Re: [TruthTalk] SO THEN it is safe to assume that NO MORMON RESPONSE TO THE ...
In a message dated 12/20/2005 4:35:53 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/18/2005 11:24:57 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] SO THEN it is safe to assume that NO MORMON RESPONSE TO THE "... In a message dated 12/17/2005 5:09:12 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blainerb: To "be perfect," it seems one would first have to become perfect--which may take more time for some than others.I do OK in following the admonitions of Jesus Christ, and I believe I do better each day--but I am after all a son of Adam and Eve, from whom I inherited imperfections. 1 Cor 15:44-52 cd:Christians are son of Christ -the lost are sons of AE and will have no inheritance. Where does it say that, Dean? We are all sons and daughters of Adam and Eve, who inherit the conditions of the fall. Are you an exception? ICor 15:22:"For as in Adam all die so in Christ shall all be made alive". I no longer have eternal death as I am of Christ not Adam. Also read 1 Cor 15:44-52-because of Christ I am restored-that makes me an exception. Ooooh!! I see. An exception!! Hmmm, :) Iam guessingyou are trying to interpret this passage to mean youhave becomeabove temptation, and the other conditions of fallen humanity. Is this correct? Blainerb
Re: [TruthTalk] SO THEN it is safe to assume that NO MORMON RESPONSE TO THE ...
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/18/2005 11:24:57 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] SO THEN it is safe to assume that NO MORMON RESPONSE TO THE "... In a message dated 12/17/2005 5:09:12 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blainerb: To "be perfect," it seems one would first have to become perfect--which may take more time for some than others.I do OK in following the admonitions of Jesus Christ, and I believe I do better each day--but I am after all a son of Adam and Eve, from whom I inherited imperfections. 1 Cor 15:44-52 cd:Christians are son of Christ -the lost are sons of AE and will have no inheritance. Where does it say that, Dean? We are all sons and daughters of Adam and Eve, who inherit the conditions of the fall. Are you an exception? ICor 15:22:"For as in Adam all die so in Christ shall all be made alive". I no longer have eternal death as I am of Christ not Adam. Also read 1 Cor 15:44-52-because of Christ I am restored-that makes me an exception.
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In a message dated 12/17/2005 5:09:12 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blainerb: To "be perfect," it seems one would first have to become perfect--which may take more time for some than others.I do OK in following the admonitions of Jesus Christ, and I believe I do better each day--but I am after all a son of Adam and Eve, from whom I inherited imperfections. cd:Christians are son of Christ -the lost are sons of AE and will have no inheritance. Where does it say that, Dean? We are all sons and daughters of Adam and Eve, who inherit the conditions of the fall. Are you an exception?
Re: [TruthTalk] SO THEN it is safe to assume that NO MORMON RESPONSE TO THE ...
Blaine, if you and a fellow mormon disagreed on the meaning of a verse, you would go to your Bishop, he would tell you what it means, and regardless of the answer, you both would acceot that, am I right? If not, how would you resolve it? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] SO THEN it is safe to assume that NO MORMON RESPONSE TO THE ... Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:24:46 EST In a message dated 12/17/2005 5:09:12 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blainerb: To be perfect, it seems one would first have to become perfect--which may take more time for some than others. I do OK in following the admonitions of Jesus Christ, and I believe I do better each day--but I am after all a son of Adam and Eve, from whom I inherited imperfections. cd:Christians are son of Christ -the lost are sons of AE and will have no inheritance. Where does it say that, Dean? We are all sons and daughters of Adam and Eve, who inherit the conditions of the fall. Are you an exception? -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Most Bishops have so much to do that they have little time to answer petty questions to resolve doctrinal disputes. I would not take a problem of that nature to my Bishop. No one I know would. Doctrinal disputes seldom happen, since the BoM and the DC are very clear. I know this sounds weird, but it happens to be true. If I have a doctrinal misunderstanding, I just study it out in my own mind, and the answer usually presents itself via the Spirit of the Lord. Blainerb In a message dated 12/18/2005 9:36:36 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blaine, if you and a fellow mormon disagreed on the meaning of a verse, you would go to your Bishop, he would tell you what it means, and regardless of the answer, you both would acceot that, am I right? If not, how would you resolve it?From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] SO THEN it is safe to assume that NO MORMON RESPONSE TO THE "...Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:24:46 ESTIn a message dated 12/17/2005 5:09:12 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Blainerb: To "be perfect," it seems one would first have to becomeperfect--which may take more time for some than others. I do OK in following theadmonitions of Jesus Christ, and I believe I do better each day--but I am afterall a son of Adam and Eve, from whom I inherited imperfections.cd:Christians are son of Christ -the lost are sons of AE and will have noinheritance.Where does it say that, Dean? We are all sons and daughters of Adam andEve, who inherit the conditions of the fall. Are you an exception?
