Re: [Ugnet]Mengo won't get Kampala - Museveni ,\ Opoka
What is the aim of this discussion? Oracha ___ Ugandanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/
ugnet_: leaked information?
It has been learnt that the Kony movement do have reasons for their struggle. The have reasons that any one willing to know can find out. Unfortunately, Uganda press have simply refused or been prevented from finding those reasons. And they have spoken of the Ten Commandments as if it was something only meant for backwards people. let us stop for a moment and see what the Ten Commandments talk about. I will put briefly: 1. Thou shall have no other God but me 2. Thou shall not take the name of God in vain 3. Remember to keep the Sabbath 4. Honor thy father and mother 5. Thou shall not kill 6. Thou shall not commit adultery 7. Thoushall not steal 8. Thou shall not bear false witness 9. Thou shall not covet thy neighbors wife 10.Thou shall not covet they neighbor's goods. So, if that is what the LRA really want to use as basis for ruling Uganda then I find that they seem to be more interested in steering the country on the right track. This a good thing. But really Kony is talking about: 1abuse of human rights as it happened in Acholi and elsewhere 2discrimination on tribal and other lines 3runaway corruption 4 disrespect for the constitution 5 militarisation of Uganda politics 6 destroying the bas of Uganda economy (shifting it to foreign aid based economy) 7 theft of money from the UCB So why do the newspapers refer to the only aims that LRA has is to rule Uganda according to the Ten Commandments? Most laws and rules in use are based on the Ten Commandments and it is in line with not trying to "reinvent the wheel." It is time to talk peace to LRA irrespective of how they intend to rule Uganda, Maybe they have already achieve their aims and negotiation will bring us out of this morass. Ignoring the fact that Kony has a contentious issue to deal with is failure of leadership on the part of the M7 government Look at carefully Menya Kilat
Re: ugnet_: Re: Oyite-Ojok's_family_secrets_buried_here
In a message dated 4/20/2004 8:20:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kipenji: How can Adam Dada be an IDIOT?? He is speaking the truth, unlike you who is in denial of under development of the North. In the North, people are still living in grass thatched houses and you are trying to deny it. You galla be livin' la vida fantasia. You and Dada are either childish or stupid. This something that is personal interest not north south or whatever you want to say. Talk about how we can live together peacefully and with respect for each other. Talk about the constitution or law and order, how should it be applied now 18 years after overthrowing the government that you claim did not listen to the people. Bring in your view of what should transpire and how you expect to achieve it. okapire? Oracha
Re: ugnet_: Re: Wapakabulo
In a message dated 4/6/2004 10:22:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oracha: I really think that people who do not celebrate for the death of their enemies are very immature, running around with soiled diapers, and still laughing their heads off when everyone else is dumbstruck. This is plainly dumb. Just answer a simple question: If you die, would you like anybodyto celebrate? Yes or no will suffice. Oracha
Re: ugnet_: Re: Wapakabulo
In a message dated 4/6/2004 7:54:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ms. Nansikombi: Munange, Allah/God is great! It's good to hear that you are recovering from the aftermath of that lovely wine drink after the celebration of the good news of James Wapakhabulo's death. It is always a pleasure to celebrate the deaths of the enemies of our freedom. These very enemies of our civilizations. Hahahahahaha, you gotdrunk, forgot your duty, and called in sick. Hahahaha, girl I don't know how many bottles of diet pepsi I drank empty on that day. All I have to say is that it feels good when an enemy dies. All Praises be to Allah. You people are wizards, all of you. Oracha
Re: ugnet_: Yowere Tibuhaburwa(?) M7?
