$:/temp/last-opened}}/>

<$linkcatcher to="$:/temp/last-opened" actions=<> >
{{TableOfContents}}


Note: 

   - for testing this closes the third, alter nth(3] to nth[10]
   - The close-tiddler-action definition is not in use

Regards
Tones



On Friday, 30 October 2020 21:55:22 UTC+11, Shareda wrote:
>
> Hello! Maybe someone knows some plugin doing something like this. If there 
> are 10 tiddlers already open then the first one is closed automatically  
> when navigating to the 11th one. 
>
> As I understand there should be navigate history and the navigate event to 
> do that.  
> Now I found the LinkCatcherWidget. But I'm not sure where I can get the 
> list of recent navigations. Does anyone know that? Or how i can get that 
> list from 
>
> If I get it then I plan to 
> 1. Place the LinkCatcherWidget to the PageTemplate with
> 2. Filter [rest[10]] tiddlers
> 3. Apply WidgetMessage: tm-close-tiddler.
>
> Is this a good plan?
>  
> That would be super great to forget about finding and closing old tiddlers.
>

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[tw5] Clipper within tiddlywiki to create streams tiddlers

[arun babu]

I have embedded pdf/web versions of various articles within tiddlers of my 
tiddlywiki file. I was thinking of making notes from these articles within 
my tiddlywiki file itself. 

Is there any way to clip sentences which i find interesting from these 
articles and directly make them into streams tiddlers. For example a small 
pop up called "add to tiddler" come up when ever I select a text to create 
a streams tiddler using that text. Is there any way to do this. 

I have used tiddlyclip plug in, but its not working with streams plug in (I 
mean clipped sentences form a regular tiddler, not a stream tiddler). Its 
too much time consuming to make streams tiddlers by "cut pasting".from that 
regular tiddler which has the clipped content. Is there anyway to make the 
tiddlyclip plug in work with streams.



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[tw5] Re: Idea / inspiration for tables?

[David Gifford]

Can't wait! Thanks to all of you for your work on this!

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 11:16:35 PM UTC-6 PMario wrote:

> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 8:51:27 PM UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> I remember this kind of table code being discussed once in a Google 
>> Hangout years ago, then it was never mentioned again there or here.
>>
>
> That's right. It spooked around in my head for a long time. ... I'm 
> developing a new plugin with Tony and TT that is close to (prime) beta time.
> So there will be an announcement sooner than later ;)
>  
>
>> Yes, that would definitely solve the problem!
>>
>
> The idea is intended for tables cells with "some text" and also for "block 
> mode" text like bullet lists. .. It's possible to transclude tiddlers, if 
> you need cells with much text. 
>
> It should be easier to use with copy/paste than "traditional" TW tables.
>  
>
>> One question: would » in the cell text break the table? Just wondering 
>> since  «  and  »  is what Spanish uses for quoted text. They don't 
>> normally use our English " and ".
>>
>
> There are different markers (glyphs). But as long as » isn't at the start 
> of the line there shouldn't be a conflict. 
>
> The whole thing should be very flexible. 
>
> have fun!
> mario
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: command line backup

[Alvin Orzechowski]

Ah, the scales drop, and I see the light.  Yes, I'm using TWclassic, Eric.
Thanx for enlightening me.


Shalom, Salaam,
Be well,

Alvin
*“Don't piss off old people. The older we get, the less 'life in prison' is
a deterrent.”* ~seen on a t-shirt

On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 1:34 PM Eric Shulman  wrote:

> On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 10:59:53 AM UTC-7, Alvin wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for all your help, Eric.
>>
>> I didn't understand "open the $:/ControlPanel "Saving", "TiddlySpot
>> Saver" tab "  I'm chasing my tail looking for $:/ControlPanel.
>>
>
> The $:/ControlPanel instructions only apply if you are using TW5 on
> TiddlySpot.
>
> If you are still using TWClassic, then the "create a link, right click,
> choose "Save link as..." procedure is the one to use.
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: How do I use GitHub Saver?

[Eric Shulman]

On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 5:06:35 AM UTC-7, Hiran Venugopalan wrote:
>
> I followed GithubUsername/RepostioryName format only. 
> (https://github.com/hfactor/hfactor.github.io is my repository. and I 
> used hfactor/hfactor.github.io)
> I then moved it to a folder and added /wiki/. but still got the same 
> error. 
>

In my GitHub Saver setup, I used the following:

Username = myusername
Personal Access Token = long alpha-numeric sequence
Target Repository = myusername/myusername.github.com
Target branch for saving = master
Path to target file = foldername
Filename of target file = index.html
Server API URL = https://api.github.com

Note that the Path to target file does NOT include leading or trailing 
"/"... just the folder name by itself

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Re: [tw5] Re: How do I use GitHub Saver?

[Hiran Venugopalan]

I tried modifying my git repo and did a few pushes. Also tried multiple
wikis at multiple locations, still the result is same. 404 error.

On Fri, 30 Oct 2020 at 20:04, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> This is just a guess, but I would try loading index.html or any file via
> the Github interface to your target directory (either / or /wiki/) . It
> might be that until you make the first entry in github there is no there
> "there", so you get a 404.
>
> On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 2:38:23 AM UTC-7, Hiran Venugopalan wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I tried this. But I am getting a XMLHttpRequest error code: 404
>> I have given username, PAT, repository, branch, path and file. But this
>> is the error I am seeing.
>> On refresh, it shows default value + PAT stored, but everything else is
>> shown empty.
>>
>> Attaching screenshot.
>>
>> On Thursday, October 17, 2019 at 12:05:25 AM UTC+5:30 Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>> Is your path to target file (e.g. /wiki/) filled in?
>>>
>>> When I tried it, I found that *something* has to go in that box, even if
>>> it's just the root "/"
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 16, 2019 at 11:32:15 AM UTC-7, leeand00 wrote:

 I put in the password, my account name, the repository, the branch
 etc...and when I click save, it still saves to my desktop and not GitHub.

