RE: [U2] Differences between UV and UD
Adding to Brian Leach's and Bill Haskett's posts, and I fully support that we will not get into which is better for they are different due to their lineage as Charles stated. Structural Differences: High Availability - UniData's before and after image capabilities in the Recoverable File System (RFS) provide for a more robust solution for recoverability. U2 Lab Services is investigating if the before and after image logs can be used to build Change Data Capture for Data Warehousing Applications. UniVerse only has a post image log architecture. National Language Support - UniVerse can handle multi-byte languages and supports operating systems implementations of how to work with the native language of the individual. UniData can handle any language that can fit into the 256 bit structure of characters. Distributed Files - UniVerse has the ability to have distributed files, where you can cut a large file into pieces, called partfiles. When the partfiles are created, index(es) are stored with the partfiles. Stated another way, all of the indexes related to the partfile are contained with the partfile. Steve Stephen M. O'Neal U2 Lab Services Sales Specialist Information Management, IBM Software Group --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Download 7.20 available
I am pleased to announce that version 7.20 of Download is available on our ftp site: ftp.cedarville.edu Download is a utility that uses LIST-style syntax to create output in a variety of formats (csv, tab, HTML, XML, etc.). Here are the changes implemented in version 7.20: * Add XML.GROUP.ATTRIBUTE qualifier. * Add XML.ELEMENT qualifier. * Add DEFAULT XML.ELEMENT option. * Add DEFAULT XML.ATTRIBUTE option. * Bug fix (APPEND in format XML should remove closing root tag) * Bug fix (documentation indicated that XML.FILE.NAME NONE will * function the same as XML.FILE.NAME , but this was not happening) * Corrected documentation on illegal characters in XML values (the * documentation indicated that these characters would be removed, * but they are actually replaced by acceptable expressions) The file 000README.TXT on the ftp site contains instructions for installing Download. As usual, the installation takes only a few minutes. A history of changes made in earlier versions is in the file DOWNLOAD.VER on the ftp site. Dave Rotman Associate Vice President for Technology Chief Information Officer Cedarville University 251 N. Main Street Cedarville, OH 45314 [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice 937-766-7905 fax 937-766-8819 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Users of UniVerse
Nestle Waters is in the process of converting to an SAP solution, as part of the worldwide Nestle initiative known as Globe. Also SAP-bound are: Hughes Supply/Home Depot Supply of Orlando and Ferguson Enterprises of Newport News, VA. All three of these companies have spent millions of dollars (MILLIONS) on customizing their in-house U2 software - and those systems are now destined for the scrap heap. So, those companies would probably *not* be good references for a stick with U2 campaign. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Derwin Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 4:26 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Users of UniVerse Nestli Waters North America (Perrier), Greenwich, CT Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:29 AM Hi, all. My sales group has a need to convince some prospects that real companies do, indeed, use UniVerse. snip Dave Liesse Quality Manager SSC Technologies, Inc. - This e-mail and any attachments may contain CONFIDENTIAL information, including PROTECTED HEALTH INFORMATION. If you are not the intended recipient, any use or disclosure of this information is STRICTLY PROHIBITED; you are requested to delete this e-mail and any attachments, notify the sender immediately, and notify the LabCorp Privacy Officer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call (877) 23-HIPAA / (877) 234-4722. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: Spam:Re: [U2] Users of UniVerse
It was USC and the operator was Mike O' Rear. I hope I spelled that correctly. - Original Message - From: Drew Henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 5:15 PM Subject: Spam:Re: [U2] Users of UniVerse One of the schools out there (can't recall for sure if it was UC-B) used to run Prime Information on Prime systems. One of the admins out there hosted the info-prime list (the predecessor to this group, IIRC.) Aptron sells the AIMS education management software (we've been running it since 1981: Prime Information/Primos - Universe/HP-UX - Universe/Linux; in the process of moving to Colleague) that runs under Universe. Drew Gabriel Green wrote: When I was a student sysadmin at UC Berkeley, the entire housing and dining system, door entry cards, student payment system, et cetera, ran on a refrigerator-sized McDonnel Douglass computer running some form of PICK (I am curious now, does anyone here want to tell me what those ran?) During my time there I was a UNIX/Windows sysadmin but that department converted from that machine to a NT4 box running UniVerse. AFAIK, they are still using UniVerse. Gabe --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- -- Drew Henderson There are two types of people - Dir. for Computer Center Operations those who do the work and those [EMAIL PROTECTED] who take the credit. Try to be in the first group, there is 110 Ginger Hall less competition. Morehead State University Indira Ghandi Morehead, KY 40351 Phone: 606/783-2445 Fax: 606/783-5078 -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Users of UniVerse
Nestle has a global strategy no U2 developer has designed software to handle - I see logic for that move. Hughes got bought by Home Depot, so they go whereever they are taken - that change was inevitable whether a good move or not. But why would Ferguson be moving? Was the issue the application or the database? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karen Bessel Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:21 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Users of UniVerse Nestle Waters is in the process of converting to an SAP solution, as part of the worldwide Nestle initiative known as Globe. Also SAP-bound are: Hughes Supply/Home Depot Supply of Orlando and Ferguson Enterprises of Newport News, VA. All three of these companies have spent millions of dollars (MILLIONS) on customizing their in-house U2 software - and those systems are now destined for the scrap heap. So, those companies would probably *not* be good references for a stick with U2 campaign. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: Spam:Re: [U2] Users of UniVerse
That was it! It's been a ln time! Jerry wrote: It was USC and the operator was Mike O' Rear. I hope I spelled that correctly. -- -- Drew Henderson There are two types of people - Dir. for Computer Center Operations those who do the work and those [EMAIL PROTECTED] who take the credit. Try to be in the first group, there is 110 Ginger Hall less competition. Morehead State University Indira Ghandi Morehead, KY 40351 Phone: 606/783-2445 Fax: 606/783-5078 -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Users of UniVerse
