Re: Documentation [was: Re: v8 DP3]

2015-08-28 Thread Richmond

On 08/28/2015 09:27 AM, Peter TB Brett wrote:

On 2015-08-28 08:20, Richmond wrote:

On 08/27/2015 11:39 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

On 8/27/2015 2:33 PM, Peter TB Brett wrote:

Since it's so desperately in need of improvement, and you have such a
good idea of how it can be made better, perhaps you could help out?


I love UK understatement. As one of those rude Americans I would 
have said, Okay Richmond, put your money where your mouth is, or 
maybe, put up or shut up.


We're such an...assertive...culture.



Indeed you are! But I'm also an assertive sort of chap, so I will say:

Yes! I will edit those bits that I feel are lacking, and work on the
assumption that others will be
doing the same!


Awesome.  Community contributions to the open source package are 
always really welcome.


I'll do what I can to work with you and ensure that documentation 
changes get incorporated quickly and efficiently.


   Peter



Well: as an almost complete moron in certain respects, I would be 
grateful if you could outline a way to edit
the documents at 
https://github.com/runrev/livecode-ide/tree/develop/Documentation/guides 
and submit them after

the editing . . . does this involve setting up my own github branch

Richmond.

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Re: Documentation [was: Re: v8 DP3]

2015-08-28 Thread Peter TB Brett

On 2015-08-28 08:20, Richmond wrote:

On 08/27/2015 11:39 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

On 8/27/2015 2:33 PM, Peter TB Brett wrote:

Since it's so desperately in need of improvement, and you have such a
good idea of how it can be made better, perhaps you could help out?


I love UK understatement. As one of those rude Americans I would have 
said, Okay Richmond, put your money where your mouth is, or maybe, 
put up or shut up.


We're such an...assertive...culture.



Indeed you are! But I'm also an assertive sort of chap, so I will say:

Yes! I will edit those bits that I feel are lacking, and work on the
assumption that others will be
doing the same!


Awesome.  Community contributions to the open source package are always 
really welcome.


I'll do what I can to work with you and ensure that documentation 
changes get incorporated quickly and efficiently.


   Peter

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Re: Documentation [was: Re: v8 DP3]

2015-08-28 Thread Peter W A Wood

 On 28 Aug 2015, at 15:15, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Well: as an almost complete newcomer to Github, I would be grateful if you 
 could outline a way to edit
 the documents at 
 https://github.com/runrev/livecode-ide/tree/develop/Documentation/guides 
 https://github.com/runrev/livecode-ide/tree/develop/Documentation/guides 
 and submit them after
 the editing . . . does this involve setting up my own github branch

Yes. You will need a Github account and then fork the Github repository. You 
can then edit the documents on-line. Once you have finished editing the 
documents, you will need to create a Pull Request. The LiveCode team will then 
decide whether to accept or decline your changes.

One thing that is needed for your changes to be accepted is to for you to enter 
into a contributor’s agreement http://livecode.com/account/developer/contribute 
http://livecode.com/account/developer/contribute

You can make better use of Git by downloading the repository onto your own 
machine. I was able to do that quite easily by following this 
https://help.github.com/categories/bootcamp/ 
https://help.github.com/categories/bootcamp/

I have no doubt that you will breeze though the process.

Peter

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Re: Documentation [was: Re: v8 DP3]

2015-08-28 Thread Richmond

On 08/27/2015 11:39 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

On 8/27/2015 2:33 PM, Peter TB Brett wrote:

Since it's so desperately in need of improvement, and you have such a
good idea of how it can be made better, perhaps you could help out?


I love UK understatement. As one of those rude Americans I would have 
said, Okay Richmond, put your money where your mouth is, or maybe, 
put up or shut up.


We're such an...assertive...culture.



Indeed you are! But I'm also an assertive sort of chap, so I will say:

Yes! I will edit those bits that I feel are lacking, and work on the 
assumption that others will be

doing the same!

Richmond.

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Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-28 Thread Richmond

On 08/27/2015 10:41 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:

You did the obvious, and restarted LC after placing the plugin right?  If
you didn't restart lc, and you don't want to, an easy way to force a
re-read of the plugins folder is to go into the plugin settings.  You don't
have to do anything, just going to the settings dialog forced the re-read.


I looked in the settings dialogue as you suggested, and there it is,
but it still does not up in the Plugins menu; instead it loads as
a small palette.

Thanks.

Richmond.




On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com
wrote:


On 08/27/2015 09:02 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


Kay C Lan wrote:


On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 9:03 AM, RunRevPlanet wrote:


None of my comments are from the perspective that enabling LiveCode
to use an external editor is a bad thing.

So we agree then. As Richard said, choice is a good thing.


More that for a cross platform IDE, written in it's supported
language, to have an inadequate text editor is a very bad look

Again, we agree.


and turns programmers away.

Only if they don't have a choice to use something better.

Choice is useful only so long as it's a choice, rather than a requirement.

It would hardly be an INTEGRATED development environment if it didn't
have a script editor.

Moreover, a script editor is a very good example of the sort of thing
LiveCode can do very well.

And best of all, AFAIK no one in the company is thinking about shipping
LC without a script editor.

Given all this, making the current script editor robust and performant
would logically seem among the highest priorities, since a good SE makes
the product a joy to use and a poor SE makes LC look bad.  In short, the
choice is to either make more money or less, to the degree that the SE is
solid and enjoyable.  After all, it's the one part of the IDE everyone uses
most often.