 I don't want to use any of that 2 factor auth stuff, that's overkill.

 Is there another setting I have to change (in TW5 or my browser to get
 that to work)?

 It sounds like a really great feature.

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Re: [tw5] Re: command line backup

[Eric Shulman]

On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 10:59:53 AM UTC-7, Alvin wrote:
>
> Thank you for all your help, Eric.
>
> I didn't understand "open the $:/ControlPanel "Saving", "TiddlySpot Saver" 
> tab "  I'm chasing my tail looking for $:/ControlPanel.
>

The $:/ControlPanel instructions only apply if you are using TW5 on 
TiddlySpot.

If you are still using TWClassic, then the "create a link, right click, 
choose "Save link as..." procedure is the one to use.

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Re: [tw5] Re: command line backup

[Alvin Orzechowski]

Thank you for all your help, Eric.

I didn't understand "open the $:/ControlPanel "Saving", "TiddlySpot Saver"
tab "  I'm chasing my tail looking for $:/ControlPanel.



On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 12:11 PM Eric Shulman  wrote:

> On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 9:33:02 AM UTC-7, Alvin wrote:
>>
>> The "Save Page As..." option in the Firefox "File" pull-down menu not
>> only saves the file, but also a folder with an htm file and an urchin.js
>> file. I don't know enough to
>>
> know if they're important, but before this I was able to bring up my
>> TiddlySpot files locally without them.
>>
>
> Don't use the  "Save Page As..." command!  This saves the currently loaded
> file which, because of the dynamic nature of TiddlyWiki, can be *different*
> from the file stored on the server.  Use the steps I outlined, where you
> create a *link* with the URL for the current HTML file, and then use RIGHT
> CLICK on that link to get a popup menu.  Then select "Save LINK as..." to
> download that URL, without loading it into the browser.
>
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[tw5] Re: command line backup

[Eric Shulman]

On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 9:33:02 AM UTC-7, Alvin wrote:
>
> The "Save Page As..." option in the Firefox "File" pull-down menu not only 
> saves the file, but also a folder with an htm file and an urchin.js file. 
> I don't know enough to 
>
know if they're important, but before this I was able to bring up my 
> TiddlySpot files locally without them.
>

Don't use the  "Save Page As..." command!  This saves the currently loaded 
file which, because of the dynamic nature of TiddlyWiki, can be *different* 
from the file stored on the server.  Use the steps I outlined, where you 
create a *link* with the URL for the current HTML file, and then use RIGHT 
CLICK on that link to get a popup menu.  Then select "Save LINK as..." to 
download that URL, without loading it into the browser.

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[tw5] Re: command line backup

[André Carvalho]

Follow Eric guideline above and it shall work with Classic

On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 4:33:02 PM UTC Alvin wrote:

> Didn't know about Curl.  Thank you.
>
> The "Save Page As..." option in the Firefox "File" pull-down menu not only 
> saves the file, but also a folder with an htm file and an urchin.js file. 
> I don't know enough to know if they're important, but before this I was 
> able to bring up my TiddlySpot files locally without them. 
>
> On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 3:31:39 AM UTC-5 amreus wrote:
>
>> Quick command line backup:
>>
>> > curl http://yoursite.tiddlyspot.com > yoursite.html
>>
>> curl is available on most operating systems by default, including Windows.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 4:06:44 AM UTC-4 Eric Shulman wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 10:54:01 PM UTC-7, AndrewMc wrote:

 is there an equivalent way to download TW classic (2.x) wikis?

>>>
>>> Prior to the recent TiddlySpot crisis, the normal way to download a copy 
>>> of your TiddlySpot
>>> was to go to http://yoursite.tiddlyspot.com/download
>>>
>>> However, the download link is not currently available.
>>>
>>> As a work-around:
>>>
>>> 1) open your TiddlySpot (e.g., http://yoursite.tiddlyspot.com)
>>> 2) create a new tiddler containing:
>>> [[click me|http://yoursite.tiddlyspot.com]]
>>> 3) *right click* on the "click me" link that is displayed
>>> 4) Choose "Save link as..."
>>> 5) If your browser is set to "always ask where to save", then you can 
>>> choose a local folder and enter a destination filename
>>>
>>> Note that "save link as..." is not the same function as "save as..."
>>>
>>> -e
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: command line backup

[Alvin]

Didn't know about Curl.  Thank you.

The "Save Page As..." option in the Firefox "File" pull-down menu not only 
saves the file, but also a folder with an htm file and an urchin.js file. I 
don't know enough to know if they're important, but before this I was able 
to bring up my TiddlySpot files locally without them. 

On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 3:31:39 AM UTC-5 amreus wrote:

> Quick command line backup:
>
> > curl http://yoursite.tiddlyspot.com > yoursite.html
>
> curl is available on most operating systems by default, including Windows.
>
>
> On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 4:06:44 AM UTC-4 Eric Shulman wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 10:54:01 PM UTC-7, AndrewMc wrote:
>>>
>>> is there an equivalent way to download TW classic (2.x) wikis?
>>>
>>
>> Prior to the recent TiddlySpot crisis, the normal way to download a copy 
>> of your TiddlySpot
>> was to go to http://yoursite.tiddlyspot.com/download
>>
>> However, the download link is not currently available.
>>
>> As a work-around:
>>
>> 1) open your TiddlySpot (e.g., http://yoursite.tiddlyspot.com)
>> 2) create a new tiddler containing:
>> [[click me|http://yoursite.tiddlyspot.com]]
>> 3) *right click* on the "click me" link that is displayed
>> 4) Choose "Save link as..."
>> 5) If your browser is set to "always ask where to save", then you can 
>> choose a local folder and enter a destination filename
>>
>> Note that "save link as..." is not the same function as "save as..."
>>
>> -e
>>
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[tw5] Re: Lightweight diagrams (e.g. concept maps)?

