Re: [ubuntu-in] Unity and Debdelta on Ubuntu 11.04 i386

2011-05-16 Thread Manish Sinha
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Narendra Diwate
narendra.diw...@gmail.com wrote:
 When I installed Ubuntu 11.04 i386 on my desktop recently, the system
 launched with Ubuntu Classic rather than Unity interface saying my system
 does not support it. I have a Desktop with AMD Athlon 64bit X2 3600
 processor, 2GB RAM, and Nvidia GeForce 6100 graphics card and use a 15 CRT
 monitor.

 Is this config not OK for Unity? What is the minimum required hardware
 config? Any links where this can be found?

Try additional drivers under System. It will detect the necessary
driver for your card.
Those drivers are proprietary, just for your information.

Then after installing, restart your system and try to login as usual.
Unity should start.

In case you are not able to find Additional drivers. Start
jockey-gtk from command line.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Unity and Debdelta on Ubuntu 11.04 i386

2011-05-16 Thread Narendra Diwate
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Manish Sinha m...@manishsinha.net wrote:

 Try additional drivers under System. It will detect the necessary
 driver for your card.
 Those drivers are proprietary, just for your information.

 Then after installing, restart your system and try to login as usual.
 Unity should start.

 In case you are not able to find Additional drivers. Start
 jockey-gtk from command line.


That worked. However the display resolution was only 800*600 which doesn't
seem good.
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[ubuntu-in] Need Help to work with PHP in ubuntu11.04

2011-05-16 Thread rajendra prasad siva
HI All,

I'm a newbie to Linux environment. I don't know any shell scripting or
any Linux commands. I'm a PHP fresher.I use windows environment ( XAMPP ) in
my office. But I want to develop my Joomla websites in my UBUNTU 11.04 OS
too. Any Suggestions or links? Please help me.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Need Help to work with PHP in ubuntu11.04

2011-05-16 Thread ANKUR AGGARWAL
Install the LAMP server. Link on how you can setup a LAMP server in ubuntu
11.04
http://flossstuff.wordpress.com/2011/05/09/installing-lamp-server-in-ubuntu-11-04-natty-narwhal/


On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:58 PM, rajendra prasad siva
edpurp...@gmail.comwrote:

 HI All,

 I'm a newbie to Linux environment. I don't know any shell scripting or
 any Linux commands. I'm a PHP fresher.I use windows environment ( XAMPP ) in
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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Au sujet de recommender des suppressions de paquets (était Re: Utilisateur novice de 11.04 souhaite retrouver fonctionalités de base du bureau 10.10 (Gnome?))

2011-05-16 Thread Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre
2011/5/13 Eric Leduc ele...@leducdubleuet.biz:
[...]
 - C'est quoi la bonne manière pour désinstaller Unity si j'en veux pas du
 tout sur mon système ?

Je ne crois pas qu'il y en ait. Faut-il vraiment le désinstaller? Au
pire, c'est pas si grave, voir plus bas pour les détails complets.

 - Si je fais sudo apt-get purge mono-runtime mono-gac, est-ce aussi
 quelque chose à ne pas faire ?

Possiblement, tout dépend des dépendances de ces paquets. Comme dit
plus haut, faut-il vraiment les désinstaller? Les logiciels installés,
dans la plupart des cas, ne vont pas contribuer à ralentir
l'ordinateur comme c'est souvent le cas ailleurs. Leur impact se
limite surtout à l'utilisation d'espace disque, et autant dans le cas
de Unity que des paquets mono, ce n'est pas tant que ca.

Pour préciser pourquoi je recommande de ne pas désinstaller des
paquets comme ca, c'est surtout que s'ils proposent de désinstaller
ubuntu-desktop, vous n'aurez alors plus aussi facilement droit aux
améliorations de paquets, et aux installations/désinstallations
automatique lorsque des paquets ne sont plus supportés, remplacés par
d'autres, etc. 'ubuntu-desktop' sert à pousser les informations sur ce
qui constitue un bureau Ubuntu, avec toutes ses applications.
Autrement dit, les paquets qui ne sont plus nécessaires et devraient
se désinstaller resteront sur votre système, tout comme des nouvelles
applications par défaut pourraient ne pas être ajoutées.

Ca, c'est sans compter les autres problèmes relatifs à désinstaller
des paquets sans connaître leurs dépendances. Par exemple,
désinstaller evolution (ou plutot evolution-data-server), peut rendre
votre bureau Gnome classique pratiquement inutile.

Sur le même principe, désinstaller mono-runtime/etc. brisera banshee,
tomboy, et probablement d'autres applications qui s'en servent.

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[Ubuntu-QC] Plus lent avec Unity??

2011-05-16 Thread Dany Veilleux

Bonjour,
Depuis que j'ai installé la version 11.04, il me semble qu'Ubuntu est beaucoup 
plus lent. Parfois, il est sur l'économiseur d'écran, je bouge la souris et le 
disque dur se met à travailler et ca prend plusieurs secondes avant de ravoir 
le contrôle. Et si Banshee est ouvert, c'est encore pire.
Je ne me rappelle pas d'avoir eu ces lenteurs avec les version précédentes 
d'Ubuntu.
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[Ubuntu-QC] Données importantes à récupérer sur un disque NTFS « qui a perdu la tête »

2011-05-16 Thread frhuot
Bonjour,

Un ami désespérer vient de m'apporter un disque de 500 Go sur lequel il a
des données importantes, mais qu'il n'arrive plus à voir ni, forcément, à
récupérer.

De fait, Windows ne voit même plus ce disque, ce qui n'est pas le cas
d'Ubuntu avec lequel cependant, ensuite, ni Gparted ni l'utilitaire de
disque ne semblent capables de remettre celui-ci sur ses pattes.

Erreur d'entrée/sortie ou Étiquette de disque non reconnue, voilà des
messages que je reçois. Impossible à repartitionner non plus... ni à
formater (j'ai voulu faire cette opération pour utiliser ensuite un logiciel
de récupération de fichiers capable de récupérer des fichiers après un
formatage...)

Mais comment accéder au disque, qui est vu mais qui ne permet aucune
opération?

Vola pourquoi j'en appelle à des gens qui s'y connaissent beaucoup plus que
moi... 

Encore une fois, merci à l'avance...

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[Ubuntu-QC] Récupérer des données sur un DD NTFS « qui a perdu la tête »

2011-05-16 Thread frhuot
Bonjour, 

Un ami désespéré vient de m'apporter un disque de 500 Go sur lequel il a des
données importantes, mais qu'il n'arrive plus à voir ni, forcément, à
récupérer. 

De fait, Windows ne voit même plus ce disque, ce qui n'est pas le cas
d'Ubuntu avec lequel cependant, ensuite, ni Gparted ni l'utilitaire de
disque ne semblent capables de remettre celui-ci sur ses pattes. 

Erreur d'entrée/sortie ou Étiquette de disque non reconnue, voilà des
messages que je reçois. Impossible à repartitionner non plus... ni à
formater (j'ai voulu faire cette opération pour utiliser ensuite un logiciel
de récupération de fichiers capable de récupérer des fichiers après un
formatage...) 

Mais comment accéder au disque, qui est vu mais qui ne permet aucune
opération? 

Vola pourquoi j'en appelle à des gens qui s'y connaissent beaucoup plus que
moi... 

Encore une fois, merci à l'avance... 

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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Données importantes à récupérer sur un disque NTFS « qui a perdu la tête »

2011-05-16 Thread Marc Deslauriers
On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 12:50 -0700, frhuot wrote:
 Bonjour,
 
 Un ami désespérer vient de m'apporter un disque de 500 Go sur lequel il a
 des données importantes, mais qu'il n'arrive plus à voir ni, forcément, à
 récupérer.
 
 De fait, Windows ne voit même plus ce disque, ce qui n'est pas le cas
 d'Ubuntu avec lequel cependant, ensuite, ni Gparted ni l'utilitaire de
 disque ne semblent capables de remettre celui-ci sur ses pattes.
 
 Erreur d'entrée/sortie ou Étiquette de disque non reconnue, voilà des
 messages que je reçois. Impossible à repartitionner non plus... ni à
 formater (j'ai voulu faire cette opération pour utiliser ensuite un logiciel
 de récupération de fichiers capable de récupérer des fichiers après un
 formatage...)
 
 Mais comment accéder au disque, qui est vu mais qui ne permet aucune
 opération?
 
 Vola pourquoi j'en appelle à des gens qui s'y connaissent beaucoup plus que
 moi... 
 
 Encore une fois, merci à l'avance...

Si c'est des données qui sont importantes, et que l'ami est prêt à
payer, je crois que la meilleure solution consiste à l'envoyer à un
service de recouvrement, comme par exemple:
http://www.ontrackdatarecovery.ca/

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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Données importantes à récupérer sur un disque NTFS « qui a perdu la tête »

2011-05-16 Thread frhuot
Précision: je viens de relancer Ubuntu et le disque dur n'est même plus
visible  

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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Données importantes à récupérer sur un disque NTFS « qui a perdu la tête »

2011-05-16 Thread Pierre Couillard
Bonjour François,

J'ai eu un prblème semblable récemment. J'ai utilisé TestDisk (
http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_FR) multiplateforme et libre. Ça
fonctionne en ligne de commandes mais tu suis le tutoriel sur le site et ça
devrait fonctionner.

Perso, ça m'a permis de récupérer un DD de 250 Gigs.

Bonne chance!

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Le 16 mai 2011 16:50, frhuot frh...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Précision: je viens de relancer Ubuntu et le disque dur n'est même plus
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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Récupérer des données sur un DD NTFS « qui a perdu la tête »

2011-05-16 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
On 11-05-16 03:52 PM, frhuot wrote:
 Bonjour, 
 
 Un ami désespéré vient de m'apporter un disque de 500 Go sur lequel il a des
 données importantes, mais qu'il n'arrive plus à voir ni, forcément, à
 récupérer. 

Je suis du même avis que Marc, si les données sont vraiment importantes
fait appel à des experts :) Et surtout manipule le disque le moins
possible.

Normallement si on a accès au disque on fait une copie binaire  (dd) et
on travaille sur cette image, jamais sur le disque directement.

À Montréal plusieurs anciens collègues et amis ont utilisé les services
de Kenedacom avec succès, très bon service:
http://www.kenedacom.com/

A+

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[Ubuntu-QC] Intel GMA HD et GLX OpenGL

2011-05-16 Thread Lami René

Bonjour,

Je viens de recevoir en cadeau un portable MSI MS-1681 et la puce 
graphique serait une Intel GMA HD selon la fiche technique.


Je suis sous Kubuntu 11.04 64 bits et la commande lspci | grep VGA me 
retourne :


  00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor 
Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 12)


Le module des pilotes propriétaires ne me donne aucun pilote 
propriétaire à installer.


Je n'ai pas de GLX qui fonctionne. Avec X-Plane version 9.69 j'ai comme 
message d'erreur :


$ X-Plane-i686
Xlib:  extension GLX missing on display :0.
Whoah -- no matter how hard I tried, I failed to get a GLX visual. 
Something's seriously wonky on your machine.


Mais, j'ai les paquets suivants d'installé :

libgl1-mesa-dri
libgl1-mesa-glx
mesa-utils
xserver-xorg-video-all
xserver-xorg-video-chips
xserver-xorg-video-intel
libcoin40c2
libcoin60
libopenal0a
libopenal1

Est-ce qu'il me manque des paquets à installer ?

Le fichier xorg.conf contient :

-
Section Files
EndSection

Section Module
Loadglx
Loaddrm
LoadDRI
EndSection

Section ServerLayout
Identifier Layout0
Screen  0  Screen0 0 0
Option Xinerama 0
EndSection

Section Monitor
Identifier Monitor0
ModelName  LPL
HorizSync   30.0 - 75.0
VertRefresh 60.0
Option DPMS
EndSection

Section Device
Identifier Device0
Driver intel
VendorName intel
BoardName  Intel HD
Option AccelMethod uxa
EndSection

Section Screen
Identifier Screen0
Device Device0
MonitorMonitor0
DefaultDepth24
Option TwinView 0
SubSection Display
Depth   24
EndSubSection
EndSection
-

Est-ce qu'il y aurait une âme charitable pour nous aider ?

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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Récupérer des données sur un DD NTFS « qui a perdu la tête »

2011-05-16 Thread frhuot
Je vais transmettre l'avis de Fabian à l'intéressé. Merci.

François Huot 

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[Ubuntu-QC] Carte réseau sans fil USB

2011-05-16 Thread Rene Theriault
Bonjour,

Est-ce que quelqu'un aurait testé une carte réseau Wifi USB fonctionnelle
sous Ubuntu?  Je dois conseiller un ami à distance sur l'achat d'un tel
adapteur et j'aimerais être sur que le modèle que je lui ferai acheter
fonctionne en sortant de la boite sans manipulation compliquée de sa part.

Je regardait pour un modèle du genre Buffalo WLI-UC-GNM N-TECHNOLOGY
Wireless N150 Ultra Compact USB 2.0 Adapter 802.11G/B ou équivalent.

Merci beaucoup!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Wacom bamboo tablets...

2011-05-16 Thread Timothy Rittman

On Sun, 15 May 2011 13:57:06 +0100
 mac ammonius.grammati...@gmx.co.uk wrote:

On 15/05/2011 12:58, Timothy Rittman wrote:
This topic has come up from time to time on the list, so 
I'm asking for
a quick update! I am thinking of getting a wacom bamboo 
touch and pen to
work with kubuntu 10.10. Does anyone have any experience 
as to whether

it works and how well?


You can get the Wacom tablets working.  There are 
resources to help:


https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wacom

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=967147

and others.  And there are active developers, a leading 
one of which is


Favux (http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=60)

I haven't tried to install a Wacom tablet for a while. 
With the help of the resources I've indicated, I was 
able to get all the stylus and mouse functionality 
working up to 10.04


And I was able to get most of the button functions 
working (I understand this may have progressed by now. 
But new versions of Ubuntu, and kernel updates, have 
been known to break things.  Wacom tablets seem not to be 
a priority for the OS developers, not surprisingly I 
suppose.)


I was never able to get the multiple sets of button 
functions that the Wacom proprietary software provides. 
But the tablet was highly functional for use with, say, 
GIMP.


So I'd say read the resources above and give it a go.

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Thanks Mac, that's very encouraging. I'll give it a go and 
report back in a week or two.