Along the way, reinstating an updated version of MetaCard's support for
external editors would be useful AS AN OPTION, and probably something the
community could deliver.

To make the latter work well we'll want formatting and colorization
plugins for as many third party editors as we can make them for - again,
best done by the community since each of us has our own favorite so each of
us may be motivated to write a LiveCode add-on for it.

This page at Ken Ray's site discusses how external editors can be used in
LC, with links to various LC-specific modules (though some of these may
need to be updated):
http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/livecode/downloads/stsMLXEditor.htm



Well: I've just downloaded the stsMLXEditor and placed it in the
/livecodecommunity-7.0.6 (x86_64)/Plugins/ folder and it does
not show up in /Development/Plugins in the 7.0.6 menu . . .

Richmond.

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A question about differences in performance between Mac and Windows

2015-08-28 Thread jbv
Hi list

I have a standalone used as a frontal for requests to a DB. The results
are compressed and base64encoded by a LC script on the server, and the
standalone displays them in a table field after base64decode and
decompress.
On Mac, the process takes 0.25 second to 1 second (when the amount of data
is important).
On Windows 7, it takes at least 3 to 4 secs, no matter how much data.

Is there any rational explanation for that, and possibly a way to speed up
things on Windows ?
My guess is that some system librairies are called for base64decode and
decompress, which are significantly slower on Windows...

Thanks
jbv


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Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-28 Thread Kay C Lan
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Peter TB Brett peter.br...@livecode.com
wrote:

I was bored one evening (in my spare time) and decided to explore adding
 new syntax highlighting rules to Atom.


Now wonder the story isn't more exciting. You really need to get out more
;-)
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Re: Documentation [was: Re: v8 DP3]

2015-08-28 Thread Richmond

On 08/28/2015 12:28 PM, Richmond wrote:

On 08/28/2015 12:21 PM, Peter TB Brett wrote:



On 28/08/2015 10:11, Richmond wrote:

On 08/28/2015 10:28 AM, Peter W A Wood wrote:


You can make better use of Git by downloading the repository onto your
own machine. I was able to do that quite easily by following this
https://help.github.com/categories/bootcamp/
https://help.github.com/categories/bootcamp/

I have no doubt that you will breeze though the process.


I very much doubt it: I downloaded GIT,

told GIT my name ('richmond'),

told GIT my email ('richmondmathew...@gmail.com'),

and then got stuck:

https://help.github.com/articles/set-up-git/#next-steps-authenticating-with-github-from-git 




so; where is GIT


Exactly which step are you stuck on?

 Peter

https://help.github.com/articles/which-remote-url-should-i-use/#cloning-with-https-recommended 



When you view a repository while signed in to your account

First of all, where do I find the GIT interface on my computer so that 
I can log into it, or,


for the sake of argument, how can I log into the GitHub using Atom 
(which I installed just before breakfast),

clone stuff and get to work?

Richmond.


Or, put another way; will Atom work as a Git GUI?

I am downloading a selection of Linux Git GUIs which all look far more 
primitive than Atom . . .



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iOS scrolling groups problem?

2015-08-28 Thread Alan Stenhouse
I have a problem with an iOS scroller on a group.

It seems to somehow make the app non-reactive (locked up) after some 
resizeStack messages where I change the layout from portrait to landscape.

I *suspect* that it may be when setting the vScroll of the group - but not 
totally sure and so far have not been able to track it down.

Has anyone else noticed something similar?

Am using LC 6.7.6.

Debugging mobile is still really a pain at times...

cheers

Alan
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Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-28 Thread Peter TB Brett



On 28/08/2015 09:17, Kay C Lan wrote:

I don't use Atom but from some recent posting it appears that some kind of
LC/Atom connection has been made. I wonder if that may have been driven by
the amount of time the LC Team spend at Github and Atom is the Github team
developed Text Editor? Guess I better check it out.


I'm afraid the story isn't that exciting...

I was bored one evening (in my spare time) and decided to explore 
adding new syntax highlighting rules to Atom.  Then the LCB package sort 
of happened, then people started using it.


I use Emacs as my primary editor.

   Peter

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Re: Documentation [was: Re: v8 DP3]

2015-08-28 Thread Richmond

On 08/28/2015 12:21 PM, Peter TB Brett wrote:



On 28/08/2015 10:11, Richmond wrote:

On 08/28/2015 10:28 AM, Peter W A Wood wrote:


You can make better use of Git by downloading the repository onto your
own machine. I was able to do that quite easily by following this
https://help.github.com/categories/bootcamp/
https://help.github.com/categories/bootcamp/

I have no doubt that you will breeze though the process.


I very much doubt it: I downloaded GIT,

told GIT my name ('richmond'),

told GIT my email ('richmondmathew...@gmail.com'),

and then got stuck:

https://help.github.com/articles/set-up-git/#next-steps-authenticating-with-github-from-git 




so; where is GIT


Exactly which step are you stuck on?

 Peter


https://help.github.com/articles/which-remote-url-should-i-use/#cloning-with-https-recommended

When you view a repository while signed in to your account

First of all, where do I find the GIT interface on my computer so that I 
can log into it, or,


for the sake of argument, how can I log into the GitHub using Atom 
(which I installed just before breakfast),

clone stuff and get to work?

Richmond.

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Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-28 Thread Kay C Lan
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 3:49 PM, RunRevPlanet f...@smpcsupport.com wrote:


 One of the promoted strengths of LiveCode is that it is live coding. In
 other
 words I can make a change in my script and immediately see the effect.

