Re: [libreoffice-users] Master document and styles.

[Michael Tiernan]

On Mon, Jan 15, 2024, 12:03 PM Wiebe van der Worp  wrote:

> On 14-01-2024 17:02, Michael Tiernan wrote:
> > I have a master document which has a number of styles in it.
> >
> > I have a "Page/Section" template that I distribute to others to create
> > sections for inclusion into the master.
>
> Is working with .ott templates an option?


I just double checked, that's what I distribute, an .ott file.

Tomorrow, when I get a few mins I'll review the suggestions I was sent.

I did think about the method of messing up the smooth handling of styles
and am going to look into it more.

I've written some things here,
> hope it helps
>

Yes! Very helpful.

Thank you!

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master document and styles.

[Wiebe van der Worp]

On 14-01-2024 17:02, Michael Tiernan wrote:

I have a master document which has a number of styles in it.

I have a "Page/Section" template that I distribute to others to create 
sections for inclusion into the master.


Is working with .ott templates an option? I've written some things here, 
hope it helps:


https://vanderworp.org/libreoffice-template-bugs/
and
https://vanderworp.org/libreoffice-writer-template-changing/


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master document and styles.

[Robert Großkopf]

Hi Michael,


I can absorb those changes by loading the styles from his returned 
document into my template and then into the master.


You could directly import all styles from one document to your master 
document. Import should overwrite the current versions of styles in the 
master document.


Master document will take the styles, which are defined in the master 
document. If styles aren't installed in the master document it will take 
the styles from the first document, which contains the (new named) style.
So: If nobody creates new styles or renames old styles all will work 
well in the master document and all will be formatted by the styles 
defined in the master document.


Now, what's the best way to change all the sections other folks sent me 
and make sure that all the styles are consistently synchronized across 
all documents?


Do you need also the normal document in this style? Then open the 
documents and import all styles from your master document to the 
document. Let overwrite the old styles.


Hope I understood your problem well.

Regards

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master document, internal link between documents and pdf

[Robert Großkopf]

Hi Michael,


Can this work for page numbers too?

(Using the original document as an example), adding to the reference for 
"WAGO" in the "C" document something that may say something like see 
"WAGO on page XXX" where the XXX is where the finished document will put 
the reference to WAGO?


Connection will be created to the page number also.
If you insert a reference, you could chose different behaviors on "Refer 
using":

Page Number (unstyled)
Page number (styled)
Chapter
Referenced text
"Above"/"Below"

I always chosed "Referenced text" for German Base-Handbuch. This book is 
created by a master document. All main chapters are separate documents 
with different sections for content and title/Toc. There are many 
references from one chapter to the other in the master document.


Same master document works since 12 years with changing chapters for 
every new version of LO. I only set a link to the different chapters in 
my file system. So I don't need to change the link inside the master 
document.


Regards

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[libreoffice-users] Master document and styles.

[Michael Tiernan]

I have a master document which has a number of styles in it.

I have a "Page/Section" template that I distribute to others to create 
sections for inclusion into the master.


One of those people (correctly) fixed a mistake of mine and sent it back.

I can absorb those changes by loading the styles from his returned 
document into my template and then into the master.


Now, what's the best way to change all the sections other folks sent me 
and make sure that all the styles are consistently synchronized across 
all documents?


Also, maybe this is a good time to suggest that the exporting and 
importing of styles be done using an external file, i.e. XML or JSON, 
would be really a nice feature to have.


(Part of that suggestion is driven by, what i see as, the inability to 
absorb into a template document the styles from the master document. Or 
so it seems.)


I have also come to the opinion that the "smart" (*cough*) way for me to 
keep them all coordinated is to copy every style used in the docs into a 
new one with some prefix like "my" and use it on all styles in the doc 
such as "my  Default Paragraph"



Thanks for everyones time.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master document, internal link between documents and pdf

[Michael Tiernan]

On 1/13/24 5:39 AM, Robert Großkopf wrote:



The question is :

In document C.odt I put the definition of electrical *connector* and 
give an antonomasia *WAGO*.


In the W.odt document I put *WAGO*: electrical connector whose name 
is that of the manufacturer.


I would like to put a link from WAGO in the C.odt document to WAGO in 
the W.odt document.


Open Document W.odt.


But if both documents are in a master document the reference could be 
found and will work. 


(Addmittidly Ive not tried it yet)

Can this work for page numbers too?

(Using the original document as an example), adding to the reference for 
"WAGO" in the "C" document something that may say something like see 
"WAGO on page XXX" where the XXX is where the finished document will put 
the reference to WAGO?


Than ks for everyones time.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master document, internal link between documents and pdf

[Robert Großkopf]

Hi Francois-Marie,


The question is :

In document C.odt I put the definition of electrical *connector* and 
give an antonomasia *WAGO*.


In the W.odt document I put *WAGO*: electrical connector whose name is 
that of the manufacturer.


I would like to put a link from WAGO in the C.odt document to WAGO in 
the W.odt document.


Open Document W.odt.
Go to position of the content, which should be linked to.
Insert → Field → More Fields → Cross Refereence → Set Reference.
Name of the reference should be "WAGO".
Open Document C.odt.
Go to the content, which should link to W.odt → "WAGO".
Insert → Field → More Fields → Cross Refereence → Insert Reference.
Name of the Reference should be "WAGO".
Now you will see in C.odt "Error: Reference source not found".
But if both documents are in a master document the reference could be 
found and will work.


Regards

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[libreoffice-users] Master document, internal link between documents and pdf

[Informatique BILLARD]

I created a technical dictionary with my students using this structure:

* A document for each letter A.odt to Z.odt

* a master document dico.odm which includes all the documents A to Z and 
which


which produces an index at the beginning and a table of illustrations at 
the end.


All this works perfectly after a pdf export.


The question is :

In document C.odt I put the definition of electrical *connector* and 
give an antonomasia *WAGO*.


In the W.odt document I put *WAGO*: electrical connector whose name is 
that of the manufacturer.


I would like to put a link from WAGO in the C.odt document to WAGO in 
the W.odt document.



However, when I do this by inserting a link to another document, after 
updating my master document and exporting it as a pdf, the link points 
to the W.odt file and not to the term WAGO (with the letter W) in the 
pdf file.


Am I clear?

Thank's for yours answers.

Francois-Marie

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document, Index/PDF Page Numbers Don't Match

[LO . Harald . Berger]

Crossposting (?):

https://ask.libreoffice.org/t/index-pdf-page-numbers-dont-match/69589

Am 22.10.2021 um 20:20 schrieb Adam Tauno Williams:

I have a large ODM document.
When I export the document to PDF the references work and the PDF index
(table of contents) works correctly (page numbers correspond to
document pages).
However the table of contents included in the document - generated
using the Table of Contents feature - is all off my a few pages.

see
http://www.wmmi.net/documents/LibreOfficePageNumbersTOCIssue.20211022.png

LibreOffice 7.1.5.2



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document, Index/PDF Page Numbers Don't Match

[Robert Großkopf]

Hi Adam,

did you run Tools → Update → Update All before exporting the whole
content to the *.pdf-document?

I have created the German Base Handbuch with a Master Document, contains
12 diffent *.odt-files. Works right here without problems with nearly
650 pages.

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[libreoffice-users] Master Document, Index/PDF Page Numbers Don't Match

[Adam Tauno Williams]

I have a large ODM document.
When I export the document to PDF the references work and the PDF index
(table of contents) works correctly (page numbers correspond to
document pages).
However the table of contents included in the document - generated
using the Table of Contents feature - is all off my a few pages.

see 
http://www.wmmi.net/documents/LibreOfficePageNumbersTOCIssue.20211022.png

LibreOffice 7.1.5.2

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document Chapters Auto-numbering

[Virgil Arrington]

Robert wrote:.
> Only one hint for this: My first MasterDocument was the Master for the
> German Base Handbook. First I had a little bit problems with styles,
> which are named the same way, but were defined different in the
> separate *.odt-files. After correcting these ther doesn't appear
> problems any more.
>
> When editing a new version of Handbook, I only change the link in my
> filesystem to the special new folder and the new content will be read
> by the master. If have done this for 9 different versions of the
> Handbook, also without any problems and in a very short time.

I'm sure LO's master document works just fine once you get it set up. 
I've just never had the patience (or the pressing need) to get it fully 
set up. I also tend to constantly fiddle with documents, changing a word 
here or there. With a master document, I always have to check myself 
when it doesn't let me directly edit the text. I have to separately open 
the sub-document to do my editing. This is all good and the intended 
function of a master document. I just get frustrated when I have to keep 
reminding myself of this way of working.

Believe me, I'm not trying to open a LO vs. LaTeX debate. I work with 
and love both systems. I was only thinking that most of the questions 
Julian was asking were questions that LaTeX answers without anyone 
having to ask.
>
> The problem for many users: Writer and all other programs for editing
> a normal text have too much functions and too much styles. I remember
> my fist little dtp-program, called Timeworks Publisher: Only 4 styles
> were defined for the whole document for headers and content. Everybody
> knew, which style he/she had to choose for different tasks. Works.
> With Writer I have to learn: Less is more.

+10. Amen. Preach it brother.

Virgil


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document Chapters Auto-numbering

[Robert Großkopf]

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Hi *,
> 
> Now that you're done (I assume), I'll confess to how much our
> discussion has renewed my interest in and appreciation for LaTeX.
> Aside from the insertion of your images, I have to wonder if your
> life would have been easier using LaTeX for your thesis. No
> fiddling with master documents, page margins or fonts... just let
> the computer do it all.

Only one hint for this: My first MasterDocument was the Master for the
German Base Handbook. First I had a little bit problems with styles,
which are named the same way, but were defined different in the
separate *.odt-files. After correcting these ther doesn't appear
problems any more.

When editing a new version of Handbook, I only change the link in my
filesystem to the special new folder and the new content will be read
by the master. If have done this for 9 different versions of the
Handbook, also without any problems and in a very short time.