I'm not sure why Ferguson is moving. It may be the fact that they are a child company of Wolesley (a UK based building supply giant) and a sister company of Stock Building Supply in Raleigh NC (they run Progress-based Trend) so I think it's a consistency issue. I worked at FEI for two years after relocating to VA from CT, caught the scent of danger when the wind was blowing in the right direction, and got out last fall. It's a good thing I did too, because Ferguson's U2 developers are catching the boot left right. The NWNA U2 application is a route management system built solely for the home/office bottled water delivery business - it has idiosyncrasies that are very different than the Nestle global initiative. I'm not sure SAP is going to be a good fit for that particular application. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Wolverton Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:52 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Users of UniVerse Nestle has a global strategy no U2 developer has designed software to handle - I see logic for that move. Hughes got bought by Home Depot, so they go whereever they are taken - that change was inevitable whether a good move or not. But why would Ferguson be moving? Was the issue the application or the database? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karen Bessel Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:21 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Users of UniVerse Nestle Waters is in the process of converting to an SAP solution, as part of the worldwide Nestle initiative known as Globe. Also SAP-bound are: Hughes Supply/Home Depot Supply of Orlando and Ferguson Enterprises of Newport News, VA. All three of these companies have spent millions of dollars (MILLIONS) on customizing their in-house U2 software - and those systems are now destined for the scrap heap. So, those companies would probably *not* be good references for a stick with U2 campaign. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Users of UniVerse
HSBC in their investment banking division have been using Universe or it's predecessors for the last 20 odd years and look likely to do so for the next twenty .. Liesse, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 27/04/2007 14:28 Mail Size: 4842 Please respond to u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org cc Subject [U2] Users of UniVerse Entity Investment Banking Europe - IBEU Hi, all. My sales group has a need to convince some prospects that real companies do, indeed, use UniVerse. Naturally and logically, there are no references on the IBM web site. I've been tasked with coming up with the names of a few UniVerse users - no contacts, just companies. If any of you is willing to let it be known that your employer uses UV, please respond as soon as possible. Of course, this was a last-minute request, so I don't have time to go through the normal channels to get reference lists. Again, I emphasize that we're NOT looking for contact information, and it's doubtful anyone will even think of trying to get in touch with you; we're just facing the usual concern that UV is a minor product at which real companies turn up their noses and sniff haughtily before they go off and use a real system like SQL Server. Dave Liesse Quality Manager SSC Technologies, Inc. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ HSBC Bank plc may be solicited in the course of its placement efforts for a new issue, by investment clients of the firm for whom the Bank as a firm already provides other services. It may equally decide to allocate to its own proprietary book or with an associate of HSBC Group. This represents a potential conflict of interest. HSBC Bank plc has internal arrangements designed to ensure that the firm would give unbiased and full advice to the corporate finance client about the valuation and pricing of the offering as well as internal systems, controls and procedures to identify and manage conflicts of interest. HSBC Bank plc Registered Office: 8 Canada Square, London E14 5HQ, United Kingdom Registered in England - Number 14259 Authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority. - SAVE PAPER - THINK BEFORE YOU PRINT! This transmission has been issued by a member of the HSBC Group HSBC for the information of the addressee only and should not be reproduced and/or distributed to any other person. Each page attached hereto must be read in conjunction with any disclaimer which forms part of it. Unless otherwise stated, this transmission is neither an offer nor the solicitation of an offer to sell or purchase any investment. Its contents are based on information obtained from sources believed to be reliable but HSBC makes no representation and accepts no responsibility or liability as to its completeness or accuracy. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: Spam:RE: [U2] Users of UniVerse
Anybody know if, I think it was, Alamo or Dollar car rental agencies are still on a Pick database. Which ever one it was, was one of Prime's customers. - Original Message - From: Karen Bessel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:15 AM Subject: Spam:RE: [U2] Users of UniVerse I'm not sure why Ferguson is moving. It may be the fact that they are a child company of Wolesley (a UK based building supply giant) and a sister company of Stock Building Supply in Raleigh NC (they run Progress-based Trend) so I think it's a consistency issue. I worked at FEI for two years after relocating to VA from CT, caught the scent of danger when the wind was blowing in the right direction, and got out last fall. It's a good thing I did too, because Ferguson's U2 developers are catching the boot left right. The NWNA U2 application is a route management system built solely for the home/office bottled water delivery business - it has idiosyncrasies that are very different than the Nestle global initiative. I'm not sure SAP is going to be a good fit for that particular application. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Wolverton Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:52 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Users of UniVerse Nestle has a global strategy no U2 developer has designed software to handle - I see logic for that move. Hughes got bought by Home Depot, so they go whereever they are taken - that change was inevitable whether a good move or not. But why would Ferguson be moving? Was the issue the application or the database? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karen Bessel Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:21 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Users of UniVerse Nestle Waters is in the process of converting to an SAP solution, as part of the worldwide Nestle initiative known as Globe. Also SAP-bound are: Hughes Supply/Home Depot Supply of Orlando and Ferguson Enterprises of Newport News, VA. All three of these companies have spent millions of dollars (MILLIONS) on customizing their in-house U2 software - and those systems are now destined for the scrap heap. So, those companies would probably *not* be good references for a stick with U2 campaign. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Differences between UV and UD
The story that I remember is that UD was a major overhaul re-write of UV using the C language. At the time, UD got the benefit of some C technology. From some point of view, there has been some leap-frogging. At one time, Epicor was recommending UniData on Microsoft OS servers and Universe on Unix boxes. --Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gabriel Green Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 5:28 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Differences between UV and UD I feel a little dumb asking this but IBM's site isn't exactly informative with my question--- What are the principle differences between UV and UD anyway? Thanks, Gabe --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Users of UniVerse
