Outlining in LibreOffice WAS: [Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice]

[Charles-H. Schulz]

Hello Virgil,

Closing this thread once and for all by reacting to something completely 
different



Le 21.01.2016 16:11, Virgil Arrington a écrit :

On 01/21/2016 09:12 AM, V Stuart Foote wrote:
Of course even from these users we (the LibreOffice project) really 
need folks to install the developmental and pre-releases, in parallel 
of course [1], both to see emerging features (or regressions) but more 
importantly to provide feed back to the design, development and QA 
process. That is an aspect of care and feeding a FOSS project that 
users should not abdicate. LibreOffice is a great project, please 
participate.


a big +1. This is an often overlooked aspect of how we should work as a 
community.





At the risk of sounding like a whiner, I recently tried to participate
by reporting a bug in LO's outline numbering system (bug 96733). The
triage volunteer didn't think much of my bug report and first offered
a solution. When I suggested that the proffered solution didn't work,
he responded that I shouldn't confuse my desires with what is correct
(both of which are accomplished with LaTeX). As a result, for certain
outlining work, I'm forced to use LaTeX when I would prefer to use LO,
which unfortunately doesn't work either correctly or as desired. When
attempts to participate are rebuffed, it doesn't encourage further
participation.

Again, I apologize for my whining. I realize not everyone shares my 
priorities.


No need to apologize but perhaps to discern what may have happened 
there. As an avid Emacs Org-Mode user, I think I can sympathize with 
your problem. What I read from this issue is that some of the people who 
reacted to it did not feel your case was strong and could not even be 
called a bug. My opinion (again, someone who does not use LibreOffice as 
an outliner):
1. Your suggestion may make mathematical sense but it will confuse 99% 
of users out there. People are used to numbering conventions in 
documents that may not be the same one as academic papers or numbering 
logic. It's a broad perception, not a statement on your mathematics. If 
we were to "fix" the numbering, we would get 10 bug reports tomorrow 
yelling that we're idiots and should revert back to what everybody else 
uses.
2. Are you sure you're not missing out on text editors' outlining 
capabilities compared to LibreOffice (or any other office suite)? 
LibreOffice is good for taking notes of course, but perhaps not to 
outline different levels of notes imho.


Best,

Charles.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!

[Philip Rhoades]

Charles,


On 2016-01-28 01:13, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:

Gentlemen,

Please take your philosophical discussion elsewhere. It is wildly off
topic here, as this is a mailing list dedicated to supporting users of
LibreOffice.



That is what I have been saying all along!  The discussion should never 
have needed to occur except that the OP was proselytising with her post 
and email "signature" - which was inappropriate for this list and 
offensive to me and others.


Regards,

Phil.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!

[Pertti Rönnberg]

Please, mr Philip Rhoades,

Obviously you are not capable to realise what you are up to.

All australians I have had the pleasure to meet, have been sympatic, 
intelligent,


polite, well educated and in every way kind persons.

From your writings the only conclusion is that you represent the 
outmostopposite end of


these qualities. No wonder there are wars in the world.

Stop behaving like a lowminded complete idiot.

At least you could from your signature delete your address – that you 
are from Australia!


Best regards

Pertti Rönnberg, 76 yrs/ Finland




On 28.1.2016 15:33, Philip Rhoades wrote:

Gary,


On 2016-01-28 22:44, Gary Collins wrote:

Phil,you wrote:

Just observation - you believe in sky fairies 
- Albert Einstein, Erwin Schrodinger, Paul Dirac, Antony Flew, all
believed in a God; as do Richard Swinburne, Francis Collins, William
Lane Craig, to name just a few.

you also wrote.
Well if you weren't clueless (which is not consistent with you believing
in fairy stories) you would have realised by now that I don't have any
and that I don't approve of others proselytising on this list . .

I hope you would not refer to any of those I've listed above as 
'clueless.'



Being very smart or even a genius does not mean you have any "common" 
(more like "uncommon") sense.  However, WRT your first example, people 
like you always claim Albert Einstein as a "believer" but in fact he 
did not believe in one or other of the common sky fairies that you 
seem to think he did - you probably know that and are just being 
dishonest about your claims . .




Posts like yours could easily be seen as being offensive.



The OP's post was offensive to me and shouldn't have included the 
sermon that it did.


P.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!

[Philip Rhoades]

Tanstaafl,


On 2016-01-28 00:02, Tanstaafl wrote:

On 1/27/2016 7:20 AM, Philip Rhoades  wrote:

You continue to misunderstand (I am not surprised) . . I am NOT
defending my "beliefs" I am saying clearly that a technical list is 
NOT
a place for proselytising on superstitions or politics or anything 
else

that does not have something to do with what the list if for.


What you are doing is attacking,



You call it "attacking", I call it pointing out logical, childish errors 
of thinking.




even insulting people who believe
differently from you by calling their belief system 'superstition',
rather than the normal term, 'religion'.



What is the difference?  Is there any evidence for either?  No?  I guess 
not . . so as far as I can see, MY God, Jibbers Crabst is better than 
your God:


  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ_BtZ-5O60



Atheism is just as much a 'superstition' - per your meaning - as any
other religion.



Clueless . . how can not being convinced - about an argument that has no 
evidence to support it - be construed as a superstition?  You need a 
dictionary too . .




Atheists simply choose to have 'faith' in the belief



Clueless . . see above . .


that everything in the world today is just there by some random 
accident

of nature.



Which, until some evidence is provided to the contrary, is more logical 
and rational than believing in sky fairies . .




So, Philip, how about coming down off your high horse, and LET IT GO.



Get a life . . and some lessons in English, logic and rational thinking 
while you are at it . .


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!

[Philip Rhoades]

Gary,


On 2016-01-28 22:44, Gary Collins wrote:

Phil,you wrote:

Just observation - you believe in sky fairies 
- Albert Einstein, Erwin Schrodinger, Paul Dirac, Antony Flew, all
believed in a God; as do Richard Swinburne, Francis Collins, William
Lane Craig, to name just a few.

you also wrote.
Well if you weren't clueless (which is not consistent with you 
believing

in fairy stories) you would have realised by now that I don't have any
and that I don't approve of others proselytising on this list . .

I hope you would not refer to any of those I've listed above as 
'clueless.'



Being very smart or even a genius does not mean you have any "common" 
(more like "uncommon") sense.  However, WRT your first example, people 
like you always claim Albert Einstein as a "believer" but in fact he did 
not believe in one or other of the common sky fairies that you seem to 
think he did - you probably know that and are just being dishonest about 
your claims . .




Posts like yours could easily be seen as being offensive.



The OP's post was offensive to me and shouldn't have included the sermon 
that it did.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!

[Philip Rhoades]

Virgil,


On 2016-01-28 00:52, Virgil Arrington wrote:

Phil,

Setting aside religion, superstition, and science, (and LO) may I
humbly suggest that you might benefit from a lesson in common courtesy
and respect, which all men and women are due, regardless of their
beliefs or whether they choose to express them in a way that others
find inappropriate.



Irrelevant - the OP was proselytising and offensive by posting a sermon 
which she shouldn't have - that needed to be pointed out.




Sadly, your insistence on belaboring this by insulting everyone who
suggests a more tolerant approach, lacks such common courtesy.



No discourtesy, just making the point that needed to be made and then 
responding to other ignorant and delusional people who feel compelled to 
"defend" someone else's sky fairy proselytisation because a logical 
attack on one sky fairy is an attack on all sky fairies . .




Speaking more pragmatically, I find it ironically interesting that, in
defending your position, you draw even more attention to the very
proselytizing to which you object, by quoting, in full, Nasrim's
original message (which I had long forgot).



"Forgot" (BTW, it should be "forgotten") or preferred to ignore? - it 
was clearly a sermon and could NOT, in any reasonable sense, be called a 
signature . . you are desperately trying to avoid dealing with that fact 
. .




Were I you, I might label
such a tactic, "clueless."



However, I know you don't know how to use English very well so I 
understand your inability to put forward rational arguments . .




But, I'm not, so I won't for even you
deserve our courtesy and respect.



That sentence doesn't make sense . . but I can translate what you are 
trying to say and my response is: I'm shattered if I don't have your 
courtesy or respect . .


P.



Virgil

On 01/27/2016 07:37 AM, Philip Rhoades wrote:

Felmon,


On 2016-01-27 03:34, Felmon Davis wrote:

On Wed, 27 Jan 2016, Philip Rhoades wrote:

Sure - but I will still respond as I originally did if I come across 
more proselytising (by anyone) . . it is inappropriate and offensive 
and should not be condoned or encouraged.


by one standard definition of 'proselytize'/'proselytise' your last



"ise" is English English not Yankee English . . clueless . .



several posts are guilty of it.



Then you don't understand what the word means.



I thought 'signatures' were generally off-topic. though I'd keep my
mouth shut, I admit though I'd be wrought up if someone advocated
Microsoft Word! but a 'blessing' from 'sky fairies'? some must have a
terrible time in flu season with all the 'God bless you!' in the air!
anyway, I agree: stop the proselytizing!



You need to learn how to use a dictionary.



(well, except in 'signatures' where it doesn't count).



This was the beginning of the original post:

"in the name of god the most compassionate the most merciful."

This was the end of the original post:

"i have a gift for you for all of you one of the english translations
of the holy quran.
the message of god for all mankind, in the all universe in all times,
the message for salvation of mankind in this world and the hereafter,
the message of monotheism, mercy, compassionate, fraternity, kindness,
justice, friendship, goodness and happiness for all mankind.
the holy quran encourages his followers to appreciate kindness of 
others.

reply them better or returnthere goodness and do good with the same.
And when you are greeted with a greeting, greet with a better
[greeting] than it or return it; surely Allah takes account of all
things.
for this reason its my duty to be grateful to you, your kindness, for
your great software and efferts for helping other people, and i offer
my gift to you.
for any question about the english translation of the holy quran, for
any question about the islam and your idea andyour  experiment, be in
contact with me.
and for reading more books and morerecognition about islam, please
visit website.
this website has many useful books in different aspects of islam."

As someone else pointed out - this was NOT a signature - it was a 
SERMON and completely inappropriate and offensive to me and others 
(and NOT because of the particular superstition being proselytised).


P.

All Hail the Great and Glorious Jibbers Crabst!

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ_BtZ-5O60



f.


On 26 January 2016 at 04:37, Philip Rhoades  
wrote:



Virgil,


On 2016-01-26 07:24, Virgil Arrington wrote:


On 01/25/2016 01:40 PM, jomali wrote:


Please note that the original message by Nasrin was on a topic 
germane to
this list. One member with an excessively tender sore spot 
objected to
something in Nasrin's signature that expressed his sincerely 
held faith.

There was no intent on Nasrin's part to proselytize or to demean
another's
faith, as Phil's diatribe does.



I tend to agree about signature lines. They can contain all kinds 
of

things having nothing to do with LO. Sometimes they're 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!

[Cley Faye]

2016-01-28 14:24 GMT+01:00 Philip Rhoades :

>
> You call it "attacking", I call it pointing out logical, childish errors
> of thinking.


​This will be my first and LAST message on this thread, for obvious reason.