The problem for many users: Writer and all other programs for editing
a normal text have too much functions and too much styles. I remember
my fist little dtp-program, called Timeworks Publisher: Only 4 styles
were defined for the whole document for headers and content. Everybody
knew, which style he/she had to choose for different tasks. Works.
With Writer I have to learn: Less is more.

Regards

Robert
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document Chapters Auto-numbering

[Virgil Arrington]

Julian,

Now that you're done (I assume), I'll confess to how much our discussion 
has renewed my interest in and appreciation for LaTeX. Aside from the 
insertion of your images, I have to wonder if your life would have been 
easier using LaTeX for your thesis. No fiddling with master documents, 
page margins or fonts... just let the computer do it all.

Several years ago, my teenage son was challenged to write a 50,000 word 
novel in one month during "National Novel Writers Month." (NANOWRIMO). 
The quest was to just write... don't worry about editing... don't worry 
about formatting. Just write.

He accomplished his task on time, but did it with WordPerfect. As you 
can imagine, by using a WYSIWYG word processor, he formatted as he typed 
and it was a mess.

Several years later, I wanted to take his work and update it. As an 
exercise in LaTeX, I took his WordPerfect file and stripped all the 
formatting, saving it as a .txt file. I then inserted some \chapter and 
\section headings, threw in a \tableofcontents command and compiled it 
into a really nice looking book. The whole process took less than a half 
an hour. Now, admittedly, it was a simple book, no images, tables, etc., 
but even still, had I tried to do the same thing with LO or MS-Word, 
especially with master documents, it would have taken much longer, with 
more headaches.

All that said, there have been many times when LaTeX had given me much 
heartache, so I find myself switching back and forth between LaTeX and 
LO. The process of indecision means I get educated in both systems, 
which ain't a bad thing.

Virgil



On 10/16/2016 10:34 AM, Julian Brooks wrote:
> Thanks both so much, great info.
>
> Will check the doc now Robert and report back on how it all transpires.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Julian
>
> On 16 October 2016 at 15:04, Robert Großkopf 
> wrote:
>
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>> Hi Julian,
>>
>>> 1. My Master Documents chapters numbering always starts from 1 -
>>> how can this run concurrently for chapter1, chapter 2 etc etc.?
>>>
>>> 2. My introductory chapter has several subheadings, with the
>>> proviso of the above, how can I auto-number my introductions
>>> subheadings (0.1, 0.1.1 etc.)?
>> Have tested all these. Could it be you have set the style for the
>> headings beginning with '1'.
>>
>> Have uploaded a file. Hope it shows how it works:
>> http://robert.familiegrosskopf.de/download/MasterDoc.zip
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Robert
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document Chapters Auto-numbering

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El 2016-10-16 19:52, Doug McNutt escribió:




I just picked up a recent technical book with paper pages and no
pushbuttons.  The first few pages are called the PREFACE and the page
numbers therein are noted in lower case Roman numerals like iv, v, vi,
viii. Can LibreOffice do that? The first page would have to be i
because there is no zero.


Sure. Just modify the page style used on the preface, go to the "Page" 
tab and under "Page layout" select the kind of page numbers you need 
from the "Page numbers" drop down menu.







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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document Chapters Auto-numbering

[Doug McNutt]

The problem of counting has been a pain of my life. As a mathematics and 
physics student I learned that there are two kinds of numbers:


Cardinals include a zero, decimal points, and negatives. If you want the 
length of a fence you had better start counting posts with number zero. 
The common 12 inch ruler uses cardinals.


Ordinals, or "counting numbers" start at +1 and do not understand 
fractional parts such as 1.5. There is no zero. Algebra never uses them 
in a formula. They also are the only numbers in the Roman numerals of 
IVCLM fame. That permitted the Arabs, with their cardinals, to beat out 
the Romans with their inability to calculate interest rates.


I just picked up a recent technical book with paper pages and no 
pushbuttons.  The first few pages are called the PREFACE and the page 
numbers therein are noted in lower case Roman numerals like iv, v, vi, 
viii. Can LibreOffice do that? The first page would have to be i because 
there is no zero.


It's not so bad as one might think but it probably advances the logic of 
those who believe the 20th century ended in December 2001.  Somewhere on 
the WWW I found that the Christian era started in such a way that there 
was no +0 or -0 on either side of the famous birth. Those two years, of 
365 days each, do not exist if you're chasing ancestors.


On 10/16/2016 10:34 AM, Julian Brooks wrote:

Thanks both so much, great info.

Will check the doc now Robert and report back on how it all transpires.





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document Chapters Auto-numbering

[Julian Brooks]

Thanks both so much, great info.

Will check the doc now Robert and report back on how it all transpires.

Cheers,

Julian

On 16 October 2016 at 15:04, Robert Großkopf 
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> > 1. My Master Documents chapters numbering always starts from 1 -
> > how can this run concurrently for chapter1, chapter 2 etc etc.?
> >
> > 2. My introductory chapter has several subheadings, with the
> > proviso of the above, how can I auto-number my introductions
> > subheadings (0.1, 0.1.1 etc.)?
>
> Have tested all these. Could it be you have set the style for the
> headings beginning with '1'.
>
> Have uploaded a file. Hope it shows how it works:
> http://robert.familiegrosskopf.de/download/MasterDoc.zip
>
> Regards
>
> Robert
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document Chapters Auto-numbering

[Robert Großkopf]

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Hi Julian,

> 1. My Master Documents chapters numbering always starts from 1 -
> how can this run concurrently for chapter1, chapter 2 etc etc.?
> 
> 2. My introductory chapter has several subheadings, with the
> proviso of the above, how can I auto-number my introductions
> subheadings (0.1, 0.1.1 etc.)?

Have tested all these. Could it be you have set the style for the
headings beginning with '1'.

Have uploaded a file. Hope it shows how it works:
http://robert.familiegrosskopf.de/download/MasterDoc.zip

Regards

Robert

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document Chapters Auto-numbering

[Ricardo]

Hi!

El 2016-10-16 13:21, Julian Brooks escribió:

HI again,

I have a couple of questions regarding auto-numbering.

Apologies in advance if this has already been answered - I've spent 
umpteen
hours attempting to sort this over several days on and off, pouring 
through

documentation and the archives.

Two questions:

1. My Master Documents chapters numbering always starts from 1 - how 
can

this run concurrently for chapter1, chapter 2 etc etc.?


That's weird, because it should be as you want by default. Without 
seeing the actual document it is quite difficult to guess what's wrong. 
Check if the styles selected on Tools → Outline numbering are the same 
on Master and subdocuments.




2. My introductory chapter has several subheadings, with the proviso of 
the
above, how can I auto-number my introductions subheadings (0.1, 0.1.1 
etc.)?


That's not easy, sorry. It seems Writer belong to the school of thinking 
that says "zero is not a natural number" so even if there is no numbered 
heading before, a subheading will start with "1.1" instead of 0.1.


If you really want a leading zero, I think your only chance is to fake 
the numbering. Remember that you can set an "outline level" to any 
paragraph style on the "Outline and numbering" tab of the style 
definition, so you can "clone" the first and second level paragraph 
styles used on the rest of the document, set those clones to get outline 
level 1 and 2 and then fake the numbering either by writing them by hand 
or by using a sequence field.


You'll need to later fix the TOC, though




Cheers,

Julian


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[libreoffice-users] Master Document Chapters Auto-numbering

[Julian Brooks]

HI again,

I have a couple of questions regarding auto-numbering.

Apologies in advance if this has already been answered - I've spent umpteen
hours attempting to sort this over several days on and off, pouring through
documentation and the archives.

Two questions:

1. My Master Documents chapters numbering always starts from 1 - how can
this run concurrently for chapter1, chapter 2 etc etc.?

2. My introductory chapter has several subheadings, with the proviso of the
above, how can I auto-number my introductions subheadings (0.1, 0.1.1 etc.)?

Cheers,

Julian

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document: Insert pages into ToC without visible Headers

[Rob]

Using Musescore all the time for creating Choral music-
Musescore does have PDF export (and also MusicXML).

For me it is a very good alternative to commercially available software (e.g. 
Sibelius)

Best,
Rob.

> Op 14 okt. 2016, om 19:25 heeft Julian Brooks  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> Hi Paul,
> 
> No I wasn't aware of MuseScore, thanks for the tip.
> 
> The score examples aren't PDF's they are PNG's, though I must say they
> aren't as sharp looking as I would prefer.
> 
> LOSA looks great, more stuff to wrap my head around:)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Julian
> 
> On 12 October 2016 at 15:50, Paul D. Mirowsky 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hello Julian
>> 
>> Have you heard of MuseScore: https://musescore.org/en
>> 
>> About SVGs:
>>> You can export your score to SVG image format and import that into
>>> LibreOffice (=LO).
>>> If you want to split the multipage SVG from Musescore into multiple
>>> single page SVG-files you can use the
>>> Musescore SVG Splitter from the SVG-Tools:
>>> http://struckkai.blogspot.de/2016/02/svg-tools.html
>>> 
>>> About PDFs:
>>> True importing of PDFs into LO really doesn't give usable results.
>>> 
>>> But there is another way: Merging Score-PDFs into a LO-exported PDF. So
>>> while working in LO you don't see the content of the PDF but only a
>>> placeholder. When you export to PDF The score-PDF gets merged in.
>>> This requires the external commandline tool PDFtk installed and the
>>> LibreOffice document that you get here:
>>> LibreOfficeSongbookArchitect (LOSA)
>>> http://struckkai.blogspot.de/2015/04/libreofficesongbookarchitect.html
>>> 
>>> From https://musescore.org/en/node/103821
>> 
>> While I have not test the SVG export, it would probably give you much
>> better appearance at varying window sizes.
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/11/2016 8:53 AM, Julian Brooks wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> In my Master Document I have a couple of Appendices.
>>> One of the appendices is a bunch of scores, rendered as 'png's.
>>> These scores take up the whole page, and I don't want them to have headers
>>> (all the info is already on the score/png.
>>> 
>>> I would like these scores/png's to have titles and page numbers in the ToC
>>> - how can I do this please?
>>> 
>>> Many thanks in advance,
>>> 
>>> Julian
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document: Insert pages into ToC without visible Headers

[Julian Brooks]

Hi Paul,

No I wasn't aware of MuseScore, thanks for the tip.

