Re: LiveCodeOnline [Was: Re: Rev Online]
Hello Tim Yes ! We probably all have ! My last try was yesterday ! This is the response I got one months ago: Ticket#201205091326 Hello Rolf, Hopefully I will be tackling this issue with revOnline soon, but unfortunately I can't give you any estimate or assurances as to when it's going to be fixed. We do of course want everyone to be able to use revOnline, so with a bit of luck I'll be able to return it to normal working order sometime in the near future. Regards Am 21.06.2012 um 00:12 schrieb use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com: I don't mean to play Obvious Man here, but has anyone actually contacted Heather, et al and asked for it to be fixed? Tim ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCodeOnline [Was: Re: Rev Online]
On 21/06/12 10:20, Rolf Kocherhans wrote: Hello Tim Yes ! We probably all have ! My last try was yesterday ! This is the response I got one months ago: Ticket#201205091326 Hello Rolf, Hopefully I will be tackling this issue with revOnline soon, but unfortunately I can't give you any estimate or assurances as to when it's going to be fixed. We do of course want everyone to be able to use revOnline, so with a bit of luck I'll be able to return it to normal working order sometime in the near future. 'estimates or assurances'; well, perhaps somebody should put their money where their mouth is. We do of course want everyone to be able to use revOnline oddly enough, I'm starting to believe that less and less as actions (or the lack thereof) speak louder than words. That word 'luck' is a bit disingenuous. Surely what is needed is WORK and COMMITMENT. I would characterise RunRev as a company that produces a super product, but is signally bad at follow-up with bug reports and maintenance of components (such as Rev-Online and RevNet) that involve interaction between their product installed on end-user's machines and RunRev's own machines. I remember being informed that all the material on 'old' RevOnline would be transferred to 'new' RevOnline: it hasn't, so all those stacks which developers uploaded for the greater good of the much vaunted 'developer community' which RunRev protests it supports are now unavailable unless you happen to have RR version 2.x to be able access it (and, when last I looked, the stacks are no longer downloadable). I am trying to save up money to buy a more current version of Livecode than 4.5; but am starting to wonder whether I wouldn't be better buying a really decent copy of the supplement to the Old Testament Pseudepigrapha instead (having spent an arm and a leg on the 2 volume Charleworth edition of the Old Testament Pseudepigrapha it would be nice to have James Davila's work on my bookshelf - even if only for the simple reason that his house is across the road from mine in St Andrews)., as they come in at about the same price. Davila's book does not feature anything online that can get broken at a later date. Regards Am 21.06.2012 um 00:12 schrieb use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com: I don't mean to play Obvious Man here, but has anyone actually contacted Heather, et al and asked for it to be fixed? Tim ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCodeOnline [Was: Re: Rev Online]
Richmond wrote: I would characterise RunRev as a company that produces a super product, but is signally bad at follow-up with bug reports and maintenance of components (such as Rev-Online and RevNet)... To clarify, RevNet is not a product of RunRev Ltd., but was created and is maintained by myself and others who contribute to it from time to time. Like the other third-party plugins included with the LiveCode IDE, RunRev Ltd. has no support obligation for those plugins. I've not had bug reports for RevNet for a few years, but if you've come across an issue with it please email me and let me know so I can address it. Thanks - -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCodeOnline [Was: Re: Rev Online]
Not what I meant - it's easy to miss reports in a feedback system. I was asking if you've contacted one of the staff directly. Much harder to miss such a request. Tim On Jun 20, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Yes, but even if they had not, they posted to the quality center which is actually where they are supposed to. They are saying that no response has come to those posts. It would be better if someone came back and said, We really do not have time at present to address this issue. or else, We plan on fixing that within the next six months. Bob On Jun 20, 2012, at 1:18 PM, Tim Jones wrote: I don't mean to play Obvious Man here, but has anyone actually contacted Heather, et al and asked for it to be fixed? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCodeOnline [Was: Re: Rev Online]