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[ubuntu-uk] Empathy and 11.04

2011-05-16 Thread Jon Farmer
Hi

So since I have upgraded to 11.04 on my netbook I have found that
Empathy has lost it's scrollbar in the contacts list and is replaced
with a fiddly up and down control. The control only appears when you
hover over the right edge of the contacts window. This is very tricky
when using a touchpad. This has to be a massive design flaw. Anyway to
get my scrollbars back?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Empathy and 11.04

2011-05-16 Thread Alan Pope
On 16 May 2011 15:26, Jon Farmer j...@bctech.co.uk wrote:
 So since I have upgraded to 11.04 on my netbook I have found that
 Empathy has lost it's scrollbar in the contacts list and is replaced
 with a fiddly up and down control. The control only appears when you
 hover over the right edge of the contacts window.

This is by design.

http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/615 - Ayatana overlay
scrollbars: something truly Natty

 This is very tricky
 when using a touchpad.

It's supposed to be easier, if you don't try to click them but use the
scroll region on your touchpad, or if supported enable two finger
scrolling.

 This has to be a massive design flaw. Anyway to
 get my scrollbars back?


sudo apt-get remove overlay-scrollbar liboverlay-scrollbar-0.1-0

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Empathy and 11.04

2011-05-16 Thread gazz
I get this on most apps with 11.04 - very annoying. I can see the point
is that the up and down scroll arrows are now close together for people
who use the up and down arrows - but, as I normally just click on the
gutter next to where my pointer happens to be, I'm also finding it very,
very annoying. 

Sadly, it persists even when you switch to 'classic GNOME'. 

Bummer . . . 

Paula

On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 15:26 +0100, Jon Farmer wrote:

 Hi
 
 So since I have upgraded to 11.04 on my netbook I have found that
 Empathy has lost it's scrollbar in the contacts list and is replaced
 with a fiddly up and down control. The control only appears when you
 hover over the right edge of the contacts window. This is very tricky
 when using a touchpad. This has to be a massive design flaw. Anyway to
 get my scrollbars back?
 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Empathy and 11.04

2011-05-16 Thread Jon Farmer
On 16 May 2011 15:33, Alan Pope a...@popey.com wrote:

 It's supposed to be easier, if you don't try to click them but use the
 scroll region on your touchpad, or if supported enable two finger
 scrolling.


I am not even aware my touchpad has a scroll region.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Empathy and 11.04

2011-05-16 Thread Alan Pope
On 16 May 2011 15:44, Jon Farmer j...@bctech.co.uk wrote:
 I am not even aware my touchpad has a scroll region.


Which netbook is it?

Easiest way to try is move your finger forward and back along the
right hand edge when in a scrollable window.

Cheers,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Empathy and 11.04

2011-05-16 Thread Paul Sutton
On 16/05/11 15:44, Jon Farmer wrote:
 On 16 May 2011 15:33, Alan Pope a...@popey.com wrote:
 
 It's supposed to be easier, if you don't try to click them but use the
 scroll region on your touchpad, or if supported enable two finger
 scrolling.

 
 I am not even aware my touchpad has a scroll region.
 
 Regards
 
 Jon
 
Some touch pads do, i think the Packard bell laptops have this

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Empathy and 11.04

2011-05-16 Thread Jon Farmer
On 16 May 2011 15:48, Alan Pope a...@popey.com wrote:
 On 16 May 2011 15:44, Jon Farmer j...@bctech.co.uk wrote:

 Easiest way to try is move your finger forward and back along the
 right hand edge when in a scrollable window.

So apparently I do. Still a major PITA to use with Empathy though. A
total loss of fine control.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Empathy and 11.04

2011-05-16 Thread Matthew Daubney
On 16 May 2011 16:27, Jon Farmer j...@bctech.co.uk wrote:

 On 16 May 2011 15:48, Alan Pope a...@popey.com wrote:
  On 16 May 2011 15:44, Jon Farmer j...@bctech.co.uk wrote:

  Easiest way to try is move your finger forward and back along the
  right hand edge when in a scrollable window.

 So apparently I do. Still a major PITA to use with Empathy though. A
 total loss of fine control.

 Regards

 Jon

 I'd argue the point on the loss of fine control, you can still drag those
little arrows up and down to get to where you want in a document, rather
than just clicking on them to go up/down. The only thing that's a bit more
difficult is clicking to go direct to a point (feels like the gutter has a
smaller margin, but that may be wrong).

But then again, different people use things in different ways.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Empathy and 11.04

2011-05-16 Thread Jon Farmer
On 16 May 2011 16:45, Matthew Daubney m...@daubers.co.uk wrote:

 I'd argue the point on the loss of fine control, you can still drag those
 little arrows up and down to get to where you want in a document, rather
 than just clicking on them to go up/down. The only thing that's a bit more
 difficult is clicking to go direct to a point (feels like the gutter has a
 smaller margin, but that may be wrong).


I'd argue that is a lot harder to do with a touchpad than a mouse.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Empathy and 11.04

2011-05-16 Thread gazz


On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 16:45 +0100, Matthew Daubney wrote:

 
 
 
 On 16 May 2011 16:27, Jon Farmer j...@bctech.co.uk wrote:
 
 On 16 May 2011 15:48, Alan Pope a...@popey.com wrote:
  On 16 May 2011 15:44, Jon Farmer j...@bctech.co.uk wrote:
 
 
  Easiest way to try is move your finger forward and back
 along the
  right hand edge when in a scrollable window.
 
 
 
 So apparently I do. Still a major PITA to use with Empathy
 though. A
 total loss of fine control.
 
 
 Regards
 
 Jon
 
 
 I'd argue the point on the loss of fine control, you can still drag
 those little arrows up and down to get to where you want in a
 document, rather than just clicking on them to go up/down. The only
 thing that's a bit more difficult is clicking to go direct to a point
 (feels like the gutter has a smaller margin, but that may be wrong).
 
 But then again, different people use things in different ways.
 
 -Matt Daubney
 


Touchpad scrolling is a blunt instrument - for which reason I rarely use
it. I have two-finger scrolling on the wifi KB I use for media which is
much better, but don't have it on my laptop. I almost never use the
little arrows, I used to click on the gutter to advance page by page -
thank God Firefox still has the gutter! 

Also agree, people use these things in different ways and I can see
you'd like it if you mainly use the arrows - although I find the arrows
are less accurate than before. 

Choice is a wonderful thing but I don't see any way of exercising it re.
the vertical scrollbar in 11.04. I've ditched Unity interface, can't
cope with it - for something that's supposed to be easy to use, I
actually found I reverted almost entirely to keyboard shortcuts as the
Unity GUI is hopeless for navigating a desktop with multiple windows.
Also had to switch off the infuriating habit of full-screening windows
if you drag them to the side. If I drag a window to the side, it's cos I
want to see what's underneath! 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Empathy and 11.04

2011-05-16 Thread Matthew Daubney
On 16 May 2011 16:49, Jon Farmer j...@bctech.co.uk wrote:

 On 16 May 2011 16:45, Matthew Daubney m...@daubers.co.uk wrote:

  I'd argue the point on the loss of fine control, you can still drag those
  little arrows up and down to get to where you want in a document, rather
  than just clicking on them to go up/down. The only thing that's a bit
 more
  difficult is clicking to go direct to a point (feels like the gutter has
 a
  smaller margin, but that may be wrong).
 

 I'd argue that is a lot harder to do with a touchpad than a mouse.

 I think this is one of those things. 90% of my time I work with a touchpad
and haven't noticed a difference. However, I am not you :) I have noticed my
parents really struggle with a touchpad (to the point of using a mouse on
the arm of the sofa) so I'm happy to concede the point that to a given
subset of users, it may not be optimal. However, I have no idea what the
size of that subset is, or what the size of the userbase is. So can't really
say it's a good thing for the majority or It's a bad things for the
majority.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Empathy and 11.04

2011-05-16 Thread Alan Pope
On 16 May 2011 16:56, gazz pmg...@gmx.co.uk wrote:
 Touchpad scrolling is a blunt instrument - for which reason I rarely use it.

Depends on the hardware. On my laptop it's fantastic. Very fine
control indeed can be had with two finger scrolling. Much finer than a
mouse wheel which (in general) goes in jumps of a few lines at a time.

 Choice is a wonderful thing but I don't see any way of exercising it re. the
 vertical scrollbar in 11.04. I've ditched Unity interface, can't cope with
 it - for something that's supposed to be easy to use, I actually found I
 reverted almost entirely to keyboard shortcuts as the Unity GUI is hopeless
 for navigating a desktop with multiple windows. Also had to switch off the
 infuriating habit of full-screening windows if you drag them to the side. If
 I drag a window to the side, it's cos I want to see what's underneath!


Why move a window to see what's underneath? Why not just switch to the
window you actually want to see?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Empathy and 11.04

2011-05-16 Thread Liam Gallear
On 16 May 2011, at 17:47, Alan Pope a...@popey.com wrote:
 Depends on the hardware. On my laptop it's fantastic. Very fine
 control indeed can be had with two finger scrolling. Much finer than a
 mouse wheel which (in general) goes in jumps of a few lines at a time.

I'm almost certain that that is something that can be tailored so that you 
don't scroll several lines at a time with the mouse scroll wheel, and instead 
can have smooth scrolling.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Empathy and 11.04

2011-05-16 Thread J Fernyhough
On 16 May 2011 15:26, Jon Farmer j...@bctech.co.uk wrote:
 Anyway to get my scrollbars back?


Yes. Remove (or purge, depending on preference ;) overlay-scrollbar, e.g.

$ sudo apt-get remove overlay-scrollbar

Log out and in, all should be chunky.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Empathy and 11.04

2011-05-16 Thread Rob Beard

On 16/05/11 17:47, Alan Pope wrote:

On 16 May 2011 16:56, gazzpmg...@gmx.co.uk  wrote:

Touchpad scrolling is a blunt instrument - for which reason I rarely use it.


Depends on the hardware. On my laptop it's fantastic. Very fine
control indeed can be had with two finger scrolling. Much finer than a
mouse wheel which (in general) goes in jumps of a few lines at a time.


Choice is a wonderful thing but I don't see any way of exercising it re. the
vertical scrollbar in 11.04. I've ditched Unity interface, can't cope with
it - for something that's supposed to be easy to use, I actually found I
reverted almost entirely to keyboard shortcuts as the Unity GUI is hopeless
for navigating a desktop with multiple windows. Also had to switch off the
infuriating habit of full-screening windows if you drag them to the side. If
I drag a window to the side, it's cos I want to see what's underneath!



Why move a window to see what's underneath? Why not just switch to the
window you actually want to see?

Al.



Sometimes if you're referring to something it might be easier to have 
the window slightly underneath to the side maybe.  I do this on Windows 
at work, even with dual monitors (old habits die hard).  Is it possible 
to tile windows in Unity?  (I've not upgraded to Ubuntu 11.04, instead I 
moved over to Mint 10 about 5 months ago).


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Empathy and 11.04

2011-05-16 Thread gazz


On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 17:47 +0100, Alan Pope wrote:


 Why move a window to see what's underneath? Why not just switch to the
 window you actually want to see?
 
 Al.
 

Cuz I wanna see both of them - like click on a colour picker and still
be able to see what I'm trying to pick!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Empathy and 11.04

2011-05-16 Thread Colin Law
On 16 May 2011 17:47, Alan Pope a...@popey.com wrote:

 Why move a window to see what's underneath? Why not just switch to the
 window you actually want to see?

If I have the downloads window of firefox open, but behind another
firefox window, what is the most efficient way to get to see it (using
Unity rather than Tools, Downloads in FF)?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Empathy and 11.04

2011-05-16 Thread Rob Beard

On 16/05/11 18:23, Colin Law wrote:

On 16 May 2011 17:47, Alan Popea...@popey.com  wrote:


Why move a window to see what's underneath? Why not just switch to the
window you actually want to see?


If I have the downloads window of firefox open, but behind another
firefox window, what is the most efficient way to get to see it (using
Unity rather than Tools, Downloads in FF)?

Colin



You could try the shortcut, Control, Shift and Y.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] wifi dongle driver .....

2011-05-16 Thread Barry Drake
On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 10:08 +0100, Neil Greenwood wrote:
 Of course, you realise that you have now modified and compiled a portion
 of the Linux kernel? :-)
 You fixed an incompatible API (Application Programming Interface) change.

Wow - I did that?  Amazing.  Couldn't have managed it without help from
you guys though.  I've carefully documented the procedure and e-mailed
it to the supplier with a request that they pass on the information to
future purchasers of the dongle.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Empathy and 11.04

2011-05-16 Thread Josh Holland
On May 16, 2011 6:23 PM, Colin Law clan...@googlemail.com
 If I have the downloads window of firefox open, but behind another
 firefox window, what is the most efficient way to get to see it (using
 Unity rather than Tools, Downloads in FF)?

Install a download bar extension? The separate window always annoyed me...
On Chrome now anyway.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Empathy and 11.04

2011-05-16 Thread Colin Law
On 16 May 2011 18:39, Rob Beard r...@esdelle.co.uk wrote:
 On 16/05/11 18:23, Colin Law wrote:

 On 16 May 2011 17:47, Alan Popea...@popey.com  wrote:

 Why move a window to see what's underneath? Why not just switch to the
 window you actually want to see?

 If I have the downloads window of firefox open, but behind another
 firefox window, what is the most efficient way to get to see it (using
 Unity rather than Tools, Downloads in FF)?

 Colin


 You could try the shortcut, Control, Shift and Y.

This is a Unity question, not FF.  I am enquiring as to the best way
to switch between windows within one app using Unity.  This was with
respect to Alan's point that one could just select the other window
rather than sliding the front one aside.  With the classic interface
one could do this via the bottom panel (one click).  With Unity, to
switch between open apps one can click the button on the launcher but
I have not found a quick way to switch between multiple windows open
for one app.  Generally I like Unity, though it is essential I think
to learn the hot keys, but the multiple-windows-for-one-app problem is
one that I am having trouble with.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Empathy and 11.04

2011-05-16 Thread John Stevenson
On 16 May 2011 21:44, Colin Law clan...@googlemail.com wrote:


 This is a Unity question, not FF.  I am enquiring as to the best way
 to switch between windows within one app using Unity.  This was with
 respect to Alan's point that one could just select the other window
 rather than sliding the front one aside.  With the classic interface
 one could do this via the bottom panel (one click).  With Unity, to
 switch between open apps one can click the button on the launcher but
 I have not found a quick way to switch between multiple windows open
 for one app.  Generally I like Unity, though it is essential I think
 to learn the hot keys, but the multiple-windows-for-one-app problem is
 one that I am having trouble with.

