Re: [Ubnt_users] Aligning AF11

2017-09-03 Thread Alex Pavlos via Ubnt_users 
A couple of items and Forbes if you would like email me (find me on the ubnt 
forum). 

1. Confirm duplexers orientation
2. Run 4.0 official on the radios. 

Start with the standard config and see that you get them connected before 
turning on features. 

Thanks,
Alex 

> On Sep 2, 2017, at 9:03 PM, Mike Hammett <wispaubntus...@ics-il.net> wrote:
> 
> He specifically said he tried it. It's in plain text below.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
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> From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org>
> Sent: Saturday, September 2, 2017 9:00:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Aligning AF11
> 
> I wouldn't think Forbes would try a 5 GHz radio on an 11 GHz dish...
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Sep 2, 2017 9:59 PM, "Mike Hammett" <wispaubntus...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>> He put a 5 gig Rocket on the dish to A) see if the radios are bad and\or B) 
>> it propagates better, so would be a better signal
>> 
>> Unfortunately, the dish is likely the wrong shape to help the 5 GHz at all.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, September 2, 2017 8:31:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Aligning AF11
>> 
>> I'm not sure what you're saying as far as the 5 Ghz and 11 Ghz stuff?
>> 
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>> On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 9:25 PM, Trey Scarborough <t...@3dsc.co> wrote:
>>> As well when you go back out look at look at your coordination paperwork
>>> and it will have your azimuth and any down or up tilt needed. You can
>>> use this to align it if you step back from the tower 100' and use a
>>> compass until it is line with the dish drop an orange cone or something
>>> similar and align the dish with it. This is always a good starting and
>>> reference point to align it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/1/2017 10:49 AM, Robert Dillon wrote:
>>> > I have never tested it but I don't believe a 5GHz radio will work on an 
>>> > 11GHz dish if thats what your doing to test.  If you have true wireless 
>>> > line of site you should have no problems getting a link with AF11s.  What 
>>> > dishes are you using?  I agree with Kurt, take the radios back to the 
>>> > bench and make sure they link up.  Did you double check your 
>>> > configuration:  master-slave, channel size, frequencies, TX-RX flipped on 
>>> > each side, security key, SSID, etc.  Any one of those could cause it to 
>>> > not link up.  Also make sure your diplexers are in correctly in each 
>>> > radio.  We had that once the manufacturer had the sticker on backwards 
>>> > and it would not link up right till we flipped it over.  ALso you can 
>>> > test in SISO mode on both sides to see if that helps.
>>> >
>>> > -Original Message-
>>> > From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] 
>>> > On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
>>> > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 11:30 AM
>>> > To: Ubiquiti Users Group
>>> > Subject: [Ubnt_users] Aligning AF11
>>> >
>>> > We're having some difficulty in aligning a 5.6 mile AirFiber 11 link,
>>> > they won't associate.  We put on a couple of rockets when we couldn't
>>> > get the 11's to see each other, even with the scan it doesn't see the
>>> > rocket we put on the other AF11, maybe it's the antenna being tuned to
>>> > another frequency.  The Rocket does see another 5Ghz AP on that tower at
>>> > -89 but not the one we put on the AF11.
>>> >
>>> > Any ideas would be appreciated.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> >
>>> > Forbes Mercy
>>> > Washington Broadband, Inc.
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Re: [Ubnt_users] Aligning AF11

2017-09-02 Thread Mike Hammett 
He specifically said he tried it. It's in plain text below. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org> 
Sent: Saturday, September 2, 2017 9:00:49 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Aligning AF11 


I wouldn't think Forbes would try a 5 GHz radio on an 11 GHz dish... 


Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Sep 2, 2017 9:59 PM, "Mike Hammett" < wispaubntus...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




He put a 5 gig Rocket on the dish to A) see if the radios are bad and\or B) it 
propagates better, so would be a better signal 

Unfortunately, the dish is likely the wrong shape to help the 5 GHz at all. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 



From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" < ubnt_users@wispa.org > 
Sent: Saturday, September 2, 2017 8:31:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Aligning AF11 


I'm not sure what you're saying as far as the 5 Ghz and 11 Ghz stuff? 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 9:25 PM, Trey Scarborough < t...@3dsc.co > wrote: 


As well when you go back out look at look at your coordination paperwork 
and it will have your azimuth and any down or up tilt needed. You can 
use this to align it if you step back from the tower 100' and use a 
compass until it is line with the dish drop an orange cone or something 
similar and align the dish with it. This is always a good starting and 
reference point to align it. 