[Sean Boyle]

Hi Victor,
Thanks for the reply!

Yes, I tried out PlantUML (nice sequence diagram, btw).  I don't know if it 
is still that way, but it used to be that the drawing was pushed to an 
internet server for processing.  I'm more interested in something which is 
self-contained, especially since some of my diagrams could be considered 
sensitive, but in general I like self-contained solutions.  Some others 
which I have tried out are:
* Mermaid
* Graphviz
* Railroad
* Tidgraph
* edit in an external tool, render, and import the SVG (usually yEd)


On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 6:54:19 AM UTC-7 Victor Dorneanu wrote:

> Hi,
>
> there is also PlantUML: http://tobibeer.github.io/tw5-plugins/#plantuml
>
> I've used this for some proof-of-concept I was doing:
> https://tiddly.info/serverless#about
>
> KR, 
> Victor 
>
> On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 1:08:57 AM UTC+1 Sean Boyle wrote:
>
>> Pinging this topic again.  It appears that diagramming plugins come, then 
>> are abandoned.  I have taken to using graphviz (viz plugin) and it works 
>> reasonably well (only a bit quirky) and if there were some reasonable ways 
>> of adding symbols for creating graphs such as flowchart, CORAS, BPMN, 
>> sequence, communication diagrams, it would fulfill 90% of my needs.  Having 
>> said that, are there any efforts out there for incorporating lightweight 
>> graphing with extensible symbol sets, or diagramming?
>>
>> On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 2:00:59 PM UTC-7 Sean Boyle wrote:
>>
>>> I found that sequence diagrammes seem to copy / paste, but DAG and GANTT 
>>> do not.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 1:44:16 PM UTC-7, Sean Boyle wrote:

 My workaround is to use the online editor: 
 https://mermaidjs.github.io/mermaid-live-editor/#/edit/eyJjb2RlIjoiZ3JhcGggVERcbkFbQ2hyaXN0bWFzXSAtLT58R2V0IG1vbmV5fCBCKEdvIHNob3BwaW5nKVxuQiAtLT4gQ3tMZXQgbWUgdGhpbmt9XG5DIC0tPnxPbmV8IERbTGFwdG9wXVxuQyAtLT58VHdvfCBFW2lQaG9uZV1cbkMgLS0-fFRocmVlfCBGW0Nhcl1cbiIsIm1lcm1haWQiOnsidGhlbWUiOiJkZWZhdWx0In19
  , 
 save as SVG, import to TW, and transclude.  That seems to work OK for 
 copy/paste to other windows.  It does seem to be a problem for other 
 graphical stuff, like railroad diagrams.

 On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 4:39:51 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Sean
>
> I agree that Mermaid for TiddlyWiki is good. Its simple plain text 
> syntax is excellent and fits TW editing style very well. 
>
> Regarding the non-printability. That is a known issue with that type 
> of graphic rendering. I'm not sure that its easily fixable. The way I get 
> round it if I need to print a Mermaid diagram is to take a screen capture 
> save as a file and link to that image in the TW. Its too laborious a 
> method 
> for other than occasional use, but a work-around for limited cases.
>
> You are right: looks like its been basically abandoned. Part of the 
> issue is I think the author probably concluded that no one was 
> interested. 
> He has other good graphic tools that equally haven't got much notice.
>
> As far as I can see it needs a bit of tweeking -- one issue I 
> sometimes encountered was getting the text to fit properly. But the core 
> is 
> there and functional.
>
> As far as getting the plugin revised. I dunno. I don't have skill for 
> that. Its a good tool so maybe in time interest to revisit it will grow?
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>


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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[Alvin]

What André said about paying a fee.  I concur, although "reasonable" means 
something different to those of us on a fixed income.

On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 11:07:58 AM UTC-5 André Carvalho wrote:

> Thank You Simon and Daniel!
> I got my data back. And yes, I'll backup more often ;)
> You have a very nice service with TiddlySpot and I would not mind to pay a 
> reasonable fee to help maintaining and developing it.
>
> Best regards
> André de Carvalho 
>
> PS: Continuing the "not a lawyer..." before I got hooked on software I did 
> studied Law up to the 4th year in a 5 year course in Coimbra University ;)
> The facts are :
> - that if DreamHost didn't provide Simon and Daniel access to the 
> DreamObject they would become "Controllers" of the information
> - the information contains personal data of mine (name, e-mail, personal 
> thoughts, opinions and facts)
> - Article 15 ( 
> https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32016R0679=EN#d1e2513-1-1
>  
> ) grants me the right of access
> - the jurisdiction issue is arguable (US company, EU person, EU data, 
> transnational facts, ...)  Preamble (23) extends controller obligations to 
> non EU entities
>
> I would not say this is the worst case I saw  but in fact I didn't 
> studied it properly...
>
> Just saying... not trying to start any flame here especially with guys 
> from whom I've already learned a lot.
>
> On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 4:54:10 PM UTC Mark S. wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 8:02:46 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 7:18:47 AM UTC-7, André Carvalho wrote:

 There is, at least, a violation of good-faith and a right of accessing 
 my data under EU law that I'll exercise if there is no other solution.