 Colin


When on the same workspace as the application, left click on the application
icon in the Unity launcher will display thumbnails of all open windows

Cycle through all application windows on a workspace by middle mouse click
on the top panel - in the gap between the menu and the indicators

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Empathy and 11.04

2011-05-16 Thread Colin Law
On 16 May 2011 21:53, John Stevenson j...@jr0cket.com wrote:


 On 16 May 2011 21:44, Colin Law clan...@googlemail.com wrote:

 This is a Unity question, not FF.  I am enquiring as to the best way
 to switch between windows within one app using Unity.  This was with
 respect to Alan's point that one could just select the other window
 rather than sliding the front one aside.  With the classic interface
 one could do this via the bottom panel (one click).  With Unity, to
 switch between open apps one can click the button on the launcher but
 I have not found a quick way to switch between multiple windows open
 for one app.  Generally I like Unity, though it is essential I think
 to learn the hot keys, but the multiple-windows-for-one-app problem is
 one that I am having trouble with.

 Colin


 When on the same workspace as the application, left click on the application
 icon in the Unity launcher will display thumbnails of all open windows

Are you sure, using Unity 2D it is double click that does this.


 Cycle through all application windows on a workspace by middle mouse click
 on the top panel - in the gap between the menu and the indicators

That is useful, unfortunately not yet implemented in Unity 2d, but no
doubt it will come.

Again, though, neither is anything like as convenient as clicking the
app in the bottom panel.  Perhaps I just have to put up with this.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Empathy and 11.04

2011-05-16 Thread Colin Law
On 16 May 2011 21:51, Andy Braben andybra...@gmail.com wrote:


 On 16 May 2011 21:44, Colin Law clan...@googlemail.com wrote:

 This is a Unity question, not FF.  I am enquiring as to the best way
 to switch between windows within one app using Unity.  This was with
 respect to Alan's point that one could just select the other window
 rather than sliding the front one aside.  With the classic interface
 one could do this via the bottom panel (one click).  With Unity, to
 switch between open apps one can click the button on the launcher but
 I have not found a quick way to switch between multiple windows open
 for one app.  Generally I like Unity, though it is essential I think
 to learn the hot keys, but the multiple-windows-for-one-app problem is
 one that I am having trouble with.


 I generally use Alt+Tab. These days having a graphical view of the open
 windows on the dialog, it makes it very easy to know when to let go for the
 window that you want.

That does work certainly, but holding Alt down and hitting tab maybe
six or seven times (or even three or four) is a bit tedious compared
to the single click using the bottom panel.

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Trouble with Pidgin-skype plugin in Natty

2011-05-16 Thread Dave Hunt

Hi, all!

I recently upgraded to Natty and installed Skype, Pidgin, and the 
subject plugin, all from the official repositories.  I am able to make 
Skype calls and, sometimes, be heard.  When my recipient picks up, I 
also get a dialogue asking me to accept or reject, as if the call were 
in-coming.  When someone tries calling me, I get the ring and in-coming 
call dialogue.  When I choose accept, the call does not get answered.  
In an exchange of Skype text messages, I can see my messages in the 
conversation window, but not those from the other party.  Is there 
something I haven't set up right?  This arrangement works in all Ubuntu 
versions up to and including Maverick.  I cannot access Skype without 
this protocol plugin, since Orca screen reader does not work with QT4 
objects.



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Re: UI change question

2011-05-16 Thread Janne Jokitalo
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:33:58AM -0400, Mike Holstein wrote:
 how challenging would it be to take the current ubuntustudio-desktop
 metapackge and rename it to ubuntustudio-desktop-gnome, and just leave it in
 place as long as gnome2 is around.

I haven't looked into the package depends in a long while, but I don't see why
this would be a problem as long as those depends actually provide what we're
expecting. My guess though is that they will change, so then it would defeat the
purpose.

But it's worth looking into, I presume.


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Re: UI change question

2011-05-16 Thread Mike Holstein
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Janne Jokitalo astralj...@kapsi.fiwrote:

 On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:33:58AM -0400, Mike Holstein wrote:
  how challenging would it be to take the current ubuntustudio-desktop
  metapackge and rename it to ubuntustudio-desktop-gnome, and just leave it
 in
  place as long as gnome2 is around.

 I haven't looked into the package depends in a long while, but I don't see
 why
 this would be a problem as long as those depends actually provide what
 we're
 expecting. My guess though is that they will change, so then it would
 defeat the
 purpose.

 But it's worth looking into, I presume.

COOL... yeah, im hoping that the changes would just kinda 'settle' since
gnome2 should just be sitting there now, and not being changed, and the
applications themselves shouldnt care if they are on gnome2 or 3 or unity or
whatever. its gotta be simple and maintenance free, or something easy enough
for someone like me to maintain ( /me not a coder)...



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Re: PulseAudio and Ubuntu Studio 11.10

2011-05-16 Thread David Henningsson

On 2011-05-17 06:24, Scott Lavender wrote:



On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 3:27 PM, David Henningsson
david.hennings...@canonical.com
mailto:david.hennings...@canonical.com wrote:


Sources and sinks, yes. Well, they should show up in both PulseAudio
and JACK - since it is a connection between JACK and PulseAudio you
should be able to route it the way you want in both PulseAudio and JACK.



If you have both Natty and the DBus version of Jack2, it should show
up automatically. If you use Lucid, Maverick, or Natty with another
version of Jack, you'll need one or both of terminal command(s):


pacmd load-module module-jack-sink
pacmd load-module module-jack-source

...depending on whether you want to link playback, recording, or both.


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David,

Okay, did some testing tonight but had some trouble.

Since qjackctl has the wrapper script to suspend Pulse Audio I shied
away from it,


Hmm, is that script still present? AFAIK it was removed in Maverick, 
when PA and Jack implemented the device reservation protocol.



although I realize that I could have called the binary
directly and skipped the script.  However, I did it from the command line.


If I just run qjackctl from a terminal here, it does not suspend 
PulseAudio.



Firstly, I checked the jack version [1], which appears to be correct as
it is jack2 and in Natty.


For the automatic stuff you want to make sure that Setup - Misc - 
Enable D-Bus interface is checked as well.



My first test was to start playing an .ogg file with Totem and then try
to start jack from the command line.  The result was that jack found the
hardware locked...Ptui!  Ubuntu pastebin isn't working, sorry for the
wall of text:

scott@natty-studio:~$ jackd -dalsa -dhw:1 -r44100 -p512 -n3


...and start jackdbus instead of jackd here.


jackdmp 1.9.7
Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others.
Copyright 2004-2010 Grame.
jackdmp comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details
no message buffer overruns
no message buffer overruns
JACK server starting in realtime mode with priority 10
control device hw:1
control device hw:1
audio_reservation_init
Acquire audio card Audio1
creating alsa driver ... hw:1|hw:1|512|3|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit
control device hw:1
Using ALSA driver HDA-Intel running on card 1 - HDA Intel at 0xfe9fc000
irq 45
the playback device hw:1 is already in use. Please stop the
application using it and run JACK again
Cannot initialize driver
JackServer::Open() failed with -1
Failed to start server


Hmm, under this scenario, could you supply the output of sudo fuser -v 
/dev/snd/*? It sounds like totem does not use pulseaudio but goes to 
the sound card through some other path.




Now, I reversed the process and start jack from the command line and
then try to start Totem with the .ogg file:

scott@natty-studio:~$ jackd -dalsa -dhw:1 -r44100 -p512 -n3
jackdmp 1.9.7
Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others.
Copyright 2004-2010 Grame.
jackdmp comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details
no message buffer overruns
no message buffer overruns
JACK server starting in realtime mode with priority 10
control device hw:1
control device hw:1
audio_reservation_init
Acquire audio card Audio1
creating alsa driver ... hw:1|hw:1|512|3|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit
control device hw:1
Using ALSA driver HDA-Intel running on card 1 - HDA Intel at 0xfe9fc000
irq 45
configuring for 44100Hz, period = 512 frames (11.6 ms), buffer = 3 periods
ALSA: final selected sample format for capture: 32bit integer little-endian
ALSA: use 3 periods for capture
ALSA: final selected sample format for playback: 16bit little-endian
ALSA: use 3 periods for playback
^Cjack main caught signal 2
control device hw:1
Released audio card Audio1
audio_reservation_finish
control device hw:1

This started jack well but Totem refused to play the song.  When I ctl-c
to stop jack then Totem started up directly and began to play the song.


At this point I didn't try either 'pacmd' lines until I hear back from
you as it seems you expected this to work.  I realize, however, that
there is a real chance that I'm doing something wrong too :)


Could you also check
1)  the Connect window in qjackctl and see if there are PulseAudio 
sources and sinks there?
2) in the pavucontrol application, check that Totem is set to output 
to the Jack sink?


Maybe they just need to be connected manually?

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Re: Suggestions for Ubuntu 11.10

2011-05-16 Thread Jo-Erlend Schinstad
On 16 May 2011 10:27, Omal Mannapperuma omal.lasi...@gmail.com wrote:
 1) Ability to search within a folder, just by right clicking on the folder,
 and select search for files and folders

Why not open the folder and click search? That seems both more
intuitive and less complicated than having to right-click the folder
to get a menu from which you can choose to search.

 2) Make K3B as the default CD/DVD burning application, and if possible, add
 Blu-Ray burning as well into it. Still the application lacks with the
 feature to burn bootable CD/DVDs of any kind, so I would be most delighted
 to see that being integrated into it as well.
'
Why is K3B more user friendly than the one we currently have installed
by default, Brasero?

 3) Make available a single location to enter Proxy settings, and let that be
 spread throughout the system, without any interaction from the user any
 further.

What kind of proxies are you talking about here? Do you think it
should be a requirement that system updates are installed from the
same proxy server that you use when you IRC?

 4) Assign a drive letter to the partitions detected by Ubuntu, rather than
 120GB partition or anything like that.

That's fairly cute. Tell me; why is F:\ more user friendly than
/media/holliday_pictures? By the way; Ubuntu can never use colon
that way, so it would have to be something like /F;/. Have a look at
the web and could the number of drive letters you can find. They're
the same kind of addresses, if you weren't aware of it. I don't
understand why it's more user friendly to have different filepaths on
the web and on your computer.

 5) Add Samba by default to the distribution.

You can right click a file and choose to share it using Samba. Isn't
that good enough? Why?

 6) Add support for Acer Veriton series as well.

Isn't it supported? Why? File bugs.

 The reason is, most computer users are much familiar with Windows, and in
 Windows, they see a much clearer view of their data than in Linux. Because
 of drive letters, it is easier to remember where the data are located.

Seriously? Microsoft implemented the support to mount partitions in
directories years ago, in Windows XP, I believe. One of the reasons
why that's more user friendly, is that you can split a file hierarchy
into different disks and partitions. For instance, say you travel a
lot and you take lots of pictures and videos from your trips.
Sometimes, you use a memory card, othertimes a usb stick, while still
at other times, you use an external harddrive. Wouldn't it be nice if
they all appeared in /media/travel/ so that when you inserted your
memory card from your trip to Hungary in May this year, it would
appear as /media/travel/hungary-may-2011? In Windows, by default, the
location would depend on other hardware. If you had inserted a memory
card from your kids soccermatch, then instead of F:\, your mmc from
your trip to Hungary would receive G:\, or possibly H:\ if you had
also connected your phone. Please explain how that is more user
friendly?

 People are reluctant to use Ubuntu or any other Linux, because they have to
 learn the shell and al

Where did you get that impression? I take it you're talking about
entering commands in order to get things done? If a normal user
/needs/ do to that, then that is a bug. Can you give some examples? I
feel quite confident this is based on rumors and misconceptions, but
if you prove me wrong, then I'm sure lots of people will be happy to
help fix that problem. Having tested Ubuntu on new and experienced
users for years, I have to say it's been a number of years since last
I experienced such an issue.

I think it's time that things should change. The more user friendly
 Ubuntu can get close to Windows while retaining the stability, you guys will
 be stunned how many will download this magnificient OS on the launching day
 itself, if you put a counter for how many downloads during the launching day
 of a new distribution.

I agree it's time that things should change, but I do not share your
vision of the future. For instance, I don't think a user should have
to remember where files are located or what names they have. The brain
doesn't work that way. It's much easier to remember that your
girlfriend sent you a picture last friday at lunch, than it is to
remember C:\Users and Settings\jo-erlend\Documents\Shared with
me\Pictures\Irene\dyts20110520113540.jpeg. Don't you think? And what
if downloads from different applications have different download
folders? I would much rather focus on my girlfriend than protocols and
drive letters.

Or lets say you take the train to and from work every day. Since you
have a laptop and the train has an internet connection, you spend your
time traveling to and from work as productively as you can. Your
computer has a GPS installed. So after going to work one morning, you
simply tag that travel as office. From now on, you can just type to
office and you get a complete overview of everything you've done 

Re: systemd for 11.10 ?

2011-05-16 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Phillip Susi's message of Sun May 08 15:11:57 -0700 2011:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1
 
 On 05/06/2011 07:03 PM, Oliver Grawert wrote:
  hi,
  Am Samstag, den 30.04.2011, 18:24 +0200 schrieb Thomas Bechtold:
  Hi,
 
  i just want to know if there are any plans to replace upstart[1] with
  systemd[2] for 11.10?
 
 I have to say I was skeptical at first, but after reading that very good
 introduction it sounds great!
 
  http://undacuvabrutha.wordpress.com/2011/04/29/why-ubuntu-should-continue-with-upstart-for-11-10/
 
 Seriously?  It is too close to LTS?  It's over 11 months away!  I don't
 mean to jump on the unity haters bandwagon, but that was pressed in one
 dev cycle and was still in pretty bad shape just 2 months before
 release.  Surly if we can manage that, we can manage systemd in 11
 months?  Or at least make an attempt; you can always switch back if it
 is still looking bad at beta time.

Hi Phillip, I appreciate that it seems like a change similar to the switch
of default desktop environment, however, there's a massive difference.

Changing the UI meant a great deal of progress toward the project's stated
goals. Changing the pid 1 just means adding efficiency to something that
already works, and is starting to be well understood. Its Diesel versus
Gasoline. Each has their merits, but the overlap is 80% and the 20%
difference is, IMO, mostly corner cases and optimizations.

Change has a cost, and no matter how much of that cost we pay up front
in man power, we simply cannot get it done in time without taking on
technical debt, because some of the debt is the unknown bugs and corner
cases that a change brings. Since LTS also means incurring a greater
maintenance cost due to its extended life cycle, this ultimately means
LTS multiplies some of the technical debt. So, we should strive for
extremely low technical debt the closer we get to an LTS, so that we're
not paying it back as we fix bugs for the lifecycle of the project.

9.10 added some of that debt by putting in place upstart before it
was widely understood, and before it had been sufficiently utilized to
implement complex dependencies (see bug #525154 for an example). That
debt has since been paid in user frustration and painful debugging.
The investment, however, paid off in faster boot times, so the trade
off wasn't all bad.

We're getting close to paying most of that off now. To consider taking
on even more would have been a bid mad IMO. The things it adds *are*
interesting. However, IMO they are all optimizations and features to
help with corner cases we've already covered, or things that make the
parallelized, different style boot easier to swallow. Our users have
already swallowed event based boot, as bitter a pill as it was for some
of them. Lets thank them by providing them a smoother, more refined boot
experience for 11.10 and 12.04, then consider systemd once we're ready
for some hard core refactoring in 12.10.

