[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki best practices

[TW Tones]

Fol;ks,

I can't put the full solution together yet, insufficient time for off topic 
work, however I have the components to extract the contents of any 
arbitrary html tags. Not known by too many is that html with all its   
   etc.. is you can use any name and using css 
give it many of the qualities from almost any other html tag. With a little 
wikitext management and regex you can subsequently extract these and their 
content from any tiddler containing them, even post render with additional 
tricks. 

With the customise project and Mario and TT this can be turned into a 
custom wiki text also. 

My point is some nice solutions will be along soon to handle managing 
content into excerpts/quoted passages, references and footnotes and more. 

Regards
Tones

On Tuesday, 1 December 2020 at 06:05:16 UTC+11 springer wrote:

> Manish,
>
> I gave a more  specific answer over in your thread about books and quotes 
> management, since it seems that thread is a better home for detailed 
> discussion of how to handle excerpts/quoted passages.
>
> I'll do a bit more, over at that thread, to clarify what the structure 
> looks like, and why...
>
> Here's that thread: 
> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/Zewezsh2hcU/m/8SOGWrN1AgAJ
>
> -Springer
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 10:11:33 AM UTC-5 manishm...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Springer 
>> Thank you for your detailed response. I read about the Dynamic Table 
>> feature and am learning to incorporate it. 
>>
>> If I can re-frame my predicament:  Say, I read 50 books in a year. Now, I 
>> have 50 tiddlers in which the notes, bullet points and 2-3 quotes/excerpts 
>> are included in each. 
>> Is it possible for me view all the 100-150 quotes in one tiddler? 
>>
>> The code which I'm using for the quotes within the tiddler is:
>> <<<.tc-big-quote
>> [[Quotes]] 
>> It is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. But perhaps there 
>> is a key. That key is National Interest 
>>
>> <<>
>> When I search 'quotes', what i get is a list of 50 Book title tiddlers 
>> which isnt very helpful. It's also awkward to tag every tiddler with 
>> 'Quotes'
>>
>>
>> Would be grateful for your comments. 
>>
>> Regards
>> Manish
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 29 November, 2020 at 1:46:18 am UTC+5:30 springer wrote:
>>
>>> Manish, there are different ways to think about organizing quotes.
>>>
>>> If I had been working in Tiddlywiki all along, I'd probably set up each 
>>> excerpt as its own tiddler, putting only the actual excerpt in the body of 
>>> the tiddler and using fields for various citation details such as author, 
>>> title, page, meta-title (journal or enclosing book), notes. I'd tag each 
>>> one with "excerpt" and use an excerpt-specific template to make each 
>>> excerpt display with the relevant fields as desired. Then I would use a 
>>> dynamic table for any desired "slice" of tiddlers (filtered based on a 
>>> certain source, or a certain author, or with a certain word or keyword, 
>>> whatever). If you're starting fresh with TiddlyWiki, I recommend this 
>>> granular approach. A tiddler should generally be the smallest informational 
>>> unit that is of interest to you and/or your audience.
>>>
>>> In my own case, I had already developed (starting in the 1990s) a 
>>> full-fledged database of research- and teaching-related excerpts using the 
>>> FileMaker database app (which was my software brain prior to TiddlyWiki, 
>>> and still handles most of my document-generation tasks). And my main use 
>>> for excerpts in TiddlyWiki was to organize the excerpts for each particular 
>>> reading, for access during classroom discussion. (It was easy for me to get 
>>> FileMaker to "dress" the excerpts up with various bits of syntax and bundle 
>>> them in sets based on my usual teaching needs. At the time (duing TW 
>>> Classic times) it was easier to copy and paste large sets; I didn't know 
>>> how to import a whole array.) So, I batch-generated an excerpt set for each 
>>> class session, using a combination of <$details> formatting (using 
>>> telmiger's plugin, referenced earlier in this thread) and 
>>> quotation-graphics css. The result, for each chapter or article, is a 
>>> neat-looking "accordion" array of quotes, where the summary for each 
>>> excerpt includes a "teaser" phrase and page number, and the drop-down 
>>> allows us to expand passages of interest as needed during discussion. You 
>>> can hit "edit" within an excerpt-oriented tiddler to see what the guts look 
>>> like: 
>>> https://springerspandrel.github.io/tw/ethicsatwes.html#Arisotle%201%20excerpts
>>>  
>>> ...  But again, the reason I didn't take a "granular" approach (one tiddler 
>>> per excerpt) is idiosyncratic, and I don't recommend emulating this aspect 
>>> of my site organization!
>>>
>>> I believe some other folks here have actually developed a full-fledged 
>>> biblio tool for tiddlywiki. In particular, if you haven't seen it yet, 
>>> check out Mohammad's Refnotes plugin: 

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki best practices

[springer]

Manish,

I gave a more  specific answer over in your thread about books and quotes 
management, since it seems that thread is a better home for detailed 
discussion of how to handle excerpts/quoted passages.

I'll do a bit more, over at that thread, to clarify what the structure 
looks like, and why...

Here's that 
thread: https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/Zewezsh2hcU/m/8SOGWrN1AgAJ

-Springer
On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 10:11:33 AM UTC-5 manishm...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Dear Springer 
> Thank you for your detailed response. I read about the Dynamic Table 
> feature and am learning to incorporate it. 
>
> If I can re-frame my predicament:  Say, I read 50 books in a year. Now, I 
> have 50 tiddlers in which the notes, bullet points and 2-3 quotes/excerpts 
> are included in each. 
> Is it possible for me view all the 100-150 quotes in one tiddler? 
>
> The code which I'm using for the quotes within the tiddler is:
> <<<.tc-big-quote
> [[Quotes]] 
> It is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. But perhaps there is 
> a key. That key is National Interest 
>
> <<
> When I search 'quotes', what i get is a list of 50 Book title tiddlers 
> which isnt very helpful. It's also awkward to tag every tiddler with 
> 'Quotes'
>
>
> Would be grateful for your comments. 
>
> Regards
> Manish
>
>
> On Sunday, 29 November, 2020 at 1:46:18 am UTC+5:30 springer wrote:
>
>> Manish, there are different ways to think about organizing quotes.
>>
>> If I had been working in Tiddlywiki all along, I'd probably set up each 
>> excerpt as its own tiddler, putting only the actual excerpt in the body of 
>> the tiddler and using fields for various citation details such as author, 
>> title, page, meta-title (journal or enclosing book), notes. I'd tag each 
>> one with "excerpt" and use an excerpt-specific template to make each 
>> excerpt display with the relevant fields as desired. Then I would use a 
>> dynamic table for any desired "slice" of tiddlers (filtered based on a 
>> certain source, or a certain author, or with a certain word or keyword, 
>> whatever). If you're starting fresh with TiddlyWiki, I recommend this 
>> granular approach. A tiddler should generally be the smallest informational 
>> unit that is of interest to you and/or your audience.
>>
>> In my own case, I had already developed (starting in the 1990s) a 
>> full-fledged database of research- and teaching-related excerpts using the 
>> FileMaker database app (which was my software brain prior to TiddlyWiki, 
>> and still handles most of my document-generation tasks). And my main use 
>> for excerpts in TiddlyWiki was to organize the excerpts for each particular 
>> reading, for access during classroom discussion. (It was easy for me to get 
>> FileMaker to "dress" the excerpts up with various bits of syntax and bundle 
>> them in sets based on my usual teaching needs. At the time (duing TW 
>> Classic times) it was easier to copy and paste large sets; I didn't know 
>> how to import a whole array.) So, I batch-generated an excerpt set for each 
>> class session, using a combination of <$details> formatting (using 
>> telmiger's plugin, referenced earlier in this thread) and 
>> quotation-graphics css. The result, for each chapter or article, is a 
>> neat-looking "accordion" array of quotes, where the summary for each 
>> excerpt includes a "teaser" phrase and page number, and the drop-down 
>> allows us to expand passages of interest as needed during discussion. You 
>> can hit "edit" within an excerpt-oriented tiddler to see what the guts look 
>> like: 
>> https://springerspandrel.github.io/tw/ethicsatwes.html#Arisotle%201%20excerpts
>>  
>> ...  But again, the reason I didn't take a "granular" approach (one tiddler 
>> per excerpt) is idiosyncratic, and I don't recommend emulating this aspect 
>> of my site organization!
>>
>> I believe some other folks here have actually developed a full-fledged 
>> biblio tool for tiddlywiki. In particular, if you haven't seen it yet, 
>> check out Mohammad's Refnotes plugin: https://kookma.github.io/Refnotes/
>>
>> -Springer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 12:34:33 PM UTC-5 manishm...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Springer
>>> I have no coding knowledge and have been exploring a way to collate 
>>> quotes and excerpts. 
>>> Would it be possible to educate me on the way you have listed the 
>>> Excerpts in your tiddlywiki. Or could you please direct me to some links 
>>> that explain the process. 
>>> Thanks a ton
>>>
>>> Manish
>>>
>>> On Friday, 27 November, 2020 at 1:27:15 am UTC+5:30 springer wrote:
>>>
 Cl0d, exactly what I find marvelous about TiddlyWiki is how much it can 
 be molded to very different purposes. I maintain different TW5 projects 
 for 
 different purposes, with different plugin sets and other customizations 
 suited to the purposes of each project. 