The fact that one did something, someone else replied, or attacked, or
whatever, can happen. Once it has been pointed out that it is really,
clearly, without ambiguity, completely, totally and utterly (enough
superlatives yet?) offtopic for the list, it should stop.
If someone feels the need to have the final word in this discussion, do a
favor to *everyone else*, remove the users@global.libreoffice.org address
from your mails on this subject and deal with it like grownups. The fact
that multiple people keep sending mass replies so out of the scope of the
list is way more aggravating than whatever the topic is.

EoT for me.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!

[Andreas Säger]

Am 27.01.2016 um 21:23 schrieb Sergio Gutierrez:
> Hi, to all who had been participating, for some time now, in this
> nonsensical religious comments. When I accepted to receive e-mails from
> this user group, I thought that it could be useful whilst using Libre
> Office. I never expected to become involved in religious arguments, or
> being forced to read any religious preaching. In most forums everybody is
> compelled to keep postings within the subject for which they were set up,
> and anybody that strays from that is usually removed. Since this forum has
> lost its direction (with the approval of some member that confuse tolerance
> with the lack of respect for other people), it's time for me to leave.
> Since this e-mail does not have the usual "unsubscribe" link, I will put it
> into the "junk mail" section, where it belongs.
> Have a nice day.
> 

+1



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!

[Tanstaafl]

On 1/28/2016 8:24 AM, Philip Rhoades  wrote:
> Tanstaafl,

Please don't email me personally, I am a list member, and certainly
don't need to see TWO of your ridiculous rants.

> On 2016-01-28 00:02, Tanstaafl wrote:
>> On 1/27/2016 7:20 AM, Philip Rhoades  wrote:
>>> You continue to misunderstand (I am not surprised) . . I am NOT 
>>> defending my "beliefs" I am saying clearly that a technical list
>>> is NOT a place for proselytising on superstitions or politics or
>>> anything else that does not have something to do with what the
>>> list if for.

>> What you are doing is attacking,

> You call it "attacking", I call it pointing out logical, childish errors 
> of thinking.

You call it 'pointing out logical, childish errors', which is just
megalomaniacal, condescending and insulting gobbledy-speak for 'I am
your superior, bow down and worship me, little children, as I am
all-knowing'.

>> even insulting people who believe differently from you by calling
>> their belief system 'superstition', rather than the normal term,
>> 'religion'.

> What is the difference?

One is extremely disrespectful and condescending, the other is not.

>> Atheism is just as much a 'superstition' - per your meaning - as any
>> other religion.

> Clueless

Please stop calling yourself names... it is embarrassing to watch.

> . . how can not being convinced- about an argument that has no 
> evidence to support it

That is not the definition of an atheist, nor is it what you are claiming.

> - be construed as a superstition?  You need a dictionary too . .

Again, talking to yourself... tisk, tisk...

You - and atheists - claim that 'there is no god'. That is much
different than saying 'I do not see enough evidence to support the
claim, therefore I choose not to 'believe'.' That is an agnostic.

So... who needs a dictionary?

*If* your argument was on point, you would be correct, but since all you
rebutted was a strawman, it is not that I need a dictionary, what is
needed is for you to gain a few ounces of humility and respect for others.

>> Atheists simply choose to have 'faith' in the belief

> Clueless . . see above . .

Strawman, see above...

>> that everything in the world today is just there by some random 
>> accident of nature.

> Which, until some evidence is provided to the contrary, is more logical 
> and rational than believing in sky fairies . .

More condescending and insulting strawman-speak - I haven't seen anyone
other than you say anything about sky fairies...

That said, there are many non-religious scientists who are profoundly
interested in just how amazing and - 'miraculous' - life is. Maybe it is
all just one big happy accident... and maybe it isn't. But I'll ask you...

Who the F are you to tell someone else which one it is?

> Get a life . . and some lessons in English, logic and rational thinking 
> while you are at it . .

Again, it is really embarrassing watching you talk to yourself like
this. Maybe you should see someone...

Ok, I'm done, you are now PLONKED, so respond away if you feel you must
get the past word, I won't see it, so I'm sure it'll give a big fuzzy
wet-n-warm one...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!

[Gary Collins]

Phil,you wrote:


Just observation - you believe in sky fairies 
- Albert Einstein, Erwin Schrodinger, Paul Dirac, Antony Flew, all believed in 
a God; as do Richard Swinburne, Francis Collins, William Lane Craig, to name 
just a few.

you also wrote.
Well if you weren't clueless (which is not consistent with you believing 
in fairy stories) you would have realised by now that I don't have any 
and that I don't approve of others proselytising on this list . .

I hope you would not refer to any of those I've listed above as 'clueless.'
Posts like yours could easily be seen as being offensive. 
/Gary








  
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!

[Sergio Gutierrez]

Hi, to all who had been participating, for some time now, in this
nonsensical religious comments. When I accepted to receive e-mails from
this user group, I thought that it could be useful whilst using Libre
Office. I never expected to become involved in religious arguments, or
being forced to read any religious preaching. In most forums everybody is
compelled to keep postings within the subject for which they were set up,
and anybody that strays from that is usually removed. Since this forum has
lost its direction (with the approval of some member that confuse tolerance
with the lack of respect for other people), it's time for me to leave.
Since this e-mail does not have the usual "unsubscribe" link, I will put it
into the "junk mail" section, where it belongs.
Have a nice day.

On 27 January 2016 at 19:07, Felmon Davis  wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Jan 2016, Philip Rhoades wrote:
>
> Felmon,
>>
>>
>> On 2016-01-27 03:34, Felmon Davis wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 27 Jan 2016, Philip Rhoades wrote:
>>>
>>> Sure - but I will still respond as I originally did if I come across
 more proselytising (by anyone) . . it is inappropriate and offensive and
 should not be condoned or encouraged.

>>>
>>> by one standard definition of 'proselytize'/'proselytise' your last
>>>
>>
>>
>> "ise" is English English not Yankee English . . clueless . .
>>
>
> ah, guess you missed the clue I was being inclusive.
>
> several posts are guilty of it.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Then you don't understand what the word means.
>>
>
> I take my clue from the OED:
>
> 1. intr. To make, or seek to make, proselytes or converts; In extended
> use: to act as an advocate or proponent of something.
>
> 2. trans. To convert or attempt to convert from one opinion, religion, or
> party, etc., to another
>
> [...]
>>
>> As someone else pointed out - this was NOT a signature - it was a SERMON
>> and completely inappropriate and offensive to me and others (and NOT
>> because of the particular superstition being proselytised).
>>
>
> granted, it wasn't a signature and also the content is inappropriate.
>
> so glad this has been settled.
>
> f.
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!

[Felmon Davis]

On Wed, 27 Jan 2016, Philip Rhoades wrote:


Felmon,


On 2016-01-27 03:34, Felmon Davis wrote:

On Wed, 27 Jan 2016, Philip Rhoades wrote:

Sure - but I will still respond as I originally did if I come across more 
proselytising (by anyone) . . it is inappropriate and offensive and should 
not be condoned or encouraged.


by one standard definition of 'proselytize'/'proselytise' your last



"ise" is English English not Yankee English . . clueless . .


ah, guess you missed the clue I was being inclusive.


several posts are guilty of it.



Then you don't understand what the word means.


I take my clue from the OED:

1. intr. To make, or seek to make, proselytes or converts; In extended 
use: to act as an advocate or proponent of something.


2. trans. To convert or attempt to convert from one opinion, 
religion, or party, etc., to another



[...]

As someone else pointed out - this was NOT a signature - it was a SERMON and 
completely inappropriate and offensive to me and others (and NOT because of 
the particular superstition being proselytised).


granted, it wasn't a signature and also the content is inappropriate.

so glad this has been settled.

f.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!

[Philip Rhoades]

Tom,


On 2016-01-27 03:22, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I feel really bad now, that you seem to be forced into defending
yourself.



Don't worry too hard . . I don't need defending . .



And Virgil needing to defend himself doubtless with others
on all sides feeling more and more pushed into defending their views
or beliefs.



You continue to misunderstand (I am not surprised) . . I am NOT 
defending my "beliefs" I am saying clearly that a technical list is NOT 
a place for proselytising on superstitions or politics or anything else 
that does not have something to do with what the list if for.




A belief-system that defines all other's beliefs as being
"superstitions" sounds alarmingly intolerant to me.



Then you don't understand Science (why am I still not surprised?) - 
Science is based on creating hypotheses that are capable of being 
falsified - superstitions are beyond the purvue of Science.  Things that 
are claimed but can't be proved false are superstitions - nothing to do 
with tolerance.  However, it is true, I have no tolerance for people who 
claim they know the truth, with absolutely no evidence whatsoever and 
thousands of years of evidence to the contrary, and proselytise their 
nonsense on lists where this should not occur.  AGAIN - it is 
unacceptable and offensive to rational people.




Anyone who thinks
that everyone who disagrees with their own belief is "clueless" seems
to me to be scarily arrogant, to me.



Don't put words into my mouth - I did not say that - I said you were 
clueless because of your statements - I stand by what I said and you 
have only added to this conviction since.  See above re Science.




But that is just my own personal
belief and i'd probably defend individuals who felt the need to
postulate alternatives, in a discussion (but preferably not on this
mailing list because, as we all seem to agree, this is probably not
the place for it).



About time!  Why didn't you say that in the first place?



As someone, who i believe was amazing, once said "An eye for an eye
and the whole world goes blind".



Yeh, yeh, a nice homily but no replacement for intelligent thought and 
rational deliberation.


P.



Regards from
Tom :)



On 26 January 2016 at 14:57, Philip Rhoades  wrote:

Virgil,


On 2016-01-27 01:19, Virgil Arrington wrote:


Chill, Phil.

I can't believe the level of antagonism coming through your keyboard.
I'm "clueless" for not knowing Nasrin's gender? Harsh, man. While I
have many contacts with Muslims from around the world, I had never
heard the name Nasrin before and recalled nothing in her emails that
betrayed her gender.

If choosing to love people, regardless of my knowledge of their
gender, is an agenda, then I suppose I have an agenda. I'm genuinely
surprised that my decision to love a Muslim I've never met upsets you
so much that you feel it necessary to accuse me of having "low 
general

knowledge" and being "clueless." Where does such a miserable world
view come from?




Just observation - you believe in sky fairies and supporting others 
who are
attacked for proselytising their sky fairies because an attack on one 
sky

fairy is an attack on all sky fairies . .



I won't use the LO list to advance my views of Christianity.




Good - and others should not use it to advance their superstitions 
either.




I use
other lists for that, where it is admittedly more appropriate. But, I
reserve the right to come to the defense of another who has been
unfairly attacked for what she happened to put in her signature line.
(I'll blindly accept your assertion that Nasrin is female.)  I felt
your attack unwarranted and unworthy of a gentlemen, regardless of
your religious views.




Well if you weren't clueless (which is not consistent with you 
believing in
fairy stories) you would have realised by now that I don't have any 
and that

I don't approve of others proselytising on this list . .

P.



Sorry, Tom, I had to respond to Phil, and I felt I had to do it on 
list.


I'll let it go, now.

Virgil


On 01/25/2016 11:37 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote:


Virgil,


On 2016-01-26 07:24, Virgil Arrington wrote:


On 01/25/2016 01:40 PM, jomali wrote:


Please note that the original message by Nasrin was on a topic 
germane

to
this list. One member with an excessively tender sore spot 
objected to

something in Nasrin's signature that expressed his sincerely held
faith.
There was no intent on Nasrin's part to proselytize or to demean
another's
faith, as Phil's diatribe does.



