Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
my
gospel, and the
preaching
of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the
mystery
BTW
what is wrong with preaching Jesus
Christ?
or
should we preach SS & Conversion at our evangelistic
meetings?
Lance Muir
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
DH:TT has a
NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your
mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the
(their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever.
As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and
I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we
are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp
of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do
what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by
their commander in chief over the Middle
East.
-
Original Message -
From: Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08,
2006 02:03
Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of
truthtalk?
to clear the
confusion one should be able to prove their charge they
make against others.
DAVEH:
That's what I asked you to do when you made a false
accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months
back. Your response was that you didn't know how
to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility
to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't
say. Which is logically
illogical.So what is
you better
idea?DAVEH:
Practice what you preach.By the way I
can change the rules if there is good reason to do
so-but you
cannot.DAVEH:
Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of
fairness?!?!?! When I joined
TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in
TT. It seems several moderators have put that
fallacy to rest.you show no
hesitation provoking me-Why is
that?DAVEH:
I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a
different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers
live in a different world, where they are in constant
battle with everybody, including some that at first
appear to be on their side of the fence. Other
than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have
much experience with them, so I find how they think and
operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving
underwear in the faces of those they want to
convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to
sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem
(from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll
leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to
me seems at odds with their mission statement. So
I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is
it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know
if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I
suppose I'm just rambling
onwith the way
things are going H
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/9/2006 4:42:22 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? No Dean, not chapter but, an entire book. Thessalonians? cd: OK you go first Lance-and I am right behind you. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 17:48 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/8/2006 5:34:32 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? It'd appear that we do all speak English, Dean. Now, as everyone else has taken, IMO a rather unconvincing, run at the fg, may I ask YOU, Dean...Rather than proof-texting (the exceptions having been Bill, David and John), are you able to open say the gospel of John or the book of Ephesians and, thereafter explain it in it's entirety without difficulty for either yourself or any believer? If yes then, please demonstrate. If no then, qualify your statement (what you say) in line with what you can actually do. cd: Sure Chapter are we speaking of? Fire away. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 07, 2006 18:28 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/7/2006 5:54:36 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? THE truth to read MY truth or, truth as I interpret it. How I read the words that are spoken-We all do speak English right? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 06, 2006 18:13 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)-Please explanation after my coming chastisement from David.But don't jump the gun and attack me as he seems to be hesitating(maybe he found love for me after all.)-and if wrong you will still be dealing with a moderator-that will not take any crap:-) - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/5/2006 12:52:42 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: Dean, does this not qualify as an ad-hom?Dean Moore wrote: cd: or lose all creditability as Lance had done in my opinion of this matter. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/9/2006 4:37:44 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? 1. 'Those principles', Dean? Which? 2. I don't mind YOU being moderator, Dean. You do, IMO, change horses in midstream a lot but, I can adjust. 3. I don't think of you as 'mean' Kevin. I believe you're doing the best with what you've got. What more can one ask of one? 4. As to 'refusing so much of the Bible' Dean, I'm attempting to be patient with someone who misinterprets so much of it yet, moderates TT. cd: You disagree with what I teach and offer no other intrepretion-I don't know but it does seem strange to me Lance-something is wrong with that. thanks for the, ATY, beneficient thoughts.. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 17:36 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/8/2006 5:23:10 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. cd: But Lance you said that it was fair earlier to moderate using those principles-and even earlier that that you said that you were glad I was moderator-now only hatred exists? What happened? Pope is a little much-How about Bishop Moderator-or better yet Moderator Bishop-nay.. still doesn't work..O' well we can keep trying ?The lost comments are correct Lance-This is not meant to be mean to you but to help you understand-One cannot refuse as much of the Bible as you do and be one of God's-it doesn't work that way Lance-I would much rather say this now and get you to understand the principle behind my words than to be there when God say's "depart from me". At that time it will then be too late-I fear that will happen to you. ----- Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesita tion provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return? The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? Moderator: No, DaveH but there are many levels of Ad. H
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
what is wrong with preaching Jesus
Christ?
or
should we preach SS & Conversion at our evangelistic
meetings?
Lance Muir
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
DH:TT has a
NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your
mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the
(their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever.
As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you
and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus
yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp
is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see
why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic
employed by their commander in chief over the Middle
East.
-
Original Message -
From: Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08,
2006 02:03
Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of
truthtalk?
to clear
the confusion one should be able to prove their charge
they make against others.
DAVEH:
That's what I asked you to do when you made a false
accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months
back. Your response was that you didn't know how
to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility
to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't
say. Which is logically
illogical.So what is
you better
idea?DAVEH:
Practice what you preach.By the way
I can change the rules if there is good reason to do
so-but you
cannot.DAVEH:
Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of
fairness?!?!?! When I joined
TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule
in TT. It seems several moderators have put that
fallacy to rest.you show
no hesitation provoking me-Why is
that?DAVEH:
I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from
a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some
SPers live in a different world, where they are in
constant battle with everybody, including some that at
first appear to be on their side of the fence.
Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really
don't have much experience with them, so I find how
they think and operate to be rather interesting.
(e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they
want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange
way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some
SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of
___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the
word), which to me seems at odds with their mission
statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them
tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they
are. I don't know if that makes much sense,
Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling
onwith the
way things are going He should be able to read it he
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That is Judge Moore to you buddy!! DAVEH: I have a hard time figuring out which Judge I'm dealing with, as he seems to speak from both sides of his mouth. :-\ DAVEH: I can understand you saying that about Lance, Kevin.but, why did you include Judge Dean in that rant? cd: Hey-No fair-Where is the moderator?Ad. HOM!- Ad. Homein attack!! Someone get the Moderator-That is Judge Moore to you buddy!! -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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I did not! I’m not going to define “ignorance”; did you really want me to??? But I’ve often noticed that those who are the wackiest are also the loudest about it. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 7:53 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? A, you went for the smart remark. Sad. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 09, 2006 08:47 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Ignorance is in the dictionary. Look it up. It seems apparent to me that the most ignorant are often the proudest of it, like the types who plaster their cars with bumper stickers that say things like Visualize World Peace, etc. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 4:03 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Iz:If by 'showing one's ignorance' you mean 'those who disagree with me and mine then we disagree. Have you never come to occupy a position than you once denounced? I have. (Smart remarks OK but, not necessary) - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 18:00 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Lance, showing one’s ignorance is not only legitimate but is an art in democracy. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 11:23 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Nothing of the kind, Judy. I only wish for it to be legitimate in a democratic society. Apparently, you do not. I actually understand this kind of thinking. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 10:18 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? What's this "stream of consciousness" business... don't you think before you speak Lance? I'm all for "freedom of speech" - for instance you are free to disagree and state that "badmouthing GWB is a sign of intellectualism or intelligence" if you want. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:06:59 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: This goes back to 'badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance', Judy. It's kinda like shutting down free speech'. Thus, the subsequent comment on democracy. I'm accustomed to my own stream of consciousness thinking but, surprised when I find it in others. (you) From: Judy Taylor What is your comment supposed to mean Lance? What does GWB have to do with what I have been discussing? As I have noted before - you are forever locked into the personal On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:11:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I believe GWB to be sincere also. From: Judy Taylor The lines may be blurred in countries like the US, Canada, Australia, and the UK (to all but the SP's :) However, they are quite apparent to anyone who has lived in a third world country recently. I was commenting on the article in the current National Geographic about the Ukraine which shows a photo of a peninsula there with mansions on it. Our Missions friend told me this is the fruit of graft, corruption, and the Russian Mafia which have risen to the top of the heap rather quickly. Our island born SIL can tell you the same about his homeland. Whoever rises to the top in Government treats the treasury like their own checkbook and their children are the ones who go overseas to attend the best schools. Of course there is a lot of it in the countries named above also, we observe Congress giving themselves raises all the time and a Congressman who just spent 20yrs in prison will still get his pension whereas a serviceman would have to forfeit his... so although imperfect - with checks and balances in place our system still beats any in the third world until the Lord returns to straighten it all out for us. Maranatha!! On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:47:36 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The United States of America is not a Democracy Lance; it is a Democratic Republic - which is good training because God's Kingdom is not a "Democracy" either. You should be relieved that the will of fallen humanity is not on the throne. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:28:
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How is it, Lance, that you can call others unteachable, but then refuse to define your meaning? Do you wish to encourage others in the Lord or just hurl epithets? iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 5:38 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? I won't BE answering you on this, Judy. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 09, 2006 06:25 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? You still haven't answered my query ... What does "teachable" look like to you? or How do you - Lance Muir determine whether or not one is "teachable?" On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 06:13:44 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: 1. I DO NOT BELIEVE that none on TT is teachable! 2. 'personal brand of humility'? NO! From: Judy Taylor I like what Iz says also Lance; but I am curious about your definition since you are constantly making public note of the fact that noone who differs from you on TT is "teachable" I'd appreciate hearing it from you - not DM, BT, JS, Caroline, Debie or Slade, especially since you have been so critical of DM and accuse him of being dense or thick or something like this. IMO BT has nothing to teach others on this subject until he begins to demonstrate some of it in his own life and this applies to others on your list also. Why do you never respond to questions and \always seem to defer them to someone else. Is this your own personal brand of humility? On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 05:00:31 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: One could not but AMEN that, Iz. Well said. From: ShieldsFamily Being teachable is a state of heart. A lack of pride. A humility. A brokenness. Eagerness to repent. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir It is not necessary, Judy. DM, BT, JS, Caroline, Debbie & Slade have all attempted to do so, unsuccessfully. I perceive each to be superior to me so.. From: Judy Taylor Can you describe what you call "being teachable" looks like for us Lance? On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 06:33:12 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: There is a rather large distinction between agreeing with you Kevin, and being teachable. From: Kevin Deegan Your not teachable Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Did you send your kids to SS? Do you have no evangelistic mtgs where you are? Do some in attendance at either ever get converted? Do you have other names you prefer over 'conversion', Kevin. That you Kevin, believe yourself 'fully known (Paul's) doctrine' I've no doubt. I'd recommend to the moderator that we all take a hiatus from writing and, just let you teach us. From: Kevin Deegan Paul said: But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery BTW what is wrong with preaching Jesus Christ? or should we preach SS & Conversion at our evangelistic meetings? Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical. So what is you better idea? DAVEH: Practice what you preach. By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so
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HEY wait a second IZ I have bumper stickers on my car is that a problem? They say things such as Visualize Whirled Peas ; ) Just kiddin Actually I have scripture on my car GO FIGURE...ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Ignorance is in the dictionary. Look it up. It seems apparent to me that the most ignorant are often the proudest of it, like the types who plaster their cars with bumper stickers that say things like Visualize World Peace, etc. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 4:03 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Iz:If by 'showing one's ignorance' you mean 'those who disagree with me and mine then we disagree. Have you never come to occupy a position than you once denounced? I have. (Smart remarks OK but, not necessary) - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 18:00Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Lance, showing ones ignorance is not only legitimate but is an art in democracy. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 11:23 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Nothing of the kind, Judy. I only wish for it to be legitimate in a democratic society. Apparently, you do not. I actually understand this kind of thinking. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 10:18Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? What's this "stream of consciousness" business... don't you think before you speak Lance?I'm all for "freedom of speech" - for instance you are free to disagree and state that "badmouthing GWBis a sign of intellectualism or intelligence" if you want. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:06:59 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: This goes back to 'badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance', Judy. It's kinda like shutting down free speech'. Thus, the subsequent comment on democracy. I'm accustomed to my own stream of consciousness thinking but, surprised when I find it in others. (you) From: Judy Taylor What is your comment supposed to mean Lance?What does GWB have to do with what I have been discussing?As I have noted before - you are forever locked into the personal On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:11:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I believe GWB to be sincere also. From: Judy Taylor The lines may be blurred in countries like the US, Canada, Australia, and the UK (to all but the SP's :)However, they are quite apparent to anyone who has lived in a third world country recently. I was commentingon the article in the current National Geographic about the Ukraine which shows a photo of a peninsula therewith mansions on it. Our Missions friend told me this is the fruit of graft, corruption, and the Russian Mafia which have risen to the top of the heap rather quickly. Our island born SIL can tell you the same about his homeland. Whoever rises to the top in Government treats the treasury like their own checkbook and their children are the ones who go overseas to attend the best schools. Of course there is a lot of it in the countries named above also, we observe Congress giving themselves raises all the time and a Congressman who just spent 20yrs in prison will still get his pension whereas aserviceman would have to forfeit his... so although imperfect - with checks and balances in place our systemstill beats any in the third world until the Lord returns to straighten it all out for us. Maranatha!! On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:47:36 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The United States of America is not a Democracy Lance; it is a Democratic Republic - which is goodtraining because God's Kingdom is not a "Democracy" either. You should be relieved that the will offallen humanity is not on the throne. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:28:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: How could one ask for more than to be present on a 'chat room' where ppl illustrate the absence of a democratic frame of mind? From: Judy Taylor Badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance. Our youngest girl's flatmate was a missionary to the Ukrainefor 5yrs and has just gotten back from a trip to Germany by way of the Ukraine to visit her friends there. She speaks Russian and when the plane couldn'
RE: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Ignorance is in the dictionary. Look it up. It seems apparent to me that the most ignorant are often the proudest of it, like the types who plaster their cars with bumper stickers that say things like Visualize World Peace, etc. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 4:03 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Iz:If by 'showing one's ignorance' you mean 'those who disagree with me and mine then we disagree. Have you never come to occupy a position than you once denounced? I have. (Smart remarks OK but, not necessary) - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 18:00 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Lance, showing one’s ignorance is not only legitimate but is an art in democracy. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 11:23 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Nothing of the kind, Judy. I only wish for it to be legitimate in a democratic society. Apparently, you do not. I actually understand this kind of thinking. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 10:18 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? What's this "stream of consciousness" business... don't you think before you speak Lance? I'm all for "freedom of speech" - for instance you are free to disagree and state that "badmouthing GWB is a sign of intellectualism or intelligence" if you want. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:06:59 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: This goes back to 'badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance', Judy. It's kinda like shutting down free speech'. Thus, the subsequent comment on democracy. I'm accustomed to my own stream of consciousness thinking but, surprised when I find it in others. (you) From: Judy Taylor What is your comment supposed to mean Lance? What does GWB have to do with what I have been discussing? As I have noted before - you are forever locked into the personal On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:11:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I believe GWB to be sincere also. From: Judy Taylor The lines may be blurred in countries like the US, Canada, Australia, and the UK (to all but the SP's :) However, they are quite apparent to anyone who has lived in a third world country recently. I was commenting on the article in the current National Geographic about the Ukraine which shows a photo of a peninsula there with mansions on it. Our Missions friend told me this is the fruit of graft, corruption, and the Russian Mafia which have risen to the top of the heap rather quickly. Our island born SIL can tell you the same about his homeland. Whoever rises to the top in Government treats the treasury like their own checkbook and their children are the ones who go overseas to attend the best schools. Of course there is a lot of it in the countries named above also, we observe Congress giving themselves raises all the time and a Congressman who just spent 20yrs in prison will still get his pension whereas a serviceman would have to forfeit his... so although imperfect - with checks and balances in place our system still beats any in the third world until the Lord returns to straighten it all out for us. Maranatha!! On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:47:36 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The United States of America is not a Democracy Lance; it is a Democratic Republic - which is good training because God's Kingdom is not a "Democracy" either. You should be relieved that the will of fallen humanity is not on the throne. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:28:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: How could one ask for more than to be present on a 'chat room' where ppl illustrate the absence of a democratic frame of mind? From: Judy Taylor Badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance. Our youngest girl's flatmate was a missionary to the Ukraine for 5yrs and has just gotten back from a trip to Germany by way of the Ukraine to visit her friends there. She speaks Russian and when the plane couldn't land because of fog was able to translate for the Ukrainians on board who had to return to Budapest and spend the night. She tells m
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Is that an attack on as you put it my Person? Is such synonomous with AD-HOM? Shall we discuss your favorite subject and change the site name to Personality Talk? Can we get a group hug first?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Neither. It is who I perceive you to be as a 'person'.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 09, 2006 07:18 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Is it the two sentences from me or the Five BIBLE verses that you consider a RANT?Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DAVEH: I can understand you saying that about Lance, Kevin.but, why did you include Judge Dean in that rant?Kevin Deegan wrote: You & Lance can attack all you want. God says and eternity will reveal the wisdom of winning souls! Pr 11:30 The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise. 1 co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 1 co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. JN 4:36 And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together. 2 Co 9:6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/8/2006 5:23:10 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. cd: But Lance you said that it was fair earlier to moderate using those principles-and even earlier that that you said that you were glad I was moderator-now only hatred exists? What happened? Pope is a little much-How about Bishop Moderator-or better yet Moderator Bishop-nay.. still doesn't work..O' well we can keep trying ?The lost comments are correct Lance-This is not meant to be mean to you but to help you understand-One cannot refuse as much of the Bible as you do and be one of God's-it doesn't work that way Lance-I would much rather say this now and get you to understand the principle behind my words than to be there when God say's "depart from me". At that time it will then be too late-I fear that will happen to you.-- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
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Of course what else is NEW? Is it because you are preparing an answer on you own dollar$ supporting WMD?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I won't BE answering you on this, Judy.- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 09, 2006 06:25 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?You still haven't answered my query ... What does "teachable" look like to you? or How do you - Lance Muir determine whether or not one is "teachable?" On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 06:13:44 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:1. I DO NOT BELIEVE that none on TT is teachable! 2. 'personal brand of humility'? NO! From: Judy Taylor I like what Iz says also Lance; but I am curious about your definition since you are constantly making public note of the fact that noone who differs from you on TT is "teachable" I'd appreciate hearing it from you - not DM, BT, JS, Caroline, Debie or Slade, especially since you have been so critical of DM and accuse him of being dense or thick or something like this. IMO BT has nothing to teach others on this subject until he begins to demonstrate some of it in his own life and this applies to others on your list also. Why do you never respond to questions and \always seem to defer them to someone else. Is this your own personal brand of humility? On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 05:00:31 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:One could not but AMEN that, Iz. Well said.From: ShieldsFamily Being teachable is a state of heart. A lack of pride. A humility. A brokenness. Eagerness to repent. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirIt is not necessary, Judy. DM, BT, JS, Caroline, Debbie & Slade have all attempted to do so, unsuccessfully. I perceive each to be superior to me so.. From: Judy Taylor Can you describe what you call "being teachable" looks like for us Lance? On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 06:33:12 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: There is a rather large distinction between agreeing with you Kevin, and being teachable. From: Kevin Deegan Your not teachableLance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Did you send your kids to SS? Do you have no evangelistic mtgs where you are? Do some in attendance at either ever get converted? Do you have other names you prefer over 'conversion', Kevin. That you Kevin, believe yourself 'fully known (Paul's) doctrine' I've no doubt. I'd recommend to the moderator that we all take a hiatus from writing and, just let you teach us. From: Kevin Deegan Paul said:But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mysteryBTW what is wrong with preaching Jesus Christ?or should we preach SS & Conversion at our evangelistic meetings?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPe
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Now that was funnyDave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DAVEH: Is that a Mormon girl trying to give you a karate chop, Dean?!?!?! ;-)> **>> >-- ~~~Dave Hansen[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.langlitz.com~~~If you wish to receivethings I find interesting,I maintain six email lists...JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS,STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Neither. It is who I perceive you to be as a
'person'.
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 09, 2006 07:18
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of
truthtalk?
Is it the two sentences from me or
the Five BIBLE verses that you consider a RANT?Dave
Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
DAVEH:
I can understand you saying that about Lance, Kevin.but, why did you
include Judge Dean in that rant?Kevin Deegan wrote:
You &
Lance can attack all you want. God says and eternity will reveal the
wisdom of winning souls!