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What if you are wrong? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] SO THEN it is safe to assume that NO MORMON RESPONSE TO THE ... Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 00:06:25 EST Most Bishops have so much to do that they have little time to answer petty questions to resolve doctrinal disputes. I would not take a problem of that nature to my Bishop. No one I know would. Doctrinal disputes seldom happen, since the BoM and the DC are very clear. I know this sounds weird, but it happens to be true. If I have a doctrinal misunderstanding, I just study it out in my own mind, and the answer usually presents itself via the Spirit of the Lord. Blainerb In a message dated 12/18/2005 9:36:36 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blaine, if you and a fellow mormon disagreed on the meaning of a verse, you would go to your Bishop, he would tell you what it means, and regardless of the answer, you both would acceot that, am I right? If not, how would you resolve it? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] SO THEN it is safe to assume that NO MORMON RESPONSE TO THE ... Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:24:46 EST In a message dated 12/17/2005 5:09:12 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blainerb: To be perfect, it seems one would first have to become perfect--which may take more time for some than others. I do OK in following the admonitions of Jesus Christ, and I believe I do better each day--but I am after all a son of Adam and Eve, from whom I inherited imperfections. cd:Christians are son of Christ -the lost are sons of AE and will have no inheritance. Where does it say that, Dean? We are all sons and daughters of Adam and Eve, who inherit the conditions of the fall. Are you an exception? -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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In a message dated 12/16/2005 8:59:46 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So a Satanist is on vacation in Utah he decides to take a tour of the temple. What do you think his thoughts would be when he sees his symbol for his god on your buildings? Blainerb: Actually, that is not outside the realm of possibility--a lot of people vacationing in Utah see the stars and etc. on the temples. Most are not concerned, unless they have been brainwashed by the Street Preachers. But, in answer to your question, I hope he would investigate the LDS religion and become enlightened as we are--he would have to give up his Satan worship, however, to be baptized into the Church.
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Blainerb: To "be perfect," it seems one would first have to become perfect--which may take more time for some than others.I do OK in following the admonitions of Jesus Christ, and I believe I do better each day--but I am after all a son of Adam and Eve, from whom I inherited imperfections. In a message dated 12/16/2005 9:03:41 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect." Notice it does not say become perfect it says BE - Present TENSE How are you doing?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are entitled to your opinion, Lance, however, I do not see that such Mormon beliefs as you have outlined detract from traditional Christianity--they do go beyond it, but I see no reason this should be an arrow in the side of Christians who are trying to live Christianity as they understand it.I see nothing unhallowed in the God-was-a-man-who-became-perfect beliefs of the Mormon Church--in fact, it seems to be quite a lofty idea, aimed at improving one's motivationto become perfect and more god-like. As Jesus said, "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect." Do you not intend to keep this commandment, Lance? Blainerb
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- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/17/2005 5:04:17 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] SO THEN it is safe to assume that NO MORMON RESPONSE TO THE "... Blainerb: To "be perfect," it seems one would first have to become perfect--which may take more time for some than others.I do OK in following the admonitions of Jesus Christ, and I believe I do better each day--but I am after all a son of Adam and Eve, from whom I inherited imperfections. cd:Christians are son of Christ -the lost are sons of AE and will have no inheritance. In a message dated 12/16/2005 9:03:41 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect." Notice it does not say become perfect it says BE - Present TENSE How are you doing?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are entitled to your opinion, Lance, however, I do not see that such Mormon beliefs as you have outlined detract from traditional Christianity--they do go beyond it, but I see no reason this should be an arrow in the side of Christians who are trying to live Christianity as they understand it.I see nothing unhallowed in the God-was-a-man-who-became-perfect beliefs of the Mormon Church--in fact, it seems to be quite a lofty idea, aimed at improving one's motivationto become perfect and more god-like. As Jesus said, "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect." Do you not intend to keep this commandment, Lance? Blainerb
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In a message dated 12/16/2005 12:45:28 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IS FORTHCOMING!!?? Y'all are pleased to engage on minutiae but on the big issues y'all 'take a pass'? WHY? Blainerb: I consider a post that suggests Mormons adhere to Satanism to be a "big issue." Are you suggesting Kevin be allowed to "take a pass" on this issue? That suggests to me he has no URL tying the photo to LDS buildings, and wants to be let off the hook. If he does have such, I am interested in seeing the source, whether it be valid, or just another anti-Mormon potshot at the LDS Church.