I tend to agree about signature lines. They can contain all kinds 
of

things having nothing to do with LO. Sometimes they're funny;




That would be fine . .



other
times they are informative about the writer. Phil's signature line
includes his address in Australia, which is informative, but has
nothing to do with LO. Nasrin's signature line includes a a few 
lines

about his Muslim faith,




Another person with low general knowledge . . again I am not 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!

[Charles-H. Schulz]

Gentlemen,

Please take your philosophical discussion elsewhere. It is wildly off 
topic here, as this is a mailing list dedicated to supporting users of 
LibreOffice.


Thank you,

Charles.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!

[Virgil Arrington]

Phil,

Setting aside religion, superstition, and science, (and LO) may I humbly 
suggest that you might benefit from a lesson in common courtesy and 
respect, which all men and women are due, regardless of their beliefs or 
whether they choose to express them in a way that others find 
inappropriate.


Sadly, your insistence on belaboring this by insulting everyone who 
suggests a more tolerant approach, lacks such common courtesy.


Speaking more pragmatically, I find it ironically interesting that, in 
defending your position, you draw even more attention to the very 
proselytizing to which you object, by quoting, in full, Nasrim's 
original message (which I had long forgot). Were I you, I might label 
such a tactic, "clueless." But, I'm not, so I won't for even you deserve 
our courtesy and respect.


Virgil

On 01/27/2016 07:37 AM, Philip Rhoades wrote:

Felmon,


On 2016-01-27 03:34, Felmon Davis wrote:

On Wed, 27 Jan 2016, Philip Rhoades wrote:

Sure - but I will still respond as I originally did if I come across 
more proselytising (by anyone) . . it is inappropriate and offensive 
and should not be condoned or encouraged.


by one standard definition of 'proselytize'/'proselytise' your last



"ise" is English English not Yankee English . . clueless . .



several posts are guilty of it.



Then you don't understand what the word means.



I thought 'signatures' were generally off-topic. though I'd keep my
mouth shut, I admit though I'd be wrought up if someone advocated
Microsoft Word! but a 'blessing' from 'sky fairies'? some must have a
terrible time in flu season with all the 'God bless you!' in the air!
anyway, I agree: stop the proselytizing!



You need to learn how to use a dictionary.



(well, except in 'signatures' where it doesn't count).



This was the beginning of the original post:

"in the name of god the most compassionate the most merciful."

This was the end of the original post:

"i have a gift for you for all of you one of the english translations
of the holy quran.
the message of god for all mankind, in the all universe in all times,
the message for salvation of mankind in this world and the hereafter,
the message of monotheism, mercy, compassionate, fraternity, kindness,
justice, friendship, goodness and happiness for all mankind.
the holy quran encourages his followers to appreciate kindness of others.
reply them better or returnthere goodness and do good with the same.
And when you are greeted with a greeting, greet with a better
[greeting] than it or return it; surely Allah takes account of all
things.
for this reason its my duty to be grateful to you, your kindness, for
your great software and efferts for helping other people, and i offer
my gift to you.
for any question about the english translation of the holy quran, for
any question about the islam and your idea andyour  experiment, be in
contact with me.
and for reading more books and morerecognition about islam, please
visit website.
this website has many useful books in different aspects of islam."

As someone else pointed out - this was NOT a signature - it was a 
SERMON and completely inappropriate and offensive to me and others 
(and NOT because of the particular superstition being proselytised).


P.

All Hail the Great and Glorious Jibbers Crabst!

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ_BtZ-5O60



f.


On 26 January 2016 at 04:37, Philip Rhoades  
wrote:



Virgil,


On 2016-01-26 07:24, Virgil Arrington wrote:


On 01/25/2016 01:40 PM, jomali wrote:


Please note that the original message by Nasrin was on a topic 
germane to
this list. One member with an excessively tender sore spot 
objected to
something in Nasrin's signature that expressed his sincerely 
held faith.

There was no intent on Nasrin's part to proselytize or to demean
another's
faith, as Phil's diatribe does.



I tend to agree about signature lines. They can contain all kinds of
things having nothing to do with LO. Sometimes they're funny;




That would be fine . .



other
times they are informative about the writer. Phil's signature line
includes his address in Australia, which is informative, but has
nothing to do with LO. Nasrin's signature line includes a a few 
lines

about his Muslim faith,




Another person with low general knowledge . . again I am not 
surprised . .




also informative but also having nothing to do
with LO.

I pretty much ignore signature lines, and I can't possibly imagine
being offended by one, regardless of what it might say.

a Christian who loves Muslims




And there we have it - another person who has an agenda - they can't
criticise someone else for proselytising their superstitious nonsense
because they have their own superstitious nonsense . . a person 
who "loves"
someone else but does not even know that the person they "love" is 
a "she"

and not a "he" . . clueless . .

P.

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[Philip Rhoades]

Felmon,


On 2016-01-27 03:34, Felmon Davis wrote:

On Wed, 27 Jan 2016, Philip Rhoades wrote:

Sure - but I will still respond as I originally did if I come across 
more proselytising (by anyone) . . it is inappropriate and offensive 
and should not be condoned or encouraged.


by one standard definition of 'proselytize'/'proselytise' your last



"ise" is English English not Yankee English . . clueless . .



several posts are guilty of it.



Then you don't understand what the word means.



I thought 'signatures' were generally off-topic. though I'd keep my
mouth shut, I admit though I'd be wrought up if someone advocated
Microsoft Word! but a 'blessing' from 'sky fairies'? some must have a
terrible time in flu season with all the 'God bless you!' in the air!
anyway, I agree: stop the proselytizing!



You need to learn how to use a dictionary.



(well, except in 'signatures' where it doesn't count).



This was the beginning of the original post:

"in the name of god the most compassionate the most merciful."

This was the end of the original post:

"i have a gift for you for all of you one of the english translations
of the holy quran.
the message of god for all mankind, in the all universe in all times,
the message for salvation of mankind in this world and the hereafter,
the message of monotheism, mercy, compassionate, fraternity, kindness,
justice, friendship, goodness and happiness for all mankind.
the holy quran encourages his followers to appreciate kindness of 
others.

reply them better or returnthere goodness and do good with the same.
And when you are greeted with a greeting, greet with a better
[greeting] than it or return it; surely Allah takes account of all
things.
for this reason its my duty to be grateful to you, your kindness, for
your great software and efferts for helping other people, and i offer
my gift to you.
for any question about the english translation of the holy quran, for
any question about the islam and your idea andyour  experiment, be in
contact with me.
and for reading more books and morerecognition about islam, please
visit website.
this website has many useful books in different aspects of islam."

As someone else pointed out - this was NOT a signature - it was a SERMON 
and completely inappropriate and offensive to me and others (and NOT 
because of the particular superstition being proselytised).


P.

All Hail the Great and Glorious Jibbers Crabst!

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ_BtZ-5O60



f.


On 26 January 2016 at 04:37, Philip Rhoades  
wrote:



Virgil,


On 2016-01-26 07:24, Virgil Arrington wrote:


On 01/25/2016 01:40 PM, jomali wrote:


Please note that the original message by Nasrin was on a topic 
germane to
this list. One member with an excessively tender sore spot 
objected to
something in Nasrin's signature that expressed his sincerely held 
faith.

There was no intent on Nasrin's part to proselytize or to demean
another's
faith, as Phil's diatribe does.



I tend to agree about signature lines. They can contain all kinds 
of

things having nothing to do with LO. Sometimes they're funny;




That would be fine . .



other
times they are informative about the writer. Phil's signature line
includes his address in Australia, which is informative, but has
nothing to do with LO. Nasrin's signature line includes a a few 
lines

about his Muslim faith,




Another person with low general knowledge . . again I am not 
surprised . .




also informative but also having nothing to do
with LO.

I pretty much ignore signature lines, and I can't possibly imagine
being offended by one, regardless of what it might say.

a Christian who loves Muslims




And there we have it - another person who has an agenda - they can't
criticise someone else for proselytising their superstitious 
nonsense
because they have their own superstitious nonsense . . a person who 
"loves"
someone else but does not even know that the person they "love" is a 
"she"

and not a "he" . . clueless . .

P.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!

[Tanstaafl]

On 1/27/2016 7:20 AM, Philip Rhoades  wrote:
> You continue to misunderstand (I am not surprised) . . I am NOT 
> defending my "beliefs" I am saying clearly that a technical list is NOT 
> a place for proselytising on superstitions or politics or anything else 
> that does not have something to do with what the list if for.

What you are doing is attacking, even insulting people who believe
differently from you by calling their belief system 'superstition',
rather than the normal term, 'religion'.

Atheism is just as much a 'superstition' - per your meaning - as any
other religion. Atheists simply choose to have 'faith' in the belief
that everything in the world today is just there by some random accident
of nature.

So, Philip, how about coming down off your high horse, and LET IT GO.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Phil, i know you think you probably think you are just an atheist and
acting reasonably but this topic didn't arise in all the years that we
have seen Christian messages in various people's signatures.  The
discussion only arose after the only Islamic quote in all these years.

This has happened at a time when it's popular to attack Muslims for
their faith, and for the stereotypes pushed out by mainstream media to
demonise and vilify Muslims.

Ridiculing religions in general might seem reasonable but choosing to
do so right now, only after the first Islamic quote in a signature and
not in any of the previous several years of Christian quotes (and
hundreds of them) is Islamaphobic.

It has been good to see people on this mailing-list increasingly make
a stand against the increasing level of Islamaphobia in this thread -
even people who don't understand or don't agree with Islam.  In my
opinion standing with someone who seems to be being given a hard-time
by 'the mainstream' is FAR more impressive than just taking cheap
opportunistic pot-shots that are

LibreOffice and the OpenDocument Format are making a stand against the
mainstream and although the tide may be beginning to turn for us i am
sure we can all remember moments where mainstream-people have done or
said things, without even realising it, that are extremely pro-MSO and
their ever-changing, unreliable formats.


Please can we drop this topic and get on with the questions at hand?
Regards from
Tom :)



On 26 January 2016 at 04:37, Philip Rhoades  wrote:
> Virgil,
>
>
> On 2016-01-26 07:24, Virgil Arrington wrote:
>>
>> On 01/25/2016 01:40 PM, jomali wrote:
>>>
>>> Please note that the original message by Nasrin was on a topic germane to
>>> this list. One member with an excessively tender sore spot objected to
>>> something in Nasrin's signature that expressed his sincerely held faith.
>>> There was no intent on Nasrin's part to proselytize or to demean
>>> another's
>>> faith, as Phil's diatribe does.
>>
>>
>> I tend to agree about signature lines. They can contain all kinds of
>> things having nothing to do with LO. Sometimes they're funny;
>
>
>
> That would be fine . .
>
>
>> other
>> times they are informative about the writer. Phil's signature line
>> includes his address in Australia, which is informative, but has
>> nothing to do with LO. Nasrin's signature line includes a a few lines
>> about his Muslim faith,
>
>
>
> Another person with low general knowledge . . again I am not surprised . .
>
>
>> also informative but also having nothing to do
>> with LO.
>>
>> I pretty much ignore signature lines, and I can't possibly imagine
>> being offended by one, regardless of what it might say.
>>
>> a Christian who loves Muslims
>
>
>
> And there we have it - another person who has an agenda - they can't
> criticise someone else for proselytising their superstitious nonsense
> because they have their own superstitious nonsense . . a person who "loves"
> someone else but does not even know that the person they "love" is a "she"
> and not a "he" . . clueless . .
>
> P.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!