 Two things that I suspect I do more than most people are:

 (1) Make a 

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki best practices

[David Gifford]

Hi

This question is really hard to answer. You might see my 
https://giffmex.org/gifts/documenting.tw.html as an attempt to answer that 
question!

Essential, non-negotiable plugins for me: Relink, edit-comptext, 
link-to-tab, the bi-directional linking from Stroll, also these fixes:
https://giffmex.org/gifts/documenting.tw.html#Control%20what%20is%20visible%20in%20edit%20mode,
 

https://giffmex.org/gifts/documenting.tw.html#Tag%20editor%20dropdown

Essential fixes to control panel: Zoomin story view, turn off CamelCase.

I usually hide the viewtemplate/tags and viewtemplate/subtitle to free up 
vertical real estate.

I have recently been enjoying tw-admin plugin and the official Freelinks 
plugin, too.

This weekend I created a New Tab Here button that is already 
revolutionizing the way I take notes on reading. I posted about it here the 
other day. I hope to create a "Stroll premium" or soemthing like that, 
complete with video tutorial, by January. 


On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 1:06:10 PM UTC-6 Cl0d wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> Been using TiddlyWiki for a few weeks now. I'm still learning how to cope 
> with the enormous potential offered by TiddlyWiki.
>
> For example, I discovered today that it was possible to create a dynamic 
> table of content using keywords. 
>
> So I was wondering, what are your best practices, or let's say, advices, 
> for using TiddlyWiki ? How does your "basic wiki" look like ? What plugins 
> and/or custom features do you use ? 
>
> I'm still in a transitional phase, meaning that I'm writing my new notes 
> in TiddlyWiki to get used to it and I'm at the same time trying to discover 
> new tools to organize my future wiki's in the best way possible.
>
> Thanks in advance for every answer.
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki best practices

[Manish Mohandas]

@Cl0d, I picked this from a tiddler that I saw online. I cant remember 
where. It makes the quote stand out well in the tiddler. :)

On Monday, 30 November, 2020 at 10:50:06 pm UTC+5:30 Cl0d wrote:

> @Manish : I'm in the same case and I plan to transfer all my notes on a TW 
> file. What you're using for quotes, is that from the same plugins we've 
> talked about in the posts above ?
>
> On Monday, 30 November 2020 at 16:11:33 UTC+1 manishm...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Dear Springer 
>> Thank you for your detailed response. I read about the Dynamic Table 
>> feature and am learning to incorporate it. 
>>
>> If I can re-frame my predicament:  Say, I read 50 books in a year. Now, I 
>> have 50 tiddlers in which the notes, bullet points and 2-3 quotes/excerpts 
>> are included in each. 
>> Is it possible for me view all the 100-150 quotes in one tiddler? 
>>
>> The code which I'm using for the quotes within the tiddler is:
>> <<<.tc-big-quote
>> [[Quotes]] 
>> It is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. But perhaps there 
>> is a key. That key is National Interest 
>>
>> <<>
>> When I search 'quotes', what i get is a list of 50 Book title tiddlers 
>> which isnt very helpful. It's also awkward to tag every tiddler with 
>> 'Quotes'
>>
>>
>> Would be grateful for your comments. 
>>
>> Regards
>> Manish
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 29 November, 2020 at 1:46:18 am UTC+5:30 springer wrote:
>>
>>> Manish, there are different ways to think about organizing quotes.
>>>
>>> If I had been working in Tiddlywiki all along, I'd probably set up each 
>>> excerpt as its own tiddler, putting only the actual excerpt in the body of 
>>> the tiddler and using fields for various citation details such as author, 
>>> title, page, meta-title (journal or enclosing book), notes. I'd tag each 
>>> one with "excerpt" and use an excerpt-specific template to make each 
>>> excerpt display with the relevant fields as desired. Then I would use a 
>>> dynamic table for any desired "slice" of tiddlers (filtered based on a 
>>> certain source, or a certain author, or with a certain word or keyword, 
>>> whatever). If you're starting fresh with TiddlyWiki, I recommend this 
>>> granular approach. A tiddler should generally be the smallest informational 
>>> unit that is of interest to you and/or your audience.
>>>
>>> In my own case, I had already developed (starting in the 1990s) a 
>>> full-fledged database of research- and teaching-related excerpts using the 
>>> FileMaker database app (which was my software brain prior to TiddlyWiki, 
>>> and still handles most of my document-generation tasks). And my main use 
>>> for excerpts in TiddlyWiki was to organize the excerpts for each particular 
>>> reading, for access during classroom discussion. (It was easy for me to get 
>>> FileMaker to "dress" the excerpts up with various bits of syntax and bundle 
>>> them in sets based on my usual teaching needs. At the time (duing TW 
>>> Classic times) it was easier to copy and paste large sets; I didn't know 
>>> how to import a whole array.) So, I batch-generated an excerpt set for each 
>>> class session, using a combination of <$details> formatting (using 
>>> telmiger's plugin, referenced earlier in this thread) and 
>>> quotation-graphics css. The result, for each chapter or article, is a 
>>> neat-looking "accordion" array of quotes, where the summary for each 
>>> excerpt includes a "teaser" phrase and page number, and the drop-down 
>>> allows us to expand passages of interest as needed during discussion. You 
>>> can hit "edit" within an excerpt-oriented tiddler to see what the guts look 
>>> like: 
>>> https://springerspandrel.github.io/tw/ethicsatwes.html#Arisotle%201%20excerpts
>>>  
>>> ...  But again, the reason I didn't take a "granular" approach (one tiddler 
>>> per excerpt) is idiosyncratic, and I don't recommend emulating this aspect 
>>> of my site organization!
>>>
>>> I believe some other folks here have actually developed a full-fledged 
>>> biblio tool for tiddlywiki. In particular, if you haven't seen it yet, 
>>> check out Mohammad's Refnotes plugin: https://kookma.github.io/Refnotes/
>>>
>>> -Springer
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 12:34:33 PM UTC-5 manishm...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Springer
 I have no coding knowledge and have been exploring a way to collate 
 quotes and excerpts. 
 Would it be possible to educate me on the way you have listed the 
 Excerpts in your tiddlywiki. Or could you please direct me to some links 
 that explain the process. 
 Thanks a ton

 Manish

 On Friday, 27 November, 2020 at 1:27:15 am UTC+5:30 springer wrote:

> Cl0d, exactly what I find marvelous about TiddlyWiki is how much it 
> can be molded to very different purposes. I maintain different TW5 
> projects 
> for different purposes, with different plugin sets and other 
> customizations 
> suited to the purposes of each project. 
>

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki best practices

[Cl0d]

@Manish : I'm in the same case and I plan to transfer all my notes on a TW 
file. What you're using for quotes, is that from the same plugins we've 
talked about in the posts above ?

On Monday, 30 November 2020 at 16:11:33 UTC+1 manishm...@gmail.com wrote:

> Dear Springer 
> Thank you for your detailed response. I read about the Dynamic Table 
> feature and am learning to incorporate it. 
>
> If I can re-frame my predicament:  Say, I read 50 books in a year. Now, I 
> have 50 tiddlers in which the notes, bullet points and 2-3 quotes/excerpts 
> are included in each. 
> Is it possible for me view all the 100-150 quotes in one tiddler? 
>
> The code which I'm using for the quotes within the tiddler is:
> <<<.tc-big-quote
> [[Quotes]] 
> It is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. But perhaps there is 
> a key. That key is National Interest 
>
> <<
> When I search 'quotes', what i get is a list of 50 Book title tiddlers 
> which isnt very helpful. It's also awkward to tag every tiddler with 
> 'Quotes'
>
>
> Would be grateful for your comments. 
>
> Regards
> Manish
>
>
> On Sunday, 29 November, 2020 at 1:46:18 am UTC+5:30 springer wrote:
>
>> Manish, there are different ways to think about organizing quotes.
>>
>> If I had been working in Tiddlywiki all along, I'd probably set up each 
>> excerpt as its own tiddler, putting only the actual excerpt in the body of 
>> the tiddler and using fields for various citation details such as author, 
>> title, page, meta-title (journal or enclosing book), notes. I'd tag each 
>> one with "excerpt" and use an excerpt-specific template to make each 
>> excerpt display with the relevant fields as desired. Then I would use a 
>> dynamic table for any desired "slice" of tiddlers (filtered based on a 
>> certain source, or a certain author, or with a certain word or keyword, 
>> whatever). If you're starting fresh with TiddlyWiki, I recommend this 
>> granular approach. A tiddler should generally be the smallest informational 
>> unit that is of interest to you and/or your audience.
>>
>> In my own case, I had already developed (starting in the 1990s) a 
>> full-fledged database of research- and teaching-related excerpts using the 
>> FileMaker database app (which was my software brain prior to TiddlyWiki, 
>> and still handles most of my document-generation tasks). And my main use 
>> for excerpts in TiddlyWiki was to organize the excerpts for each particular 
>> reading, for access during classroom discussion. (It was easy for me to get 
>> FileMaker to "dress" the excerpts up with various bits of syntax and bundle 
>> them in sets based on my usual teaching needs. At the time (duing TW 
>> Classic times) it was easier to copy and paste large sets; I didn't know 
>> how to import a whole array.) So, I batch-generated an excerpt set for each 
>> class session, using a combination of <$details> formatting (using 
>> telmiger's plugin, referenced earlier in this thread) and 
>> quotation-graphics css. The result, for each chapter or article, is a 
>> neat-looking "accordion" array of quotes, where the summary for each 
>> excerpt includes a "teaser" phrase and page number, and the drop-down 
>> allows us to expand passages of interest as needed during discussion. You 
>> can hit "edit" within an excerpt-oriented tiddler to see what the guts look 
>> like: 
>> https://springerspandrel.github.io/tw/ethicsatwes.html#Arisotle%201%20excerpts
>>  
>> ...  But again, the reason I didn't take a "granular" approach (one tiddler 
>> per excerpt) is idiosyncratic, and I don't recommend emulating this aspect 
>> of my site organization!
>>
>> I believe some other folks here have actually developed a full-fledged 
>> biblio tool for tiddlywiki. In particular, if you haven't seen it yet, 
>> check out Mohammad's Refnotes plugin: https://kookma.github.io/Refnotes/
>>
>> -Springer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 12:34:33 PM UTC-5 manishm...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Springer
>>> I have no coding knowledge and have been exploring a way to collate 
>>> quotes and excerpts. 
>>> Would it be possible to educate me on the way you have listed the 
>>> Excerpts in your tiddlywiki. Or could you please direct me to some links 
>>> that explain the process. 
>>> Thanks a ton
>>>
>>> Manish
>>>
>>> On Friday, 27 November, 2020 at 1:27:15 am UTC+5:30 springer wrote:
>>>
 Cl0d, exactly what I find marvelous about TiddlyWiki is how much it can 
 be molded to very different purposes. I maintain different TW5 projects 
 for 
 different purposes, with different plugin sets and other customizations 
 suited to the purposes of each project. 

 Two things that I suspect I do more than most people are:

 (1) Make a dynamic table, using the Shiraz plugin,  for virtually every 
 important tag. It offers a great compact way to get the big picture on any 
 slice that interests me. I used to use TOC-style tiddlers for this 
 purpose, 

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki best practices

[TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Mohammad & Springer

Interesting thread. I like the concrete examples. Mohammad's use case in 
particular I find very interesting.

This is a thread that some parts of would make the basis for a fine *Permanent 
Article*. Would need a few illustrations or links to wikis, but basically 
its highly illustrative of use cases in a great way.

Thoughts
TT



On Friday, 27 November 2020 at 18:30:58 UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:

> Springer,
>
> I really like your Tiddlywikis act as course pages with all related 
> materials. One difference between my own wikis with yours is I keep 
> information in a loose format while you arrange them in a dense format! By 
> this I mean I have little information per tiddler, most of them are 
> visible, I use fields for special purposes so I use the rich environment of 
> Tiddlywiki but in its simple possible form. Like you I am a big fan of 
> dynamic tables.
>
> I also use Tiddlywiki for Homework. Students submit their homework as a 
> Tiddlywiki single file. It is a standard one I distribute to them. (with 
> Relink + Shiraz+ favorites+ comment+ todo+ commander + Highlight.js + KaTeX)
>
> Using comment plugin I can review and comment their solution and return to 
> them.
>
> I also use Tiddlywiki + Tiddlyshow for lecturing!
>
> I also distribute some course materials as plugin. I learned this from 
> Xavier Cazin. For example they can download a plugin called: Root finding. 
> This plugin contains all my course notes, pyhton codes, ... in a form of 
> plugin regarding root fining for scalar algebraic equations. So, they can 
> play with them add their own notes, ... but they always have my original 
> course notes in their Course Tiddlywiki.
>
>
> Cheers
> Mohammad
>
> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 11:27:15 PM UTC+3:30 springer wrote:
>
>> Cl0d, exactly what I find marvelous about TiddlyWiki is how much it can 
>> be molded to very different purposes. I maintain different TW5 projects for 
>> different purposes, with different plugin sets and other customizations 
>> suited to the purposes of each project. 
>>
>> Two things that I suspect I do more than most people are:
>>
>> (1) Make a dynamic table, using the Shiraz plugin,  for virtually every 
>> important tag. It offers a great compact way to get the big picture on any 
>> slice that interests me. I used to use TOC-style tiddlers for this purpose, 
>> and that structure still has uses, but the dynamic table is more powerful. 
>> I love that I can structure each such dynamic table to focus on the fields 
>> that are important for that particular tag. (Of course, you can build a 
>> dynamic table around criteria other than tags, but that's my main workhorse 
>> use.) I also tend to populate my stylesheet with tag-specific css, so that 
>> there are clear visual cues as to which kind of tiddler we're looking at. 
>> (I use TW for teaching. So, a quiz question tiddler has a look and feel 
>> that differs from an author-specific tiddler or a definition tiddler or a 
>> tiddler focused on excerpts from the readings, etc.)
>>
>> (2) Liberally employ a "details" GUI for things that I don't want to see 
>> (or don't want to show to students) unless/until it's time to dig in 
>> deeper. I use telmiger's details plugin, because it's super-flexible about 
>> the contents within the details area (allows any formatting or markup you 
>> can think of within the hidden "pocket" area). But to put ordinary text 
>> elaboration into a details "pocket," Shiraz's details function is simple 
>> and great too.
>>
>> If you'd like to poke around on one of my teaching sites, feel free to 
>> visit this link: 
>> https://springerspandrel.github.io/tw/ethicsatwes.html#TiddlyWiki
>>
>> Enjoy the adventure of discovering the possibilities!
>>
>> -Springer 
>> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 2:06:10 PM UTC-5 Cl0d wrote:
>>
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> Been using TiddlyWiki for a few weeks now. I'm still learning how to 
>>> cope with the enormous potential offered by TiddlyWiki.
>>>
>>> For example, I discovered today that it was possible to create a dynamic 
>>> table of content using keywords. 
>>>
>>> So I was wondering, what are your best practices, or let's say, advices, 
>>> for using TiddlyWiki ? How does your "basic wiki" look like ? What plugins 
>>> and/or custom features do you use ? 
>>>
>>> I'm still in a transitional phase, meaning that I'm writing my new notes 
>>> in TiddlyWiki to get used to it and I'm at the same time trying to discover 
>>> new tools to organize my future wiki's in the best way possible.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for every answer.
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki best practices

[Manish Mohandas]

 Dear Springer 
Thank you for your detailed response. I read about the Dynamic Table 
feature and am learning to incorporate it. 

If I can re-frame my predicament:  Say, I read 50 books in a year. Now, I 
have 50 tiddlers in which the notes, bullet points and 2-3 quotes/excerpts 
are included in each. 
Is it possible for me view all the 100-150 quotes in one tiddler? 