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Re: Release note translations?

2011-05-16 Thread Maxim Ushakov
Hi!

I created bug-report because nobody can/want help us with our translations:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/783764

Link
http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes?os=ubuntuver=11.04lang={LANG}
always redirect to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/ReleaseNotes


2011/5/15 Dennis Baudys thecon...@arcor.de

 Hi Translators and Coordinator(s)!

 The German translation of the Natty release notes is complete and can be
 found here [1]. I just wanted to inform you about this – maybe some
 manual magic has to be done to include these (maybe in the updated
 installer files). Otherwise I assume they will be displayed
 automatically (hopefully) somehow.

 [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/ReleaseNotes/de

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Re: *Official Announcement:* Ubuntu Studio is switching to XFCE.

2011-05-16 Thread Ralf
On Sun, 2011-05-15 at 15:46 -0400, Michael Dickson wrote:
 On Sun, 2011-05-15 at 13:17 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote: 
  
  check out gnome3 here http://www.gnome3.org/tryit.html and see what
  you think. assuming gnome3 is an acceptable DE for ubuntustudio, it
  cannot be disputed that it is a drastic change from gnome2, and its
  arguable that XFCE is actually more like gnome2 than gnome3 is. i have
  been hanging out in the #gnome channel on freenode looking into what
  'compatibility mode' is in gnome3, and how to get it running, and if
  it is indeed the same as gnome3, and if it is going to be part of
  gnome3 in the long term. to quote from the IRC channel 'gnome2 is
  dead'. that being said, feel free to actually go and check out gnome3
  for yourself, and report on its functionality. thanks
 
 I have actually run Gnome3.  And like others I struggled with it a bit
 initially. But after using it for a little while I found it very nice.
 It is a big change however, no disputing that.
 
 I'll weigh in with this opinion.  I believe Ubuntu Studio should track
 the default Ubuntu desktop for the release track its on.  In the time
 frame being discussed that would actually mean Unity as I understand it.
 Unity has its own issues and represents a big change.  But it will be
 the default for the platform and therefore likely have the largest user
 base for the DE environments supported.  And that user based insures
 testing and stability for US. 
 
 Now if someone isn't comfortable with that approach an alternative that
 should be available is installing the Ubuntu flavor you prefer (like
 XUbuntu for instance) and retrofitting packages from Studio on top of
 it.  So no reason I cant run studio bits under XFCE.  But the default
 should be the default for the distribution.  
 
 That's my take and the argument for it.
 
 Mike

The averaged Ubuntu user isn't a home recording or professional studio
user. A long time ago I used KDE3 (on Suse and Debian). When they
stopped KDE3 and switched to KDE4, I switched to GNOME. KDE4 has a lot
of advantages, but the workflow changed and it became less good for the
way I'm using the desktop environment, especially when making music.

If it's similar for the change from GNOME2 to GNOME3, it would be nice
to get an already set up substitution.

Installing Ubuntu Studio from the Ubuntu Studio media caused issues
here, installing Edubunt + Ubuntu Studio packages result in a good DAW.
So for me the only problem might be, that installing the Ubuntu Studio
packages might force me to keep XFCE too, even if I shouldn't use it,
but yes, it's no big deal to have several WMs/DEs installed and to chose
one, when logging in. XFCE shouldn't become a dependency for all Ubuntu
Studio meta packages.

Regarding to computer resources, the best environment I ever used, was a
frame based environment. Ion2. But short-cuts aren't good when you've
got one hand on the guitar, the other on the mixing console and you need
to start the recording with your nose.

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Re: *Official Announcement:* Ubuntu Studio is switching to XFCE.

2011-05-16 Thread Ralf
On Sun, 2011-05-15 at 19:41 +0200, Robert Klaar wrote:
 

 If there is one thing I've learned in these years using linux is to go
 with the mainstream and use what people use most, not doing so might
 land you in a position where something as basic, for a musician, as
 getting your soundcard to work seem hopeless due to lack of support.

Full ACK, but making music using Linux is done ...

 I think US would be wise to stay as close as possible to it, and even
 though switching DE's is not really that drastic, changing something
 like this might make it a lot more harder for an artist or a producer
 etc., with little computer experience, solving problems as the
 solution found in the forums might not be enough. Now, this is not a
 problem for most people who use linux since you get used to these
 things after a while switching distro's aso. and in general you get
 better at it but not everyone does this, especially not your typical
 artist type, that's why many musicians prefer mac's.

... by a marginal group.

PRO FOOLS and other stuff is used because humans are gregarious animals.
The trendies wish to be cooler, than ordinary Microsoft users. An Apple
computer is a status symbol and often not the best choice for a
recording studio.

We can't stay close !!! to the averaged desktop user community, if we
need real real-time. It begins with default settings for the DE, e.g.
sound for the desktop. When I'm using the computer for office work etc.
I don't need audio, but the averaged user wish to have audio. If I use
it to make music, I won't here any voice from the trash can that is
double as loud as my recordings are.

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Re: *Official Announcement:* Ubuntu Studio is switching to XFCE.

2011-05-16 Thread Thomas Orgis
Am Sun, 15 May 2011 15:46:50 -0400
schrieb Michael Dickson mike.dick...@rivendellnh.com: 

 I believe Ubuntu Studio should track
 the default Ubuntu desktop for the release track its on.

I have thoughts in the same direction, but regarding change from default, I 
got a perhaps more narrow view, even. A user I support has a normal laptop with 
ubuntu (10.10) and a separate machine with Studio. I actually installed from 
the US medium and thus got the different UI configuration, compared to stock 
ubuntu: Different optics and different menus (like, the missing Applications 
and System direct-access menus in the panel).

That wouldn't fly at all. So I configured the US install to look just like a 
default desktop (which took some time since you have to search through forum 
posts to find anything). The user doesn't want disruption of the known 
workflow. Not again, after getting accustomed to Linux / ubuntu at all.

So, the current / last ubuntu Studio deviations from the normal Gnome 2 install 
were too much already. I see the question of switching the desktop you get when 
installing Studio directly as not that relevant to me: I'll install people the 
vanilla ubuntu and then add Studio packages on top, keeping the known 
interface. And to be honest, that's the two faces of ubuntu Studio I see:

1. Exactly the same desktop as vanilla, just with added functionality (realtime 
settings, etc.).
2. Something different.

The second category includes the old setup with a changed Gnome 2 
configuration, as well as a possible XFCE setup in the future: It's different 
from vanilla. That's enough for my users not to use it. It doesn't matter for 
normal users how different it is. Perhaps more different is better to quickly 
realize that one has to adapt expectations.

Pro people who are more dedicated to studio work, who wire up lots of JACK 
clients and have many desktops filled with those synth / sampler controls, can 
benefit from a specialized ubuntu Studio desktop. People who just want to 
record a bit with some provided Ardour templates will use the environment they 
have on other installs -- otherwise they get confused and annoyed.

Just go ahead and change ubuntu Studio desktop to what you think is best -- as 
long as one can just upgrade a vanilla install with the audio recording 
packages.


Alrighty then,

Thomas.

PS: Of course it's a separate question how those users will survive the switch 
to unity ... well, for 11.04, it will be classic desktop for sure!


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Re: *Official Announcement:* Ubuntu Studio is switching to XFCE.

2011-05-16 Thread Ralf
On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 17:12 +0200, Ralf wrote:
 On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 10:24 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote:
 
  Ralph, im going to assume a question here. that question would be...
  will the ubuntustudio metapackages *require* XFCE?
  theres one metapackage right now called ubuntustudio-desktop. that
  would be the one that would pull XFCE in, and switch DE's. theres no
  reason why the others should do that, or need to do that, and thats a
  very valid point that i will keep in mind as we move forward. this
  question you posed also gave me a great idea. maybe we can just take
  the current ubuntustudio-desktop (with gnome2), leave it as-is (so
  there is no maintenance) rename it ubuntustudio-desktop-gnome, and
  leave that in place as long as gnome2 is around. in that way, a user
  could install the current ubuntu vanilla, and get switched to the good
  'ol gnome current setup that we all know and love by running sudo
  apt-get install ubuntustudio-destkop-gnome. this package could be
  around as long as ubuntu has gnome2 in the repo. i will ask how
  challenging that could be to implement that, unless you would like to
  take that on Ralph? it would be great if you could help us
  constructively resolve some of these issues users are having with this
  UI switch.
 
 A good idea to provide 2 different desktop meta packages, if somebody
 has the time and knowledge to maintain the GNOME package.
 
 I might have some time to contribute some work, but I guess not the
 knowledge to help here. Resp. how could I (and perhaps other people)
 contribute something regarding to the DE issue?
 
 Ralf

PS: Pardon? No maintenance? What's the difference between a Ubuntu
vanilla GNOME and the GNOME by the Ubuntu Studio package?



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Re: Re: *Official Announcement:* Ubuntu Studio is switching to XFCE.

2011-05-16 Thread ScottALavender

On , Ralf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:

On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 17:12 +0200, Ralf wrote:



 On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 10:24 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote:







  Ralph, im going to assume a question here. that question would be...



  will the ubuntustudio metapackages *require* XFCE?



  theres one metapackage right now called ubuntustudio-desktop. that



  would be the one that would pull XFCE in, and switch DE's. theres no



  reason why the others should do that, or need to do that, and thats a



  very valid point that i will keep in mind as we move forward. this



  question you posed also gave me a great idea. maybe we can just take



  the current ubuntustudio-desktop (with gnome2), leave it as-is (so



  there is no maintenance) rename it ubuntustudio-desktop-gnome, and



  leave that in place as long as gnome2 is around. in that way, a user



  could install the current ubuntu vanilla, and get switched to the good



  'ol gnome current setup that we all know and love by running sudo



  apt-get install ubuntustudio-destkop-gnome. this package could be



  around as long as ubuntu has gnome2 in the repo. i will ask how



  challenging that could be to implement that, unless you would like to



  take that on Ralph? it would be great if you could help us



  constructively resolve some of these issues users are having with this



  UI switch.







 A good idea to provide 2 different desktop meta packages, if somebody



 has the time and knowledge to maintain the GNOME package.







 I might have some time to contribute some work, but I guess not the



 knowledge to help here. Resp. how could I (and perhaps other people)



 contribute something regarding to the DE issue?







 Ralf





PS: Pardon? No maintenance? What's the difference between a Ubuntu



vanilla GNOME and the GNOME by the Ubuntu Studio package?









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Hi Ralf!

This may be one of those huge misconceptions that the Ubuntu Studio team is  
vast and robust. Alas, neither presumptions are correct sadly.


The Ubuntu Studio team does not maintain any GNOME packages. We maintain a  
ubuntustudio- package that uses gconf settings to change GNOME settings.


I hope this helps.

Cheers,
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Re: Ubuntu-Studio-users Digest, Vol 49, Issue 28

2011-05-16 Thread Todd Howe
I think another viable alternative is the gnome metatracker project

http://projects.gnome.org/tracker/

'tracker' is in the repositories as well as Tracker Search Tool. I
believe I had to edit a config file somewhere to get total Nautilus
integration, search on Ubuntu Forums, there's lots about it there. I've
been using it to tag stuff from the command line

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On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 15:19 +,
ubuntu-studio-users-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com wrote:

 Message: 1
 Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 08:32:31 -0500
 From: Erik Rasmussen mailfore...@gmail.com
 To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion
   ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com
 Subject: Re: SFX library - Search
 Message-ID: BANLkTi=dhqazb7dfxoyw3hq83waqq57...@mail.gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
 
 Hopefully someone has a better solution than this, but I wonder if the
 Google Desktop Search for Linux would search that metadata on your hard
 drive for you?   http://desktop.google.com/linux/
 
 Not familiar with Sound Miner, but once in a while I'll use
 www.FindSounds.com
 
 *
 *
 On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 05:16, jONE producjo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi everyone,
 
  I've got a big SFX library which grows every day. The main trouble is that
  just searching for files in Nautilus only brings them up by name.
  Does anyone know of a searching method that can include metadata, xml and
  not just file names?
 
  Or even better an open source alternative to Sound Miner? I could use Pro
  Tools for this, but most of my sound design is done on my linux box!
 
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Re: *Official Announcement:* Ubuntu Studio is switching to XFCE.

2011-05-16 Thread Anthony Hall
I don't know if this helps but I first tried xfce at Mint 5. To be honest,
the only difference I really noticed was that it was faster than gnome.
Otherwise - apart from the xfce logo, there seemed little or no discernable
difference. I had an old machine back then and so my only thought is that if
xfce is faster on an old machine, how much faster on a new one?

I say try it. Whats to lose? If the community try and like, it stays, if
they try and don't like then the developers have a choice.

Look at main stream ubuntu with this ghastly unity desktop. I will put money
that ubuntu 11.10 reverts to gnome. This idea of xfce as the DE for studio
works for me because Ive used xfce before. So based on experience this is a
welcome change for me. People generally do not like change but sometimes,
just as in biological evolution, Linux must adapt to ever changing market
environments in order to keep up and survive. Xfce could be a great idea but
unless one tries it and has first hand experience, I struggle to see any
comment as constructive. There are xfce editions of various distros out
there, it costs one disc to run an OS (without installing) and to see first
hand how good xfce is. Remembering of course that it wont be as fast from
the disk.

Try it, then post?

Anthony Hall.

On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Scott Lavender scottalaven...@gmail.comwrote:

 I apologize for singling out this post, but...

 On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 3:37 AM, aYo Binitie ayobini...@gmail.com wrote:

 XFCE - I have no idea about but it was super we would not be all having
 these rants.



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 I think this is a very, very poor argument.  But iyou are not alone
 however.

 I haven't read any rants in this thread (well, maybe one) but I have seen a
 lot of ignorant whinging.

 There has been a vocal minority that asked, Why change from GNOME 2? or
 some other variant of that statement.  But it appears that these people
 neither understand why we made a decision nor have any understanding of XFCE
 and how similar it is to GNOME 2.

 So, the rants are ignorant protestations about change.  This has no
 reflection on XFCE.

 I challenge you (not just you aYo, but everyone) who thinks XFCE isn't
 super or good or isn't GNOME 2 to actually try it.  Try it for a week.  A
 day, even.


 If someone can use XFCE and then provide a good fact based argument for not
 using XFCE *OR* can provide a viable alternative we would very much like to
 hear them.  I mean that sincerely.

 What I don't like, appreciate, or find useful is ignorant whinging without
 providing any reasons, facts, or alternatives.

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Re: *Official Announcement:* Ubuntu Studio is switching to XFCE.