Pr 11:30
The fruit of the righteous is a tree of
life; and he that winneth souls is
wise.
1 co 1:18 For the preaching
of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us
which are saved it is the power of God.
1 co 1:21 For after that in
the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God
by the foolishness of preaching to save them that
believe.
JN 4:36 And he that reapeth receiveth
wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal:
that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice
together.
2 Co 9:6 But this I say, He
which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth
bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/8/2006 5:23:10 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of
truthtalk?
DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going
to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery.
Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As
they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most
assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying
the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for
hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of
logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle
East.
cd: But Lance you said
that it was fair earlier to moderate using those principles-and even
earlier that that you said that you were glad I was moderator-now only
hatred exists? What happened? Pope is a little much-How about Bishop
Moderator-or better yet Moderator Bishop-nay.. still doesn't work..O'
well we can keep trying ?The lost comments are correct Lance-This
is not meant to be mean to you but to help you understand-One cannot
refuse as much of the Bible as you do and be one of God's-it doesn't
work that way Lance-I would much rather say this now and get you to
understand the principle behind my words than to be there
when God say's "depart from me". At that time it will then be too
late-I fear that will happen to
you.-- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New
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Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Is it the two sentences from me or the Five BIBLE verses that you consider a RANT?Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DAVEH: I can understand you saying that about Lance, Kevin.but, why did you include Judge Dean in that rant?Kevin Deegan wrote: You & Lance can attack all you want. God says and eternity will reveal the wisdom of winning souls! Pr 11:30 The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise. 1 co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 1 co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. JN 4:36 And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together. 2 Co 9:6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/8/2006 5:23:10 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. cd: But Lance you said that it was fair earlier to moderate using those principles-and even earlier that that you said that you were glad I was moderator-now only hatred exists? What happened? Pope is a little much-How about Bishop Moderator-or better yet Moderator Bishop-nay.. still doesn't work..O' well we can keep trying ?The lost comments are correct Lance-This is not meant to be mean to you but to help you understand-One cannot refuse as much of the Bible as you do and be one of God's-it doesn't work that way Lance-I would much rather say this now and get you to understand the principle behind my words than to be there when God say's "depart from me". At that time it will then be too late-I fear that will happen to you.-- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
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I won't BE answering you on this, Judy. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 09, 2006 06:25 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? You still haven't answered my query ... What does "teachable" look like to you? or How do you - Lance Muir determine whether or not one is "teachable?" On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 06:13:44 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: 1. I DO NOT BELIEVE that none on TT is teachable! 2. 'personal brand of humility'? NO! From: Judy Taylor I like what Iz says also Lance; but I am curious about your definition since you are constantly making public note of the fact that noone who differs from you on TT is "teachable" I'd appreciate hearing it from you - not DM, BT, JS, Caroline, Debie or Slade, especially since you have been so critical of DM and accuse him of being dense or thick or something like this. IMO BT has nothing to teach others on this subject until he begins to demonstrate some of it in his own life and this applies to others on your list also. Why do you never respond to questions and \always seem to defer them to someone else. Is this your own personal brand of humility? On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 05:00:31 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: One could not but AMEN that, Iz. Well said. From: ShieldsFamily Being teachable is a state of heart. A lack of pride. A humility. A brokenness. Eagerness to repent. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirIt is not necessary, Judy. DM, BT, JS, Caroline, Debbie & Slade have all attempted to do so, unsuccessfully. I perceive each to be superior to me so.. From: Judy Taylor Can you describe what you call "being teachable" looks like for us Lance? On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 06:33:12 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: There is a rather large distinction between agreeing with you Kevin, and being teachable. From: Kevin Deegan Your not teachableLance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Did you send your kids to SS? Do you have no evangelistic mtgs where you are? Do some in attendance at either ever get converted? Do you have other names you prefer over 'conversion', Kevin. That you Kevin, believe yourself 'fully known (Paul's) doctrine' I've no doubt. I'd recommend to the moderator that we all take a hiatus from writing and, just let you teach us. From: Kevin Deegan Paul said: But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery BTW what is wrong with preaching Jesus Christ? or should we preach SS & Conversion at our evangelistic meetings? Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain&
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
- Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/9/2006 3:30:12 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: Is that a Mormon girl trying to give you a karate chop, Dean?!?!?! ;-) cd: Cute-No Dave she is a Pagan also. Did the artical come thru with the picture? -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
East.
- Original
Message -
From: Dave
Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006
02:03
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
The 'spirit' of
truthtalk?
to clear the
confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make
against others.
DAVEH:
That's what I asked you to do when you made a false
accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months
back. Your response was that you didn't know how to
use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove
that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which
is logically illogical.So what is you
better
idea?DAVEH:
Practice what you preach.By the way I can
change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you
cannot.DAVEH:
Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of
fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT,
it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in
TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy
to rest.you
show no hesitation provoking me-Why is
that?DAVEH: I'm
not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a
different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live
in a different world, where they are in constant battle with
everybody, including some that at first appear to be on
their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've
found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them,
so I find how they think and operate to be rather
interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of
those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a
strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some
SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of
___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word),
which to me seems at odds with their mission
statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them
tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they
are. I don't know if that makes much sense,
Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling
onwith the way
things are going He should be able to read it here in a
short amount of
time.DAVEH:
??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going
to invite the Bishop of TT to
return?
The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks
if one can prove his point to a reasonable
conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of
course)DAVEH: Did the
rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on
the fly to suit the needs of the moderator???
As a moderator, is that what you consider to be
fair?
Moderator: No,
DaveH but there are many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going
on here so to clear
the confusion one should be able to prove their charge
they make against others. One should not knock
an idea unless one can offer a better one or lose
credibility-So what is
you better idea?I am all ears. By the way I can change the
rules if there is good reason to do so-but you
cannot.(maybe he found love for me after
all.)DAVEH: We
all love you, Dean. I'm just not sure we all can
tolerate, let alone survive,
you!
Moderator: For
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
- Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/9/2006 1:57:44 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: I can understand you saying that about Lance, Kevin.but, why did you include Judge Dean in that rant? cd: Hey-No fair-Where is the moderator?Ad. HOM!- Ad. Homein attack!! Someone get the Moderator-That is Judge Moore to you buddy!!
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
1. I DO NOT BELIEVE that none on TT is
teachable!
2. 'personal brand of humility'?
NO!
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 09, 2006 06:00
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of
truthtalk?
I like what Iz says also Lance; but I am curious
about your definition since you are constantly making public note
of the fact that noone who differs from you on TT is
"teachable" I'd appreciate hearing it from you - not DM, BT,
JS, Caroline, Debie or Slade, especially since you
have been so critical of DM and accuse him
of being dense
or thick or something like this. IMO BT has nothing to teach others on this subject until he
begins to demonstrate
some of it in his own life and this applies to
others on your list also. Why do you never respond to questions
and \always seem to defer them
to someone else. Is this your own personal
brand of humility?
On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 05:00:31 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
One could not but AMEN that, Iz. Well
said.
From: ShieldsFamily
Being teachable
is a state of heart. A lack of pride. A humility. A
brokenness. Eagerness to repent.
iz
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance
MuirIt is not necessary, Judy. DM,
BT, JS, Caroline, Debbie & Slade have all attempted to do so,
unsuccessfully. I perceive each to be superior to me
so..
From: Judy
Taylor
Can you describe what you call "being teachable" looks
like for us Lance?
On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 06:33:12 -0500 "Lance Muir"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
There is a rather large
distinction between agreeing with you Kevin, and being
teachable.
From:
Kevin Deegan
Your not
teachableLance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Did you send your kids
to SS? Do you have no evangelistic mtgs where you are? Do some in
attendance at either ever get converted? Do you have other names you
prefer over 'conversion', Kevin. That you
Kevin, believe yourself 'fully known (Paul's) doctrine' I've no
doubt. I'd recommend to the moderator that we all take a hiatus from
writing and, just let you teach
us.
From: Kevin Deegan
Paul
said:
But
thou hast fully known
my
doctrine, manner of life, purpose,
faith, longsuffering, charity,
patience,
Now
to him that is of power to stablish you according to
my
gospel, and the
preaching of
Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the
mystery
BTW what is
wrong with preaching Jesus
Christ?
or should we
preach SS & Conversion at our evangelistic
meetings?
Lance Muir
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
DH:TT has a NEW
POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your
mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their)
gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it
the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly
not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the
same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for
hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort
of logic employed by their commander in chief over the
Middle
East.
- Original
Message -
From: Dave
Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Marc
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/8/2006 10:02:55 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Just make sure you are on THE roll up yonder!cd: cd: I am as fear of God still exists with me.Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/8/2006 6:59:22 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Somehow ppl think you are a serious fanatic if you wear a sandwich board! cd:I wonder where they ever got that idea? Have you been wearing one?;-) I'm on a roll:-)Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/8/2006 8:12:14 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Some of that which you said sounds OK, Judy. Look, if they want to present themselves as 'sandwich board ppl' ssup to them. Some SEE THEMSELVES as 'fools for Christ' while some are seen as just...well you know.. cd: Just another conformation that you need what you think you already have Lance? 1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And what is wrong with Sandwich signs: Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
I like what Iz says also Lance; but I am curious about
your definition since you are constantly making
public note
of the fact that noone who differs from you on TT is
"teachable" I'd appreciate hearing it from you
- not DM, BT,
JS, Caroline, Debie or Slade, especially since you have
been so critical of DM and accuse him of being dense
or thick or something like this. IMO BT has nothing to teach others on this subject until he
begins to demonstrate
some of it in his own life and this applies to
others on your list also. Why do you never respond to questions and
\always seem to defer them to
someone else. Is this your own personal brand
of humility?
On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 05:00:31 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
One could not but AMEN that, Iz. Well
said.
From: ShieldsFamily
Being teachable is
a state of heart. A lack of pride. A humility. A
brokenness. Eagerness to repent.
iz
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance
MuirIt is not necessary, Judy. DM,
BT, JS, Caroline, Debbie & Slade have all attempted to do so,
unsuccessfully. I perceive each to be superior to me
so..
From: Judy
Taylor
Can you describe what you call "being teachable" looks like
for us Lance?
On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 06:33:12 -0500 "Lance Muir"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
There is a rather large
distinction between agreeing with you Kevin, and being
teachable.
From:
Kevin Deegan
Your not
teachableLance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Did you send your kids to
SS? Do you have no evangelistic mtgs where you are? Do some in
attendance at either ever get converted? Do you have other names you
prefer over 'conversion', Kevin. That you
Kevin, believe yourself 'fully known (Paul's) doctrine' I've no doubt.
I'd recommend to the moderator that we all take a hiatus from writing
and, just let you teach
us.
From:
Kevin Deegan
Paul
said:
But
thou hast fully known my
doctrine, manner of life, purpose,
faith, longsuffering, charity,
patience,
Now to
him that is of power to stablish you according to
my
gospel,
and the preaching of
Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the
mystery
BTW what is
wrong with preaching Jesus
Christ?
or should we
preach SS & Conversion at our evangelistic
meetings?
Lance Muir
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
DH:TT has a NEW POPE!
You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP
types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine)
by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the
means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to
Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is
the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do
what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their
commander in chief over the Middle
East.
- Original
Message -
From: Dave
Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006
02:03
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
to
clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge
they make against others.
DAVEH: That's
what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me
(condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was
that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my
responsibility to prove that I didn't say something th
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
One could not but AMEN that, Iz. Well
said.
- Original Message -
From:
ShieldsFamily
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006 17:47
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of
truthtalk?
Being teachable is a
state of heart. A lack of pride. A humility. A
brokenness. Eagerness to repent. iz
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 7:27
AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of
truthtalk?
It is not necessary, Judy. DM, BT,
JS, Caroline, Debbie & Slade have all attempted to do so, unsuccessfully.
I perceive each to be superior to me
so..
- Original Message -
From: Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March
08, 2006 08:13
Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Can you describe what you call "being teachable"
looks like for us Lance?
On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 06:33:12 -0500 "Lance Muir"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
There is a rather large
distinction between agreeing with you Kevin, and being
teachable.
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent:
March 08, 2006 06:17
Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of
truthtalk?
Your not teachableLance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Did you send your kids to
SS? Do you have no evangelistic mtgs where you are? Do some in
attendance at either ever get converted? Do you have other names you
prefer over 'conversion', Kevin.
That you Kevin, believe
yourself 'fully known (Paul's) doctrine' I've no doubt. I'd recommend to
the moderator that we all take a hiatus from writing and, just let you
teach us.
- Original Message
-
From:
Kevin Deegan
To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent:
March 08, 2006 06:07
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of
truthtalk?
Paul
said:
But thou hast fully
known my
doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith,
longsuffering, charity,
patience,
Now to him that is
of power to stablish you according to
my
gospel,
and the preaching of Jesus
Christ,
according to the revelation of the
mystery
BTW what is
wrong with preaching Jesus Christ?
or should we
preach SS & Conversion at our evangelistic
meetings?
Lance Muir
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
DH:TT has a NEW POPE!
You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP
types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by
any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means.
Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet,
we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the
lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This
is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over
the Middle
East.
- Original Message
-
From: Dave
Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006
02:03
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
to clear
the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make
against others.
DAVEH: That's
what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me
(condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was
that you didn't know how
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
No Dean, not chapter but, an entire book.
Thessalonians?
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006 17:48
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of
truthtalk?
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/8/2006 5:34:32 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit'
of truthtalk?
It'd appear that we do all speak English, Dean.
Now, as everyone else has taken, IMO a rather unconvincing, run at the fg,
may I ask YOU, Dean...Rather than proof-texting (the exceptions having been
Bill, David and John), are you able to open say the gospel of John or the
book of Ephesians and, thereafter explain it in it's entirety without
difficulty for either yourself or any believer? If yes then, please
demonstrate. If no then, qualify your statement (what you say) in line with
what you can actually do.
cd: Sure Chapter are we speaking
of? Fire away.
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 07, 2006 18:28
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit'
of truthtalk?
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/7/2006 5:54:36 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
THE truth to read MY truth or, truth as I
interpret it.
How I read the words that are
spoken-We all do speak English right?
- Original Message -
From:
Dean Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 06, 2006 18:13
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can
prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine
decision of course)-Please explanation after my coming chastisement
from David.But don't jump the gun and attack me as he seems to be
hesitating(maybe he found love for me after all.)-and if wrong you
will still be dealing with a moderator-that will not take any
crap:-)
- Original Message -
From:
Dave
Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 12:52:42 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
DAVEH: Dean, does this not
qualify as an ad-hom?Dean Moore wrote:
cd: or lose all
creditability as Lance had done in my opinion of this
matter.
--
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Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
'Large sections of the Bible.that are included in
my understanding'. The majority, not including those on TT, would do so,
Dean.
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006 17:45
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of
truthtalk?
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/8/2006 5:33:55 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit'
of truthtalk?
How can that (my interpretation implies Dean)
be wrong?
cd: Because your interpretation
disallows large sections of the Bible Lance that are included in my
understanding.
Where does one go from here? Your honor,
my client pleads insanity.
cd: That's it Judge Moore-Thank
you Lance.Kinda reminds me of the Sylvester Stallion movie" Judge Dredd" or
something like that. Hence forth that's what it will be-"Judge Moore" at
your service:-)
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 07, 2006 18:36
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit'
of truthtalk?
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/7/2006 6:04:30 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
Follow your conscience, Dean. Sometimes
your conscience is directed by God but, sometimes
cd: I do not preach another conscience
Lance-I preach the written word of God -from the Bible itself-again
words have meaning and it is written in English .How can that be
wrong?
- Original Message -
From:
Dean Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 06, 2006 20:56
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
cd: Is speaking of the greatness if Christ "objective" to
you Lance? That is what I we do. Would you like to come and hear me
speak-or Kevin? He is Just across the falls and I will meet you
there? We only encourage others to come to Jesus-why are we wrong to
do so?
- Original Message -
From:
Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/6/2006 12:23:25 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
Me too, Dave. When TRUELY OBJECTIONABLE
BEHAVIOUR is objected to (by 'acting out') these persons
occasionally do seem surprised.
- Original Message -
From:
Dave
Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 06, 2006
10:43
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
DAVEH: OK Dean, I understand your sensitivity
to such and will respond without using the words you find
objectionable. I would like to continue to discuss this, as
I find it interesting to see how SPers
think. I am curious as to why one would
still show up on somebody's doorstep when an objectionable topic
is mentioned rather than discuss it with them via the phone or
email? What is to be accomplished by a personal visit?
Most folks would understand such a visit to be a physical threat,
even though it could be claimed that the offended has a
constitutional right to confront the
offender. The reason I ask this is
because it seems to me that many SPers seemed surprised that they
are physically attacked when confronting sinners on the
streets. Yet they feel compelled to stare the jaws of death
(so to speak) in the mouth. Is this a martyr complex of
sorts? Does it give SPers confidence if they are persecuted
for the Lord's sake ? I suppose an argument can be made that
if one dies while in the service of the Lord, it would be a
feather in the cap of the persecuted while at the same time
driving the persecutor even deeper into hell. To me that
seems like rather odd logic, considering that the SPer (or guy
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
1. 'Those principles', Dean? Which?
2. I don't mind YOU being moderator, Dean.
You do, IMO, change horses in midstream a lot but, I can adjust.
3. I don't think of you as 'mean' Kevin. I
believe you're doing the best with what you've got. What more can one ask of
one?
4. As to 'refusing so much of the Bible'
Dean, I'm attempting to be patient with someone who misinterprets so much of it
yet, moderates TT.
thanks for the, ATY, beneficient
thoughts..
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006 17:36
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of
truthtalk?
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/8/2006 5:23:10 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit'
of truthtalk?
DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have
to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the
(their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the
end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind
as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the
camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do.
This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the
Middle East.
cd: But Lance you said that it
was fair earlier to moderate using those principles-and even earlier that
that you said that you were glad I was moderator-now only hatred exists?
What happened? Pope is a little much-How about Bishop Moderator-or better
yet Moderator Bishop-nay.. still doesn't work..O' well we can keep trying
?The lost comments are correct Lance-This is not meant to be mean to
you but to help you understand-One cannot refuse as much of the Bible as you
do and be one of God's-it doesn't work that way Lance-I would much rather
say this now and get you to understand the principle behind my
words than to be there when God say's "depart from me". At that
time it will then be too late-I fear that will happen to
you.
- Original Message -
From:
Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit'
of truthtalk?
to clear the confusion one should
be able to prove their charge they make against others.
DAVEH: That's what I asked you to
do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few
months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the
archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say
something that I didn't say. Which is logically
illogical.So what is you better
idea?DAVEH: Practice what you
preach.By the way I can change the rules
if there is good reason to do so-but you
cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume
this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I
joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT.
It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesita tion provoking me-Why is
that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I
find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like
some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle
with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of
the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't
have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be
rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those
they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a
product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to
lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the
word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So
I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes
SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense,
Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read
it here in a short amount of
time.DAVEH: ??? What's
that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to
return?