The code which I'm using for the quotes within the tiddler is:
<<<.tc-big-quote
[[Quotes]] 
It is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. But perhaps there is 
a key. That key is National Interest 

<< Manish, there are different ways to think about organizing quotes.
>
> If I had been working in Tiddlywiki all along, I'd probably set up each 
> excerpt as its own tiddler, putting only the actual excerpt in the body of 
> the tiddler and using fields for various citation details such as author, 
> title, page, meta-title (journal or enclosing book), notes. I'd tag each 
> one with "excerpt" and use an excerpt-specific template to make each 
> excerpt display with the relevant fields as desired. Then I would use a 
> dynamic table for any desired "slice" of tiddlers (filtered based on a 
> certain source, or a certain author, or with a certain word or keyword, 
> whatever). If you're starting fresh with TiddlyWiki, I recommend this 
> granular approach. A tiddler should generally be the smallest informational 
> unit that is of interest to you and/or your audience.
>
> In my own case, I had already developed (starting in the 1990s) a 
> full-fledged database of research- and teaching-related excerpts using the 
> FileMaker database app (which was my software brain prior to TiddlyWiki, 
> and still handles most of my document-generation tasks). And my main use 
> for excerpts in TiddlyWiki was to organize the excerpts for each particular 
> reading, for access during classroom discussion. (It was easy for me to get 
> FileMaker to "dress" the excerpts up with various bits of syntax and bundle 
> them in sets based on my usual teaching needs. At the time (duing TW 
> Classic times) it was easier to copy and paste large sets; I didn't know 
> how to import a whole array.) So, I batch-generated an excerpt set for each 
> class session, using a combination of <$details> formatting (using 
> telmiger's plugin, referenced earlier in this thread) and 
> quotation-graphics css. The result, for each chapter or article, is a 
> neat-looking "accordion" array of quotes, where the summary for each 
> excerpt includes a "teaser" phrase and page number, and the drop-down 
> allows us to expand passages of interest as needed during discussion. You 
> can hit "edit" within an excerpt-oriented tiddler to see what the guts look 
> like: 
> https://springerspandrel.github.io/tw/ethicsatwes.html#Arisotle%201%20excerpts
>  
> ...  But again, the reason I didn't take a "granular" approach (one tiddler 
> per excerpt) is idiosyncratic, and I don't recommend emulating this aspect 
> of my site organization!
>
> I believe some other folks here have actually developed a full-fledged 
> biblio tool for tiddlywiki. In particular, if you haven't seen it yet, 
> check out Mohammad's Refnotes plugin: https://kookma.github.io/Refnotes/
>
> -Springer
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 12:34:33 PM UTC-5 manishm...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Springer
>> I have no coding knowledge and have been exploring a way to collate 
>> quotes and excerpts. 
>> Would it be possible to educate me on the way you have listed the 
>> Excerpts in your tiddlywiki. Or could you please direct me to some links 
>> that explain the process. 
>> Thanks a ton
>>
>> Manish
>>
>> On Friday, 27 November, 2020 at 1:27:15 am UTC+5:30 springer wrote:
>>
>>> Cl0d, exactly what I find marvelous about TiddlyWiki is how much it can 
>>> be molded to very different purposes. I maintain different TW5 projects for 
>>> different purposes, with different plugin sets and other customizations 
>>> suited to the purposes of each project. 
>>>
>>> Two things that I suspect I do more than most people are:
>>>
>>> (1) Make a dynamic table, using the Shiraz plugin,  for virtually every 
>>> important tag. It offers a great compact way to get the big picture on any 
>>> slice that interests me. I used to use TOC-style tiddlers for this purpose, 
>>> and that structure still has uses, but the dynamic table is more powerful. 
>>> I love that I can structure each such dynamic table to focus on the fields 
>>> that are important for that particular tag. (Of course, you can build a 
>>> dynamic table around criteria other than tags, but that's my main workhorse 
>>> use.) I also tend to populate my stylesheet with tag-specific css, so that 
>>> there are clear visual cues as to which kind of tiddler we're looking at. 
>>> (I use TW for teaching. So, a quiz question tiddler has a look and feel 
>>> that differs from an author-specific tiddler or a definition tiddler or a 
>>> tiddler focused on excerpts from 

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki best practices

[Cl0d]

@Mohammad : Yes for sure, you're 100% right. I think on that, I'm now ready 
to go. I'm definetly going for a separation on broad subjects, which will 
allow me 1) to have a clear separation but also 2) to be able to link 
things together within a single Wiki.

@Springer : Absolutely, I've already renamed several tiddlers, so Relink 
built-in plugin, is of massive help. Going to check that out also.

Thanks to all of you for your precious help. 



On Friday, 27 November 2020 at 18:12:25 UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:

> CI0d,
> While you got some good replies from right people I would like to add my 
> two cents:
> You use Word processor like (MS Word, LibreOffice Write, Google Doc,... or 
> similar) do you put all your writings in on document? For example consider 
> me as a PhD student
> I store my manuscripts each in their own file e.g  a docx (MS Word), 
> progress reports in their own files (but in one folder), thesis report in 
> its own file (even each chapter in a separate file in one folder),... you 
> may for example create a master document to build your thesis report for 
> chapters,
>
> Tiddlywiki is the same, keep different things in different Tiddlywikis.
> Don't put learning notes about Tiddlywiki in the same wiki you prepared as 
> a monthly report for your supervisor. Keep monthly reports in separate 
> wikis.
> You work on a research project say: COVID-19, use a separate wiki and 
> store all related research notes, links to resources, webpages, ... in that 
> wiki
>
>
> I see each Tiddlywiki like a Word document, so I don't expect it to keep 
> everything for me  from grocery list to my lecture notes, recent 
> manuscript, my talk for xx conference, TW learning notes, Q from GG, bla 
> bla ... 
>
>
>
> Those who use Tiddlywiki as a comprehensive second brain, they mostly use 
> it for notes! In most cases it is just like Mr Woopee and hos closet 
> 
>
> --Mohammad
>
> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 10:36:10 PM UTC+3:30 Cl0d wrote:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> Been using TiddlyWiki for a few weeks now. I'm still learning how to cope 
>> with the enormous potential offered by TiddlyWiki.
>>
>> For example, I discovered today that it was possible to create a dynamic 
>> table of content using keywords. 
>>
>> So I was wondering, what are your best practices, or let's say, advices, 
>> for using TiddlyWiki ? How does your "basic wiki" look like ? What plugins 
>> and/or custom features do you use ? 
>>
>> I'm still in a transitional phase, meaning that I'm writing my new notes 
>> in TiddlyWiki to get used to it and I'm at the same time trying to discover 
>> new tools to organize my future wiki's in the best way possible.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for every answer.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki best practices

[springer]

Manish, there are different ways to think about organizing quotes.

If I had been working in Tiddlywiki all along, I'd probably set up each 
excerpt as its own tiddler, putting only the actual excerpt in the body of 
the tiddler and using fields for various citation details such as author, 
title, page, meta-title (journal or enclosing book), notes. I'd tag each 
one with "excerpt" and use an excerpt-specific template to make each 
excerpt display with the relevant fields as desired. Then I would use a 
dynamic table for any desired "slice" of tiddlers (filtered based on a 
certain source, or a certain author, or with a certain word or keyword, 
whatever). If you're starting fresh with TiddlyWiki, I recommend this 
granular approach. A tiddler should generally be the smallest informational 
unit that is of interest to you and/or your audience.

In my own case, I had already developed (starting in the 1990s) a 
full-fledged database of research- and teaching-related excerpts using the 
FileMaker database app (which was my software brain prior to TiddlyWiki, 
and still handles most of my document-generation tasks). And my main use 
for excerpts in TiddlyWiki was to organize the excerpts for each particular 
reading, for access during classroom discussion. (It was easy for me to get 
FileMaker to "dress" the excerpts up with various bits of syntax and bundle 
them in sets based on my usual teaching needs. At the time (duing TW 
Classic times) it was easier to copy and paste large sets; I didn't know 
how to import a whole array.) So, I batch-generated an excerpt set for each 
class session, using a combination of <$details> formatting (using 
telmiger's plugin, referenced earlier in this thread) and 
quotation-graphics css. The result, for each chapter or article, is a 
neat-looking "accordion" array of quotes, where the summary for each 
excerpt includes a "teaser" phrase and page number, and the drop-down 
allows us to expand passages of interest as needed during discussion. You 
can hit "edit" within an excerpt-oriented tiddler to see what the guts look 
like: 
https://springerspandrel.github.io/tw/ethicsatwes.html#Arisotle%201%20excerpts 
...  But again, the reason I didn't take a "granular" approach (one tiddler 
per excerpt) is idiosyncratic, and I don't recommend emulating this aspect 
of my site organization!

