Re: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian?
DAVEH: Perry asked advice (as to how to preach to Mormons), Kevin. I'm not sure why I bothered to reply, as I don't think you or Perry really want to know how we (LDS) think. I believe the reason many LDS folks recoil from some of the street preaching antics is that it is so foreign to the way we evangelize. If you want to continue using your Truth horns (and waving underwear) to evangelize LDS folks, don't be surprised if you find many ignoring your message. I don't think LDS folks are opposed to listening to other Christians express their contrasting opinions. I recently posted mention of a couple non-LDS who have actually spoken from our Tabernacle pulpit. Had they brought their Truth horns into the Tabernacle though, they would have simply driven the LDS audience from the building. Andit would have been another hundred years before another non-LDS Christian were invited back to speak from the same podium. Like I said before, Kevin. I'm not overly bothered that some street preachers use tactics we perceive as being less than humble when trying to evangelize us, but I am concerned about how the message of their antics is perceived by the non-Christian world. Kevin Deegan wrote: WE use Truth horns If LDS werre not afraid to open thier mouths they would use bull horns Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Perhaps they (LDS missionaries) believe reverent prayer is more effective than obnoxious bull horns. Kevin Deegan wrote: DAVEH: Prayer. MayI suggest this as the only course of action for the LDS missionary force! They number, over 50,000 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Prayer. Kevin Deegan wrote: Good question! Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blaine, please tell us what evangelical approach would work best with Mormons, especially at the General Conference. Help us out here. Thanks, Perry -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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Prayer are you serious? You would like to dictate the waychristians attempt to evangelize LDS. Now we get MTC?Are you serious, recommending that these young boys get 2 weeks traing at MTC then try to deal with peoples Eternal Destiny? They are all wet not just behind the ears. And what are they trained in? How to memorize the 10 or so lessons "taught by rote presentation." ? Why did the president announce that they are raising the bar? Now matter what anyone does LDS will never approve! Only a positive reassuring message will be allowed. You want to hear only "You LDS are OK" "You LDS are our brothers in Christ" These guys did not wave garments. http://farms.byu.edu/display.php?table=reviewid=277What Certain Baptists Think They Know about the Restored Gospel Review of The Mormon Puzzle: Understanding and Witnessing to Latter-day Saints by North American Mission Board of the Southern Baptist ConventionReviewed By: Daniel C. Peterson Luke 7:30 rejected the counsel of God against themselves...They are like unto children sitting in the marketplace, and calling one to another, and saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned to you, and ye have not wept.For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil.The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners! "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Perry, glad to hear from you again. Probably the best evangelical approach to use on Mormons would be to send out young men in pairs, armed with the gospel of Jesus Christ and the armor of faith--They would of course need to recieve some training at the MTC--Missionary training Center--in Provo, Utah. :)Blaine--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! What will yours do?
Re: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian?
From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian? Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:04:51 -0800 Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave, Please show me the scriptures that says one comes to faith by praying for them. DAVEH: Why do you need that any more than you need a scripture from those street preachers who think they should use a bull horn to preach, Perry? Using voice amplification is normal in environments with high background noise, and I don't consider that either a moral or ethical issue. I am not saying this does not or cannot happen, I just would like some references. DAVEH: OK. For those who lack an understanding of how to preach.. Thanks for that comment, Dave. *If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. * Js 1:5 Okay, so if you want wisdom, pray for it...how does that demonstrate that prayer brings people to faith? ...Furthermore, the Lord has also suggested it is important to ... *Be thou humble; and the Lord thy God shall lead thee by the hand, and give thee answer to thy prayers.*DC 112:10 Which Lord, mine or yours? Oh, that comes fromt he DC...you mean your lord. Mine didn't say that. JS did. ...So, I ponder how effective any preacher can be if they fail to adopt a stance of humility in their approach. You have not answered my request for a scriptural reference on the topic, and have totally dodged the scripture reference I gave to preaching. If you dont have a direct answer, just say so. It's easy... Ignorance - Preacher - Hearing - Word of God - Faith. That is what street preachers do. I am sure they pray, too, but the Bible says to preach the Word of God. According to Romans 10, the gospel is to be preached to bring peopel to faith. Paul prayed for the salvation of Israel, but that is not what he claims brings them to faith: 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Perry From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian? Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:56:17 -0800 DAVEH: Prayer. Kevin Deegan wrote: Good question! */Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Blaine, please tell us what evangelical approach would work best with Mormons, especially at the General Conference. Help us out here. Thanks, Perry http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=30648/*http://movies.yahoo.com/movies/feature/jibjabinaugural.html -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
RE: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian?