In a message dated 4/6/2004 12:06:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Uganda, which makes up 7% of the population of Uganda...in other words you have Rwandese of Rwanda and you also have Rwandese of Uganda, Congo, Kenya, Burundi and Tanzania...just as you have Acholi and Langi of Sudan and Acholi and Langi of Uganda...so please stop the foolishness and this anti-Rwandese rhetoric. Some of you on this forum are citizens of different countries and your children qualify to hold any electable office of your adopted countries and you don't see anything wrong in that You do not understand what people are saying. It matters a great deal your lineage if you oppress people. If you are really close to them you would have respect for them and act as one of them. museveni is now behaving as a rootless person. Hence, a shot at his loyalty. Oracha
Re: ugnet_: Re: Wapakabulo
In a message dated 4/6/2004 9:42:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oracha: You must be heavy with superstition;wizandry is what you are feeding off. We have no problem celebrating the deaths of our enemies and their puppets I am sure you would be very happy if it was you who died and Wapa celebrated, right? Or are you that immature running around with soiled diaper and still laughing your head of when everyone else is dumbstruck? Oracha
Re: ugnet_: Re: Mulindwa is not Mulindwa! - Can the North survive without the...
Rehema you are so stupid it hurts to even attempt to describe your imbecility. What is your point on the net? I cant believe the kind of stupidity you are spreading on. Stay away from politics if all you talk is north and south. This is not a place for stupid parade of yourself. Oracha
Re: ugnet_: Re: Acholi, Lango, Teso MPs bury differences
In a message dated 3/13/2004 8:40:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Members: Why did Acholi, Lango, Teso MPs refuse to bury (apologize)their differenceswith Luweero people?? How come they have "buried" differences among themselves?? Could this be tribalism at the hightest degree?? I'm beginning to think that Acholi, Lango, Teso MPs are discriminating against Luweero people!! Why is that?? Zakoomu R Rehema: I think you are taking on too many points that are beyond your grasp yet. 1. You do not know what you are talking about. a) Acholi do not have any differences with Luwero people. you and some of your false propagandist are the ones attempting to create a difference between Acholi and so called Luwero people. b) Uganda government is not a protege of Acholi people. c) There has been no pronouncement from Acholi leaders negative towards any other tribes. 2. You could be an agent provocateur on a mission to destroy understandingamong different people. So you need to scale back you rigmarole on Ugandanet. Oracha
Re: ugnet_: Re: Museveni Gives
In a message dated 3/12/2004 3:03:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is common sense! Live in reality and cut down on your common talk! Mr. Oracha you can keep your common talk to yourself! I'm only interested in critical thinkers! And definitely you are not among them! If not, then prove your critical thinking mind to me. I'm waiting. What do you mean by critical thinker? Your writing do not show critical thinking at all. It, however indicates you have accumulated a mass of rubish that you are now going through to see what effect it has on other people. You need to stop that kind of rubbish. oracha
Re: ugnet_: Is Kony due to Luweero Massacres?
In a message dated 3/11/2004 6:26:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Having stated that, as a man born in Luwero I know for a fact that Luwero district is one of the districts with a combination of all tribes, people like Gook are from Luwero district yet they are not Baganda,that leads one to wonder whether Obote really killed those people or it is another statement which must be accepted in absolute as any statement from a Muganda? Mulindwa, I do wonder why I am on Ugandanet! But I believe that my foremost interest is emphaty with other Ugandans. It is a trying experience as many exhibit abhorrent language. From the first few lines I always have enough information to decide what the article is about. Then I make my reply or lack of it. But when I see a fellow Ugandan labor to talk to a wall, I get encouraged. Thank you Oracha
Re: ugnet_: RE: Museveni Gives
In a message dated 3/10/2004 1:00:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you really believe that Buganda believes that Federalism with be returned to Uganda by Museveni?? You must be crazy! No sensible person can believe such a thing! Museveni, like Obote are enemies of Federalism! This is Common Sense! You are no different from aids. Spare us please! Oracha
Re: ugnet_: Re: Museveni Gives 25 Cows To Obote Kin