 Now while I understand the virtues of using the external text editor of
 your
 choice. With your example of XCode and an external editor, is it possible
 to set
 breakpoints and single step through the code in your preferred external
 editor?


Well yes and no. As has already been pointed out, because of the long
standing undercurrent that people have longed for a SE with better text
manipulation capabilities, several attempts have been made by individuals
to achieve that. I've used Ken's stsMLXEditor a long time ago and it
allowed me to use my favourite text editor which allowed me to place
breakpoints anywhere I wanted. Like GLX2, which I like very much, they both
handed back debugging to Rev/LC. I have no problem with that - Text Editor
for text manipulation, debugger for debugging.

The problem though, was that stsMLXEditor was a bit of a patch job which
needed a better mechanism to track the changes and transfer those back and
forth - that improvement can only be done from the mothership. GLX2 used an
improved mechanism but only bought a handful of improved Text Editing tools
to the table - better than the inbuilt SE but no match for my favourite.
What both of these proved is that it is possible.

I don't use Atom but from some recent posting it appears that some kind of
LC/Atom connection has been made. I wonder if that may have been driven by
the amount of time the LC Team spend at Github and Atom is the Github team
developed Text Editor? Guess I better check it out.

And just to be clear, I've never suggested that LC should not have an SE,
it most definitely must, and as Richmond has suggested it's lack of bloat
is probably ideal for the new to programming or hobbyist level programmer.
My comments have only suggested the ability to use an external TE would be
a worthwhile enhancement as it would mean 'professional' programmers might
feel a little more comfortable and be a little more productive using tools
they are already familiar with.
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Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-28 Thread Kay C Lan
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com
wrote:


I would be most interested to see a *coherent and numbered list* of these
 issues
 rather than a chorus of people saying how awful the scriptEditor is.


Off the top of my head:

1) copy  paste via keyboard
How many times have you copied from somewhere external and you can't
use the keyboard to paste it into LC. Either you need to use the mouse+menu
or the data isn't even there - in which case I find myself pasting the data
into a text editor, copying it again and then pasting into LC. (this is
more a long standing bug of LC and not just the SE)

2) customiseable keyboard shortcuts
It's just nice and convenient to be able to allocate ANY of EVERY
single menu item a keyboard shortcut. Time saver.

3) more script space, less wasted space
Because the SE doubles as the debugger it has a LOT of wasted space. I
want my SE to be 90% text, the rest tools and nicities, like my TE. I want
my debugger sort of the opposite, 40% script and the rest debugging info -
typically I can't see enough variable values. As someone else pointed out,
why can't I view Variables and breakpoints concurently when debugging? Why
does the Error message need as much space as the Variable viewer? I've
never seen one that's taken up more than two lines, and even then it could
all be displayed on one line. Effecient workspace.

4) autocompletion
The flexibility of not using explicit variables with the safety net of
spelling them correctly all the time. Time saver.

5) spellchecking
Can load custom dictionaries so whilst mine generally checks I spell
colour correctly, for LC work I can make sure I spell it the other way.
Time saver.

6) boilerplates
I can type in switch and a little popup will come up with switch3,
switch3d, switch4, switch4d,... switch9, switch9d. I can either click on
one or type switch5d and press return and a bare switch statement with 5
case entries will be created for me including the default structure. If I
didn't specify the d at the end, no default structure is included. Actually
99% of the time I use the switch default structure as a place to catch
logic errors so my boiler place includes:
default
answer A Case I Haven't Considered. Check the Variables. titled
Switch Case Error
breakpoint
end switch

All typed out for me automatically. Time Saver

7) Inbuilt scripting
Strange that for a scripting language this is listed. Take this SQL
statement:

SELECT * FROM table WHERE f1 = AA AND f2 = BB AND f3 = DD

if I need to do this:

put SELECT * FROM table WHERE f1 = AA AND f2 = BB AND f3 = DD
into tQuery

it will not work because of the quotes in SQL have a different meaning
to LC so I need to replace all those  with   quote   - except the
first and last . Yes, I appreciate I could do it manually with Find and
Replace but that's slow, or I can modify LC to allow me to run a script to
do that selective replacement similar to what I do in my TE, but I'm just
surprised at how much easier it is to do im my TE and just a keystroke a
way. Time saver.

8) folding
The ability to collapse a handler, control structure, multiline
comments down to a single line - an absolute godsend. Again I want the text
I'm interested in to cover 90% or more of my screen. So many times,
portions of what I'm focusing on are spread over just more than what is
displayed in the SE - why is that? Copy and paste into my TE and most of
the time I'm sweet, but often enough I wish I was able to collapse a 5 case
switch statments down to a single line and remove the 4 line comment
because then what I need to be looking at would all be viewable. Can be
done with other languages. You wont appreciate it until you've used it.

9) bracket pairing
How many times has your code been in error because of a mismatch in
brackets? Every TE worth it's salt provides some sort of indication of
bracket pairing, not just whilst you type the brackets, but also you can
come back and click on a bracket and it's mate will be hilighted. Also, an
unmatched bracket is highlited immediately, not when you go to Apply/Save.
Time saver.

10) search and replace remembered
The last 10 searches and replacements are stored, although I think
that's only because I set it to 10. As most of my search and replace are
regex, and I'm NOT very good at it, having these saved is extremely
convenient. Nice feature.