Hi Perry, glad to hear from you again. Probably the best evangelical approach to use on Mormons would be to send out young men in pairs, armed with the gospel of Jesus Christ and the armor of faith--They would of course need to recieve some training at the MTC--Missionary training Center--in Provo, Utah. :) Blaine -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Good answer, Blaine. I do think that the LDS missionary force is quite impressive...if only their message was true it would not be such a massive waste of time and resources :-(. You may never have heard this, but hank Hanegraaff says, If only Christians were willing to do for Christ what the Mormons are willing to do for a lie. Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian? Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 00:04:59 GMT Hi Perry, glad to hear from you again. Probably the best evangelical approach to use on Mormons would be to send out young men in pairs, armed with the gospel of Jesus Christ and the armor of faith--They would of course need to recieve some training at the MTC--Missionary training Center--in Provo, Utah. :) Blaine -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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WE use Truth horns If LDS werre not afraid to open thier mouths they would use bull hornsDave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Perhaps they (LDS missionaries) believe reverent prayer is more effective than obnoxious bull horns. Kevin Deegan wrote: DAVEH: Prayer. MayI suggest this as the only course of action for the LDS missionary force! They number, over 50,000 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Prayer.Kevin Deegan wrote: Good question!Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blaine, please tell us what evangelical approach would work best with Mormons, especially at the General Conference. Help us out here.Thanks,Perry-- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'
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In a message dated 1/29/2005 9:57:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: Prayer. Kevin Deegan wrote: Good question! Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blaine, please tell us what evangelical approach would work best with Mormons, especially at the General Conference. Help us out here. Thanks, Perry And, we all have to admit, "good answer!" JD
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DAVEH: Prayer. MayI suggest this as the only course of action for the LDS missionary force! They number, over 50,000 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Prayer.Kevin Deegan wrote: Good question!Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blaine, please tell us what evangelical approach would work best with Mormons, especially at the General Conference. Help us out here.Thanks,Perry-- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more.
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Perry, I think prayer paves the way by sending the preparation of the Holy Spirit. I believe it was Arthur Blessit who said that NO ONE gets saved unless someone has prayed for them first. But then the Word must be preached, as you correctly assert. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 12:33 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian? Dave, Please show me the scriptures that says one comes to faith by praying for them. I am not saying this does not or cannot happen, I just would like some references. According to Romans 10, the gospel is to be preached to bring peopel to faith. Paul prayed for the salvation of Israel, but that is not what he claims brings them to faith: 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Perry From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian? Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:56:17 -0800 DAVEH: Prayer. Kevin Deegan wrote: Good question! */Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Blaine, please tell us what evangelical approach would work best with Mormons, especially at the General Conference. Help us out here. Thanks, Perry http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=30648/*http://movies.yahoo.com/movies/feature/jibjabinaugural.html -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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No approach works apart from the Holy Spirits preparation of a willing heart. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 5:36 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian? In a message dated 1/29/2005 9:57:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: Prayer. Kevin Deegan wrote: Good question! Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blaine, please tell us what evangelical approach would work best with Mormons, especially at the General Conference. Help us out here. Thanks, Perry And, we all have to admit, good answer! JD
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Ah, then we agree! J JJ - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 8:05 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian? No approach works apart from the Holy Spirits preparation of a willing heart. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 5:36 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian? In a message dated 1/29/2005 9:57:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: Prayer.Kevin Deegan wrote: Good question!Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blaine, please tell us what evangelical approach would work best with Mormons, especially at the General Conference. Help us out here.Thanks,Perry And, we all have to admit, "good answer!"JD
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myth (way too Calvinistic!:) On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:25:10 -0700 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah, then we agree! J JJ - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 8:05 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian? No approach works apart from the Holy Spirits preparation of a willing heart. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 5:36 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian? In a message dated 1/29/2005 9:57:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: Prayer.Kevin Deegan wrote: Good question!Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blaine, please tell us what evangelical approach would work best with Mormons, especially at the General Conference. Help us out here.Thanks,Perry And, we all have to admit, "good answer!"JD