2011-05-16 Thread aYo Binitie
Hi Scott,
Your opinions are noted and they are valid. I never claimed that XFCE was no
good - just that I had never used it and there were probably good reasons
why it was second best to Gnome2. Having said that considering the fact that
going forward there is a need for a new desktop to be adopted - I acquiese
to the fact that you - the UbuntuStudio team have done your due-diligence
and have found this the sensible and viable option. I will take you up on
your suggestion and try Xubuntu to see for myself the possibilities therein.
I have converted the entire Flash development (and IT ) team in my Agency to
the Ubuntuside thus my interest in this is tremendous.
aYo

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 I apologize for singling out this post, but...

 On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 3:37 AM, aYo Binitie ayobini...@gmail.com wrote:

 XFCE - I have no idea about but it was super we would not be all having
 these rants.



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 I think this is a very, very poor argument.  But iyou are not alone
 however.

 I haven't read any rants in this thread (well, maybe one) but I have seen a
 lot of ignorant whinging.

 There has been a vocal minority that asked, Why change from GNOME 2? or
 some other variant of that statement.  But it appears that these people
 neither understand why we made a decision nor have any understanding of XFCE
 and how similar it is to GNOME 2.

 So, the rants are ignorant protestations about change.  This has no
 reflection on XFCE.

 I challenge you (not just you aYo, but everyone) who thinks XFCE isn't
 super or good or isn't GNOME 2 to actually try it.  Try it for a week.  A
 day, even.


 If someone can use XFCE and then provide a good fact based argument for not
 using XFCE *OR* can provide a viable alternative we would very much like to
 hear them.  I mean that sincerely.

 What I don't like, appreciate, or find useful is ignorant whinging without
 providing any reasons, facts, or alternatives.

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Re: *Official Announcement:* Ubuntu Studio is switching to XFCE.

2011-05-16 Thread Michael Dickson
For those who hd wanted to try compatibility mode in Gnome3.  It's in:

System Settings-System Info-Graphics

When its enabled you have what should be a pretty standard Gnome
experience minus some of the tweakable options.  

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Re: *Official Announcement:* Ubuntu Studio is switching to XFCE.

2011-05-16 Thread Mike Holstein
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Ralf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:


 A good idea to provide 2 different desktop meta packages, if somebody
 has the time and knowledge to maintain the GNOME package.

 I might have some time to contribute some work, but I guess not the
 knowledge to help here. Resp. how could I (and perhaps other people)
 contribute something regarding to the DE issue?


 Ralf

 thanks for the interest Ralph. the team could use your help. we have
testing/planning always on going that any not-technical user could help with
(i am that kind of user with no coding skills). i can only speak for my
process for brainstorming the continued gnome2 support idea. i went to the
IRC, pinged team lead Scott Lavendar (ScottL) and actually havent had a
chance to talk to him about it yet. then, i sent an email to the
ubuntustudio-devel list asking briefly 'is this even possible' and i had a
chat on the IRC with user 'ailo' about it. moving forward from there will
depend on what ScottL says when we catch up later today. its really up to
you how you want to get involved in these changes. if you would like to
schedule some time on the IRC, i can make a 30 minute window available for
you and i to hang and communicate in the -devel channel. i really appreciate
this attitude. we, as a community (especially the ubuntustudio community)
need to adopt an attitude 'if its broke, fix it'. there are simple things
that you and i as non-technical users can do such as documentation, wiki
updating, advocacy and meeting planning. let me know when you would like to
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Re: *Official Announcement:* Ubuntu Studio is switching to XFCE.

2011-05-16 Thread Hartmut Noack

Am 16.05.2011 08:43, schrieb aYo Binitie:

Hi Scott,
Your opinions are noted and they are valid. I never claimed that XFCE was no
good - just that I had never used it and there were probably good reasons
why it was second best to Gnome2.


I assure you and everyone who has reservations towards XFCE: it is quite 
the same as Gnome2 and can be configured to mimic it near to 99%. It 
even offers some features, Gnome has dropped like switching Desktops 
with the mouse wheel on any place on the desktop and some more options 
for configuration.
I use Gnome in Ubuntu and XFCE on Fedora on a dayly basis and I hardly 
notice the differnces (there are some inconveniences in Gnome, I can 
feel 1-2 times per day...)


Plus: Gnome2, XFCE, KDE have more or less the same basic features that 
are the ones the user is confronted frequently. All these full-featured 
desktops can be configured to mimic each other in a way that no user 
without a lot of experience will notice the differences.


All of them can have a hierarchical menu in the upper left corner, 
desktop icons, panels, a pager and a tray. And they suppport each others 
panel-applets or have similar applets as their siblings.


I really think, that nobody, who has used Gnome2 the way a typical 
normal user uses a desktop will be apalled by XFCE.



best regs

HZN


Having said that considering the fact that
going forward there is a need for a new desktop to be adopted - I acquiese
to the fact that you - the UbuntuStudio team have done your due-diligence
and have found this the sensible and viable option. I will take you up on
your suggestion and try Xubuntu to see for myself the possibilities therein.
I have converted the entire Flash development (and IT ) team in my Agency to
the Ubuntuside thus my interest in this is tremendous.
aYo

On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Scott Lavenderscottalaven...@gmail.comwrote:


I apologize for singling out this post, but...

On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 3:37 AM, aYo Binitieayobini...@gmail.com  wrote:


XFCE - I have no idea about but it was super we would not be all having
these rants.






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I think this is a very, very poor argument.  But iyou are not alone
however.

I haven't read any rants in this thread (well, maybe one) but I have seen a
lot of ignorant whinging.

There has been a vocal minority that asked, Why change from GNOME 2? or
some other variant of that statement.  But it appears that these people
neither understand why we made a decision nor have any understanding of XFCE
and how similar it is to GNOME 2.

So, the rants are ignorant protestations about change.  This has no
reflection on XFCE.

I challenge you (not just you aYo, but everyone) who thinks XFCE isn't
super or good or isn't GNOME 2 to actually try it.  Try it for a week.  A
day, even.


If someone can use XFCE and then provide a good fact based argument for not
using XFCE *OR* can provide a viable alternative we would very much like to
hear them.  I mean that sincerely.

What I don't like, appreciate, or find useful is ignorant whinging without
providing any reasons, facts, or alternatives.

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RE: Xfce

2011-05-16 Thread Karl Giesing

My two cents:

I haven't looked at Xfce in a long while, so I thought it was getting long in 
the tooth. I did a little research, and it's apparently not true at all. In 
fact, a new (and VERY updated) version just came out in January.


While I haven't actually tried it yet, it seems very easy to use. It certainly 
seems more intuitive than Gnome3 for those users switching from Mac or Win, if 
that's a priority.

I also like it because it is lighter on system resources than its competitors, 
and that's pretty vital for an A/V distro.

If we made the switch, would this mean that UbuStu would have its parent 
distro be Xubuntu, rather than Ubuntu? Or is it that ubuntustudio-desktop would 
assume vanilla Ubuntu, and make the switch when you install it (e.g. 
downloading Xfce and dependencies at that point)? I'm not a distributor by any 
stretch of the imagination, so I don't know how that would work.

Also - though I don't know of any offhand, are there any apps that require 
Gnome to work? Probably not audio, but I could possibly see some issues with 
video editing apps.

In any case - if it is possible to still have the old Gnome2 
ubuntustudio-desktop package in the repos, even without any changes or support, 
then I would suggest this be done. At least in the interim, until everything 
gets sorted. Obviously that's additional work, so it's understandable if it's 
not a high priority.

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Re: *Official Announcement:* Ubuntu Studio is switching to XFCE.

2011-05-16 Thread Robert Klaar
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Hartmut Noack zettber...@linuxuse.dewrote:

 Am 16.05.2011 08:43, schrieb aYo Binitie:

  Hi Scott,
 Your opinions are noted and they are valid. I never claimed that XFCE was
 no
 good - just that I had never used it and there were probably good reasons
 why it was second best to Gnome2.


 I assure you and everyone who has reservations towards XFCE: it is quite
 the same as Gnome2 and can be configured to mimic it near to 99%. It even
 offers some features, Gnome has dropped like switching Desktops with the
 mouse wheel on any place on the desktop and some more options for
 configuration.
 I use Gnome in Ubuntu and XFCE on Fedora on a dayly basis and I hardly
 notice the differnces (there are some inconveniences in Gnome, I can feel
 1-2 times per day...)

 Plus: Gnome2, XFCE, KDE have more or less the same basic features that are
 the ones the user is confronted frequently. All these full-featured desktops
 can be configured to mimic each other in a way that no user without a lot of
 experience will notice the differences.

 All of them can have a hierarchical menu in the upper left corner, desktop
 icons, panels, a pager and a tray. And they suppport each others
 panel-applets or have similar applets as their siblings.

 I really think, that nobody, who has used Gnome2 the way a typical normal
 user uses a desktop will be apalled by XFCE.


 best regs

 HZN


  Having said that considering the fact that
 going forward there is a need for a new desktop to be adopted - I acquiese
 to the fact that you - the UbuntuStudio team have done your due-diligence
 and have found this the sensible and viable option. I will take you up on
 your suggestion and try Xubuntu to see for myself the possibilities
 therein.
 I have converted the entire Flash development (and IT ) team in my Agency
 to
 the Ubuntuside thus my interest in this is tremendous.
 aYo

 On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Scott Lavenderscottalaven...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  I apologize for singling out this post, but...

 On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 3:37 AM, aYo Binitieayobini...@gmail.com
  wrote:

  XFCE - I have no idea about but it was super we would not be all having
 these rants.




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  I think this is a very, very poor argument.  But iyou are not alone
 however.

 I haven't read any rants in this thread (well, maybe one) but I have seen
 a
 lot of ignorant whinging.

 There has been a vocal minority that asked, Why change from GNOME 2? or
 some other variant of that statement.  But it appears that these people
 neither understand why we made a decision nor have any understanding of
 XFCE
 and how similar it is to GNOME 2.

 So, the rants are ignorant protestations about change.  This has no
 reflection on XFCE.

 I challenge you (not just you aYo, but everyone) who thinks XFCE isn't
 super or good or isn't GNOME 2 to actually try it.  Try it for a week.
  A
 day, even.


 If someone can use XFCE and then provide a good fact based argument for
 not
 using XFCE *OR* can provide a viable alternative we would very much like
 to
 hear them.  I mean that sincerely.

 What I don't like, appreciate, or find useful is ignorant whinging
 without
 providing any reasons, facts, or alternatives.

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Now, why is this a good thing? All this talk about switching DE for
stability on the one hand but it's really about reverting to old stuff,
isn't it?, and how long can the community keep this up?, tested out Gnome 3
last night a bit and I found it rather nice, I really can't see what all the
fuss is about. I've always thought about linux as among the leading in
osdevelopment, and especially US(the switch to an rt-kernel made a huge
difference in performance on my stationary) and I think the community should
embrace the future instead of trying to maintain things that probably has
been dropped for a reason.

Also, as someone said earlier, if it hasn't been done it may not be a bad
thing talking a bit about to whom US is supposed to be for either, I have
nothing to back this up but in my own experience, and I don't think I'm the
only one to see this, I think Ubuntu is getting more OSX like and maybe that
should be embraced as well. Many artists/producers DO use mac's and wouldn't
this open up for a larger group of potential users?
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Re: *Official Announcement:* Ubuntu Studio is switching to XFCE.

2011-05-16 Thread Robert Klaar
On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Mike Holstein mikeh...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Robert Klaar nim.b...@gmail.com wrote:

 I agree with this, the only argument I've heard so far is that it's
 different and sure, installed 11.04(with unity) to my laptop I use for
 backup a few days ago and it is different but nothing that you won't get
 used to, in some ways I like it even better, for one it's layout seems a bit
 more simplistic than I find standard gnome-based systems to be. Even
 though this might change workflow for some, the cons of switching to a
 fairly less supported DE in return for this, are probably worse. If there is
 one thing I've learned in these years using linux is to go with the
 mainstream and use what people use most, not doing so might land you in a
 position where something as basic, for a musician, as getting your soundcard
 to work seem hopeless due to lack of support. The main strength in Ubuntu,
 especially, has always been the vast number of people who use it, this is
 also my main reason for using US, because it's basically Ubuntu, with a lot
 of useful stuff added to it, forking of now might cut you out of the circle
 in the future. Even though XFCE is fairly similar to gnome, when gnome
 changes and Ubuntu with it so will the knowledge built up by it's vast
 community and I think US would be wise to stay as close as possible to it,
 and even though switching DE's is not really that drastic, changing
 something like this might make it a lot more harder for an artist or a
 producer etc., with little computer experience, solving problems as the
 solution found in the forums might not be enough. Now, this is not a problem
 for most people who use linux since you get used to these things after a
 while switching distro's aso. and in general you get better at it but not
 everyone does this, especially not your typical artist type, that's why many
 musicians prefer mac's.

 And that's what most people are like, I think it's a bad idea to limit US
 only to people with experience in linux and even though switching DE's might
 not do this now, it sets a path towards it.


 robert, i for one really appreciate your well thought out statements. you
 have some very valid points. one of which i would like to bring up for
 debate here. do you feel like moving from gnome2 to gnome3 is a more drastic
 change than moving from gnome2 to XFCE?

that was one of the selling points of this move. even though we will be
 moving from the mainstream ubuntu workflow, we feil like this move to XFCE
 would actually be *less* disruptive than moving to unity or gnome3 (from
 gnome2). another selling point was also that we feel XFCE is very well
 supported, and well developed. the hardware support will always be the same
 as buntu though. a kernel update will be more likely to break functionality
 than the UI change. however, i dont feel like we should *not* upgrade the
 kernel. i think most linux users expect possible changes in support when
 going to a newer kernel version. ...


Well, either way you risk loosing supporters but in my opinion it's much
worse to risk being outdated than getting a bit of disruption for some
time(and I can't see how this can get so disruptive to a serious
producer/artist that it get's such a big problem, but this is just my
opinion).


 ...this debate really comes down to the basic question, 'what is
 ubuntustudio doing?'. whos is it for. are we attracting new users? studio
 engineers? video professionals?. this is something we are constantly trying
 to be more clear about. right now, a move to XFCE has the intention of being
 the least disruptive change, while maintaining a similar workflow, and also
 pooling our resources with the xubuntu team. adopting early hopefully means
 that by the next LTS (12.04), things will be nice and solid and working
 well. if we are to target current ubuntu users, then unity would be the way
 to go. if we are to target OSX users or audio professionals, then the
 current plan to use XFCE with the AWN dock actually might be the best idea.
 XFCE+AWN has a very OSX look and feel (much more so that the current
 ubuntutsudio) which i think is arguably a good improvement, and easily
 facilitates some nice 'workflow' ideas that scott lavender has proposed.
 what do you think would be a target audience? and how to best implement a DE
 for them?