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Let me take a 'shot' at it (the SATANISM THINGY) If a group adheres to a theology wherein 1. their god was a man who became a god who begat children (spiritually) who subsequently inhabited that god's planet and rebelled against their god partly through the temptation of one of their god's sons (lucifer) so that one of their god's other sons (jesus) had to be born through a union of their god and one of the people on that god's planet (mary)so as to redeem the 'rebelled ones' THEN I WOULD SAY THAT THERE JUST MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO THIS SATANISM THINGY" IMO OF COURSE!! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 16, 2005 14:58 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] SO THEN it is safe to assume that NO MORMON RESPONSE TO THE "... In a message dated 12/16/2005 12:45:28 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IS FORTHCOMING!!?? Y'all are pleased to engage on minutiae but on the big issues y'all 'take a pass'? WHY? Blainerb: I consider a post that suggests Mormons adhere to Satanism to be a "big issue." Are you suggesting Kevin be allowed to "take a pass" on this issue? That suggests to me he has no URL tying the photo to LDS buildings, and wants to be let off the hook. If he does have such, I am interested in seeing the source, whether it be valid, or just another anti-Mormon potshot at the LDS Church.
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You are entitled to your opinion, Lance, however, I do not see that such Mormon beliefs as you have outlined detract from traditional Christianity--they do go beyond it, but I see no reason this should be an arrow in the side of Christians who are trying to live Christianity as they understand it.I see nothing unhallowed in the God-was-a-man-who-became-perfect beliefs of the Mormon Church--in fact, it seems to be quite a lofty idea, aimed at improving one's motivationto become perfect and more god-like. As Jesus said, "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect." Do you not intend to keep this commandment, Lance? Blainerb In a message dated 12/16/2005 1:41:50 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let me take a 'shot' at it (the SATANISM THINGY) If a group adheres to a theology wherein 1. their god was a man who became a god who begat children (spiritually) who subsequently inhabited that god's planet and rebelled against their god partly through the temptation of one of their god's sons (lucifer) so that one of their god's other sons (jesus) had to be born through a union of their god and one of the people on that god's planet (mary)so as to redeem the 'rebelled ones' THEN I WOULD SAY THAT THERE JUST MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO THIS SATANISM THINGY" IMO OF COURSE!! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 16, 2005 14:58 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] SO THEN it is safe to assume that NO MORMON RESPONSE TO THE "... In a message dated 12/16/2005 12:45:28 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IS FORTHCOMING!!?? Y'all are pleased to engage on minutiae but on the big issues y'all 'take a pass'? WHY? Blainerb: I consider a post that suggests Mormons adhere to Satanism to be a "big issue." Are you suggesting Kevin be allowed to "take a pass" on this issue? That suggests to me he has no URL tying the photo to LDS buildings, and wants to be let off the hook. If he does have such, I am interested in seeing the source, whether it be valid, or just another anti-Mormon potshot at the LDS Church.