11) regex search pattern validation
Any serious work with text will at some time require a bit of regex.
Whilst building regex search and replace patterns my TE automatically
validates the code. To be fair, LC has a built in Regex Builder so you can
test your regex prior to use, but this isn't quite as nice as having it
automatically check your Find or Replace box entry. Nice feature

12) regex manual
Because I don't do too much regex, unless it's very basic I always need
to refer to a syntax manual. My TE has one built 

Re: Documentation [was: Re: v8 DP3]

2015-08-28 Thread Peter TB Brett



On 28/08/2015 10:11, Richmond wrote:

On 08/28/2015 10:28 AM, Peter W A Wood wrote:


You can make better use of Git by downloading the repository onto your
own machine. I was able to do that quite easily by following this
https://help.github.com/categories/bootcamp/
https://help.github.com/categories/bootcamp/

I have no doubt that you will breeze though the process.


I very much doubt it: I downloaded GIT,

told GIT my name ('richmond'),

told GIT my email ('richmondmathew...@gmail.com'),

and then got stuck:

https://help.github.com/articles/set-up-git/#next-steps-authenticating-with-github-from-git


so; where is GIT


Exactly which step are you stuck on?

 Peter

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LiveCode Engine Development Team

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Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-28 Thread Richmond



On 08/28/2015 01:30 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com
wrote:


I would be most interested to see a *coherent and numbered list* of these

issues
rather than a chorus of people saying how awful the scriptEditor is.


Off the top of my head:

1) copy  paste via keyboard
 How many times have you copied from somewhere external and you can't
use the keyboard to paste it into LC. Either you need to use the mouse+menu
or the data isn't even there - in which case I find myself pasting the data
into a text editor, copying it again and then pasting into LC. (this is
more a long standing bug of LC and not just the SE)


Something very odd indeed on the Linux side: I can not copy script 
directly into an
office suite or the ThunderBird e-mail client (which I would like to be 
able to do):I have
to copy-paste into a bog-basic text editor, and then copy-paste from the 
text editor into whatever, losing all the contextual colouring along the 
way.


My point of comparison is with LC 4.5 on a PPC Mac running 10.5.7, where 
I can copy-paste
back-and-forth to my heart's content into Appleworks 6 or Clarisworks 5 
keeping

colourisation.



2) customiseable keyboard shortcuts
 It's just nice and convenient to be able to allocate ANY of EVERY
single menu item a keyboard shortcut. Time saver.


Not sure if that is the scriptEditor as such, or the IDE in general.



3) more script space, less wasted space
 Because the SE doubles as the debugger it has a LOT of wasted space. I
want my SE to be 90% text, the rest tools and nicities, like my TE. I want
my debugger sort of the opposite, 40% script and the rest debugging info -
typically I can't see enough variable values. As someone else pointed out,
why can't I view Variables and breakpoints concurently when debugging? Why
does the Error message need as much space as the Variable viewer? I've
never seen one that's taken up more than two lines, and even then it could
all be displayed on one line. Effecient workspace.


You can drag the sections about: I normally have my scriptEditortaking 
up almost

everything except for 1 line of the debugger.


4) autocompletion
 The flexibility of not using explicit variables with the safety net of
spelling them correctly all the time. Time saver.


Yes and No: I turn off autocompletion in my office suites as do not like 
the things second-guessing my intentions; especially as the suggestions 
are often-as-not different to my

intentions.



5) spellchecking
 Can load custom dictionaries so whilst mine generally checks I spell
colour correctly, for LC work I can make sure I spell it the other way.
Time saver.


Yuck.  Maybe JUST for LiveCode reserved words, so the thing doesn't get 
in the way

of words such as 'colour' and 'sceptical'.



6) boilerplates
 I can type in switch and a little popup will come up with switch3,
switch3d, switch4, switch4d,... switch9, switch9d. I can either click on
one or type switch5d and press return and a bare switch statement with 5
case entries will be created for me including the default structure. If I
didn't specify the d at the end, no default structure is included. Actually
99% of the time I use the switch default structure as a place to catch
logic errors so my boiler place includes:
 default
 answer A Case I Haven't Considered. Check the Variables. titled
Switch Case Error
 breakpoint
 end switch

All typed out for me automatically. Time Saver

7) Inbuilt scripting
 Strange that for a scripting language this is listed. Take this SQL
statement:

 SELECT * FROM table WHERE f1 = AA AND f2 = BB AND f3 = DD

 if I need to do this:

 put SELECT * FROM table WHERE f1 = AA AND f2 = BB AND f3 = DD
into tQuery

 it will not work because of the quotes in SQL have a different meaning
to LC so I need to replace all those  with   quote   - except the
first and last . Yes, I appreciate I could do it manually with Find and
Replace but that's slow, or I can modify LC to allow me to run a script to
do that selective replacement similar to what I do in my TE, but I'm just
surprised at how much easier it is to do im my TE and just a keystroke a
way. Time saver.


Indeed, that whole thing about 'quote' is a major pain in the bum.



8) folding
 The ability to collapse a handler, control structure, multiline
comments down to a single line - an absolute godsend. Again I want the text
I'm interested in to cover 90% or more of my screen. So many times,
portions of what I'm focusing on are spread over just more than what is
displayed in the SE - why is that? Copy and paste into my TE and most of
the time I'm sweet, but often enough I wish I was able to collapse a 5 case
switch statments down to a single line and remove the 4 line comment
because then what I need to be looking at would all be viewable. Can be
done with other languages. You wont appreciate it until you've used it.

9) bracket pairing

RE: iOS scrolling groups problem?

2015-08-28 Thread John Dixon
Would you post your resizeStack script

 From: alanstenho...@hotmail.com
 Subject: iOS scrolling groups problem?
 Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 12:06:08 +0200
 To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
 
 I have a problem with an iOS scroller on a group.
 
