[Trisquel-users] I freed my phone!!!

2015-01-22 Thread shiretoko

Hey everybody!
I'm really happy right now because my plan to free my smartphone worked!!
I had an galaxy s4 and decided to sell it and buy a galaxy s2 instead.
When i finally got it, i installed replicant on it - it was very easy!!
Actually i imagined the whole process to be a lot more time consuming and  
complicated; i encourage everybody to do the same thing, it's just such an  
awesome feeling.
Can't tell how much it bothered me that all this proprietary shit was running  
on my device and i wasn't even allowed to remove certain applications; that's  
over now!
and i feel very... privileged I would say. Like, i'm one of very few people  
that own a phone with an 100% free operating system; a phone that doesn't  
treat my like dirt, as least when it comes to the OS.


It's true, running a phone with a free os means sacrificing a lot more  
functionality than running a freed pc;

but honestly, do i really need all this stuff?
Replicant looks really nice, feels stable and smooth and i can do a lot with  
it, like navigation (OsmAnd), making voip calls (webrtc), browse the internet  
(even with tor), check the weather...
As soon as i got my owncloud running again, i think things will be quite  
convenient.


Next problem is my tablet... a lot more difficult than my phone. Currently  
i'm wondering if i really need this device or if a galaxy tab 2 with  
replicant would be acceptable for me.

It's kind of hard... no videos whatsoever, slow 2d graphics...
a tablet with cyanogenmod is another option, but i think the non-free  
components would just bother me too much. I just know that i can't accept the  
current situation... i don't even have root access for this device and the  
google play store is running all the time!


I like watching anime really much, and well, in fullhd that's just awesome...
But i really wonder whether i need this on my tablet so bad.

Anyway, if you think about freeing your phone, just do it!
It feels GREAT!


Re: [Trisquel-users] Laptop doesn't resume when closing the top lid

2015-01-22 Thread janprunk

@ Magic Banana - I use LXDE not sure to which System settings you refer...
@ lembas - It resumes when the lid is not closed, yes


Re: [Trisquel-users] Problem with the output to the external Monitor

2015-01-22 Thread janprunk

bump


Re: [Trisquel-users] Citizenfour

2015-01-22 Thread maestro

thx poglako for your offer but it is finally out!!
https://torrentz.eu/search?q=citizenfour




Re: [Trisquel-users] I freed my phone!!!

2015-01-22 Thread shiretoko

No, there are no replicant devices that can play videos at the moment :/
not a single one even supports wifi...


Re: [Trisquel-users] Volume Filesystem Root Warning, lack of space and huge log files

2015-01-22 Thread maestro

bleachbit the bjatch! (but first take a look at the logs.yes)


Re: [Trisquel-users] My family has smart TVs and I am scared.

2015-01-22 Thread davidvargas1

That chestnut was cut down for not bearing fruits of truth


Re: [Trisquel-users] I freed my phone!!!

2015-01-22 Thread mail

Congratz! :)
I think it's kind of fair to consider the lack of features a good thing- too  
often do I see people that take out their phones every couple of seconds,  
even during conversations.
PS: You could get some manga to supplement the lack of anime, either by  
actual print copies or by scanlations on the phone's web-browser.


Re: [Trisquel-users] I freed my phone!!!

2015-01-22 Thread maestro

nicely done quantum!


Re: [Trisquel-users] Volume Filesystem Root Warning, lack of space and huge log files

2015-01-22 Thread onpon4
My dad also encountered something like this when he upgraded to Trisquel 7  
(by using the option to upgrade to the new release). He ended up reverting  
back to Trisquel 6. Maybe the release upgrade is leaving behind stuff that  
shouldn't be there?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Basic security questions

2015-01-22 Thread shiretoko
If freedom is your goal and you're willing to make some compromises (like  
running a proprietary bios) then you can use a smartphone, but you should buy  
a phone that is supported by replicant.
Cyanogenmod is besides replicant afaik the best choice at the moment; at  
least your system is rooted. Remove the google play store and install f-droid  
instead; remove all proprietary apps and run only free ones.

Of course, using replicant is much better and i would recommend that!