Well, either way the system seems to go towards a more OSX like feeling,
however I can't help but like the inovative style of Gnome 3, atm. I'm
running 10.10 with cairodock(which for some reason worked better than awn
for me, also, to me, it's visually more appealing) and it feels a lot like
OSX. This being said, I'm not a huge fan of OSX myself, obviously I found it
rather locked and that's one of the reasons why I'm keeping my linux-based
system over switching to a mac, also I don't think we should be locked into
thinking that OSX is supposed to be the ultimate goal, in my opinion,

Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Unit carrega Gnome

2011-05-16 Thread Franco Catena

bom dia,

Gritar? eheheheheheheeh foi apenas um grifo.

Paz

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Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 6:05 PM
To: Lista de discussão do LoCoTeam Brasileiro
Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Unit carrega Gnome

NÃO PRECISA GRITAR.

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2011/5/13 Franco Catena facdavi...@hotmail.com:

Buenas

o SISTEMA NAO È O CLASSICO, mas o UBUNTU que aparece na parte inferior da
tela antes de eu logar Na combo posso escolher o modo classico tbem


PAZ


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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Natty - taxa de refresh 60Hz

2011-05-16 Thread Jeferson Rodrigues
Bom dia,

No meu note tá td certo tb... o driver adicional instalado e tudo mais...

Mas por que você precisa alterar o refresh? Para qual valor? Qual resolução
você quer usar? Qual o seu monitor?

Abraços


Em 14 de maio de 2011 02:34, Renan Traba rv...@inf.ufpr.br escreveu:

 essa eh a mesma placa q a minha, ake ta tudo normal, use apenas o driver
 livre, ake ta funcionando

 Em 14 de maio de 2011 01:08, Carlos Alberto Alves
 dr...@predialnet.com.brescreveu:

  Olá para todos!
  Fiz um upgrade para o Natty, pois  apresentava problemas com o driver ATI
  para uma Radeon 4200 onboard; a interface gráfica simplesmente não
 entrava
  mais, somente texto. O problema persiste com o Natty usando os drivers da
  ATI (11.5) do site e mesmo do Drivers Adicionais. Desinstalei e tudo
 volta
  ao normal. O único problema é que não tenho mais a opção de aumentar a
 taxa
  de refresh da tela; fica soemnte em 60Hz.
  Alguma dica???
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] ICAClient no Natty 64 bits

2011-05-16 Thread Jeferson Rodrigues
Bom dia João,

Por que você instalou o Natty AMD64?

Abraços

Em 14 de maio de 2011 14:23, João Olavo Baião de Vasconcelos 
joaool...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Olá pessoal!

 Nas versões anteriores, eu instalava o pacote do ICAClient [1] 32 bits com
 o
 comando abaixo:
 $ sudo dpkg --force-architecture -i icaclient_11.100_i386.patched.deb

 No Ubuntu 11.04, ao tentar instalar, aparece a seguinte mensagem de erro:

 *dpkg: aviso: a ultrapassar problema porque --force está activo:
  arquitetura do pacote (i386) não combina com a do sistema (amd64)
 (Lendo banco de dados ... 237034 ficheiros e directórios actualmente
 instalados.)
 Preparando para substituir icaclient:i386 11.100 (usando
 icaclient_11.100_i386.patched.deb) ...
 Desempacotando substituto icaclient:i386 ...
 dpkg: problemas de dependência impedem a configuração de icaclient:i386:
  icaclient:i386 depende de libc6 (= 2.3).
  icaclient:i386 depende de libice6 (= 1:1.0.0).
  icaclient:i386 depende de libsm6.
  icaclient:i386 depende de libx11-6.
  icaclient:i386 depende de libxaw7.
  icaclient:i386 depende de libxext6.
  icaclient:i386 depende de libxmu6.
  icaclient:i386 depende de libxp6.
  icaclient:i386 depende de libxpm4.
  icaclient:i386 depende de libxt6.
 dpkg: erro processando icaclient:i386 (--install):
  problemas de dependência - deixando desconfigurado
 Erros foram encontrados durante o processamento de:
  icaclient:i386
 *
 Essas dependências já estão instaladas. Provavelmente ele deve estar
 reclamando a falta da versão 32 bits das mesmas.

 Já removi o libmotif4 do repositório e tentei instalar um i386 (versão
 atual
 e a 2.3.1), mas ele também reclama de dependências semelhantes.

 Alguém sabe como resolver isso? Será que eu vou ter que ir instalando a
 versão 32 bits de cada pacote desse?

 Alguém está conseguindo usar o icaclient no Ubuntu 11.04?

 Valeu!!

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] ntfs montado automático

2011-05-16 Thread Jeferson Rodrigues
Bom dia galera,

É que a opção defaults assume como auto a montagem da partição. Talvez ele
tenha que inverter, defaults antes, noauto depois, ficando assim:

UUID=1240F5BF40F5A99D/media/sda3ntfs
  defaults,noauto,nls=utf8,umask=022200


Abraços

Em 14 de maio de 2011 18:49, Carlos Ribeiro k4rib...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Oi Marcelo,

 Acredito que deve ser acrescentado o noauto como indicaste, mas
 permanecer
 o defaults. Deve ficar assim:

 UUID=1240F5BF40F5A99D/media/sda3ntfs
 noauto,defaults,nls=utf8,umask=022200

 Carlos

 Em 14 de maio de 2011 12:12, Marcelo nunes dos santos 
 marcelo7...@gmail.com
  escreveu:

  Ola,
 
   Se nao me engano é so mudar esta linha:
 
  UUID=1240F5BF40F5A99D/media/sda3ntfs
   defaults,nls=utf8,umask=0222
00
 
  para:
 
  UUID=1240F5BF40F5A99D/media/sda3ntfs
  noauto,nls=utf8,umask=0222
   00
 
  Trocando o defaults pelo noauto ela deve parar de ser montada.
 
  Acho que era isto, faça um teste.
 
 
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  Em 14 de maio de 2011 10:55, Leonardo Bergamo leoberg...@gmail.com
  escreveu:
 
   Obrigado pelo retorno, Jeferson,
  
   Eu abri o arquivo /etc/fstab e mando o conteúdo dele abaixo, pois não
   estou em dúvida sobre onde devo fazer a alteração:
  
   Esse é o conteúdo do arquivo:
  
  
   # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
   #
   # file system mount point type options dump pass
  
   proc/procprocnodev,noexec,nosuid00
   #Entry for /dev/sda1 :
   UUID=f25c7738-f7f8-47fa-a9b8-a73784ee2651/ext4
   errors=remount-ro
  01
   #Entry for /dev/sda5 :
   UUID=206d22c2-1976-49e7-ad3a-7a368974f34e/homeext4defaults
   0
  2
   #Entry for /dev/sda3 :
   UUID=1240F5BF40F5A99D/media/sda3ntfs
defaults,nls=utf8,umask=022200
   #Entry for /dev/sda7 :
   UUID=d809da2e-98b1-42df-b60c-f1b0b5a6e5ebnoneswapsw0
  0
   #Entry for /dev/sda8 :
   UUID=5b45ad8c-6f74-41c8-b38b-e47c7f20456bnoneswapsw0
  0
   /dev/fd0/media/floppy0autorw,user,noauto,exec,utf80
  0
  
  
   Abraços
  
  
   Leonardo Bergamo
  
  
  
  
  
   Boa tarde Leonardo,
  
   Ele deve estar no /etc/fstab. Verifique se a linha referente a sua
  partição
   NTFS está lá sendo montada automaticamente. Se tiver dúvidas manda o
   conteúdo do seu arquivo para agente. Detalhe que para qualquer
 alteração
   neste arquivo tem que estar como root.
  
   O que eu recomendo é setar nas opções da partição o argumento noauto,
  que
   não efetua a montagem automática.
  
   Abraços
  
   Em 13 de maio de 2011 14:44, Leonardo Bergamoleoberg...@gmail.com
   escreveu:
  
  
  Olá,
   
 Eu instalei o 10.04 e fui atualizando até o 11.04.  E ele continua
   montando
 automaticamente a minha partição NTFS.
   
 Eu queria uma ajuda: alguém sabe me dizer como eu desligo esse
 automático?
   
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] ntfs montado automático - obrigado

2011-05-16 Thread Jeferson Rodrigues
Bom dia Leonardo,

Só uma recomendação da lista:

Não precisa mudar o assunto do tópico, pois assim perde a ligação com o
original, prejudicando a dinâmica da lista e dificultando a busca através de
mecanismos de busca, como o google, por exemplo.

Abraços

Em 15 de maio de 2011 16:56, Andre Cavalcante
andre.d.cavalca...@gmail.comescreveu:

 2011/5/15 Leonardo Bergamo leoberg...@gmail.com

  Obrigado ao Marcelo e ao Carlos, eu consegui resolver.
  Abraços,
  Leonardo Bergamo
 

 Resolveu o quê?

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Driver placa de video Intel

2011-05-16 Thread Jeferson Rodrigues
Bom dia Thiago,

Infelizmente, se a placa já não aguenta muito bem no Windows, no Linux vai
ser um pouco pior, pois a emulação de um outro sistema tem custo para o
hardware, e acaba refletindo em queda de performance. Mas vamos dar uma
investigada.

Entre no terminal e rode os seguintes comandos:

sudo apt-get install mesa-utils


E mande o resultado para nós da saída destes comandos:


 glxinfo | grep direct rendering  lsmod | grep video


Abraços


Em 15 de maio de 2011 19:02, Thiago Nascimento
vieiratn.ubu...@hotmail.comescreveu:



 Beleza galera, meu primeiro e-mail na lista.
 Sou usuário iniciante de Linux e consegui rodar meus jogos de Windows via
 Wine, porém, consegui extrair muito pouco da minha placa de video.
 Ela é uma placa onboard do meu notebook, seu modelo é Mobile Intel(R) GMA
 4500MHD+.
 Lendo algumas informações na internet descobri que tenho que instalar o
 driver desta placa no Linux.
 Não consigo achar o tal driver no site da Intel.
 Alguém ai que tenha a mesma placa já passou por esse problema, ou alguém
 sabe uma solução?
 Minha distro é o Ubuntu 11.04.
 Abraços!

 Obs.: Sei que é uma placa modesta, mas para os jogos que eu rodava no
 windows ela dava pro gasto.

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[Ubuntu-BR] Placa de som externa para Ubuntu!

2011-05-16 Thread Renato Alvim
Amigos, por favor: que placa usar?

Externa, para áudio e midi.

Obrigado.

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] gparted não le minhas partições!!!

2011-05-16 Thread neth...@logbin.net
On Sun, 15 May 2011 22:47:34 -0300
felipe felipeban...@gmail.com wrote:
 Apenas para informar, quem passar por problema semelhante, o gparted não
 estava exibindo minhas partições de um hd informando que não podem haver
 partições sobrepostas, a solução foi usar a ferramenta testdisk (do
 pacote testdisk, que tem nos repositórios). Não documentei todos os
 passos mas foi muito intuitivo, abri no terminal com o comando testdisk,
 mandei analisar o disco, foi detectado o erro, e em certo momento,
 mandei escrever a tabela de partições corrigidas. Agora todas aparecem
 no gparted =)

Felipe, por favor não altere o assunto do tópico inserindo [Resolvido].
Ao fazer isso você quebrou a hierarquia do mesmo, criando um novo.

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] [RESOLVIDO] gparted não le minhas partições!!!

2011-05-16 Thread Jeferson Rodrigues
Bom dia Felipe,

Grande dica! Está registrada na lista
E quando alguém apresentar algum problema semelhante, já sabemos o caminho
que tomar para tentar auxiliar essas pessoas.

Vivendo e enriquecendo... sempre!

Vlw!!!

Em 15 de maio de 2011 22:47, felipe felipeban...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Apenas para informar, quem passar por problema semelhante, o gparted não
 estava exibindo minhas partições de um hd informando que não podem haver
 partições sobrepostas, a solução foi usar a ferramenta testdisk (do
 pacote testdisk, que tem nos repositórios). Não documentei todos os
 passos mas foi muito intuitivo, abri no terminal com o comando testdisk,
 mandei analisar o disco, foi detectado o erro, e em certo momento,
 mandei escrever a tabela de partições corrigidas. Agora todas aparecem
 no gparted =)


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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Driver placa de video Intel

2011-05-16 Thread neth...@logbin.net
On Mon, 16 May 2011 08:05:24 -0300
Jeferson Rodrigues jefero...@gmail.com wrote:
 Bom dia Thiago,
 Infelizmente, se a placa já não aguenta muito bem no Windows, no Linux vai
 ser um pouco pior, pois a emulação de um outro sistema tem custo para o
 hardware, e acaba refletindo em queda de performance. Mas vamos dar uma
 investigada.
 Entre no terminal e rode os seguintes comandos:
 sudo apt-get install mesa-utils
 E mande o resultado para nós da saída destes comandos:
  glxinfo | grep direct rendering  lsmod | grep video
 Abraços

Não uso placas Intel, mas já ví algumas recomendações de instalação do pacote:
xserver-xorg-video-intel
Se ajudar...

nethell

 Em 15 de maio de 2011 19:02, Thiago Nascimento
 vieiratn.ubu...@hotmail.comescreveu:
  Beleza galera, meu primeiro e-mail na lista.
  Sou usuário iniciante de Linux e consegui rodar meus jogos de Windows via
  Wine, porém, consegui extrair muito pouco da minha placa de video.
  Ela é uma placa onboard do meu notebook, seu modelo é Mobile Intel(R) GMA
  4500MHD+.
  Lendo algumas informações na internet descobri que tenho que instalar o
  driver desta placa no Linux.
  Não consigo achar o tal driver no site da Intel.
  Alguém ai que tenha a mesma placa já passou por esse problema, ou alguém
  sabe uma solução?
  Minha distro é o Ubuntu 11.04.
  Abraços!
  Obs.: Sei que é uma placa modesta, mas para os jogos que eu rodava no
  windows ela dava pro gasto.
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Unit carrega Gnome

2011-05-16 Thread Jeferson Rodrigues
Bom dia Franco,

O GDM (Gnome Desktop Manager, que é o gerenciador de área de trabalho
gnome), mantém a úlitma sessão aberta como padrão. Portanto, basta você
escolher Ubuntu Classic que depois disso você não precisará se incomodar
em fazer isto novamente. O Gnome2 se tornará padrão.

Abraços

Em 16 de maio de 2011 07:20, Franco Catena facdavi...@hotmail.comescreveu:

 bom dia,

 Gritar? eheheheheheheeh foi apenas um grifo.

 Paz

 -Mensagem Original- From: Zandre Bran
 Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 6:05 PM

 To: Lista de discussão do LoCoTeam Brasileiro
 Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Unit carrega Gnome

 NÃO PRECISA GRITAR.