Give them time and they may well be stellar references for stick with U2 A lot of these get off of U2 initiatives cost a lot of money only to revert back to U2 in the end. Tom Dodds -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karen Bessel Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 6:21 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Users of UniVerse Nestle Waters is in the process of converting to an SAP solution, as part of the worldwide Nestle initiative known as Globe. Also SAP-bound are: Hughes Supply/Home Depot Supply of Orlando and Ferguson Enterprises of Newport News, VA. All three of these companies have spent millions of dollars (MILLIONS) on customizing their in-house U2 software - and those systems are now destined for the scrap heap. So, those companies would probably *not* be good references for a stick with U2 campaign. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Derwin Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 4:26 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Users of UniVerse Nestli Waters North America (Perrier), Greenwich, CT Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:29 AM Hi, all. My sales group has a need to convince some prospects that real companies do, indeed, use UniVerse. snip Dave Liesse Quality Manager SSC Technologies, Inc. - This e-mail and any attachments may contain CONFIDENTIAL information, including PROTECTED HEALTH INFORMATION. If you are not the intended recipient, any use or disclosure of this information is STRICTLY PROHIBITED; you are requested to delete this e-mail and any attachments, notify the sender immediately, and notify the LabCorp Privacy Officer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call (877) 23-HIPAA / (877) 234-4722. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Differences between UV and UD
Sorry Bill but thats not correct. Both UV and UD were developed around the same time by two separate companies, UV by Vmark and UD by (amazingly enough) Unidata. Both were written in C. UV was introduced (IIRC) about a year before UD. Both were Unix based implementations of Prime Computers (Primos based) Prime Information product. Brutzman, Bill wrote: The story that I remember is that UD was a major overhaul re-write of UV using the C language. At the time, UD got the benefit of some C technology. From some point of view, there has been some leap-frogging. [SNIP] -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasnyATgmailDotcom --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Differences between UV and UD
Many little extended syntax elements are not supported: for example the standard substring delimiter formats Variable[2,3] is supported but not Variable[3] and Variable[,,2,1]. Lots of other subtle differences. Variable[3] will work on UD if the point is to bring back the rightmost 3 characters. Bruce M Neylon Health Care Management Group --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Differences between UV and UD
I wonder if these answers could be turned into the start of a U2UG Knowledgebase entry. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: Spam:Re: [U2] Users of UniVerse
All, Mike O' Rear was the original founder of this list. He handed it to Clif. After a mere nine years, Clif handed stewardship over to U2UG. - Chuck Jerry wrote: It was USC and the operator was Mike O' Rear. I hope I spelled that correctly. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Differences between UV and UD
I second the motion! That was a motion, right? I'm SURE that was a motion! clasping hands and kneeling with head bowed BobW -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stevenson, Charles Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:16 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Differences between UV and UD I wonder if these answers could be turned into the start of a U2UG Knowledgebase entry. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: Spam:RE: [U2] Users of UniVerse
Hi Karen, How was your weekend? Joe -Original Message- From: Karen Bessel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:15 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Spam:RE: [U2] Users of UniVerse I'm not sure why Ferguson is moving. It may be the fact that they are a child company of Wolesley (a UK based building supply giant) and a sister company of Stock Building Supply in Raleigh NC (they run Progress-based Trend) so I think it's a consistency issue. I worked at FEI for two years after relocating to VA from CT, caught the scent of danger when the wind was blowing in the right direction, and got out last fall. It's a good thing I did too, because Ferguson's U2 developers are catching the boot left right. The NWNA U2 application is a route management system built solely for the home/office bottled water delivery business - it has idiosyncrasies that are very different than the Nestle global initiative. I'm not sure SAP is going to be a good fit for that particular application. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Wolverton Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:52 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Users of UniVerse Nestle has a global strategy no U2 developer has designed software to handle - I see logic for that move. Hughes got bought by Home Depot, so they go whereever they are taken - that change was inevitable whether a good move or not. But why would Ferguson be moving? Was the issue the application or the database? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karen Bessel Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:21 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Users of UniVerse Nestle Waters is in the process of converting to an SAP solution, as part of the worldwide Nestle initiative known as Globe. Also SAP-bound are: Hughes Supply/Home Depot Supply of Orlando and Ferguson Enterprises of Newport News, VA. All three of these companies have spent millions of dollars (MILLIONS) on customizing their in-house U2 software - and those systems are now destined for the scrap heap. So, those companies would probably *not* be good references for a stick with U2 campaign. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: Spam:Re: [U2] Users of UniVerse
I was thinking someone else hosted it awhile before Mikebut my memory may be having some multiple bit errors! It's been a long time since the info-prime days. Drew Charles Barouch wrote: All, Mike O' Rear was the original founder of this list. He handed it to Clif. After a mere nine years, Clif handed stewardship over to U2UG. - Chuck Jerry wrote: It was USC and the operator was Mike O' Rear. I hope I spelled that correctly. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- -- Drew Henderson There are two types of people - Dir. for Computer Center Operations those who do the work and those [EMAIL PROTECTED] who take the credit. Try to be in the first group, there is 110 Ginger Hall less competition. Morehead State University Indira Ghandi Morehead, KY 40351 Phone: 606/783-2445 Fax: 606/783-5078 -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] [UV] Deleting a Printer
We have a bunch of printers in the UniVerse (v10.1) spooler that I would like to delete. I do not see a menu option when I LOGTO UV. Comments would be appreciated. --Bill --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: Spam:Re: [U2] Differences between UV and UD
As a matter of fact Vmark was located in one of Prime's old buildings on Speen Street. - Original Message - From: Jeff Schasny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:20 AM Subject: Spam:Re: [U2] Differences between UV and UD Sorry Bill but thats not correct. Both UV and UD were developed around the same time by two separate companies, UV by Vmark and UD by (amazingly enough) Unidata. Both were written in C. UV was introduced (IIRC) about a year before UD. Both were Unix based implementations of Prime Computers (Primos based) Prime Information product. Brutzman, Bill wrote: The story that I remember is that UD was a major overhaul re-write of UV using the C language. At the time, UD got the benefit of some C technology. From some point of view, there has been some leap-frogging. [SNIP] -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasnyATgmailDotcom --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: Spam:Re: Spam:Re: [U2] Users of UniVerse