I believe some other folks here have actually developed a full-fledged 
biblio tool for tiddlywiki. In particular, if you haven't seen it yet, 
check out Mohammad's Refnotes plugin: https://kookma.github.io/Refnotes/

-Springer




On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 12:34:33 PM UTC-5 manishm...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi Springer
> I have no coding knowledge and have been exploring a way to collate quotes 
> and excerpts. 
> Would it be possible to educate me on the way you have listed the Excerpts 
> in your tiddlywiki. Or could you please direct me to some links that 
> explain the process. 
> Thanks a ton
>
> Manish
>
> On Friday, 27 November, 2020 at 1:27:15 am UTC+5:30 springer wrote:
>
>> Cl0d, exactly what I find marvelous about TiddlyWiki is how much it can 
>> be molded to very different purposes. I maintain different TW5 projects for 
>> different purposes, with different plugin sets and other customizations 
>> suited to the purposes of each project. 
>>
>> Two things that I suspect I do more than most people are:
>>
>> (1) Make a dynamic table, using the Shiraz plugin,  for virtually every 
>> important tag. It offers a great compact way to get the big picture on any 
>> slice that interests me. I used to use TOC-style tiddlers for this purpose, 
>> and that structure still has uses, but the dynamic table is more powerful. 
>> I love that I can structure each such dynamic table to focus on the fields 
>> that are important for that particular tag. (Of course, you can build a 
>> dynamic table around criteria other than tags, but that's my main workhorse 
>> use.) I also tend to populate my stylesheet with tag-specific css, so that 
>> there are clear visual cues as to which kind of tiddler we're looking at. 
>> (I use TW for teaching. So, a quiz question tiddler has a look and feel 
>> that differs from an author-specific tiddler or a definition tiddler or a 
>> tiddler focused on excerpts from the readings, etc.)
>>
>> (2) Liberally employ a "details" GUI for things that I don't want to see 
>> (or don't want to show to students) unless/until it's time to dig in 
>> deeper. I use telmiger's details plugin, because it's super-flexible about 
>> the contents within the details area (allows any formatting or markup you 
>> can think of within the hidden "pocket" area). But to put ordinary text 
>> elaboration into a details "pocket," Shiraz's details function is simple 
>> and great too.
>>
>> If you'd like to poke around on one of my teaching sites, feel free to 
>> visit this link: 
>> https://springerspandrel.github.io/tw/ethicsatwes.html#TiddlyWiki
>>
>> Enjoy the adventure of 

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki best practices

[Manish Mohandas]

Hi Springer
I have no coding knowledge and have been exploring a way to collate quotes 
and excerpts. 
Would it be possible to educate me on the way you have listed the Excerpts 
in your tiddlywiki. Or could you please direct me to some links that 
explain the process. 
Thanks a ton

Manish

On Friday, 27 November, 2020 at 1:27:15 am UTC+5:30 springer wrote:

> Cl0d, exactly what I find marvelous about TiddlyWiki is how much it can be 
> molded to very different purposes. I maintain different TW5 projects for 
> different purposes, with different plugin sets and other customizations 
> suited to the purposes of each project. 
>
> Two things that I suspect I do more than most people are:
>
> (1) Make a dynamic table, using the Shiraz plugin,  for virtually every 
> important tag. It offers a great compact way to get the big picture on any 
> slice that interests me. I used to use TOC-style tiddlers for this purpose, 
> and that structure still has uses, but the dynamic table is more powerful. 
> I love that I can structure each such dynamic table to focus on the fields 
> that are important for that particular tag. (Of course, you can build a 
> dynamic table around criteria other than tags, but that's my main workhorse 
> use.) I also tend to populate my stylesheet with tag-specific css, so that 
> there are clear visual cues as to which kind of tiddler we're looking at. 
> (I use TW for teaching. So, a quiz question tiddler has a look and feel 
> that differs from an author-specific tiddler or a definition tiddler or a 
> tiddler focused on excerpts from the readings, etc.)
>
> (2) Liberally employ a "details" GUI for things that I don't want to see 
> (or don't want to show to students) unless/until it's time to dig in 
> deeper. I use telmiger's details plugin, because it's super-flexible about 
> the contents within the details area (allows any formatting or markup you 
> can think of within the hidden "pocket" area). But to put ordinary text 
> elaboration into a details "pocket," Shiraz's details function is simple 
> and great too.
>
> If you'd like to poke around on one of my teaching sites, feel free to 
> visit this link: 
> https://springerspandrel.github.io/tw/ethicsatwes.html#TiddlyWiki
>
> Enjoy the adventure of discovering the possibilities!
>
> -Springer 
> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 2:06:10 PM UTC-5 Cl0d wrote:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> Been using TiddlyWiki for a few weeks now. I'm still learning how to cope 
>> with the enormous potential offered by TiddlyWiki.
>>
>> For example, I discovered today that it was possible to create a dynamic 
>> table of content using keywords. 
>>
>> So I was wondering, what are your best practices, or let's say, advices, 
>> for using TiddlyWiki ? How does your "basic wiki" look like ? What plugins 
>> and/or custom features do you use ? 
>>
>> I'm still in a transitional phase, meaning that I'm writing my new notes 
>> in TiddlyWiki to get used to it and I'm at the same time trying to discover 
>> new tools to organize my future wiki's in the best way possible.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for every answer.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki best practices

[Mohammad]

Springer,

I really like your Tiddlywikis act as course pages with all related 
materials. One difference between my own wikis with yours is I keep 
information in a loose format while you arrange them in a dense format! By 
this I mean I have little information per tiddler, most of them are 
visible, I use fields for special purposes so I use the rich environment of 
Tiddlywiki but in its simple possible form. Like you I am a big fan of 
dynamic tables.

I also use Tiddlywiki for Homework. Students submit their homework as a 
Tiddlywiki single file. It is a standard one I distribute to them. (with 
Relink + Shiraz+ favorites+ comment+ todo+ commander + Highlight.js + KaTeX)

Using comment plugin I can review and comment their solution and return to 
them.

I also use Tiddlywiki + Tiddlyshow for lecturing!

I also distribute some course materials as plugin. I learned this from 
Xavier Cazin. For example they can download a plugin called: Root finding. 
This plugin contains all my course notes, pyhton codes, ... in a form of 
plugin regarding root fining for scalar algebraic equations. So, they can 
play with them add their own notes, ... but they always have my original 
course notes in their Course Tiddlywiki.


Cheers
Mohammad

On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 11:27:15 PM UTC+3:30 springer wrote:

> Cl0d, exactly what I find marvelous about TiddlyWiki is how much it can be 
> molded to very different purposes. I maintain different TW5 projects for 
> different purposes, with different plugin sets and other customizations 
> suited to the purposes of each project. 
>
> Two things that I suspect I do more than most people are:
>
> (1) Make a dynamic table, using the Shiraz plugin,  for virtually every 
> important tag. It offers a great compact way to get the big picture on any 
> slice that interests me. I used to use TOC-style tiddlers for this purpose, 
> and that structure still has uses, but the dynamic table is more powerful. 
> I love that I can structure each such dynamic table to focus on the fields 
> that are important for that particular tag. (Of course, you can build a 
> dynamic table around criteria other than tags, but that's my main workhorse 
> use.) I also tend to populate my stylesheet with tag-specific css, so that 
> there are clear visual cues as to which kind of tiddler we're looking at. 
> (I use TW for teaching. So, a quiz question tiddler has a look and feel 
> that differs from an author-specific tiddler or a definition tiddler or a 
> tiddler focused on excerpts from the readings, etc.)
>
> (2) Liberally employ a "details" GUI for things that I don't want to see 
> (or don't want to show to students) unless/until it's time to dig in 
> deeper. I use telmiger's details plugin, because it's super-flexible about 
> the contents within the details area (allows any formatting or markup you 
> can think of within the hidden "pocket" area). But to put ordinary text 
> elaboration into a details "pocket," Shiraz's details function is simple 
> and great too.
>
> If you'd like to poke around on one of my teaching sites, feel free to 
> visit this link: 
> https://springerspandrel.github.io/tw/ethicsatwes.html#TiddlyWiki
>
> Enjoy the adventure of discovering the possibilities!
>
> -Springer 
> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 2:06:10 PM UTC-5 Cl0d wrote:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> Been using TiddlyWiki for a few weeks now. I'm still learning how to cope 
>> with the enormous potential offered by TiddlyWiki.
>>
>> For example, I discovered today that it was possible to create a dynamic 
>> table of content using keywords. 
>>
>> So I was wondering, what are your best practices, or let's say, advices, 
>> for using TiddlyWiki ? How does your "basic wiki" look like ? What plugins 
>> and/or custom features do you use ? 
>>
>> I'm still in a transitional phase, meaning that I'm writing my new notes 
>> in TiddlyWiki to get used to it and I'm at the same time trying to discover 
>> new tools to organize my future wiki's in the best way possible.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for every answer.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki best practices

[Mohammad]

CI0d,
While you got some good replies from right people I would like to add my 
two cents:
You use Word processor like (MS Word, LibreOffice Write, Google Doc,... or 
similar) do you put all your writings in on document? For example consider 
me as a PhD student
I store my manuscripts each in their own file e.g  a docx (MS Word), 
progress reports in their own files (but in one folder), thesis report in 
its own file (even each chapter in a separate file in one folder),... you 
may for example create a master document to build your thesis report for 
chapters,

Tiddlywiki is the same, keep different things in different Tiddlywikis.
Don't put learning notes about Tiddlywiki in the same wiki you prepared as 
a monthly report for your supervisor. Keep monthly reports in separate 
wikis.
You work on a research project say: COVID-19, use a separate wiki and store 
all related research notes, links to resources, webpages, ... in that wiki


I see each Tiddlywiki like a Word document, so I don't expect it to keep 
everything for me  from grocery list to my lecture notes, recent 
manuscript, my talk for xx conference, TW learning notes, Q from GG, bla 
bla ... 



