Re: [Trisquel-users] Email riseup.net (I need help)
Perhaps you're talking about the invitation codes. If so, I have two news for you, one bad and one good. The good news is that I do have a Riseup.net account. The bad news is that I can't simply give you the code, please don't misunderstand me, but instead, read the following quote from https://user.riseup.net/user/invites “You can invite people you know to create riseup.net accounts by creating invite codes. It requires an invite code from two different people in order to create an account. WARNING: If you give an invite code to somebody you don't know, we may close your account.” Alternatively, you can create an account without using invitation codes, but this will require you to show a reasonable statement showing why you want to use Riseup.net.
[Trisquel-users] Re : What do you think of Steam coming to Gnu/Linux.
I am not a native English speaker but the first definition of permissive in Dictionary.com perfectly matches licenses such as the BSD: tolerant of something, as social behavior or linguistic usage, that others might disapprove or forbid. In our case, the something is turning the application proprietary and others (copylefted licenses such as the GPL) forbids it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Email riseup.net (I need help)
On Sun, 2013-02-03 at 12:00 +0100, trisquel-users-requ...@listas.trisquel.info wrote: [Trisquel-users] Email riseup.net (I need help) You don't need codes from riseup users just put something in the what activist you are box and your request will be accepted in 4 or 5 hours!
[Trisquel-users] About Raling Linux Drivers and Trisquel 5.5
I wrote an e-mail, asking Ralink, If those linux drivers posted on their website are propietary or Libre? This was their e-mail reply: Ralink Tech Inc. * 5F., No.36, Taiyuan St., Jhubei City, * Hsinchu County 302, * Taiwan, R.O.C. * * (c) Copyright 2002-2010, Ralink Technology, Inc. * * This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify * * it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by * * the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or * * (at your option) any later version. * * * * This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, * * but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of* * MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the * * GNU General Public License for more details. * * * * You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License * * along with this program; if not, write to the * * Free Software Foundation, Inc., * * 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. * * * */ My question is: WHY THE CUSTODIANS OF Trisquel, KEEP LOCKING THOSE DRIVERS? Apparently they are using GNU LIBRE DRIVERS?
Re: [Trisquel-users] What do you think of Steam coming to Gnu/Linux.
The word permissive definitely has positive connotations, though. If something is described as permissive, it's usually taken to be a good thing. If someone didn't know much about licensing, and they heard that the BSD license is permissive, and the GPL is not, they might conclude (erroneously) that the BSD license is superior. That's something that we don't want to have happen.
[Trisquel-users] Why does Trisquel still default to XFS for home?
I was loading up the latest Trisquel 6 test ISO in a virtual machine the other day did a 10 GB image just to play around with and see how the status of it is. There are actually two things I noticed by lettig Trisquel handle my partitioning during that part of the install: 1. The installer makes the / directory WAY too small and when I tested out installing new packages, I kept getting warnings about running out of hard drive space. The HOME directory of course was large and in charge, but I feel like the ratio was really small. Of course when I do a real install, I plan out the partition sizes and leave myself enough room. 2. What is the need to use XFS as the default HOME directory? I know that with Ubuntu 12.04 and above, the EXT4 file system is pretty solid and actually very good for those with SSDs. Another issue is that the XFS partitions cannot be resized which could cause issues in the future. I know my test was in a virtual machine, but even then I couldn't resize the partition to allow some more space. Maybe it is time to switch to EXT4 by default for / and HOME partitions? I know these two things can be fixed by simply using the manual partitioning tool in the install and knowing what to look for, but I'm concerned about those who just let Trisquel do the work for them. Of course this OS is tailored towards the hardcore of the hardcore who already know how to manually partition their drives well by now.
[Trisquel-users] Re : About Raling Linux Drivers and Trisquel 5.5
The firmware, i.e. the code the Wifi card (and not the CU) executes, probably is proprietary. Check it out.
[Trisquel-users] Re : Why does Trisquel still default to XFS for home?
I guess 16 GB for the root partition (if the device has at least twice this size) would indeed avoid future disk full problems. /home contains files organized with XFS (by default) because this filesystem is known to provide better performances when managing large files. Anyway, I agree that the restriction on shrinking this filesystem is problematic (especially in conjunction with a too small root partition).
Re: [Trisquel-users] What do you think of Steam coming to Gnu/Linux.