The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one
can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose
conclusion? Why mine decision of
course)DAVEH:
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
DAVEH: Is that a Mormon girl trying to give you a karate chop, Dean?!?!?! ;-) -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
DAVEH: I can understand you saying that about Lance, Kevin.but, why did you include Judge Dean in that rant? Kevin Deegan wrote: You & Lance can attack all you want. God says and eternity will reveal the wisdom of winning souls! Pr 11:30 The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise. 1 co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 1 co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. JN 4:36 And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together. 2 Co 9:6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/8/2006 5:23:10 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. cd: But Lance you said that it was fair earlier to moderate using those principles-and even earlier that that you said that you were glad I was moderator-now only hatred exists? What happened? Pope is a little much-How about Bishop Moderator-or better yet Moderator Bishop-nay.. still doesn't work..O' well we can keep trying ?The lost comments are correct Lance-This is not meant to be mean to you but to help you understand-One cannot refuse as much of the Bible as you do and be one of God's-it doesn't work that way Lance-I would much rather say this now and get you to understand the principle behind my words than to be there when God say's "depart from me". At that time it will then be too late-I fear that will happen to you. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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You & Lance can attack all you want. God says and eternity will reveal the wisdom of winning souls! Pr 11:30 The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise. 1 co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 1 co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. JN 4:36 And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together. 2 Co 9:6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/8/2006 5:23:10 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. cd: But Lance you said that it was fair earlier to moderate using those principles-and even earlier that that you said that you were glad I was moderator-now only hatred exists? What happened? Pope is a little much-How about Bishop Moderator-or better yet Moderator Bishop-nay.. still doesn't work..O' well we can keep trying ?The lost comments are correct Lance-This is not meant to be mean to you but to help you understand-One cannot refuse as much of the Bible as you do and be one of God's-it doesn't work that way Lance-I would much rather say this now and get you to understand the principle behind my words than to be there when God say's "depart from me". At that time it will then be too late-I fear that will happen to you.- Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others.. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesita tion provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return? The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? Moderator: No, DaveH but there are many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. One should not knock an idea unless one ca
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Just make sure you are on THE roll up yonder!Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/8/2006 6:59:22 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Somehow ppl think you are a serious fanatic if you wear a sandwich board! cd:I wonder where they ever got that idea? Have you been wearing one?;-) I'm on a roll:-)Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/8/2006 8:12:14 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Some of that which you said sounds OK, Judy. Look, if they want to present themselves as 'sandwich board ppl' ssup to them. Some SEE THEMSELVES as 'fools for Christ' while some are seen as just...well you know.. cd: Just another conformation that you need what you think you already have Lance?1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And what is wrong with Sandwich signs: Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
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- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/8/2006 6:59:22 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Somehow ppl think you are a serious fanatic if you wear a sandwich board! cd:I wonder where they ever got that idea? Have you been wearing one?;-) I'm on a roll:-)Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/8/2006 8:12:14 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Some of that which you said sounds OK, Judy. Look, if they want to present themselves as 'sandwich board ppl' ssup to them. Some SEE THEMSELVES as 'fools for Christ' while some are seen as just...well you know.. cd: Just another conformation that you need what you think you already have Lance? 1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And what is wrong with Sandwich signs: Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
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- Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/8/2006 2:04:08 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical. cd: You claimed it to be false I do not-but if I remember correctly you stated at that time that you understood why I was having difficultly finding the posting in the archives because you also tried the search to no avail-Has that you made statement changed?Maybe the owner of TTwould stop being so cheap and get us a better search engine-with word search?So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach. cd: When have I done otherwise? Posting please?By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! cd: Yes the fair chance everyone else has who is moderator-I noticed you have never been asked-seems your fairness is the one in question here not mine?Also sound like a jealously issue on your part-Be honest-get a mirror and tell me if your face is red-even now? When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest. cd: The Ad. Hom rule does exist I am only pin pointing it's preamters.If I applied the rules as it is stared I would have to put almost everyone off this site-starting with you-So I am trying to keep you and your friends on this site and still apply the rule that I must apply to do my job? Do You Have Any Helpful Idea's?you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. cd: That is because you lack understanding in the gospel Dave-that you refuse to accept.It is a tool used to create conformity to God's will as stated in the King James Bible. ;-) Kevin. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. cd: Maybe you do not accept the idea that they are not always trying to sell something-In the underware situation they are holding up a part used for false teaching and declaring it to be such-as a warning from God for repentance. The more you complain about this and use it against the believers the deeper you are getting into offending God Dave-receive the Bible/repent of the underware thingy and Mormonism and all will be well-If you have worn them more than 3/4 hours you have defiled them with human waste anyway (1/2 hours if you are an old man). Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling on cd: You are right you do not make much sense Dave: Isa 58:1 Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and show my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins. with the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return? cd: John is back on now Dave.
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Somehow ppl think you are a serious fanatic if you wear a sandwich board!Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/8/2006 8:12:14 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Some of that which you said sounds OK, Judy. Look, if they want to present themselves as 'sandwich board ppl' ssup to them. Some SEE THEMSELVES as 'fools for Christ' while some are seen as just...well you know.. cd: Just another conformation that you need what you think you already have Lance?1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And what is wrong with Sandwich signs: Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
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- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/8/2006 8:12:14 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Some of that which you said sounds OK, Judy. Look, if they want to present themselves as 'sandwich board ppl' ssup to them. Some SEE THEMSELVES as 'fools for Christ' while some are seen as just...well you know.. cd: Just another conformation that you need what you think you already have Lance? 1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And what is wrong with Sandwich signs: <>
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Lance, showing one’s ignorance is not only legitimate but is an art in democracy. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 11:23 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Nothing of the kind, Judy. I only wish for it to be legitimate in a democratic society. Apparently, you do not. I actually understand this kind of thinking. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 10:18 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? What's this "stream of consciousness" business... don't you think before you speak Lance? I'm all for "freedom of speech" - for instance you are free to disagree and state that "badmouthing GWB is a sign of intellectualism or intelligence" if you want. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:06:59 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: This goes back to 'badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance', Judy. It's kinda like shutting down free speech'. Thus, the subsequent comment on democracy. I'm accustomed to my own stream of consciousness thinking but, surprised when I find it in others. (you) From: Judy Taylor What is your comment supposed to mean Lance? What does GWB have to do with what I have been discussing? As I have noted before - you are forever locked into the personal On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:11:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I believe GWB to be sincere also. From: Judy Taylor The lines may be blurred in countries like the US, Canada, Australia, and the UK (to all but the SP's :) However, they are quite apparent to anyone who has lived in a third world country recently. I was commenting on the article in the current National Geographic about the Ukraine which shows a photo of a peninsula there with mansions on it. Our Missions friend told me this is the fruit of graft, corruption, and the Russian Mafia which have risen to the top of the heap rather quickly. Our island born SIL can tell you the same about his homeland. Whoever rises to the top in Government treats the treasury like their own checkbook and their children are the ones who go overseas to attend the best schools. Of course there is a lot of it in the countries named above also, we observe Congress giving themselves raises all the time and a Congressman who just spent 20yrs in prison will still get his pension whereas a serviceman would have to forfeit his... so although imperfect - with checks and balances in place our system still beats any in the third world until the Lord returns to straighten it all out for us. Maranatha!! On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:47:36 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The United States of America is not a Democracy Lance; it is a Democratic Republic - which is good training because God's Kingdom is not a "Democracy" either. You should be relieved that the will of fallen humanity is not on the throne. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:28:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: How could one ask for more than to be present on a 'chat room' where ppl illustrate the absence of a democratic frame of mind? From: Judy Taylor Badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance. Our youngest girl's flatmate was a missionary to the Ukraine for 5yrs and has just gotten back from a trip to Germany by way of the Ukraine to visit her friends there. She speaks Russian and when the plane couldn't land because of fog was able to translate for the Ukrainians on board who had to return to Budapest and spend the night. She tells me that men come from all over to look for a wife in the Ukraine and there were two of them from the US on her flight one of whom must have been a disciple of whoever Lance is listening to because he badmouthed GWB the entire time in a loud voice. From: Kevin Deegan SP's are really Secret Agents for GWB! LOL Are you a conspiracy theorist? Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same
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- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/8/2006 5:34:32 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? It'd appear that we do all speak English, Dean. Now, as everyone else has taken, IMO a rather unconvincing, run at the fg, may I ask YOU, Dean...Rather than proof-texting (the exceptions having been Bill, David and John), are you able to open say the gospel of John or the book of Ephesians and, thereafter explain it in it's entirety without difficulty for either yourself or any believer? If yes then, please demonstrate. If no then, qualify your statement (what you say) in line with what you can actually do. cd: Sure Chapter are we speaking of? Fire away. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 07, 2006 18:28 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/7/2006 5:54:36 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? THE truth to read MY truth or, truth as I interpret it. How I read the words that are spoken-We all do speak English right? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 06, 2006 18:13 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)-Please explanation after my coming chastisement from David.But don't jump the gun and attack me as he seems to be hesitating(maybe he found love for me after all.)-and if wrong you will still be dealing with a moderator-that will not take any crap:-) - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/5/2006 12:52:42 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: Dean, does this not qualify as an ad-hom?Dean Moore wrote: cd: or lose all creditability as Lance had done in my opinion of this matter. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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Being teachable is a state of heart. A lack of pride. A humility. A brokenness. Eagerness to repent. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 7:27 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? It is not necessary, Judy. DM, BT, JS, Caroline, Debbie & Slade have all attempted to do so, unsuccessfully. I perceive each to be superior to me so.. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 08:13 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Can you describe what you call "being teachable" looks like for us Lance? On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 06:33:12 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: There is a rather large distinction between agreeing with you Kevin, and being teachable. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:17 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Your not teachable Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Did you send your kids to SS? Do you have no evangelistic mtgs where you are? Do some in attendance at either ever get converted? Do you have other names you prefer over 'conversion', Kevin. That you Kevin, believe yourself 'fully known (Paul's) doctrine' I've no doubt. I'd recommend to the moderator that we all take a hiatus from writing and, just let you teach us. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:07 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Paul said: But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery BTW what is wrong with preaching Jesus Christ? or should we preach SS & Conversion at our evangelistic meetings? Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. - Original Message ----- From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical. So what is you better idea? DAVEH: Practice what you preach. By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot. DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest. you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that? DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling on with the way things are going He should be able to read i
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- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/8/2006 5:33:55 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? How can that (my interpretation implies Dean) be wrong? cd: Because your interpretation disallows large sections of the Bible Lance that are included in my understanding. Where does one go from here? Your honor, my client pleads insanity. cd: That's it Judge Moore-Thank you Lance.Kinda reminds me of the Sylvester Stallion movie" Judge Dredd" or something like that. Hence forth that's what it will be-"Judge Moore" at your service:-) - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 07, 2006 18:36 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/7/2006 6:04:30 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Follow your conscience, Dean. Sometimes your conscience is directed by God but, sometimes cd: I do not preach another conscience Lance-I preach the written word of God -from the Bible itself-again words have meaning and it is written in English .How can that be wrong? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 06, 2006 20:56 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? cd: Is speaking of the greatness if Christ "objective" to you Lance? That is what I we do. Would you like to come and hear me speak-or Kevin? He is Just across the falls and I will meet you there? We only encourage others to come to Jesus-why are we wrong to do so? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/6/2006 12:23:25 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Me too, Dave. When TRUELY OBJECTIONABLE BEHAVIOUR is objected to (by 'acting out') these persons occasionally do seem surprised. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 06, 2006 10:43 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: OK Dean, I understand your sensitivity to such and will respond without using the words you find objectionable. I would like to continue to discuss this, as I find it interesting to see how SPers think. I am curious as to why one would still show up on somebody's doorstep when an objectionable topic is mentioned rather than discuss it with them via the phone or email? What is to be accomplished by a personal visit? Most folks would understand such a visit to be a physical threat, even though it could be claimed that the offended has a constitutional right to confront the offender. The reason I ask this is because it seems to me that many SPers seemed surprised that they are physically attacked when confronting sinners on the streets. Yet they feel compelled to stare the jaws of death (so to speak) in the mouth. Is this a martyr complex of sorts? Does it give SPers confidence if they are persecuted for the Lord's sake ? I suppose an argument can be made that if one dies while in the service of the Lord, it would be a feather in the cap of the persecuted while at the same time driving the persecutor even deeper into hell. To me that seems like rather odd logic, considering that the SPer (or guy showing up on the doorstep) is somewhat a catalyst in this scenario. IOWIs a SPer guilty of promoting a problem when he uses his constitutionally guaranteed free speech to aggravate a situation that can and will likely turn to violence?Dean Moore wrote: Moderator: Wouldn't have to show up in Portland DaveH-all I would have to do is click a button and my problem is solved and that is exactly what I going to do the next time you use the words-** in the combination that you used them below. Discussion over-warning given! - Original Message ----- From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/5/2006 12:52:41 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: Dean, from what you said previously about the oneness of husband and wife, if I were to ask you about ,, you would take that as a personal attack on ** and would then presume it to be a personal attack on you as well, and then proceed to come to Portland and show up on my doorstep.is that correct? Wouldn't it be smarter just to say the same thing to me via email or a phone call, rather than show up on my doorstep? What would be accomplished by coming to Portland? If I were then to assume you are on my doorstep for a reason other than an amicable discussion, and felt my life was being threatened by your presence on my doorstep, I would probably not answer the door. Wouldn't that just frustrate your reason for going to all that effort, cost, ti
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- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/8/2006 5:23:10 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. cd: But Lance you said that it was fair earlier to moderate using those principles-and even earlier that that you said that you were glad I was moderator-now only hatred exists? What happened? Pope is a little much-How about Bishop Moderator-or better yet Moderator Bishop-nay.. still doesn't work..O' well we can keep trying ?The lost comments are correct Lance-This is not meant to be mean to you but to help you understand-One cannot refuse as much of the Bible as you do and be one of God's-it doesn't work that way Lance-I would much rather say this now and get you to understand the principle behind my words than to be there when God say's "depart from me". At that time it will then be too late-I fear that will happen to you. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesita tion provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return? The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? Moderator: No, DaveH but there are many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. One should not knock an idea unless one can offer a better one or lose credibility-So what is you better idea?I am all ears. By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.(maybe he found love for me after all.)DAVEH: We all love you, Dean. I'm just not sure we all can tolerate, let alone survive, you! Moderator: For someone who expresses concerns about surviving me-you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that? Also love a little harder as it isn't quite coming through my computer Dave. (I'll copy this to John, as he may appreciate the irony in it.) Moderator : Just save it-with the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.Dean Moore wrote: Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of co
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Don't blame Lance it's U NO WHO's fault!Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What is your comment supposed to mean Lance? What does GWB have to do with what I have been discussing? As I have noted before - you are forever locked into the personal On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:11:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:I believe GWB to be sincere also.From: Judy Taylor The lines may be blurred in countries like the US, Canada, Australia, and the UK (to all but the SP's :) However, they are quite apparent to anyone who has lived in a third world country recently. I was commenting on the article in the current National Geographic about the Ukraine which shows a photo of a peninsula there with mansions on it. Our Missions friend told me this is the fruit of graft, corruption, and the Russian Mafia which have risen to the top of the heap rather quickly. Our island born SIL can tell you the same about his homeland. Whoever rises to the top in Government treats the treasury like their own checkbook and their children are the ones who go overseas to attend the best schools. Of course there is a lot of it in the countries named above also, we observe Congress giving themselves raises all the time and a Congressman who just spent 20yrs in prison will still get his pension whereas a serviceman would have to forfeit his... so although imperfect - with checks and balances in place our system still beats any in the third world until the Lord returns to straighten it all out for us. Maranatha!! On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:47:36 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:The United States of America is not a Democracy Lance; it is a Democratic Republic - which is good training because God's Kingdom is not a "Democracy" either. You should be relieved that the will of fallen humanity is not on the throne. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:28:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:How could one ask for more than to be present on a 'chat room' where ppl illustrate the absence of a democratic frame of mind?From: Judy Taylor Badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance. Our youngest girl's flatmate was a missionary to the Ukraine for 5yrs and has just gotten back from a trip to Germany by way of the Ukraine to visit her friends there. She speaks Russian and when the plane couldn't land because of fog was able to translate for the Ukrainians on board who had to return to Budapest and spend the night. She tells me that men come from all over to look for a wife in the Ukraine and there were two of them from the US on her flight one of whom must have been a disciple of whoever Lance is listening to because he badmouthed GWB the entire time in a loud voice. From: Kevin Deegan SP's are really Secret Agents for GWB! LOL Are you a conspiracy theorist?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East.----- Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
ignorance. Our youngest girl's flatmate was a missionary
to the Ukraine
for 5yrs and has just gotten
back from a trip to Germany by way of the Ukraine to visit
her friends there.
She speaks Russian and when
the plane couldn't land because of fog was able to
translate for the
Ukrainians on board who had to
return to Budapest and spend the night. She tells me
that men come
from all over to look for a
wife in the Ukraine and there were two of them from the US
on her flight one
of whom must have been a disciple of whoever
Lance is listening to because he badmouthed GWB
the entire time in a loud
voice.
From: Kevin Deegan
SP's are really
Secret Agents for GWB! LOL
Are you a conspiracy
theorist?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
DH:TT has a NEW
POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO
your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery.
Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by
any means whatsoever. As they see it the end
justifies the means. Though you and I are most
assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we
are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp
is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I
do see why they do what they do. This is the
same sort of logic employed by their commander
in chief over the Middle East.
- Original
Message -
From:
Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March
08, 2006 02:03
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
to clear
the confusion one should be able to prove their
charge they make against others.
DAVEH:
That's what I asked you to do when you made a
false accusation about me (condoning violence) a
few months back. Your response was that
you didn't know how to use the archives, and
that is was my responsibility to prove that I
didn't say something that I didn't say.
Which is logically illogical.So what is you better
idea?DAVEH:
Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the
rules if there is good reason to do so-but you
cannot.DAVEH:
Ahhh..May I assume this is your
perception of
fairness?!?!?! When I
joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was
only one rule in TT. It seems several
moderators have put that fallacy to
rest.you show no
hesitation provoking me-Why is
that?DAVEH:
I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut
from a different bolt of cloth. It seems
like some SPers live in a different world, where
they are in constan
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Isn't it just folly to judge motives? AND Aren't you just trying to elevate your crowd at the expense of my crowd? Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Some of that which you said sounds OK, Judy. Look, if they want to present themselves as 'sandwich board ppl' ssup to them. Some SEE THEMSELVES as 'fools for Christ' while some are seen as just...well you know.. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 08:01 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Lance you talk like they are holding a "doctrinal seminar" out there. Their message is "Repent or Perish" which are the only options in my Bible. What do you think they should be saying "God has a wonderful plan for your life .. his son was incarnated into the womb of his mother so that you can come to the mother church and everyone can just go go on to glory together because he loves you so much that your old stinkin flesh won't matter one bit because it has been subsumed?" (or whatever the word is that you and Bill use) On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 05:22:36 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East.- Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return?The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? Moderator: No, DaveH but there are many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. One should not knock an idea unless one can offer a better one or lose credibility-So what is you better idea?I am all ears. By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.(maybe he found love for me after all.)DAVEH: We all love you, Dean. I'm just not sure we all can tolerate, let alone survive, you! Moderator: For someone who expresses concerns about surviving me-you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that? Also love a little harder as it isn't quite coming through my computer
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
1. No. 2. I do. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 12:27 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Are you saying that his decisions are illegitimate just because some ppl disagree with them Lance? As per your second point. No you don't understanding my kind of thinking at all; this is obvious by your responses to same. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 12:22:55 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Nothing of the kind, Judy. I only wish for it to be legitimate in a democratic society. Apparently, you do not. I actually understand this kind of thinking. From: Judy Taylor What's this "stream of consciousness" business... don't you think before you speak Lance? I'm all for "freedom of speech" - for instance you are free to disagree and state that "badmouthing GWB is a sign of intellectualism or intelligence" if you want. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:06:59 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: This goes back to 'badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance', Judy. It's kinda like shutting down free speech'. Thus, the subsequent comment on democracy. I'm accustomed to my own stream of consciousness thinking but, surprised when I find it in others. (you) From: Judy Taylor What is your comment supposed to mean Lance? What does GWB have to do with what I have been discussing? As I have noted before - you are forever locked into the personal On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:11:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I believe GWB to be sincere also. From: Judy Taylor The lines may be blurred in countries like the US, Canada, Australia, and the UK (to all but the SP's :) However, they are quite apparent to anyone who has lived in a third world country recently. I was commenting on the article in the current National Geographic about the Ukraine which shows a photo of a peninsula there with mansions on it. Our Missions friend told me this is the fruit of graft, corruption, and the Russian Mafia which have risen to the top of the heap rather quickly. Our island born SIL can tell you the same about his homeland. Whoever rises to the top in Government treats the treasury like their own checkbook and their children are the ones who go overseas to attend the best schools. Of course there is a lot of it in the countries named above also, we observe Congress giving themselves raises all the time and a Congressman who just spent 20yrs in prison will still get his pension whereas a serviceman would have to forfeit his... so although imperfect - with checks and balances in place our system still beats any in the third world until the Lord returns to straighten it all out for us. Maranatha!! On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:47:36 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The United States of America is not a Democracy Lance; it is a Democratic Republic - which is good training because God's Kingdom is not a "Democracy" either. You should be relieved that the will of fallen humanity is not on the throne. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:28:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: How could one ask for more than to be present on a 'chat room' where ppl illustrate the absence of a democratic frame of mind? From: Judy Taylor Badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance. Our youngest girl's flatmate was a missionary to the Ukraine for 5yrs and has just gotten back from a trip to Germany by way of the Ukraine to visit
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
m from the US on her
flight one
of whom
must have been a disciple of whoever Lance is listening to
because he badmouthed GWB
the entire time in a loud
voice.