Now, if you're really concerned about privacy - if you're a journalist or  
political activist, for instance - then don't use any cellphone.
I think the only thing you can use under those circumstances is a thinkpad  
with a free bios, a replaced wifi card which doesn't require any non-free  
components and tails as an operating system.
Tails ships with proprietary firmware so you really have to watch out that  
your device won't use it, i.e. that every component works with free firmware.
Still you will be vulnerable to hardware backdoors and a few pieces of  
proprietary firmware on the device, such as the hard disk firmware.
Considering all that, i actually would advice against using any pc or any  
technology whatsoever - if you really can't make any compromise when it comes  
to privacy.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Canonical?

2015-01-22 Thread maestro

well. now i'm confused..
rainteller we are no longer friends!
 :)


[Trisquel-users] Re : Volume Filesystem Root Warning, lack of space and huge log files

2015-01-22 Thread lcerf
And the obvious 'sudo apt-get clean' to remove the .deb packages from  
/var/cache/apt/archives.


Re: [Trisquel-users] My family has smart TVs and I am scared.

2015-01-22 Thread maestro

Under the spreading chestnut tree
I sold you and you sold me
There lie they, and here lie we
Under the spreading chestnut tree 


Re: [Trisquel-users] No picture in guvcview

2015-01-22 Thread catfishagain
Thanks for the reply. I have all those packages and I've messed with every  
setting I can find. I'm using 64bit but if I know someone has it working I  
guess it must be at my end. Thanks again.


[Trisquel-users] Mozilla WONTFIX'd request for license field in its app marketplace

2015-01-22 Thread t8mf4nu6lizp
We earlier discussed how Mozilla decided to embrace DRM here  
https://trisquel.info/en/forum/drm-cdm-eme-and-mozilla


Looks like yet another Mozilla misstep...

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=805073

Our mission is to promote openness, innovation  opportunity on the Web.

At Mozilla, we’re a global community of technologists, thinkers and  
builders working together to keep the Internet alive and accessible, so  
people worldwide can be informed contributors and creators of the Web. We  
believe this act of human collaboration across an open platform is essential  
to individual growth and our collective future.

-- https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/mission/

Ha!



Re: [Trisquel-users] Volume Filesystem Root Warning, lack of space and huge log files

2015-01-22 Thread t8mf4nu6lizp
No, that's not normal. You can delete the logs (they're there for your  
information only) but first you should see what's filling them up to help you  
avoid this in the future.


One thing that is filling the root partition are old kernels, you probably  
want to get rid of those as well. And the APT cache can get pretty large,  
can't remember whether it's enabled by default or not.


Re: [Trisquel-users] My family has smart TVs and I am scared.

2015-01-22 Thread davesamcdxv
Ah, maybe we should start a newspeak forum, and talk about making RMS and the  
protagonists in the revolutionary war unpersons.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Mozilla WONTFIX'd request for license field in its app marketplace

2015-01-22 Thread Andrew Roffey
Yeah that sounds familiar. In late 2012 I filed a bug report about the
proprietary software being distributed by Mozilla and it also got WONTFIX'd:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=817856

Mozilla doesn't seem to be too bothered to even display licenses in the
add-ons manager (this one was reported in 2011):

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=624602

Andrew


Re: [Trisquel-users] My family has smart TVs and I am scared.

2015-01-22 Thread davidvargas1

SuperTramp83 said:

 I threw away my dumb tv 3 or 4 years ago. My brain thanks me every day. It  
whispers to me: thank you, thank you , you are awesome! :)



 That was a ignorant, you could gave sold them! or you could had use them as  
monitor, if they were compatible.

Bad insipid move Mr.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Wireless won't work :-(

2015-01-22 Thread matt . ivie
I ran into this on a Dell E6500 so I took out the WiFi card that was  
installed internally and bought an Atheros for about $15 on amazon. It  
installed in the same slot and was detected instantly. Look on H-node for  
supported chipsets and make sure you buy the right style card for your  
machine.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Citizenfour

2015-01-22 Thread gary02121993

Thanks for pointing out that too though :)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Citizenfour

2015-01-22 Thread gary02121993
Honestly I think the ones here in Kickass Torrents are better, and next to  
Pirate Bay's quality:https://kickass.so/usearch/citizenfour/




Re: [Trisquel-users] My router is now running LibreCMC

2015-01-22 Thread t8mf4nu6lizp
For one thing looks like it's using Linux. So, you get an assortment of  
non-free firmware.