I really don't think permissive has either a positive or a negative connotation. It's a relinquishment of control, and that can be a good or bad thing depending on the circumstances. Regardless of copyleft licenses such as the GPL being a good thing, they don't relinquish control and are certainly not permissive; they give the right to use, modify, and redistribute under certain conditions. The copyright holder still has some control; that's how the code is prevented from becoming nonfree. I really don't think we need to sugar-coat our language like that. Copyleft licenses are not all that permissive, but some of them are still free (I say some of them because a noncommercial license like CC BY-NC-SA is nonfree). Just point out that copyleft only prevents people from taking away your freedom; it makes the four freedoms inalienable rights. Someone in power has to enforce that, just like the government has to enforce your right to speak.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Why does Trisquel still default to XFS for home?
I was using tests from http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=reiser4_linux35num=1 and http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=linux_37_fsthreenum=1 in the comparisons for speed and such. I know with some tests they are pretty even, but is EXT4 getting more love than XFS from the kernel devs and community at large?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Why does Trisquel still default to XFS for home?
If XFS continues to be used, I would argue to, if the space is available, put in a huge excess of space for /, like 32 GB. Though I tend to agree that ext4 would be a better choice despite performance benefits of XFS.
Re: [Trisquel-users] About Raling Linux Drivers and Trisquel 5.5
While the driver is free that alone doesn't make the device work. The real work is done by proprietary software that the driver loads. So the free driver is, really, just a sham but they still get to proclaim to the world that they have free drivers because that's technically true and have people think that they can use the device in freedom. Don't believe them. Don't fall for it. It's totally bogus.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Why does Trisquel still default to XFS for home?
Do you people really resize you're file systems that often so that something like this is becoming an actual problem ?
Re: [Trisquel-users] What do you think of Steam coming to Gnu/Linux.
No offense, but if posting such reply at 3 in the morning is what you call reality.. well then there's bigger issue of yours than my ramble about overall Steam experience.
Re: [Trisquel-users] About Raling Linux Drivers and Trisquel 5.5
I understand you didn't know what the problem with these drivers are so don't feel like this is an attack on you. I'm just commenting on the amount of complaining done because ones learned software or hardware isn't supported. What I'm amazed at is the number of people who want to turn GNU/Linux into Microsoft Windows or Mac OS X. If your going to accept the non-free bits then why not just switch to one of the operating systems which have that developmental philosophy? If your going to gain from GNU/Linux you want to avoid as much of the non-free software as possible. This isn't though some a comment about that though. There are developers in this wide GNU/Linux community who are obsessed with Mac and don't care about the philosophy at all. Again- I ask why are you using GNU/Linux? Stop trying to turn GNU/Linux into Mac OS X. I'm OK with improvements and changes whose ideas are inspired or taken from others. However when you start cloning little UI changes that make the system harder for the average user I'm going to disagree with those changes. There have been a number of things I have felt were cloned from Apple and/or Microsoft which were really bad UI choices (on Apple / Microsoft's part or badly cloned maybe).
Re: [Trisquel-users] Why does Trisquel still default to XFS for home?
You don't need to resize your partitions often for this to become a problem. If you /ever/ have to resize your partitions down the road, not being able to do it is a hassle. Say, for example, you want to install another GNU/Linux distro, like Parabola, alongside Trisquel. If all remaining space is taken up by an XFS partition, you might have to completely delete that partition and recreate it with a backup, then you might have to get existing systems (i.e. Trisquel) to accept the new partition as /home or completely reinstall the existing systems.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Why does Trisquel still default to XFS for home?
True- I have to say thought installing multiple operating systems can be a hassle/problem though with or without resizing. Though one less hassle is always a good thing.
[Trisquel-users] Re : Why does Trisquel still default to XFS for home?
The problem is that the default root partition of Trisquel is small (although I do not remember the exact size: 8 GB maybe?). If full, you need to gain place on another partition, that is to say /home (the only other partition in the default install)... and /home is in an XFS partition that cannot be shrunk.