From: Kevin Deegan
SP's are really Secret
Agents for GWB! LOL
Are you a conspiracy theorist?Lance
Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
DH:TT has a NEW POPE!
You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your
mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach
the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means
whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the
means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of
one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying
the same camp. That camp is the camp of the
lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do
what they do. This is the same sort of logic
employed by their commander in chief over the Middle
East.
- Original
Message -
From:
Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March
08, 2006 02:03
Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
to clear
the confusion one should be able to prove their
charge they make against others.
DAVEH:
That's what I asked you to do when you made a
false accusation about me (condoning violence) a
few months back. Your response was that you
didn't know how to use the archives, and that is
was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say
something that I didn't say. Which is
logically illogical.So what is you better
idea?DAVEH:
Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the
rules if there is good reason to do so-but you
cannot.DAVEH:
Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception
of fairness?!?!?! When I
joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was
only one rule in TT. It seems several
moderators have put that fallacy to
rest.you show no
hesitation provoking me-Why is
that?DAVEH: I'm
not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from
a different bolt of cloth. It seems like
some SPers live in a different world, where they
are in constant battle with everybody, including
some that at first appear to be on their side of
the fence. Other than the few Spers I've
found on TT, I really don't have much experience
with them, so I find how they think and operate to
be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving
underwear in the faces of those they want to
convert.) To me it seems such a strange way
to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some
SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure
of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in
the word), which to me seems at odds with their
mission statement. So I've got to wonder
what makes the
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
I'm contrasting the two, Judy. Yes, I can but, not
well.
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006 10:57
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of
truthtalk?
Can you do this Lance?
Are you saying that Dean is called
to be a teacher to the body of Christ?
Rather than proof-texting (the
exceptions having been Bill, David and John), are you able to open say the
gospel of John or the book of Ephesians and, thereafter explain it in it's
entirety without difficulty for either yourself or any believer?
On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 05:30:14 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
It'd appear that we do all speak English, Dean.
Now, as everyone else has taken, IMO a rather unconvincing, run at the fg,
may I ask YOU, Dean...Rather than proof-texting (the exceptions having been
Bill, David and John), are you able to open say the gospel of John or the
book of Ephesians and, thereafter explain it in it's entirety without
difficulty for either yourself or any believer? If yes then, please
demonstrate. If no then, qualify your statement (what you say) in line with
what you can actually do.
From: Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/7/2006 5:54:36 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
THE truth to read MY truth or, truth as I
interpret it.
How I read the words that are
spoken-We all do speak English right?
- Original Message -
From:
Dean Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 06, 2006 18:13
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can
prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine
decision of course)-Please explanation after my coming chastisement
from David.But don't jump the gun and attack me as he seems to be
hesitating(maybe he found love for me after all.)-and if wrong you
will still be dealing with a moderator-that will not take any
crap:-)
- Original Message -
From:
Dave
Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 12:52:42 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
DAVEH: Dean, does this not
qualify as an ad-hom?Dean Moore wrote:
cd: or lose all
creditability as Lance had done in my opinion of this
matter.
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Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Nothing of the kind, Judy. I only wish for it to be legitimate in a democratic society. Apparently, you do not. I actually understand this kind of thinking. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 10:18 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? What's this "stream of consciousness" business... don't you think before you speak Lance? I'm all for "freedom of speech" - for instance you are free to disagree and state that "badmouthing GWB is a sign of intellectualism or intelligence" if you want. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:06:59 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: This goes back to 'badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance', Judy. It's kinda like shutting down free speech'. Thus, the subsequent comment on democracy. I'm accustomed to my own stream of consciousness thinking but, surprised when I find it in others. (you) From: Judy Taylor What is your comment supposed to mean Lance? What does GWB have to do with what I have been discussing? As I have noted before - you are forever locked into the personal On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:11:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I believe GWB to be sincere also. From: Judy Taylor The lines may be blurred in countries like the US, Canada, Australia, and the UK (to all but the SP's :) However, they are quite apparent to anyone who has lived in a third world country recently. I was commenting on the article in the current National Geographic about the Ukraine which shows a photo of a peninsula there with mansions on it. Our Missions friend told me this is the fruit of graft, corruption, and the Russian Mafia which have risen to the top of the heap rather quickly. Our island born SIL can tell you the same about his homeland. Whoever rises to the top in Government treats the treasury like their own checkbook and their children are the ones who go overseas to attend the best schools. Of course there is a lot of it in the countries named above also, we observe Congress giving themselves raises all the time and a Congressman who just spent 20yrs in prison will still get his pension whereas a serviceman would have to forfeit his... so although imperfect - with checks and balances in place our system still beats any in the third world until the Lord returns to straighten it all out for us. Maranatha!! On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:47:36 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The United States of America is not a Democracy Lance; it is a Democratic Republic - which is good training because God's Kingdom is not a "Democracy" either. You should be relieved that the will of fallen humanity is not on the throne. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:28:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: How could one ask for more than to be present on a 'chat room' where ppl illustrate the absence of a democratic frame of mind? From: Judy Taylor Badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance. Our youngest girl's flatmate was a missionary to the Ukraine for 5yrs and has just gotten back from a trip to Germany by way of the Ukraine to visit her friends there. She speaks Russian and when the plane couldn't land because of fog was able to translate for the Ukrainians on board who had to return to Budapest and spend the night. She tells me that men come from all over to look for a wife in the Ukraine and there were two of them from the US on her flight one of whom must have been a disciple of whoever Lance is listening to because he badmouthed GWB the entire time in a loud voice. From: Kevin Deega
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Can you do this Lance?
Are you saying that Dean is called to
be a teacher to the body of Christ?
Rather than proof-texting (the
exceptions having been Bill, David and John), are you able to open say the
gospel of John or the book of Ephesians and, thereafter explain it in it's
entirety without difficulty for either yourself or any believer?
On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 05:30:14 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
It'd appear that we do all speak English, Dean.
Now, as everyone else has taken, IMO a rather unconvincing, run at the fg, may
I ask YOU, Dean...Rather than proof-texting (the exceptions having been Bill,
David and John), are you able to open say the gospel of John or the book of
Ephesians and, thereafter explain it in it's entirety without difficulty for
either yourself or any believer? If yes then, please demonstrate. If no then,
qualify your statement (what you say) in line with what you can actually
do.
From: Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/7/2006 5:54:36 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit'
of truthtalk?
THE truth to read MY truth or, truth as I
interpret it.
How I read the words that are spoken-We
all do speak English right?
- Original Message -
From:
Dean Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 06, 2006 18:13
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can
prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine
decision of course)-Please explanation after my coming chastisement from
David.But don't jump the gun and attack me as he seems to be
hesitating(maybe he found love for me after all.)-and if wrong you will
still be dealing with a moderator-that will not take any
crap:-)
- Original Message -
From:
Dave
Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 12:52:42 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
DAVEH: Dean, does this not
qualify as an ad-hom?Dean Moore wrote:
cd: or lose all
creditability as Lance had done in my opinion of this
matter.
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Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
e) by any means whatsoever.
As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you
and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus
yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp
is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see
why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic
employed by their commander in chief over the Middle
East.
- Original Message
-
From:
Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08,
2006 02:03
Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
to clear the
confusion one should be able to prove their charge
they make against others.
DAVEH: That's
what I asked you to do when you made a false
accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months
back. Your response was that you didn't know how
to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility
to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't
say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better
idea?DAVEH: Practice
what you preach.By the
way I can change the rules if there is good reason to
do so-but you
cannot.DAVEH:
Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of
fairness?!?!?! When I joined
TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule
in TT. It seems several moderators have put that
fallacy to rest.you
show no hesitation provoking me-Why is
that?DAVEH: I'm not
sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a
different bolt of cloth. It seems like some
SPers live in a different world, where they are in
constant battle with everybody, including some that at
first appear to be on their side of the fence.
Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really
don't have much experience with them, so I find how
they think and operate to be rather interesting.
(e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they
want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange
way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some
SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of
___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the
word), which to me seems at odds with their mission
statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them
tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they
are. I don't know if that makes much sense,
Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling
onwith the way
things are going He should be able to read it here in
a short amount of
time.DAVEH:
??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you
going to invite the Bishop of TT to
return?
The truth is not Ad.
Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a
reasonable conclusion(whose
conclusion? Why mine
decision of
course)DAVEH: Did
the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being
modified on the fly to suit the needs of the
moderator??? As a moderator, is that
what you consider to be fair?
Moderator: No,
DaveH but the
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
This goes back to 'badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance', Judy. It's kinda like shutting down free speech'. Thus, the subsequent comment on democracy. I'm accustomed to my own stream of consciousness thinking but, surprised when I find it in others. (you) - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 09:41 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? What is your comment supposed to mean Lance? What does GWB have to do with what I have been discussing? As I have noted before - you are forever locked into the personal On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:11:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I believe GWB to be sincere also. From: Judy Taylor The lines may be blurred in countries like the US, Canada, Australia, and the UK (to all but the SP's :) However, they are quite apparent to anyone who has lived in a third world country recently. I was commenting on the article in the current National Geographic about the Ukraine which shows a photo of a peninsula there with mansions on it. Our Missions friend told me this is the fruit of graft, corruption, and the Russian Mafia which have risen to the top of the heap rather quickly. Our island born SIL can tell you the same about his homeland. Whoever rises to the top in Government treats the treasury like their own checkbook and their children are the ones who go overseas to attend the best schools. Of course there is a lot of it in the countries named above also, we observe Congress giving themselves raises all the time and a Congressman who just spent 20yrs in prison will still get his pension whereas a serviceman would have to forfeit his... so although imperfect - with checks and balances in place our system still beats any in the third world until the Lord returns to straighten it all out for us. Maranatha!! On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:47:36 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The United States of America is not a Democracy Lance; it is a Democratic Republic - which is good training because God's Kingdom is not a "Democracy" either. You should be relieved that the will of fallen humanity is not on the throne. On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:28:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: How could one ask for more than to be present on a 'chat room' where ppl illustrate the absence of a democratic frame of mind? From: Judy Taylor Badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance. Our youngest girl's flatmate was a missionary to the Ukraine for 5yrs and has just gotten back from a trip to Germany by way of the Ukraine to visit her friends there. She speaks Russian and when the plane couldn't land because of fog was able to translate for the Ukrainians on board who had to return to Budapest and spend the night. She tells me that men come from all over to look for a wife in the Ukraine and there were two of them from the US on her flight one of whom must have been a disciple of whoever Lance is listening to because he badmouthed GWB the entire time in a loud voice. From: Kevin Deegan SP's are really Secret Agents for GWB! LOL Are you a conspiracy theorist?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
What is your comment supposed to mean
Lance?
What does GWB have to do with what I have been
discussing?
As I have noted before - you are forever locked into
the personal
On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:11:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
I believe GWB to be sincere also.
From: Judy Taylor
The lines may be blurred in countries like the US,
Canada, Australia, and the UK (to all but the SP's :)
However, they are quite apparent to anyone who has
lived in a third world country recently. I was commenting
on the article in the current National Geographic
about the Ukraine which shows a photo of a peninsula there
with mansions on it. Our Missions friend told
me this is the fruit of graft, corruption, and the Russian Mafia
which have risen to the
top of the heap rather quickly. Our island born SIL can tell you the
same about his
homeland. Whoever rises
to the top in Government treats the treasury like their own checkbook and
their
children are the ones who go overseas to attend the best schools.
Of course there is a lot of it in the countries
named above also, we observe Congress giving
themselves
raises all the time and a Congressman who just
spent 20yrs in prison will still get his pension
whereas a
serviceman would have to forfeit his... so although
imperfect - with checks and balances in
place our system
still beats any in the third world until the Lord
returns to straighten it all out for us.
Maranatha!!
On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:47:36 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
The United States of America is not a Democracy
Lance; it is a Democratic Republic - which is good
training because God's Kingdom is not a
"Democracy" either. You should be relieved that the will of
fallen humanity is not on the
throne.
On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:28:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
How could one ask for more than to be
present on a 'chat room' where ppl illustrate the absence of a
democratic frame of mind?
From: Judy
Taylor
Badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance. Our
youngest girl's flatmate was a missionary to the Ukraine
for 5yrs and has just gotten back from a
trip to Germany by way of the Ukraine to visit her friends there.
She speaks Russian and when the plane
couldn't land because of fog was able to translate for
the
Ukrainians on board who had to return to
Budapest and spend the night. She tells me that men
come
from all over to look for a wife in the
Ukraine and there were two of them from the US on her flight one
of whom must have
been a disciple of whoever Lance is listening to because he badmouthed
GWB
the entire time in a loud voice.
From: Kevin Deegan
SP's are really Secret Agents
for GWB! LOL
Are you a conspiracy theorist?Lance Muir
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're
just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP
types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their
doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end
justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not
of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the
same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound
for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the
same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over
the Middle East.
- Original Message -
From:
Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006
02:03
Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
to clear the
confusion one should be able to prove their charge they
make against others.
DAVEH: That's what
I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
I believe GWB to be sincere also.
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006 09:07
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of
truthtalk?
The lines may be blurred in countries like the US,
Canada, Australia, and the UK (to all but the SP's :)
However, they are quite apparent to anyone who has
lived in a third world country recently. I was commenting
on the article in the current National Geographic
about the Ukraine which shows a photo of a peninsula there
with mansions on it. Our Missions friend told
me this is the fruit of graft, corruption, and the Russian Mafia
which have risen to the
top of the heap rather quickly. Our island born SIL can tell you the
same about his
homeland. Whoever rises to
the top in Government treats the treasury like their own checkbook and their
children are the ones who
go overseas to attend the best schools.
Of course there is a lot of it in the countries named
above also, we observe Congress giving themselves
raises all the time and a Congressman who just spent
20yrs in prison will still get his pension whereas
a
serviceman would have to forfeit his... so although
imperfect - with checks and balances in place
our system
still beats any in the third world until the Lord
returns to straighten it all out for us. Maranatha!!
On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:47:36 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
The United States of America is not a Democracy
Lance; it is a Democratic Republic - which is good
training because God's Kingdom is not a "Democracy"
either. You should be relieved that the will of
fallen humanity is not on the throne.
On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:28:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
How could one ask for more than to be present
on a 'chat room' where ppl illustrate the absence of a democratic frame of
mind?
From: Judy
Taylor
Badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance. Our
youngest girl's flatmate was a missionary to the Ukraine
for 5yrs and has just gotten back from a
trip to Germany by way of the Ukraine to visit her friends there.
She speaks Russian and when the plane
couldn't land because of fog was able to translate for the
Ukrainians on board who had to return to
Budapest and spend the night. She tells me that men
come
from all over to look for a wife in the
Ukraine and there were two of them from the US on her flight one
of whom must have
been a disciple of whoever Lance is listening to because he badmouthed
GWB
the entire time in a loud voice.
From: Kevin Deegan
SP's are really Secret Agents for
GWB! LOL
Are you a conspiracy theorist?Lance Muir
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just
going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types
ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by
any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the
means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as
to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That
camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see
why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic
employed by their commander in chief over the Middle
East.
- Original Message -
From:
Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006
02:03
Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
to clear the
confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make
against others.
DAVEH: That's what I
asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me
(condoning violence) a few months back. Your response
was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that
is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say
something that I didn't say. Which is logically
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Explain the point to me then Lance
How can one's mind be renewed in God's Word and
continue to have a "democratic frame"
to it when Jesus never had a "democratic" bone in his
body?
On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:53:03 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Mayhap thou misseth the point, Judy?
From: Judy Taylor
The United States of America is not a Democracy
Lance; it is a Democratic Republic - which is good
training because God's Kingdom is not a "Democracy"
either. You should be relieved that the will of
fallen humanity is not on the throne.
On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:28:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
How could one ask for more than to be present
on a 'chat room' where ppl illustrate the absence of a democratic frame of
mind?
From: Judy
Taylor
Badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance. Our
youngest girl's flatmate was a missionary to the Ukraine
for 5yrs and has just gotten back from a
trip to Germany by way of the Ukraine to visit her friends there.
She speaks Russian and when the plane
couldn't land because of fog was able to translate for the
Ukrainians on board who had to return to
Budapest and spend the night. She tells me that men
come
from all over to look for a wife in the
Ukraine and there were two of them from the US on her flight one
of whom must have
been a disciple of whoever Lance is listening to because he badmouthed
GWB
the entire time in a loud voice.
From: Kevin Deegan
SP's are really Secret Agents for
GWB! LOL
Are you a conspiracy theorist?Lance Muir
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just
going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types
ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by
any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the
means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as
to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That
camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see
why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic
employed by their commander in chief over the Middle
East.
- Original Message -
From:
Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006
02:03
Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
to clear the
confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make
against others.
DAVEH: That's what I
asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me
(condoning violence) a few months back. Your response
was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that
is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say
something that I didn't say. Which is logically
illogical.So what is you
better idea?DAVEH:
Practice what you preach.By
the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do
so-but you cannot.DAVEH:
Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of
fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT,
it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in
TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy
to rest.you show no
hesitation provoking me-Why is
that?DAVEH: I'm not sure,
Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of
cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different
world, where they are in constant battle with everybody,
including some that at first appear to be on their side of
the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT,
I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how
t
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
The lines may be blurred in countries like the US,
Canada, Australia, and the UK (to all but the SP's :)
However, they are quite apparent to anyone who has
lived in a third world country recently. I was commenting
on the article in the current National Geographic about
the Ukraine which shows a photo of a peninsula there
with mansions on it. Our Missions friend told me
this is the fruit of graft, corruption, and the Russian Mafia
which have risen to the top
of the heap rather quickly. Our island born SIL can tell you the same
about his
homeland. Whoever rises to
the top in Government treats the treasury like their own checkbook and their
children are the ones who go
overseas to attend the best schools.
Of course there is a lot of it in the countries named
above also, we observe Congress giving themselves
raises all the time and a Congressman who just spent
20yrs in prison will still get his pension whereas
a
serviceman would have to forfeit his... so although
imperfect - with checks and balances in place
our system
still beats any in the third world until the Lord
returns to straighten it all out for us. Maranatha!!
On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:47:36 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
The United States of America is not a Democracy
Lance; it is a Democratic Republic - which is good
training because God's Kingdom is not a "Democracy"
either. You should be relieved that the will of
fallen humanity is not on the throne.
On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:28:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
How could one ask for more than to be present
on a 'chat room' where ppl illustrate the absence of a democratic frame of
mind?