>>>
>>> In keeping with the "I'm not a lawyer but I play one on the Internet" 
>>> theme...
>>>
>>>
>> Continuing your "not a lawyer" theme, DH is a California company, so it's 
>> likely EU laws won't apply. Even Prop 24 doesn't seem to provide "data 
>> guaranteed" rights.
>>
>> Having read the Wikipedia page, I'm really hoping this is just a fluke. 
>> They went to bat to fight for their customer's privacy rights, moving them 
>> into the "good guy" category. Of course, maybe they wrote the wikipedia 
>> page ;-)
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[André Carvalho]

 Thank You Simon and Daniel!
I got my data back. And yes, I'll backup more often ;)
You have a very nice service with TiddlySpot and I would not mind to pay a 
reasonable fee to help maintaining and developing it.

Best regards
André de Carvalho 

PS: Continuing the "not a lawyer..." before I got hooked on software I did 
studied Law up to the 4th year in a 5 year course in Coimbra University ;)
The facts are :
- that if DreamHost didn't provide Simon and Daniel access to the 
DreamObject they would become "Controllers" of the information
- the information contains personal data of mine (name, e-mail, personal 
thoughts, opinions and facts)
- Article 15 ( 
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32016R0679=EN#d1e2513-1-1
 
) grants me the right of access
- the jurisdiction issue is arguable (US company, EU person, EU data, 
transnational facts, ...)  Preamble (23) extends controller obligations to 
non EU entities

I would not say this is the worst case I saw  but in fact I didn't 
studied it properly...

Just saying... not trying to start any flame here especially with guys from 
whom I've already learned a lot.

On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 4:54:10 PM UTC Mark S. wrote:

>
>
> On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 8:02:46 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 7:18:47 AM UTC-7, André Carvalho wrote:
>>>
>>> There is, at least, a violation of good-faith and a right of accessing 
>>> my data under EU law that I'll exercise if there is no other solution.
>>>
>>
>> In keeping with the "I'm not a lawyer but I play one on the Internet" 
>> theme...
>>
>>
> Continuing your "not a lawyer" theme, DH is a California company, so it's 
> likely EU laws won't apply. Even Prop 24 doesn't seem to provide "data 
> guaranteed" rights.
>
> Having read the Wikipedia page, I'm really hoping this is just a fluke. 
> They went to bat to fight for their customer's privacy rights, moving them 
> into the "good guy" category. Of course, maybe they wrote the wikipedia 
> page ;-)
>
>

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[tw5] Re: How do I use GitHub Saver?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

This is just a guess, but I would try loading index.html or any file via 
the Github interface to your target directory (either / or /wiki/) . It 
might be that until you make the first entry in github there is no there 
"there", so you get a 404.

On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 2:38:23 AM UTC-7, Hiran Venugopalan wrote:
>
> Hi, 
>
> I tried this. But I am getting a XMLHttpRequest error code: 404
> I have given username, PAT, repository, branch, path and file. But this is 
> the error I am seeing. 
> On refresh, it shows default value + PAT stored, but everything else is 
> shown empty.
>
> Attaching screenshot. 
>
> On Thursday, October 17, 2019 at 12:05:25 AM UTC+5:30 Mark S. wrote:
>
>> Is your path to target file (e.g. /wiki/) filled in?
>>
>> When I tried it, I found that *something* has to go in that box, even if 
>> it's just the root "/"
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 16, 2019 at 11:32:15 AM UTC-7, leeand00 wrote:
>>>
>>> I put in the password, my account name, the repository, the branch 
>>> etc...and when I click save, it still saves to my desktop and not GitHub.
>>>
>>> I don't want to use any of that 2 factor auth stuff, that's overkill.
>>>
>>> Is there another setting I have to change (in TW5 or my browser to get 
>>> that to work)?
>>>
>>> It sounds like a really great feature.
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Lightweight diagrams (e.g. concept maps)?

[Victor Dorneanu]

Hi,

there is also PlantUML: http://tobibeer.github.io/tw5-plugins/#plantuml

I've used this for some proof-of-concept I was doing:
https://tiddly.info/serverless#about

KR, 
Victor 

On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 1:08:57 AM UTC+1 Sean Boyle wrote:

> Pinging this topic again.  It appears that diagramming plugins come, then 
> are abandoned.  I have taken to using graphviz (viz plugin) and it works 
> reasonably well (only a bit quirky) and if there were some reasonable ways 
> of adding symbols for creating graphs such as flowchart, CORAS, BPMN, 
> sequence, communication diagrams, it would fulfill 90% of my needs.  Having 
> said that, are there any efforts out there for incorporating lightweight 
> graphing with extensible symbol sets, or diagramming?
>
> On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 2:00:59 PM UTC-7 Sean Boyle wrote:
>
>> I found that sequence diagrammes seem to copy / paste, but DAG and GANTT 
>> do not.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 1:44:16 PM UTC-7, Sean Boyle wrote:
>>>
>>> My workaround is to use the online editor: 
>>> https://mermaidjs.github.io/mermaid-live-editor/#/edit/eyJjb2RlIjoiZ3JhcGggVERcbkFbQ2hyaXN0bWFzXSAtLT58R2V0IG1vbmV5fCBCKEdvIHNob3BwaW5nKVxuQiAtLT4gQ3tMZXQgbWUgdGhpbmt9XG5DIC0tPnxPbmV8IERbTGFwdG9wXVxuQyAtLT58VHdvfCBFW2lQaG9uZV1cbkMgLS0-fFRocmVlfCBGW0Nhcl1cbiIsIm1lcm1haWQiOnsidGhlbWUiOiJkZWZhdWx0In19
>>>  , 
>>> save as SVG, import to TW, and transclude.  That seems to work OK for 
>>> copy/paste to other windows.  It does seem to be a problem for other 
>>> graphical stuff, like railroad diagrams.
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 4:39:51 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:

 Ciao Sean

 I agree that Mermaid for TiddlyWiki is good. Its simple plain text 
 syntax is excellent and fits TW editing style very well. 