[Trisquel-users] Suspend on Toshiba Satellite A210-10W broken
As stated in the title, after running suspend, the laptop goes to 'sleep' but when I want to wake it up the disk starts spinning up but the screen is constantly black and doesn't respond to anything, after a 5-10 seconds the CPU fan starts spinning at max speed as well. It doesn't even manage to get the network adapter running since I can't even ssh into it at that time, says host not found. At that I have to force shutdown the laptop holding the shutdown key. I have updated to the latest 3.7.5 libre kernel, and it's still doing the same thing. Tried it out with a liveCD of Mint, and suspend works fine.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Suspend on Toshiba Satellite A210-10W broken
Oh yes, I've done some searching around and seems people have reported similar things with their Satellites, 2 fixes were apprently to add toshiba_acpi to /etc/modules and removing network-manager. Unfortunately, neither worked.
Re: [Trisquel-users] About Raling Linux Drivers and Trisquel 5.5
Christ, JXSELF, MAGIC BANANA, When I e-mail then was during my previous forum. Finally, they decided to answer me. I posted it, because their answer, was a bit confusing. That's all! Yet, I think of it informative to share with others and I just want to read what the pro's of Trisquel what would said?. For the record: I'm not attacking trisquel, I want to learn and understand the Free and Propietary differences and I don't use windows at all, I do all my clerical work with my laptop that is holding trisquel OSI. My old laptop will be upgraded pretty soon with some of the free hardware, , that includes building a PC from parts of the Penguin store.
Re: [Trisquel-users] What do you think of Steam coming to Gnu/Linux.
I thought there were some browser compatibility problems with HTML5, namely Internet Explorer. If that's the case that would easily keep sites from using it. Although that is an area that changes rapidly and I haven't been good about keeping up with the changes. My one huge concern regarding flash is that adobe can change things and just break compatibility. As everyone knows it's a ton of work just to get caught up with their latest release of flash. It would be a huge waste of resources to try and keep up with all of the adobe changes if they were doing it just to try and ruin compatibility with a free software alternative. If flash were an open standard then it would make a bit more sense.
Re: [Trisquel-users] About Raling Linux Drivers and Trisquel 5.5
:) I don't think he was trying to attack you. As you said yourself the company was unclear and he was trying to help by correcting the wrong information which was provided.
Re: [Trisquel-users] About Raling Linux Drivers and Trisquel 5.5
Also, I have heard of companies releasing binary firmwares under the GPL, but not the source. In such a case people can hack on the binary but that is difficult. The company still has power over its users. It's possible that this is not the case in this situation though.
Re: [Trisquel-users] About Raling Linux Drivers and Trisquel 5.5
On Sun, 2013-02-03 at 23:46 +0100, andrew.rof...@student.qut.edu.au
wrote:
Also, I have heard of companies releasing binary firmwares under the GPL, but
not the source.
Err.. that's doesn't make sense as I understand the GPL; it requires the
source to be made available and for it to be in the form it's usually
edited in.
Of course it wouldn't be the first time a company has said something
stupid.
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Re: [Trisquel-users] About Raling Linux Drivers and Trisquel 5.5
The copyright holder doesn't have to distribute the work under the terms of the license because he/she/it already has complete permission to distribute it in any way he/she/it wants under copyright. Actually, I'm not entirely sure, but I think that if software is distributed under the GPL without source code ever being provided, it is not possible for anyone else to redistribute it at all under those terms, because as you mention, distributing under the terms of the GPL requires either including the source code or providing it on request. If that's true, releasing something under the GPL, but not ever releasing the source, is no different from using no license at all in practice. Whether or not this is the case depends on whether the copyright holder's refusal to provide the source code so that you can comply with the license prevents them from successfully suing you.
Re: [Trisquel-users] About Raling Linux Drivers and Trisquel 5.5
I tried searching through my bookmarks to see if I kept the link I read, but no luck. But I did find another example with an internet search: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/03/msg01895.html I think that if software is distributed under the GPL without source code ever being provided, it is not possible for anyone else to redistribute it at all under those terms, Maybe... or maybe the binary and source are initially the same thing if the binary is GPL'd by the author. The definition of source in the GPL: The “source code” for a work means the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it. “Object code” means any non-source form of a work.