I also have that feeling but I could be wrong after all that was shortly after Al Gore invented the internet. - Original Message - From: Drew Henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 12:13 PM Subject: Spam:Re: Spam:Re: [U2] Users of UniVerse I was thinking someone else hosted it awhile before Mikebut my memory may be having some multiple bit errors! It's been a long time since the info-prime days. Drew Charles Barouch wrote: All, Mike O' Rear was the original founder of this list. He handed it to Clif. After a mere nine years, Clif handed stewardship over to U2UG. - Chuck Jerry wrote: It was USC and the operator was Mike O' Rear. I hope I spelled that correctly. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- -- Drew Henderson There are two types of people - Dir. for Computer Center Operations those who do the work and those [EMAIL PROTECTED] who take the credit. Try to be in the first group, there is 110 Ginger Hall less competition. Morehead State University Indira Ghandi Morehead, KY 40351 Phone: 606/783-2445 Fax: 606/783-5078 -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: Spam:Re: [U2] Users of UniVerse
I was thinking someone else hosted it awhile before Mikebut my memory may be having some multiple bit errors! I thought that was called a Backward Link Error === Norman Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.brake.com === One more repo and I'll be debt-free. === --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Users of UniVerse
While it is true that Ferguson is on a path to SAP, the rollout is still several years out. Until then, we are still enhancing our current UniData applications. With the rollout dates still uncertain, and the off chance that the change will be cancelled, we aren't about to leave our user base falling behind without new enhancements. Ferguson is moving to SAP so that all Wolseley companies will be on the same package. As far as developers catching the boot left right, that is a stretch. Over the past year, two developers have been dismissed, and both were due to poor performance. A few of others have left on their own for their own reasons, but the rate is no greater than a normal turnover rate. At least one who left attempted to return, but had burned their bridges. We have more developers now than we've ever had, and we're hiring. So, if any quality developers are interested in the challenge of working in an environment with 9 interconnected UniData servers with up to 3500 users and 5000 udt sessions each, look us up. Dean Armbruster UniData DBA/System Analyst Wolseley North American Division * 12500 Jefferson Avenue * Newport News * VA * 23602-4314 T: +1(757) 989-2839 * F: +1(757)989-2801 * E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wolseley.com blocked::http://www.wolseley.com/ Wolseley plc registered office Parkview 1220 Arlington Business Park Theale Nr Reading RG7 4GA United Kingdom Registration No. 29846 England -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karen Bessel Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:15 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Users of UniVerse I'm not sure why Ferguson is moving. It may be the fact that they are a child company of Wolesley (a UK based building supply giant) and a sister company of Stock Building Supply in Raleigh NC (they run Progress-based Trend) so I think it's a consistency issue. I worked at FEI for two years after relocating to VA from CT, caught the scent of danger when the wind was blowing in the right direction, and got out last fall. It's a good thing I did too, because Ferguson's U2 developers are catching the boot left right. The NWNA U2 application is a route management system built solely for the home/office bottled water delivery business - it has idiosyncrasies that are very different than the Nestle global initiative. I'm not sure SAP is going to be a good fit for that particular application. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Wolverton Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:52 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Users of UniVerse Nestle has a global strategy no U2 developer has designed software to handle - I see logic for that move. Hughes got bought by Home Depot, so they go whereever they are taken - that change was inevitable whether a good move or not. But why would Ferguson be moving? Was the issue the application or the database? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karen Bessel Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:21 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Users of UniVerse Nestle Waters is in the process of converting to an SAP solution, as part of the worldwide Nestle initiative known as Globe. Also SAP-bound are: Hughes Supply/Home Depot Supply of Orlando and Ferguson Enterprises of Newport News, VA. All three of these companies have spent millions of dollars (MILLIONS) on customizing their in-house U2 software - and those systems are now destined for the scrap heap. So, those companies would probably *not* be good references for a stick with U2 campaign. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Differences between UV and UD
It's my understanding that the people that started VMark came from Prime and thus had a Prime Information background. Pete Simmons, one of the principle architects of UniVerse, was a software engineer at Prime Computers. I am sure they came away from Prime with more that a few tricks in their bag. They basically took the Prime Information concept and enhanced it to create UniVerse. They really didn't have the chance or the necessity to start all over and, in your terms, do it right. I'm not trying to start the hated which is better argument, just the statement that starting with a blank sheet of paper, after some years of experience with Pick/PI/PI Open, maybe some Rev and Arev, etc, is more likely to come up with a similar, but quite different product. I would also suggest that if the UniData folks were satisfied with PI/PI Open/UniVerse, they would not have gone to the trouble of creating UniData. I know from my own experience in helping to write the Prime Information System, after 5-6 years of experience with Reality, created a product that was significantly different from Reality, but still very similar. Each iteration is a step up, hopefully. In my humble or sometime not so humble opinion. Tom Dodds -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stevenson, Charles Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:48 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Differences between UV and UD I've always thought that there was a difference of philosophy from Day 1 that underlied the 2 organizations that manifests itself in the software: Vmark/UV: All things to all men, that I might by all means sell to some. (If you'll allow me to misquote St. Paul.) UniData: Do it right. They took the opportunity to recreate MV PI in their own image. (I'm continuing to bastardize the Bible.) There are pluses minuses to each approach. I am NOT arguing which is better, just that some differences in the products can be explained in terms of the respective philosophies of the organizations. Examples: 1. Conversions from other MVs: UV: inherently easier. BaskinRobbins 31 Flavours. UD: supplies conversion tools to help you, since it is more extensive. 2. UV tends to resolve ambiguities and go on, where UD tends to abort. That means you might get up and running with UV sooner, but UD aborts on bugs that need to be resolved. That can be characterized in terms of rigidity/flexibility. Those EACH have positive AND negative connotations, with respect to Software Quality Attributes, both inherent within UV UD itself, and in your ability to build quality into your ap using each environment. Consider the implications on: Correctness Dependability Learnability Efficiency Portability Robustness What is important to you would influence your preference of UV or UD. By the way, I've worked in UV much more than UD, which is fine by me. But take that as circumstance of history, more than personal bias. Chuck Stevenson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [UV] Deleting a Printer