The score examples aren't PDF's they are PNG's, though I must say they
aren't as sharp looking as I would prefer.

LOSA looks great, more stuff to wrap my head around:)

Cheers,

Julian

On 12 October 2016 at 15:50, Paul D. Mirowsky 
wrote:

> Hello Julian
>
> Have you heard of MuseScore: https://musescore.org/en
>
> About SVGs:
>> You can export your score to SVG image format and import that into
>> LibreOffice (=LO).
>> If you want to split the multipage SVG from Musescore into multiple
>> single page SVG-files you can use the
>> Musescore SVG Splitter from the SVG-Tools:
>> http://struckkai.blogspot.de/2016/02/svg-tools.html
>>
>> About PDFs:
>> True importing of PDFs into LO really doesn't give usable results.
>>
>> But there is another way: Merging Score-PDFs into a LO-exported PDF. So
>> while working in LO you don't see the content of the PDF but only a
>> placeholder. When you export to PDF The score-PDF gets merged in.
>> This requires the external commandline tool PDFtk installed and the
>> LibreOffice document that you get here:
>> LibreOfficeSongbookArchitect (LOSA)
>> http://struckkai.blogspot.de/2015/04/libreofficesongbookarchitect.html
>>
>> From https://musescore.org/en/node/103821
>
> While I have not test the SVG export, it would probably give you much
> better appearance at varying window sizes.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> On 10/11/2016 8:53 AM, Julian Brooks wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> In my Master Document I have a couple of Appendices.
>> One of the appendices is a bunch of scores, rendered as 'png's.
>> These scores take up the whole page, and I don't want them to have headers
>> (all the info is already on the score/png.
>>
>> I would like these scores/png's to have titles and page numbers in the ToC
>> - how can I do this please?
>>
>> Many thanks in advance,
>>
>> Julian
>>
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document: Insert pages into ToC without visible Headers

[Paul D. Mirowsky]

Hello Julian

Have you heard of MuseScore: https://musescore.org/en


About SVGs:
You can export your score to SVG image format and import that into 
LibreOffice (=LO).
If you want to split the multipage SVG from Musescore into multiple 
single page SVG-files you can use the

Musescore SVG Splitter from the SVG-Tools:
http://struckkai.blogspot.de/2016/02/svg-tools.html

About PDFs:
True importing of PDFs into LO really doesn't give usable results.

But there is another way: Merging Score-PDFs into a LO-exported PDF. 
So while working in LO you don't see the content of the PDF but only a 
placeholder. When you export to PDF The score-PDF gets merged in.
This requires the external commandline tool PDFtk installed and the 
LibreOffice document that you get here:

LibreOfficeSongbookArchitect (LOSA)
http://struckkai.blogspot.de/2015/04/libreofficesongbookarchitect.html


From https://musescore.org/en/node/103821

While I have not test the SVG export, it would probably give you much 
better appearance at varying window sizes.


Hope this helps.

Paul


On 10/11/2016 8:53 AM, Julian Brooks wrote:

Hi all,

In my Master Document I have a couple of Appendices.
One of the appendices is a bunch of scores, rendered as 'png's.
These scores take up the whole page, and I don't want them to have headers
(all the info is already on the score/png.

I would like these scores/png's to have titles and page numbers in the ToC
- how can I do this please?

Many thanks in advance,

Julian




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document: Insert pages into ToC without visible Headers

[Julian Brooks]

Thank you Regina,

That works a treat.

Steve, appreciate your pitching in too - I haven't tested your approach as
Regina's works perfectly (I started with the most recent message:)

Great stuff, thanks all.

Julian

On 11 October 2016 at 20:35, Regina Henschel 
wrote:

> Hi Julian,
>
> Julian Brooks schrieb:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> In my Master Document I have a couple of Appendices.
>> One of the appendices is a bunch of scores, rendered as 'png's.
>> These scores take up the whole page, and I don't want them to have headers
>> (all the info is already on the score/png.
>>
>> I would like these scores/png's to have titles and page numbers in the ToC
>> - how can I do this please?
>>
>
> You can use an index entry, which will be invisible in the document.
>
> * Set the cursor to a paragraph on the page of the image. It may be an
> empty paragraph.
> * Goto Insert > Table of Content and Index > Index Entry.
> * Make sure, that for the field 'Index' the item 'Table of Contents' is
> selected.
> * Enter the desired text in the field 'Entry' and select the desired
> outline level.
> * Click Insert. I'm not sure whether you need to close the dialog before
> entering the next entry.
>
> When you insert the TOC or later edit the TOC, make sure that the option
> 'Create from Index Marks' on the tab 'Type' is checked.
>
> That works for normal documents. I've not tested it for Master Documents.
>
> Kind regards
> Regina
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document: Insert pages into ToC without visible Headers

[Regina Henschel]

Hi Julian,

Julian Brooks schrieb:

Hi all,

In my Master Document I have a couple of Appendices.
One of the appendices is a bunch of scores, rendered as 'png's.
These scores take up the whole page, and I don't want them to have headers
(all the info is already on the score/png.

I would like these scores/png's to have titles and page numbers in the ToC
- how can I do this please?


You can use an index entry, which will be invisible in the document.

* Set the cursor to a paragraph on the page of the image. It may be an 
empty paragraph.

* Goto Insert > Table of Content and Index > Index Entry.
* Make sure, that for the field 'Index' the item 'Table of Contents' is 
selected.
* Enter the desired text in the field 'Entry' and select the desired 
outline level.
* Click Insert. I'm not sure whether you need to close the dialog before 
entering the next entry.


When you insert the TOC or later edit the TOC, make sure that the option 
'Create from Index Marks' on the tab 'Type' is checked.


That works for normal documents. I've not tested it for Master Documents.

Kind regards
Regina

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document: Insert pages into ToC without visible Headers

[Steve Edmonds]

Don't know if this works for you. I just added text to a blank page 
"Scores", header 1 style, so it appears in my TOC as "Scores".
I then added an image and set it to "Wrap through" and resized it to 
cover the whole page.


The image sits over the text so you can't see it but the text appears in 
the TOC.

Steve


On 2016-10-12 01:53, Julian Brooks wrote:

Hi all,

In my Master Document I have a couple of Appendices.
One of the appendices is a bunch of scores, rendered as 'png's.
These scores take up the whole page, and I don't want them to have headers
(all the info is already on the score/png.

I would like these scores/png's to have titles and page numbers in the ToC
- how can I do this please?

Many thanks in advance,

Julian




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document: Insert pages into ToC without visible Headers

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Nope.  Not that i know of.  Hence why i find it important to save the extra
text (and formatting if possible - and i am not sure how to handle creating
links tbh) in a separated document.

Apols and regards from
Tom :)


On 11 October 2016 at 17:23, Julian Brooks  wrote:

> Thanks Tom,
>
> Top tip.
>
> Anyway of making it persistent?
>
> On 11 October 2016 at 16:46, Tom Davies  wrote:
>
>> Hi :)
>> I think you can just click into the ToC and edit as you like.  If you do
>> add text in there it might be a good idea to keep a copy of that text
>> outside the document somewhere because when/if you "update" the ToC from
>> the right-click menu then it reverts to the standard layout again.
>>
>> Good luck!
>> Regards from
>> Tom :)
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11 October 2016 at 13:53, Julian Brooks  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> In my Master Document I have a couple of Appendices.
>>> One of the appendices is a bunch of scores, rendered as 'png's.
>>> These scores take up the whole page, and I don't want them to have
>>> headers
>>> (all the info is already on the score/png.
>>>
>>> I would like these scores/png's to have titles and page numbers in the
>>> ToC
>>> - how can I do this please?
>>>
>>> Many thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> Julian
>>>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document: Insert pages into ToC without visible Headers

[Julian Brooks]

Thanks Tom,

Top tip.

Anyway of making it persistent?

On 11 October 2016 at 16:46, Tom Davies  wrote:

> Hi :)
> I think you can just click into the ToC and edit as you like.  If you do
> add text in there it might be a good idea to keep a copy of that text
> outside the document somewhere because when/if you "update" the ToC from
> the right-click menu then it reverts to the standard layout again.
>
> Good luck!
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
> On 11 October 2016 at 13:53, Julian Brooks  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> In my Master Document I have a couple of Appendices.
>> One of the appendices is a bunch of scores, rendered as 'png's.
>> These scores take up the whole page, and I don't want them to have headers
>> (all the info is already on the score/png.
>>
>> I would like these scores/png's to have titles and page numbers in the ToC
>> - how can I do this please?
>>
>> Many thanks in advance,
>>
>> Julian
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document: Insert pages into ToC without visible Headers

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I think you can just click into the ToC and edit as you like.  If you do
add text in there it might be a good idea to keep a copy of that text
outside the document somewhere because when/if you "update" the ToC from
the right-click menu then it reverts to the standard layout again.

Good luck!
Regards from
Tom :)



On 11 October 2016 at 13:53, Julian Brooks  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> In my Master Document I have a couple of Appendices.
> One of the appendices is a bunch of scores, rendered as 'png's.
> These scores take up the whole page, and I don't want them to have headers
> (all the info is already on the score/png.
>
> I would like these scores/png's to have titles and page numbers in the ToC
> - how can I do this please?
>
> Many thanks in advance,
>
> Julian
>
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[libreoffice-users] Master Document: Insert pages into ToC without visible Headers

[Julian Brooks]

Hi all,

In my Master Document I have a couple of Appendices.
One of the appendices is a bunch of scores, rendered as 'png's.
These scores take up the whole page, and I don't want them to have headers
(all the info is already on the score/png.

I would like these scores/png's to have titles and page numbers in the ToC
- how can I do this please?