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Lbummerr. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian? myth (way too Calvinistic!:) On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:25:10 -0700 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah, then we agree! J JJ - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 8:05 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian? No approach works apart from the Holy Spirits preparation of a willing heart. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 5:36 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian? In a message dated 1/29/2005 9:57:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: Prayer.Kevin Deegan wrote: Good question!Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blaine, please tell us what evangelical approach would work best with Mormons, especially at the General Conference. Help us out here.Thanks,Perry And, we all have to admit, "good answer!"JD
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In a message dated 1/30/2005 11:57:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (way too Calvinistic!:) Specifics, please. JD
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Bill, youd better be careful who you agree with; you might lose your following. (Who asked for their opinions anyway???) J Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Taylor Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 1:54 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian? Lbummerr. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian? myth (way too Calvinistic!:) On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:25:10 -0700 Bill Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah, then we agree! J JJ - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 8:05 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian? No approach works apart from the Holy Spirits preparation of a willing heart. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 5:36 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian? In a message dated 1/29/2005 9:57:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: Prayer. Kevin Deegan wrote: Good question! Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blaine, please tell us what evangelical approach would work best with Mormons, especially at the General Conference. Help us out here. Thanks, Perry And, we all have to admit, good answer! JD
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(who am i talkin' to? :) On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:59:43 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 1/30/2005 11:57:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (way too Calvinistic!:)Specifics, please. JD
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so you agree with Bill? On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:03:17 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bill, youd better be careful who you agree with; you might lose your following. (Who asked for their opinions anyway???) J Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill TaylorSent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 1:54 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian? Lbummerr. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian? myth (way too Calvinistic!:) On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:25:10 -0700 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah, then we agree! J JJ - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 8:05 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian? No approach works apart from the Holy Spirits preparation of a willing heart. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 5:36 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian? In a message dated 1/29/2005 9:57:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: Prayer.Kevin Deegan wrote: Good question!Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blaine, please tell us what evangelical approach would work best with Mormons, especially at the General Conference. Help us out here.Thanks,Perry And, we all have to admit, "good answer!"JD
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DAVEH: Perhaps they (LDS missionaries) believe reverent prayer is more effective than obnoxious bull horns. Kevin Deegan wrote: DAVEH: Prayer. MayI suggest this as the only course of action for the LDS missionary force! They number, over 50,000 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Prayer. Kevin Deegan wrote: Good question! Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blaine, please tell us what evangelical approach would work best with Mormons, especially at the General Conference. Help us out here. Thanks, Perry -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave, Please show me the scriptures that says one comes to faith by praying for them. DAVEH: Why do you need that any more than you need a scripture from those street preachers who think they should use a bull horn to preach, Perry? I am not saying this does not or cannot happen, I just would like some references. DAVEH: OK. For those who lack an understanding of how to preach.. If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. Js 1:5 ...Furthermore, the Lord has also suggested it is important to ... Be thou humble; and the Lord thy God shall lead thee by the hand, and give thee answer to thy prayers. DC 112:10 ...So, I ponder how effective any preacher can be if they fail to adopt a stance of humility in their approach. According to Romans 10, the gospel is to be preached to bring peopel to faith. Paul prayed for the salvation of Israel, but that is not what he claims brings them to faith: 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Perry From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian? Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:56:17 -0800 DAVEH: Prayer. Kevin Deegan wrote: Good question! */Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Blaine, please tell us what evangelical approach would work best with Mormons, especially at the General Conference. Help us out here. Thanks, Perry http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=30648/*http://movies.yahoo.com/movies/feature/jibjabinaugural.html -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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DAVEH: I believe both Perry and Kevin asked Blaine for his opinion. Forgive me for butting in and offering mine in reply. ShieldsFamily wrote: Bill, youd better be careful who you agree with; you might lose your following. (Who asked for their opinions anyway???) J Izzy DAVEH: Prayer. Kevin Deegan wrote: Good question! Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blaine, please tell us what evangelical approach would work best with Mormons, especially at the General Conference. Help us out here. Thanks, Perry And, we all have to admit, "good answer!" JD -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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Just tired of the WAH they hold upWAH our sacredWAH garments WAH Instead of being a victim tell us why."