Those who use Tiddlywiki as a comprehensive second brain, they mostly use 
it for notes! In most cases it is just like Mr Woopee and hos closet 


--Mohammad

On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 10:36:10 PM UTC+3:30 Cl0d wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> Been using TiddlyWiki for a few weeks now. I'm still learning how to cope 
> with the enormous potential offered by TiddlyWiki.
>
> For example, I discovered today that it was possible to create a dynamic 
> table of content using keywords. 
>
> So I was wondering, what are your best practices, or let's say, advices, 
> for using TiddlyWiki ? How does your "basic wiki" look like ? What plugins 
> and/or custom features do you use ? 
>
> I'm still in a transitional phase, meaning that I'm writing my new notes 
> in TiddlyWiki to get used to it and I'm at the same time trying to discover 
> new tools to organize my future wiki's in the best way possible.
>
> Thanks in advance for every answer.
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki best practices

[springer]

Cl0d, the DetailsWidget linked by Charlie above is the same one I use. Very 
powerful!

Also, I want to correct what I just posted about the Relink plugin and 
related functions: only *some* such functions were added to the core in 
5.1.14; if you rename tiddlers frequently (and also employ links in 
markdown) then you should check out the flibbles relink plugin that Charlie 
points to.

-Springer
On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 9:16:55 PM UTC-5 Charlie Veniot wrote:

> G'day Cl0d,
>
> So far, my favourite can't-live-without plugins:  Relink 
>  and DetailsWidget 
> .
>
> I am a "tweaker" by nature.  Like for anything else, I am always Tiddler 
> Titles (incrementally, iteratively) tweaking them until I get them 
> juust right, as elucidation of information and structural needs comes 
> together bit by bit.  I'd be lost without Relink.
>
> DetailsWidget is a simple and wonderful way to structure content.  It 
> really helps me visually organize the cognitive mess that is this old 
> sponge of mine (I see everything as deeply  intertwingled, i.e. every 
> little thing is connected to everything.)  I like being able to see more 
> info "right there", without leaving the happy confines of whatever thing 
> I'm looking at.
>
> I tend to prefer having multiple TiddlyWiki instances for very clear 
> purposes (kind of like the kid who does not like the potatoes touching the 
> peas.)  You will see, though, that when there are intersections of largely 
> common info, I'm quite happy with one TiddlyWiki handling multiple purposes 
> (or contextual views) in one TiddlyWiki.
>
> Here are a few examples of mine for your interest, even if just for the 
> $hit$ and the giggle$:
>
>
>- *Le P'tit Aurèle 
>* *(my first 
>TiddlyWiki)*
>   - a lexicon of Acadian French / un lexique du français acadien
>- *ADHD Slice'n Dice 
>
> *
>- An "Intertwingularity Mapping" journey with TiddlyWiki about ADHD 
>   (inattentive subtype)
>- Product Reviews, which wound up turning into a multi-purpose 
>TiddlyWiki (one TiddlyWiki with a URL parameter for purpose) for:
>- *Product Reviews 
>   
> *
>   - *Urban Off Gridding for Laypersons 
>   
> *
>   - *Hydro Bill Cutting for Laypersons 
>   
> *
>   - *Chromebook: Beyond Web Browsing 
>   
> *
>   - *ORM-ish à la TiddlyWiki 
>* *(my 
>newest project that has all my attention lately)*
>   - Using TiddlyWiki for fact-based information modelling and 
>   database engineering
>
>
> Cheers, and welcome to TiddlyWikiHood !
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 3:06:10 PM UTC-4 Cl0d wrote:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> Been using TiddlyWiki for a few weeks now. I'm still learning how to cope 
>> with the enormous potential offered by TiddlyWiki.
>>
>> For example, I discovered today that it was possible to create a dynamic 
>> table of content using keywords. 
>>
>> So I was wondering, what are your best practices, or let's say, advices, 
>> for using TiddlyWiki ? How does your "basic wiki" look like ? What plugins 
>> and/or custom features do you use ? 
>>
>> I'm still in a transitional phase, meaning that I'm writing my new notes 
>> in TiddlyWiki to get used to it and I'm at the same time trying to discover 
>> new tools to organize my future wiki's in the best way possible.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for every answer.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki best practices

[springer]

Yes, Relink is about being able to rename tiddlers without having any 
markup links to them go cold. But given how many of us found it to be 
essential, I believe it's been brought into the core for a while now (since 
5.1.14). So if you're just starting up you should already see an option box 
appear, when you rename a tiddler, to verify that you want the links to 
follow along. (Sometimes you might specifically *not* want the links to 
follow, so it's great that it's de-selectable.)

On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 7:54:15 AM UTC-5 Cl0d wrote:

> @springer : Alright. That lowers my fear of messing up my data. Got you, 
> that's also what I saw on your teaching Wiki. You have a red outline and 
> yellow background for definitions for example, which, as you say, tells us 
> clearly that we're looking at a definition.
>
> @Charlie Veniot : I'm sorry if I sound dumb, but I don't understand what 
> could be the use of "relink". Is it related to the dynamic modification of 
> links ? So basically, whenever you change a title, it gets updated 
> everywhere thanks to relink ?
>
> Thanks :)
> On Friday, 27 November 2020 at 00:06:29 UTC+1 springer wrote:
>
>> Cl0d,
>>
>> You'll find people here at both extremes: some use one massive TW5 as a 
>> repository for everything, figuring that this path makes maximal room for 
>> connections even across domains that may seem separate.
>>
>> My own approach is different largely because I like to have TW5 files 
>> that I can share with different audiences, without worrying that something 
>> intended for one audience would be distracting or even inappropriate for 
>> another audience. Obviously, that holds for a project devoted to a 
>> particular university course. I also set up a TW5 for a committee I chair; 
>> it's locked down with an encryption password and includes notes that aren't 
>> appropriately shared except with others on the committee (though I don't 
>> naively upload anything to an online repository like GitHub that is 
>> super-sensitive). For another example, folks at the TWGG know that I just 
>> set up a super-minimal TW5 for hosting the images connected with the 5.1.23 
>> logo contestants. Anyone who visits that wiki can poke around the "Recent" 
>> list without being confused by a long list of irrelevant things. Many 
>> plugins offer demo TW5 pages that are similarly stand-alone. I enjoy 
>> developing each of my projects with a distinctive color scheme and style 
>> set so that it feels like I'm arriving in a different "work environment" 
>> when I shift from one project to another.
>>
>> Whichever way you go, you should be reassured that dragging tiddlers 
>> between files, or filtering and exporting a JSON batch and dropping it onto 
>> a different TW5, allows you to engage in fusion or fission as needed down 
>> the road.
>>
>> -Springer
>> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 4:13:44 PM UTC-5 Cl0d wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for your answer.
>>>
>>> It can without a doubt serve, I'd say, unlimited purposes. And the fact 
>>> that you outlined that, made me realize something I internally knew since 
>>> the first day I started using TiddlyWiki : the way you organize TW, greatly 
>>> depends on what you do with it.
>>>
>>> I have flown over both plugins tutorials and I'm going to try them out 
>>> on one of my test Wiki's, to see how I can use them. 
>>>
>>> Your site is amazing. This is definetly the kind of organization I'm 
>>> looking forward to achieve.
>>>
>>> I hope you don't mind me asking this question, but do you use TW for 
>>> other purposes ? I'm asking because, I couldn't get my head around a 
>>> question, which is, should I use only one Wiki for everything ?
>>>
>>> To give you an example, I read a lot of books and I take plenty of notes 
>>> and I also write extended documentations about computer science. Now, what 
>>> I'm doing right now, is creating one Wiki per subject. So I have a Wiki for 
>>> programming, one for everything that's related to pentesting, one for 
>>> system related things, one containing all my notes on books etc.
>>>
>>> I don't really know if this is going to be sustainble once I'll start 
>>> transfering all the information to TW.
>>>
>>> Said like this, it might sound trivial, but I feel like if I mess up my 
>>> '"entry" in TW, it's going to be hard to get everything straight later on.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 26 November 2020 at 20:57:15 UTC+1 springer wrote:
>>>
 Cl0d, exactly what I find marvelous about TiddlyWiki is how much it can 
 be molded to very different purposes. I maintain different TW5 projects 
 for 
 different purposes, with different plugin sets and other customizations 
 suited to the purposes of each project. 

 Two things that I suspect I do more than most people are:

 (1) Make a dynamic table, using the Shiraz plugin,  for virtually every 
 important tag. It offers a great compact way to get the big picture on any 
 slice that interests me. I used 

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki best practices

[Cl0d]

@springer : Alright. That lowers my fear of messing up my data. Got you, 
that's also what I saw on your teaching Wiki. You have a red outline and 
yellow background for definitions for example, which, as you say, tells us 
clearly that we're looking at a definition.