Alex Tweedly wrote: On 20/06/2012 15:49, Richard Gaskin wrote: On-Rev is still in business as a shared hosting alternative with RevServer preinstalled, and RevServer itself is kinda nifty and also remains available, currently at v5.0.1 (understandable that it's not using 5.5 since most of the additions are for the field object and mobile, neither of which is particularly useful on a server). But it's a pain having RevServer stuck in an older version, because the stack format changed. If you have library stacks that you use in both desktop apps and revServer (and of course that's one of the advantages of Livecode), then you need to remember which version of LiveCode to use when editing them. In theory you can just always remember to Save As ... and change the format - but I know from experience how easy it is to forget that :-) True, dat. Being a lazy person I updated the Save button in my devo palette so that it now looks for a stack property called ufwStackFileVersion, and if present uses that value to set the stackFileVersion global property to save the stack, restoring the default when it's done. There aren't many stacks I work on which need to go backwards, but at least using this allows me to set it once and forget about it, a bit of extra work but less so than trying to remember to use Save As FWIW the latest version of the 4wDevolution tool palette is available in the Stack section of RevNet, but be forewarned: it was originally designed for use within the MetaCard IDE, and when using it with LiveCode it's not fully functional and may at times throw an error when it expects to find MC-specific stacks. When I get some spare time (yeah, right, that'll happen soon) I'll update it for full LiveCode compatibility, but in the meantime at least some of it is useful now. Well, at least Andre seems to like it. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCodeOnline [Was: Re: Rev Online]
Alex Tweedly wrote: On 20/06/2012 01:23, Richard Gaskin wrote: In LiveCode, see Development-Plugins-GoRevNet, and once there see the Stacks section. RevNet was the first community-based stack sharing service, later somewhat displaced by the advent of RevOnline two years later. It all still works, and I would be happy to work with anyone here to expand it to be even more useful. Richard, you are absolutely correct - RevNet is exactly the kind of thing I was thinking of, I'd simply forgotten about it because it got pushed aside by revonline. Most of the stacks available through RevNet have been, or still are, here on my system. I think it could benefit from some additional features (mostly seeon on revonline, such as finer granularity of categories, or keyword tags, or search by author, or ) (and I'll email you off-list about spending some of my copious spare time on those). Thanks - I've just added a new section for RevNet to the LiveCode Journal forums: http://livecodejournal.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=28 I hope you don't mind, but I've taken the liberty of copying your post there to kick off that discussion. The LiveCode Journal forums are new and still not linked into the main site yet - I need to do that, but first I need to revamp the main menu buttons using x-plat tools (I made those with Fireworks but now I spend more time with Linux and since LC now has nice graphic effects I prefer to make such things in LC), and then link them in, and all of that will have to wait until I finish some client projects (been an unusually busy season here). So for now just use http://livecodejournal.com/forum/, or the link above, and I'll link it in proper as soon as I get some time to do that. Alternatively, if anyone here wants to help webmaster the LiveCode Journal site, let's talk. There's a section in those forums for LiveCode Journal itself. But RevNet also needs three other things: - publicity. It needs to become common to see a posting on the use-list (or in the forums) that says I've just posted a little stack to RevNet to do ... - it needs to become slightly less imposing. It was always clear that revonline was for everyone to use - and many people would post things on there. RevNet looks a little bit too much like only experts put stuff there. It's probably a combination of the style, and maybe the language (e.g. calling them resources rather than sample stacks) and probably just gathering more usage. - more stacks. So - unless a better alternative appears in the next day or two - I'd urge everyone who has posted stacks to revonline to also add them to RevNet. I'll be doing that with the stacks I used to have on revonline (though I'll probably take the opportunity to tidy them up a bit first -some of them are a bit old :-). All good suggestions, but to be honest once RevOnline was born I started thinking about RevNet in different ways, moving beyond the stack-sharing that RevOnline is focused on into other types of resources useful to developers. As long as RevOnline exists, it simply needs to be fixed. It's the most popular solution for sharing stacks, and I would only put a lot of time into RevNet's Stacks section if RevOnline were to become EOL'd. While there may be some merit to double-posting to RevNet in addition to RevOnline, in truth that's only because RevOnline needs to be fixed; once fixed, that section of RevNet becomes a redundancy. So the key here is to try to get a realistic estimate from RunRev about when RevOnline will be fixed, or whether it will be EOL'd. I've written Support this morning to find out. That