From: Judy Taylor
Badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance. Our
youngest girl's flatmate was a missionary to the Ukraine
for 5yrs and has just gotten back from a
trip to Germany by way of the Ukraine to visit her friends there.
She speaks Russian and when the plane
couldn't land because of fog was able to translate for the
Ukrainians on board who had to return to Budapest
and spend the night. She tells me that men come
from all over to look for a wife in the
Ukraine and there were two of them from the US on her flight one
of whom must have been
a disciple of whoever Lance is listening to because he badmouthed GWB
the entire time in a loud voice.
From: Kevin Deegan
SP's are really Secret Agents for
GWB! LOL
Are you a conspiracy theorist?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just
going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types
ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by
any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the
means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to
Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is
the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do
what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their
commander in chief over the Middle East.
- Original Message -
From:
Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006
02:03
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
to clear the confusion
one should be able to prove their charge they make against
others. DAVEH: That's
what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about
me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response
was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is
was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something
that I didn't say. Which is logically
illogical.So what is you
better idea?DAVEH: Practice
what you preach.By the way I
can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you
cannot.DAVEH:
Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of
fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it
was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It
seems several moderators have put that fallacy to
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Mayhap thou misseth the point, Judy?
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006 08:47
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of
truthtalk?
The United States of America is not a Democracy
Lance; it is a Democratic Republic - which is good
training because God's Kingdom is not a "Democracy"
either. You should be relieved that the will of
fallen humanity is not on the throne.
On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:28:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
How could one ask for more than to be present
on a 'chat room' where ppl illustrate the absence of a democratic frame of
mind?
From: Judy Taylor
Badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance. Our
youngest girl's flatmate was a missionary to the Ukraine
for 5yrs and has just gotten back from a
trip to Germany by way of the Ukraine to visit her friends there.
She speaks Russian and when the plane
couldn't land because of fog was able to translate for the
Ukrainians on board who had to return to Budapest
and spend the night. She tells me that men come
from all over to look for a wife in the
Ukraine and there were two of them from the US on her flight one
of whom must have been
a disciple of whoever Lance is listening to because he badmouthed GWB
the entire time in a loud voice.
From: Kevin Deegan
SP's are really Secret Agents for
GWB! LOL
Are you a conspiracy theorist?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just
going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types
ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by
any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the
means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to
Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is
the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do
what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their
commander in chief over the Middle East.
- Original Message -
From:
Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006
02:03
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
to clear the confusion
one should be able to prove their charge they make against
others. DAVEH: That's
what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about
me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response
was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is
was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something
that I didn't say. Which is logically
illogical.So what is you
better idea?DAVEH: Practice
what you preach.By the way I
can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you
cannot.DAVEH:
Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of
fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it
was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It
seems several moderators have put that fallacy to
rest.you show no hesitation
provoking me-Why is
that?DAVEH: I'm not sure,
Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of
cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different
world, where they are in constant battle with everybody,
including some that at first appear to be on their side of the
fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I
really don't have much experience with them, so I find how
they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g.,
Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to
convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a
product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my
perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
The United States of America is not a Democracy Lance;
it is a Democratic Republic - which is good
training because God's Kingdom is not a "Democracy"
either. You should be relieved that the will of
fallen humanity is not on the throne.
On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:28:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
How could one ask for more than to be present on
a 'chat room' where ppl illustrate the absence of a democratic frame of
mind?
From: Judy Taylor
Badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance. Our youngest
girl's flatmate was a missionary to the Ukraine
for 5yrs and has just gotten back from a trip
to Germany by way of the Ukraine to visit her friends there.
She speaks Russian and when the plane couldn't
land because of fog was able to translate for the
Ukrainians on board who had to return to Budapest
and spend the night. She tells me that men come
from all over to look for a wife in the
Ukraine and there were two of them from the US on her flight one
of whom must have been a
disciple of whoever Lance is listening to because he badmouthed GWB
the entire time in a loud voice.
From: Kevin Deegan
SP's are really Secret Agents for GWB!
LOL
Are you a conspiracy theorist?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just
going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't
a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means
whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you
and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are
seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the
lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do.
This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in
chief over the Middle East.
- Original Message -
From:
Dave
Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006
02:03
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
to clear the confusion
one should be able to prove their charge they make against
others. DAVEH: That's
what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me
(condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was
that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my
responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I
didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better
idea?DAVEH: Practice what you
preach.By the way I can change
the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you
cannot.DAVEH:
Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of
fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it
was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It
seems several moderators have put that fallacy to
rest.you show no hesitation
provoking me-Why is
that?DAVEH: I'm not sure,
Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of
cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world,
where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some
that at first appear to be on their side of the fence.
Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have
much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate
to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the
faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such
a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some
SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of
___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which
to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've
got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes
SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much
sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling
onwith the way things are
going He should be able to read it here in a short amount
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
How could one ask for more than to be present on a
'chat room' where ppl illustrate the absence of a democratic frame of
mind?
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006 08:10
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of
truthtalk?
Badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance. Our youngest
girl's flatmate was a missionary to the Ukraine
for 5yrs and has just gotten back from a trip to
Germany by way of the Ukraine to visit her friends there.
She speaks Russian and when the plane couldn't
land because of fog was able to translate for the
Ukrainians on board who had to return to Budapest and
spend the night. She tells me that men come
from all over to look for a wife in the Ukraine
and there were two of them from the US on her flight one
of whom must have been a
disciple of whoever Lance is listening to because he badmouthed GWB
the entire time in a loud voice.
From: Kevin Deegan
SP's are really Secret Agents for GWB!
LOL
Are you a conspiracy theorist?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going
to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a
mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means
whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you
and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are
seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the
lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This
is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over
the Middle East.
- Original Message -
From:
Dave
Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006
02:03
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
to clear the confusion one
should be able to prove their charge they make against others.
DAVEH: That's what I asked
you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning
violence) a few months back. Your response was that you
didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my
responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't
say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better
idea?DAVEH: Practice what you
preach.By the way I can change the
rules if there is good reason to do so-but you
cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May
I assume this is your perception of
fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was
proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems
several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is
that?DAVEH: I'm not sure,
Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of
cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world,
where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some
that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other
than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much
experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be
rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of
those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange
way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem
(from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it
for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds
with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what
makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they
are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's
late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able
to read it here in a short amount of
time.DAVEH:
??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to
invite the Bishop of TT to return?
The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks
if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose
conclusion? Why mine decision of
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
It is not necessary, Judy. DM, BT, JS, Caroline,
Debbie & Slade have all attempted to do so, unsuccessfully. I perceive each
to be superior to me so..
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006 08:13
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of
truthtalk?
Can you describe what you call "being teachable" looks like for us
Lance?
On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 06:33:12 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
There is a rather large distinction between
agreeing with you Kevin, and being teachable.
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006 06:17
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit'
of truthtalk?
Your not teachableLance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Did you send your kids to SS? Do you have
no evangelistic mtgs where you are? Do some in attendance at either ever
get converted? Do you have other names you prefer over 'conversion',
Kevin.
That you Kevin, believe yourself 'fully
known (Paul's) doctrine' I've no doubt. I'd recommend to the moderator
that we all take a hiatus from writing and, just let you teach
us.
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006 06:07
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
Paul said:
But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose,
faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
Now to him that is of power to
stablish you according to my
gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the
revelation of the mystery
BTW what is wrong with preaching Jesus
Christ?
or should we preach SS &
Conversion at our evangelistic meetings?
Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going
to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a
mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means
whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you
and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are
seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the
lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This
is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over
the Middle East.
- Original Message -
From:
Dave
Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006
02:03
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
to clear the confusion one
should be able to prove their charge they make against others.
DAVEH: That's what I asked
you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning
violence) a few months back. Your response was that you
didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my
responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't
say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better
idea?DAVEH: Practice what you
preach.By the way I can change the
rules if there is good reason to do so-but you
cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May
I assume this is your perception of
fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was
proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems
several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is
that?DAVEH: I'm not sure,
Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of
cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world,
where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some
that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other
than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much
experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be
rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Can you describe what you call "being teachable" looks like for us
Lance?
On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 06:33:12 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
There is a rather large distinction between
agreeing with you Kevin, and being teachable.
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006 06:17
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit'
of truthtalk?
Your not teachableLance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Did you send your kids to SS? Do you have no
evangelistic mtgs where you are? Do some in attendance at either ever get
converted? Do you have other names you prefer over 'conversion', Kevin.
That you Kevin, believe yourself 'fully known
(Paul's) doctrine' I've no doubt. I'd recommend to the moderator that we
all take a hiatus from writing and, just let you teach
us.
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006 06:07
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
Paul said:
But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose,
faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
Now to him that is of power to stablish
you according to my gospel, and
the preaching of Jesus
Christ, according to the revelation of the
mystery
BTW what is wrong with preaching Jesus
Christ?
or should we preach SS & Conversion
at our evangelistic meetings?
Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going
to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery.
Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As
they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most
assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying
the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for
hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of
logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle
East.
- Original Message -
From:
Dave
Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006
02:03
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
to clear the confusion one
should be able to prove their charge they make against others.
DAVEH: That's what I asked
you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning
violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't
know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to
prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is
logically illogical.So what is you
better idea?DAVEH: Practice what
you preach.By the way I can change
the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you
cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I
assume this is your perception of
fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was
proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems
several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is
that?DAVEH: I'm not sure,
Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of
cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world,
where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some
that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other
than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much
experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be
rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of
those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way
to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my
perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the
reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their
mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them
tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I
don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I
suppose I'm just rambling onwith
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Badmouthing GWB is at best ignorance. Our youngest
girl's flatmate was a missionary to the Ukraine
for 5yrs and has just gotten back from a trip to
Germany by way of the Ukraine to visit her friends there.
She speaks Russian and when the plane couldn't
land because of fog was able to translate for the
Ukrainians on board who had to return to Budapest and
spend the night. She tells me that men come
from all over to look for a wife in the Ukraine
and there were two of them from the US on her flight one
of whom must have been a
disciple of whoever Lance is listening to because he badmouthed GWB
the entire time in a loud voice.
From: Kevin Deegan
SP's are really Secret Agents for GWB!
LOL
Are you a conspiracy theorist?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going
to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery.
Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As
they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most
assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying
the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for
hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of
logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle
East.
- Original Message -
From:
Dave
Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006
02:03
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
to clear the confusion one
should be able to prove their charge they make against others.
DAVEH: That's what I asked
you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning
violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't
know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to
prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is
logically illogical.So what is you
better idea?DAVEH: Practice what
you preach.By the way I can change
the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you
cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I
assume this is your perception of
fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was
proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems
several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is
that?DAVEH: I'm not sure,
Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of
cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world,
where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some
that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other
than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much
experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be
rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of
those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way
to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my
perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the
reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their
mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them
tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I
don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I
suppose I'm just rambling onwith
the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a
short amount of time.DAVEH:
??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to
invite the Bishop of TT to return?
The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if
one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose
conclusion? Why mine decision of
course)DAVEH: Did the rules
change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to
suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator,
is that what you consider to be fair?
Moderator: No, DaveH but there
are many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to
clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge
they make against others. One should not knock an idea
unless one can offe
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Some of that which you said sounds OK, Judy. Look,
if they want to present themselves as 'sandwich board ppl' ssup to them. Some
SEE THEMSELVES as 'fools for Christ' while some are seen as just...well you
know..
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006 08:01
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of
truthtalk?
Lance you talk like they are holding a "doctrinal
seminar" out there. Their message is "Repent or Perish"
which
are the only options in my Bible. What do you
think they should be saying "God has a wonderful plan for your life ..
his
son was incarnated into the womb of his mother so
that you can come to the mother church and everyone can just
go
go on to glory together because he loves you so much that your old stinkin flesh won't
matter one bit because it has
been subsumed?" (or whatever the word is that
you and Bill use)
On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 05:22:36 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have
to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the
(their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the
end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind
as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the
camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do.
This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the
Middle East.
- Original Message -
From:
Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit'
of truthtalk?
to clear the confusion one should
be able to prove their charge they make against others.
DAVEH: That's what I asked you to
do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few
months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the
archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say
something that I didn't say. Which is logically
illogical.So what is you better
idea?DAVEH: Practice what you
preach.By the way I can change the rules
if there is good reason to do so-but you
cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume
this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I
joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT.
It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is
that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I
find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like
some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle
with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of
the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't
have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be
rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those
they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a
product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to
lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the
word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So
I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes
SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense,
Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read
it here in a short amount of
time.DAVEH: ??? What's
that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to
return?
The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one
can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose
conclusion? Why mine decision of
course)DAVEH: Did the rules change,
Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs
of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you
consider to be fair?
Moderator: No, DaveH but there are
many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the
confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against
others. One should not knock an idea unless one can offer a better
one or lose credibility-So what is you better idea?I am all
ears. By the way I can change the rules if there is goo
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Lance you talk like they are holding a "doctrinal
seminar" out there. Their message is "Repent or Perish" which
are the only options in my Bible. What do you
think they should be saying "God has a wonderful plan for your life ..
his
son was incarnated into the womb of his mother so that
you can come to the mother church and everyone can just go
go on to glory together because he loves you so much that your old stinkin flesh won't
matter one bit because it has
been subsumed?" (or whatever the word is that you
and Bill use)
On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 05:22:36 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have
to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the
(their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the
end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind
as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp
of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is
the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle
East.
- Original Message -
From:
Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit'
of truthtalk?
to clear the confusion one should be
able to prove their charge they make against others.
DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do
when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months
back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives,
and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that
I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better
idea?DAVEH: Practice what you
preach.By the way I can change the rules if
there is good reason to do so-but you
cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume
this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I
joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It
seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is
that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I
find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like
some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with
everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the
fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have
much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather
interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want
to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so
to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure
of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me
seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what
makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are.
I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose
I'm just rambling onwith the way things
are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of
time.DAVEH: ??? What's
that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to
return?
The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can
prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose
conclusion? Why mine decision of
course)DAVEH: Did the rules change,
Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of
the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider
to be fair?
Moderator: No, DaveH but there are many
levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the confusion
one should be able to prove their charge they make against others.
One should not knock an idea unless one can offer a better one or
lose credibility-So what is you better idea?I am all ears. By
the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you
cannot.(maybe he found love for me after
all.)DAVEH: We all love you,
Dean. I'm just not sure we all can tolerate, let alone survive,
you!
Moderator: For someone who expresses concerns
about surviving me-you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is
that? Also love a little harder as it isn't quite coming
through my computer Dave.
(I'll copy this to John, as he may
appreciate the irony in it.)
Moderator : Just save it-with the way
things are going He should be abl
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
I'm not certain that I know all of the words. Let
me see O Canada...nope..that's as far as I can go.
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006 06:49
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of
truthtalk?
I bet if I was a Canadian SP you would sing " Canada"
http://www.ariseandwalk.com/news.php?id=39Lance
Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
A hearty Amen to the statement and, the
originator of it (Oswald Chambers).
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006 06:30
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit'
of truthtalk?
"Have you received a ministry from
the Lord? If so, you must be faithful to it - to consider your life
valuable only for the purpose of fulfilling that ministry.
...To do this we must have close fellowship with Jesus and must know
Him as more than our personal Savior. And we must be willing to
experience the full impact of, - 'I will show him how many things he
must suffer for My name's sake.' ...He is not offering us a
choice of how we can serve Him; He is asking for absolute
loyalty to His commission"
Oswald Chambers 'My
Utmost For His Highest'
Kevin
Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Paul said:
But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose,
faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
Now to him that is of power to stablish
you according to my gospel, and
the preaching of Jesus
Christ, according to the revelation of the
mystery
BTW what is wrong with preaching Jesus
Christ?
or should we preach SS & Conversion
at our evangelistic meetings?
Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going
to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery.
Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As
they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most
assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying
the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for
hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of
logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle
East.
- Original Message -
From:
Dave
Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006
02:03
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
to clear the confusion one
should be able to prove their charge they make against others.
DAVEH: That's what I asked
you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning
violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't
know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to
prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is
logically illogical.So what is you
better idea?DAVEH: Practice what
you preach.By the way I can change
the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you
cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I
assume this is your perception of
fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was
proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems
several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is
that?DAVEH: I'm not sure,
Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of
cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world,
where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some
that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other
than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much
experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be
rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of
those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way
to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my
perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the
reader to fill i
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
I bet if I was a Canadian SP you would sing " Canada" http://www.ariseandwalk.com/news.php?id=39Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A hearty Amen to the statement and, the originator of it (Oswald Chambers).- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:30 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?"Have you received a ministry from the Lord? If so, you must be faithful to it - to consider your life valuable only for the purpose of fulfilling that ministry. ...To do this we must have close fellowship with Jesus and must know Him as more than our personal Savior. And we must be willing to experience the full impact of, - 'I will show him how many things he must suffer for My name's sake.' ...He is not offering us a choice of how we can serve Him; He is asking for absolute loyalty to His commission" Oswald Chambers 'My Utmost For His Highest' Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Paul said: But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery BTW what is wrong with preaching Jesus Christ? or should we preach SS & Conversion at our evangelistic meetings? Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East.- Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return?The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? Moderator: No, DaveH but there are many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. One should not knock an idea unless one can offer a better one or lose credibility-So what is you better idea?I am all ears. By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.(maybe he found love for me after all.)DAVEH: We all love you, Dean. I'm just not sure we all can tolerate, let alone
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
For someone who is so concerned with such you are very set in your doctrineLance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There is a rather large distinction between agreeing with you Kevin, and being teachable.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:17 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Your not teachableLance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Did you send your kids to SS? Do you have no evangelistic mtgs where you are? Do some in attendance at either ever get converted? Do you have other names you prefer over 'conversion', Kevin. That you Kevin, believe yourself 'fully known (Paul's) doctrine' I've no doubt. I'd recommend to the moderator that we all take a hiatus from writing and, just let you teach us. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:07 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Paul said: But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery BTW what is wrong with preaching Jesus Christ? or should we preach SS & Conversion at our evangelistic meetings? Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East.- Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return?The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? Moderator: No, DaveH but there are many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. One should not knock an idea unless one can offer a better one or lose credibility-So what is you better idea?I am all ears. By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.(maybe he found love for me after all.)DAVEH: We all love you, Dean. I'm just not sure we all can tolerate, let alone surviv
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
John is a CT 'big time' at least with respect to
the Kennedy assassination. I don't know about other CTS.
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006 06:16
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of
truthtalk?
John is a SA for GW?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
I'm not. John is.
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006 06:02
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit'
of truthtalk?
SP's are really Secret Agents for GWB! LOL
Are you a conspiracy theorist?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to
have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery.
Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As
they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most
assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the
same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do
see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by
their commander in chief over the Middle East.
- Original Message -
From:
Dave
Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
to clear the confusion one
should be able to prove their charge they make against others.
DAVEH: That's what I asked you
to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a
few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to
use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I
didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically
illogical.So what is you better
idea?DAVEH: Practice what you
preach.By the way I can change the
rules if there is good reason to do so-but you
cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I
assume this is your perception of
fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was
proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems
several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is
that?DAVEH: I'm not sure,
Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of
cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where
they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at
first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the
few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with
them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather
interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they
want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a
product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective)
to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in
the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission
statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust
what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if
that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just
rambling onwith the way things are
going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of
time.DAVEH: ???
What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT
to return?
The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if
one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose
conclusion? Why mine decision of
course)DAVEH: Did the rules
change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to
suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is
that what you consider to be fair?
Moderator: No, DaveH but there are
many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the
confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make
against others. One should not knock an idea unless one can
offer a better one or lose credibility-So what is you better
idea?I am all ears. By the way I can change the rules if
there is good reason to do so-but you
cann
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
A hearty Amen to the statement and, the originator
of it (Oswald Chambers).