Goto Devices then after getting to the printer entry press F10 to get a menu. Move to Action then Delete. Roy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brutzman, Bill Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:02 PM To: 'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org' Subject: [U2] [UV] Deleting a Printer We have a bunch of printers in the UniVerse (v10.1) spooler that I would like to delete. I do not see a menu option when I LOGTO UV. Comments would be appreciated. --Bill --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [UV] Deleting a Printer
I assume you are using the MOTIF menu? You need to go to spooler...devices and select the printer to delete, then hit F10 to invoke the menu bar above the detail area... I prefer to use the UniAdmin gui for this stuff these days. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brutzman, Bill Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:02 PM To: 'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org' Subject: [U2] [UV] Deleting a Printer We have a bunch of printers in the UniVerse (v10.1) spooler that I would like to delete. I do not see a menu option when I LOGTO UV. Comments would be appreciated. --Bill --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [UV] Deleting a Printer
snip I assume you are using the MOTIF menu? /snip Silly me... Of course the final screen is the same whether you use MOTIF or the regular menu... :) --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Differences between UV and UD
Okay, I have been sucked into this conversation: I would also suggest that if the UniData folks were satisfied with PI/PI Open/ UniVerse, they would not have gone to the trouble of creating UniData. The early versions of Unidata were poor cousins to PI/Open (imho). One of the Unidata engineers sat in our offices many years ago and said that their versions of Basic and the query language were based directly on the Prime Information manuals. ( They did not have a copy of PI in the office while they were working to emulate it.) My understanding is that Unidata had a database, and was looking for an established market that they could enter with it; they chose the MV market. Vmark (which predated Unidata by a number of years, I believe) saw an opportunity to move the MV market from Reality and Primos to Unix, which they correctly perceived as supplanting the existing proprietary minicomputers of the time. It took several years after Vmark released Universe for Prime to release their (excellent) Unix version of Prime-Information. Prime failed for familiar reasons: Their development and marketing structure was based on the high-margins of proprietary systems, and they were the target of a prolonged hostile takeover attempt, which dissuaded customers from updating their equipment and cost the company the farm. In retrospect, Unix had probably doomed them; I doubt that they could have shifted their structure fast enough to be successful with it. :-) --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: Spam:Re: [U2] Differences between UV and UD
If I remember correctly Vmark built the first releases of PI on Unix for Prime. - Original Message - From: Richard Nuckolls [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:18 PM Subject: Spam:Re: [U2] Differences between UV and UD proprietary minicomputers of the time. It took several years after Vmark released Universe for Prime to release their (excellent) Unix version of Prime-Information. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Differences between UV and UD
On 4/30/07, Richard Nuckolls [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, I have been sucked into this conversation: Ditto. I would also suggest that if the UniData folks were satisfied with PI/PI Open/ UniVerse, they would not have gone to the trouble of creating UniData. Given the little I know of the various personalities, I think the UDT developers would have gone ahead anyway. The initial developer had a vision which is what he told the judge when UniData is became one of the few Pickalikes to win the lawsuit brought against them by Dick Pick and co. The early versions of Unidata were poor cousins to PI/Open (imho). One of the Unidata engineers sat in our offices many years ago and said that their versions of Basic and the query language were based directly on the Prime Information manuals. ( They did not have a copy of PI in the office while they were working to emulate it.) Yes, I'm not sure what, if anything, PI/Open had to to do with UniData, but Pr1me Information was the basis for the specification, with an interest in working more tightly with various industry standards of the day, including unix and SQL (but via OpenServer/OpenClient instead of ODBC--bad call on that). My understanding is that Unidata had a database, and was looking for an established market that they could enter with it; they chose the MV market. The original developer worked for a PI shop and learned from PI experts, at least one of whom is likely still on this list. Vmark (which predated Unidata by a number of years, I believe) It depends on what milestones are used. My recollection of the conversations is fuzzy now, but I attempted some amount of fuzzy accuracy in the start of each effort in the family tree poster, showing uniVerse starting (perhaps as a company, with products coming later, sorry I forget that right now), slightly before UniData. http://www.tincat-group.com/mv/familytree.html saw an opportunity to move the MV market from Reality and Primos to Unix, That opportunity included the fact that Microdata built it into their Reality product not to permit any disk drives other than those they made (and perhaps other attempts to permit customers to use only their hardware). This prompted some VARs to form a consortium out of which UniVerse came. which they correctly perceived as supplanting the existing proprietary minicomputers of the time. It took several years after Vmark released Universe for Prime to release their (excellent) Unix version of Prime-Information. Prime failed for familiar reasons: Their development and marketing structure was based on the high-margins of proprietary systems, and they were the target of a prolonged hostile takeover attempt, which dissuaded customers from updating their equipment and cost the company the farm. In retrospect, Unix had probably doomed them; I doubt that they could have shifted their structure fast enough to be successful with it. :-) I remember it well and have a soft spot in my heart for Pr1me. I'll add the tidbit that UniVerse did lose the lawsuit against them. This was based on the line from the Alfa UPIX guys to UniVerse and the fact that there was an individual working at either Pick Systems (I think) or a Pick customer site who caught one of the UPIX guys taking a full backup of the database/OS including source code. Since that time, UniVerse incorporated IN2, the French version, so they definitely do now have some Pick systems code in their product, where UniData was a clean room implementation, even if the specs were from PI. At least that is how I recall the conversations I have had to date about the history of these products. I'm happy to hear other stories and dates. Cheers! --dawn -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Differences between UV and UD