[Trisquel-users] Fwd: [Support] trisqel accessibility information
Hi, I have reports that the AMD64 version of the Trisquel pre-release is not available. Furthermore, Orca, on the 32-bit version will not speak when user tries booting on an AMD cpu. Can anyone with an AMD 8K confirm this? I do not have one available. Cheers, Dave H. Begin forwarded message: From: Jude DaShiell jdash...@shellworld.net Date: February 3, 2013 7:58:52 PM EST To: supp...@accessiblefreedom.org Subject: Re: [Support] trisqel accessibility information Booting the version of trisqel Dave Hunt pointed me at which passed its md5sum check on an amd k8 just made the speakers pop. Booting that same disk on a real intel machine though did get orca up and talking. I suspect the two versions of orca are now different enough that what the amd k8 can do for intel emulation isn't enough for the intel version of orca any longer. The amd version was also not current and wasn't on the page Dave Hunt pointed me to either. --- jude jdash...@shellworld.net Remember Microsoft didn't write Tiger 10.4 or any of its successors. ___ Support mailing list supp...@accessiblefreedom.org http://accessiblefreedom.org/mailman/listinfo/support_accessiblefreedom.org
Re: [Trisquel-users] Why does Trisquel still default to XFS for home?
On 13-02-03 11:36 AM, tegskywal...@hotmail.com wrote: I was loading up the latest Trisquel 6 test ISO in a virtual machine the other day did a 10 GB image just to play around with and see how the status of it is. There are actually two things I noticed by lettig Trisquel handle my partitioning during that part of the install: 1. The installer makes the / directory WAY too small and when I tested out installing new packages, I kept getting warnings about running out of hard drive space. The HOME directory of course was large and in charge, but I feel like the ratio was really small. Of course when I do a real install, I plan out the partition sizes and leave myself enough room. I filed a bug about this a while ago, haven't heard back about it: http://trisquel.info/en/forum/root-has-4757-mb-free-space#comment-20075 https://trisquel.info/en/issues/4879 If you're seing the same issue in the Trisquel 6 installer, please comment on that one. Since then I always use manual partitioning. 2. What is the need to use XFS as the default HOME directory? I know that with Ubuntu 12.04 and above, the EXT4 file system is pretty solid and actually very good for those with SSDs. Another issue is that the XFS partitions cannot be resized which could cause issues in the future. I know my test was in a virtual machine, but even then I couldn't resize the partition to allow some more space. Maybe it is time to switch to EXT4 by default for / and HOME partitions? I know these two things can be fixed by simply using the manual partitioning tool in the install and knowing what to look for, but I'm concerned about those who just let Trisquel do the work for them. Of course this OS is tailored towards the hardcore of the hardcore who already know how to manually partition their drives well by now. Performance, although I'd argue it's not measurable unless you are using your system for a file server of some sort or regularly access huge files - which owuldn't be Trisquel's target user though. This also means I can't just hand over a CD without proper warnings/handholding :( F. -- Fabián Rodríguez http://fsf.magicfab.ca
Re: [Trisquel-users] About Raling Linux Drivers and Trisquel 5.5
onp...@gmail.com wrote .. The copyright holder doesn't have to distribute the work under the terms of the license because he/she/it already has complete permission to distribute it in any way he/she/it wants under copyright. Actually, I'm not entirely sure, but I think that if software is distributed under the GPL without source code ever being provided, it is not possible for anyone else to redistribute it at all under those terms, because as you mention, distributing under the terms of the GPL requires either including the source code or providing it on request. If that's true, releasing something under the GPL, but not ever releasing the source, is no different from using no license at all in practice. Whether or not this is the case depends on whether the copyright holder's refusal to provide the source code so that you can comply with the license prevents them from successfully suing you. As you say, there's no harm to the copyright holder but third parties can't comply with the GPL since they have no source to offer. In these cases it triggers the GPL's Liberty Or Death clause, which essentially says Freeze! and the program becomes undistributable. Linux-libre neatly steps around this problem by deleting these problematic areas.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Why does Trisquel still default to XFS for home?
Hello all, I am new to Trisquel. I am having a lot of queries. Including this one..
[Trisquel-users] Introducing linux-libre-announce
If you're using my APT repository [0] I wanted to mention that an announcement list [1] is now available. The primary intended use is to be able to communicate with people using my repository and let them know when kernel packaged are being end-of-lifed (in cases where they're following version-specific branches), etc. It will be very low volume. [0] http://jxself.org/linux-libre [1] http://jxself.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-libre-announce
Re: [Trisquel-users] off-topic (maybe): petition to re-legalize unlocking cell phones in USA
I don't believe it is necessary to pay anybody to get your phone unlocked. Just calling up the provider after the phone is beyond the contract period is sufficient. They will then provide a code at no cost to you.