Many thanks in advance,

Julian

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document

[Jean-Francois Nifenecker]

Le 25/03/2014 22:32, Dale Erwin a écrit :
 Yes, but there is more to it than just the first word and the last word.
  The first word is straightforward enough, except that sometimes it
 might consist of more than just one word.  But the last word does not
 refer to the actual last word on the page, but the last headword of a
 dictionary entry which also might sometimes consist of more than one
 word.  But it's moot since there are no such fields available.
 

You need to:

1. Set a character style to the dictionary headwords as already
suggested in this thread,

2. Then, using a macro (can't see any way to do that with standard tools
in Writer),

2.a. search forward from the beginning of the page for the very first
character sequence on a page with that style
- you've found the first word

2.B. similarly from the end of the page, search backwards for the very
last character sequence formatted using that style
- you've found the last word.

And that's it. Well, I'm completely unable to write any such piece of
code but no doubt this can be done, though the devil might be in some
details.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document

[Brian Barker]

At 23:26 24/03/2014 -0500, Dale Erwin wrote:
... the instructions for creating a master document.  First you 
create a template which has all the styles defined in it.  Then the 
master document and all subdocuments are created from this 
template.  The only problem is that if changes to any style becomes 
necessary, I've not found any way to make the changes in one place 
and have them take effect in all files which were already created 
before the changes were made.


I don't think you generally need to do this.  It's surely not 
important to be able to see any such changes in the subdocuments: 
what matters is only how the final (master) document appears.  If 
your structure is right and you change the styles in the master 
document, you should have all that you need.


Up to now, I've had to make such changes in the template as well as 
in each file which has already been created from the template.


Unless you are going to create further subdocuments (and possibly not 
even then), there is no point in changing the template, I think.  But 
if you do, you get a chance to update documents created from the 
template to use any modified styles when you next open those 
documents, so you should not need to make changes as well as in each 
file - only perhaps to open those files, accept the offer, and re-save them.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document

[Tanstaafl]

On 3/24/2014 8:34 PM, Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote:

I would think that would take away the benefit of a master document. By
having the style controlled by one master document, you get consistent
formatting throughout. If that could be disabled, you could have
different chapters with different formatting all because one or two
chapter files had their styles set up differently.


But what if someone *wanted* the formatting to be controlled by the sub 
document(s)?



I like the control provided by the master document. It frees me up to
not think so much about formatting in my sub-documents knowing that the
master will fix it all.


Having the option one way or another (the current way as default makes 
sense though) provides more control, no?


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Thanks :)  yeh, my interpretation of what the original poster asked
is that he is looking for exactly that.  More like css than the
sensible way it is done at the moment.

Regards from
Tom :)

On 25 March 2014 10:24, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
 On 3/24/2014 8:34 PM, Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote:

 I would think that would take away the benefit of a master document. By
 having the style controlled by one master document, you get consistent
 formatting throughout. If that could be disabled, you could have
 different chapters with different formatting all because one or two
 chapter files had their styles set up differently.


 But what if someone *wanted* the formatting to be controlled by the sub
 document(s)?

 I like the control provided by the master document. It frees me up to
 not think so much about formatting in my sub-documents knowing that the
 master will fix it all.


 Having the option one way or another (the current way as default makes sense
 though) provides more control, no?


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document

[Virgil Arrington]

I agree, Brian, that one generally need need to worry about style 
precision in subdocuments, since the master document controls the final 
output. That's the beauty of the master document process. It's almost 
LyX-like in its execution (what you see is what you /mean/).


But, I sense that the way Dale is creating his faux headers in his 
subdocuments, he needs an accurate wysiwyg display on each page of each 
subdocument, which would, of course, require that each subdocument have 
styles that exactly match those of the master document so that, while 
he's editing, he can have total comfort that the final output will be as 
he's created it.


So, instead of looking at this as a possible bug (which it isn't), 
perhaps pursue a feature request to have a Field that would pick up the 
first and last words of each page. Then he could put just the field in a 
true header and have the perfect solution.


Virgil


On 3/25/2014 2:31 AM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 23:26 24/03/2014 -0500, Dale Erwin wrote:
... the instructions for creating a master document.  First you 
create a template which has all the styles defined in it.  Then the 
master document and all subdocuments are created from this template.  
The only problem is that if changes to any style becomes necessary, 
I've not found any way to make the changes in one place and have them 
take effect in all files which were already created before the 
changes were made.


I don't think you generally need to do this.  It's surely not 
important to be able to see any such changes in the subdocuments: what 
matters is only how the final (master) document appears.  If your 
structure is right and you change the styles in the master document, 
you should have all that you need.


Up to now, I've had to make such changes in the template as well as 
in each file which has already been created from the template.


Unless you are going to create further subdocuments (and possibly not 
even then), there is no point in changing the template, I think.  But 
if you do, you get a chance to update documents created from the 
template to use any modified styles when you next open those 
documents, so you should not need to make changes as well as in each 
file - only perhaps to open those files, accept the offer, and 
re-save them.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document

[Toki]

On 3/24/2014 5:27 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:
I'm wondering if there is a way to define a field as the first word on
 the page and the last word on the page (like in a dictionary).

In the last decade, there have been roughly a dozen requests to various 
mailing lists for a feature along those lines.  Usually, but not always, 
it is related to dictionary construction.


The workarounds I'm aware of, have placed either the first word of the 
first new paragraph, or the first word of the last paragraph of the 
previous page, in the page header.


One workaround also managed to place the last word of the page in the 
header field, but it required:

* Triple Spacing between paragraphs;
* Manually setting things for every page;
* Manually changing things every time there was any textual _or_ 
formatting changes anywhere in the document;



I just glanced through the fields dialogs and nothing jumped out at me.


It is done by a combination of styles, and outline headers.
(Incidentally this use case is one of the reasons why there should LibO 
should allow users to construct more than ten levels of headers.)


jonathon


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document

[Dale Erwin]

On 3/25/2014 12:19 PM, Toki wrote:

On 3/24/2014 5:27 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:
I'm wondering if there is a way to define a field as the first word on
 the page and the last word on the page (like in a dictionary).

In the last decade, there have been roughly a dozen requests to 
various mailing lists for a feature along those lines.  Usually, but 
not always, it is related to dictionary construction.


The workarounds I'm aware of, have placed either the first word of the 
first new paragraph, or the first word of the last paragraph of the 
previous page, in the page header.




The only way I see possible to do this is to have a separate style for 
each page of the book.  Otherwise, every header of every page within a 
particular style always has the same text and formatting. If you change 
it on a succeeding page, all previous pages are also changed as long as 
they are governed by the same page style.


Dale Erwin

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document

[Virgil Arrington]

On 3/25/2014 3:38 PM, Dale Erwin wrote:


The only way I see possible to do this is to have a separate style for 
each page of the book.  Otherwise, every header of every page within a 
particular style always has the same text and formatting. If you 
change it on a succeeding page, all previous pages are also changed as 
long as they are governed by the same page style.


Dale Erwin



Not if there could be a field defined as the first (or last) word on the 
page. You would insert the appropriate Field Name in the header, and 
then the actual text would change from page to page without a need for a 
new style. That's what fields do, like page numbers.


Virgil


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document

[Dale Erwin]

On 3/25/2014 3:34 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:


On 3/25/2014 3:38 PM, Dale Erwin wrote:


The only way I see possible to do this is to have a separate style
for each page of the book.  Otherwise, every header of every page
within a particular style always has the same text and formatting. If
you change it on a succeeding page, all previous pages are also
changed as long as they are governed by the same page style.

Dale Erwin



Not if there could be a field defined as the first (or last) word on
the page. You would insert the appropriate Field Name in the header,
and then the actual text would change from page to page without a need
for a new style. That's what fields do, like page numbers.

Virgil


Yes, but there is more to it than just the first word and the last word. 
 The first word is straightforward enough, except that sometimes it 
might consist of more than just one word.  But the last word does not 
refer to the actual last word on the page, but the last headword of a 
dictionary entry which also might sometimes consist of more than one 
word.  But it's moot since there are no such fields available.


Dale Erwin

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document

[Virgil Arrington]

On 3/25/2014 5:32 PM, Dale Erwin wrote:
Yes, but there is more to it than just the first word and the last 
word.  The first word is straightforward enough, except that sometimes 
it might consist of more than just one word.  But the last word does 
not refer to the actual last word on the page, but the last headword 
of a dictionary entry which also might sometimes consist of more than 
one word.  But it's moot since there are no such fields available.


Dale Erwin



Now, you're getting way beyond my capabilities. Your situation seems 
difficult. Sorry I can't be more helpful.


Virgil

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document

[Brian Barker]

At 06:24 25/03/2014 -0400, Charles Marcus wrote:
But what if someone *wanted* the formatting to be controlled by the 
sub document(s)?


Then s/he should not be using a master document, which is surely 
meant for the situation in which control by the master document is 
desired?  To incorporate separate documents keeping their own 
properties, use sections - ticking Link and browsing to the component 
document file on the Section tab of the Insert Section dialogue.


Brian Barker  



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document

[Cley Faye]

2014-03-22 21:04 GMT+01:00 Dale Erwin dale.er...@casaerwin.org:

 Is there some reason why the master document does not render the
 sub-documents in the same was as they are rendered when opened separately?


​One possibility is that there is a style conflict/override.
​Master document's styles override sub-document's. If you have the same
stule name in both the master document and the sub document, you will see
the master document's version only.

This is usually a neat feature​ (you can produce various output style for
the same sub-document), but might be a bit confusing. Even more confusing
is that this include page styles too, and that point is easily overlooked.