Hi, Jim Todhunter and Phil (can't remember his surname - not me although I did work at VMark later on) were behind the development of UV. There were also some people who came over from Prime of who Pete Simmonson (sp?) was one I believe. Mark Baldridge or Glenn Herbert can probably confirm this as they have been around the companies who have owned UV the longest probably. Cheers, Phil. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Schasny Sent: Tuesday, 1 May 2007 6:00 a.m. To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Differences between UV and UD Sorry Bill but thats not correct. Both UV and UD were developed around the same time by two separate companies, UV by Vmark and UD by (amazingly enough) Unidata. Both were written in C. UV was introduced (IIRC) about a year before UD. Both were Unix based implementations of Prime Computers (Primos based) Prime Information product. Brutzman, Bill wrote: The story that I remember is that UD was a major overhaul re-write of UV using the C language. At the time, UD got the benefit of some C technology. From some point of view, there has been some leap-frogging. [SNIP] -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasnyATgmailDotcom --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: Spam:Re: Spam:Re: [U2] Users of UniVerse
As much as I hate to admit it, but I found some email from info-prime from 1994, and it was hosted on eeyore at USC then. I found a reference on the web to the list being hosted by Al Costanzo at Kean in 1991. I also found a reference to a USC ARPA list from 1987. Drew Jerry wrote: I also have that feeling but I could be wrong after all that was shortly after Al Gore invented the internet. - Original Message - From: Drew Henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 12:13 PM Subject: Spam:Re: Spam:Re: [U2] Users of UniVerse I was thinking someone else hosted it awhile before Mikebut my memory may be having some multiple bit errors! It's been a long time since the info-prime days. Drew -- -- Drew Henderson There are two types of people - Dir. for Computer Center Operations those who do the work and those [EMAIL PROTECTED] who take the credit. Try to be in the first group, there is 110 Ginger Hall less competition. Morehead State University Indira Ghandi Morehead, KY 40351 Phone: 606/783-2445 Fax: 606/783-5078 -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Differences between UV and UD
Google sez: Vmark was founded in 1984; Unidata in 1986. I did not find a date for PI/Open. If I remember correctly Vmark built the first releases of PI on Unix for Prime. Highly doubtful. Vmark was a direct competitor of Prime. The original Prime Information was written by Devcom in Bellevue, Wa, in the very late '70's. Substantial portions were written in PMA (Prime macro-assembler). Most of the rest was written in Fortran or Bootstrapped in Basic. PI/Open was a fresh start, written by a collection of Brit's, in large part, who did a good job of separating/abstracting the function of the product from the OS that it was running on. They rewrote the product from scratch in C. Prime was parted out in 1988, and I think that may have been when Vmark bought PI/Open. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Differences between UV and UD
All of this sounds right to me. I had jumped ship by this time. Tom Dodds -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Nuckolls Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 12:18 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Differences between UV and UD Okay, I have been sucked into this conversation: I would also suggest that if the UniData folks were satisfied with PI/PI Open/ UniVerse, they would not have gone to the trouble of creating UniData. The early versions of Unidata were poor cousins to PI/Open (imho). One of the Unidata engineers sat in our offices many years ago and said that their versions of Basic and the query language were based directly on the Prime Information manuals. ( They did not have a copy of PI in the office while they were working to emulate it.) My understanding is that Unidata had a database, and was looking for an established market that they could enter with it; they chose the MV market. Vmark (which predated Unidata by a number of years, I believe) saw an opportunity to move the MV market from Reality and Primos to Unix, which they correctly perceived as supplanting the existing proprietary minicomputers of the time. It took several years after Vmark released Universe for Prime to release their (excellent) Unix version of Prime-Information. Prime failed for familiar reasons: Their development and marketing structure was based on the high-margins of proprietary systems, and they were the target of a prolonged hostile takeover attempt, which dissuaded customers from updating their equipment and cost the company the farm. In retrospect, Unix had probably doomed them; I doubt that they could have shifted their structure fast enough to be successful with it. :-) --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: Spam:Re: [U2] Differences between UV and UD
We rebranded a a version of uniVerse as PI/EXL prior to the release of PI/Open. PI/Open, was *not* from vmark, it was created internally at Prime, with most of the work done at the Prime UK facility. Martin Phillips was part of the UK team. -lance Jerry wrote: If I remember correctly Vmark built the first releases of PI on Unix for Prime. - Original Message - From: Richard Nuckolls [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:18 PM Subject: Spam:Re: [U2] Differences between UV and UD proprietary minicomputers of the time. It took several years after Vmark released Universe for Prime to release their (excellent) Unix version of Prime-Information. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Connecting to a remote Universe server in Universe Basic
Hi all. Does anyone know what is the easiest way for Universe BASIC programs to access or update records residing on another Universe server? In Visual Basic, this can be done easily using UniObject. But I am surprised that Universe BASIC itself does not seem to have the capability provided by UniObject. ODBC is out of the question because our Universe servers are runing on two HP-UX boxes without ODBC drivers. Our administrators have no plan to acquire ODBC drivers for them. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Jason --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Connecting to a remote Universe server in Universe Basic
Look in the manuals for remote file pointers, there is a way to do this without required UV/Net installed. It's a setting that just needs to be set in the config file on one of the servers and then you can create file pointers with a network path. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Lin Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:14 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Connecting to a remote Universe server in Universe Basic Hi all. Does anyone know what is the easiest way for Universe BASIC programs to access or update records residing on another Universe server? In Visual Basic, this can be done easily using UniObject. But I am surprised that Universe BASIC itself does not seem to have the capability provided by UniObject. ODBC is out of the question because our Universe servers are runing on two HP-UX boxes without ODBC drivers. Our administrators have no plan to acquire ODBC drivers for them. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Jason --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Who Am I ? wIntegrate
How do I tell UniBasic whether I am Dynamic Connect or wIntegrate? I want to prevent users from running a Dynamic Connect session if wIntegrate is required to run the application. --Bill --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: Spam:Re: [U2] Differences between UV and UD
Thanks Lance, Ah, I had forgotten about PI/EXL. I could not believe that Universe had anything to do with the core of PI/Open. -Rick On Apr 30, 2007, at 2:17 PM, Lance J. Andersen wrote: We rebranded a a version of uniVerse as PI/EXL prior to the release of PI/Open. PI/Open, was *not* from vmark, it was created internally at Prime, with most of the work done at the Prime UK facility. Martin Phillips was part of the UK team. -lance Jerry wrote: If I remember correctly Vmark built the first releases of PI on Unix for Prime. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Who Am I ? wIntegrate
I think this is what you're looking for.