 It seems to somehow make the app non-reactive (locked up) after some 
 resizeStack messages where I change the layout from portrait to landscape.
 
 I *suspect* that it may be when setting the vScroll of the group - but not 
 totally sure and so far have not been able to track it down.
 
 Has anyone else noticed something similar?
 
 Am using LC 6.7.6.


  
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Re: Documentation [was: Re: v8 DP3]

2015-08-28 Thread Richmond

On 08/28/2015 10:28 AM, Peter W A Wood wrote:

On 28 Aug 2015, at 15:15, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:

Well: as an almost complete newcomer to Github, I would be grateful if you 
could outline a way to edit
the documents at 
https://github.com/runrev/livecode-ide/tree/develop/Documentation/guides 
https://github.com/runrev/livecode-ide/tree/develop/Documentation/guides and 
submit them after
the editing . . . does this involve setting up my own github branch

Yes. You will need a Github account and then fork the Github repository. You 
can then edit the documents on-line. Once you have finished editing the 
documents, you will need to create a Pull Request. The LiveCode team will then 
decide whether to accept or decline your changes.

One thing that is needed for your changes to be accepted is to for you to enter into 
a contributor’s agreement http://livecode.com/account/developer/contribute 
http://livecode.com/account/developer/contribute

You can make better use of Git by downloading the repository onto your own machine. I 
was able to do that quite easily by following this 
https://help.github.com/categories/bootcamp/ 
https://help.github.com/categories/bootcamp/

I have no doubt that you will breeze though the process.


I very much doubt it: I downloaded GIT,

told GIT my name ('richmond'),

told GIT my email ('richmondmathew...@gmail.com'),

and then got stuck:

https://help.github.com/articles/set-up-git/#next-steps-authenticating-with-github-from-git

so; where is GIT

Richmond.


Peter

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Re: A question about differences in performance between Mac and Windows

2015-08-28 Thread Roger Eller
Are the machines equal in CPU, network card, connection speed, etc.?  Is
the PC real or virtual on the Mac?  What is the database type?
On Aug 28, 2015 5:34 AM, j...@souslelogo.com wrote:

 Hi list

 I have a standalone used as a frontal for requests to a DB. The results
 are compressed and base64encoded by a LC script on the server, and the
 standalone displays them in a table field after base64decode and
 decompress.
 On Mac, the process takes 0.25 second to 1 second (when the amount of data
 is important).
 On Windows 7, it takes at least 3 to 4 secs, no matter how much data.

 Is there any rational explanation for that, and possibly a way to speed up
 things on Windows ?
 My guess is that some system librairies are called for base64decode and
 decompress, which are significantly slower on Windows...

 Thanks
 jbv


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Re: Documentation [was: Re: v8 DP3

2015-08-28 Thread Ali Lloyd
Hi James,
The format is indeed not straight markdown but more like YAML. The
Description element is the only part of it which is straight markdown.

You can find a complete description of the format in the Extending Livecode
guide in the dictionary, in the Specifications section.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 3:02 PM James Hale ja...@thehales.id.au wrote:

 I too was interested in helping with the documentation but am a tad
 confused about its format.
 It is not quite straight markdown, at least as far as any markdown editors
 I have put it through.
 Also I had a look at the viewer.html and was blown away at how complicated
 it was.
 Not that we need to deal with it, but given that it doesn't quite seem to
 be able to translate the markdown of the documentation fully perhaps we
 need more info on the required formatting.
 As an example have a look at what it does to the htmltext entry. Things
 are fine until halfway through it and then things go awry.

 BTW the JavaScript for the dictionary uses a hover function for the found
 entries. Lovely effect on a desktop, disaster on a touch device. Surely I
 am not the only one who likes to use a touch device to read the web, and
 yes, the documentation.

 James



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Re: A question about differences in performance between Mac and Windows

2015-08-28 Thread jbv
 Are the machines equal in CPU, network card, connection speed, etc.?  Is
 the PC real or virtual on the Mac?  What is the database type?
 On Aug 28, 2015 5:34 AM, j...@souslelogo.com wrote:



yes, the machines are pretty similar in terms of hardware, and in my tests
both the iMac and the PC (real) are connected in the same way to the same
adsl box.
Besides, I have several clients using the same app on iMac or Win7 on various
connections in various cities nationwide, and they all experience the same
difference in performance...

jbv


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Mail and Sage - Problem sending

2015-08-28 Thread PystCat
Is anyone else having a problem sending email from Sage..?  I can suddenly 
receive mail but I can't send it... I keep getting the standard Mail Delivery 
Failed - Will Try Again message.  This happens with ALL email I send from Sage.

Does anyone know the support email address for On-Rev..?  I keep sending (from 
a different email) to on-...@runrev.com but not getting any response.

Thanks
Paul 




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Re: What is this - is anyone making money?

2015-08-28 Thread Bob Sneidar
I have not commercially distributed anything I have written. I have however 
written apps for the work I do for my company. They recently decided to adopt 
my Forms Generator in their workflow, which makes me somewhat of a needed 
commodity for them. I'm not sure how to put a price on that.

I have purchased Livecode over the years, ever since Revolution 2.0, because it 
is in my interests for RunRev to continue to support this product, else I am 
completely out of the software development business. I simply do not have the 
time or patience to use other products.

Bob S


On Aug 19, 2015, at 13:45 , Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D 
matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.demailto:matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de 
wrote:

I am pretty sure there are many who made and still make money with Livecode 
apps.