said, there are other ways RevNet can be useful to the community. They key element is time: so far it's been just me with occasional help from a few others (like Chipp and Jerry who've helped in the past). There is some foundational work which could/should arguably be done to simplify how it downloads stacks - I've learned a lot since I first launched RevNet on Christmas day in 2002. But again, the key is time. Right now I'm committed to client projects, which must take priority over volunteer efforts like RevNet. So while I have some ambitious plans and a fair amount of prep work done for new RevNet features in the future, for now moving it forward will have to rely on contributions from others in the community, at least until the end of summer when my schedule begins to lighten up. Anyone interested is welcome to join the discussion in the LiveCode Journal forum: http://livecodejournal.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=28 -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
Re: LiveCodeOnline [Was: Re: Rev Online]
On 06/21/2012 05:55 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Richmond wrote: I would characterise RunRev as a company that produces a super product, but is signally bad at follow-up with bug reports and maintenance of components (such as Rev-Online and RevNet)... To clarify, RevNet is not a product of RunRev Ltd., but was created and is maintained by myself and others who contribute to it from time to time. Aah; well that puts a diferent perspective on revNet altogether, and for that I retract my criticism on that point. Like the other third-party plugins included with the LiveCode IDE, RunRev Ltd. has no support obligation for those plugins. I've not had bug reports for RevNet for a few years, but if you've come across an issue with it please email me and let me know so I can address it. Nothing is intrinsically wrong with RevNet, it is just very out-of-date. Thanks - -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCodeOnline [Was: Re: Rev Online]
Richmond wrote: Nothing is intrinsically wrong with RevNet, it is just very out-of-date. Agreed. It could use some pruning of the stacks it has access to, and a freshened appearance. Those and more are on my to-do list, but client work pays for that so I must continue to give priority to shipping those client projects for now, in hopes of a nifty new revamp for RevNet toward the end of summer. If anyone wants to contribute to either RevNet or LiveCode Journal, both are community efforts and your participation is welcome: http://livecodejournal.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=28 -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCodeOnline [Was: Re: Rev Online]
On 06/20/2012 04:02 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: Alex, Richard- Yes, but... three things: it wouldn't have the authority of the company behind it, in the way that the Apple store, etc does I don't recall a link from the runrev site to LiveCode Journal, or it's somewhere out of the way. it would look really bad for the company to have this added as Yet Another Failed Runrev Initiative. (notice that I succeeded in not mentioning web deployment, on-rev, RevMedia, DreamCard, etc by name) That list does seem a bit long. The other day I looked in one of my sons' chest of drawers (yeah, the apostrophe should be where it is, I have 2 sons) and found unfinished projects going back about 8 years. I wonder if those are not failures so much as good ideas that were not maintained because people became so enthusiastic about putting all their effort towards the next thing that they lost track of the fact that once you start something (remember the vast bally-hoo about Free RevMedia?) you need to maintain it. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCodeOnline [Was: Re: Rev Online]
On 06/20/2012 09:01 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:16 AM, Peter Haworthp...@lcsql.com wrote:
I have several QCC reports that have been sitting in silence for several
weeks
Weeks??? I have pet bugs that have been sitting there for YEARS
For example:
* Can't take snapshot of second monitor (entered in 2006)
* Can't take snapshot of off-screen stuff
* No way to build Android apps with Linux (this is insane)
=(
--
A list of wonderful ideas: RevMedia, Dreamcard, revLets (web deployment),
Bugs that have not been addressed for years.
--
Now, if a parent phones me and tells me that s/he had pointed out that
little Ivan had
cocked up his English exam at school a year ago, and now he has done it
again . . .
The parent would be reasonably justified in asking me to reimburse the fees
s/he paid for little Ivan's classes over the past year.
Very, very soon, with an attitude of the sort I am writing about, my
school would be closed and my
reputation would be mud.
Yesterday I spent 3 hours working with a boy who had not fully
understood the Past Imperfect,
at no cost to the parents. Not my idea of fun, but difficult to avoid
with a good, clean conscience.
I offered those 3 hours; I didn't have to wait until the parents kicked
me; but, hey, I listen to my
customers, and take their feedback very seriously indeed.