 Regarding the non-printability. That is a known issue with that type of 
 graphic rendering. I'm not sure that its easily fixable. The way I get 
 round it if I need to print a Mermaid diagram is to take a screen capture 
 save as a file and link to that image in the TW. Its too laborious a 
 method 
 for other than occasional use, but a work-around for limited cases.

 You are right: looks like its been basically abandoned. Part of the 
 issue is I think the author probably concluded that no one was interested. 
 He has other good graphic tools that equally haven't got much notice.

 As far as I can see it needs a bit of tweeking -- one issue I sometimes 
 encountered was getting the text to fit properly. But the core is there 
 and 
 functional.

 As far as getting the plugin revised. I dunno. I don't have skill for 
 that. Its a good tool so maybe in time interest to revisit it will grow?

 Best wishes
 Josiah

>>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: How do I use GitHub Saver?

[Hiran Venugopalan]

Hi,

I followed GithubUsername/RepostioryName format only.
(https://github.com/hfactor/hfactor.github.io is my repository. and I used
hfactor/hfactor.github.io)
I then moved it to a folder and added /wiki/. but still got the same error.


On Fri, 30 Oct 2020 at 15:53, Saq Imtiaz  wrote:

> At first glance the repository name could be off.
> It should be:
> GithubUsername/RepostioryName
>
> So for https://github.com/saqimtiaz/streams it is:
> saqimtiaz/streams
>
>
> On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 10:38:23 AM UTC+1, Hiran Venugopalan wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I tried this. But I am getting a XMLHttpRequest error code: 404
>> I have given username, PAT, repository, branch, path and file. But this
>> is the error I am seeing.
>> On refresh, it shows default value + PAT stored, but everything else is
>> shown empty.
>>
>> Attaching screenshot.
>>
>> On Thursday, October 17, 2019 at 12:05:25 AM UTC+5:30 Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>> Is your path to target file (e.g. /wiki/) filled in?
>>>
>>> When I tried it, I found that *something* has to go in that box, even if
>>> it's just the root "/"
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 16, 2019 at 11:32:15 AM UTC-7, leeand00 wrote:

 I put in the password, my account name, the repository, the branch
 etc...and when I click save, it still saves to my desktop and not GitHub.

 I don't want to use any of that 2 factor auth stuff, that's overkill.

 Is there another setting I have to change (in TW5 or my browser to get
 that to work)?

 It sounds like a really great feature.

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[Jed Carty]

It isn't ready yet, but my plan is to get the secure server version of Bob 
set up as something like an alternative to tiddlyspot.
There is a lot of work to do before it is ready for public use. My brother 
and I have been using it for Ooktech work for over a year, but we are able 
to set everything up manually.

The main problem is that I need to update the login part and that there 
isn't any UI for adding new accounts or setting up access controls to 
individual wikis.

Another problem is that I have no desire to manage a system like that. I 
think that it would work best as a community project that takes donations 
to cover server costs and maybe paying a person/some people to spend a few 
hours a month doing maintenance.

I don't know if it would fill exactly the same need as tiddlyspot, but it 
could help if there is interest.

On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 9:06:44 AM UTC+1 Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 10:54:01 PM UTC-7, AndrewMc wrote:
>>
>> is there an equivalent way to download TW classic (2.x) wikis?
>>
>
> Prior to the recent TiddlySpot crisis, the normal way to download a copy 
> of your TiddlySpot
> was to go to http://yoursite.tiddlyspot.com/download
>
> However, the download link is not currently available.
>
> As a work-around:
>
> 1) open your TiddlySpot (e.g., http://yoursite.tiddlyspot.com)
> 2) create a new tiddler containing:
> [[click me|http://yoursite.tiddlyspot.com]]
> 3) *right click* on the "click me" link that is displayed
> 4) Choose "Save link as..."
> 5) If your browser is set to "always ask where to save", then you can 
> choose a local folder and enter a destination filename
>
> Note that "save link as..." is not the same function as "save as..."
>
> -e
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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Static --render command and "tv-get-export-link/path"

[superspeeder]

I've also been wondering how to do this, more examples in the --render 
documentation would be very helpful!

On Saturday, September 12, 2020 at 10:08:02 PM UTC+3 bmad...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I have been using the tiddlywiki --rendertiddlers command to render the 
> tiddlers for my static website. Since the --rendertiddlers is depreciated 
> in favour of --render, I have been trying to make the transition as well. 
>
> However, the render command doesnt encode the filenames using 
> tv-get-export-link or tv-get-export-path by default. The internal links are 
> still getting encoded properly.
>
> This works perfectly:
> tiddlywiki --rendertiddlers '[!is[system]]' adithyab/website/base . 
> text/plain
>
> This doesnt format the filenames at all:
> tiddlywiki --render "[!is[system]]" "[is[tiddler]addsuffix[.html]]" 
> text/plain adithyab/website/base
>
> How to get the --render command to use the tv-get-export-path/link macros?
> Thanks for helping.
> Adithya
>

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[tw5] Re: Concerns from a non-tech newbie

[Keelan Cook]

Ivan, 

It sounds like we're in a very similar boat. I work in academics, and I've 
recently started using TiddlyWiki for its strengths in networked thought 
and open source nature. I know very little about coding, so I've had many 
of the same questions you're asking. Currently, I'm using a single-file 
wiki (not a node version with individual files), and it's working very well 
for me at this point.