Try capturing the results of the tty command (UNIX). These are different if
terminal (dev/pty##) or if wIntegrate.
We use this style of testing for Datatel's UI so that wIntegrate gets the
prompt and terminal gets a menu.
I've trimmed it a touch to make it clearer but if you change the echos to
write to a file you should capture the correct value.
ISINT=`tty | grep -c /dev/pts`
if [ ${ISINT}j = 1j ]
then
echo Terminal session
else
echo From wIntegrate
fi
Hope this helps.
Ron Sharcott (3635)
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:42 PM
To: 'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org'
Subject: [U2] Who Am I ? wIntegrate
How do I tell UniBasic whether I am Dynamic Connect or wIntegrate?
I want to prevent users from running a Dynamic Connect session if wIntegrate
is required to run the application.
--Bill
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Re: [U2] Differences between UV and UD
My memory is a bit rusty, I think we released the first release of PI/Open in 1989. Richard Nuckolls wrote: Google sez: Vmark was founded in 1984; Unidata in 1986. I did not find a date for PI/Open. If I remember correctly Vmark built the first releases of PI on Unix for Prime. Highly doubtful. Vmark was a direct competitor of Prime. The original Prime Information was written by Devcom in Bellevue, Wa, in the very late '70's. Substantial portions were written in PMA (Prime macro-assembler). Most of the rest was written in Fortran or Bootstrapped in Basic. PI/Open was a fresh start, written by a collection of Brit's, in large part, who did a good job of separating/abstracting the function of the product from the OS that it was running on. They rewrote the product from scratch in C. Prime was parted out in 1988, and I think that may have been when Vmark bought PI/Open. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Differences between UV and UD
I also believe that the original PI for the PC was a Vmark implementation but it could have been Revelation. At the time when I left Prime, in January 1990, PI-Open did not exist or a least it wasn't being offered yet. Jerry - Original Message - From: Richard Nuckolls [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:47 PM Subject: Spam:Re: Spam:Re: [U2] Differences between UV and UD Thanks Lance, Ah, I had forgotten about PI/EXL. I could not believe that Universe had anything to do with the core of PI/Open. -Rick On Apr 30, 2007, at 2:17 PM, Lance J. Andersen wrote: We rebranded a a version of uniVerse as PI/EXL prior to the release of PI/Open. PI/Open, was *not* from vmark, it was created internally at Prime, with most of the work done at the Prime UK facility. Martin Phillips was part of the UK team. -lance Jerry wrote: If I remember correctly Vmark built the first releases of PI on Unix for Prime. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Connecting to a remote Universe server in Universe Basic
Jason, in the configuration editor ALLOWNFS = 1 then create a voc entry to the remove server I use a permanently mapped drive for each server and maintain the voc entries inside the basic programs. That way the same program can do multiple servers. jak - Original Message - From: Peter Veenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 7:34 AM Subject: RE: [U2] Connecting to a remote Universe server in Universe Basic Look in the manuals for remote file pointers, there is a way to do this without required UV/Net installed. It's a setting that just needs to be set in the config file on one of the servers and then you can create file pointers with a network path. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Lin Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:14 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Connecting to a remote Universe server in Universe Basic Hi all. Does anyone know what is the easiest way for Universe BASIC programs to access or update records residing on another Universe server? In Visual Basic, this can be done easily using UniObject. But I am surprised that Universe BASIC itself does not seem to have the capability provided by UniObject. ODBC is out of the question because our Universe servers are runing on two HP-UX boxes without ODBC drivers. Our administrators have no plan to acquire ODBC drivers for them. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Jason --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/780 - Release Date: 29/04/2007 6:30 AM --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Differences between UV and UD
PI/pc was a specialized version of Revelation. It was somewhat popular for a short period of time. Nope, PI/Open had no relationship to uniVerse. Jerry wrote: I also believe that the original PI for the PC was a Vmark implementation but it could have been Revelation. At the time when I left Prime, in January 1990, PI-Open did not exist or a least it wasn't being offered yet. Jerry - Original Message - From: Richard Nuckolls [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:47 PM Subject: Spam:Re: Spam:Re: [U2] Differences between UV and UD Thanks Lance, Ah, I had forgotten about PI/EXL. I could not believe that Universe had anything to do with the core of PI/Open. -Rick On Apr 30, 2007, at 2:17 PM, Lance J. Andersen wrote: We rebranded a a version of uniVerse as PI/EXL prior to the release of PI/Open. PI/Open, was *not* from vmark, it was created internally at Prime, with most of the work done at the Prime UK facility. Martin Phillips was part of the UK team. -lance Jerry wrote: If I remember correctly Vmark built the first releases of PI on Unix for Prime. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Connecting to a remote Universe server in Universe Basic
You need to be careful!! If you do this and System A is updating information on System B and System B is updating the same files YOU HAVE NO SHARED LOCKING! That means that not only will READUs on one system not see the READUs on the other system, but they don't see each other's group locks. You have a good chance of breaking files. ALLOWNFS is intended to allow one UV system to READ from the other system. If you want both systems to be updating the same files, you need UV/Net, which maintains shared concurrency locks. -- Regards, Clif ~~~ W. Clifton Oliver, CCP CLIFTON OLIVER ASSOCIATES Tel: +1 619 460 5678Web: www.oliver.com ~~~ John Kent wrote: Jason, in the configuration editor ALLOWNFS = 1 then create a voc entry to the remove server I use a permanently mapped drive for each server and maintain the voc entries inside the basic programs. That way the same program can do multiple servers. jak - Original Message - From: Peter Veenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 7:34 AM Subject: RE: [U2] Connecting to a remote Universe server in Universe Basic Look in the manuals for remote file pointers, there is a way to do this without required UV/Net installed. It's a setting that just needs to be set in the config file on one of the servers and then you can create file pointers with a network path. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Lin Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:14 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Connecting to a remote Universe server in Universe Basic Hi all. Does anyone know what is the easiest way for Universe BASIC programs to access or update records residing on another Universe server? In Visual Basic, this can be done easily using UniObject. But I am surprised that Universe BASIC itself does not seem to have the capability provided by UniObject. ODBC is out of the question because our Universe servers are runing on two HP-UX boxes without ODBC drivers. Our administrators have no plan to acquire ODBC drivers for them. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Jason --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/780 - Release Date: 29/04/2007 6:30 AM --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: Spam:Re: [U2] Differences between UV and UD