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Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-28 Thread Richard Gaskin

Kay C Lan wrote:


The problem though, was that stsMLXEditor was a bit of a patch job which
needed a better mechanism to track the changes and transfer those back and
forth - that improvement can only be done from the mothership.


What's needed?

Let's make it so.

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Re: SFTP support [was: Re: Distribute beta versions of iOS app]

2015-08-28 Thread Bob Sneidar
It is also , unfortunately, the abbreviation for Simple File Transfer Protocol:

Simple File Transfer Protocol

Simple File Transfer Protocol (the second protocol abbreviated SFTP), as 
defined by RFC 913, was proposed as an (unsecured) file transfer protocol with 
a level of complexity intermediate between TFTP and FTP. It was never widely 
accepted on the Internet, and is now assigned Historic status by the IETF. It 
runs through port 115, and often receives the initialism of SFTP. It has a 
command set of 11 commands and support three types of data transmission: ASCII, 
binary and continuous. For systems with a word size that is a multiple of 8 
bits, the implementation of binary and continuous is the same. The protocol 
also supports login with user ID and password, hierarchical folders and file 
management (including rename, delete, upload, download, download with 
overwrite, and download with append).

Who is running this circus anyway? ;-)

Bob S


 On Aug 18, 2015, at 14:33 , Peter TB Brett peter.br...@livecode.com wrote:
 
 SFTP is not FTPS or FTP.  It's an unrelated file transfer protocol that runs 
 over Secure Shell (SSH).  


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Re: Quick Challenge

2015-08-28 Thread Bob Sneidar
Stop showing off Richmond! ;-P

Bob S


 On Aug 27, 2015, at 08:39 , Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Lots of clever answers . . .
 
 Now try with this text:
 
 Քրիստոնէութեան սկիզբը Հայոց համար եղաւ նաեւ մտքի լուսաւորութեան 
 սկիզբնաւորութիւնը. Մեր մէջ առաջին դպրոցները Լուսաւորչի աշխատանքով 
 հաստատուեցան: Սակայն Սուրբ Գրիգորի հիմնած դպրոցները ազգային կրթութեան համար 
 չէին եւ չէին ալ կրնար ըլլալ, նախ այն պատճառով` որ այնտեղ տրուած ուսումը օտար 
 (ասորերէն եւ յունարէն) լեզուներով էր, եւ երկրորդ` անոր համար որ անոնց գլխաւոր 
 նպատակն էր Աւետարանի քարոզիչներ եւ եկեղեցական պաշտօնեաներ պատրաստել
 
 Before anyone asks, this is Armenian.
 
 Richmond.
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Re: screen readers

2015-08-28 Thread Bob Sneidar
I have a bin like that. Mine is more like those tiny little circular cans under 
most people's desk. Yours is probably the size of New York.

Bob S


On Aug 26, 2015, at 13:14 , Trevor DeVore 
li...@mangomultimedia.commailto:li...@mangomultimedia.com wrote:

For me it is one of those things that I would like to have but isn't
absolutely necessary. That means it sits in that little bin In my
brain marked Maybe someday

--
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Re: LC8 IDE publish-and-subscribe

2015-08-28 Thread Mark Wieder

On 08/28/2015 02:31 PM, Ali Lloyd wrote:


Oops, didn't see the Q part of the message! Yes, your assumption is correct.


Great! That's exciting! (and that's the first time I've said that about LC8)

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Re: embed CR in constant

2015-08-28 Thread Mark Wieder

On 08/28/2015 07:47 AM, Mike Kerner wrote:

constant embedCRInConstant = aCRb

throws an error.  Suggestions?


I first logged this as a bug in 2004.
(http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1241)
The current bug number is 12802, and the other reports (1241, 3680, 
8737, 13955) have been resolved as duplicates of that one, although 
the resolved status of the many bug reports is somewhat in question.


You can now use negative numbers as constants. That seems to be fixed in 
build 7.0-rc1. Otherwise constants can only be strings or numbers.


The way I get around this is by defining ersatzConstants:

local kConstantButNotReally = 

-- initialize it in preOpenStack
 put some_value into kConstantButNotReally
-- then treat it like a constant

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Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-28 Thread Kay C Lan
Oh, and just a slight tangent.

I've seen it mentioned before but it hadn't really registered until I was
playing with LC8 yesterday, but the new 'Script only Stack' would seem to
be the perfect beast to offer up as a guinea pig for Text Editor
integration. If my assumptions* are correct (unlikely) then there will be
only a single block of text involved which would greatly simplify the
tracking and sync process.

Get TE Integration to work on Script only Stacks first, and once sorted,
move on to any stack.

*I'm assuming there are no objects, so you can't have button, field, front
or back scripts. No card script? Is there ONLY one stack script?
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ATTN: Mario Noto

2015-08-28 Thread Mark Wieder

My PowerDebug update email announcement to you bounced.
Please send me updated contact info to be notified of releases.

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ATTN: Ed Gore

2015-08-28 Thread Mark Wieder

My PowerDebug update email announcement to you bounced.
Please send me updated contact info to be notified of releases.

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Re: embed CR in constant

2015-08-28 Thread Mark Wieder

On 08/28/2015 09:31 AM, dunb...@aol.com wrote:


on MouseUp
  get A  CR  B
  constant embedCRInConstant = it
end mouseUp


No. You can't do that.

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Re: Script Editor future (was Open Source Kickstarter Report Card)

2015-08-28 Thread Kay C Lan
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:46 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com
 wrote:

 Kay C Lan wrote:

 a better mechanism to track the changes and transfer those back and
 forth - that improvement can only be done from the mothership.