No wonder most people believe Linux is entirely GPL'd because that's what  
they claim!  
https://www.kernel.org/category/faq.html#is-linux-kernel-free-software


Yet it contains binary blobs with all kind of crazy licenses  
https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git/tree/firmware/WHENCE


Re: [Trisquel-users] Achieving native 1680x1050 resolution in Syncmaster 2253BW monitor

2015-01-22 Thread amenex

Until this afternoon, I was despondent and whined:
 Just where do I find the specific download of a Trisquel-compatible driver  
for this Intel D865GLC mobo's integrated graphics at the Intel.com website ?


... until a short while (about an hour) after the anticipated motherboard  
arrived.  I swapped the various drives, transferred my two memory modules  
purchased for the HP 6430NX, hunted down an extra affixing screw for this  
slightly larger board, found all the appropriate sockets scattered hither   
yon, and got it all together with nothing left over. The Intel D865GLC  
motherboard fit in place of the HP 6430NX's motherboard with only an extra  
screw hole, and there is even a socket for that, would you believe. After a  
short pause at the BIOS settings, Trisquel booted up with nary a complaint,  
and _voila_ ! got the desired resolution in the SyncMaster 2253BW monitor:  
1680x1050. No additional drivers for which to search. Nice !


Thanks to all who steered me in the correct directions.  Got it all done for  
half the $200+/- that *icro *enter would have charged me for their  
oft-advertised but not-in-stock Linux desktop model.


This Trisquel installation is now fully free, except for the three  
now-superfluous but functional graphics cards, one of which I can return.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Having latest linux-libre available in repos

2015-01-22 Thread legimet . calc
I guess wait until the next point release of Ubuntu 14.04, which will use  
3.16 (which will reach Trisquel deblobbed)


https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack#Kernel.2BAC8-Support.A14.04.x_Ubuntu_Kernel_Support


Re: [Trisquel-users] Printer suggestions for HP Pavilion 15?

2015-01-22 Thread gary02121993

Thanks! Was really helpful!


Re: [Trisquel-users] Basic security questions

2015-01-22 Thread t8mf4nu6lizp
May I suggest you read these books to strengthen your resolve. I guess the  
bio would be the lighter reading to get you started. I found both books  
excellent.


http://shop.fsf.org/product/book_bundle/

(Buy them if you have the money, download if you don't.)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Lost Internet Connection upon upgrading to Trisquel 7

2015-01-22 Thread aferyok

Thanks.
I have never added anything from any repository.  I am using wired (DSL).  I  
still have my 6 live media (DVD).  And, yes, when I used it live, it did  
connect to the Internet.  I will try the lspci command when I get home from  
work in 3.5 hours.  (The only kernel I use is the one that Trisquel has and  
sends updates for.)

Also, I think I will experiment with DHCP versus PPPoE settings, etc.


[Trisquel-users] Re : Problem with the output to the external Monitor

2015-01-22 Thread lcerf
You could try a more recent kernel taken from Jason Self's repository:  
http://jxself.org/linux-libre/


I doubt it would change anything but it is worth a try.


[Trisquel-users] ChromiumOS

2015-01-22 Thread mail
What exactly is non-free about ChromiumOS? I presume the kernel is, but I  
can't find anything else.


[Trisquel-users] Tutanota - finally, an alternative to OpenMailBox!

2015-01-22 Thread myself600
Already for some time, OpenMailBox was the only email service provider  
available that combined the convenience of free personal accounts with  
ethical aspects by running exclusively on free software (Roundcube for  
webmail, and OwnCloud for cloud storage). Yesterday, I have learnt about a  
German startup called Tutanota which provides an end-to-end encrypted webmail  
client and email service, similar what Mailpile is trying to achieve. The  
registration is very simple and the web interface is clean and elegant.




More info:  
https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/secure-email-provider-tutanota-open-source/




Re: [Trisquel-users] No picture in guvcview

2015-01-22 Thread catfishagain

It's on Lenovo g580 i3 with Creative Labs Live Cam
Curiously forgot about vlc but on T6 it was terrible.
Just tried VLC now and with 100ms caching it seems almost perfect.
;) Thanks


Re: [Trisquel-users] Where are all the security updates?