On 9/1/2017 10:49 AM, Robert Dillon wrote: 
> I have never tested it but I don't believe a 5GHz radio will work on an 11GHz 
> dish if thats what your doing to test. If you have true wireless line of site 
> you should have no problems getting a link with AF11s. What dishes are you 
> using? I agree with Kurt, take the radios back to the bench and make sure 
> they link up. Did you double check your configuration: master-slave, channel 
> size, frequencies, TX-RX flipped on each side, security key, SSID, etc. Any 
> one of those could cause it to not link up. Also make sure your diplexers are 
> in correctly in each radio. We had that once the manufacturer had the sticker 
> on backwards and it would not link up right till we flipped it over. ALso you 
> can test in SISO mode on both sides to see if that helps. 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
> Behalf Of Forbes Mercy 
> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 11:30 AM 
> To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
> Subject: [Ubnt_users] Aligning AF11 
> 
> We're having some difficulty in aligning a 5.6 mile AirFiber 11 link, 
> they won't associate. We put on a couple of rockets when we couldn't 
> get the 11's to see each other, even with the scan it doesn't see the 
> rocket we put on the other AF11, maybe it's the antenna being tuned to 
> another frequency. The Rocket does see another 5Ghz AP on that tower at 
> -89 but not the one we put on the AF11. 
> 
> Any ideas would be appreciated. 
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Forbes Mercy 
> Washington Broadband, Inc. 
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Re: [Ubnt_users] Aligning AF11

2017-09-02 Thread Josh Luthman 
I wouldn't think Forbes would try a 5 GHz radio on an 11 GHz dish...

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On Sep 2, 2017 9:59 PM, "Mike Hammett" <wispaubntus...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> He put a 5 gig Rocket on the dish to A) see if the radios are bad and\or
> B) it propagates better, so would be a better signal
>
> Unfortunately, the dish is likely the wrong shape to help the 5 GHz at all.
>
>
>
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> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org>
> *Sent: *Saturday, September 2, 2017 8:31:13 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] Aligning AF11
>
> I'm not sure what you're saying as far as the 5 Ghz and 11 Ghz stuff?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 9:25 PM, Trey Scarborough <t...@3dsc.co> wrote:
>
>> As well when you go back out look at look at your coordination paperwork
>> and it will have your azimuth and any down or up tilt needed. You can
>> use this to align it if you step back from the tower 100' and use a
>> compass until it is line with the dish drop an orange cone or something
>> similar and align the dish with it. This is always a good starting and
>> reference point to align it.
>>
>>
>> On 9/1/2017 10:49 AM, Robert Dillon wrote:
>> > I have never tested it but I don't believe a 5GHz radio will work on an
>> 11GHz dish if thats what your doing to test.  If you have true wireless
>> line of site you should have no problems getting a link with AF11s.  What
>> dishes are you using?  I agree with Kurt, take the radios back to the bench
>> and make sure they link up.  Did you double check your configuration:
>> master-slave, channel size, frequencies, TX-RX flipped on each side,
>> security key, SSID, etc.  Any one of those could cause it to not link up.
>> Also make sure your diplexers are in correctly in each radio.  We had that
>> once the manufacturer had the sticker on backwards and it would not link up
>> right till we flipped it over.  ALso you can test in SISO mode on both
>> sides to see if that helps.
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
>> > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 11:30 AM
>> > To: Ubiquiti Users Group
>> > Subject: [Ubnt_users] Aligning AF11
>> >
>> > We're having some difficulty in aligning a 5.6 mile AirFiber 11 link,
>> > they won't associate.  We put on a couple of rockets when we couldn't
>> > get the 11's to see each other, even with the scan it doesn't see the
>> > rocket we put on the other AF11, maybe it's the antenna being tuned to
>> > another frequency.  The Rocket does see another 5Ghz AP on that tower at
>> > -89 but not the one we put on the AF11.
>> >
>> > Any ideas would be appreciated.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Forbes Mercy
>> > Washington Broadband, Inc.
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Re: [Ubnt_users] Aligning AF11