 What's needed?

 Let's make it so.


Love the positive attitude :-)

From memory stsMLXEditor was written when the SE was a seperate animal to
the Debugger, hence:

The external editor will not open a script if the IDE script editor window
 is open.


I think when the SE and Debugger merged stsMLXEditor became less useful
because it was no longer possible to have just the Debugger open and my TE.
I haven't had a look for quite a while, so maybe I need to give it another
whirl and see - although it looks as though a few others are giving it a go
so maybe they'll come up with some constructive criticisms.

And in the interest of Full Disclosure, when I said 'Well yes and no' to my
TE letting me add breakpoints, the Yes was because 99.9% of the time I use
breakpoint hard coded in my scripts. I've played with Red Dots but I've
had them ignored on too many occasions so I've given up on them and just
use breakpoint. I appreciate that others use the Red Dots all the time
and have far more success with them. I appreciate that they are far more
powerful that a hard coded breakpoint because they can be conditional. So
there would need to be a way to implement Red Dots for those who like them.

IMO, basic Red Dots are the same as a hard breakpoint. In my TE I type
cmd-B and I get breakpoint typed out for me - it's faster than grabbing
the mouse and clicking on the screen. As a suggestion, conditional
waypoints would require something like typing out: breakpointCondtional if
tVar = garbage then breakpoint. In this case it would require the LC Team
to parse breakpointConditional into a Conditional Red Dot. And vice versa.

I think at the moment Red Dots are probably the biggest issue because if
you modify blocks of script that contain Red Dots, with blocks of text with
a different line count, then the Red Dots are deactivated and typically
will no longer match the line they were originally attached to.

As you've noted, colourisation is a personal thing. Some find it
distracting, others helpful. My TE currently doesn't have the same
colourisation capabilities as the SE does so it would be nice if brought
into line. I understand Peter added LC colourisation to the Atom Editor.
Again I need to have a look at that some time. Interestingly, whilst I
normally do like colourisation, when ever I do get a very long script line
that fails due to some misplaced , a quick copy and paste in to my TE
quickly reveals the culprit because the more basic colourisation of my TE
allows the error to be pinpointed more quickly. If my TE matched the SE
colourisation, then this wouldn't work.
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Re: Button Names on top of their icon?

2015-08-28 Thread Scott Rossi
Hi Bramanatha:

iconGravity is documented -- the property isn't part of the inspector, but
you can look it up in the Dictionary (I see it was introduced in 6.7).

Best Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 8/28/15, 8:17 PM, Brahmanathaswami bra...@hindu.org wrote:

@ Scott: iconGravity: wow... undocumented feature and this really should
be exposed in the button inspector.. it works.



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Re: Button Names on top of their icon?

2015-08-28 Thread Brahmanathaswami
@ Scott: iconGravity: wow... undocumented feature and this really should 
be exposed in the button inspector.. it works.


@ Paul: setting the pattern works.

So far so good, but but the issue is also the vertical alignment of the 
button name:


Solution: Set the pattern to the image... set the rect of the button to 
exactly the rect of the image and you will clean up any appearance of 
the image repeated along the edges (it's a pattern); then use the 
textProperty/margins of the button to position the name to center it on 
the button. hurray!


Long story:

In both cases.. the default vertical center line of the name of the 
button is shifted down from the actual vertical center of the button  
itself -- and, now,  the icon therein. The engine algorithm seems to be: 
hang the text from the top of the m height (top of the lower case 
letters)  on the center line of the button. this seems to be, from my 
tests sticky , ... as you change size of the type for the name... it 
consistently places the text with the top of the lower case letters 
aligned to the vertical center of the button


Now... we have this  in the dictionary as a possible way to tweak 
positioning in the iconGravity entry... but it does not help us if you 
use iconGravity...


Comments:
The margins and borderWidth are taken into account when rendering the 
icon - the rectangle the icon is placed in is taken to be the button 
rect after subtracting margins and borderWidth all the way round.


But it does not affect the text position.

but if you use the pattern then setting the button textProperty margin 
gives us what we want as documented under the dictionary entry for 
margins :


Use the margins property to control how close text within a button or 
field can come to the object's edges, how close objects in a group can 
come to the group's edges, and how the label of a graphic is displayed.


I  wonder if it the button name position holds across platforms...

BR

Paul Hibbert wrote:

If the image is the correct size for the button, you can assign it to the 
backgroundPattern (fill) instead of the icon.

Paul

- hide quoted text -- show quoted text -

  On Aug 27, 2015, at 21:22, Brahmanathaswamibra...@hindu.org  wrote:
  
  Is there some way to get a button name to be centered on top of it's icon?
  
  
  This is a context where the icon is designed to be a background for the button and the center area is clear, plain, flat colored and meant to take the button label. Of course can import the image and put a transparent button on top, but ideally we could center the button name on top of the icon itself... but I can't find a way to do that... is there a way?
  
  BR


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ANN: PowerDebug 1.1.17

2015-08-28 Thread Mark Wieder
I have released a new version of PowerDebug. It's been two years since 
it's needed an update, but it's revision time, due to some minor 
incompatibilities with LiveCode 7.x and 8.x.


This release fixes a problem when quitting on OSX after a debugging 
session. Apparently frontscripts are now removed from memory at an 
earlier time than in previous releases, on OSX only.
Also fixed a problem where fields were not getting initialized properly 
the first time an error occurred. Nobody reported it as a problem, so I 
guess it hasn't bothered anyone but me. But it's fixed.
Also updated for LC7/8 is the initial variable display was empty on a 
runtime error. This is now fixed and hopefully future-proof.