My primary use case is academic research. In specific collecting notes on 
research and then connecting and compiling those notes in a way that allows 
me to outline, draft, and eventually write up new scholarship. That means 
tons of notes and specifically a mountain of PDFs. I have found TiddlyWiki 
to be excellent at connecting, compiling, outlining, and even drafting. I 
then export my finished articles to another tool for printing or publishing.

I believe your notes are more future-proof in a TiddlyWiki than they are in 
most other note-taking tools. It's been mentioned in other comments so far, 
but an HTML file is essentially a text file than can be human readable even 
if the unthinkable happened and there was a wholesale shift away from 
browsers reading HTML to render websites. Futhermore, it really seems 
unthinkable for HTML and browsers that read it to go away. From my limited 
understanding they appear to be the backbone of the (frontend of the) 
internet. I use a Chromebook personally and more and more it seems 
computers are really just gateways to connect us to the internet to do 
everything. So, I think we're safe with HTML documents for a very long time.

As for PDFs, this is a real concern you need to consider. It's been said 
above already, but you don't want to store the PDFs in the wiki itself. I 
have several thousand notes in my single-file wiki currently, and it runs 
just fine. But, none of those notes are embedded images and files, and I 
did that on purpose based on the wise counsel of this group. Instead, I've 
chosen to use a reference manager to house my PDF files and link to them or 
reference them by citation. It works well for me, and it keeps the wiki 
running smooth. I use Paperpile  as my reference 
manager. It indexes all of my PDF articles and any books or other sources I 
use in my research. It also has it's own PDF annotation tools, so I read 
and annotate my PDFs in Paperpile and then export any notes I want to make 
more "permanent" in my research to TiddlyWiki. I upload the PDF to 
Paperpile and it stores it in my Google Drive, so I still maintain control 
of the actual file. This also creates a shareable link to the PDF itself. 
You can link to the file that way in TiddlyWiki.

In addition, I use two plugins that facilitate this process. The first is 
the bibtex plugin you can find in the main plugin library for TiddlyWiki. 
It allows you to export a bibtex (bibliography file) from your reference 
manager and upload it to TiddlyWiki in a way that parses out all of the 
sources and creates a reference tiddler for every book or article. Then, I 
use the refnotes plugin  to easily cite 
these sources in my other notes. The refnotes plugin works in the 
background to compile a works cited for projects I'm drafting and allows me 
to easily cite references on my notes so I know where they originated. 

Paperpile is not the only reference manager out there. Zotero 
 and Mendeley  are 
probably the two most popular, and they share most of this functionality I 
just mentioned. But I really like the combined ability of using a good 
reference manager with the power of TiddlyWiki.

Hope that helps you think through options some. I've spent the better part 
of this year thinking through all of this myself, and this is where I 
landed.

Good luck!
On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 5:23:33 PM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote:

> Ivan,
>
> Welcome to the infinite universe of TiddlyWiki.
>
> I will just add to the above comments, that out of the box tiddlywiki 
> single file is enough for most users however if you add a lot of imbedded 
> files and media it all must load into memory. 
> If you have a lot to add and you know it will get big, use some of the 
> recommended approaches, however it is easy to migrate your data to a new 
> wiki later so I recommend just getting started and see if the other aspects 
> meet with your needs (it should, as tiddlywiki is a platform and very 
> flexible). 
>
> Please provide a link to obsidian or some features so we can respond.
>
> For TiddlyWiki open on different windows at the same the best answer is 
> Bob and Bobexe  for your 
> local computer or the Local Area Network with a team, make sure you 
> configure backups.
>
> It is wise to consider your exit strategy, in fact that was a key reason I 
> moved to tiddlywiki, Tiddlywiki is based on technologies which are less 
> likely to fade in 

[tw5] Autoclose feature. Max 10 recent open tiddlers.

[Shareda]

Hello! Maybe someone knows some plugin doing something like this. If there 
are 10 tiddlers already open then the first one is closed automatically  
when navigating to the 11th one. 

As I understand there should be navigate history and the navigate event to 
do that.  
Now I found the LinkCatcherWidget. But I'm not sure where I can get the 
list of recent navigations. Does anyone know that? Or how i can get that 
list from 

If I get it then I plan to 
1. Place the LinkCatcherWidget to the PageTemplate with
2. Filter [rest[10]] tiddlers
3. Apply WidgetMessage: tm-close-tiddler.

Is this a good plan?
 
That would be super great to forget about finding and closing old tiddlers.

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[tw5] Re: [ Streams ] : feedback and issues

[arun babu]

@Saq, 
Is there any way to use the floating editor you had shown in this link (
https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/floating-menu.html#config:config%20%5B%5BDraft%20of%20'RikerIpsum'%5D%5D)
 
within a streams tiddler ?
I could make it work only in the default editor, not in the streams tiddler.

On Sunday, October 25, 2020 at 3:42:09 AM UTC+5:30 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Bop
>
> Using tags to reflect relationships is contrary to the design decisions in 
> Streams. I am not familiar with TiddlyMap but I assume tw-list expects a 
> title list, in which a title with spaces would cause issues. I suggest 
> checking if TiddlyMap supports a different edge type that treat the entire 
> field value as a tiddler title. Does tw-title or tw-field exist?
>
> As for Stories, that plugin was made available specifically for Stroll and 
> I am not able to provide support for it beyond that specific configuration.
>
> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 12:01:57 AM UTC+2, 波普 wrote:
>>
>> Hi Saq,
>>
>> I added a new edge-type "tw-list: parent" in order to display the 
>> connections of streams in the tiddlymap, but the tiddlymap does not support 
>> spaces in the field, and if there are spaces in the title, the correct 
>> connections cannot be displayed. 
>>
>> Can you make the parent field automatically add a tag so that tiddlymap 
>> can correctly identify the title with spaces?  
>>
>> Regards, 
>> Bop 
>>
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[tw5] Re: How do I use GitHub Saver?