2015-01-22 Thread legimet . calc
If you're using the standard GNOME edition of Trisquel, there should be a  
program called Update Manager that pops up.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Basic security questions

2015-01-22 Thread mail
Whenever you're tempted by a proprietary application, look for alternatives.  
For example, you could've installed Chromium, the Free Software version of  
Chrome. (Although it recommends proprietary plugins. Beware.)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Basic security questions

2015-01-22 Thread svhaab
Can you write more about the hard drive firmware issue? How can it compromise  
security? Can the firmware on a hard drive, or any other hardware firmware  
initiate fx keylogging and spying on files? If the  
https://www.crowdsupply.com/purism/librem-laptop gets fsf approval, then it  
will have to do without a hard drive, because the hard drive may compromise  
the computer as such?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Basic security questions

2015-01-22 Thread maestro
I once asked Schneier how much of a threat is the proprietary bios and the  
firmware in our laptops.

His answer was: Against a State? Considerable!


Re: [Trisquel-users] Basic security questions

2015-01-22 Thread svhaab
Can you write more about the hard drive firmware issue? How can it compromise  
security? Can the firmware on a hard drive, or any other hardware firmware  
initiate fx keylogging and spying on files? If the  
https://www.crowdsupply.com/purism/librem-laptop gets fsf approval, then it  
will have to do without a hard drive, because the hard drive may compromise  
the computer as such?


Re: [Trisquel-users] No picture in guvcview

2015-01-22 Thread bert . frohn

Did you get one or more error messages when starting guvcview in a terminal?
Out of curiosity, I will install it on a 64bit machine this weekend to see  
what happens.


Re: [Trisquel-users] No picture in guvcview

2015-01-22 Thread tempaccount325
It might help if you include the hardware that you are trying this on. I  
recall getting a very similar error on an Asus EEE 1001P for the default  
configuration on guvcview, but unfortunately I did not have time to chase  
this issue at the time and I not longer have that laptop ( I was able to view  
camera output in vlc and that was the only thing I tried ).
I am currently using guvcview on a Samsung-NP530U4B and it's working very  
well on the default configuration. 


[Trisquel-users] Terminal and Nautius hang

2015-01-22 Thread rohnnsanderson
Hope somebody out there has some thoughts I have recently started using  
Trisquel, love the design but after a week I am having one issue. There are  
times when either the terminal or nautilus give me a starting ... prompt and  
then disappear and don't open. If I reboot everything is ok for a while but  
eventually happens again. I thought it might be the hard drive but a scan  
says it is ok. Any thoughts would be appreciated.


Re: [Trisquel-users] No picture in guvcview

2015-01-22 Thread catfishagain

ALSA lib pcm.c:2239:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM cards.pcm.rear
ALSA lib pcm.c:2239:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM cards.pcm.center_lfe
ALSA lib pcm.c:2239:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM cards.pcm.side
bt_audio_service_open: connect() failed: Connection refused (111)
Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
Cannot connect to server request channel
jack server is not running or cannot be started

If I change the video output to MJPG I get
Ignoring empty buffer ...
Ignoring empty buffer ...
Ignoring empty buffer ... forever and ever


[Trisquel-users] Quidam in the next Linux Action Show

2015-01-22 Thread lcerf
This Sunday, quidam (leader of the Trisquel project) will be speaking in the  
Linux Action Show and answer some of those questions:  
https://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxActionShow/comments/2t7qwq/sundays_las_will_feature_a_trisquel_developer/


Re: [Trisquel-users] Quidam in the next Linux Action Show

2015-01-22 Thread lcerf
More information here:  
https://trisquel.info/en/trisquel-will-be-featured-linuxactionshow-sunday-25th


Re: [Trisquel-users] Basic security questions

2015-01-22 Thread t8mf4nu6lizp
I believe this presentation will answer some of your questions and shock you  
https://www.blackhat.com/html/bh-us-12/bh-us-12-briefings.html#Brossard


 Can the firmware on a hard drive, or any other hardware firmware initiate  
fx keylogging and spying on files?


Yes.

 If the https://www.crowdsupply.com/purism/librem-laptop gets fsf approval,  
then it will have to do without a hard drive, because the hard drive may  
compromise the computer as such?


No. There is already one laptop with fsf recommendation and it comes with a  
hard disk. https://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/endorsement/respects-your-freedom


Of course having free firmware for the hard disk would be ideal. I don't  
think such a thing exists now.


[Trisquel-users] Wireless won't work :-(

2015-01-22 Thread fredb30

Hi!

I just upgraded to a new computer and immediately installed Trisquel!
While everything seems to be working fine, my wireless card doesn't seem to  
be recognized


My laptop is a Dell Latitude E6420 and the network card is  Intel Corporation  
82579LM Gigabit Network Connection  (that's what the command lspci | grep  
net gave me back)


I know that some people will recommend me to buy the usb stick ThinkPenguin  
but before even thinking about that, I was wondering if anybody had  
experienced the same problem and if a fix is available ?
I don't want to have to install a non-free driver or distro but at the same  
time I understand that Wi-Fi is a big problem when it comes to non-free  
drivers.