[Virgil Arrington]

Chill, Phil.

I can't believe the level of antagonism coming through your keyboard. 
I'm "clueless" for not knowing Nasrin's gender? Harsh, man. While I have 
many contacts with Muslims from around the world, I had never heard the 
name Nasrin before and recalled nothing in her emails that betrayed her 
gender.


If choosing to love people, regardless of my knowledge of their gender, 
is an agenda, then I suppose I have an agenda. I'm genuinely surprised 
that my decision to love a Muslim I've never met upsets you so much that 
you feel it necessary to accuse me of having "low general knowledge" and 
being "clueless." Where does such a miserable world view come from?


I won't use the LO list to advance my views of Christianity. I use other 
lists for that, where it is admittedly more appropriate. But, I reserve 
the right to come to the defense of another who has been unfairly 
attacked for what she happened to put in her signature line. (I'll 
blindly accept your assertion that Nasrin is female.)  I felt your 
attack unwarranted and unworthy of a gentlemen, regardless of your 
religious views.


Sorry, Tom, I had to respond to Phil, and I felt I had to do it on list.

I'll let it go, now.

Virgil


On 01/25/2016 11:37 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote:

Virgil,


On 2016-01-26 07:24, Virgil Arrington wrote:

On 01/25/2016 01:40 PM, jomali wrote:
Please note that the original message by Nasrin was on a topic 
germane to

this list. One member with an excessively tender sore spot objected to
something in Nasrin's signature that expressed his sincerely held 
faith.
There was no intent on Nasrin's part to proselytize or to demean 
another's

faith, as Phil's diatribe does.


I tend to agree about signature lines. They can contain all kinds of
things having nothing to do with LO. Sometimes they're funny;



That would be fine . .



other
times they are informative about the writer. Phil's signature line
includes his address in Australia, which is informative, but has
nothing to do with LO. Nasrin's signature line includes a a few lines
about his Muslim faith,



Another person with low general knowledge . . again I am not surprised 
. .




also informative but also having nothing to do
with LO.

I pretty much ignore signature lines, and I can't possibly imagine
being offended by one, regardless of what it might say.

a Christian who loves Muslims



And there we have it - another person who has an agenda - they can't 
criticise someone else for proselytising their superstitious nonsense 
because they have their own superstitious nonsense . . a person who 
"loves" someone else but does not even know that the person they 
"love" is a "she" and not a "he" . . clueless . .


P.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!

[Paul Steyn]

Well said, Tom.

On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 12:29:54 +
Tom Davies  wrote:

> Hi :)
> Phil, i know you think you probably think you are just an atheist and
> acting reasonably but this topic didn't arise in all the years that we
> have seen Christian messages in various people's signatures.  The
> discussion only arose after the only Islamic quote in all these years.
> 
> This has happened at a time when it's popular to attack Muslims for
> their faith, and for the stereotypes pushed out by mainstream media to
> demonise and vilify Muslims.
> 
> Ridiculing religions in general might seem reasonable but choosing to
> do so right now, only after the first Islamic quote in a signature and
> not in any of the previous several years of Christian quotes (and
> hundreds of them) is Islamaphobic.
> 
> It has been good to see people on this mailing-list increasingly make
> a stand against the increasing level of Islamaphobia in this thread -
> even people who don't understand or don't agree with Islam.  In my
> opinion standing with someone who seems to be being given a hard-time
> by 'the mainstream' is FAR more impressive than just taking cheap
> opportunistic pot-shots that are
> 
> LibreOffice and the OpenDocument Format are making a stand against the
> mainstream and although the tide may be beginning to turn for us i am
> sure we can all remember moments where mainstream-people have done or
> said things, without even realising it, that are extremely pro-MSO and
> their ever-changing, unreliable formats.
> 
> 
> Please can we drop this topic and get on with the questions at hand?
> Regards from
> Tom :)
> 
> 
> 
> On 26 January 2016 at 04:37, Philip Rhoades 
> wrote:
> > Virgil,
> >
> >
> > On 2016-01-26 07:24, Virgil Arrington wrote:  
> >>
> >> On 01/25/2016 01:40 PM, jomali wrote:  
> >>>
> >>> Please note that the original message by Nasrin was on a topic
> >>> germane to this list. One member with an excessively tender sore
> >>> spot objected to something in Nasrin's signature that expressed
> >>> his sincerely held faith. There was no intent on Nasrin's part to
> >>> proselytize or to demean another's
> >>> faith, as Phil's diatribe does.  
> >>
> >>
> >> I tend to agree about signature lines. They can contain all kinds
> >> of things having nothing to do with LO. Sometimes they're funny;  
> >
> >
> >
> > That would be fine . .
> >
> >  
> >> other
> >> times they are informative about the writer. Phil's signature line
> >> includes his address in Australia, which is informative, but has
> >> nothing to do with LO. Nasrin's signature line includes a a few
> >> lines about his Muslim faith,  
> >
> >
> >
> > Another person with low general knowledge . . again I am not
> > surprised . .
> >
> >  
> >> also informative but also having nothing to do
> >> with LO.
> >>
> >> I pretty much ignore signature lines, and I can't possibly imagine
> >> being offended by one, regardless of what it might say.
> >>
> >> a Christian who loves Muslims  
> >
> >
> >
> > And there we have it - another person who has an agenda - they can't
> > criticise someone else for proselytising their superstitious
> > nonsense because they have their own superstitious nonsense . . a
> > person who "loves" someone else but does not even know that the
> > person they "love" is a "she" and not a "he" . . clueless . .
> >
> > P.
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!

[Philip Rhoades]

Virgil,


On 2016-01-27 01:19, Virgil Arrington wrote:

Chill, Phil.

I can't believe the level of antagonism coming through your keyboard.
I'm "clueless" for not knowing Nasrin's gender? Harsh, man. While I
have many contacts with Muslims from around the world, I had never
heard the name Nasrin before and recalled nothing in her emails that
betrayed her gender.

If choosing to love people, regardless of my knowledge of their
gender, is an agenda, then I suppose I have an agenda. I'm genuinely
surprised that my decision to love a Muslim I've never met upsets you
so much that you feel it necessary to accuse me of having "low general
knowledge" and being "clueless." Where does such a miserable world
view come from?



Just observation - you believe in sky fairies and supporting others who 
are attacked for proselytising their sky fairies because an attack on 
one sky fairy is an attack on all sky fairies . .




I won't use the LO list to advance my views of Christianity.



Good - and others should not use it to advance their superstitions 
either.




I use
other lists for that, where it is admittedly more appropriate. But, I
reserve the right to come to the defense of another who has been
unfairly attacked for what she happened to put in her signature line.
(I'll blindly accept your assertion that Nasrin is female.)  I felt
your attack unwarranted and unworthy of a gentlemen, regardless of
your religious views.



Well if you weren't clueless (which is not consistent with you believing 
in fairy stories) you would have realised by now that I don't have any 
and that I don't approve of others proselytising on this list . .


P.


Sorry, Tom, I had to respond to Phil, and I felt I had to do it on 
list.


I'll let it go, now.

Virgil


On 01/25/2016 11:37 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote:

Virgil,


On 2016-01-26 07:24, Virgil Arrington wrote:

On 01/25/2016 01:40 PM, jomali wrote:
Please note that the original message by Nasrin was on a topic 
germane to
this list. One member with an excessively tender sore spot objected 
to
something in Nasrin's signature that expressed his sincerely held 
faith.
There was no intent on Nasrin's part to proselytize or to demean 
another's

faith, as Phil's diatribe does.


I tend to agree about signature lines. They can contain all kinds of
things having nothing to do with LO. Sometimes they're funny;



That would be fine . .



other
times they are informative about the writer. Phil's signature line
includes his address in Australia, which is informative, but has
nothing to do with LO. Nasrin's signature line includes a a few lines
about his Muslim faith,



Another person with low general knowledge . . again I am not surprised 
. .




also informative but also having nothing to do
with LO.

I pretty much ignore signature lines, and I can't possibly imagine
being offended by one, regardless of what it might say.

a Christian who loves Muslims



And there we have it - another person who has an agenda - they can't 
criticise someone else for proselytising their superstitious nonsense 
because they have their own superstitious nonsense . . a person who 
"loves" someone else but does not even know that the person they 
"love" is a "she" and not a "he" . . clueless . .


P.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!

[Philip Rhoades]

Tom,


On 2016-01-26 23:29, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Phil, i know you think you probably think you are just an atheist and
acting reasonably but this topic didn't arise in all the years that we
have seen Christian messages in various people's signatures.  The
discussion only arose after the only Islamic quote in all these years.



It certainly was not the first - but it should be the last.



This has happened at a time when it's popular to attack Muslims for
their faith, and for the stereotypes pushed out by mainstream media to
demonise and vilify Muslims.

Ridiculing religions in general might seem reasonable but choosing to
do so right now, only after the first Islamic quote in a signature and
not in any of the previous several years of Christian quotes (and
hundreds of them) is Islamaphobic.



No, superstitionphobic . .



It has been good to see people on this mailing-list increasingly make
a stand against the increasing level of Islamaphobia in this thread -
even people who don't understand or don't agree with Islam.  In my
opinion standing with someone who seems to be being given a hard-time
by 'the mainstream' is FAR more impressive than just taking cheap
opportunistic pot-shots that are



People should not be proselytising on this list - period.  To hijack my 
intention as "Islamaphobia" is childish . .




LibreOffice and the OpenDocument Format are making a stand against the
mainstream and although the tide may be beginning to turn for us i am
sure we can all remember moments where mainstream-people have done or
said things, without even realising it, that are extremely pro-MSO and
their ever-changing, unreliable formats.



OK, but I don't what that has to do with the legitimacy of people 
proselytising on a technical list.




Please can we drop this topic and get on with the questions at hand?



Sure - but I will still respond as I originally did if I come across 
more proselytising (by anyone) . . it is inappropriate and offensive and 
should not be condoned or encouraged.


P.



Regards from
Tom :)



On 26 January 2016 at 04:37, Philip Rhoades  wrote:

Virgil,


On 2016-01-26 07:24, Virgil Arrington wrote:


On 01/25/2016 01:40 PM, jomali wrote:


Please note that the original message by Nasrin was on a topic 
germane to
this list. One member with an excessively tender sore spot objected 
to
something in Nasrin's signature that expressed his sincerely held 
faith.

There was no intent on Nasrin's part to proselytize or to demean
another's
faith, as Phil's diatribe does.



I tend to agree about signature lines. They can contain all kinds of
things having nothing to do with LO. Sometimes they're funny;




That would be fine . .



other
times they are informative about the writer. Phil's signature line
includes his address in Australia, which is informative, but has
nothing to do with LO. Nasrin's signature line includes a a few lines
about his Muslim faith,




Another person with low general knowledge . . again I am not surprised 
. .




also informative but also having nothing to do
with LO.