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006 06:30
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of
truthtalk?
"Have you received a ministry from the
Lord? If so, you must be faithful to it - to consider your life valuable
only for the purpose of fulfilling that ministry. ...To do this
we must have close fellowship with Jesus and must know Him as more than
our personal Savior. And we must be willing to experience the full
impact of, - 'I will show him how many things he must suffer for My
name's sake.' ...He is not offering us a choice of how we can
serve Him; He is asking for absolute loyalty to His
commission"
Oswald Chambers 'My Utmost
For His Highest'
Kevin
Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Paul said:
But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose,
faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
Now to him that is of power to stablish you
according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according
to the revelation of the mystery
BTW what is wrong with preaching Jesus
Christ?
or should we preach SS & Conversion at
our evangelistic meetings?
Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to
have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach
the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see
it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of
one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That
camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do
what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander
in chief over the Middle East.
- Original Message -
From:
Dave
Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
to clear the confusion one should
be able to prove their charge they make against others.
DAVEH: That's what I asked you
to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a
few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use
the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't
say something that I didn't say. Which is logically
illogical.So what is you better
idea?DAVEH: Practice what you
preach.By the way I can change the rules
if there is good reason to do so-but you
cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I
assume this is your perception of
fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was
proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several
moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is
that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean.
I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems
like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant
battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on
their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on
TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they
think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving
underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it
seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some
SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave
it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with
their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them
tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't
know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm
just rambling onwith the way things
are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of
time.DAVEH: ???
What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT
to return?
The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one
can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose
conclusion? Why mine decision of
course)DAVEH: Did the rules change,
Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the
needs of the m
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
There is a rather large distinction between
agreeing with you Kevin, and being teachable.
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006 06:17
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of
truthtalk?
Your not teachableLance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Did you send your kids to SS? Do you have no
evangelistic mtgs where you are? Do some in attendance at either ever get
converted? Do you have other names you prefer over 'conversion', Kevin.
That you Kevin, believe yourself 'fully known
(Paul's) doctrine' I've no doubt. I'd recommend to the moderator that we all
take a hiatus from writing and, just let you teach
us.
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006 06:07
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit'
of truthtalk?
Paul said:
But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose,
faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
Now to him that is of power to stablish
you according to my gospel, and the
preaching of Jesus Christ,
according to the revelation of the mystery
BTW what is wrong with preaching Jesus
Christ?
or should we preach SS & Conversion at
our evangelistic meetings?
Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to
have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery.
Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As
they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most
assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the
same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do
see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by
their commander in chief over the Middle East.
- Original Message -
From:
Dave
Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
to clear the confusion one
should be able to prove their charge they make against others.
DAVEH: That's what I asked you
to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a
few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to
use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I
didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically
illogical.So what is you better
idea?DAVEH: Practice what you
preach.By the way I can change the
rules if there is good reason to do so-but you
cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I
assume this is your perception of
fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was
proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems
several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is
that?DAVEH: I'm not sure,
Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of
cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where
they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at
first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the
few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with
them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather
interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they
want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a
product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective)
to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in
the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission
statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust
what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if
that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just
rambling onwith the way things are
going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of
time.DAVEH: ???
What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT
to return?
The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if
one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
"Have you received a ministry from the Lord? If so, you must be faithful to it - to consider your life valuable only for the purpose of fulfilling that ministry. ...To do this we must have close fellowship with Jesus and must know Him as more than our personal Savior. And we must be willing to experience the full impact of, - 'I will show him how many things he must suffer for My name's sake.' ...He is not offering us a choice of how we can serve Him; He is asking for absolute loyalty to His commission" Oswald Chambers 'My Utmost For His Highest' Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Paul said: But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery BTW what is wrong with preaching Jesus Christ? or should we preach SS & Conversion at our evangelistic meetings? Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East.- Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return? The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? Moderator: No, DaveH but there are many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. One should not knock an idea unless one can offer a better one or lose credibility-So what is you better idea?I am all ears. By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.(maybe he found love for me after all.)DAVEH: We all love you, Dean. I'm just not sure we all can tolerate, let alone survive, you! Moderator: For someone who expresses concerns about surviving me-you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that? Also love a little harder as it isn't quite coming through my computer Dave. (I'll copy this to John, as he may appreciate the irony in it.) Moderator : Just save it-with the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.De
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Your not teachableLance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Did you send your kids to SS? Do you have no evangelistic mtgs where you are? Do some in attendance at either ever get converted? Do you have other names you prefer over 'conversion', Kevin. That you Kevin, believe yourself 'fully known (Paul's) doctrine' I've no doubt. I'd recommend to the moderator that we all take a hiatus from writing and, just let you teach us. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:07 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Paul said: But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery BTW what is wrong with preaching Jesus Christ? or should we preach SS & Conversion at our evangelistic meetings? Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East.- Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return?The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? Moderator: No, DaveH but there are many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. One should not knock an idea unless one can offer a better one or lose credibility-So what is you better idea?I am all ears. By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.(maybe he found love for me after all.)DAVEH: We all love you, Dean. I'm just not sure we all can tolerate, let alone survive, you! Moderator: For someone who expresses concerns about surviving me-you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that? Also love a little harder as it isn't quite coming through my computer Dave. (I'll copy this to John, as he may appreciate the irony in it.) Moderator : Just save it-with the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
John is a SA for GW?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm not. John is. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?SP's are really Secret Agents for GWB! LOL Are you a conspiracy theorist?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return?The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? Moderator: No, DaveH but there are many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. One should not knock an idea unless one can offer a better one or lose credibility-So what is you better idea?I am all ears. By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.(maybe he found love for me after all.)DAVEH: We all love you, Dean. I'm just not sure we all can tolerate, let alone survive, you! Moderator: For someone who expresses concerns about surviving me-you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that? Also love a little harder as it isn't quite coming through my computer Dave. (I'll copy this to John, as he may appreciate the irony in it.) Moderator : Just save it-with the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.Dean Moore wrote: Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)-Please explanation after my coming chastisement from David.But don't jump the gun and attack me as he seems to be hesitating(maybe he found love for me after all.)-and if wrong you will still be dealing with a moderator-that will not take any crap:-) Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: Dean, does this not qualify as an ad-hom?Dean Moore wrote: cd: or lose all creditability as Lance had done in my opinion of this matter. -- ~~
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Don't I though?
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006 06:09
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of
truthtalk?
Boy you ask a lot for one who is the master of one word answers and Total
avoidance of some questions
Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
It'd appear that we do all speak English, Dean.
Now, as everyone else has taken, IMO a rather unconvincing, run at the fg,
may I ask YOU, Dean...Rather than proof-texting (the exceptions having been
Bill, David and John), are you able to open say the gospel of John or the
book of Ephesians and, thereafter explain it in it's entirety without
difficulty for either yourself or any believer? If yes then, please
demonstrate. If no then, qualify your statement (what you say) in line with
what you can actually do.
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 07, 2006 18:28
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit'
of truthtalk?
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/7/2006 5:54:36 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
THE truth to read MY truth or, truth as I
interpret it.
How I read the words that are
spoken-We all do speak English right?
- Original Message -
From:
Dean Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 06, 2006 18:13
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can
prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine
decision of course)-Please explanation after my coming chastisement
from David.But don't jump the gun and attack me as he seems to be
hesitating(maybe he found love for me after all.)-and if wrong you
will still be dealing with a moderator-that will not take any
crap:-)
- Original Message -
From:
Dave
Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 12:52:42 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
DAVEH: Dean, does this not
qualify as an ad-hom?Dean Moore wrote:
cd: or lose all
creditability as Lance had done in my opinion of this
matter.
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Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Did you send your kids to SS? Do you have no
evangelistic mtgs where you are? Do some in attendance at either ever get
converted? Do you have other names you prefer over 'conversion', Kevin.
That you Kevin, believe yourself 'fully known
(Paul's) doctrine' I've no doubt. I'd recommend to the moderator that we all
take a hiatus from writing and, just let you teach us.
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006 06:07
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of
truthtalk?
Paul said:
But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith,
longsuffering, charity, patience,
Now to him that is of power to stablish you
according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according
to the revelation of the mystery
BTW what is wrong with preaching Jesus
Christ?
or should we preach SS & Conversion at our
evangelistic meetings?
Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have
to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the
(their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the
end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind
as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the
camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do.
This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the
Middle East.
- Original Message -
From:
Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit'
of truthtalk?
to clear the confusion one should
be able to prove their charge they make against others.
DAVEH: That's what I asked you to
do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few
months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the
archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say
something that I didn't say. Which is logically
illogical.So what is you better
idea?DAVEH: Practice what you
preach.By the way I can change the rules
if there is good reason to do so-but you
cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume
this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I
joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT.
It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is
that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I
find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like
some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle
with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of
the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't
have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be
rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those
they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a
product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to
lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the
word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So
I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes
SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense,
Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read
it here in a short amount of
time.DAVEH: ??? What's
that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to
return?
The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one
can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose
conclusion? Why mine decision of
course)DAVEH: Did the rules change,
Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs
of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you
consider to be fair?
Moderator: No, DaveH but there are
many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the
confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against
others. One should not knock an idea unless one can offer a better
one or lose credibility-So what is you better idea?I am all
ears. By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to
do so-but you cannot.(maybe he found
love for me after all.)DAVEH: We
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Boy you ask a lot for one who is the master of one word answers and Total avoidance of some questions Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It'd appear that we do all speak English, Dean. Now, as everyone else has taken, IMO a rather unconvincing, run at the fg, may I ask YOU, Dean...Rather than proof-texting (the exceptions having been Bill, David and John), are you able to open say the gospel of John or the book of Ephesians and, thereafter explain it in it's entirety without difficulty for either yourself or any believer? If yes then, please demonstrate. If no then, qualify your statement (what you say) in line with what you can actually do. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 07, 2006 18:28 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/7/2006 5:54:36 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?THE truth to read MY truth or, truth as I interpret it. How I read the words that are spoken-We all do speak English right?- Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 06, 2006 18:13 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)-Please explanation after my coming chastisement from David.But don't jump the gun and attack me as he seems to be hesitating(maybe he found love for me after all.)-and if wrong you will still be dealing with a moderator-that will not take any crap:-) - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/5/2006 12:52:42 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: Dean, does this not qualify as an ad-hom?Dean Moore wrote: cd: or lose all creditability as Lance had done in my opinion of this matter. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
I'm not. John is. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 06:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? SP's are really Secret Agents for GWB! LOL Are you a conspiracy theorist?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return? The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? Moderator: No, DaveH but there are many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. One should not knock an idea unless one can offer a better one or lose credibility-So what is you better idea?I am all ears. By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.(maybe he found love for me after all.)DAVEH: We all love you, Dean. I'm just not sure we all can tolerate, let alone survive, you! Moderator: For someone who expresses concerns about surviving me-you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that? Also love a little harder as it isn't quite coming through my computer Dave. (I'll copy this to John, as he may appreciate the irony in it.) Moderator : Just save it-with the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.Dean Moore wrote: Moderator: No-The truth is
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Paul said: But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery BTW what is wrong with preaching Jesus Christ? or should we preach SS & Conversion at our evangelistic meetings? Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East.- Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return?The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? Moderator: No, DaveH but there are many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. One should not knock an idea unless one can offer a better one or lose credibility-So what is you better idea?I am all ears. By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.(maybe he found love for me after all.)DAVEH: We all love you, Dean. I'm just not sure we all can tolerate, let alone survive, you! Moderator: For someone who expresses concerns about surviving me-you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that? Also love a little harder as it isn't quite coming through my computer Dave. (I'll copy this to John, as he may appreciate the irony in it.) Moderator : Just save it-with the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.Dean Moore wrote: Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)-Please explanation after my coming chastisement from David.But don't jump the gun and attack me as he seems to be hesitating(maybe he found love for me after all.)-and if wrong you will still be dealing with a moderator-that will not take any crap:-) Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: Dean, does this not qualify as an ad-hom?Dean Moore wrote: cd: or lose all creditability as Lance had done in my opinion o
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
SP's are really Secret Agents for GWB! LOL Are you a conspiracy theorist?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East.- Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return?The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? Moderator: No, DaveH but there are many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. One should not knock an idea unless one can offer a better one or lose credibility-So what is you better idea?I am all ears. By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.(maybe he found love for me after all.)DAVEH: We all love you, Dean. I'm just not sure we all can tolerate, let alone survive, you! Moderator: For someone who expresses concerns about surviving me-you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that? Also love a little harder as it isn't quite coming through my computer Dave. (I'll copy this to John, as he may appreciate the irony in it.) Moderator : Just save it-with the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.Dean Moore wrote: Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)-Please explanation after my coming chastisement from David.But don't jump the gun and attack me as he seems to be hesitating(maybe he found love for me after all.)-and if wrong you will still be dealing with a moderator-that will not take any crap:-) Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: Dean, does this not qualify as an ad-hom?Dean Moore wrote: cd: or lose all creditability as Lance had done in my opinion of this matter. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.-- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://w
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
It'd appear that we do all speak English, Dean.
Now, as everyone else has taken, IMO a rather unconvincing, run at the fg, may I
ask YOU, Dean...Rather than proof-texting (the exceptions having been Bill,
David and John), are you able to open say the gospel of John or the book of
Ephesians and, thereafter explain it in it's entirety without difficulty for
either yourself or any believer? If yes then, please demonstrate. If no then,
qualify your statement (what you say) in line with what you can actually
do.
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 07, 2006 18:28
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of
truthtalk?
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/7/2006 5:54:36 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit'
of truthtalk?
THE truth to read MY truth or, truth as I
interpret it.
How I read the words that are spoken-We
all do speak English right?
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 06, 2006 18:13
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit'
of truthtalk?
Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can
prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine
decision of course)-Please explanation after my coming chastisement from
David.But don't jump the gun and attack me as he seems to be
hesitating(maybe he found love for me after all.)-and if wrong you will
still be dealing with a moderator-that will not take any
crap:-)
- Original Message -
From:
Dave
Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 12:52:42 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
DAVEH: Dean, does this not
qualify as an ad-hom?Dean Moore wrote:
cd: or lose all
creditability as Lance had done in my opinion of this
matter.
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Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
How can that (my interpretation implies Dean) be
wrong? Where does one go from here? Your honour, my client pleads
insanity.
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 07, 2006 18:36
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of
truthtalk?
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/7/2006 6:04:30 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit'
of truthtalk?
Follow your conscience, Dean. Sometimes your
conscience is directed by God but, sometimes
cd: I do not preach another conscience Lance-I
preach the written word of God -from the Bible itself-again words have
meaning and it is written in English .How can that be
wrong?
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 06, 2006 20:56
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit'
of truthtalk?
cd: Is speaking of the greatness if Christ "objective" to you
Lance? That is what I we do. Would you like to come and hear me speak-or
Kevin? He is Just across the falls and I will meet you there? We only
encourage others to come to Jesus-why are we wrong to do
so?
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/6/2006 12:23:25 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
Me too, Dave. When TRUELY OBJECTIONABLE
BEHAVIOUR is objected to (by 'acting out') these persons occasionally do
seem surprised.
- Original Message -
From:
Dave
Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 06, 2006 10:43
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
DAVEH: OK Dean, I understand your sensitivity to
such and will respond without using the words you find objectionable.
I would like to continue to discuss this, as I find it
interesting to see how SPers think. I am
curious as to why one would still show up on somebody's doorstep when
an objectionable topic is mentioned rather than discuss it with them
via the phone or email? What is to be accomplished by a personal
visit? Most folks would understand such a visit to be a physical
threat, even though it could be claimed that the offended has a
constitutional right to confront the
offender. The reason I ask this is because
it seems to me that many SPers seemed surprised that they are
physically attacked when confronting sinners on the streets. Yet
they feel compelled to stare the jaws of death (so to speak) in the
mouth. Is this a martyr complex of sorts? Does it give
SPers confidence if they are persecuted for the Lord's sake ? I
suppose an argument can be made that if one dies while in the service
of the Lord, it would be a feather in the cap of the persecuted while
at the same time driving the persecutor even deeper into hell.
To me that seems like rather odd logic, considering that the SPer (or
guy showing up on the doorstep) is somewhat a catalyst in this
scenario. IOWIs a SPer guilty of promoting a problem when he
uses his constitutionally guaranteed free speech to aggravate a
situation that can and will likely turn to
violence?Dean Moore wrote:
Moderator: Wouldn't have to show up in
Portland DaveH-all I would have to do is click a button and my
problem is solved and that is exactly what I going to do the next
time you use the words-** in the combination that
you used them below. Discussion over-warning given!
-
Original Message -
From:
Dave
Hansen
To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent:
3/5/2006 12:52:41 PM
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
DAVEH: Dean, from what
you said previously about the oneness of husband and wife, if I
were to ask you about ,, you would take that as
a personal attack on ** and would then presume it to be a
personal attack on you as well, and
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
DH:TT has a NEW POPE! You're just going to have to adjust. IMO your mystification re:SP types ain't a mystery. Preach the (their) gospel (their doctrine) by any means whatsoever. As they see it the end justifies the means. Though you and I are most assuredly not of one mind as to Jesus yet, we are seen as occupying the same camp. That camp is the camp of the lost/damned/bound for hell. I do see why they do what they do. This is the same sort of logic employed by their commander in chief over the Middle East. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 08, 2006 02:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return? The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? Moderator: No, DaveH but there are many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. One should not knock an idea unless one can offer a better one or lose credibility-So what is you better idea?I am all ears. By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.(maybe he found love for me after all.)DAVEH: We all love you, Dean. I'm just not sure we all can tolerate, let alone survive, you! Moderator: For someone who expresses concerns about surviving me-you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that? Also love a little harder as it isn't quite coming through my computer Dave. (I'll copy this to John, as he may appreciate the irony in it.) Moderator : Just save it-with the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.Dean Moore wrote: Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)-Please explanation after my coming chastisement from David.But don't jump the gun and attack me as he seems to be hesitating(maybe he found love for me after all.)-and if wrong you will still be dealing with a moderator-that will not take any crap:-) Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: Dean, does this not qualify as an ad-hom?Dean Moore wrote:
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
In order for you to really understand SP's you would have to God's call on your life. Not a few would wade into crowds of assembled thousands to stand alone & lift their voice like a trumpet. Like their Master and at His command. But of course this is another difference between the jesus of Mormonism and the Jesus of the Bible. JN 7 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. Is 58 Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins. And how could one have such a call except they are changed to the core by the power of God? It is not a natural ability but a supernatural one that is displayed in the face of sometimes angry crowds 2 Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. So you will be frustarted in any attempt to "understand"Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical.So what is you better idea?DAVEH: Practice what you preach.By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest.you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that?DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling onwith the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return?The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? Moderator: No, DaveH but there are many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. One should not knock an idea unless one can offer a better one or lose credibility-So what is you better idea?I am all ears. By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.(maybe he found love for me after all.)DAVEH: We all love you, Dean. I'm just not sure we all can tolerate, let alone survive, you! Moderator: For someone who expresses concerns about surviving me-you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that? Also love a little harder as it isn't quite coming through my computer Dave. (I'll copy this to John, as he may appreciate the irony in it.) Moderator : Just save it-with the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.Dean Moore wrote: Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)-Please explanation after my coming chastisement from David.But don't jump the gun and attack me as he seems to be hesitating(maybe he found love for me after all.)-and if wrong you will still be dealing with a moderator-that will not take any crap:-) Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: Dean, does this not qualify as an ad-hom?Dean Moore wrote: cd: or lose a
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
IFO thought quite the opposite. But then you know
me.
- Original Message -
From:
ShieldsFamily
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 07, 2006 20:06
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of
truthtalk?