Richard Nuckolls wrote: Thanks Lance, anytime. Ah, I had forgotten about PI/EXL. I could not believe that Universe had anything to do with the core of PI/Open. Hard to believe it has been 20 + years since PI/EXL... where did the time go -Rick On Apr 30, 2007, at 2:17 PM, Lance J. Andersen wrote: We rebranded a a version of uniVerse as PI/EXL prior to the release of PI/Open. PI/Open, was *not* from vmark, it was created internally at Prime, with most of the work done at the Prime UK facility. Martin Phillips was part of the UK team. -lance Jerry wrote: If I remember correctly Vmark built the first releases of PI on Unix for Prime. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Differences between UV and UD
Yes, I second (or third) that. PI/Open came from the Rev folks and had nothing to do with UniVerse until it was acquired it after Prime's demise. --dawn -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. Take and give some delight today On 4/30/07, Lance J. Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PI/pc was a specialized version of Revelation. It was somewhat popular for a short period of time. Nope, PI/Open had no relationship to uniVerse. Jerry wrote: I also believe that the original PI for the PC was a Vmark implementation but it could have been Revelation. At the time when I left Prime, in January 1990, PI-Open did not exist or a least it wasn't being offered yet. Jerry - Original Message - From: Richard Nuckolls [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:47 PM Subject: Spam:Re: Spam:Re: [U2] Differences between UV and UD Thanks Lance, Ah, I had forgotten about PI/EXL. I could not believe that Universe had anything to do with the core of PI/Open. -Rick On Apr 30, 2007, at 2:17 PM, Lance J. Andersen wrote: We rebranded a a version of uniVerse as PI/EXL prior to the release of PI/Open. PI/Open, was *not* from vmark, it was created internally at Prime, with most of the work done at the Prime UK facility. Martin Phillips was part of the UK team. -lance Jerry wrote: If I remember correctly Vmark built the first releases of PI on Unix for Prime. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Connecting to a remote Universe server in Universe Basic
Thanks, Peter and John. Your suggestions to use pointers for remote file system probably will work. One concern I have is the file locking. According to the Universe Admin manual, ALLOWNFS allows opening files on remote servers but no locks are maintained. That may not be an issue if all we need to do is query data on the remote server. Jason --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Differences between UV and UD
that is PI/pc not PI/Open that came from Cosmos... Dawn Wolthuis wrote: Yes, I second (or third) that. PI/Open came from the Rev folks and had nothing to do with UniVerse until it was acquired it after Prime's demise. --dawn --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Differences between UV and UD
Oops, yes, that is what I meant. Thanks. --dawn On 4/30/07, Lance J. Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that is PI/pc not PI/Open that came from Cosmos... Dawn Wolthuis wrote: Yes, I second (or third) that. PI/Open came from the Rev folks and had nothing to do with UniVerse until it was acquired it after Prime's demise. --dawn --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Connecting to a remote Universe server in Universe Basic
Jason, i use this technique because its run overnight and no-one (i hope) is using the remote servers The remote servers have a list of what is to be transferred which i update once each transfer has successfully completed. If the connection fails part way through then its just a matter of rerunning the job and it kicks off from where it was interrupted. The file that i update on the remote server only holds the ids and filenames of the records to be transferred. So if it gets corrupted i can easily rebuild it. jak - Original Message - From: Jason Lin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [U2] Connecting to a remote Universe server in Universe Basic Thanks, Peter and John. Your suggestions to use pointers for remote file system probably will work. One concern I have is the file locking. According to the Universe Admin manual, ALLOWNFS allows opening files on remote servers but no locks are maintained. That may not be an issue if all we need to do is query data on the remote server. Jason --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/781 - Release Date: 30/04/2007 9:14 AM --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Connecting to a remote Universe server in Universe Basic
Clifton Oliver wrote: You need to be careful!! If you do this and System A is updating information on System B and System B is updating the same files YOU HAVE NO SHARED LOCKING! That means that not only will READUs on one system not see the READUs on the other system, but they don't see each other's group locks. You have a good chance of breaking files. ALLOWNFS is intended to allow one UV system to READ from the other system. If you want both systems to be updating the same files, you need UV/Net, which maintains shared concurrency locks. Clifton, Is UV/Net part of the standard Universe installation on Unix? The admin manual mentioned a service called uvnetd but I see no such services running on our HP-UX servers and there are no files with such name either. Thanks. Jason --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Connecting to a remote Universe server in Universe Basic
On Apr 30, 2007, at 4:56 PM, Jason Lin wrote: That may not be an issue if all we need to do is query data on the remote server. Even if only one system is doing updating, locks are an issue for (at least) two reasons: The first is that that a group's structure (or for dynamic files, the hashing modulus) may appear to be invalid to a remote system that is reading an NFS mounted file that is concurrently being modified by the system that owns the file. A more dangerous problem may occur with dynamic files because information from the file header is cached when a dynamic file is opened. For the remote system, this copy will become out of date as the file is updated by the directly connected system. There is also the possibility that the file header will overwritten by the out of date version when the remotely mounted version is closed by Universe. Uv/Net is a separately priced product but probably worth it for your situation. You only need it on the system that is accepting the remote access, not the one that is initiating them. -Rick --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