[Saq Imtiaz]

At first glance the repository name could be off.
It should be: 
GithubUsername/RepostioryName

So for https://github.com/saqimtiaz/streams it is:
saqimtiaz/streams


On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 10:38:23 AM UTC+1, Hiran Venugopalan wrote:
>
> Hi, 
>
> I tried this. But I am getting a XMLHttpRequest error code: 404
> I have given username, PAT, repository, branch, path and file. But this is 
> the error I am seeing. 
> On refresh, it shows default value + PAT stored, but everything else is 
> shown empty.
>
> Attaching screenshot. 
>
> On Thursday, October 17, 2019 at 12:05:25 AM UTC+5:30 Mark S. wrote:
>
>> Is your path to target file (e.g. /wiki/) filled in?
>>
>> When I tried it, I found that *something* has to go in that box, even if 
>> it's just the root "/"
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 16, 2019 at 11:32:15 AM UTC-7, leeand00 wrote:
>>>
>>> I put in the password, my account name, the repository, the branch 
>>> etc...and when I click save, it still saves to my desktop and not GitHub.
>>>
>>> I don't want to use any of that 2 factor auth stuff, that's overkill.
>>>
>>> Is there another setting I have to change (in TW5 or my browser to get 
>>> that to work)?
>>>
>>> It sounds like a really great feature.
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Detect if sidebar breakpoint is reached

[Shareda]

TW Tones, thank you! I've found out the same but I don't understand how i 
should get the page width, how I assign it to the variable available for 
tiddler wikitext.

пятница, 30 октября 2020 г. в 04:30:48 UTC+6, TW Tones: 

> Shareda,
>
> The trick is to find out how tiddlywiki already does it, and do similar.
>
>- See here https://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2FControlPanel
>- and $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/metrics/sidebarbreakpoint which 
>sets the break point
>- Then search 
>for $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/metrics/sidebarbreakpoint in the advanced 
>search system and shadows tabs.
>- Then we find its in the $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/base which 
>means its theme dependant
>- This is possible all in the Page Template and uses standard html/css 
>but you could just use the value in 
>$:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/metrics/sidebarbreakpoint if you want 
>depending on what you are trying to achieve.
>
> Tones
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, 30 October 2020 06:47:00 UTC+11, Shareda wrote:
>>
>> Hello! I'm using JD's Mobile Layout. The sidebar does not hide when I 
>> click any navigate button, e.g. navigating to AdvancedSearch or my custom 
>> buttons.
>>
>> I would like to use ActionSetFieldWidget inside of my buttons to hide the 
>> sidebar if the breakpoint is reached. *How should I detect this 
>> condition?*
>>
>> JD's Mob uses *Sidebar Breakpoint* set at *Control Panel *and standard 
>> top bar buttons to show or hide the sidebar, so I think my question is 
>> about common tiddlywiki features.
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Refnotes/Bibtex modification?

[Keelan Cook]

Of course. It didn't cross my mind to make the edit to the preview plugin 
itself instead of changing the refnotes plugin.

Worked like a charm. That was a simple and elegant solution. I will also 
reach out to the author and make that suggestion. Seems like a wise idea.


On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 2:32:32 PM UTC-5 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

> Keelan,
>
> I think the best solution for your needs it to customize the template for 
> the popup to use the template from the refnotes plugin.
>
> Edit the tiddler $:/plugins/tobibeer/preview/template so it has the 
> following content
>
> 
>
> !!! <$link>{{!!title}}
> {{||$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/tags}}
> {{||$:/plugins/sq/streams/breadcrumbs-view-template}}
>
> {{!!text}}
> {{||$:/plugins/sq/streams/stream-view-template}}
> {{||$:/plugins/kebi/tiddlyresearch-references/filters}}
> {{||$:/plugins/kookma/refnotes/viewtemplate/bibtex}}
> 
>
> The highlighted line is what we are adding.
> Perhaps make a suggestion to the TiddlyResearch author to make the popup 
> template customizable via tags.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Saq
>
>

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[tw5] command line backup

[amreus]

Quick command line backup:

> curl http://yoursite.tiddlyspot.com > yoursite.html

curl is available on most operating systems by default, including Windows.


On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 4:06:44 AM UTC-4 Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 10:54:01 PM UTC-7, AndrewMc wrote:
>>
>> is there an equivalent way to download TW classic (2.x) wikis?
>>
>
> Prior to the recent TiddlySpot crisis, the normal way to download a copy 
> of your TiddlySpot
> was to go to http://yoursite.tiddlyspot.com/download
>
> However, the download link is not currently available.
>
> As a work-around:
>
> 1) open your TiddlySpot (e.g., http://yoursite.tiddlyspot.com)
> 2) create a new tiddler containing:
> [[click me|http://yoursite.tiddlyspot.com]]
> 3) *right click* on the "click me" link that is displayed
> 4) Choose "Save link as..."
> 5) If your browser is set to "always ask where to save", then you can 
> choose a local folder and enter a destination filename
>
> Note that "save link as..." is not the same function as "save as..."
>
> -e
>

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[tw5] Re: so: personal DreamHost for TW users?

[Eric Shulman]

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 10:54:01 PM UTC-7, AndrewMc wrote:
>
> is there an equivalent way to download TW classic (2.x) wikis?
>

Prior to the recent TiddlySpot crisis, the normal way to download a copy of 
your TiddlySpot
was to go to http://yoursite.tiddlyspot.com/download

However, the download link is not currently available.