I pretty much ignore signature lines, and I can't possibly imagine
being offended by one, regardless of what it might say.

a Christian who loves Muslims




And there we have it - another person who has an agenda - they can't
criticise someone else for proselytising their superstitious nonsense
because they have their own superstitious nonsense . . a person who 
"loves"
someone else but does not even know that the person they "love" is a 
"she"

and not a "he" . . clueless . .

P.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I feel really bad now, that you seem to be forced into defending
yourself.  And Virgil needing to defend himself doubtless with others
on all sides feeling more and more pushed into defending their views
or beliefs.

A belief-system that defines all other's beliefs as being
"superstitions" sounds alarmingly intolerant to me.  Anyone who thinks
that everyone who disagrees with their own belief is "clueless" seems
to me to be scarily arrogant, to me.  But that is just my own personal
belief and i'd probably defend individuals who felt the need to
postulate alternatives, in a discussion (but preferably not on this
mailing list because, as we all seem to agree, this is probably not
the place for it).

As someone, who i believe was amazing, once said "An eye for an eye
and the whole world goes blind".

Regards from
Tom :)



On 26 January 2016 at 14:57, Philip Rhoades  wrote:
> Virgil,
>
>
> On 2016-01-27 01:19, Virgil Arrington wrote:
>>
>> Chill, Phil.
>>
>> I can't believe the level of antagonism coming through your keyboard.
>> I'm "clueless" for not knowing Nasrin's gender? Harsh, man. While I
>> have many contacts with Muslims from around the world, I had never
>> heard the name Nasrin before and recalled nothing in her emails that
>> betrayed her gender.
>>
>> If choosing to love people, regardless of my knowledge of their
>> gender, is an agenda, then I suppose I have an agenda. I'm genuinely
>> surprised that my decision to love a Muslim I've never met upsets you
>> so much that you feel it necessary to accuse me of having "low general
>> knowledge" and being "clueless." Where does such a miserable world
>> view come from?
>
>
>
> Just observation - you believe in sky fairies and supporting others who are
> attacked for proselytising their sky fairies because an attack on one sky
> fairy is an attack on all sky fairies . .
>
>
>> I won't use the LO list to advance my views of Christianity.
>
>
>
> Good - and others should not use it to advance their superstitions either.
>
>
>> I use
>> other lists for that, where it is admittedly more appropriate. But, I
>> reserve the right to come to the defense of another who has been
>> unfairly attacked for what she happened to put in her signature line.
>> (I'll blindly accept your assertion that Nasrin is female.)  I felt
>> your attack unwarranted and unworthy of a gentlemen, regardless of
>> your religious views.
>
>
>
> Well if you weren't clueless (which is not consistent with you believing in
> fairy stories) you would have realised by now that I don't have any and that
> I don't approve of others proselytising on this list . .
>
> P.
>
>
>
>> Sorry, Tom, I had to respond to Phil, and I felt I had to do it on list.
>>
>> I'll let it go, now.
>>
>> Virgil
>>
>>
>> On 01/25/2016 11:37 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote:
>>>
>>> Virgil,
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2016-01-26 07:24, Virgil Arrington wrote:

 On 01/25/2016 01:40 PM, jomali wrote:
>
> Please note that the original message by Nasrin was on a topic germane
> to
> this list. One member with an excessively tender sore spot objected to
> something in Nasrin's signature that expressed his sincerely held
> faith.
> There was no intent on Nasrin's part to proselytize or to demean
> another's
> faith, as Phil's diatribe does.


 I tend to agree about signature lines. They can contain all kinds of
 things having nothing to do with LO. Sometimes they're funny;
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That would be fine . .
>>>
>>>
 other
 times they are informative about the writer. Phil's signature line
 includes his address in Australia, which is informative, but has
 nothing to do with LO. Nasrin's signature line includes a a few lines
 about his Muslim faith,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Another person with low general knowledge . . again I am not surprised .
>>> .
>>>
>>>
 also informative but also having nothing to do
 with LO.

 I pretty much ignore signature lines, and I can't possibly imagine
 being offended by one, regardless of what it might say.

 a Christian who loves Muslims
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And there we have it - another person who has an agenda - they can't
>>> criticise someone else for proselytising their superstitious nonsense
>>> because they have their own superstitious nonsense . . a person who "loves"
>>> someone else but does not even know that the person they "love" is a "she"
>>> and not a "he" . . clueless . .
>>>
>>> P.
>>>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!

[Felmon Davis]

On Wed, 27 Jan 2016, Philip Rhoades wrote:

Sure - but I will still respond as I originally did if I come across more 
proselytising (by anyone) . . it is inappropriate and offensive and should 
not be condoned or encouraged.


by one standard definition of 'proselytize'/'proselytise' your last 
several posts are guilty of it.


I thought 'signatures' were generally off-topic. though I'd keep my 
mouth shut, I admit though I'd be wrought up if someone advocated 
Microsoft Word! but a 'blessing' from 'sky fairies'? some must have a 
terrible time in flu season with all the 'God bless you!' in the air!


anyway, I agree: stop the proselytizing!

(well, except in 'signatures' where it doesn't count).

f.



On 26 January 2016 at 04:37, Philip Rhoades  wrote:



Virgil,


On 2016-01-26 07:24, Virgil Arrington wrote:


On 01/25/2016 01:40 PM, jomali wrote:


Please note that the original message by Nasrin was on a topic germane 
to

this list. One member with an excessively tender sore spot objected to
something in Nasrin's signature that expressed his sincerely held faith.
There was no intent on Nasrin's part to proselytize or to demean
another's
faith, as Phil's diatribe does.



I tend to agree about signature lines. They can contain all kinds of
things having nothing to do with LO. Sometimes they're funny;




That would be fine . .



other
times they are informative about the writer. Phil's signature line
includes his address in Australia, which is informative, but has
nothing to do with LO. Nasrin's signature line includes a a few lines
about his Muslim faith,




Another person with low general knowledge . . again I am not surprised . .



also informative but also having nothing to do
with LO.

I pretty much ignore signature lines, and I can't possibly imagine
being offended by one, regardless of what it might say.

a Christian who loves Muslims




And there we have it - another person who has an agenda - they can't
criticise someone else for proselytising their superstitious nonsense
because they have their own superstitious nonsense . . a person who 
"loves"

someone else but does not even know that the person they "love" is a "she"
and not a "he" . . clueless . .

P.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!

[Philip Rhoades]

Virgil,


On 2016-01-27 01:19, Virgil Arrington wrote:

Chill, Phil.

I can't believe the level of antagonism coming through your keyboard.
I'm "clueless" for not knowing Nasrin's gender? Harsh, man. While I
have many contacts with Muslims from around the world, I had never
heard the name Nasrin before and recalled nothing in her emails that
betrayed her gender.

If choosing to love people, regardless of my knowledge of their
gender, is an agenda, then I suppose I have an agenda. I'm genuinely
surprised that my decision to love a Muslim I've never met upsets you
so much that you feel it necessary to accuse me of having "low general
knowledge" and being "clueless." Where does such a miserable world
view come from?



Just observation - you believe in sky fairies and supporting others who 
are attacked for proselytising their sky fairies because an attack on 
one sky fairy is an attack on all sky fairies . .




I won't use the LO list to advance my views of Christianity.



Good - and others should not use it to advance their superstitions 
either.




I use
other lists for that, where it is admittedly more appropriate. But, I
reserve the right to come to the defense of another who has been
unfairly attacked for what she happened to put in her signature line.
(I'll blindly accept your assertion that Nasrin is female.)  I felt
your attack unwarranted and unworthy of a gentlemen, regardless of
your religious views.



Well if you weren't clueless (which is not consistent with you believing 
in fairy stories) you would have realised by now that I don't have any 
and that I don't approve of others proselytising on this list . .


P.


Sorry, Tom, I had to respond to Phil, and I felt I had to do it on 
list.


I'll let it go, now.

Virgil


On 01/25/2016 11:37 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote:

Virgil,


On 2016-01-26 07:24, Virgil Arrington wrote:

On 01/25/2016 01:40 PM, jomali wrote:
Please note that the original message by Nasrin was on a topic 
germane to
this list. One member with an excessively tender sore spot objected 
to
something in Nasrin's signature that expressed his sincerely held 
faith.
There was no intent on Nasrin's part to proselytize or to demean 
another's

faith, as Phil's diatribe does.


I tend to agree about signature lines. They can contain all kinds of
things having nothing to do with LO. Sometimes they're funny;



That would be fine . .



other
times they are informative about the writer. Phil's signature line
includes his address in Australia, which is informative, but has
nothing to do with LO. Nasrin's signature line includes a a few lines
about his Muslim faith,



Another person with low general knowledge . . again I am not surprised 
. .




also informative but also having nothing to do
with LO.

I pretty much ignore signature lines, and I can't possibly imagine
being offended by one, regardless of what it might say.

a Christian who loves Muslims



And there we have it - another person who has an agenda - they can't 
criticise someone else for proselytising their superstitious nonsense 
because they have their own superstitious nonsense . . a person who 
"loves" someone else but does not even know that the person they 
"love" is a "she" and not a "he" . . clueless . .


P.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!

[Bob Holtzman]

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 12:29:54PM +, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> Phil, i know you think you probably think you are just an atheist and
> acting reasonably but this topic didn't arise in all the years that we
> have seen Christian messages in various people's signatures.  The
> discussion only arose after the only Islamic quote in all these years.
> 
> This has happened at a time when it's popular to attack Muslims for
> their faith, and for the stereotypes pushed out by mainstream media to
> demonise and vilify Muslims.

I haven't seen anything in the mainstream media that demonises and
vilifys Muslims. Only in right wing rags. Cite(s) please.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!

[Felmon Davis]

On Tue, 26 Jan 2016, Bob Holtzman wrote:


On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 12:29:54PM +, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Phil, i know you think you probably think you are just an atheist and
acting reasonably but this topic didn't arise in all the years that we
have seen Christian messages in various people's signatures.  The
discussion only arose after the only Islamic quote in all these years.

This has happened at a time when it's popular to attack Muslims for
their faith, and for the stereotypes pushed out by mainstream media to
demonise and vilify Muslims.


I haven't seen anything in the mainstream media that demonises and
vilifys Muslims. Only in right wing rags. Cite(s) please.


perhaps offlist?

interested individuals could ask to be copied.

f.