DaveH, I cant help
but notice the change in you of late. It hasnt been good. Think
about it. iz
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave HansenSent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 9:02
AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of
truthtalk?
The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one
can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine
decision of course)DAVEH:
Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to
suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what
you consider to be fair?(maybe he found love for me after
all.)DAVEH: We all love you,
Dean. I'm just not sure we all can tolerate, let alone survive,
you! (I'll copy this to John, as he may appreciate the irony
in it.)Dean Moore wrote:
Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom
attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose
conclusion? Why mine decision of course)-Please explanation after my
coming chastisement from David.But don't jump the gun and attack me as he
seems to be hesitating(maybe he found love for me after all.)-and if
wrong you will still be dealing with a moderator-that will not take any
crap:-)
Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
DAVEH: Dean, does this not qualify as an
ad-hom?Dean Moore wrote:
cd: or lose all
creditability as Lance had done in my opinion of this
matter.
-- ~~~Dave Hansen[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.langlitz.com~~~If you wish to receivethings I find interesting,I maintain six email lists...JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS,STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. DAVEH: That's what I asked you to do when you made a false accusation about me (condoning violence) a few months back. Your response was that you didn't know how to use the archives, and that is was my responsibility to prove that I didn't say something that I didn't say. Which is logically illogical. So what is you better idea? DAVEH: Practice what you preach. By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot. DAVEH: Ahhh..May I assume this is your perception of fairness?!?!?! When I joined TT, it was proudly proclaimed there was only one rule in TT. It seems several moderators have put that fallacy to rest. you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that? DAVEH: I'm not sure, Dean. I find SPers to be cut from a different bolt of cloth. It seems like some SPers live in a different world, where they are in constant battle with everybody, including some that at first appear to be on their side of the fence. Other than the few Spers I've found on TT, I really don't have much experience with them, so I find how they think and operate to be rather interesting. (e.g., Waving underwear in the faces of those they want to convert.) To me it seems such a strange way to sell a product, so to speak. Yet some SPers seem (from my perspective) to lack a measure of ___(I'll leave it for the reader to fill in the word), which to me seems at odds with their mission statement. So I've got to wonder what makes them tickjust what is it that makes SPers the way they are. I don't know if that makes much sense, Dean. It's late and I suppose I'm just rambling on with the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time. DAVEH: ??? What's that mean, Dean? Are you going to invite the Bishop of TT to return? The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course) DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? Moderator: No, DaveH but there are many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. One should not knock an idea unless one can offer a better one or lose credibility-So what is you better idea?I am all ears. By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot. (maybe he found love for me after all.) DAVEH: We all love you, Dean. I'm just not sure we all can tolerate, let alone survive, you! Moderator: For someone who expresses concerns about surviving me-you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that? Also love a little harder as it isn't quite coming through my computer Dave. (I'll copy this to John, as he may appreciate the irony in it.) Moderator : Just save it-with the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time. Dean Moore wrote: Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)-Please explanation after my coming chastisement from David.But don't jump the gun and attack me as he seems to be hesitating(maybe he found love for me after all.)-and if wrong you will still be dealing with a moderator-that will not take any crap:-) Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: Dean, does this not qualify as an ad-hom? Dean Moore wrote: cd: or lose all creditability as Lance had done in my opinion of this matter. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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DAVEH: You've lost me on that, Izzy. Care to elaborate?
ShieldsFamily wrote:
DaveH, I
can’t help but notice the
change in you of late. It hasn’t been good. Think about
it. iz
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Dave Hansen
Sent: Tuesday, March
07, 2006 9:02
AM
To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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[TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
The
truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his
point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of
course)
DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being
modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a
moderator, is that what you consider to be fair?
(maybe he found love for
me after
all.)
DAVEH: We all love you, Dean. I'm just not sure we all can
tolerate, let alone survive, you! (I'll copy this to John, as
he may appreciate the irony in it.)
Dean Moore wrote:
Moderator:
No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if
one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion?
Why mine
decision of course)-Please explanation after my coming chastisement
from
David.But don't jump the gun and attack me as he seems to be hesitating(maybe
he found love for me after all.)-and if wrong you will still be
dealing
with a moderator-that will not take any crap:-)
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[TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
DAVEH: Dean, does this not
qualify as an
ad-hom?
Dean Moore wrote:
cd:
or lose all creditability as Lance had done in my opinion of this
matter.
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D & C 71 (vs 1) Your god says it is NECESSARY & EXPEDIENT that you should OPEN your MOUTH & proclaim. VS 7 Wherefore, confound your enemies; call upon them to meet you both in public and in private; and inasmuch as ye are faithful their shame shall be made manifest. The problem is not none are faithful, none are able as has been made fully manifest. This is a great sign that they are none of God's ministers, but like the other prophets of Baal could not call down anything from heaven! Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DH says The reason I ask this is because it seems to me that many SPers seemed surprised that they are physically attacked when confronting sinners on the streets. Yet they feel compelled to stare the jaws of death (so to speak) in the mouth. Is this a martyr complex of sorts? Does it give SPers confidence if they are persecuted for the Lord's sake? I suppose an argument can be made that if one dies while in the service of the Lord, it would be a feather in the cap of the persecuted while at the same time driving the persecutor even deeper into hell. To me that seems like rather odd logic, considering that the SPer (or guy showing up on the doorstep) is somewhat a catalyst in this scenario. IOWIs a SPer guilty of promoting a problem when he uses his constitutionally guaranteed free speech to aggravate a situation that can and will likely turn to violence?"And will turn to violence"Are you admitting then that LDS folks can not control there baser instincts?We should expect LDS to become violent? The whole situation shows that LDS have no spiritual power. There is not one "preacher" in the bunch.Even the D&C says that LDS are called by their god, to confound us publicly, but not a one can open their mouths.This is a great sign that they are none of God's ministers, but like the other prophets of Baal could not call down anything from heaven!Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DAVEH: OK Dean, I understand your sensitivity to such and will respond without using the words you find objectionable. I would like to continue to discuss this, as I find it interesting to see how SPers think. I am curious as to why one would still show up on somebody's doorstep when an objectionable topic is mentioned rather than discuss it with them via the phone or email? What is to be accomplished by a personal visit? Most folks would understand such a visit to be a physical threat, even though it could be claimed that the offended has a constitutional right to confront the offender. The reason I ask this is because it seems to me that many SPers seemed surprised that they are physically attacked when confronting sinners on the streets. Yet they feel compelled to stare the jaws of death (so to speak) in the mouth. Is this a martyr complex of sorts? Does it give SPers confidence if they are persecuted for the Lord's sake? I suppose an argument can be made that if one dies while in the service of the Lord, it would be a feather in the cap of the persecuted while at the same time driving the persecutor even deeper into hell. To me that seems like rather odd logic, considering that the SPer (or guy showing up on the doorstep) is somewhat a catalyst in this scenario. IOWIs a SPer guilty of promoting a problem when he uses his constitutionally guaranteed free speech to aggravate a situation that can and will likely turn to violence?Dean Moore wrote: Moderator: Wouldn't have to show up in Portland DaveH-all I would have to do is click a button and my problem is solved and that is exactly what I going to do the next time you use the words-** in the combination that you used them below. Discussion over-warning given! - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/5/2006 12:52:41 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: Dean, from what you said previously about the oneness of husband and wife, if I were to ask you about ,, you would take that as a personal attack on ** and would then presume it to be a personal attack on you as well, and then proceed to come to Portland and show up on my doorstep.is that correct? Wouldn't it be smarter just to say the same thing to me via email or a phone call, rather than show up on my doorstep? What would be accomplished by coming to Portland? If I were then to assume you are on my doorstep for a reason other than an amicable discussion, and felt my life was being threatened by your presence on my doorstep, I would probably not answer the door. Wouldn't that just frustrate your reason for going to all that effort, cost, time and travel in an effort to come to my doorstep? Would you proceed to pound on my doo r expecting me to open it? If I did not respond to your pounding, then what would you do? And if you co
RE: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
DaveH, I can’t help but notice the change in you of late. It hasn’t been good. Think about it. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Hansen Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 9:02 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course) DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? (maybe he found love for me after all.) DAVEH: We all love you, Dean. I'm just not sure we all can tolerate, let alone survive, you! (I'll copy this to John, as he may appreciate the irony in it.) Dean Moore wrote: Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)-Please explanation after my coming chastisement from David.But don't jump the gun and attack me as he seems to be hesitating(maybe he found love for me after all.)-and if wrong you will still be dealing with a moderator-that will not take any crap:-) Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: Dean, does this not qualify as an ad-hom? Dean Moore wrote: cd: or lose all creditability as Lance had done in my opinion of this matter. -- ~~~Dave Hansen[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.langlitz.com~~~If you wish to receivethings I find interesting,I maintain six email lists...JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS,STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
- Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/7/2006 10:02:24 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? Moderator: No, DaveH but there are many levels of Ad. Hom attacking going on here so to clear the confusion one should be able to prove their charge they make against others. One should not knock an idea unless one can offer a better one or lose credibility-So what is you better idea?I am all ears. By the way I can change the rules if there is good reason to do so-but you cannot.(maybe he found love for me after all.)DAVEH: We all love you, Dean. I'm just not sure we all can tolerate, let alone survive, you! Moderator: For someone who expresses concerns about surviving me-you show no hesitation provoking me-Why is that? Also love a little harder as it isn't quite coming through my computer Dave. (I'll copy this to John, as he may appreciate the irony in it.) Moderator : Just save it-with the way things are going He should be able to read it here in a short amount of time.Dean Moore wrote: Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)-Please explanation after my coming chastisement from David.But don't jump the gun and attack me as he seems to be hesitating(maybe he found love for me after all.)-and if wrong you will still be dealing with a moderator-that will not take any crap:-) Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: Dean, does this not qualify as an ad-hom?Dean Moore wrote: cd: or lose all creditability as Lance had done in my opinion of this matter. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/7/2006 6:04:30 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Follow your conscience, Dean. Sometimes your conscience is directed by God but, sometimes cd: I do not preach another conscience Lance-I preach the written word of God -from the Bible itself-again words have meaning and it is written in English .How can that be wrong? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 06, 2006 20:56 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? cd: Is speaking of the greatness if Christ "objective" to you Lance? That is what I we do. Would you like to come and hear me speak-or Kevin? He is Just across the falls and I will meet you there? We only encourage others to come to Jesus-why are we wrong to do so? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/6/2006 12:23:25 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Me too, Dave. When TRUELY OBJECTIONABLE BEHAVIOUR is objected to (by 'acting out') these persons occasionally do seem surprised. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 06, 2006 10:43 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: OK Dean, I understand your sensitivity to such and will respond without using the words you find objectionable. I would like to continue to discuss this, as I find it interesting to see how SPers think. I am curious as to why one would still show up on somebody's doorstep when an objectionable topic is mentioned rather than discuss it with them via the phone or email? What is to be accomplished by a personal visit? Most folks would understand such a visit to be a physical threat, even though it could be claimed that the offended has a constitutional right to confront the offender. The reason I ask this is because it seems to me that many SPers seemed surprised that they are physically attacked when confronting sinners on the streets. Yet they feel compelled to stare the jaws of death (so to speak) in the mouth. Is this a martyr complex of sorts? Does it give SPers confidence if they are persecuted for the Lord's sake ? I suppose an argument can be made that if one dies while in the service of the Lord, it would be a feather in the cap of the persecuted while at the same time driving the persecutor even deeper into hell. To me that seems like rather odd logic, considering that the SPer (or guy showing up on the doorstep) is somewhat a catalyst in this scenario. IOWIs a SPer guilty of promoting a problem when he uses his constitutionally guaranteed free speech to aggravate a situation that can and will likely turn to violence?Dean Moore wrote: Moderator: Wouldn't have to show up in Portland DaveH-all I would have to do is click a button and my problem is solved and that is exactly what I going to do the next time you use the words-** in the combination that you used them below. Discussion over-warning given! - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/5/2006 12:52:41 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: Dean, from what you said previously about the oneness of husband and wife, if I were to ask you about ,, you would take that as a personal attack on ** and would then presume it to be a personal attack on you as well, and then proceed to come to Portland and show up on my doorstep.is that correct? Wouldn't it be smarter just to say the same thing to me via email or a phone call, rather than show up on my doorstep? What would be accomplished by coming to Portland? If I were then to assume you are on my doorstep for a reason other than an amicable discussion, and felt my life was being threatened by your presence on my doorstep, I would probably not answer the door. Wouldn't that just frustrate your reason for going to all that effort, cost, time and travel in an effort to come to my doorstep? Would you proceed to pound on my doo r expecting me to open it? If I did not respond to your pounding, then what would you do? And if you continued to pound on my door, what would you do if I opened it with a gun in my hand, as I might do if I perceived you as being a threat to me in my home? At that point, if you turned and left, nothing else would happen and you would have spent a lot of effort for little reason other than to satisfy your pride. If on the other hand you were to raise the level of confrontation by arguing, and if I misunderstood the reasons you were on my doorstep confronting me and refusing to leave, would you be surprised if it led to a lethal action on my part? IF that above scenario were to occur, how do you think the law would view
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
- Original Message -
From: Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/7/2006 6:03:14 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Look up the word 'lie'. Mistaken, wrong conclusion (one that does not follow from the source chosen), misinterpretation...these are not synonymous with lying, Dean. This is that of which I speak. Further, I've suggested and, the last couple of years has borne this out, that several on TT are unteachable. Their commitment to their existing frame of reference (not Scripture) is a kind of 'bondage'.
cd: Maybe those "unteachable(s)" are relying on the clear words of another teacher Lance-the Bible.
- Original Message -
From: Dean Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 06, 2006 20:52
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
cd: Judy is right in the things she is telling you Lance-But you do not seem to have a ear to hear her because other have clogged you hearing-This is truth whether you believe it or not -The Great God will meet you one day with this same truth Judy speaks of-mark my words it will happen- and the friend you have surrounded yourself will be in hiding with nowhere to go.They will not speak up at that time for shame will be their covering.Know for certain that this will happen and the only way to escape this from happening is to listen to the words of Christ that Judy is teaching.Judy resounds the word of God Lance-read it for yourself and consider and see if she lies.You would do well to listen to her.
- Original Message -
From: Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/6/2006 7:57:03 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
YOU ARE SINCERELY WRONG, JUDY..ON SOME THINGS! Should there be one on TT who believes Judy to be right on all things, then identify yourself, please!
I prefer to identify truth as a who (Jesus) rather than a what (an abstracted observation concerning Him).
- Original Message -
From: Judy Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 06, 2006 07:50
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
You may regard me as sincere Lance but you have made no bones about the fact that IYO I am sincerely wrong.
We have trouble "defining" what truth is and what truth is not Lance - Why not allow Jesus who is The Truth to mediate?
If you are speaking for Lance - that is one thing. You can say things like "all truth is God's truth" and join the ranks
of the New Agers and other misguided souls. But when you claim to speak for God and judge other believers for him -
Well that deserves a response .. because you are way out of order.
On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 07:41:09 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Judy: I'm reigning myself in as I regard you as sincere and genuine. Are there non on TT , other than Gary, able to distinguish knowing ALL truth from knowing ANY truth? Further, it is imperative that we come to understand that some of that which we believe as truth isn't! This ain't rocket science, folks"
From: Judy Taylor
No Lance, because this is a fact which I have demonstrated already this morning ie:
Lance says we can not know truth. Pontius Pilate asked "What is Truth" - Jesus says
"Sanctify them through Thy Truth - Thy Word is Truth" (John 17:17)
"If you continue in My Word then are ye my disciples indeed and ye shall know the truth
and the truth shall make you free" (John 8:32)
"When He the Spirit of Truth is come He will guide you into ALL Truth" (John 16:13)
Lance, blatantly contradicts the words of Jesus - So whose report will you believe??
On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 07:21:48 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Mr. Moderator, please! 'the Spirit of Truth whom you (Lance) reject."
1. Does this require a warning?
2. I'm open to hearing from all on TT as to whether they concur with this observation.
From: Judy Taylor
They changed the known world after receiving the Spirit of Truth whom you reject.
On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 06:38:28 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
What about Jesus' disciples?
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 05, 2006 19:21
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
the operative word was 'teachable'
Circus animals are teachable!Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Please ask the MODERATOR to scan this post for ad-homs will you Dean? ('dancing brotherhood' 'keep on dancing around', 'try asking them') No, I don't have particularly broad shoulders but, I can bear up under the weight of this mighty assault, Dean. Dean: the operative word was &
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/7/2006 5:54:36 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? THE truth to read MY truth or, truth as I interpret it. How I read the words that are spoken-We all do speak English right? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 06, 2006 18:13 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)-Please explanation after my coming chastisement from David.But don't jump the gun and attack me as he seems to be hesitating(maybe he found love for me after all.)-and if wrong you will still be dealing with a moderator-that will not take any crap:-) - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/5/2006 12:52:42 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: Dean, does this not qualify as an ad-hom?Dean Moore wrote: cd: or lose all creditability as Lance had done in my opinion of this matter. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
DH says The reason I ask this is because it seems to me that many SPers seemed surprised that they are physically attacked when confronting sinners on the streets. Yet they feel compelled to stare the jaws of death (so to speak) in the mouth. Is this a martyr complex of sorts? Does it give SPers confidence if they are persecuted for the Lord's sake? I suppose an argument can be made that if one dies while in the service of the Lord, it would be a feather in the cap of the persecuted while at the same time driving the persecutor even deeper into hell. To me that seems like rather odd logic, considering that the SPer (or guy showing up on the doorstep) is somewhat a catalyst in this scenario. IOWIs a SPer guilty of promoting a problem when he uses his constitutionally guaranteed free speech to aggravate a situation that can and will likely turn to violence? "And will turn to violence" Are you admitting then that LDS folks can not control there baser instincts? We should expect LDS to become violent? The whole situation shows that LDS have no spiritual power. There is not one "preacher" in the bunch. Even the D&C says that LDS are called by their god, to confound us publicly, but not a one can open their mouths. This is a great sign that they are none of God's ministers, but like the other prophets of Baal could not call down anything from heaven! Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:DAVEH: OK Dean, I understand your sensitivity to such and will respond without using the words you find objectionable. I would like to continue to discuss this, as I find it interesting to see how SPers think. I am curious as to why one would still show up on somebody's doorstep when an objectionable topic is mentioned rather than discuss it with them via the phone or email? What is to be accomplished by a personal visit? Most folks would understand such a visit to be a physical threat, even though it could be claimed that the offended has a constitutional right to confront the offender. The reason I ask this is because it seems to me that many SPers seemed surprised that they are physically attacked when confronting sinners on the streets. Yet they feel compelled to stare the jaws of death (so to speak) in the mouth. Is this a martyr complex of sorts? Does it give SPers confidence if they are persecuted for the Lord's sake? I suppose an argument can be made that if one dies while in the service of the Lord, it would be a feather in the cap of the persecuted while at the same time driving the persecutor even deeper into hell. To me that seems like rather odd logic, considering that the SPer (or guy showing up on the doorstep) is somewhat a catalyst in this scenario. IOWIs a SPer guilty of promoting a problem when he uses his constitutionally guaranteed free speech to aggravate a situation that can and will likely turn to violence?Dean Moore wrote: Moderator: Wouldn't have to show up in Portland DaveH-all I would have to do is click a button and my problem is solved and that is exactly what I going to do the next time you use the words-** in the combination that you used them below. Discussion over-warning given! - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/5/2006 12:52:41 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?DAVEH: Dean, from what you said previously about the oneness of husband and wife, if I were to ask you about ,, you would take that as a personal attack on ** and would then presume it to be a personal attack on you as well, and then proceed to come to Portland and show up on my doorstep.is that correct? Wouldn't it be smarter just to say the same thing to me via email or a phone call, rather than show up on my doorstep? What would be accomplished by coming to Portland? If I were then to assume you are on my doorstep for a reason other than an amicable discussion, and felt my life was being threatened by your presence on my doorstep, I would probably not answer the door. Wouldn't that just frustrate your reason for going to all that effort, cost, time and travel in an effort to come to my doorstep? Would you proceed to pound on my doo r expecting me to open it? If I did not respond to your pounding, then what would you do? And if you continued to pound on my door, what would you do if I opened it with a gun in my hand, as I might do if I perceived you as being a threat to me in my home? At that point, if you turned and left, nothing else would happen and you would have spent a lot of effort for little reason other than to satisfy your pride. If on the other hand you were to raise the level of confrontation by arguing, and if I misunderstood the reasons you were on my doorstep confronting me and r
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DAVEH: ??? You did what likewise, Lance?