-
One of my least favourite words on this user-list is Work-around, and
it crops up
far, far too much.
What is a work-around ?
It is a phrase for end-users having to spend lots of time ('community
effort') solving
generally fairly basic issues that should have been sorted out by the
manufacturer of
the article being used; and that time spent on work-arounds should be
being spent on development
of the end-user's own work, and represents lost time and income to those
who have to stop their
SDLC while they sit down with the sticky-tape and string to mend the
vacuum cleaner.
-
My main problem is that many parents do not give me much by the way of
feedback.
However, I am writing this on a use-list that is a non-stop 24-7
feedback system; and running through it
are a set of on-going complaints that it would behoove those up the top
to take rather seriously.
___
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCodeOnline [Was: Re: Rev Online]
Richmond- Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 11:17:43 PM, you wrote: One of my least favourite words on this user-list is Work-around, and Well, that point I may take issue with. If there's a problem with the engine or IDE or somesuch and there does exist a workaround, then I'm less frantic about the bug getting fixed because I know I can continue to work. I've got notes to myself about hacks that I've put together to get around certain issues, with notes about the bug number and a to-do item to remove the hack when and if the problem gets solved. There are higher priority items to work on that may have more serious repercussions if not fixed, and if I know of workarounds for other issues I'm happy with the team going after the big ones. Also, on a completely different level, the process of finding workarounds on this list is a bonding experience that builds the online community as we work together to hone our skills. I'm constantly amazed by the brilliant snippets of code that folks here come up with. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCodeOnline [Was: Re: Rev Online]
Mark Wieder wrote: ... it would look really bad for the company to have this added as Yet Another Failed Runrev Initiative. I'm not clear what you mean, Mark: would it look bad to provide a community-based solution for sharing stack files? I like to imagine a future in which RunRev considers a semi-open workflow, sharing portions of the code and development expense with the community in ways that could benefit both. While the engine is too gnarly a beast to let just anyone work on it, the externals might make great candidates for some sort of limited-license open source, allowing people like you, Andre, Trevor, Monte, and others who have the skills and interest to enhance them. Similarly, community-oriented tools like RevOnline could conceivably become community-driven. Portions of the IDE as well. There are many opportunities for RunRev to capitalize on the skills and enthusiasm of this community, in ways both they and us would benefit from. Whether RevNet should regain its once-unique role as the bundled means by which devs share stack files is an open question. When they launched RevOnline I stopped working on the Stacks portion of RevNet, and have been devoting some of my spare time (what little there is these days), to making RevNet valuable in other ways (more on that later). If nothing else, as an example of how easy it is to deliver stacks over the web RevNet is useful. But it can be much more, so let me reiterate my long-standing invitation to anyone and everyone here who may be interested in doing more with it. I see RevNet as an extension of LiveCodeJournal.com, a community-based effort for sharing resources we find valuable. What we make of them is what WE make of them. Both RevNet and LiveCodeJournal.com are open for participation to anyone with an earnest interest in sharing LiveCode resources. Anyone interested can drop me an email letting me know what you want to do and we'll see about setting up whatever it takes to make that happen. (notice that I succeeded in not mentioning web deployment, on-rev, RevMedia, DreamCard, etc by name) Well, you succeeded up until that parenthetical moment. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCodeOnline [Was: Re: Rev Online]
Le 20 juin 2012 à 17:07, Richard Gaskin a écrit : Similarly, community-oriented tools like RevOnline could conceivably become community-driven. Portions of the IDE as well. YES ! ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCodeOnline [Was: Re: Rev Online]
Richard- Well, I'm not disagreeing with anything you said there. I just don't see any third-party options having the traction needed to make this work. Look at the usage differences between the runrev web forum and the LiveJournal web forum, for instance. It's not a matter of what content is there, it's just accessibility and presence. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCodeOnline [Was: Re: Rev Online]