 -- Zandre.

 2011/5/13 Franco Catena facdavi...@hotmail.com:

 Buenas

 o SISTEMA NAO È O CLASSICO, mas o UBUNTU que aparece na parte inferior da
 tela antes de eu logar Na combo posso escolher o modo classico tbem


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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Placa de som externa para Ubuntu!

2011-05-16 Thread Jeferson Rodrigues
Bom dia Renato pra vc também =P

Para que você quer uma placa externa? Qual será a sua aplicação? Existe
realmente a necessidade disso?

Abraços

Em 16 de maio de 2011 08:14, Renato Alvim renato.al...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Amigos, por favor: que placa usar?

 Externa, para áudio e midi.

 Obrigado.

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Placa de som externa para Ubuntu!

2011-05-16 Thread Givaldo de Cidra
Em 16 de maio de 2011 08:14, Renato Alvim renato.al...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Amigos, por favor: que placa usar?

 Externa, para áudio e midi.


Tenho o ubuntu-studio e uso a placa externa M-AUDIO FastTrack e funciona
perfeitamente, sem nenhum problema.


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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] [off-topic] Saindo

2011-05-16 Thread neth...@logbin.net
On Fri, 13 May 2011 21:15:26 -0300
Gisele Neuls gisele.ne...@gmail.com wrote:
 Devo reconhecer que o argumento é ótimo, e é bom saber que tem outros
 usuários de mint aqui. Vcs vão me tolerar perguntando coisas não exatamente
 ubuntianas sempre devidamente identificadas como off topic? Eu realmente não
 quero tumultuar a lista.
 Eu ainda estou um pouco insegura em aplicar meus parcos conhecimentos de
 ubuntu no mint, mas acho que vcs têm razão, posso aproveitar o que aprendo
 aqui. Já fui intimada a documentar minha experiência também, me foi dito que
 pode ser estimulante para quem tem medo do linux.

Gisele,
No final das contas, embora você esteja usando o Mint Debian based e não o 
Ubuntu based, não há muitas diferenças a relevar e provavelmente as dúvidas que 
poderás encontrar serão idênticas às do Ubuntu salvo aquelas oriundas de 
configurações específicas da versão.
Quanto ao Skype, cuja atenção à versão para os Linuxs já não era lá grandes 
coisas, creio que em breve será apagado do mapa pela MS (por favor não iniciar 
discussão neste tópico)... então, os usuários optarão por migrar para outra 
alternativa open ou pela utilização da versão MS, virtualizada ou não.
Bem, acredito que este tópico esteja encerrado pois, afinal, creio que você 
optou pela permanência na lista :) o que é bom e proveitoso para todos.
É interessante ressaltar que, mesmo um membro não participando de soluções, o 
simples fato de postar uma dúvida e o desenrolar da solução desta já uma 
contribuição valiosa para outros que poderão vir a passar pelo mesmo problema. 
Toda e qualquer participação é valiosa. 

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Driver placa de video Intel

2011-05-16 Thread Renan Traba
so um aviso, o mesmo programa grafico (jogo) q roda do windows, roda
levemente mais lento no linux (por causa do X), e sob o wine tende a ficar
pior, pois eh uma camada a mais entre o programa e o hardware, entao nao
espere muito desempenho

Em 16 de maio de 2011 08:24, neth...@logbin.net neth...@logbin.netescreveu:

 On Mon, 16 May 2011 08:05:24 -0300
 Jeferson Rodrigues jefero...@gmail.com wrote:
  Bom dia Thiago,
  Infelizmente, se a placa já não aguenta muito bem no Windows, no Linux
 vai
  ser um pouco pior, pois a emulação de um outro sistema tem custo para o
  hardware, e acaba refletindo em queda de performance. Mas vamos dar uma
  investigada.
  Entre no terminal e rode os seguintes comandos:
  sudo apt-get install mesa-utils
  E mande o resultado para nós da saída destes comandos:
   glxinfo | grep direct rendering  lsmod | grep video
  Abraços

 Não uso placas Intel, mas já ví algumas recomendações de instalação do
 pacote:
 xserver-xorg-video-intel
 Se ajudar...

 nethell

  Em 15 de maio de 2011 19:02, Thiago Nascimento
  vieiratn.ubu...@hotmail.comescreveu:
   Beleza galera, meu primeiro e-mail na lista.
   Sou usuário iniciante de Linux e consegui rodar meus jogos de Windows
 via
   Wine, porém, consegui extrair muito pouco da minha placa de video.
   Ela é uma placa onboard do meu notebook, seu modelo é Mobile Intel(R)
 GMA
   4500MHD+.
   Lendo algumas informações na internet descobri que tenho que instalar o
   driver desta placa no Linux.
   Não consigo achar o tal driver no site da Intel.
   Alguém ai que tenha a mesma placa já passou por esse problema, ou
 alguém
   sabe uma solução?
   Minha distro é o Ubuntu 11.04.
   Abraços!
   Obs.: Sei que é uma placa modesta, mas para os jogos que eu rodava no
   windows ela dava pro gasto.
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Unit carrega Gnome

2011-05-16 Thread Renan Traba
o que ele quer eh usar o unity nao gnome2



o unity chama o gnome2 caso ocorra algum problema, entao possivelmente o
unity esta com tendo problema ao carregar
e o VB nao da um bom suporte a 3d ainda, talvez seja isso

Em 16 de maio de 2011 08:28, Jeferson Rodrigues jefero...@gmail.comescreveu:

 Bom dia Franco,

 O GDM (Gnome Desktop Manager, que é o gerenciador de área de trabalho
 gnome), mantém a úlitma sessão aberta como padrão. Portanto, basta você
 escolher Ubuntu Classic que depois disso você não precisará se incomodar
 em fazer isto novamente. O Gnome2 se tornará padrão.

 Abraços

 Em 16 de maio de 2011 07:20, Franco Catena facdavi...@hotmail.com
 escreveu:

  bom dia,
 
  Gritar? eheheheheheheeh foi apenas um grifo.
 
  Paz
 
  -Mensagem Original- From: Zandre Bran
  Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 6:05 PM
 
  To: Lista de discussão do LoCoTeam Brasileiro
  Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Unit carrega Gnome
 
  NÃO PRECISA GRITAR.
 
  -- Zandre.
 
  2011/5/13 Franco Catena facdavi...@hotmail.com:
 
  Buenas
 
  o SISTEMA NAO È O CLASSICO, mas o UBUNTU que aparece na parte inferior
 da
  tela antes de eu logar Na combo posso escolher o modo classico tbem
 
 
  PAZ
 
 
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[Ubuntu-BR] Lançador sempre visível no Ubuntu Natty

2011-05-16 Thread Diego Walisson
Olá pessoal,

Existe alguma maneira do lançador de apps do Ubuntu Natty ficar sempre
visível?

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] [off-topic] Saindo

2011-05-16 Thread Renato Alvim
Bela colocação ao final, amigo.
Esse é o espírito real do GNU Linux!

Em 16 de maio de 2011 08:46, neth...@logbin.net neth...@logbin.netescreveu:

 On Fri, 13 May 2011 21:15:26 -0300
 Gisele Neuls gisele.ne...@gmail.com wrote:
  Devo reconhecer que o argumento é ótimo, e é bom saber que tem outros
  usuários de mint aqui. Vcs vão me tolerar perguntando coisas não
 exatamente
  ubuntianas sempre devidamente identificadas como off topic? Eu realmente
 não
  quero tumultuar a lista.
  Eu ainda estou um pouco insegura em aplicar meus parcos conhecimentos de
  ubuntu no mint, mas acho que vcs têm razão, posso aproveitar o que
 aprendo
  aqui. Já fui intimada a documentar minha experiência também, me foi dito
 que
  pode ser estimulante para quem tem medo do linux.

 Gisele,
 No final das contas, embora você esteja usando o Mint Debian based e não o
 Ubuntu based, não há muitas diferenças a relevar e provavelmente as dúvidas
 que poderás encontrar serão idênticas às do Ubuntu salvo aquelas oriundas de
 configurações específicas da versão.
 Quanto ao Skype, cuja atenção à versão para os Linuxs já não era lá grandes
 coisas, creio que em breve será apagado do mapa pela MS (por favor não
 iniciar discussão neste tópico)... então, os usuários optarão por migrar
 para outra alternativa open ou pela utilização da versão MS, virtualizada ou
 não.
 Bem, acredito que este tópico esteja encerrado pois, afinal, creio que você
 optou pela permanência na lista :) o que é bom e proveitoso para todos.
 É interessante ressaltar que, mesmo um membro não participando de
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Cantasia for Ubuntu?

2011-05-16 Thread Paulo Rogério Batalhão

bom dia,

esse é muito bom para gravar (simples e direto)!
Só que quando você terminar o vídeo... até ele gerar o arquivo demora 
uma eternidade  =(



alguém conhece outra que seja mais rápido?



Em 14/05/2011 23:29, Cicero Rocha escreveu:

record-my-desktop acho que é isso

Em 14 de maio de 2011 23:26, Markos Lacerdamarkos.r...@r7.com  escreveu:


Boa Noite Amigos da lista,

Gostaria de saber se alguém conhece algum software similar para o ubuntu do
*cantasia* estou ministrando um curso de Java na minha faculdade e gostaria
de gravar algumas video aulas e para isso necessitaria gravar meu Desktop...

Desde já agradeço !!

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Placa de som externa para Ubuntu!

2011-05-16 Thread Renato Alvim
Muito grato.
É ela que vou adquirir!

Em 16 de maio de 2011 08:40, Givaldo de Cidra
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 Em 16 de maio de 2011 08:14, Renato Alvim renato.al...@gmail.com
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  Amigos, por favor: que placa usar?
 
  Externa, para áudio e midi.
 

 Tenho o ubuntu-studio e uso a placa externa M-AUDIO FastTrack e funciona
 perfeitamente, sem nenhum problema.


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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Placa de som externa para Ubuntu!

2011-05-16 Thread Renato Alvim
Minha placa parou de funcionar, tanto no Linux como no outro.
E eu sou músico.
Arranjador.
Quero poder enxergar tudo o que se passa, além de uma boa qualidade de som.
E tenho uma Encore fraquinha interna além da interna que veio com o micro.
Nenhuma das duas.
pode ser o cabo.
Vou testar isso agora.
Mas a idéia de uma placa externa não me sai da cabeça.
Jpá tive antes e gostava muito.
Espeto tudo ao alcance da mão ao invés de lá atrás no micro, por exemplo.
Obrigado, amigo.

Em 16 de maio de 2011 08:30, Jeferson Rodrigues jefero...@gmail.comescreveu:

 Bom dia Renato pra vc também =P

 Para que você quer uma placa externa? Qual será a sua aplicação? Existe
 realmente a necessidade disso?

 Abraços

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  Amigos, por favor: que placa usar?
 
  Externa, para áudio e midi.
 
  Obrigado.
 
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Cantasia for Ubuntu?

2011-05-16 Thread Humberto Fraga
Em 16 de maio de 2011 09:23, Paulo Rogério Batalhão
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 alguém conhece outra que seja mais rápido?


Um processador mais rápido, ou um vídeo menor (que não capture a tela toda),
ou uma resolução de vídeo menor, ou uma qualidade menor no vídeo gerado
(selecione antes de começar a capturar).

Veja que é processamento de vídeo, é um trabalho computacional pesado, vai
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Lançador sempre visível no Ubuntu Natty

2011-05-16 Thread Jeferson Rodrigues
Bom dia Diego,

Para manter ele sem ocultar é fácil. Entre no Gerenciador de Configurações
do CompizConfig (Aplicações = Temas e Tweaks = Gerenciador de
Configurações do CompizConfig), na label Área de Trabalho, entre em Ubuntu
Unity Plugin, e na opção Hide Laucher coloque Never.

Agora, gostaria de aproveitar o gancho para perguntar pra galera: alguém
sabe como manter o lançador na parte inferior da tela?

Abraços

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 Olá pessoal,

 Existe alguma maneira do lançador de apps do Ubuntu Natty ficar sempre
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Lançador sempre visível no Ubuntu Natty

2011-05-16 Thread Andre Cavalcante
Olá pessoal...

2011/5/16 Diego Walisson diegowalis...@gmail.com

 Olá pessoal,

 Existe alguma maneira do lançador de apps do Ubuntu Natty ficar sempre
 visível?


Mais uma vez, já estou ficando um pouco cansado de enviar o mesmo link,
mas...

http://wiki.ubuntu-br.org/Unity

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Lançador sempre visível no Ubuntu Natty

2011-05-16 Thread Diego Walisson
Valeu, Jeferson.
Resolvido.

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 Olá pessoal...

 2011/5/16 Diego Walisson diegowalis...@gmail.com

  Olá pessoal,
 
  Existe alguma maneira do lançador de apps do Ubuntu Natty ficar sempre
  visível?
 

 Mais uma vez, já estou ficando um pouco cansado de enviar o mesmo link,
 mas...

 http://wiki.ubuntu-br.org/Unity

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] [off-topic] Saindo

2011-05-16 Thread Ávila .
Olás amigos da lista.
Infelizmente a Gisele não faz mais parte desta lista, ela já se
descadastrou.
Ela me mandou um email particular  e me avisou que já tinha saído da lista.
Provavelmente ela nem está mais lendo os comentários, ou se tiver é pelo
histórico da lista.
Abraços a todos

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 Bela colocação ao final, amigo.
 Esse é o espírito real do GNU Linux!

 Em 16 de maio de 2011 08:46, neth...@logbin.net neth...@logbin.net
 escreveu:

  On Fri, 13 May 2011 21:15:26 -0300
  Gisele Neuls gisele.ne...@gmail.com wrote:
   Devo reconhecer que o argumento é ótimo, e é bom saber que tem outros
   usuários de mint aqui. Vcs vão me tolerar perguntando coisas não
  exatamente
   ubuntianas sempre devidamente identificadas como off topic? Eu
 realmente
  não
   quero tumultuar a lista.
   Eu ainda estou um pouco insegura em aplicar meus parcos conhecimentos
 de
   ubuntu no mint, mas acho que vcs têm razão, posso aproveitar o que
  aprendo
   aqui. Já fui intimada a documentar minha experiência também, me foi
 dito
  que
   pode ser estimulante para quem tem medo do linux.
 