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Were you or were you not attempting to suggest Mormons believed in/practiced Satanism by posting that photo of the 5-sided star with 666 embedded in it, along with other valid photos of stars on Mormon buildings? Just answer "yes" or "no." Blainerb In a message dated 12/16/2005 1:37:07 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Go back and reread the posts I did not say Mormons are SatanistsI asked a simple question "why do you have satanic symbols on your building?" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blainerb: I consider a post that suggests Mormons adhere to Satanism to be a "big issue." Are you suggesting Kevin be allowed to "take a pass" on this issue? That suggests to me he has no URL tying the photo to LDS buildings, and wants to be let off the hook. If he does have such, I am interested in seeing the source, whether it be valid, or just another anti-Mormon potshot at the LDS Church.
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In a message dated 12/16/2005 1:37:07 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Go back and reread the posts I did not say Mormons are SatanistsI asked a simple question "why do you have satanic symbols on your building?" Blainerb: The answer is and always has been, we do not have Satanist symbols on our buildings. If they appear to be such, then they are only such in the eye of the beholder. They were never intended to be Satanist symbols, but the opposite--symbols of Jesus Christ, of heaven, etc. This, of course, led to a discussion on why we do not have crosses, as you will remember. And then everyone got all upset because we had stars, not crosses, on our buildings. Now a lot of people are mad at us because, as they say at least, we "hate crosses" which we actually do not. Hmmm, we have been through a lot together, huh Kevin? It gets almost humorous, doesn't it?
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So a Satanist is on vacation in Utah he decides to take a tour of the temple. What do you think his thoughts would be when he sees his symbol for his god on your buildings?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 12/16/2005 1:37:07 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Go back and reread the posts I did not say Mormons are SatanistsI asked a simple question "why do you have satanic symbols on your building?" Blainerb: The answer is and always has been, we do not have Satanist symbols on our buildings. If they appear to be such, then they are only such in the eye of the beholder. They were never intended to be Satanist symbols, but the opposite--symbols of Jesus Christ, of heaven, etc. This, of course, led to a discussion on why we do not have crosses, as you will remember. And then everyone got all upset because we had stars, not crosses, on our buildings. Now a lot of people are mad at us because, as they say at least, we "hate crosses" which we actually do not. Hmmm, we have been through a lot together, huh Kevin? It gets almost humorous, doesn't it? __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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"Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect." Notice it does not say become perfect it says BE - Present TENSE How are you doing?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are entitled to your opinion, Lance, however, I do not see that such Mormon beliefs as you have outlined detract from traditional Christianity--they do go beyond it, but I see no reason this should be an arrow in the side of Christians who are trying to live Christianity as they understand it.I see nothing unhallowed in the God-was-a-man-who-became-perfect beliefs of the Mormon Church--in fact, it seems to be quite a lofty idea, aimed at improving one's motivationto become perfect and more god-like. As Jesus said, "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect." Do you not intend to keep this commandment, Lance? BlainerbIn a message dated 12/16/2005 1:41:50 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Let me take a 'shot' at it (the SATANISM THINGY)If a group adheres to a theology wherein 1. their god was a man who became a god who begat children (spiritually) who subsequently inhabited that god's planet and rebelled against their god partly through the temptation of one of their god's sons (lucifer) so that one of their god's other sons (jesus) had to be born through a union of their god and one of the people on that god's planet (mary)so as to redeem the 'rebelled ones' THEN I WOULD SAY THAT THERE JUST MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO THIS SATANISM THINGY" IMO OF COURSE!! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 16, 2005 14:58 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] SO THEN it is safe to assume that NO MORMON RESPONSE TO THE "... In a message dated 12/16/2005 12:45:28 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:IS FORTHCOMING!!??Y'all are pleased to engage on minutiae but on the big issues y'all 'take a pass'? WHY?Blainerb: I consider a post that suggests Mormons adhere to Satanism to be a "big issue." Are you suggesting Kevin be allowed to "take a pass" on this issue? That suggests to me he has no URL tying the photo to LDS buildings, and wants to be let off the hook. If he does have such, I am interested in seeing the source, whether it be valid, or just another anti-Mormon potshot at the LDS Church. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