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On 26 January 2016 at 13:29, Tom Davies  wrote:
> Hi :)
> Phil, i know you think you probably think you are just an atheist and
> acting reasonably but this topic didn't arise in all the years that we
> have seen Christian messages in various people's signatures.  The
> discussion only arose after the only Islamic quote in all these years.
>
> This has happened at a time when it's popular to attack Muslims for
> their faith, and for the stereotypes pushed out by mainstream media to
> demonise and vilify Muslims.
>
> Ridiculing religions in general might seem reasonable but choosing to
> do so right now, only after the first Islamic quote in a signature and
> not in any of the previous several years of Christian quotes (and
> hundreds of them) is Islamaphobic.
>
> It has been good to see people on this mailing-list increasingly make
> a stand against the increasing level of Islamaphobia in this thread -
> even people who don't understand or don't agree with Islam.  In my
> opinion standing with someone who seems to be being given a hard-time
> by 'the mainstream' is FAR more impressive than just taking cheap
> opportunistic pot-shots that are
>
> LibreOffice and the OpenDocument Format are making a stand against the
> mainstream and although the tide may be beginning to turn for us i am
> sure we can all remember moments where mainstream-people have done or
> said things, without even realising it, that are extremely pro-MSO and
> their ever-changing, unreliable formats.
>
>
> Please can we drop this topic and get on with the questions at hand?
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
> On 26 January 2016 at 04:37, Philip Rhoades  wrote:
>> Virgil,
>>
>>
>> On 2016-01-26 07:24, Virgil Arrington wrote:
>>>
>>> On 01/25/2016 01:40 PM, jomali wrote:

 Please note that the original message by Nasrin was on a topic germane to
 this list. One member with an excessively tender sore spot objected to
 something in Nasrin's signature that expressed his sincerely held faith.
 There was no intent on Nasrin's part to proselytize or to demean
 another's
 faith, as Phil's diatribe does.
>>>
>>>
>>> I tend to agree about signature lines. They can contain all kinds of
>>> things having nothing to do with LO. Sometimes they're funny;
>>
>>
>>
>> That would be fine . .
>>
>>
>>> other
>>> times they are informative about the writer. Phil's signature line
>>> includes his address in Australia, which is informative, but has
>>> nothing to do with LO. Nasrin's signature line includes a a few lines
>>> about his Muslim faith,
>>
>>
>>
>> Another person with low general knowledge . . again I am not surprised . .
>>
>>
>>> also informative but also having nothing to do
>>> with LO.
>>>
>>> I pretty much ignore signature lines, and I can't possibly imagine
>>> being offended by one, regardless of what it might say.
>>>
>>> a Christian who loves Muslims
>>
>>
>>
>> And there we have it - another person who has an agenda - they can't
>> criticise someone else for proselytising their superstitious nonsense
>> because they have their own superstitious nonsense . . a person who "loves"
>> someone else but does not even know that the person they "love" is a "she"
>> and not a "he" . . clueless . .
>>
>> P.
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!

[Philip Rhoades]

jomali,


On 2016-01-26 05:40, jomali wrote:

Please note that the original message by Nasrin was on a topic germane
to this list. One member with an excessively tender sore spot objected
to something in Nasrin's signature that expressed his sincerely held
faith. There was no intent on Nasrin's part to proselytize



How naive are you?  Of course it is proselytising! - why else would that 
sort of nonsense be in a signature?  All superstitious and political 
organisations depend on increasing their numbers, otherwise they die as 
organisations - it is just marketing - and it is objectionable.




or to
demean another's faith, as Phil's diatribe does.



My "diatribe" is just as valid and provable as Nasrim's diatribe or 
nonsense . .




In my opinion, Nasrin has a perfect right to express his personal
beliefs anywhere he chooses, including on this list, if it is not the
subject of the post.



I think you will find Nasrim is a "she" - so much for your general 
knowledge - but I am not surprised . . it is as useful as your opinion . 
.


P.



On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 10:56 PM, Philip Rhoades 
wrote:


Nasrin (and others),

On 2016-01-21 21:38, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi every one.
i thank you for your time and answering my question.
i was waiting to see all comments and after that reply them.
i recieved my answer from tom and also i i appreciate him specially.

On 1/21/16, Andreas Säger  wrote:
Am 21.01.2016 um 01:42 schrieb Tom Davies:
Hi :)
Many people on this mailing list have had signatures that include
Bible quotes or such-like without anyone grumbling or anything.  I
thought it was nice to see something similar from a different
religion
for a change.

Regards from
Tom :)

And I tend to ignore all of them instinctively. I would not have
answered this topic if I had noticed that sermon.
Interesting how the least relevant null topics trigger the most
extensive discussions on this list. Trolls at work.

 --
O people! there has come to you indeed an admonition from your Lord
and a healing for what is in the breasts and a guidance and a mercy
for the believers.
Say: In the grace of Allah and in His mercy-- in that they should
rejoice; it is better than that which they gather.
holy quran, chapter 10.

please visit al-islam.org [1]

Since it appears that it is OK to proselytise on this list I will tell
you about MY God - who is better than your gods (since your gods don't
really exist):

MY God is Jibbers Crabst and was revealed to the world in a great
sermon by the Muchly High Priest and First Prophet, Matt Inman:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ_BtZ-5O60

Jibbers is a fire-breathing lobster who lives behind the rings of
Saturn.  Jibbers is THE ONE TRUE GOD and replaces all previous false
gods.  Everyone who is believer in other false gods should immediately
repent of their mistaken beliefs and adore and commit their lives to
Jibbers - our Lord and Saviour.

The Yankee People are the chosen people of Jibbers (see the sermon for
details - I am Australian BTW but that does not affect my belief in
Jibbers as the ONE TRUE GOD) and will dwell forever in The House of
Jibbers.

If you do not see the light and immediately switch your belief from
your false gods to Jibbers, the soldiers and children of Jibbers,
giant Bombardier Beetles, will rise up and send flaming balls down all
of your unbelieving throats for the rest of eternity!  After that
eternity, giant Brazilian Wandering Spiders will inject you all with
venom that will cause more pain than is imaginable for another
eternity!

So Nasrin, and others, repent of your erroneous faiths and before it
is too late, pledge your lives to the ONE TRUE GOD - Jibbers Crabst!
and be saved from eternal pain and damnation!  and live with Jibbers
forever around the most beautiful planet in the Solar system!

Have a nice day.

Phil.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!

[Philip Rhoades]

Virgil,


On 2016-01-26 07:24, Virgil Arrington wrote:

On 01/25/2016 01:40 PM, jomali wrote:
Please note that the original message by Nasrin was on a topic germane 
to

this list. One member with an excessively tender sore spot objected to
something in Nasrin's signature that expressed his sincerely held 
faith.
There was no intent on Nasrin's part to proselytize or to demean 
another's

faith, as Phil's diatribe does.


I tend to agree about signature lines. They can contain all kinds of
things having nothing to do with LO. Sometimes they're funny;



That would be fine . .



other
times they are informative about the writer. Phil's signature line
includes his address in Australia, which is informative, but has
nothing to do with LO. Nasrin's signature line includes a a few lines
about his Muslim faith,



Another person with low general knowledge . . again I am not surprised . 
.




also informative but also having nothing to do
with LO.

I pretty much ignore signature lines, and I can't possibly imagine
being offended by one, regardless of what it might say.

a Christian who loves Muslims



And there we have it - another person who has an agenda - they can't 
criticise someone else for proselytising their superstitious nonsense 
because they have their own superstitious nonsense . . a person who 
"loves" someone else but does not even know that the person they "love" 
is a "she" and not a "he" . . clueless . .


P.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!

[Virgil Arrington]

On 01/25/2016 01:40 PM, jomali wrote:

Please note that the original message by Nasrin was on a topic germane to
this list. One member with an excessively tender sore spot objected to
something in Nasrin's signature that expressed his sincerely held faith.
There was no intent on Nasrin's part to proselytize or to demean another's
faith, as Phil's diatribe does.


I tend to agree about signature lines. They can contain all kinds of 
things having nothing to do with LO. Sometimes they're funny; other 
times they are informative about the writer. Phil's signature line 
includes his address in Australia, which is informative, but has nothing 
to do with LO. Nasrin's signature line includes a a few lines about his 
Muslim faith, also informative but also having nothing to do with LO.


I pretty much ignore signature lines, and I can't possibly imagine being 
offended by one, regardless of what it might say.


Virgil
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a Christian who loves Muslims

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!

[jomali]

Please note that the original message by Nasrin was on a topic germane to
this list. One member with an excessively tender sore spot objected to
something in Nasrin's signature that expressed his sincerely held faith.
There was no intent on Nasrin's part to proselytize or to demean another's
faith, as Phil's diatribe does.

In my opinion, Nasrin has a perfect right to express his personal beliefs
anywhere he chooses, including on this list, if it is not the subject of
the post.

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 10:56 PM, Philip Rhoades  wrote:

> Nasrin (and others),
>
>
> On 2016-01-21 21:38, nasrin khaksar wrote:
>
>> hi every one.
>> i thank you for your time and answering my question.
>> i was waiting to see all comments and after that reply them.
>> i recieved my answer from tom and also i i appreciate him specially.
>>
>> On 1/21/16, Andreas Säger  wrote:
>>
>>> Am 21.01.2016 um 01:42 schrieb Tom Davies:
>>>
 Hi :)
 Many people on this mailing list have had signatures that include
 Bible quotes or such-like without anyone grumbling or anything.  I
 thought it was nice to see something similar from a different religion
 for a change.

 Regards from
 Tom :)

>>>
>>> And I tend to ignore all of them instinctively. I would not have
>>> answered this topic if I had noticed that sermon.
>>> Interesting how the least relevant null topics trigger the most
>>> extensive discussions on this list. Trolls at work.
>>>
>>> --
>> O people! there has come to you indeed an admonition from your Lord
>> and a healing for what is in the breasts and a guidance and a mercy
>> for the believers.
>> Say: In the grace of Allah and in His mercy-- in that they should
>> rejoice; it is better than that which they gather.
>> holy quran, chapter 10.
>>
>> please visit al-islam.org
>>
>
>
> Since it appears that it is OK to proselytise on this list I will tell you
> about MY God - who is better than your gods (since your gods don't really
> exist):
>
> MY God is Jibbers Crabst and was revealed to the world in a great sermon
> by the Muchly High Priest and First Prophet, Matt Inman:
>
>   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ_BtZ-5O60
>
> Jibbers is a fire-breathing lobster who lives behind the rings of Saturn.
> Jibbers is THE ONE TRUE GOD and replaces all previous false gods.  Everyone
> who is believer in other false gods should immediately repent of their
> mistaken beliefs and adore and commit their lives to Jibbers - our Lord and
> Saviour.
>
> The Yankee People are the chosen people of Jibbers (see the sermon for
> details - I am Australian BTW but that does not affect my belief in Jibbers
> as the ONE TRUE GOD) and will dwell forever in The House of Jibbers.
>
> If you do not see the light and immediately switch your belief from your
> false gods to Jibbers, the soldiers and children of Jibbers, giant
> Bombardier Beetles, will rise up and send flaming balls down all of your
> unbelieving throats for the rest of eternity!  After that eternity, giant
> Brazilian Wandering Spiders will inject you all with venom that will cause
> more pain than is imaginable for another eternity!
>
> So Nasrin, and others, repent of your erroneous faiths and before it is
> too late, pledge your lives to the ONE TRUE GOD - Jibbers Crabst! and be
> saved from eternal pain and damnation!  and live with Jibbers forever
> around the most beautiful planet in the Solar system!
>
> Have a nice day.
>
> Phil.
>
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>
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> Australia
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!

[Philip Rhoades]

Nasrin (and others),


On 2016-01-21 21:38, nasrin khaksar wrote:

hi every one.
i thank you for your time and answering my question.
i was waiting to see all comments and after that reply them.
i recieved my answer from tom and also i i appreciate him specially.

On 1/21/16, Andreas Säger  wrote:

Am 21.01.2016 um 01:42 schrieb Tom Davies:

Hi :)
Many people on this mailing list have had signatures that include
Bible quotes or such-like without anyone grumbling or anything.  I
thought it was nice to see something similar from a different 
religion

for a change.