In a message dated 3/6/2004 11:45:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To discuss matters of interest to Buganda. That is not beggin'! Museveni offers the gifts, he is not asked. How many political leaders can be offered with gifts?? I told that offering gifts to our Kabaka is a matter of tradition. Kabaka is a traditional leader and yes he will get more and more gifts. Alumwa alumwe! You are bogus. Empty. Sycophant. You do not love or respect any kabaka at all. Stop fooling around because you are exposing how rotten Uganda has become! Oli musiro nyo! oracha
Re: ugnet_: Re: Museveni Gives 25 Cows To Obote Kin
In a message dated 3/6/2004 5:28:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mulindwa: Yeah, the Kabakaship is to continue after the death of Museveni. The same way it is continuing after the ousting of Obote and Amin out of Uganda, Buganda. Mulindwa, time will tell and show you the resilience of the Buganda monarchy. A new regime, a new strategical survival tactic for Buganda/Kabakaship. Survivors have got to adopt to the speed of change andnew challenges in life. Zakoomu: I guess we should recognize you as the brilliant Buganda strategist. Otherwise, how else can someone write garbage like this for the rest of Uganda? You are full of shit! That is all you are giving us here on the ugandanet. I suggest that you try bugandanet oracha
Re: ugnet_: Museveni Gives 25 Cows To Obote Kin
In a message dated 3/6/2004 12:54:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yaobang, Buying Obote for what?? Obote can not function at his age! He is of no use to any thinking Ugandan who is looking forward to the future. The Kabaka will never be "bought"; he stays, president after president. Who ever thinks so, is indeed misguided and misinformed, like Obote. You can never ever buy a Kabaka. Obote tried it once, when he offered money to the Ankole, Bunyoro, Tooro, and Busoga monarchies in order to ban them real good, but the Kabaka of Bugandarefused and he was exiled. Obote even wanted to chose who among the princes should take over after Kabaka Muteesa was exiled. Wrong decision - Poor, stupid, Obote! My advice to the anti-Kabaka camps is that, the monarchy of Buganda shall exist no matter what. The monarchy has already proved resilient towards blows (Obote, Amin). People, ya'll better use that energy of yours on something else and leave the Kabaka alone. The Kabaka has us regular folks to back him up no matter what. That is how strong an alliagence can be to our King(s), present and future. Some politicians like Obote, Museveni might think that they are "buying" the Kabaka, but in reality they are to move out and our Prince (Kabaka) is to stay in. A monarchy is a monarchy, unlike seasonal political leadership i.e Obote, Mu7. Mr. Yaobang, come up with a better example of folks being 'bought' by cows or money. I don't know why you people don't understand that Buganda and her Kabakaship are inseparatable. "Buying" something that will never go away, that has always existed is a sick example of how some Ugandans will never get it. Zakoomu R. Zakoomu; Now I really believe that you're really stupid or very childish or don't know what you are doing which again reflect my first observation. Read your posting and consider that not all readers on Ugandanet are Baganda then you will see why i think your are as indicated above. oracha
Re: ugnet_: Are the Days of Prophet Kony numbered?
What year are we in, anyway? How many Kony are we dealing with here? I remeber that Professor Kazini ended the Kony war some years back. Maybe we should consider Museveni's ruling numbered. That is going to waken you up. Oracha
Re: ugnet_: Re: [Ugandacom]
In a message dated 3/3/2004 1:32:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: MPs were shocked at the state of the Entebbe State House with bare rain-socked walls, damaged wooden floors, a gaping ceiling and bare electric wires. There was near disaster when one MP entered a gaping hole on the wooden floor doubling as the ceiling for the ground level. He lay flat on his back as his colleagues helped to pull him out. New Vision Tuesday, 2nd March, 2004 This a typical method used by those who do not expect to live there long and everyday they know it is near (their departures) the less they care about the state house. The money they are demanding is to be stashed away in a foreign account . oracha
Re: ugnet_: Re: [FedsNet] UPC on Federalism
In a message dated 2/26/2004 6:55:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is a fact that the UPC massacred and brutalized us time and again I am tired of hearing these kind of stupid lies. oracha
Re: ugnet_: Re: [FedsNet] UPC on Federalism
In a message dated 2/22/2004 2:52:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That apart, trust me Matek, not many Baganda will folow the Kabaka back to Obote's UPC, should the Kabaka take that route. He will basically be on his own on that one So, why even have a kabaka at all? I do not follow your reasoning. if the kabaka makes a decision and his subjectswill not follow then it meanshe is irrelevant to the political decision in the country. Haven't we been this route before? Oracha