Richard- You are, I think, missing the point. The issue is more about announcing a new initiative, getting users started down that path, and then abandoning things. When was the last time the broken on-rev client got updated? I can't imagine anyone on the team taking the time to revisit this. Nor do I think I'd want them to - I'd rather see it open-sourced to free up the team's resources for other things, but the current situation is a bit embarassing. Do you really expect to see a linux build of the revBrowser? That carrot's been dangling in front of us for years. What about the linux build of the web plugin? Speaking of web plugins, my web build of the PowerDebug walkthrough, which I thought was a great way to demonstrate its functionality, broke with the last build of the plugin. I can deploy locally and it runs fine, but not when I upload it to on-rev (streaming problem). At this point I don't really care if that gets fixed, but again it's been years since an update came out and I haven't seen any sign of ongoing work. And again, I'd rather see the team spending their time on other things, but this process of abandoning users is getting annoying. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCodeOnline [Was: Re: Rev Online]
I don't mean to play Obvious Man here, but has anyone actually contacted Heather, et al and asked for it to be fixed? Tim On Jun 20, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Richard- You are, I think, missing the point. The issue is more about announcing a new initiative, getting users started down that path, and then abandoning things. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCodeOnline [Was: Re: Rev Online]
Yes, but even if they had not, they posted to the quality center which is actually where they are supposed to. They are saying that no response has come to those posts. It would be better if someone came back and said, We really do not have time at present to address this issue. or else, We plan on fixing that within the next six months. Bob On Jun 20, 2012, at 1:18 PM, Tim Jones wrote: I don't mean to play Obvious Man here, but has anyone actually contacted Heather, et al and asked for it to be fixed? Tim On Jun 20, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Richard- You are, I think, missing the point. The issue is more about announcing a new initiative, getting users started down that path, and then abandoning things. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCodeOnline [Was: Re: Rev Online]
On 20/06/2012 01:23, Richard Gaskin wrote: In LiveCode, see Development-Plugins-GoRevNet, and once there see the Stacks section. RevNet was the first community-based stack sharing service, later somewhat displaced by the advent of RevOnline two years later. It all still works, and I would be happy to work with anyone here to expand it to be even more useful. Richard, you are absolutely correct - RevNet is exactly the kind of thing I was thinking of, I'd simply forgotten about it because it got pushed aside by revonline. Most of the stacks available through RevNet have been, or still are, here on my system. I think it could benefit from some additional features (mostly seeon on revonline, such as finer granularity of categories, or keyword tags, or search by author, or ) (and I'll email you off-list about spending some of my copious spare time on those). But RevNet also needs three other things: - publicity. It needs to become common to see a posting on the use-list (or in the forums) that says I've just posted a little stack to RevNet to do ... - it needs to become slightly less imposing. It was always clear that revonline was for everyone to use - and many people would post things on there. RevNet looks a little bit too much like only experts put stuff there. It's probably a combination of the style, and maybe the language (e.g. calling them resources rather than sample stacks) and probably just gathering more usage. - more stacks. So - unless a better alternative appears in the next day or two - I'd urge everyone who has posted stacks to revonline to also add them to RevNet. I'll be doing that with the stacks I used to have on revonline (though I'll probably take the opportunity to tidy them up a bit first -some of them are a bit old :-). -- Alex. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCodeOnline [Was: Re: Rev Online]
On 20/06/2012 15:49, Richard Gaskin wrote: On-Rev is still in business as a shared hosting alternative with RevServer preinstalled, and RevServer itself is kinda nifty and also remains available, currently at v5.0.1 (understandable that it's not using 5.5 since most of the additions are for the field object and mobile, neither of which is particularly useful on a server). But it's a pain having RevServer stuck in an older version, because the stack format changed. If you have library stacks that you use in both desktop apps and revServer (and of course that's one of the advantages of Livecode), then you need to remember which version of LiveCode to use when editing them. In theory you can just always remember to Save As ... and change the format - but I know from experience how easy it is to forget that :-) -- Alex. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCodeOnline [Was: Re: Rev Online]
Andre- Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 11:01:09 PM, you wrote: Weeks??? I have pet bugs that have been sitting there for YEARS I just looked, and my earliest still-waiting-to-be-confirmed bug report is from early 2004. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
LiveCodeOnline [Was: Re: Rev Online]