Regards from
Tom :)


And I tend to ignore all of them instinctively. I would not have
answered this topic if I had noticed that sermon.
Interesting how the least relevant null topics trigger the most
extensive discussions on this list. Trolls at work.


--
O people! there has come to you indeed an admonition from your Lord
and a healing for what is in the breasts and a guidance and a mercy
for the believers.
Say: In the grace of Allah and in His mercy-- in that they should
rejoice; it is better than that which they gather.
holy quran, chapter 10.

please visit al-islam.org



Since it appears that it is OK to proselytise on this list I will tell 
you about MY God - who is better than your gods (since your gods don't 
really exist):


MY God is Jibbers Crabst and was revealed to the world in a great sermon 
by the Muchly High Priest and First Prophet, Matt Inman:


  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ_BtZ-5O60

Jibbers is a fire-breathing lobster who lives behind the rings of 
Saturn.  Jibbers is THE ONE TRUE GOD and replaces all previous false 
gods.  Everyone who is believer in other false gods should immediately 
repent of their mistaken beliefs and adore and commit their lives to 
Jibbers - our Lord and Saviour.


The Yankee People are the chosen people of Jibbers (see the sermon for 
details - I am Australian BTW but that does not affect my belief in 
Jibbers as the ONE TRUE GOD) and will dwell forever in The House of 
Jibbers.


If you do not see the light and immediately switch your belief from your 
false gods to Jibbers, the soldiers and children of Jibbers, giant 
Bombardier Beetles, will rise up and send flaming balls down all of your 
unbelieving throats for the rest of eternity!  After that eternity, 
giant Brazilian Wandering Spiders will inject you all with venom that 
will cause more pain than is imaginable for another eternity!


So Nasrin, and others, repent of your erroneous faiths and before it is 
too late, pledge your lives to the ONE TRUE GOD - Jibbers Crabst! and be 
saved from eternal pain and damnation!  and live with Jibbers forever 
around the most beautiful planet in the Solar system!


Have a nice day.

Phil.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice:

[Philip Jackson]

On 21/01/16 12:43, Pedro wrote:
> Returning to the subject I believe it would be useful to find out what is
> making people stick to older (and in particular discontinued) versions. If
> it is because the new features in new versions are not useful to them but
> the version they use fulfills all their needs, then it is fine. But if the
> cause are regressions then it is something to worry about.

I wouldn't think this anything peculiar to LO nor is it anything to
worry about.  It is a reflection of what is happening every where in the
tech world.

Any established product (hardware or software) reaches a point in its
development where a large number of users are entirely satisfied with
the offer.  The devs keep working on new versions with some, although
increasingly fewer, new features because that is what devs do.

These newer versions with extra features are accepted as part of the
background by newcomers to the product but the extra features are
considered as uninteresting bells and whistles by large numbers of the
existing users, the old-timers who stick to what they've already got.

It is becoming increasingly more difficult to invent a new 'wheel' and
in circles where users have to buy the product, this is causing
producers to turn away from selling to renting.

Philip

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[libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice:

[V Stuart Foote]

Virgil Arrington wrote
> On 01/21/2016 06:43 AM, Pedro wrote:
>> Returning to the subject I believe it would be useful to find out what 
>> is making people stick to older (and in particular discontinued) 
>> versions. If it is because the new features in new versions are not 
>> useful to them but the version they use fulfills all their needs, then 
>> it is fine. But if the cause are regressions then it is something to 
>> worry about. Just my 2 cents.
> 
> ...
> 
> All this to say that I'll continue to use LO 4 until it no longer 
> performs my work. Then I'll upgrade to the most stable of the "still" 
> versions available at that time. Who knows, by then it could be LO 
> 6.x.5. But, my days of trying a newer version simply because it's 
> available are over.

And that is absolutely fine!  In fact for those with similar inclinations,
here is a link to our archived releases:

/librreoffice/old
  

Of course even from these users we (the LibreOffice project) really need
folks to install the developmental and pre-releases, in parallel of course
[1], both to see emerging features (or regressions) but more importantly to
provide feed back to the design, development and QA process. That is an
aspect of care and feeding a FOSS project that users should not abdicate.
LibreOffice is a great project, please participate.

Stuart

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice:

[Virgil Arrington]

On 01/21/2016 06:43 AM, Pedro wrote:
Returning to the subject I believe it would be useful to find out what 
is making people stick to older (and in particular discontinued) 
versions. If it is because the new features in new versions are not 
useful to them but the version they use fulfills all their needs, then 
it is fine. But if the cause are regressions then it is something to 
worry about. Just my 2 cents.


I'm currently using LO 4.4.7.2. I recently tried LO 5.0.x (can't 
remember the third digit). I suffered daily crashes with it, usually 
when trying to open or save documents. I went back to 4.


I was recently thinking that my old OOo 3.2 did everything I ever needed 
in an office suite. (I use writer 95% of the time, Calc 4%, and Base 
once a year when I create a mailing list for my Christmas cards). I have 
upgraded through the LO chain of versions mostly because they were 
available. However, aside from better support for Graphite fonts like 
Linux Libertine G, my LO 4 does little (for me at least) that my OOo 3.2 
didn't do. For my work, OOo 3.2 was just as stable, if not more so, than 
LO 4 (and *much* more stable than LO 5). I long ago gave up trying to 
get OOo, or LO, or AOO to properly read and write MS Word documents, or 
to have Word properly read and write .odt documents. Something is 
*always* lost in translation and I only ever expect a close 
approximation, which LO 4 gives me.


And there have been some changes along the way that I have definitely 
not liked, such as the changes to the Templates dialog boxes (totally 
unnecessary in my opinion) and the new multi-functional sidebar. At 
least on my machine, (Ubuntu 14.04 LTS) the sidebar defaults to a 
Properties box, which I *never* use, and I have to manually switch to my 
Styles box. I have tried everything to change the default box in the 
sidebar to Styles but no avail.


All this to say that I'll continue to use LO 4 until it no longer 
performs my work. Then I'll upgrade to the most stable of the "still" 
versions available at that time. Who knows, by then it could be LO 
6.x.5. But, my days of trying a newer version simply because it's 
available are over.


Virgil

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[libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice:

[Pedro]

Hi Andreas, all


Andreas Säger wrote
> I'm still convinced that the poster is not interested in the answer to
> his technical question. And like so often we will not see any feedback
> regarding the answers to his on topic question. Therefore I call him a
> troll.

I believe you are wrong. She has contributed with bug reports on the
tracker.

If LibreOffice wants to be universally used then it needs users from other
countries and cultures. 
This is particularly important if LibreOffice wants to handle other
characters and Right To Left (RTL) writing such as Persian or Farsi (used by
around 100 million human beings)

The fact that she adds a link to a site explaining her religion doesn't
shock me. In fact I think it follows the same logic of Open Source projects
(such as LibreOffice). If you find a good project you want to share it with
others so that they join the community and that advantage of this good thing
you found.

I do not believe in any religion but I am sure that insulting people or
their religion does not help in any way and am also sure that religion is
not a subject for this forum.

Returning to the subject I believe it would be useful to find out what is
making people stick to older (and in particular discontinued) versions. If
it is because the new features in new versions are not useful to them but
the version they use fulfills all their needs, then it is fine. But if the
cause are regressions then it is something to worry about.

Just my 2 cents.

All the best,
Pedro



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[libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice:

[Andreas Säger]

Am 21.01.2016 um 01:42 schrieb Tom Davies:
> Hi :)
> Many people on this mailing list have had signatures that include
> Bible quotes or such-like without anyone grumbling or anything.  I
> thought it was nice to see something similar from a different religion
> for a change.
> 
> Regards from
> Tom :)
> 
> 
> 
> 

And I tend to ignore all of them instinctively. I would not have
answered this topic if I had noticed that sermon.
Interesting how the least relevant null topics trigger the most
extensive discussions on this list. Trolls at work.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice:

[nasrin khaksar]

hi every one.
i thank you for your time and answering my question.
i was waiting to see all comments and after that reply them.
i recieved my answer from tom and also i i appreciate him specially.

On 1/21/16, Andreas Säger  wrote:
> Am 21.01.2016 um 01:42 schrieb Tom Davies:
>> Hi :)
>> Many people on this mailing list have had signatures that include
>> Bible quotes or such-like without anyone grumbling or anything.  I
>> thought it was nice to see something similar from a different religion
>> for a change.
>>
>> Regards from
>> Tom :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> And I tend to ignore all of them instinctively. I would not have
> answered this topic if I had noticed that sermon.
> Interesting how the least relevant null topics trigger the most
> extensive discussions on this list. Trolls at work.
>
>
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holy quran, chapter 10.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice:

[Andreas Säger]

Am 21.01.2016 um 06:54 schrieb James E. Lang:
> Hi Andreas and Tom,
> 
> It was good to see that someone actually responded to the question that was 
> asked about LO. I don't make much use of Writer so I have little but civility 
> to contribute. I have *reflowed* your messages as quoted below my signature.
> 
> I would think that for the casual user of Writer who mostly uses it as a text 
> document reader like the original poster said describes his usage of LO, it 
> makes little difference which version of LO one uses. 
> 
> The diatribe that occurred against the original poster's signature block is 
> regrettable and in my opinion unwarranted. While I'm convinced that Islam is 
> in error and Christianity is true, I can pray for the followers of Islam and 
> for the peace of Jerusalem.
> 

I'm still convinced that the poster is not interested in the answer to
his technical question. And like so often we will not see any feedback
regarding the answers to his on topic question. Therefore I call him a
troll.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice:

[Virgil Arrington]

On 01/21/2016 09:12 AM, V Stuart Foote wrote:
Of course even from these users we (the LibreOffice project) really 
need folks to install the developmental and pre-releases, in parallel 
of course [1], both to see emerging features (or regressions) but more 
importantly to provide feed back to the design, development and QA 
process. That is an aspect of care and feeding a FOSS project that 
users should not abdicate. LibreOffice is a great project, please 
participate. 



At the risk of sounding like a whiner, I recently tried to participate 
by reporting a bug in LO's outline numbering system (bug 96733). The 
triage volunteer didn't think much of my bug report and first offered a 
solution. When I suggested that the proffered solution didn't work, he 
responded that I shouldn't confuse my desires with what is correct (both 
of which are accomplished with LaTeX). As a result, for certain 
outlining work, I'm forced to use LaTeX when I would prefer to use LO, 
which unfortunately doesn't work either correctly or as desired. When 
attempts to participate are rebuffed, it doesn't encourage further 
participation.


Again, I apologize for my whining. I realize not everyone shares my 
priorities.


Virgil

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice:

[James E. Lang]

Hi Andreas and Tom,

It was good to see that someone actually responded to the question that was 
asked about LO. I don't make much use of Writer so I have little but civility 
to contribute. I have *reflowed* your messages as quoted below my signature.

I would think that for the casual user of Writer who mostly uses it as a text 
document reader like the original poster said describes his usage of LO, it 
makes little difference which version of LO one uses. 

The diatribe that occurred against the original poster's signature block is 
regrettable and in my opinion unwarranted. While I'm convinced that Islam is in 
error and Christianity is true, I can pray for the followers of Islam and for 
the peace of Jerusalem.