  Gisele,
  No final das contas, embora você esteja usando o Mint Debian based e não
 o
  Ubuntu based, não há muitas diferenças a relevar e provavelmente as
 dúvidas
  que poderás encontrar serão idênticas às do Ubuntu salvo aquelas oriundas
 de
  configurações específicas da versão.
  Quanto ao Skype, cuja atenção à versão para os Linuxs já não era lá
 grandes
  coisas, creio que em breve será apagado do mapa pela MS (por favor não
  iniciar discussão neste tópico)... então, os usuários optarão por migrar
  para outra alternativa open ou pela utilização da versão MS, virtualizada
 ou
  não.
  Bem, acredito que este tópico esteja encerrado pois, afinal, creio que
 você
  optou pela permanência na lista :) o que é bom e proveitoso para todos.
  É interessante ressaltar que, mesmo um membro não participando de
  soluções, o simples fato de postar uma dúvida e o desenrolar da solução
  desta já uma contribuição valiosa para outros que poderão vir a passar
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[Ubuntu-BR] Ubuntu 9 não carrega mais

2011-05-16 Thread oquigibsom
 Olá todos!
 Eu tenho o Ubuntu 9 instalado num Netbook e tem funcionado muito
bem.
 Ocorre que, aparentemente sem nenhuma razão quando o Ubuntu está
sendo carregado, ele mostra o logotipo assim que carrega o modo
gráfico e quando deveria mostrar a tela de logon ela aparece toda
distorcida impossibilitando sua leitura e seu uso.
 Não consigo mais utilizar o Linux nessa máquina.
 Tentei as opções de recuperação no boot do grub mas não obtive
sucesso.
 Alguém me dá uma dica? Detalhe, sou quase que completamente
analfabeto em termos de linha de comando no Linux.
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] ICAClient no Natty 64 bits

2011-05-16 Thread Joao Mandl
João,
Usava isso no 10.10, ainda não tive tempo de usar na 11.04, meu
desktop tá abandonado em casa 
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CitrixICAClientHowTo
E se puder avisar se funciona no 11.04.
Abraços,

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Em 14 de maio de 2011 14:23, João Olavo Baião de Vasconcelos
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 Olá pessoal!

 Nas versões anteriores, eu instalava o pacote do ICAClient [1] 32 bits com o
 comando abaixo:
 $ sudo dpkg --force-architecture -i icaclient_11.100_i386.patched.deb

 No Ubuntu 11.04, ao tentar instalar, aparece a seguinte mensagem de erro:

 *dpkg: aviso: a ultrapassar problema porque --force está activo:
  arquitetura do pacote (i386) não combina com a do sistema (amd64)
 (Lendo banco de dados ... 237034 ficheiros e directórios actualmente
 instalados.)
 Preparando para substituir icaclient:i386 11.100 (usando
 icaclient_11.100_i386.patched.deb) ...
 Desempacotando substituto icaclient:i386 ...
 dpkg: problemas de dependência impedem a configuração de icaclient:i386:
  icaclient:i386 depende de libc6 (= 2.3).
  icaclient:i386 depende de libice6 (= 1:1.0.0).
  icaclient:i386 depende de libsm6.
  icaclient:i386 depende de libx11-6.
  icaclient:i386 depende de libxaw7.
  icaclient:i386 depende de libxext6.
  icaclient:i386 depende de libxmu6.
  icaclient:i386 depende de libxp6.
  icaclient:i386 depende de libxpm4.
  icaclient:i386 depende de libxt6.
 dpkg: erro processando icaclient:i386 (--install):
  problemas de dependência - deixando desconfigurado
 Erros foram encontrados durante o processamento de:
  icaclient:i386
 *
 Essas dependências já estão instaladas. Provavelmente ele deve estar
 reclamando a falta da versão 32 bits das mesmas.

 Já removi o libmotif4 do repositório e tentei instalar um i386 (versão atual
 e a 2.3.1), mas ele também reclama de dependências semelhantes.

 Alguém sabe como resolver isso? Será que eu vou ter que ir instalando a
 versão 32 bits de cada pacote desse?

 Alguém está conseguindo usar o icaclient no Ubuntu 11.04?

 Valeu!!

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Cantasia for Ubuntu?

2011-05-16 Thread Mauro Risonho de Paula Assumpção
tibesti
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/12/tibesti-screencasting-app-for-linux/

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Problemas na Inicialização

2011-05-16 Thread Rafael Alves Feliciano
Eu conseguir instalar o grub, mas quando inicia o grub só lista o ubuntu.
Tinha que listar também o windows e o mandriva.

Alguem sabe o que pode ser?o' vem antes de 'trabalho' é no dicionário.

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Ubuntu 9 não carrega mais

2011-05-16 Thread neth...@logbin.net
On Mon, 16 May 2011 14:01:46 +
oquigib...@terra.com.br wrote:
  Olá todos!
  Eu tenho o Ubuntu 9 instalado num Netbook e tem funcionado muito
 bem.
  Ocorre que, aparentemente sem nenhuma razão quando o Ubuntu está
 sendo carregado, ele mostra o logotipo assim que carrega o modo
 gráfico e quando deveria mostrar a tela de logon ela aparece toda
 distorcida impossibilitando sua leitura e seu uso.
  Não consigo mais utilizar o Linux nessa máquina.
  Tentei as opções de recuperação no boot do grub mas não obtive
 sucesso.
  Alguém me dá uma dica? Detalhe, sou quase que completamente
 analfabeto em termos de linha de comando no Linux.
  Obrigado,

Bem, como as versões 9 já tem seu suporte expirado, não sei se há possibilidade 
de correção de possíveis pacotes quebrados, salvo você desabilitar todos os 
repositórios e utilizar apenas os pacotes do CD de instalação.
Uma forma de entrar é pelo modo seguro mesmo: Escolha a opção entrar 
normalmente, digite seu login, senha e startx. Carregado o sistema, vá em 
sistema, administração, usuários e grupos, marque seu usuário e altere a opção 
para entrar automaticamente sem solicitar senha. Reinicie e veja se vai.
Preferencialmente, salve seus arquivos externamente e instale a versão Ubuntu 
Netbook Remix 10.04, é uma LTS com prazo de suporte até Abril de 2013.

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Problemas na Inicialização

2011-05-16 Thread neth...@logbin.net
On Mon, 16 May 2011 11:28:48 -0300
Rafael Alves Feliciano fael.anje...@gmail.com wrote:

 Eu conseguir instalar o grub, mas quando inicia o grub só lista o ubuntu.
 Tinha que listar também o windows e o mandriva.

Experimente, já com o Ubuntu em uso, o comando:
sudo update-grub
Veja se restaura as entradas.

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[Ubuntu-BR] [OFF] Bug = LibreOffice + lo-menubar

2011-05-16 Thread Jeferson Rodrigues
Bom dia pessoal,

Quando eu instalei o Natty, veio junto o BrOffice3, porém eu quis que a
barra de menus dele ficasse integrada com a do Unity (no topo da tela), e
esta função não é nativa do BrOffice. Pesquisando, encontrei o pacote
lo-menubar, que faz isso. Até aí tudo bem, ficou bem bacana.

Porém, hoje fui fazer uma planilha, e ao tentar congelar uma célula, reparei
que o menu Janela não estava presente. Fui atrás e descobri que se trata
realmente de um bug, onde foi confirmado pela equipe de desenvolvedores,
porém ainda não foi alocado ninguém para solucionar o problema.

Portanto, gostaria de convocar aqueles que também são afetados pelo bug, a
se inscreverem nele como também sou afetado (This bug affects X people.
Does this bug affect you?), pois acho que não está sendo tratado com tanta
prioridade como deveria por não ter gente inscrita suficientemente para eles
verem a importância da resolução dele.

Atualmente tem dois bugs relacionados a este problema:

Este: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lo-menubar/+bug/770715

Que é clone deste: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lo-menubar/+bug/760879

O mais legal seria se inscrever nos 2 bugs.

E é isso aí pessoal, conto com vcs

Abraços
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] [OFF] Bug = LibreOffice + lo-menubar

2011-05-16 Thread neth...@logbin.net
On Mon, 16 May 2011 11:39:01 -0300
Jeferson Rodrigues jefero...@gmail.com wrote:
 Portanto, gostaria de convocar aqueles que também são afetados pelo bug, a
 se inscreverem nele como também sou afetado (This bug affects X people.
 Does this bug affect you?), pois acho que não está sendo tratado com tanta
 prioridade como deveria por não ter gente inscrita suficientemente para eles
 verem a importância da resolução dele.
 Atualmente tem dois bugs relacionados a este problema:
 Este: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lo-menubar/+bug/770715
 Que é clone deste: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lo-menubar/+bug/760879
 O mais legal seria se inscrever nos 2 bugs.
 E é isso aí pessoal, conto com vcs

Já inscrito em ambos :)
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Problemas na Inicialização

2011-05-16 Thread Jeferson Rodrigues
Bom dia senhores,

Eu instalei o Natty aqui no meu trampo, e tive um pequeno problema, pois eu
instalei o Ubuntu a partir de um pen-drive.

O que aconteceu foi o seguinte: eu setei na BIOS o boot pelo pen-drive, mas
tive que colocar ele como disco primário, então ele foi reconhecido como SDA
pelo instalador, e como o hd ficou como SDB, as entradas no arquivo
/etc/fstab ficaram setadas todas para o SDB. Na primeira inicialização sem o
pen-drive ocorreu o problema, pois sem o dispositivo o hd era tratado como
SDA, e então o Ubuntu tentava montar as partições como SDB, porém o disco
não estava mais presente (no SDB não).

O que eu fiz para solucionar o problema foi: inicializar o live a partir do
pen-drive, montei a partição / do hd, editei o /etc/fstab, alterando todas
as entradas de sdb para sda. Salvei o arquivo e reinicializei o
computador. Problema solucionado.

Acho que deve ter ocorrido o mesmo problema com você Rafael. Faça o que o
Salles recomendou: execute o comando sudo update-grub2 via Live, depois
verifique como está o seu /etc/fstab, alterando as linhas que estiverem como
/dev/sdb para /dev/sda.

Abraços

Em 16 de maio de 2011 11:37, neth...@logbin.net neth...@logbin.netescreveu:

 On Mon, 16 May 2011 11:28:48 -0300
 Rafael Alves Feliciano fael.anje...@gmail.com wrote:

  Eu conseguir instalar o grub, mas quando inicia o grub só lista o ubuntu.
  Tinha que listar também o windows e o mandriva.

 Experimente, já com o Ubuntu em uso, o comando:
 sudo update-grub
 Veja se restaura as entradas.

 nethell

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] [OFF] Bug = LibreOffice + lo-menubar

2011-05-16 Thread Jeferson Rodrigues
Opa! Vlw Salles!

Em 16 de maio de 2011 11:52, neth...@logbin.net neth...@logbin.netescreveu:

 On Mon, 16 May 2011 11:39:01 -0300
 Jeferson Rodrigues jefero...@gmail.com wrote:
  Portanto, gostaria de convocar aqueles que também são afetados pelo bug,
 a
  se inscreverem nele como também sou afetado (This bug affects X people.
  Does this bug affect you?), pois acho que não está sendo tratado com
 tanta
  prioridade como deveria por não ter gente inscrita suficientemente para
 eles
  verem a importância da resolução dele.
  Atualmente tem dois bugs relacionados a este problema:
  Este: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lo-menubar/+bug/770715
  Que é clone deste: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lo-menubar/+bug/760879
  O mais legal seria se inscrever nos 2 bugs.
  E é isso aí pessoal, conto com vcs

 Já inscrito em ambos :)
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Problemas na Inicialização

2011-05-16 Thread neth...@logbin.net
On Mon, 16 May 2011 11:54:21 -0300
Jeferson Rodrigues jefero...@gmail.com wrote:
 Bom dia senhores,
 Eu instalei o Natty aqui no meu trampo, e tive um pequeno problema, pois eu
 instalei o Ubuntu a partir de um pen-drive.
 O que aconteceu foi o seguinte: eu setei na BIOS o boot pelo pen-drive, mas
 tive que colocar ele como disco primário, então ele foi reconhecido como SDA
 pelo instalador, e como o hd ficou como SDB, as entradas no arquivo
 /etc/fstab ficaram setadas todas para o SDB. Na primeira inicialização sem o
 pen-drive ocorreu o problema, pois sem o dispositivo o hd era tratado como
 SDA, e então o Ubuntu tentava montar as partições como SDB, porém o disco
 não estava mais presente (no SDB não).
 O que eu fiz para solucionar o problema foi: inicializar o live a partir do
 pen-drive, montei a partição / do hd, editei o /etc/fstab, alterando todas
 as entradas de sdb para sda. Salvei o arquivo e reinicializei o
 computador. Problema solucionado.
 Acho que deve ter ocorrido o mesmo problema com você Rafael. Faça o que o
 Salles recomendou: execute o comando sudo update-grub2 via Live, depois
 verifique como está o seu /etc/fstab, alterando as linhas que estiverem como
 /dev/sdb para /dev/sda.
 Abraços

Jefferson, me tire uma dúvida:
Por acaso, além de setar o primeiro boot para o dispositivo USB, você também 
não alterou no bios a ordem de prioridade de boot para o pendrive? 

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Unit carrega Gnome

2011-05-16 Thread Franco Catena

Boa tarde,

Na verdade eu quero o Unit que não entra qdo eu altero as opções

-Mensagem Original- 
From: Jeferson Rodrigues

Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 8:28 AM
To: Lista de discussão do LoCoTeam Brasileiro
Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Unit carrega Gnome

Bom dia Franco,

O GDM (Gnome Desktop Manager, que é o gerenciador de área de trabalho
gnome), mantém a úlitma sessão aberta como padrão. Portanto, basta você
escolher Ubuntu Classic que depois disso você não precisará se incomodar
em fazer isto novamente. O Gnome2 se tornará padrão.

Abraços

Em 16 de maio de 2011 07:20, Franco Catena facdavi...@hotmail.comescreveu:


bom dia,

Gritar? eheheheheheheeh foi apenas um grifo.

Paz

-Mensagem Original- From: Zandre Bran
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 6:05 PM

To: Lista de discussão do LoCoTeam Brasileiro
Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Unit carrega Gnome

NÃO PRECISA GRITAR.

-- Zandre.

2011/5/13 Franco Catena facdavi...@hotmail.com:


Buenas

o SISTEMA NAO È O CLASSICO, mas o UBUNTU que aparece na parte inferior da
tela antes de eu logar Na combo posso escolher o modo classico tbem


PAZ



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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Unit carrega Gnome

2011-05-16 Thread neth...@logbin.net
On Mon, 16 May 2011 13:19:11 -0300
Franco Catena facdavi...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Boa tarde,
 Na verdade eu quero o Unit que não entra qdo eu altero as opções

Se seu hardware de aceleração gráfica não suportar 3D ou não estiver ativado, o 
Unity não será carregado.
Vá em Sistema  Administração  Drivers de Hardware e verifique se há drivers 
disponíveis para ativação de sua aceleradora de vídeo. Se houver, marque a 
Recomendada e ative-a. Reinicie. 

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