As a work-around:

1) open your TiddlySpot (e.g., http://yoursite.tiddlyspot.com)
2) create a new tiddler containing:
[[click me|http://yoursite.tiddlyspot.com]]
3) *right click* on the "click me" link that is displayed
4) Choose "Save link as..."
5) If your browser is set to "always ask where to save", then you can 
choose a local folder and enter a destination filename

Note that "save link as..." is not the same function as "save as..."

-e

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[tw5] Re: TW 5.1.23 and Tones of New Features

[TW Tones]

This is what I do to edit a previous reply

[image: Snag_2a293269.png]


Tones


On Friday, 30 October 2020 14:14:51 UTC+11, Atronoush wrote:
>
> Thank you Tones!
> In google group, there is a three dots at the right edge and I cannot see 
> a button let me edit the subject/content of a post has been sent to the 
> group! By the way I appreciate if you kindly explain me how you edit such a 
> posts.
>
> Thank you again
> -- Atro
>
> On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 1:25:57 AM UTC+3:30 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Atronoush,
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 30 October 2020 04:16:48 UTC+11, Atronoush wrote:
>>>
>>> When the message is posted, there is no way to edit and correct!
>>> It is tons! Thank you for correcting me!
>>>
>>
>> As the original poster you can edit your post, not only that if you look 
>> carefully, there is a separate link to edit subject. 
>>
>> This is Tones Speaking of course, we Australians write tonne
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Tones
>>
>

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[tw5] What is the science of thinking?

[bimlas]

I apologize for writing to the group lately on philosophical topics, but a 
note-taking software isn’t worth much if the notes in it aren’t effective 
enough. I try to understand the process of thinking and adapt the workflow 
to it as needed, either by writing new plugins or by making more useful use 
of existing options.

With Zettelkasten, I understood why it is important to create a second 
brain, and the book Sonke Ahrens: How to Take Smart Notes highlighted that 
it is not only important but essential because we are thinking through 
writing. He talked a lot about how the brain works, how we can regulate 
ourselves, why rules and consistency are important.

Bret Victor’s almost every performance, but most of all Inventing on 
Principle , made me understand that in order to 
create something radically new, you have to completely forget what you 
currently know about the world (it is a must-see for any philosophical 
person, even if the basic topic is software development). Dare to think 
freely, as this was done by all those who ultimately changed the world 
(e.g., Einstein kicked Newton in the ass).

These encouraged me to think about the process of thinking itself. Is there 
a science of thoughts? Would that be the philosophy?

Can similar rules be drawn on thoughts as well, e.g. mathematical formulas, 
or program design patterns. Is it possible to standardize the way of 
thinking even with formulas? Is it possible to refactor thoughts? Can they 
be grouped (as integers, irrational numbers, etc.)?

Can thoughts be measurable, can they be quantified? Do thoughts have 
properties (such as time, importance of tasks)? If so, mathematical 
formulas can be used on them, they can be represented with a UML diagram, 
they can be arranged in a row, set theory can be applied on them.

I don’t think I’m the first to come up with these thoughts, so I’m asking 
you scientists what the name of this science is?

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[tw5] Re: TW for Digital Garden

[Hiran Venugopalan]

In fact I tried adding things to some TWs, (like the official one) to know 
it works and got this idea ! 
This is gold! The more I read and do testing of TW,  I undertand how 
stunning this product is! 

On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 11:57:24 AM UTC+5:30 Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 10:03:48 PM UTC-7, Hiran Venugopalan 
> wrote:
>>
>> What I am looking for is some ways to set an ACL / OAuth / Password based 
>> login, that makes sure everyone can read my public data - but can't 
>> vandalise it.
>>
>
> By default, when your TiddlyWiki document is posted on-line anyone can 
> read it, and they can edit it, and download it (with any changes they've 
> made), but they can't *save* it on-line unless you've installed specific 
> scripts on the server or are using hosting such as GitHub Pages... and even 
> then, they'd need your ID and Password / OAuth / AccessToken, which is only 
> stored in *your* browser (using Local Storage), which permits *you* to save 
> changes online without re-entering your ID and PW, but won't let anyone 
> else save online.
>
> For example, "Inside TiddlyWiki" (http://TiddlyTools.com/InsideTW/) can 
> be viewed by anyone, but only I can change the online version.
>
> Note: Inside TiddlyWiki also has a custom-built "locked/unlock" toggle 
> that, by default, hides the admin/editing functions to give a simplified 
> "read-only" experience; however, even when "unlocked", visitors cannot 
> *save* back to the online copy.
>
> -e
>

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[tw5] Re: TW for Digital Garden

[Eric Shulman]

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 10:03:48 PM UTC-7, Hiran Venugopalan wrote:
>
> What I am looking for is some ways to set an ACL / OAuth / Password based 
> login, that makes sure everyone can read my public data - but can't 
> vandalise it.
>

By default, when your TiddlyWiki document is posted on-line anyone can read 
it, and they can edit it, and download it (with any changes they've made), 
but they can't *save* it on-line unless you've installed specific scripts 
on the server or are using hosting such as GitHub Pages... and even then, 
they'd need your ID and Password / OAuth / AccessToken, which is only 
stored in *your* browser (using Local Storage), which permits *you* to save 
changes online without re-entering your ID and PW, but won't let anyone 
else save online.

For example, "Inside TiddlyWiki" (http://TiddlyTools.com/InsideTW/) can be 
viewed by anyone, but only I can change the online version.

Note: Inside TiddlyWiki also has a custom-built "locked/unlock" toggle 
that, by default, hides the admin/editing functions to give a simplified 
"read-only" experience; however, even when "unlocked", visitors cannot 
*save* back to the online copy.

-e

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