2017-09-02 Thread Mike Hammett 
He put a 5 gig Rocket on the dish to A) see if the radios are bad and\or B) it 
propagates better, so would be a better signal 

Unfortunately, the dish is likely the wrong shape to help the 5 GHz at all. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org> 
Sent: Saturday, September 2, 2017 8:31:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Aligning AF11 


I'm not sure what you're saying as far as the 5 Ghz and 11 Ghz stuff? 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 9:25 PM, Trey Scarborough < t...@3dsc.co > wrote: 


As well when you go back out look at look at your coordination paperwork 
and it will have your azimuth and any down or up tilt needed. You can 
use this to align it if you step back from the tower 100' and use a 
compass until it is line with the dish drop an orange cone or something 
similar and align the dish with it. This is always a good starting and 
reference point to align it. 




On 9/1/2017 10:49 AM, Robert Dillon wrote: 
> I have never tested it but I don't believe a 5GHz radio will work on an 11GHz 
> dish if thats what your doing to test. If you have true wireless line of site 
> you should have no problems getting a link with AF11s. What dishes are you 
> using? I agree with Kurt, take the radios back to the bench and make sure 
> they link up. Did you double check your configuration: master-slave, channel 
> size, frequencies, TX-RX flipped on each side, security key, SSID, etc. Any 
> one of those could cause it to not link up. Also make sure your diplexers are 
> in correctly in each radio. We had that once the manufacturer had the sticker 
> on backwards and it would not link up right till we flipped it over. ALso you 
> can test in SISO mode on both sides to see if that helps. 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
> Behalf Of Forbes Mercy 
> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 11:30 AM 
> To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
> Subject: [Ubnt_users] Aligning AF11 
> 
> We're having some difficulty in aligning a 5.6 mile AirFiber 11 link, 
> they won't associate. We put on a couple of rockets when we couldn't 
> get the 11's to see each other, even with the scan it doesn't see the 
> rocket we put on the other AF11, maybe it's the antenna being tuned to 
> another frequency. The Rocket does see another 5Ghz AP on that tower at 
> -89 but not the one we put on the AF11. 
> 
> Any ideas would be appreciated. 
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Forbes Mercy 
> Washington Broadband, Inc. 
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Re: [Ubnt_users] Aligning AF11

2017-09-02 Thread Josh Luthman 
I'm not sure what you're saying as far as the 5 Ghz and 11 Ghz stuff?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 9:25 PM, Trey Scarborough  wrote:

> As well when you go back out look at look at your coordination paperwork
> and it will have your azimuth and any down or up tilt needed. You can
> use this to align it if you step back from the tower 100' and use a
> compass until it is line with the dish drop an orange cone or something
> similar and align the dish with it. This is always a good starting and
> reference point to align it.
>
>
> On 9/1/2017 10:49 AM, Robert Dillon wrote:
> > I have never tested it but I don't believe a 5GHz radio will work on an
> 11GHz dish if thats what your doing to test.  If you have true wireless
> line of site you should have no problems getting a link with AF11s.  What
> dishes are you using?  I agree with Kurt, take the radios back to the bench
> and make sure they link up.  Did you double check your configuration:
> master-slave, channel size, frequencies, TX-RX flipped on each side,
> security key, SSID, etc.  Any one of those could cause it to not link up.
> Also make sure your diplexers are in correctly in each radio.  We had that
> once the manufacturer had the sticker on backwards and it would not link up
> right till we flipped it over.  ALso you can test in SISO mode on both
> sides to see if that helps.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
> > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 11:30 AM
> > To: Ubiquiti Users Group
> > Subject: [Ubnt_users] Aligning AF11
> >
> > We're having some difficulty in aligning a 5.6 mile AirFiber 11 link,
> > they won't associate.  We put on a couple of rockets when we couldn't
> > get the 11's to see each other, even with the scan it doesn't see the
> > rocket we put on the other AF11, maybe it's the antenna being tuned to
> > another frequency.  The Rocket does see another 5Ghz AP on that tower at
> > -89 but not the one we put on the AF11.
> >
> > Any ideas would be appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Forbes Mercy
> > Washington Broadband, Inc.
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Re: [Ubnt_users] Aligning AF11

2017-09-02 Thread Trey Scarborough 
As well when you go back out look at look at your coordination paperwork 
and it will have your azimuth and any down or up tilt needed. You can 
use this to align it if you step back from the tower 100' and use a 
compass until it is line with the dish drop an orange cone or something 
similar and align the dish with it. This is always a good starting and 
reference point to align it.