RevOnline has been effectively broken for a long time. Long enough that we should be able to predict that it won't be fixed any time soon. And I think that's probably a good resource allocation decision for runrev. revonline is basically a website to collect stacks and similar resources, and a search / download / upload mechanism within the IDE. In fact - it's even less than a website, because it doesn't need to handle html, css, etc. - it only needs to interface to a livecode thin-client. Sounds to me like an ideal candidate for a community effort to build and maintain that, rather than use up scarce company resources doing it. It shouldn't be beyond us as a community to design - a revserver based site to store stacks, descriptions, reviews, etc. - a simple but adequate protocol to talk to that site - one (or more) plugin to talk to it. If there is any interest, I'd be happy to get involved in designing and building something. I can donate a domain / on-rev space to host the site, and would be willing to do some work on either the server side or the plugin. Let me know if you'd like to join in - or let me know if you think it's a bad idea to replicate something runrev is already doing. -- Alex. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCodeOnline [Was: Re: Rev Online]
Alex Tweedly wrote: RevOnline has been effectively broken for a long time. Long enough that we should be able to predict that it won't be fixed any time soon. And I think that's probably a good resource allocation decision for runrev. revonline is basically a website to collect stacks and similar resources, and a search / download / upload mechanism within the IDE. In fact - it's even less than a website, because it doesn't need to handle html, css, etc. - it only needs to interface to a livecode thin-client. Sounds to me like an ideal candidate for a community effort to build and maintain that, rather than use up scarce company resources doing it. In LiveCode, see Development-Plugins-GoRevNet, and once there see the Stacks section. RevNet was the first community-based stack sharing service, later somewhat displaced by the advent of RevOnline two years later. It all still works, and I would be happy to work with anyone here to expand it to be even more useful. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCodeOnline [Was: Re: Rev Online]
Alex, Richard- Yes, but... three things: it wouldn't have the authority of the company behind it, in the way that the Apple store, etc does I don't recall a link from the runrev site to LiveCode Journal, or it's somewhere out of the way. it would look really bad for the company to have this added as Yet Another Failed Runrev Initiative. (notice that I succeeded in not mentioning web deployment, on-rev, RevMedia, DreamCard, etc by name) -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCodeOnline [Was: Re: Rev Online]
Hi Mark, I'd have more sympathy for all that if the many QCC reports on the issue had received a response of some sort, even if it was Sorry guys, we know it's broken but it's not a high enough priority for us to fix right now. Mine never received a response, not sure if any did. I have several QCC reports that have been sitting in silence for several weeks, plus a submission to have an app accepted into the RunRev store that I sent in weeks ago and have had no response to, not even a denial. That's not the best way to foster good customer relations. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: Alex, Richard- Yes, but... three things: it wouldn't have the authority of the company behind it, in the way that the Apple store, etc does I don't recall a link from the runrev site to LiveCode Journal, or it's somewhere out of the way. it would look really bad for the company to have this added as Yet Another Failed Runrev Initiative. (notice that I succeeded in not mentioning web deployment, on-rev, RevMedia, DreamCard, etc by name) -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCodeOnline [Was: Re: Rev Online]
On 06/20/2012 03:01 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote: RevOnline has been effectively broken for a long time. Long enough that we should be able to predict that it won't be fixed any time soon. And I think that's probably a good resource allocation decision for runrev. revonline is basically a website to collect stacks and similar resources, and a search / download / upload mechanism within the IDE. In fact - it's even less than a website, because it doesn't need to handle html, css, etc. - it only needs to interface to a livecode thin-client. Sounds to me like an ideal candidate for a community effort to build and maintain that, rather than use up scarce company resources doing it. What a clever idea: I'm a company who sets up all sorts of support things for my customer base, let the customers see how useful they are, and then let them drop so that the customers form a community and do the work maintaining those things for us. Perhaps I can get the kids at my school to teach themselves English. It shouldn't be beyond us as a community to design - a revserver based site to store stacks, descriptions, reviews, etc. - a simple but adequate protocol to talk to that site - one (or more) plugin to talk to it. If there is any interest, I'd be happy to get involved in designing and building something. I can donate a domain / on-rev space to host the site, and would be willing to do some work on either the server side or the plugin. Let me know if you'd like to join in - or let me know if you think it's a bad idea to replicate something runrev is already doing. -- Alex. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