If you simply want all styles in the master document to be the same as in a
sub-document, you can try this: open the master document, open the format
list if not already open. In the style and format toolbar (or sidebar),
there is a button in the top-right corner (probably called new style from
selection in english). Click it, and select load styles, then from a
file, then select one of your sub-document.
​These step should replace all styles in the master document with the one
in the sub-document. If this does fix your issue, remember to change only
styles in the master document to keep all of them in sync.​

​Of course, if that's not the issue at hand, feel free to dismiss my little
rant :)​


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Arrgh, that approach sounds like it might be worth creating a new
master document and then
1.  import the existing master document into that (in the way Cley described)
2.  go into styles and modify the important ones to rename them

3.  use Cley's advice to import the styles from the first sub-document
4.  again rename the important changed styles

5  repeat 34 for each sub-document

This almost certainly wont be perfect first time so don't aim to do to
much or be too perfect, just treat it as a test-run to find out which
styles need to be renamed.

Regards from
Tom :)





On 24 March 2014 07:53, Cley Faye cleyf...@gmail.com wrote:
 2014-03-22 21:04 GMT+01:00 Dale Erwin dale.er...@casaerwin.org:

 Is there some reason why the master document does not render the
 sub-documents in the same was as they are rendered when opened separately?


 One possibility is that there is a style conflict/override.
 Master document's styles override sub-document's. If you have the same
 stule name in both the master document and the sub document, you will see
 the master document's version only.

 This is usually a neat feature (you can produce various output style for
 the same sub-document), but might be a bit confusing. Even more confusing
 is that this include page styles too, and that point is easily overlooked.

 If you simply want all styles in the master document to be the same as in a
 sub-document, you can try this: open the master document, open the format
 list if not already open. In the style and format toolbar (or sidebar),
 there is a button in the top-right corner (probably called new style from
 selection in english). Click it, and select load styles, then from a
 file, then select one of your sub-document.
 These step should replace all styles in the master document with the one
 in the sub-document. If this does fix your issue, remember to change only
 styles in the master document to keep all of them in sync.

 Of course, if that's not the issue at hand, feel free to dismiss my little
 rant :)


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document

[anne-ology]

   Well, I'm confused by your problem -
   I've been using LO since it was OO; merely using 'save as' when
I'm finished writing for the moment, then when I re-open it, I just start
writing again.

   Are you perchance, plopping some text - written in another style -
into the document?;
   if so, then that document's style will retain it's formatting
unless you first place it into a non-formattable document, as notepad.

   If you're plopping other text into the document, then this is not a
bug;
   it's designed in order to allow indentions, etc. within the
framework of the document - a nice touch which I like re. LO  ;-)

   If you're not plopping other text into the document, then I still
haven't a clue  ;-)



From: Dale Erwin dale.er...@casaerwin.org
Date: Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document
To: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com


I'm not sure what you mean by was it written in the same document?  Some
parts reside in the master document and can be edited when editing the
master document. Other parts reside in subdocuments and the master
documents only contains a pointer to them.  When the master document is
expanded, it then renders its own parts plus all those included in the
subdocuments.  From the master document, the text of the subdocuments is
read only and cannot be edited.

Since no one else has answered, I can only assume that no one here knows
the answer.  I think it must surely be a bug and I might file a bug report
later.  Right now, I cannot spare the time.  I don't really have a deadline
per se, but others are anxious and pressing me for the final copy.  I am
attempting now to copy all the files into one large document with the hope
that I can circumvent the problem in that way, but it's a lot of work.

I am a little embarrassed by all this because I had quite a bit of
opposition to using OpenOffice back at the start of this project.

Dale Erwin



On 3/23/2014 2:26 PM, anne-ology wrote:

 very interesting, in a strange sort of way  ;-)

 Maybe this is a bug in the LO4.*s -

 Dale Erwin -
Question - was it written in the same document?, then the whole
 changed its format?

 I'm hoping you receive a response from someone who knows the
 answer -
 I too will be awaiting the solution to this problem.



 From: Dale Erwin dale.er...@casaerwin.org
 Date: Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 3:04 PM
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Master Document
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org


 Using LibreOffice 4.1.5 on Win 7 home premium:

 I have a master document with 50 sub-documents.  The problem I am having is
 that the sub-documents are not rendered the same way when opened separately
 as when opened in the master document.

 This is a bilingual dictionary with an English-Neapolitan section and a
 Neapolitan-English section.  Each letter of each section is contained in
 its own sub-document.  For each letter, at the top of the page, on left
 (even numbered) pages, there appears the first word on the page,
 left-justified, in slightly larger font, and on right (odd numbered) pages,
 the last word on the page, right-justified and in slightly larger font.

 This cannot be accomplished using headers since it must be different on
 each page.  Well, I suppose it could be accomplished using headers but it
 would require a separate style for every page in the nearly 400 page book.
   Consequently, I have used the first line on each page for this purpose
 with the regular text pushed down and beginning on the fourth line.

 This has a very aesthetically pleasing appearance in the sub-documents, but
 in the master document the line spacing is obviously not rendered in the
 same way so that on some pages in the master document, the first line will
 be what was the last line in the previous page of the sub-document, pushing
 the headline word down... and obviously unusable.

 Is there some reason why the master document does not render the
 sub-documents in the same was as they are rendered when opened separately?

 Dale Erwin



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document

[Brian Barker]

At 16:27 23/03/2014 -0500, Dale Erwin wrote:
Since no one else has answered, I can only assume that no one here 
knows the answer.


Er, there have been five responses to your message (all archived on 
the web).  You may not have liked them, but it's not true that no-one answered.



I think it must surely be a bug and I might file a bug report later.


I suspect you'll be told that subdocument text is meant to be 
reformatted according to the master document's insistence.  Isn't 
that the function of the master document?


I am attempting now to copy all the files into one large document 
with the hope that I can circumvent the problem in that way, but 
it's a lot of work.


You may find that improving the structure of your subdocuments 
obviates this.  What you are now doing is merely choosing not to use 
the master document functionality.


I am a little embarrassed by all this because I had quite a bit of 
opposition to using OpenOffice back at the start of this project.


I think we are talking about LibreOffice, in fact.  And I suspect 
that it will do what you need.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Is it possible to completely disable all the styles in a master
document so that the ones from the sub-document do remain untouched?
Regards from
Tom :)

On 24 March 2014 09:31, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi :)
 Arrgh, that approach sounds like it might be worth creating a new
 master document and then
 1.  import the existing master document into that (in the way Cley described)
 2.  go into styles and modify the important ones to rename them

 3.  use Cley's advice to import the styles from the first sub-document
 4.  again rename the important changed styles

 5  repeat 34 for each sub-document

 This almost certainly wont be perfect first time so don't aim to do to
 much or be too perfect, just treat it as a test-run to find out which
 styles need to be renamed.

 Regards from
 Tom :)





 On 24 March 2014 07:53, Cley Faye cleyf...@gmail.com wrote:
 2014-03-22 21:04 GMT+01:00 Dale Erwin dale.er...@casaerwin.org:

 Is there some reason why the master document does not render the
 sub-documents in the same was as they are rendered when opened separately?


 One possibility is that there is a style conflict/override.
 Master document's styles override sub-document's. If you have the same
 stule name in both the master document and the sub document, you will see
 the master document's version only.

 This is usually a neat feature (you can produce various output style for
 the same sub-document), but might be a bit confusing. Even more confusing
 is that this include page styles too, and that point is easily overlooked.

 If you simply want all styles in the master document to be the same as in a
 sub-document, you can try this: open the master document, open the format
 list if not already open. In the style and format toolbar (or sidebar),
 there is a button in the top-right corner (probably called new style from
 selection in english). Click it, and select load styles, then from a
 file, then select one of your sub-document.
 These step should replace all styles in the master document with the one
 in the sub-document. If this does fix your issue, remember to change only
 styles in the master document to keep all of them in sync.

 Of course, if that's not the issue at hand, feel free to dismiss my little
 rant :)


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document

[Virgil Arrington]

I'm wondering if there is a way to define a field as the first word on 
the page and the last word on the page (like in a dictionary). If that 
could be done, then the desired information could be placed in a header, 
as Dale wants to do. That would obviate the manual gymnastics that he's 
trying to do.


I just glanced through the fields dialogs and nothing jumped out at me.

Virgil


On 3/24/2014 2:25 PM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 16:27 23/03/2014 -0500, Dale Erwin wrote:
Since no one else has answered, I can only assume that no one here 
knows the answer.


Er, there have been five responses to your message (all archived on 
the web).  You may not have liked them, but it's not true that no-one 
answered.



I think it must surely be a bug and I might file a bug report later.


I suspect you'll be told that subdocument text is meant to be 
reformatted according to the master document's insistence.  Isn't that 
the function of the master document?


I am attempting now to copy all the files into one large document 
with the hope that I can circumvent the problem in that way, but it's 
a lot of work.


You may find that improving the structure of your subdocuments 
obviates this.  What you are now doing is merely choosing not to use 
the master document functionality.


I am a little embarrassed by all this because I had quite a bit of 
opposition to using OpenOffice back at the start of this project.


I think we are talking about LibreOffice, in fact.  And I suspect that 
it will do what you need.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document

[Virgil Arrington]

On 3/24/2014 3:51 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Is it possible to completely disable all the styles in a master
document so that the ones from the sub-document do remain untouched?
Regards from
Tom :)

I would think that would take away the benefit of a master document. By 
having the style controlled by one master document, you get consistent 
formatting throughout. If that could be disabled, you could have 
different chapters with different formatting all because one or two 
chapter files had their styles set up differently.


I like the control provided by the master document. It frees me up to 
not think so much about formatting in my sub-documents knowing that the 
master will fix it all.


For example, I can create subdocuments using a Consolas font, an 
excellent typeface for onscreen editing. Then, I set the master document 
with Linux Libertine G, a great font for publishing, but not so great 
for onscreen editing. When I go to compile and print, voila, my master 
document is perfectly formatted, changing Consolas to Libertine *and* 
fixing any minor style deviations I may have inadvertently created.


Virgil

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document

[Dale Erwin]

On 3/24/2014 2:51 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Is it possible to completely disable all the styles in a master
document so that the ones from the sub-document do remain untouched?
Regards from
Tom :)
That should not be necessary if you follow the instructions for creating 
a master document.  First you create a template which has all the styles 
defined in it.  Then the master document and all subdocuments are 
created from this template.  The only problem is that if changes to any 
style becomes necessary, I've not found any way to make the changes in 
one place and have them take effect in all files which were alreated 
created before the changes were made. Up to now, I've had to make such 
changes in the template as well as in each file which has already been 
created from the template.