Lance Muir wrote:
I did likewise, Dave.
-
Original Message -
From:
Dave
Hansen
To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent:
March 07, 2006 10:01
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his
point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion?
Why mine decision of course)
DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on
the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that
what you consider to be fair?
(maybe he found love for me after all.)
DAVEH: We all love you, Dean. I'm just not sure we all can tolerate,
let alone survive, you! (I'll copy this to John, as he may
appreciate the irony in it.)
Dean Moore wrote:
Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if
one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion?
Why mine decision of course)-Please explanation after my coming
chastisement from David.But don't jump the gun and attack me as he
seems to be hesitating(maybe he found love for me after all.)-and
if wrong you will still be dealing with a moderator-that will not take
any crap:-)
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
DAVEH: Dean, does this not qualify as an
ad-hom?
Dean Moore wrote:
cd: or lose all
creditability as Lance had done in my opinion of this matter.
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Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
I did likewise, Dave.
- Original Message -
From:
Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 07, 2006 10:01
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of
truthtalk?
The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove
his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion?
Why mine decision of course)DAVEH: Did the
rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the
needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you
consider to be fair?(maybe he found love for me after
all.)DAVEH: We all love you, Dean. I'm
just not sure we all can tolerate, let alone survive, you!
(I'll copy this to John, as he may appreciate the irony in it.)Dean
Moore wrote:
Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can
prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine
decision of course)-Please explanation after my coming chastisement from
David.But don't jump the gun and attack me as he seems to be
hesitating(maybe he found love for me after all.)-and if wrong you
will still be dealing with a moderator-that will not take any
crap:-)
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
DAVEH: Dean, does this not qualify
as an ad-hom?Dean Moore wrote:
cd: or lose all
creditability as Lance had done in my opinion of this
matter.
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Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course) DAVEH: Did the rules change, Dean? Are the rules being modified on the fly to suit the needs of the moderator??? As a moderator, is that what you consider to be fair? (maybe he found love for me after all.) DAVEH: We all love you, Dean. I'm just not sure we all can tolerate, let alone survive, you! (I'll copy this to John, as he may appreciate the irony in it.) Dean Moore wrote: Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of course)-Please explanation after my coming chastisement from David.But don't jump the gun and attack me as he seems to be hesitating(maybe he found love for me after all.)-and if wrong you will still be dealing with a moderator-that will not take any crap:-) Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: Dean, does this not qualify as an ad-hom? Dean Moore wrote: cd: or lose all creditability as Lance had done in my opinion of this matter. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Follow your conscience, Dean. Sometimes your conscience is directed by God but, sometimes - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 06, 2006 20:56 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? cd: Is speaking of the greatness if Christ "objective" to you Lance? That is what I we do. Would you like to come and hear me speak-or Kevin? He is Just across the falls and I will meet you there? We only encourage others to come to Jesus-why are we wrong to do so? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/6/2006 12:23:25 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Me too, Dave. When TRUELY OBJECTIONABLE BEHAVIOUR is objected to (by 'acting out') these persons occasionally do seem surprised. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 06, 2006 10:43 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: OK Dean, I understand your sensitivity to such and will respond without using the words you find objectionable. I would like to continue to discuss this, as I find it interesting to see how SPers think. I am curious as to why one would still show up on somebody's doorstep when an objectionable topic is mentioned rather than discuss it with them via the phone or email? What is to be accomplished by a personal visit? Most folks would understand such a visit to be a physical threat, even though it could be claimed that the offended has a constitutional right to confront the offender. The reason I ask this is because it seems to me that many SPers seemed surprised that they are physically attacked when confronting sinners on the streets. Yet they feel compelled to stare the jaws of death (so to speak) in the mouth. Is this a martyr complex of sorts? Does it give SPers confidence if they are persecuted for the Lord's sake ? I suppose an argument can be made that if one dies while in the service of the Lord, it would be a feather in the cap of the persecuted while at the same time driving the persecutor even deeper into hell. To me that seems like rather odd logic, considering that the SPer (or guy showing up on the doorstep) is somewhat a catalyst in this scenario. IOWIs a SPer guilty of promoting a problem when he uses his constitutionally guaranteed free speech to aggravate a situation that can and will likely turn to violence?Dean Moore wrote: Moderator: Wouldn't have to show up in Portland DaveH-all I would have to do is click a button and my problem is solved and that is exactly what I going to do the next time you use the words-** in the combination that you used them below. Discussion over-warning given! - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/5/2006 12:52:41 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: Dean, from what you said previously about the oneness of husband and wife, if I were to ask you about ,, you would take that as a personal attack on ** and would then presume it to be a personal attack on you as well, and then proceed to come to Portland and show up on my doorstep.is that correct? Wouldn't it be smarter just to say the same thing to me via email or a phone call, rather than show up on my doorstep? What would be accomplished by coming to Portland? If I were then to assume you are on my doorstep for a reason other than an amicable discussion, and felt my life was being threatened by your presence on my doorstep, I would probably not answer the door. Wouldn't that just frustrate your reason for going to all that effort, cost, time and travel in an effort to come to my doorstep? Would you proceed to pound on my doo r expecting me to open it? If I did not respond to your pounding, then what would you do? And if you continued to pound on my door, what would you do if I opened it with a gun in my hand, as I might do if I perceived you as being a threat to me in my home? At that point, if you turned and left, nothing else would happen and you would hav
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
THE truth to read MY truth or, truth as I interpret
it.
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 06, 2006 18:13
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of
truthtalk?
Moderator: No-The truth is not Ad. Hom attacks if one can prove
his point to a reasonable conclusion(whose conclusion? Why mine decision of
course)-Please explanation after my coming chastisement from David.But don't
jump the gun and attack me as he seems to be hesitating(maybe he found love
for me after all.)-and if wrong you will still be dealing with a
moderator-that will not take any crap:-)
- Original Message -
From:
Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 12:52:42 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit'
of truthtalk?
DAVEH: Dean, does this not qualify
as an ad-hom?Dean Moore wrote:
cd: or lose all
creditability as Lance had done in my opinion of this
matter.
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Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
cd: Is speaking of the greatness if Christ "objective" to you Lance? That is what I we do. Would you like to come and hear me speak-or Kevin? He is Just across the falls and I will meet you there? We only encourage others to come to Jesus-why are we wrong to do so? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/6/2006 12:23:25 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Me too, Dave. When TRUELY OBJECTIONABLE BEHAVIOUR is objected to (by 'acting out') these persons occasionally do seem surprised. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 06, 2006 10:43 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: OK Dean, I understand your sensitivity to such and will respond without using the words you find objectionable. I would like to continue to discuss this, as I find it interesting to see how SPers think. I am curious as to why one would still show up on somebody's doorstep when an objectionable topic is mentioned rather than discuss it with them via the phone or email? What is to be accomplished by a personal visit? Most folks would understand such a visit to be a physical threat, even though it could be claimed that the offended has a constitutional right to confront the offender. The reason I ask this is because it seems to me that many SPers seemed surprised that they are physically attacked when confronting sinners on the streets. Yet they feel compelled to stare the jaws of death (so to speak) in the mouth. Is this a martyr complex of sorts? Does it give SPers confidence if they are persecuted for the Lord's sake ? I suppose an argument can be made that if one dies while in the service of the Lord, it would be a feather in the cap of the persecuted while at the same time driving the persecutor even deeper into hell. To me that seems like rather odd logic, considering that the SPer (or guy showing up on the doorstep) is somewhat a catalyst in this scenario. IOWIs a SPer guilty of promoting a problem when he uses his constitutionally guaranteed free speech to aggravate a situation that can and will likely turn to violence?Dean Moore wrote: Moderator: Wouldn't have to show up in Portland DaveH-all I would have to do is click a button and my problem is solved and that is exactly what I going to do the next time you use the words-** in the combination that you used them below. Discussion over-warning given! - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/5/2006 12:52:41 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: Dean, from what you said previously about the oneness of husband and wife, if I were to ask you about ,, you would take that as a personal attack on ** and would then presume it to be a personal attack on you as well, and then proceed to come to Portland and show up on my doorstep.is that correct? Wouldn't it be smarter just to say the same thing to me via email or a phone call, rather than show up on my doorstep? What would be accomplished by coming to Portland? If I were then to assume you are on my doorstep for a reason other than an amicable discussion, and felt my life was being threatened by your presence on my doorstep, I would probably not answer the door. Wouldn't that just frustrate your reason for going to all that effort, cost, time and travel in an effort to come to my doorstep? Would you proceed to pound on my doo r expecting me to open it? If I did not respond to your pounding, then what would you do? And if you continued to pound on my door, what would you do if I opened it with a gun in my hand, as I might do if I perceived you as being a threat to me in my home? At that point, if you turned and left, nothing else would happen and you would have spent a lot of effort for little reason other than to satisfy your pride. If on the other hand you were to raise the level of confrontation by arguing, and if I misunderstood the reasons you were on my doorstep confronting me and refusing to leave, would you be surprised if it led to a lethal action on my part? IF that above scenario were to occur, how do you think the law would view this matter? Would I be found guilty of manslaughter, or would you be guilty of threatening my life to the point of my using justifiable lethal means in self-defense? In my defense, I'm sure my lawyer would quote your comment. ...-- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
cd: Judy is right in the things she is telling you Lance-But you do not seem to have a ear to hear her because other have clogged you hearing-This is truth whether you believe it or not -The Great God will meet you one day with this same truth Judy speaks of-mark my words it will happen- and the friend you have surrounded yourself will be in hiding with nowhere to go.They will not speak up at that time for shame will be their covering.Know for certain that this will happen and the only way to escape this from happening is to listen to the words of Christ that Judy is teaching.Judy resounds the word of God Lance-read it for yourself and consider and see if she lies.You would do well to listen to her.
- Original Message -
From: Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/6/2006 7:57:03 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
YOU ARE SINCERELY WRONG, JUDY..ON SOME THINGS! Should there be one on TT who believes Judy to be right on all things, then identify yourself, please!
I prefer to identify truth as a who (Jesus) rather than a what (an abstracted observation concerning Him).
- Original Message -
From: Judy Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 06, 2006 07:50
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
You may regard me as sincere Lance but you have made no bones about the fact that IYO I am sincerely wrong.
We have trouble "defining" what truth is and what truth is not Lance - Why not allow Jesus who is The Truth to mediate?
If you are speaking for Lance - that is one thing. You can say things like "all truth is God's truth" and join the ranks
of the New Agers and other misguided souls. But when you claim to speak for God and judge other believers for him -
Well that deserves a response .. because you are way out of order.
On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 07:41:09 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Judy: I'm reigning myself in as I regard you as sincere and genuine. Are there non on TT , other than Gary, able to distinguish knowing ALL truth from knowing ANY truth? Further, it is imperative that we come to understand that some of that which we believe as truth isn't! This ain't rocket science, folks"
From: Judy Taylor
No Lance, because this is a fact which I have demonstrated already this morning ie:
Lance says we can not know truth. Pontius Pilate asked "What is Truth" - Jesus says
"Sanctify them through Thy Truth - Thy Word is Truth" (John 17:17)
"If you continue in My Word then are ye my disciples indeed and ye shall know the truth
and the truth shall make you free" (John 8:32)
"When He the Spirit of Truth is come He will guide you into ALL Truth" (John 16:13)
Lance, blatantly contradicts the words of Jesus - So whose report will you believe??
On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 07:21:48 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Mr. Moderator, please! 'the Spirit of Truth whom you (Lance) reject."
1. Does this require a warning?
2. I'm open to hearing from all on TT as to whether they concur with this observation.
From: Judy Taylor
They changed the known world after receiving the Spirit of Truth whom you reject.
On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 06:38:28 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
What about Jesus' disciples?
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 05, 2006 19:21
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
the operative word was 'teachable'
Circus animals are teachable!Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Please ask the MODERATOR to scan this post for ad-homs will you Dean? ('dancing brotherhood' 'keep on dancing around', 'try asking them') No, I don't have particularly broad shoulders but, I can bear up under the weight of this mighty assault, Dean. Dean: the operative word was 'teachable' which is what you are not.I do know an intractable position when I see one, Dean.
- Original Message -
From: Dean Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 05, 2006 11:05
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
cd: So I take it that you don't know Lance?No accusations going on here lance-just asking a question-If this is not teaching about the Rapture what does it mean? Doesn't the dancing brotherhood you claim not have a Idea for the meaning of this passage or do they just keep on dancing around this passage also-If you don't know Lance-Try asking them?
- Original Message -
From: Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 10:40:30 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Those ON TT who fall into the category 'open to be taught&#x
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
cd: By the way "StudyLight" is a good site-thanks you for this;.Do you know of any site like TT-I think I will need one soon? E-mail back in private bro. Thanks again. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/5/2006 7:37:52 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? there is no NT word 'rapture' which means the 'rapture' doctrine is extra-biblical--it ain't there ROTFL You sound like a JW There is no word trinity the bible so That is so sophmoric LOL So if a word is not in the Bible there can be NO Here are some more words not found in the bible Atheism Divinity Incarnation Rapture MonotheismBTW Bible is not found in the bible THEREFORE there is NO BIBLE LOL DYLAN says: This argument is as irrelevant as it is illogical and quite meaningless The word is the greek Harpazo meaning to be caught away or pluck up http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=726 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: myth (there's nothing private, quiet or secretive about the resurrection, below--this is the biblical resurrection in Christ--a noisy event God stages; also, there is no NT word 'rapture' which means the 'rapture' doctrine is extra-biblical--it ain't there) On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 10:01:18 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I wonder if Lance..believe[s] that Christ already returned in the first century || cd: It is the rapture that Lance doesn't believe in Christine. -- 1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: || __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
cd:LOL Kevin you are one sharp bro:-)The Dylan part was outstanding:-) - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/5/2006 7:37:52 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? there is no NT word 'rapture' which means the 'rapture' doctrine is extra-biblical--it ain't there ROTFL You sound like a JW There is no word trinity the bible so That is so sophmoric LOL So if a word is not in the Bible there can be NO Here are some more words not found in the bible Atheism Divinity Incarnation Rapture MonotheismBTW Bible is not found in the bible THEREFORE there is NO BIBLE LOL DYLAN says: This argument is as irrelevant as it is illogical and quite meaningless The word is the greek Harpazo meaning to be caught away or pluck up http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=726 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: myth (there's nothing private, quiet or secretive about the resurrection, below--this is the biblical resurrection in Christ--a noisy event God stages; also, there is no NT word 'rapture' which means the 'rapture' doctrine is extra-biblical--it ain't there) On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 10:01:18 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I wonder if Lance..believe[s] that Christ already returned in the first century || cd: It is the rapture that Lance doesn't believe in Christine. -- 1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: || __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
cd: Thank you DavH -know that in truth I appricate this(**). I will answer you question as soon as I have given it thought-Only a fool rushs their answers with you as I have learned not to be:-) - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/6/2006 11:23:11 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: OK Dean, I understand your sensitivity to such and will respond without using the words you find objectionable. I would like to continue to discuss this, as I find it interesting to see how SPers think. I am curious as to why one would still show up on somebody's doorstep when an objectionable topic is mentioned rather than discuss it with them via the phone or email? What is to be accomplished by a personal visit? Most folks would understand such a visit to be a physical threat, even though it could be claimed that the offended has a constitutional right to confront the offender. The reason I ask this is because it seems to me that many SPers seemed surprised that they are physically attacked when confronting sinners on the streets. Yet they feel compelled to stare the jaws of death (so to speak) in the mouth. Is this a martyr complex of sorts? Does it give SPers confidence if they are persecuted for th e Lord's sake? I suppose an argument can be made that if one dies while in the service of the Lord, it would be a feather in the cap of the persecuted while at the same time driving the persecutor even deeper into hell. To me that seems like rather odd logic, considering that the SPer (or guy showing up on the doorstep) is somewhat a catalyst in this scenario. IOWIs a SPer guilty of promoting a problem when he uses his constitutionally guaranteed free speech to aggravate a situation that can and will likely turn to violence?Dean Moore wrote: Moderator: Wouldn't have to show up in Portland DaveH-all I would have to do is click a button and my problem is solved and that is exactly what I going to do the next time you use the words-** in the combination that you used them below. Discussion over-warning given! - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/5/2006 12:52:41 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? DAVEH: Dean, from what you said previously about the oneness of husband and wife, if I were to ask you about ,, you would take that as a personal attack on ** and would then presume it to be a personal attack on you as well, and then proceed to come to Portland and show up on my doorstep.is that correct? Wouldn't it be smarter just to say the same thing to me via email or a phone call, rather than show up on my doorstep? What would be accomplished by coming to Portland? If I were then to assume you are on my doorstep for a reason other than an amicable discussion, and felt my life was being threatened by your presence on my doorstep, I would probably not answer the door. Wouldn't that just frustrate your reason for going to all that effort, cost, time and travel in an effort to come to my doorstep? Would you proceed to pound on my doo r expecting me to open it? If I did not respond to your pounding, then what would you do? And if you continued to pound on my door, what would you do if I opened it with a gun in my hand, as I might do if I perceived you as being a threat to me in my home? At that point, if you turned and left, nothing else would happen and you would have spent a lot of effort for little reason other than to satisfy your pride. If on the other hand you were to raise the level of confrontation by arguing, and if I misunderstood the reasons you were on my doorstep confronting me and refusing to leave, would you be surprised if it led to a lethal action on my part? IF that above scenario were to occur, how do you think the law would view this matter? Would I be found guilty of manslaughter, or would you be guilty of threatening my life to the point of my using justifiable lethal means in self-defense? In my defense, I'm sure my lawyer would quote your comment. ...-- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Gary-Here is a though for the wise: In the event spoken of in 1 Thess:4 The brethren are called up and Christ does not come to earth-In the return of Christ (end of trib)-He stand upon the mount of Olive and a great valley is formed. Two separate events.Also if a Mexican said On' delay which means hurry-can you say that the word "Hurry"is wrong because it wasn't in the Mexicans vocabulary? Being seized up(caught up) means rapture.I for one believe that you are smarter then you act on TT bro-but your dislike for me leads you into mistakes. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/5/2006 12:46:50 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? the issue you're pressing now relates to 4:16, doesn't it? "there's nothing private, quiet or secretive about the resurrection, below--this is the biblical resurrection in Christ, a noisy event God stages; also, there is no NT word 'rapture' which means the 'rapture' doctrine is extra-biblical-- it ain't there" - g On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 12:20:49 -0500 "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ..How about you explaining 1 Thess.4:13-18... - Original Message ----- From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/5/2006 11:30:01 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? myth (there's nothing private, quiet or secretive about the resurrection, below--this is the biblical resurrection in Christ--a noisy event God stages; also, there is no NT word 'rapture' which means the 'rapture' doctrine is extra-biblical--it ain't there) On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 10:01:18 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I wonder if Lance..believe[s] that Christ already returned in the first century || cd: It is the rapture that Lance doesn't believe in Christine. -- 1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: ||