Re: ugnet_: Re: [FedsNet] UPC on Federalism
Musaazi: Where on earth does a father tell his child to put his hand on fire even for the first time, bwana Musaazi? Apart from a father closely watching and guarding a child whom he has attempted to prevent from putting his/her hand into fire, there is no father who can allow his child to get harmed by fire. The only likely scenario is this: child sees fire and is attracted by it. Child begins to crawl towards fire. Father removes the source of fire, if possible, grabs child and moves away from fire with alarm and warning the child of the danger. Child returns towards fire repeatedly against the fathers warnings. Father at last, follows child to source of fire all the time warning the child. Stands close while child puts hand into fire. And at that very time father draws child away from possible harm, hoping that child has noticed the extreme pain beginning to rise as temperature begins to rise. Child has learnt and will never play with fire. Child will now know and respect fire but able to use it light and heat as necessary. Caution never ends from the father or parents by the way. So, now again I will ask you Musaazi, what are you trying to tell us? Your emotion seems to get the better of you at every turn. I am sure Kabaka Mutebi is more enlightened than you and is capable of navigating the political waters better. Consider that Museveni shot his way to power and only came to restore the kabakaship in order to avoid opposition from the Baganda while the DP, UPC now see the kabakaship in a different light. The relationship between the forces now depends on totally different factors and experiences. The choices cannot be made solely on the basis of a past constitutional crises but must consider the current political status throughout Uganda. And to move forward, the Kabaka will have to decide one way or the other to work with one or combinations of the least oppressive alternatives.It is all a part of the learning curve or cycle. The details and aims of the agreement will have to be worked out by the participants knowing full well the consequences. It may start another bush war but result of the struggle will not be the same this time. Hopefully, someone will have learnt better ways of resolving the impasse without war. Oracha In a message dated 2/22/2004 6:17:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My dear friend if a father tells his/her child (the first time) to put his/her hand in a fire and asures him/her that it is safe and the child obediently obliges and gets burnt. Now what do you think will happen if the father came back a second time and told the same child to put his/her hand in fire?. Try it with your child and get back to me with your results. I don't think many Baganda will stand by and be led to the gallows again by anyone.
ugnet_: ON OBOTE, UPC AND UGANDA
There are a lot of lies attributed to Dr. Obote with the intent of making him hated by people. The main aim is to exclude him from the political leadership in the country. Obote has not killed Bagandans but there was a clash between the central government and the Kabaka in which Kabaka forcibly attempted to chase away the central government from Kampala and Buganda. many people who were alive then remember the blocking of roads with logs and other obstacles to defeat the central government. While some would rejoice at the loss of life many people of principle regret such losses. The people who died were Ugandans. Obote attempted at all costs to unite the people of Uganda on the principle that all were created equal. Most of his thinking are summed up in the common charter which enable all Ugandans to feel part of one and fair country. Others saw this as taking away their privileges and so they started labeling Dr. Obote as anti Baganda. Fortunately, only a few people in Buganda have this mentality. Unfortunately, they suppress the other open minded people in the region. Not all Baganda share the same view or subscribe to and submit to the Kabaka. This is normal in any society. So if Dr. Obote is not popular why be afraid of him in an election? Obote has done more for Uganda than any other leader for the short time he was in power. The medical system was a wonder in many parts of Africa. The education system was excellent and the infrastructure was very good. The words that come out that man's mouth galvanizes and motivates people. UPC like any organizations, has some undesirable elements. But that is not Obote. It takes time to straighten the crooked members of any society. Now whenever Museveni stands on the podium, he finds himself so bereft of ideas that he thinks the problem is Dr. Obote. Obote's ghost is everywhere haunting the usurpers of Ugandan's freedom. There is only one way to get rid of Obote and his ghost: Speak a message of unity, bring development everywhere especially the forgotten north respect human lives. You will have successfully got rid of DR. Obote. JOracha