Thanks

FredB


Re: [Trisquel-users] I freed my phone!!!

2015-01-22 Thread davesamcdxv

What about the out-of-stock Openmoko + GTA04 processor?


Re: [Trisquel-users] My router is now running LibreCMC

2015-01-22 Thread matt . ivie
I bought a couple of LibreCMC routers from ThinkPenguin for use where I work.  
I plan on using them as access points. So far I really like them and they've  
been worth the price.


Re: [Trisquel-users] I freed my phone!!!

2015-01-22 Thread forna

Great news fellow!
We're still waiting for a fully free smartpone!


Re: [Trisquel-users] Basic security questions

2015-01-22 Thread janosch . adams

Thanks for the tipp with Replicant.
Maybe in one or two weeks I will be test it.

But actually I think the big security problem is ME.
I fight against me to not install non-free software Today I install  
chrome for one hour and removed it again... Is now my system broken? This  
example shows me, that I have to learn so many things that a secure system is  
actually not possible for me, because I am not clever enough to use it.
But at the end I will try very hard to work with Trisquel only with free  
software.


Re: [Trisquel-users] My router is now running LibreCMC

2015-01-22 Thread gary02121993
A lot of articles I have read about OpenWRT not being fully Free has said  
that it contains nonfree stuff/blobs.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Basic security questions

2015-01-22 Thread gary02121993
Lol if not using computers is the best way for privacy, what technology then  
can we use? Sorry for my English, but you know what I mean.


Re: [Trisquel-users] My family has smart TVs and I am scared.

2015-01-22 Thread noordinaryspider
I think I'm supposed to say something mature and reassuring about how it  
gets better, but my folks are both 80 and it doesn't.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Wireless won't work :-(

2015-01-22 Thread Binh-Khoi Nguyen

Hi!

I am in the same situation! Unfortunately, Intel wifi cards don't have 
free drivers so you'll have to go with a USB dongle.


I myself got one. Have a look on h-node if you can't afford a 
ThinkPenguin dongle, some models hardly cost anything and work with 
Trisquel out of the box.


Let me know if you need any help in choosing one,

Khoi

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 05:54:05PM +0100, fred...@hotmail.com wrote:

Hi!

I just upgraded to a new computer and immediately installed Trisquel!
While everything seems to be working fine, my wireless card doesn't 
seem to be recognized


My laptop is a Dell Latitude E6420 and the network card is  Intel 
Corporation 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection  (that's what the 
command lspci | grep net gave me back)


I know that some people will recommend me to buy the usb stick 
ThinkPenguin but before even thinking about that, I was wondering if 
anybody had experienced the same problem and if a fix is available ?
I don't want to have to install a non-free driver or distro but at the 
same time I understand that Wi-Fi is a big problem when it comes to 
non-free drivers.


Thanks

FredB


--
Binh-Khoi NGUYEN
k...@member.fsf.org
b.nguye...@imperial.ac.uk
GPG Key: https://bknguyen.be/gpg.html


[Trisquel-users] Re : Laptop doesn't resume when closing the top lid

2015-01-22 Thread calinou
Usually, it's due to a graphics driver issue. Not all graphics drivers can  
suspend and resume reliably.


[Trisquel-users] Re : My router is now running LibreCMC

2015-01-22 Thread calinou

ddwrt and OpenWRT have propriretary firmware.


Re: [Trisquel-users] I freed my phone!!!

2015-01-22 Thread shiretoko
I don't have a clue what's the difference between Openmoko and GTA04, and how  
you can combine them, but the latter one

doesn't support media encoding according to
http://redmine.replicant.us/projects/replicant/wiki/ReplicantStatus

And no offense to anyone, but it looks... not acceptable to me...
http://redmine.replicant.us/projects/replicant/wiki/GTA04

And actually i don't really need video on a phone. Rather on a tablet.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Basic security questions

2015-01-22 Thread shiretoko

I know what you mean, but i'm afraid the answer is: none!
You can meet with people in real life ;)
When it comes to privacy, our technology is spoiled from the very bottom...  
it's just the way the internet and pc's are designed nowadays.