[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BLAINE: I would not ask for religious help, neither have I asked for such help from sources outside my own beloved stake and ward leaders. Well, sometimes I ask my wife. (:) Sorry you felt I was whining. Bytheway, I thought we on TT were trying to avoid pesonal attacks???H.You do not want help you want to whine"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:KEVIN wrote:Do you think he would be thinking of spiritual things weeks later?Do you think he would have complained it to a stranger?Many Christians would tell the man "yeah stupid SP"Instead take the opportunity to share the word.Sometimes we have to dig up that fallow ground before someone can plant seed.BLAINE: Tha's an interesting thought, Kevin. But do I know any Mormons who have, after seeing their sacred undies waved in the air, chased a street preacher down to get further feedback and wisdom recently? Hmmm. can't bring anything up right off hand...maybe you could help me. My reaction to street preachers ranges from benign amusement to a feeling of righteous indignation. I think that is maybe...typical? --"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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BLAINE: I understand what you are saying, and sorry I seem to be complaining too much--but actually, Kevin, I feel you people do yourselves more harm than good by showing your true colors when you wave the undies around. Maybe I am crying for your sakes, since it doesn't seem to have harmed we LDS folks all that much. The gospel of Jesus Christ, I believe, should make men generous, kind, magnanimous, etc. These are the fruits of the true spirit of Christ, and I just don't see that happening with this approach to proselyting. I think giving it asll up and admitting it was a bad practice is the way to go--for your sakes as well as everyones. Kevin: Just tired of the WAH they hold upWAH our sacredWAH garments WAH Instead of being a victim tell us why. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BLAINE: I would not ask for religious help, neither have I asked for such help from sources outside my own beloved stake and ward leaders. Well, sometimes I ask my wife. (:) Sorry you felt I was whining. Bytheway, I thought we on TT were trying to avoid pesonal attacks??? -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Sorry, Blaine, but I must take responsibility for the waving around of mormon undies, as I believe the SPs would never have know you wear them except for my telling them. (Some secrets are just too good to keep!) Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 11:18 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian? BLAINE: I understand what you are saying, and sorry I seem to be complaining too much--but actually, Kevin, I feel you people do yourselves more harm than good by showing your true colors when you wave the undies around. Maybe I am crying for your sakes, since it doesn't seem to have harmed we LDS folks all that much. The gospel of Jesus Christ, I believe, should make men generous, kind, magnanimous, etc. These are the fruits of the true spirit of Christ, and I just don't see that happening with this approach to proselyting. I think giving it asll up and admitting it was a bad practice is the way to go--for your sakes as well as everyones. Kevin: Just tired of the WAH they hold upWAH our sacredWAH garments WAH Instead of being a victim tell us why. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BLAINE: I would not ask for religious help, neither have I asked for such help from sources outside my own beloved stake and ward leaders. Well, sometimes I ask my wife. (:) Sorry you felt I was whining. Bytheway, I thought we on TT were trying to avoid pesonal attacks??? -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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So you were ther last year did you personally see any actions that you care to discuss? My offer to meet with you still stands. I take your non reply to mean NO THANKS. Though I would prefer that you would have enough gumption to say so. Maybe I am presuming and you did not see the previous offer. If so forgive me. You set the time and agenda, even if it is just a simple hello handshake. I think it profitable for us to meet. "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BLAINE: I understand what you are saying, and sorry I seem to be complaining too much--but actually, Kevin, I feel you people do yourselves more harm than good by showing your true colors when you wave the undies around. Maybe I am crying for your sakes, since it doesn't seem to have harmed we LDS folks all that much. The gospel of Jesus Christ, I believe, should make men generous, kind, magnanimous, etc. These are the fruits of the true spirit of Christ, and I just don't see that happening with this approach to proselyting. I think giving it asll up and admitting it was a bad practice is the way to go--for your sakes as well as everyones.Kevin: Just tired of the WAH they hold upWAH our sacredWAH garments WAHInstead of being a victim tell us why."[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:BLAINE: I would not ask for religious help, neither have I asked for such help from sources outside my own beloved stake and ward leaders. Well, sometimes I ask my wife. (:) Sorry you felt I was whining. Bytheway, I thought we on TT were trying to avoid pesonal attacks???--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'
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Blaine, please tell us what evangelical approach would work best with Mormons, especially at the General Conference. Help us out here. Thanks, Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian? Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:18:11 GMT BLAINE: I understand what you are saying, and sorry I seem to be complaining too much--but actually, Kevin, I feel you people do yourselves more harm than good by showing your true colors when you wave the undies around. Maybe I am crying for your sakes, since it doesn't seem to have harmed we LDS folks all that much. The gospel of Jesus Christ, I believe, should make men generous, kind, magnanimous, etc. These are the fruits of the true spirit of Christ, and I just don't see that happening with this approach to proselyting. I think giving it asll up and admitting it was a bad practice is the way to go--for your sakes as well as everyones. Kevin: Just tired of the WAH they hold upWAH our sacredWAH garments WAH Instead of being a victim tell us why. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BLAINE: I would not ask for religious help, neither have I asked for such help from sources outside my own beloved stake and ward leaders. Well, sometimes I ask my wife. (:) Sorry you felt I was whining. Bytheway, I thought we on TT were trying to avoid pesonal attacks??? -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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In a message dated 1/29/2005 4:52:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blaine, please tell us what evangelical approach would work best with Mormons, especially at the General Conference. Help us out here. Thanks, Perry : ) Will Blaine venture an answer? It is my understanding that Mormonism sprang from the mind of God, Himself, as He viewed with concern, the divided church. What did He see in the early 1800's that was not present in the First Church? And, doesn't salvation by grace about from our own efforts (a concept taught in your Bible as well as mine) solve whatever problems God saw as needing improvement? JD