Re: ugnet_: To UPC detractors
In a message dated 2/21/2004 11:43:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mr. Fugee, when you say us...us who? May i remind you Mr. Fugee that any "political show down" will be taking place in Uganda and not in Canada, Britain, or America and Ugandans so far seem un-interested in multiparty politics and it would be foolhardy of President Museveni to abandon that constituent of Ugandans just to satisfy Mr. Rwanyarare and Mr. Okumu. This is why, again as stated in the constitution a referendum will be held and if and when multipartyism is embraced by Ugandans (in Uganda) then as President Bush would say "BRING IT ON" When things change you Musaazi will be the first to complain. What is wrong with you peoples brains? We are talking about the people of Uganda and their freedom. For now you are supporting this holocaust because it give you privileged people the opportunity to go and oppress other part of the country. You do not want multiparty, you stay in you district and let Museveni come and rule you there and see if anybody else care! I do not see how you equate a referendum with the wishes of the ordinary people. You are throwing useless information to the people and then ask them to decide something that is useless to them and you say you are giving them democracy? It sounds like selective repression of rights step by step. You are not even aware of what platform you are campaigning on. What is you party's manifesto? oracha Oracha
Re: ugnet_: RE: [FedsNet] UPC on Federalism
In a message dated 2/20/2004 2:19:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mr. Joracha: Whatever gives you the notion that I have a problem with Northerners (or are you up to your tricks again of trying to put words in my mouth)? In your mind is UPC = Northern Uganda? Pray tell, where in my message did mention anything about the North? Let me state categorically: my problem is with the UPC period -- regardless of where they hail from. They have massacred us on two different occassions (Obote I Obote II), and will do so if given another chance. What part of that don't you understand Mr. Joracha? Ssemakula Ssemakula; I thought you understand the meanings of what you write especially as it pertains to all Ugandans. The language that you use makes it clear that you equate UPC with northerners. You do not care about any other names like Rwanyarare etc. You have not even bothered to find out what UPC preaches and what some people ar perverting. Such reasoning will really help us all get rid of undesirable elements from our leadership. Otherwise, what you have categorically stated is that UPC is norhtern led and you do not like it come rain or sunshine. I was hoping that you would refer me to relevant parts of the constitution or party manifestos but I was mistaken. I say you are not helping Uganda at all. No offense meant but would appreciate a more balanced arguments in search of our lost unity. Oracha
Re: ugnet_: RE: [FedsNet] UPC on Federalism
Semakula: Apparently everything that you have said has been done by the present regime more than the past. So where do we go from here as Uganda from different parts of the same country? Do you think your method will solve uganda's problem as a nation? Do you think it would be a good idea to cut off the northerners beyond a certain line so that no one can cross that line? There is however a possibility that you are not yet mature enough to talk about the affairs of country with so many diverse culture and people as Uganda. I wonder wheter you know why we have constitution. Just think, or try to think a little bit this time, and you may find that the solution to the problem is being treated equal in the eyes of the law. Kong watemu do en ryeko wu ni! In a message dated 2/19/2004 2:33:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'dn't trust the UPC further than I can throw them -- which is not very far; nor give their lies any currency. Unfortunately, while DP undergoes its re-birth, the UPC are lurching onto the very ideas we have long advocated, especially federalism based on economically viable units/states -- ideas that the UPC have in the past worked tirelessly to destroy, hinder and/or otherwise obsfucate. It is encumbate (sp) upon all of us to keep remindind Ugandans, especially the UB40s, on UPC's well-documented role in causing chaos in Uganda on two separate occassions: Obote I and Obote II. UPC is our enemy, nor matter how they package themselves. Remember Naakulabye! Remember the infamous killing fields of 'Luweero Triangle'! Remember 'Panda Gari'! Remember 1966!, etc, etc. Never, never again!