But i'm talking about no-compromise-whatsoever- kind of privacy.
You can have decent privacy with computers if your friends care about privacy  
too, at least decent for the average guy.


If you want to exchange really 100% secure messages for instance, you can use  
the so called one time pad encryption; it is mathematically proven to be  
100% secure and cannot be cracked, no matter what computational power the  
evesdropper has got.
However, you have to transmit the key in real life, and the key has to be as  
long as the message!
and you have to encrypt the message in real life as well... so... it's no fun  
to use :P


Re: [Trisquel-users] Quidam in the next Linux Action Show

2015-01-22 Thread gary02121993

Kewl!


Re: [Trisquel-users] ChromiumOS

2015-01-22 Thread davidvargas1

Jadedctrl

I believe your question should be,

What is exactly is chromioum os is?

 Is it free-libre, the code open to all, could it be modified? Propietary or  
not propietary, the following research that will be post it, will indicate  
the proper answer.


1-
Definition - What does Chrome Operating System (Chrome OS) mean?

The Chrome operating system (Chrome OS) is an operating system launched by  
Google that is designed for users who spend a large amount of their time on  
the Internet using Web applications. It is designed around the key tenets of  
pace, ease-of-use and security.


Because this OS is exclusively aimed at intensive Web users, the only  
application included in Chrome OS is a Web browser that incorporates a media  
player and a file browser.


2- Techopedia explains Chrome Operating System (Chrome OS)

Chrome OS should not be confused with Chromium OS, an open source OS and the  
parent project of Chrome OS. Unlike Chromium OS, users can't download and  
install the Chrome OS because of built-in security features. Instead, Chrome  
OS is available as a preinstalled OS on Google Chromebooks, which were  
introduced by Google in conjunction with its manufacturing partners.


Users of netbooks, laptops and mini laptops are the biggest fans of Chrome  
OS. The primary advantages of this operating system include its  
lightning-fast Web browsing and loading speed, which Google claims is only  
eight seconds. It also incorporates anti-virus scanning and the ability to  
detect potentially harmful websites. Google OS’s features also include  
automatic updates and sandboxing that isolates malware from the system's  
memory.


Chrome OS runs numerous Web-based applications, but it does not run  
conventional PC software. Chrome OS developers are in the process of  
developing a free service called Chromoting, which will permit the Chrome OS  
users to remotely access their current desktops and Macs.


4- Chrome OS will include proprietary technologies such as flash player,  
designed for Google laptops not every hardware is compatible.


That means is proprietary. Not libre!



Re: [Trisquel-users] ChromiumOS

2015-01-22 Thread t8mf4nu6lizp
The kernel certainly is a blob-o-rama. Chromium itself is suspect. And since  
the default is non-free [1] you should really be asking what is free about  
ChromiumOS, the burden of proof is on us. I get a headache quickly from this  
nasty tangle of chrome/chromium/chromeos/chromiumos...


1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention


Re: [Trisquel-users] ChromiumOS

2015-01-22 Thread davidvargas1


Google Chrome Terms of Service

These Terms of Service apply to the executable code version of Google Chrome.  
Source code for Google Chrome is available free of charge under open source  
software license agreements at http://code.google.com/chromium/terms.html.


1. Your relationship with Google

1.1 Your use of Google’s products, software, services and web sites  
(referred to collectively as the “Services” in this document and  
excluding any services provided to you by Google under a separate written  
agreement) is subject to the terms of a legal agreement between you and  
Google. “Google” means Google Inc., whose principal place of business is  
at 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway, Mountain View, CA 94043, United States. This  
document explains how the agreement is made up, and sets out some of the  
terms of that agreement.


1.2 Unless otherwise agreed in writing with Google, your agreement with  
Google will always include, at a minimum, the terms and conditions set out in  
this document. These are referred to below as the “Universal Terms”. Open  
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Re: [Trisquel-users] ChromiumOS

2015-01-22 Thread Andrew Roffey
 What exactly is non-free about ChromiumOS? I presume the kernel is, 
 but I can't find anything else.


Chromium OS has a major issue other than having a non-free kernel--it
steers users to use SaaSS and non-free JavaScript for as many primary
computing tasks as possible.

SaaSS needs to be rejected because it puts computing tasks entirely in
the hands of the provider rather than the user and provides control that
can be revoked at any time, along with privacy issues.

There's an article by RMS on GNU.org that's an interesting read, if you
haven't seen it already:

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html

Andrew