@Charlie Veniot : I'm sorry if I sound dumb, but I don't understand what 
could be the use of "relink". Is it related to the dynamic modification of 
links ? So basically, whenever you change a title, it gets updated 
everywhere thanks to relink ?

Thanks :)
On Friday, 27 November 2020 at 00:06:29 UTC+1 springer wrote:

> Cl0d,
>
> You'll find people here at both extremes: some use one massive TW5 as a 
> repository for everything, figuring that this path makes maximal room for 
> connections even across domains that may seem separate.
>
> My own approach is different largely because I like to have TW5 files that 
> I can share with different audiences, without worrying that something 
> intended for one audience would be distracting or even inappropriate for 
> another audience. Obviously, that holds for a project devoted to a 
> particular university course. I also set up a TW5 for a committee I chair; 
> it's locked down with an encryption password and includes notes that aren't 
> appropriately shared except with others on the committee (though I don't 
> naively upload anything to an online repository like GitHub that is 
> super-sensitive). For another example, folks at the TWGG know that I just 
> set up a super-minimal TW5 for hosting the images connected with the 5.1.23 
> logo contestants. Anyone who visits that wiki can poke around the "Recent" 
> list without being confused by a long list of irrelevant things. Many 
> plugins offer demo TW5 pages that are similarly stand-alone. I enjoy 
> developing each of my projects with a distinctive color scheme and style 
> set so that it feels like I'm arriving in a different "work environment" 
> when I shift from one project to another.
>
> Whichever way you go, you should be reassured that dragging tiddlers 
> between files, or filtering and exporting a JSON batch and dropping it onto 
> a different TW5, allows you to engage in fusion or fission as needed down 
> the road.
>
> -Springer
> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 4:13:44 PM UTC-5 Cl0d wrote:
>
>> Thank you for your answer.
>>
>> It can without a doubt serve, I'd say, unlimited purposes. And the fact 
>> that you outlined that, made me realize something I internally knew since 
>> the first day I started using TiddlyWiki : the way you organize TW, greatly 
>> depends on what you do with it.
>>
>> I have flown over both plugins tutorials and I'm going to try them out on 
>> one of my test Wiki's, to see how I can use them. 
>>
>> Your site is amazing. This is definetly the kind of organization I'm 
>> looking forward to achieve.
>>
>> I hope you don't mind me asking this question, but do you use TW for 
>> other purposes ? I'm asking because, I couldn't get my head around a 
>> question, which is, should I use only one Wiki for everything ?
>>
>> To give you an example, I read a lot of books and I take plenty of notes 
>> and I also write extended documentations about computer science. Now, what 
>> I'm doing right now, is creating one Wiki per subject. So I have a Wiki for 
>> programming, one for everything that's related to pentesting, one for 
>> system related things, one containing all my notes on books etc.
>>
>> I don't really know if this is going to be sustainble once I'll start 
>> transfering all the information to TW.
>>
>> Said like this, it might sound trivial, but I feel like if I mess up my 
>> '"entry" in TW, it's going to be hard to get everything straight later on.
>>
>> On Thursday, 26 November 2020 at 20:57:15 UTC+1 springer wrote:
>>
>>> Cl0d, exactly what I find marvelous about TiddlyWiki is how much it can 
>>> be molded to very different purposes. I maintain different TW5 projects for 
>>> different purposes, with different plugin sets and other customizations 
>>> suited to the purposes of each project. 
>>>
>>> Two things that I suspect I do more than most people are:
>>>
>>> (1) Make a dynamic table, using the Shiraz plugin,  for virtually every 
>>> important tag. It offers a great compact way to get the big picture on any 
>>> slice that interests me. I used to use TOC-style tiddlers for this purpose, 
>>> and that structure still has uses, but the dynamic table is more powerful. 
>>> I love that I can structure each such dynamic table to focus on the fields 
>>> that are important for that particular tag. (Of course, you can build a 
>>> dynamic table around criteria other than tags, but that's my main workhorse 
>>> use.) I also tend to populate my stylesheet with tag-specific css, so that 
>>> there are clear visual cues as to which kind of tiddler we're looking at. 
>>> (I use TW for teaching. So, a quiz question tiddler has a look and feel 
>>> that differs from an author-specific tiddler or a 

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki best practices

[Charlie Veniot]

Man, I wish this new Google Groups allowed edits to posts.

... I am always *adjusting* Tiddler Titles (incrementally, iteratively), 
tweaking them ...

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki best practices

[Charlie Veniot]

G'day Cl0d,

So far, my favourite can't-live-without plugins:  Relink 
 and DetailsWidget 
.

I am a "tweaker" by nature.  Like for anything else, I am always Tiddler 
Titles (incrementally, iteratively) tweaking them until I get them 
juust right, as elucidation of information and structural needs comes 
together bit by bit.  I'd be lost without Relink.

DetailsWidget is a simple and wonderful way to structure content.  It 
really helps me visually organize the cognitive mess that is this old 
sponge of mine (I see everything as deeply  intertwingled, i.e. every 
little thing is connected to everything.)  I like being able to see more 
info "right there", without leaving the happy confines of whatever thing 
I'm looking at.

I tend to prefer having multiple TiddlyWiki instances for very clear 
purposes (kind of like the kid who does not like the potatoes touching the 
peas.)  You will see, though, that when there are intersections of largely 
common info, I'm quite happy with one TiddlyWiki handling multiple purposes 
(or contextual views) in one TiddlyWiki.

Here are a few examples of mine for your interest, even if just for the 
$hit$ and the giggle$:


   - *Le P'tit Aurèle 
   * *(my first 
   TiddlyWiki)*
  - a lexicon of Acadian French / un lexique du français acadien
   - *ADHD Slice'n Dice 
   *
   - An "Intertwingularity Mapping" journey with TiddlyWiki about ADHD 
  (inattentive subtype)
   - Product Reviews, which wound up turning into a multi-purpose 
   TiddlyWiki (one TiddlyWiki with a URL parameter for purpose) for:
   - *Product Reviews 
  
*
  - *Urban Off Gridding for Laypersons 
  
*
  - *Hydro Bill Cutting for Laypersons 
  
*
  - *Chromebook: Beyond Web Browsing 
  
*
  - *ORM-ish à la TiddlyWiki 
   * *(my 
   newest project that has all my attention lately)*
  - Using TiddlyWiki for fact-based information modelling and database 
  engineering
   

Cheers, and welcome to TiddlyWikiHood !



On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 3:06:10 PM UTC-4 Cl0d wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> Been using TiddlyWiki for a few weeks now. I'm still learning how to cope 
> with the enormous potential offered by TiddlyWiki.
>
> For example, I discovered today that it was possible to create a dynamic 
> table of content using keywords. 
>
> So I was wondering, what are your best practices, or let's say, advices, 
> for using TiddlyWiki ? How does your "basic wiki" look like ? What plugins 
> and/or custom features do you use ? 
>
> I'm still in a transitional phase, meaning that I'm writing my new notes 
> in TiddlyWiki to get used to it and I'm at the same time trying to discover 
> new tools to organize my future wiki's in the best way possible.
>
> Thanks in advance for every answer.
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki best practices

[springer]

Cl0d,

You'll find people here at both extremes: some use one massive TW5 as a 
repository for everything, figuring that this path makes maximal room for 
connections even across domains that may seem separate.

My own approach is different largely because I like to have TW5 files that 
I can share with different audiences, without worrying that something 
intended for one audience would be distracting or even inappropriate for 
another audience. Obviously, that holds for a project devoted to a 
particular university course. I also set up a TW5 for a committee I chair; 
it's locked down with an encryption password and includes notes that aren't 
appropriately shared except with others on the committee (though I don't 
naively upload anything to an online repository like GitHub that is 
super-sensitive). For another example, folks at the TWGG know that I just 
set up a super-minimal TW5 for hosting the images connected with the 5.1.23 
logo contestants. Anyone who visits that wiki can poke around the "Recent" 
list without being confused by a long list of irrelevant things. Many 
plugins offer demo TW5 pages that are similarly stand-alone. I enjoy 
developing each of my projects with a distinctive color scheme and style 
set so that it feels like I'm arriving in a different "work environment" 
when I shift from one project to another.

Whichever way you go, you should be reassured that dragging tiddlers 
between files, or filtering and exporting a JSON batch and dropping it onto 
a different TW5, allows you to engage in fusion or fission as needed down 
the road.