From the Release Notes :
Fixed segfault on OSX when quitting LC7 IDE after debug session
Copy button is no longer a default button
Fixed tab setting for Global and Environment vars display
Moved Error Display code from preOpenStack to Openstack to initialize fields

Documentation is at http://powerdebug.ahsoftware.net
http://www.ahsoftware.net/PowerTools/BuyPowerDebug.irev

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LC8 IDE publish-and-subscribe

2015-08-28 Thread Mark
The new LC8 IDE implements the publish-and-subscribe pattern,
but it looks like it isn't designed to be extensible. It's extensible
right now because revIDEMessageIsValid() always returns true.

Q: assuming that the validity check was an interim test to make sure
the IDE didn't fall on its face, can we rely on this mechanism as a way
to register callback events in the IDE, and thus extend and modify
the IDE?

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Re: Mail and Sage - Problem sending

2015-08-28 Thread PystCat
LOL... I understand.  I have sent a few emails over the past few days... 
Usually I get a ticket in my email within 10 minutes of submitting problems in 
the past... This time..?  Nothing.  I just sent one through the the link that 
Matthias sent and I received a trouble ticket so all is well (sort of) in my 
world.



 On Aug 28, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Peter TB Brett peter.br...@livecode.com wrote:
 
 On 2015-08-28 22:47, PystCat wrote:
 Thanks Matthias.  I know the Mother Ship is usually up on things so I
 never like to bother them with stuff I don't consider THAT urgent.  I
 do use the email address for more business issues but since I am
 receiving email I am (somewhat) fine with just letting them know...
 I think I will use (and save) that link to contact them.  Thanks.
 
 It may not seem like it some times, but I think we'd generally prefer to get 
 told about a problem multiple times than not get told about it at all!
 
  Peter
 
 -- 
 Dr Peter Brett peter.br...@livecode.com
 LiveCode Open Source Team
 
 LiveCode on reddit! https://reddit.com/r/livecode
 
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Re: Mail and Sage - Problem sending

2015-08-28 Thread PystCat
Thanks Matthias.  I know the Mother Ship is usually up on things so I never 
like to bother them with stuff I don't consider THAT urgent.  I do use the 
email address for more business issues but since I am receiving email I am 
(somewhat) fine with just letting them know...

I think I will use (and save) that link to contact them.  Thanks.



 On Aug 28, 2015, at 5:21 PM, Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D 
 matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de wrote:
 
 
 
 Paul,
 
 did you sent your support request with URGENT in the subject line? Use your 
 email address which is set in cPanel for communication. 
 You could also use the contact form at 
 http://www.on-rev.com/support/contact-us/  to send such a request.
 Select “Emergency support request” for the subject.
 
 Such support request are answered within 2 hrs or so. 
 
 Please be aware, that such urgent requests should only be sent if the server 
 is not working or is not working properly or is causing trouble
 
 But i would say, being not able to send email is an urgent support case.
 
 Matthias
 
 Am 28.08.2015 um 22:24 schrieb PystCat pyst...@gmail.com:
 
 Thanks Andy.  I've sent a few tickets and one to Heather.. I don't like 
 sending to her about On-Rev stuff but I figured she would forward on.  My 
 problem is I haven't heard back from anyone...  And I'm still out on the 
 water without a paddle.
 
 
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Re: Mail and Sage - Problem sending

2015-08-28 Thread Peter TB Brett

On 2015-08-28 22:47, PystCat wrote:

Thanks Matthias.  I know the Mother Ship is usually up on things so I
never like to bother them with stuff I don't consider THAT urgent.  I
do use the email address for more business issues but since I am
receiving email I am (somewhat) fine with just letting them know...

I think I will use (and save) that link to contact them.  Thanks.



It may not seem like it some times, but I think we'd generally prefer to 
get told about a problem multiple times than not get told about it at 
all!


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Re: Mail and Sage - Problem sending

2015-08-28 Thread PystCat
Thanks Andy.  I've sent a few tickets and one to Heather.. I don't like sending 
to her about On-Rev stuff but I figured she would forward on.  My problem is I 
haven't heard back from anyone...  And I'm still out on the water without a 
paddle.



 On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:54 PM, AndyP smudge.a...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Paul,
 
 I've had problems on sage sending and mail forwarding for a while now.
 Contacted support 2 days back and have received a reply today saying that
 work has been carried out on the server ??
 
 However the problems seem to have been fixed for me so hopefully the server
 changes will also have a positive effect for you. 
 
 
 
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Re: Mail and Sage - Problem sending

2015-08-28 Thread PystCat
Thanks Howard.  I'll try resending to the support at on-rev again.



 On Aug 28, 2015, at 1:26 PM, Howard Bornstein bornst...@designeq.com wrote:
 
 I've seen that and supp...@on-rev.com.
 
 I'm on Sage but I don't use their SMTP server so I can't help you out there.
 
 On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 7:01 AM, PystCat pyst...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Is anyone else having a problem sending email from Sage..?  I can suddenly
 receive mail but I can't send it... I keep getting the standard Mail
 Delivery Failed - Will Try Again message.  This happens with ALL email I
 send from Sage.
 
 Does anyone know the support email address for On-Rev..?  I keep sending
 (from a different email) to on-...@runrev.com but not getting any
 response.
 
 Thanks
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