On 24 March 2014 09:31, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi :)
Arrgh, that approach sounds like it might be worth creating a new
master document and then
1.  import the existing master document into that (in the way Cley described)
2.  go into styles and modify the important ones to rename them

3.  use Cley's advice to import the styles from the first sub-document
4.  again rename the important changed styles

5  repeat 34 for each sub-document

This almost certainly wont be perfect first time so don't aim to do to
much or be too perfect, just treat it as a test-run to find out which
styles need to be renamed.

Regards from
Tom :)





On 24 March 2014 07:53, Cley Faye cleyf...@gmail.com wrote:

2014-03-22 21:04 GMT+01:00 Dale Erwin dale.er...@casaerwin.org:


Is there some reason why the master document does not render the
sub-documents in the same was as they are rendered when opened separately?


One possibility is that there is a style conflict/override.
Master document's styles override sub-document's. If you have the same
stule name in both the master document and the sub document, you will see
the master document's version only.

This is usually a neat feature (you can produce various output style for
the same sub-document), but might be a bit confusing. Even more confusing
is that this include page styles too, and that point is easily overlooked.

If you simply want all styles in the master document to be the same as in a
sub-document, you can try this: open the master document, open the format
list if not already open. In the style and format toolbar (or sidebar),
there is a button in the top-right corner (probably called new style from
selection in english). Click it, and select load styles, then from a
file, then select one of your sub-document.
These step should replace all styles in the master document with the one
in the sub-document. If this does fix your issue, remember to change only
styles in the master document to keep all of them in sync.

Of course, if that's not the issue at hand, feel free to dismiss my little
rant :)


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document

[anne-ology]

   very interesting, in a strange sort of way  ;-)

   Maybe this is a bug in the LO4.*s -

   Dale Erwin -
  Question - was it written in the same document?, then the whole
changed its format?

   I'm hoping you receive a response from someone who knows the answer -
   I too will be awaiting the solution to this problem.



From: Dale Erwin dale.er...@casaerwin.org
Date: Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 3:04 PM
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Master Document
To: users@global.libreoffice.org


Using LibreOffice 4.1.5 on Win 7 home premium:

I have a master document with 50 sub-documents.  The problem I am having is
that the sub-documents are not rendered the same way when opened separately
as when opened in the master document.

This is a bilingual dictionary with an English-Neapolitan section and a
Neapolitan-English section.  Each letter of each section is contained in
its own sub-document.  For each letter, at the top of the page, on left
(even numbered) pages, there appears the first word on the page,
left-justified, in slightly larger font, and on right (odd numbered) pages,
the last word on the page, right-justified and in slightly larger font.

This cannot be accomplished using headers since it must be different on
each page.  Well, I suppose it could be accomplished using headers but it
would require a separate style for every page in the nearly 400 page book.
 Consequently, I have used the first line on each page for this purpose
with the regular text pushed down and beginning on the fourth line.

This has a very aesthetically pleasing appearance in the sub-documents, but
in the master document the line spacing is obviously not rendered in the
same way so that on some pages in the master document, the first line will
be what was the last line in the previous page of the sub-document, pushing
the headline word down... and obviously unusable.

Is there some reason why the master document does not render the
sub-documents in the same was as they are rendered when opened separately?

Dale Erwin

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document

[Brian Barker]

At 15:04 22/03/2014 -0500, Dale Erwin wrote:
I have a master document with 50 sub-documents.  The problem I am 
having is that the sub-documents are not rendered the same way when 
opened separately as when opened in the master document.


Surely that is how master documents work?  The master document, for 
example, defines the page style; consequently such properties of the 
subdocuments as headers and footers and margins are overridden by 
those defined for the master document.  In addition, new styles in 
subdocuments are automatically imported into a master document, but 
similarly named styles do not overwrite existing styles there.  So 
styled text can change its appearance - including, obviously, size 
and thus layout - as it appears in the master document.


... at the top of the page, on left (even numbered) pages, there 
appears the first word on the page, left-justified, in slightly 
larger font, and on right (odd numbered) pages, the last word on the 
page, right-justified and in slightly larger font.  [...]  ... I 
have used the first line on each page for this purpose with the 
regular text pushed down and beginning on the fourth line.


There is really no such thing in word-processing terms as lines on a 
page, only vertical spacing.  (Lines went out with typewriters.)  So 
you shouldn't be thinking of the fourth line in this context.  You 
might well do better to set whatever spacing you need as spacing 
below paragraph in the paragraph styles you use for your headings.


This has a very aesthetically pleasing appearance in the 
sub-documents, but in the master document the line spacing is 
obviously not rendered in the same way so that on some pages in the 
master document, the first line will be what was the last line in 
the previous page of the sub-document, pushing the headline word 
down... and obviously unusable.


You might be able to improve the effect you need by paying attention 
to the particular way you achieve in the subdocuments the layout you 
need, as suggested above.  Your mention of a very aesthetically 
pleasing appearance is a giveaway: you need to pay attention to the 
structure of your subdocuments, not just their appearance, if you 
want them to carry over appropriately into the master document.  Does 
your text simply flow from page to page, for another example, or do 
you use explicit page breaks (possibly included as a paragraph or 
paragraph style property)?  Better the latter.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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[libreoffice-users] Master Document

[Dale Erwin]

Using LibreOffice 4.1.5 on Win 7 home premium:

I have a master document with 50 sub-documents.  The problem I am having 
is that the sub-documents are not rendered the same way when opened 
separately as when opened in the master document.


This is a bilingual dictionary with an English-Neapolitan section and a 
Neapolitan-English section.  Each letter of each section is contained in 
its own sub-document.  For each letter, at the top of the page, on left 
(even numbered) pages, there appears the first word on the page, 
left-justified, in slightly larger font, and on right (odd numbered) 
pages, the last word on the page, right-justified and in slightly larger 
font.


This cannot be accomplished using headers since it must be different on 
each page.  Well, I suppose it could be accomplished using headers but 
it would require a separate style for every page in the nearly 400 page 
book.  Consequently, I have used the first line on each page for this 
purpose with the regular text pushed down and beginning on the fourth line.


This has a very aesthetically pleasing appearance in the sub-documents, 
but in the master document the line spacing is obviously not rendered in 
the same way so that on some pages in the master document, the first 
line will be what was the last line in the previous page of the 
sub-document, pushing the headline word down... and obviously unusable.


Is there some reason why the master document does not render the 
sub-documents in the same was as they are rendered when opened separately?


Dale Erwin

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document Alphabetical Index [Not including all sub-documents]

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 14:51 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
 On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 14:00 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote:
  On 2013-11-05 7:47 AM, Adam  Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org wrote:
   Still having the same issue on:
   Version: 4.1.1.2
   Build ID: 410m0(Build:2)
  Why would you post a reply about a 6 month old version as 'still having 
  the same issue...'?
 Well, it has been that way since 3.6:build-304

Still the same condition in 4.1.2.3:build410m0

Are there any debugging tips.  I run libreoffice from the command line
so maybe I could see any warnings or standard-error output - nothing.
Is there a debug console, a way to enable some kind of logging, etc...?

 For one, I am curious if any other user sees this issue?  Or has a
 work-around?  
 This is a user list, after all. 
 It is quite frustrating, I have been maintaining large documents in
 OOo/LOo for years;  this breaking has been unpleasant to say the least.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document Alphabetical Index [Not including all sub-documents]

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Wed, 2013-11-06 at 06:13 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
 On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 14:51 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
  On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 14:00 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote:
   On 2013-11-05 7:47 AM, Adam  Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org 
   wrote:
Still having the same issue on:
Version: 4.1.1.2
Build ID: 410m0(Build:2)
   Why would you post a reply about a 6 month old version as 'still having 
   the same issue...'?
  Well, it has been that way since 3.6:build-304
 Still the same condition in 4.1.2.3:build410m0
 Are there any debugging tips.  I run libreoffice from the command line
 so maybe I could see any warnings or standard-error output - nothing.
 Is there a debug console, a way to enable some kind of logging, etc...?

I did also try to export the master document (odm) to a write document
(odt).  The export worked, but the alphabetical index remains broken;
it is possible to search for a term and find it in places that are not
represented in the index.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document Alphabetical Index [Not including all sub-documents]

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Thu, 2013-06-06 at 12:47 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
 On Tue, 2013-06-04 at 14:52 +0300, Simos Xenitellis wrote:
  On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Adam Tauno Williams
  awill...@whitemice.org wrote:
  Version 3.6:build-304 (Build ID: 360m1(Build:304)) openSUSE
  12.3/x86_64
 I have a LibreOffice master document with many sub-documents
 Can you put online a ZIP file with such sample documents so that 
 one can easily try to replicate the issue?
  It can very well be a document with placeholders instead of the
  content you are writing.
 Yep, uploaded @
 https://sourceforge.net/projects/coils/files/Documents/WMOGAG-Coils-201306061240EDT.zip/download
 Open the WMOGAG.odm and the appendix is at the end.

Still having the same issue on:

   Version: 4.1.1.2
   Build ID: 410m0(Build:2)

Only some, a very small portion, of the content seems to be included in
Alphabetical index, or the Illustration Index.   Removing and recreating
the index produces the same result, consistently.

  Being able to easily replicate without having to recreate the document
  structure, is very important.
  It will help as well to create a bug report, if needed.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document Alphabetical Index [Not including all sub-documents]

[Tanstaafl]

On 2013-11-05 7:47 AM, Adam  Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org wrote:

Still having the same issue on:

Version: 4.1.1.2
Build ID: 410m0(Build:2)


Why would you post a reply about a 6 month old version as 'still having 
the same issue...'?