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Good question!Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blaine, please tell us what evangelical approach would work best with Mormons, especially at the General Conference. Help us out here.Thanks,PerryFrom: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian?Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:18:11 GMTBLAINE: I understand what you are saying, and sorry I seem to be complaining too much--but actually, Kevin, I feel you people do yourselves more harm than good by showing your true colors when you wave the undies around. Maybe I am crying for your sakes, since it doesn't seem to have harmed we LDS folks all that much. The gospel of Jesus Christ, I believe, should make men generous, kind, magnanimous, etc. These are the fruits of the true spirit of Christ, and I just don't see that happening with this approach to proselyting. I think giving it asll up and admitting it was a bad practice is the way to go--for your sakes as well as everyones.Kevin: Just tired of the WAH they hold upWAH our sacredWAH garments WAHInstead of being a victim tell us why."[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:BLAINE: I would not ask for religious help, neither have I asked for such help from sources outside my own beloved stake and ward leaders. Well, sometimes I ask my wife. (:) Sorry you felt I was whining. Bytheway, I thought we on TT were trying to avoid pesonal attacks???--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'
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DAVEH: Prayer. Kevin Deegan wrote: Good question! Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blaine, please tell us what evangelical approach would work best with Mormons, especially at the General Conference. Help us out here. Thanks, Perry -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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Dave, Please show me the scriptures that says one comes to faith by praying for them. I am not saying this does not or cannot happen, I just would like some references. According to Romans 10, the gospel is to be preached to bring peopel to faith. Paul prayed for the salvation of Israel, but that is not what he claims brings them to faith: 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Perry From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian? Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:56:17 -0800 DAVEH: Prayer. Kevin Deegan wrote: Good question! */Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Blaine, please tell us what evangelical approach would work best with Mormons, especially at the General Conference. Help us out here. Thanks, Perry http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=30648/*http://movies.yahoo.com/movies/feature/jibjabinaugural.html -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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BLAINE: I would not ask for religious help, neither have I asked for such help from sources outside my own beloved stake and ward leaders. Well, sometimes I ask my wife. (:) Sorry you felt I was whining. Bytheway, I thought we on TT were trying to avoid pesonal attacks??? H. You do not want help you want to whine [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: KEVIN wrote: Do you think he would be thinking of spiritual things weeks later? Do you think he would have complained it to a stranger? Many Christians would tell the man yeah stupid SP Instead take the opportunity to share the word. Sometimes we have to dig up that fallow ground before someone can plant seed. BLAINE: Tha's an interesting thought, Kevin. But do I know any Mormons who have, after seeing their sacred undies waved in the air, chased a street preacher down to get further feedback and wisdom recently? Hmmm. can't bring anything up right off hand...maybe you could help me. My reaction to street preachers ranges from benign amusement to a feeling of righteous indignation. I think that is maybe...typical? -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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KEVIN wrote: Do you think he would be thinking of spiritual things weeks later? Do you think he would have complained it to a stranger? Many Christians would tell the man yeah stupid SP Instead take the opportunity to share the word. Sometimes we have to dig up that fallow ground before someone can plant seed. BLAINE: Tha's an interesting thought, Kevin. But do I know any Mormons who have, after seeing their sacred undies waved in the air, chased a street preacher down to get further feedback and wisdom recently? Hmmm. can't bring anything up right off hand...maybe you could help me. My reaction to street preachers ranges from benign amusement to a feeling of righteous indignation. I think that is maybe...typical? -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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H. You do not want help you want to whine"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: KEVIN wrote:Do you think he would be thinking of spiritual things weeks later?Do you think he would have complained it to a stranger?Many Christians would tell the man "yeah stupid SP"Instead take the opportunity to share the word.Sometimes we have to dig up that fallow ground before someone can plant seed.BLAINE: Tha's an interesting thought, Kevin. But do I know any Mormons who have, after seeing their sacred undies waved in the air, chased a street preacher down to get further feedback and wisdom recently? Hmmm. can't bring anything up right off hand...maybe you could help me. My reaction to street preachers ranges from benign amusement to a feeling of righteous indignation. I think that is maybe...typical? --"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'