On 9/1/2017 10:49 AM, Robert Dillon wrote:
> I have never tested it but I don't believe a 5GHz radio will work on an 11GHz 
> dish if thats what your doing to test.  If you have true wireless line of 
> site you should have no problems getting a link with AF11s.  What dishes are 
> you using?  I agree with Kurt, take the radios back to the bench and make 
> sure they link up.  Did you double check your configuration:  master-slave, 
> channel size, frequencies, TX-RX flipped on each side, security key, SSID, 
> etc.  Any one of those could cause it to not link up.  Also make sure your 
> diplexers are in correctly in each radio.  We had that once the manufacturer 
> had the sticker on backwards and it would not link up right till we flipped 
> it over.  ALso you can test in SISO mode on both sides to see if that helps.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 11:30 AM
> To: Ubiquiti Users Group
> Subject: [Ubnt_users] Aligning AF11
> 
> We're having some difficulty in aligning a 5.6 mile AirFiber 11 link,
> they won't associate.  We put on a couple of rockets when we couldn't
> get the 11's to see each other, even with the scan it doesn't see the
> rocket we put on the other AF11, maybe it's the antenna being tuned to
> another frequency.  The Rocket does see another 5Ghz AP on that tower at
> -89 but not the one we put on the AF11.
> 
> Any ideas would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Forbes Mercy
> Washington Broadband, Inc.
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Re: [Ubnt_users] Aligning AF11

2017-09-01 Thread Robert Dillon 
I have never tested it but I don't believe a 5GHz radio will work on an 11GHz 
dish if thats what your doing to test.  If you have true wireless line of site 
you should have no problems getting a link with AF11s.  What dishes are you 
using?  I agree with Kurt, take the radios back to the bench and make sure they 
link up.  Did you double check your configuration:  master-slave, channel size, 
frequencies, TX-RX flipped on each side, security key, SSID, etc.  Any one of 
those could cause it to not link up.  Also make sure your diplexers are in 
correctly in each radio.  We had that once the manufacturer had the sticker on 
backwards and it would not link up right till we flipped it over.  ALso you can 
test in SISO mode on both sides to see if that helps.

-Original Message-
From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 11:30 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: [Ubnt_users] Aligning AF11

We're having some difficulty in aligning a 5.6 mile AirFiber 11 link, 
they won't associate.  We put on a couple of rockets when we couldn't 
get the 11's to see each other, even with the scan it doesn't see the 
rocket we put on the other AF11, maybe it's the antenna being tuned to 
another frequency.  The Rocket does see another 5Ghz AP on that tower at 
-89 but not the one we put on the AF11.

Any ideas would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Forbes Mercy
Washington Broadband, Inc.
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Re: [Ubnt_users] Aligning AF11

2017-09-01 Thread Kurt Fankhauser 
Is this LOS? Can you see the other site? What antenna re you using on the
AF11 radios? Did these link in the lab on bench? I had good success
aligning a AF24HD 10 mile link using a T-square put across the flat face of
antenna and visually looking down the square to the other site, if you wnat
to see how that method was done watch this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNoMVLOavLo

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 11:29 AM, Forbes Mercy 
wrote:

> We're having some difficulty in aligning a 5.6 mile AirFiber 11 link,
> they won't associate.  We put on a couple of rockets when we couldn't
> get the 11's to see each other, even with the scan it doesn't see the
> rocket we put on the other AF11, maybe it's the antenna being tuned to
> another frequency.  The Rocket does see another 5Ghz AP on that tower at
> -89 but not the one we put on the AF11.
>
> Any ideas would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Forbes Mercy
> Washington Broadband, Inc.
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