-Springer
On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 4:13:44 PM UTC-5 Cl0d wrote:

> Thank you for your answer.
>
> It can without a doubt serve, I'd say, unlimited purposes. And the fact 
> that you outlined that, made me realize something I internally knew since 
> the first day I started using TiddlyWiki : the way you organize TW, greatly 
> depends on what you do with it.
>
> I have flown over both plugins tutorials and I'm going to try them out on 
> one of my test Wiki's, to see how I can use them. 
>
> Your site is amazing. This is definetly the kind of organization I'm 
> looking forward to achieve.
>
> I hope you don't mind me asking this question, but do you use TW for other 
> purposes ? I'm asking because, I couldn't get my head around a question, 
> which is, should I use only one Wiki for everything ?
>
> To give you an example, I read a lot of books and I take plenty of notes 
> and I also write extended documentations about computer science. Now, what 
> I'm doing right now, is creating one Wiki per subject. So I have a Wiki for 
> programming, one for everything that's related to pentesting, one for 
> system related things, one containing all my notes on books etc.
>
> I don't really know if this is going to be sustainble once I'll start 
> transfering all the information to TW.
>
> Said like this, it might sound trivial, but I feel like if I mess up my 
> '"entry" in TW, it's going to be hard to get everything straight later on.
>
> On Thursday, 26 November 2020 at 20:57:15 UTC+1 springer wrote:
>
>> Cl0d, exactly what I find marvelous about TiddlyWiki is how much it can 
>> be molded to very different purposes. I maintain different TW5 projects for 
>> different purposes, with different plugin sets and other customizations 
>> suited to the purposes of each project. 
>>
>> Two things that I suspect I do more than most people are:
>>
>> (1) Make a dynamic table, using the Shiraz plugin,  for virtually every 
>> important tag. It offers a great compact way to get the big picture on any 
>> slice that interests me. I used to use TOC-style tiddlers for this purpose, 
>> and that structure still has uses, but the dynamic table is more powerful. 
>> I love that I can structure each such dynamic table to focus on the fields 
>> that are important for that particular tag. (Of course, you can build a 
>> dynamic table around criteria other than tags, but that's my main workhorse 
>> use.) I also tend to populate my stylesheet with tag-specific css, so that 
>> there are clear visual cues as to which kind of tiddler we're looking at. 
>> (I use TW for teaching. So, a quiz question tiddler has a look and feel 
>> that differs from an author-specific tiddler or a definition tiddler or a 
>> tiddler focused on excerpts from the readings, etc.)
>>
>> (2) Liberally employ a "details" GUI for things that I don't want to see 
>> (or don't want to show to students) unless/until it's time to dig in 
>> deeper. I use telmiger's details plugin, because it's super-flexible about 
>> the contents within the details area (allows any formatting or markup you 
>> can think of within the hidden "pocket" area). But to put ordinary text 
>> elaboration into a details "pocket," Shiraz's details function is simple 
>> and great too.
>>
>> If you'd like to poke around on one of my teaching sites, feel free to 
>> visit this link: 
>> 

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki best practices

[Cl0d]

 Thank you for your answer.

It can without a doubt serve, I'd say, unlimited purposes. And the fact 
that you outlined that, made me realize something I internally knew since 
the first day I started using TiddlyWiki : the way you organize TW, greatly 
depends on what you do with it.

I have flown over both plugins tutorials and I'm going to try them out on 
one of my test Wiki's, to see how I can use them. 

Your site is amazing. This is definetly the kind of organization I'm 
looking forward to achieve.

I hope you don't mind me asking this question, but do you use TW for other 
purposes ? I'm asking because, I couldn't get my head around a question, 
which is, should I use only one Wiki for everything ?

To give you an example, I read a lot of books and I take plenty of notes 
and I also write extended documentations about computer science. Now, what 
I'm doing right now, is creating one Wiki per subject. So I have a Wiki for 
programming, one for everything that's related to pentesting, one for 
system related things, one containing all my notes on books etc.

I don't really know if this is going to be sustainble once I'll start 
transfering all the information to TW.

Said like this, it might sound trivial, but I feel like if I mess up my 
'"entry" in TW, it's going to be hard to get everything straight later on.

On Thursday, 26 November 2020 at 20:57:15 UTC+1 springer wrote:

> Cl0d, exactly what I find marvelous about TiddlyWiki is how much it can be 
> molded to very different purposes. I maintain different TW5 projects for 
> different purposes, with different plugin sets and other customizations 
> suited to the purposes of each project. 
>
> Two things that I suspect I do more than most people are:
>
> (1) Make a dynamic table, using the Shiraz plugin,  for virtually every 
> important tag. It offers a great compact way to get the big picture on any 
> slice that interests me. I used to use TOC-style tiddlers for this purpose, 
> and that structure still has uses, but the dynamic table is more powerful. 
> I love that I can structure each such dynamic table to focus on the fields 
> that are important for that particular tag. (Of course, you can build a 
> dynamic table around criteria other than tags, but that's my main workhorse 
> use.) I also tend to populate my stylesheet with tag-specific css, so that 
> there are clear visual cues as to which kind of tiddler we're looking at. 
> (I use TW for teaching. So, a quiz question tiddler has a look and feel 
> that differs from an author-specific tiddler or a definition tiddler or a 
> tiddler focused on excerpts from the readings, etc.)
>
> (2) Liberally employ a "details" GUI for things that I don't want to see 
> (or don't want to show to students) unless/until it's time to dig in 
> deeper. I use telmiger's details plugin, because it's super-flexible about 
> the contents within the details area (allows any formatting or markup you 
> can think of within the hidden "pocket" area). But to put ordinary text 
> elaboration into a details "pocket," Shiraz's details function is simple 
> and great too.
>
> If you'd like to poke around on one of my teaching sites, feel free to 
> visit this link: 
> https://springerspandrel.github.io/tw/ethicsatwes.html#TiddlyWiki
>
> Enjoy the adventure of discovering the possibilities!
>
> -Springer 
> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 2:06:10 PM UTC-5 Cl0d wrote:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> Been using TiddlyWiki for a few weeks now. I'm still learning how to cope 
>> with the enormous potential offered by TiddlyWiki.
>>
>> For example, I discovered today that it was possible to create a dynamic 
>> table of content using keywords. 
>>
>> So I was wondering, what are your best practices, or let's say, advices, 
>> for using TiddlyWiki ? How does your "basic wiki" look like ? What plugins 
>> and/or custom features do you use ? 
>>
>> I'm still in a transitional phase, meaning that I'm writing my new notes 
>> in TiddlyWiki to get used to it and I'm at the same time trying to discover 
>> new tools to organize my future wiki's in the best way possible.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for every answer.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki best practices

[springer]

Cl0d, exactly what I find marvelous about TiddlyWiki is how much it can be 
molded to very different purposes. I maintain different TW5 projects for 
different purposes, with different plugin sets and other customizations 
suited to the purposes of each project. 

Two things that I suspect I do more than most people are:

(1) Make a dynamic table, using the Shiraz plugin,  for virtually every 
important tag. It offers a great compact way to get the big picture on any 
slice that interests me. I used to use TOC-style tiddlers for this purpose, 
and that structure still has uses, but the dynamic table is more powerful. 
I love that I can structure each such dynamic table to focus on the fields 
that are important for that particular tag. (Of course, you can build a 
dynamic table around criteria other than tags, but that's my main workhorse 
use.) I also tend to populate my stylesheet with tag-specific css, so that 
there are clear visual cues as to which kind of tiddler we're looking at. 
(I use TW for teaching. So, a quiz question tiddler has a look and feel 
that differs from an author-specific tiddler or a definition tiddler or a 
tiddler focused on excerpts from the readings, etc.)

(2) Liberally employ a "details" GUI for things that I don't want to see 
(or don't want to show to students) unless/until it's time to dig in 
deeper. I use telmiger's details plugin, because it's super-flexible about 
the contents within the details area (allows any formatting or markup you 
can think of within the hidden "pocket" area). But to put ordinary text 
elaboration into a details "pocket," Shiraz's details function is simple 
and great too.

If you'd like to poke around on one of my teaching sites, feel free to 
visit this 
link: https://springerspandrel.github.io/tw/ethicsatwes.html#TiddlyWiki

Enjoy the adventure of discovering the possibilities!

-Springer 
On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 2:06:10 PM UTC-5 Cl0d wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> Been using TiddlyWiki for a few weeks now. I'm still learning how to cope 
> with the enormous potential offered by TiddlyWiki.
>
> For example, I discovered today that it was possible to create a dynamic 
> table of content using keywords. 
>
> So I was wondering, what are your best practices, or let's say, advices, 
> for using TiddlyWiki ? How does your "basic wiki" look like ? What plugins 
> and/or custom features do you use ? 
>
> I'm still in a transitional phase, meaning that I'm writing my new notes 
> in TiddlyWiki to get used to it and I'm at the same time trying to discover 
> new tools to organize my future wiki's in the best way possible.
>
> Thanks in advance for every answer.
>

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