Why not try on the latest shipping version (4.1.3)?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document Alphabetical Index [Not including all sub-documents]

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 14:00 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote:
 On 2013-11-05 7:47 AM, Adam  Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org wrote:
  Still having the same issue on:
  Version: 4.1.1.2
  Build ID: 410m0(Build:2)
 Why would you post a reply about a 6 month old version as 'still having 
 the same issue...'?

Well, it has been that way since 3.6:build-304

For one, I am curious if any other user sees this issue?  Or has a
work-around?  

This is a user list, after all. 

It is quite frustrating, I have been maintaining large documents in
OOo/LOo for years;  this breaking has been unpleasant to say the least.

 Why not try on the latest shipping version (4.1.3)?

Agree.  I assumed by version was more current than that; as it pulls
from the LibreOffice:/Unstable/openSUSE_12.3 repository. But it appears
that repository only goes up the 4.1.1.2.  

I will test again on a more current version.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document Alphabetical Index [Not including all sub-documents]

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I think you might need to ask on the QA mailing list or the devs list (or irc 
or whatever) as they are more likely to be able to help get the output you are 
looking for.  

I forget whether you have already posted a bug-report.  If not it might be a 
good idea just to make it easier to be in contact with the QA team properly.  

Regards from 
Tom :)  







 From: Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org
To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Thursday, 6 June 2013, 17:57
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document  Alphabetical Index [Not 
including all sub-documents]
 

On Tue, 2013-06-04 at 14:21 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 Does the bug-report page show how to do an s-trace and is that the
 sort of thing you are looking for?  Are you able to start LibreOffice
 from the command-line?  Perhaps try opening it like that with a
 verbose tag?

verbose tag?   I do not see any documentation for a --version,
-version, -v, etc 

Running soffice on the command line and opening the document does not
produce any messages on standard-error or standard-out.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document Alphabetical Index [Not including all sub-documents]

[Simos Xenitellis]

On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:


 I think you might need to ask on the QA mailing list or the devs list (or
 irc or whatever) as they are more likely to be able to help get the output
 you are looking for.

 I forget whether you have already posted a bug-report.  If not it might be
 a good idea just to make it easier to be in contact with the QA team
 properly.


There is no bug report on this yet (if there was, it would have been
announced).
Thus,
1. if you can easily get someone to slim down the document and still
exhibit the bug, then slim it down, then make the bug report.
2. Otherwise make the bug report with the document as is, and let others to
contribute to the sliming down of the document.
In all cases add a PDF of the output that you currently see, give an
example of text that is now showing up.

Simos

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document Alphabetical Index [Not including all sub-documents]

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Fri, 2013-06-07 at 00:50 +0300, Simos Xenitellis wrote:
 On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Adam Tauno Williams 
  structure, is very important.
  It will help as well to create a bug report, if needed.

Will do

 I opened the WMOGAG.odm master document and I could not find the
 Appendix. The last section is the Alphabetic Index. Running Ubuntu
 12.10 with LibreOffice 4.0.3.3.

Yes, sorry I meant Alphabetic Index, not Appending.

 Perhaps you can post a PDF of what you are actually seeing with your
 LibreOffice?

https://sourceforge.net/projects/coils/files/Documents/WMOGAG-Coils-20130607090123EDT.pdf/download

For example, LDAP appears in the Index and has one page number;  but
LDAP appears many times throughout the document, the index does find
those.

Also CalDAV is included in the concordance, and occurs many times in the
document, but does not appear in the index.

 Ideally you would make a copy of the document and then try to simplify
 it; remove text so that the document is much smaller, but still
 exhibits the issue. If you manage to make it very small, then it would
 make it easier for someone to investigate the OpenDocument inner
 structure in case something it wrong.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document Alphabetical Index [Not including all sub-documents]

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Tue, 2013-06-04 at 14:52 +0300, Simos Xenitellis wrote:
 On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Adam Tauno Williams
 awill...@whitemice.org wrote:
 Version 3.6:build-304 (Build ID: 360m1(Build:304)) openSUSE
 12.3/x86_64
I have a LibreOffice master document with many sub-documents
Can you put online a ZIP file with such sample documents so that 
one can easily try to replicate the issue?
 It can very well be a document with placeholders instead of the
 content you are writing.

Yep, uploaded @
https://sourceforge.net/projects/coils/files/Documents/WMOGAG-Coils-201306061240EDT.zip/download

Open the WMOGAG.odm and the appendix is at the end.

 Being able to easily replicate without having to recreate the document
 structure, is very important.
 It will help as well to create a bug report, if needed.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document Alphabetical Index [Not including all sub-documents]

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Tue, 2013-06-04 at 14:21 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 Does the bug-report page show how to do an s-trace and is that the
 sort of thing you are looking for?  Are you able to start LibreOffice
 from the command-line?  Perhaps try opening it like that with a
 verbose tag?

verbose tag?   I do not see any documentation for a --version,
-version, -v, etc 

Running soffice on the command line and opening the document does not
produce any messages on standard-error or standard-out.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document Alphabetical Index [Not including all sub-documents]

[Simos Xenitellis]

On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Adam Tauno Williams
awill...@whitemice.orgwrote:

 On Tue, 2013-06-04 at 14:52 +0300, Simos Xenitellis wrote:
  On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Adam Tauno Williams
  awill...@whitemice.org wrote:
  Version 3.6:build-304 (Build ID: 360m1(Build:304)) openSUSE
  12.3/x86_64
 I have a LibreOffice master document with many sub-documents
 Can you put online a ZIP file with such sample documents so that
 one can easily try to replicate the issue?
  It can very well be a document with placeholders instead of the
  content you are writing.

 Yep, uploaded @
 
 https://sourceforge.net/projects/coils/files/Documents/WMOGAG-Coils-201306061240EDT.zip/download
 

 Open the WMOGAG.odm and the appendix is at the end.

  Being able to easily replicate without having to recreate the document
  structure, is very important.
  It will help as well to create a bug report, if needed.


 I opened the WMOGAG.odm master document and I could not find the Appendix.
The last section is the Alphabetic Index. Running Ubuntu 12.10 with
LibreOffice 4.0.3.3.
Perhaps you can post a PDF of what you are actually seeing with your
LibreOffice?

Ideally you would make a copy of the document and then try to simplify it;
remove text so that the document is much smaller, but still exhibits the
issue. If you manage to make it very small, then it would make it easier
for someone to investigate the OpenDocument inner structure in case
something it wrong.

Simos

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document Alphabetical Index [Not including all sub-documents]

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Fri, 2013-05-24 at 07:46 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
 Version 3.6:build-304 (Build ID: 360m1(Build:304)) openSUSE 12.3/x86_64
 I have a LibreOffice master document with many sub-documents.
 At the beginning of the document, in the master document, is a Table Of
 Contents - it works, it generates a table of contents for the entire
 document, including all sub-documents.
 At the end is an Appending with a concordance.  It *previously* worked;
 but now I notice that it is only generating entries for a hand-ful of
 items.  It certain isn't including all the subdocuments.
 Is this a known bug, or is there possibly some setting that got changed?
 I have tried deleting and recreating the appendix but it does the same
 thing.

I upgraded to Version 4.0:build-303 (Build ID: 400m0(Build:303))  [the
contents of the openSUSE LibreOffice-Unstable repository].

So LibreOffice is now newer - and noticeably faster.

By my Appendix exhibits the same issue, it simply is not including the
full set of documents like it once did.   Any pointers would be
appreciated.

I've gone over and over the settings.  Is there any way to 'debug' what
the appendix is and is not including.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document Alphabetical Index [Not including all sub-documents]

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Tue, 2013-06-04 at 06:43 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
 On Fri, 2013-05-24 at 07:46 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
  Version 3.6:build-304 (Build ID: 360m1(Build:304)) openSUSE 12.3/x86_64
  I have a LibreOffice master document with many sub-documents.
  At the beginning of the document, in the master document, is a Table Of
  Contents - it works, it generates a table of contents for the entire
  document, including all sub-documents.
  At the end is an Appending with a concordance.  It *previously* worked;
  but now I notice that it is only generating entries for a hand-ful of
  items.  It certain isn't including all the subdocuments.
  Is this a known bug, or is there possibly some setting that got changed?
  I have tried deleting and recreating the appendix but it does the same
  thing.
 I upgraded to Version 4.0:build-303 (Build ID: 400m0(Build:303))  [the
 contents of the openSUSE LibreOffice-Unstable repository].
 So LibreOffice is now newer - and noticeably faster.
 By my Appendix exhibits the same issue, it simply is not including the
 full set of documents like it once did.   Any pointers would be
 appreciated.
 I've gone over and over the settings.  Is there any way to 'debug' what
 the appendix is and is not including.

In 4.0 removing and re-adding the appendix creates an appendix with the
identical index as before - even without specifying the concordance
file then selecting the update-index from the context manual
locks-up LibreOffice indefinitely.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document Alphabetical Index [Not including all sub-documents]

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Tue, 2013-06-04 at 07:08 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
 On Tue, 2013-06-04 at 06:43 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
  On Fri, 2013-05-24 at 07:46 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
   Version 3.6:build-304 (Build ID: 360m1(Build:304)) openSUSE 12.3/x86_64
   I have a LibreOffice master document with many sub-documents.
   At the beginning of the document, in the master document, is a Table Of
   Contents - it works, it generates a table of contents for the entire
   document, including all sub-documents.
   At the end is an Appending with a concordance.  It *previously* worked;
   but now I notice that it is only generating entries for a hand-ful of
   items.  It certain isn't including all the subdocuments.
   Is this a known bug, or is there possibly some setting that got changed?
   I have tried deleting and recreating the appendix but it does the same
   thing.
  I upgraded to Version 4.0:build-303 (Build ID: 400m0(Build:303))  [the
  contents of the openSUSE LibreOffice-Unstable repository].
  So LibreOffice is now newer - and noticeably faster.
  By my Appendix exhibits the same issue, it simply is not including the
  full set of documents like it once did.   Any pointers would be
  appreciated.
  I've gone over and over the settings.  Is there any way to 'debug' what
  the appendix is and is not including.
 In 4.0 removing and re-adding the appendix creates an appendix with the
 identical index as before - even without specifying the concordance
 file then selecting the update-index from the context manual
 locks-up LibreOffice indefinitely.

As an experiment I added an illustration index to the master
document and it creates an index of exactly one frame, from the
entire document that contains dozens and dozens of frames.   I checked
the options of that frame and do not see anything special.  Adjusting
other frames and doing an update-all + update-index = no change.

Can someone confirm that indexes are working in master documents in
recent versions?

Again, the table-of-contents in the master document appears to be
complete and updates correctly.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document Alphabetical Index [Not including all sub-documents]

[Simos Xenitellis]

On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org
 wrote:

 Version 3.6:build-304 (Build ID: 360m1(Build:304)) openSUSE 12.3/x86_64

 I have a LibreOffice master document with many sub-documents.

 At the beginning of the document, in the master document, is a Table Of
 Contents - it works, it generates a table of contents for the entire
 document, including all sub-documents.

 At the end is an Appending with a concordance.  It *previously* worked;
 but now I notice that it is only generating entries for a hand-ful of
 items.  It certain isn't including all the subdocuments.

 Is this a known bug, or is there possibly some setting that got changed?
 I have tried deleting and recreating the appendix but it does the same
 thing.


Can you put online a ZIP file with such sample documents so that one can
easily try to replicate the issue?
It can very well be a document with placeholders instead of the content you
are writing.

Being able to easily replicate without having to recreate the document
structure, is very important.
It will help as well to create a bug report, if needed.

Simos

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document Alphabetical Index [Not including all sub-documents]

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Does the bug-report page show how to do an s-trace and is that the sort of 
thing you are looking for?  Are you able to start LibreOffice from the 
command-line?  Perhaps try opening it like that with a verbose tag?
Regards from  
Tom :)  






 From: Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 4 June 2013, 11:43
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document  Alphabetical Index [Not 
including all sub-documents]
 

On Fri, 2013-05-24 at 07:46 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
 Version 3.6:build-304 (Build ID: 360m1(Build:304)) openSUSE 12.3/x86_64
 I have a LibreOffice master document with many sub-documents.
 At the beginning of the document, in the master document, is a Table Of
 Contents - it works, it generates a table of contents for the entire
 document, including all sub-documents.
 At the end is an Appending with a concordance.  It *previously* worked;
 but now I notice that it is only generating entries for a hand-ful of
 items.  It certain isn't including all the subdocuments.
 Is this a known bug, or is there possibly some setting that got changed?
 I have tried deleting and recreating the appendix but it does the same
 thing.

I upgraded to Version 4.0:build-303 (Build ID: 400m0(Build:303))  [the
contents of the openSUSE LibreOffice-Unstable repository].

So LibreOffice is now newer - and noticeably faster.

By my Appendix exhibits the same issue, it simply is not including the
full set of documents like it once did.   Any pointers would be
appreciated.

I've gone over and over the settings.  Is there any way to 'debug' what
the appendix is and is not including.




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[libreoffice-users] Master Document Alphabetical Index [Not including all sub-documents]

[Adam Tauno Williams]

Version 3.6:build-304 (Build ID: 360m1(Build:304)) openSUSE 12.3/x86_64

I have a LibreOffice master document with many sub-documents.

At the beginning of the document, in the master document, is a Table Of
Contents - it works, it generates a table of contents for the entire
document, including all sub-documents.

At the end is an Appending with a concordance.  It *previously* worked;
but now I notice that it is only generating entries for a hand-ful of
items.  It certain isn't including all the subdocuments.

Is this a known bug, or is there possibly some setting that got changed?
I have tried deleting and recreating the appendix but it does the same
thing.

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Fw: [libreoffice-users] Master Document issue

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Sorry about the last answer!  I'm forwarding this question to the 
Documentation Team as they might have a better and quicker answer than 
the Users List.  


I also don't have a good answer so i've tried to gather a few thoughts.  
The Writer Guide,  Chapter 13 Working with Master Documents, might be 
more helpful
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Writer_Guide


I suspect that when you open the master document it still asks if you 
want to update links?  Even if not then it might be worth doing a 
deliberate and easily spotted edit to one of the documents and then reopen the 
master to see if the edit 
appears.  


I think there are at least 2 ways of inserting documents into a master 
document.  Is it DDE-links that operate the way required?  The other way would 
be to insert as a section (i think) and it's possible that is 
what happened this time.  I'm not sure how to recover from that.  It 
might be best to do a new master but it might be possible to edit the 
xml file that is inside the Odt or DocX. The first time often takes ages but 
2nd time is really fast because there are tons of decisions and 
trivial issues that you had to wasde through and research first time but 2nd 
time around you already know what you are aiming for.  
Could you let us know which format the master document is saved in?  If 
you are using Windows then it probably hides the file-ending but if you 
hover the mouse over the documents icon then information about the file 
should pop-up in a yellow box.  Can you see if it's Odt, Od(?), DocX or 
something else?



Forwarding a post back to the list or starting a new fresh email are good ways 
to start a new thread.  Either way you need to copypaste or re-type the Users 
List address into the To field.  


On this list we should really be prepared to deal with cases where people 
are unfamiliar with mailing-lists and help them become familiar with 
things such as bottom-posting and other nuances that they may have never 
experienced in any other communication until now.  That is, if 
LibreOffice is to be a gateway project welcoming people into OpenSource 
rather than remaining a tiny niche product almost unknown and unheard of out in 
real offices around the world.  Just my opinion of course :)  


Good luck and regards fromTom :)  


- Forwarded Message -
From: Thomas Taylor li...@comcast.net
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2012, 0:34
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document issue
 
On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 18:40:28 -0400
David Burleigh david.burle...@parchmentpress.net wrote:

 I just spent many hours building a master document which links
 together all the chapters of a book, and everything was going fine
 until somehow, without any conscious action on my part, it embedded
 all the linked documents rather than keeping them as links. Can this
 be undone, that is, restoring the original links?
 
 This embedding action defeats the purpose entirely, as I need the
 ability to independently edit the linked documents. Then when I reopen
 the master document, it normally would display all the updates to the
 linked documents. I use Master Documents all the time in this way, and
 this mysterious embedding action has never happened before.
 

Hi David,
I'm sorry I can't answer your question.

I noticed that your message is in the middle of the existing thread
libreoffice-users] Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation
announces LibreOffice 3.5.7.  That looks like you hijacked the thread
and changed the subject.  First, that is poor etiquette, second your
are less likely to get a good response since it is buried in an
existing thread and does not stand out as a new thread.  Many of
us have over 100 messages per day and don't bother looking at a
thread that is not of interest to us.  Please, in the future, compose a
new message which will have its own thread.

Thanks, Tom

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[libreoffice-users] Master Document issue

[David Burleigh]

I just spent many hours building a master document which links together
all the chapters of a book, and everything was going fine until somehow,
without any conscious action on my part, it embedded all the linked
documents rather than keeping them as links. Can this be undone, that
is, restoring the original links?

This embedding action defeats the purpose entirely, as I need the
ability to independently edit the linked documents. Then when I reopen
the master document, it normally would display all the updates to the
linked documents. I use Master Documents all the time in this way, and
this mysterious embedding action has never happened before.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document issue

[Thomas Taylor]

On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 18:40:28 -0400
David Burleigh david.burle...@parchmentpress.net wrote:

 I just spent many hours building a master document which links
 together all the chapters of a book, and everything was going fine
 until somehow, without any conscious action on my part, it embedded
 all the linked documents rather than keeping them as links. Can this
 be undone, that is, restoring the original links?
 
 This embedding action defeats the purpose entirely, as I need the
 ability to independently edit the linked documents. Then when I reopen
 the master document, it normally would display all the updates to the
 linked documents. I use Master Documents all the time in this way, and
 this mysterious embedding action has never happened before.
 

Hi David,
I'm sorry I can't answer your question.

I noticed that your message is in the middle of the existing thread
libreoffice-users] Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation
announces LibreOffice 3.5.7.  That looks like you hijacked the thread
and changed the subject.  First, that is poor etiquette, second your
are less likely to get a good response since it is buried in an
existing thread and does not stand out as a new thread.  Many of
us have over 100 messages per day and don't bother looking at a
thread that is not of interest to us.  Please, in the future, compose a
new message which will have its own thread.

Thanks, Tom

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[libreoffice-users] Master Document numbering irregularities

[Rogier F. van Vlissingen]

LO 3.5.4.2 on Win7

In a Master Document of some 300 pages -- a book of some 15 chapters -- I
am seeing repeated jumps in page numbering in the middle of some chapters,
and by the end it adds up to a discrepancy of 10 pages, for utterly and
completely unclear reasons. E.g. the page numbering will jump from page 234
to 236, skipping page 235 in the middle of a chapter, and in all this
happens 10 times.

I don't know what causes it, so I have not found any way of dealing with
it. Except that apparently, in the course of making revisions, and running
a lot of update cycles, the problem gradually disappeared.

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[libreoffice-users] master document: removing links in Headings

[Joep L. Blom]

I have a small problem in a master document.
I have written (in various stages of completion) 8 chapters of a book 
and use a master document to keep it  orderly.
Now for some reason or other chapter 1 and chapter 3 are miraculously 
double displayed in the master document regular view in navigator under 
Headings. In master view I can see the normal 8 documents (i.e. the 
separate files with the texts of the chapters).
How can I get rid if the superfluous displays as they are displayed in 
the master document. To make it clear: I see chapter 8 (correct) and 
after the end of this chapter I see chapter 1 again (incorrect) and 
chapter 3 (incorrect).

I cannot delete these texts from the master document as they are read-only.
I hope there is a solution.
OS: Ubuntu Lucid
LO: 3.2.2.2.
Joep

P.S I sent this mail last week but with an incorrect header. Maybe 
somebody can help me out. Of course I can remove the hyperlinks to the 
documents but I don't think that's the solution.


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