-- 
Jim

-Original Message-
From: Tom Davies <tomc...@gmail.com>
To: "Andreas Säger" <ville...@t-online.de>
Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org" <users@global.libreoffice.org>
Sent: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 19:24
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of 
libreoffice:

Hi :)
+1
errr, at least wrt 3.5 - i'm not sure about trolls.

I think as a general rule the later versions of a branch tend to be more 
reliable in terms of their functionality and probably more stable too (although 
i've never had LO out-right crash or anything).  So for the 3.5 branch the 
3.5.4 was probably more stable and reliable than the 3.5.0.  With the 4.2 
branch hopefully it's become smoother and more reliable with each "Service 
Pack", such that 4.2.1 was a bit better, 4.2.2 quite a bit better, 4.2.3 even 
better and with the 4.2.5 being nearly the best.  The best version in the 4.2 
branch 'should be' the 4.2.6 but sometimes branches don't bother to go that far 
because the x.x.5 was plenty "good enough" (or other reasons for moving onto a 
newer branch).

The advantage with newer branches 'should be' that they just have better 
functionality, greater compatibility with the ever-changing MS formats.  
Although they are initially "stable" (using the devs definition of the word - 
errr and extra-ordinarily so, especially when compared to pretty much any other 
software apparently) some older functionality may have temporarily been 
inadvertently broken. Hopefully the "code clean-up" has significantly reduced 
the amount of unexpected breakages of completely unrelated things.

So the 4.3.6 should be about as stable and reliable as the 4.2.6 and the 4.4.6. 
 There is not much point in trying out the earlier releases of any branch, just 
skip straight to the one with the highest 3rd digit.

However what 'should be' and "what really is" are often completely opposite 
from each other in so many areas of life.  So i would be fairly interested in 
Nasrin's opinions about how closely the last few branches seem to have followed 
that "general rule", especially "with
regards to" ( = wrt ) "accessibility issues" such as screen-readers.

There is a separate mailing list for accessibility issues but it's so inactive 
that i doubt anyone is still on it and it may have even been closed down a few 
years ago without me noticing it being stopped.  I suspect that a lot of people 
moved to Apache Open Office when IBM donated it's fork of OO.o to AOO.  
OpenOffice is such a close relative of LibreOffice nowadays that it doesn't 
make a huge difference which is being used imo.

I think the main thing creating a problem for "what should be" is Java and 
Base.  If they can be avoided then maybe the "general rule" is fairly valid.  
With either Base or Java being used then it becomes a lot less clear, unless 
things have changed radically in the last couple of years.

Regards from
Tom :)

On 20 January 2016 at 12:51, Andreas Säger <ville...@t-online.de> wrote:
> Am 20.01.2016 um 13:36 schrieb Andreas Säger:
>>
>> I used 3.5 for many years with no problems.
>>
>>
>
> Oh, shit. Did I feed a troll?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice:

[Steve Edmonds]

+1

On 2016-01-21 13:42, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Many people on this mailing list have had signatures that include
Bible quotes or such-like without anyone grumbling or anything.  I
thought it was nice to see something similar from a different religion
for a change.

Regards from
Tom :)





On 20 January 2016 at 12:08, James Knott  wrote:

On 01/20/2016 03:49 AM, Erik Jan wrote:

The beauty of the free world is that everyone is free to speak their
mind. You are free to think and proclaim that religion is
superstition, and others are free to think and proclaim God's mercy.

As history and recent events have proven, those who believe in religion
are all too often the cause of violence.  When you believe in a
delusion, you can use it to justify anything, up to and including the
recent murders committed in "God's" name.  Religion is a cancer this
world can well do without.

If "believers" kept their delusions to themselves, this world would be a
much better place.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice:

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
+1
errr, at least wrt 3.5 - i'm not sure about trolls.

I think as a general rule the later versions of a branch tend to be
more reliable in terms of their functionality and probably more stable
too (although i've never had LO out-right crash or anything).  So for
the 3.5 branch the 3.5.4 was probably more stable and reliable than
the 3.5.0.  With the 4.2 branch hopefully it's become smoother and
more reliable with each "Service Pack", such that 4.2.1 was a bit
better, 4.2.2 quite a bit better, 4.2.3 even better and with the 4.2.5
being nearly the best.  The best version in the 4.2 branch 'should be'
the 4.2.6 but sometimes branches don't bother to go that far because
the x.x.5 was plenty "good enough" (or other reasons for moving onto a
newer branch).

The advantage with newer branches 'should be' that they just have
better functionality, greater compatibility with the ever-changing MS
formats.  Although they are initially "stable" (using the devs
definition of the word - errr and extra-ordinarily so, especially when
compared to pretty much any other software apparently) some older
functionality may have temporarily been inadvertently broken.
Hopefully the "code clean-up" has significantly reduced the amount of
unexpected breakages of completely unrelated things.

So the 4.3.6 should be about as stable and reliable as the 4.2.6 and
the 4.4.6.  There is not much point in trying out the earlier releases
of any branch, just skip straight to the one with the highest 3rd
digit.

However what 'should be' and "what really is" are often completely
opposite from each other in so many areas of life.  So i would be
fairly interested in Nasrin's opinions about how closely the last few
branches seem to have followed that "general rule", especially "with
regards to" ( = wrt ) "accessibility issues" such as screen-readers.

There is a separate mailing list for accessibility issues but it's so
inactive that i doubt anyone is still on it and it may have even been
closed down a few years ago without me noticing it being stopped.  I
suspect that a lot of people moved to Apache Open Office when IBM
donated it's fork of OO.o to AOO.  OpenOffice is such a close relative
of LibreOffice nowadays that it doesn't make a huge difference which
is being used imo.

I think the main thing creating a problem for "what should be" is Java
and Base.  If they can be avoided then maybe the "general rule" is
fairly valid.  With either Base or Java being used then it becomes a
lot less clear, unless things have changed radically in the last
couple of years.

Regards from
Tom :)





On 20 January 2016 at 12:51, Andreas Säger  wrote:
> Am 20.01.2016 um 13:36 schrieb Andreas Säger:
>>
>> I used 3.5 for many years with no problems.
>>
>>
>
> Oh, shit. Did I feed a troll?
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice:

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Many people on this mailing list have had signatures that include
Bible quotes or such-like without anyone grumbling or anything.  I
thought it was nice to see something similar from a different religion
for a change.

Regards from
Tom :)





On 20 January 2016 at 12:08, James Knott  wrote:
> On 01/20/2016 03:49 AM, Erik Jan wrote:
>>
>> The beauty of the free world is that everyone is free to speak their
>> mind. You are free to think and proclaim that religion is
>> superstition, and others are free to think and proclaim God's mercy.
>
> As history and recent events have proven, those who believe in religion
> are all too often the cause of violence.  When you believe in a
> delusion, you can use it to justify anything, up to and including the
> recent murders committed in "God's" name.  Religion is a cancer this
> world can well do without.
>
> If "believers" kept their delusions to themselves, this world would be a
> much better place.
>
>
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[libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice:

[Erik Jan]

Philip Rhoades schreef op 20-01-16 om 09:15:

nasrin,


On 2016-01-20 19:05, nasrin khaksar wrote:

hi every one.
i tested many versions of libreoffice since version 4.2.5
all versions have there advantages and in cases there bugs and
limitations.
whats the best version of libreoffice since version 4.3.0.4 according
to your experience?
whats the best version with more stability, reliability and with less
bugs and crashes, compatible even with the old and not powerful
computers and also sutable for none professional home users?
i only use writer and only use writer for reading books, articles etc
and for writing.



Please leave superstitious nonsense (like the stuff below) out of posts
to lists that are about real-world technology.

P.


The beauty of the free world is that everyone is free to speak their 
mind. You are free to think and proclaim that religion is superstition, 
and others are free to think and proclaim God's mercy.


His words are in the "signature"; ignore them if you want to, but do not 
despise them by judgmental words, but respect the other human being who 
who wants to be known by these words.


Greetings,

Erik.



thank you and god bless you all.

--
O people! there has come to you indeed an admonition from your Lord
and a healing for what is in the breasts and a guidance and a mercy
for the believers.
Say: In the grace of Allah and in His mercy-- in that they should
rejoice; it is better than that which they gather.
holy quran, chapter 10.

please visit al-islam.org





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice:

[Guy Voets]

Thanks Philip, very instructive!
--
Guy

2016-01-20 11:02 GMT+01:00 Philip Rhoades :

> Erik,
>
>
>
> On 2016-01-20 19:49, Erik Jan wrote:
>
>> Philip Rhoades schreef op 20-01-16 om 09:15:
>>
>>> nasrin,
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2016-01-20 19:05, nasrin khaksar wrote:
>>>
 hi every one.
 i tested many versions of libreoffice since version 4.2.5
 all versions have there advantages and in cases there bugs and
 limitations.
 whats the best version of libreoffice since version 4.3.0.4 according
 to your experience?
 whats the best version with more stability, reliability and with less
 bugs and crashes, compatible even with the old and not powerful
 computers and also sutable for none professional home users?
 i only use writer and only use writer for reading books, articles etc
 and for writing.

>>>
>>>
>>> Please leave superstitious nonsense (like the stuff below) out of posts
>>> to lists that are about real-world technology.
>>>
>>> P.
>>>
>>
>> The beauty of the free world is that everyone is free to speak their
>> mind. You are free to think and proclaim that religion is
>> superstition, and others are free to think and proclaim God's mercy.
>>
>> His words are in the "signature"; ignore them if you want to, but do
>> not despise them by judgmental words, but respect the other human
>> being who who wants to be known by these words.
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>
>
> OK, so this list is "anything goes" then - great!  Here is some stuff
> which is incredibly funny and very much more worthwhile people spending
> their time on than ghosts and goblins:
>
>   BAHFest West 2014 - Matt Inman: Jibbers Crabst
>
>   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ_BtZ-5O60
>
> Enjoy!
>
> P.
>
>
> Erik.
>>
>>>
>>> thank you and god bless you all.

 --
 O people! there has come to you indeed an admonition from your Lord
 and a healing for what is in the breasts and a guidance and a mercy
 for the believers.
 Say: In the grace of Allah and in His mercy-- in that they should
 rejoice; it is better than that which they gather.
 holy quran, chapter 10.

 please visit al-islam.org

>>>
>>>
> --
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>
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> Australia
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice:

[Philip Rhoades]

Erik,


On 2016-01-20 19:49, Erik Jan wrote:

Philip Rhoades schreef op 20-01-16 om 09:15:

nasrin,


On 2016-01-20 19:05, nasrin khaksar wrote:

hi every one.
i tested many versions of libreoffice since version 4.2.5
all versions have there advantages and in cases there bugs and
limitations.
whats the best version of libreoffice since version 4.3.0.4 according
to your experience?
whats the best version with more stability, reliability and with less
bugs and crashes, compatible even with the old and not powerful
computers and also sutable for none professional home users?
i only use writer and only use writer for reading books, articles etc
and for writing.



Please leave superstitious nonsense (like the stuff below) out of 
posts

to lists that are about real-world technology.

P.


The beauty of the free world is that everyone is free to speak their
mind. You are free to think and proclaim that religion is
superstition, and others are free to think and proclaim God's mercy.

His words are in the "signature"; ignore them if you want to, but do
not despise them by judgmental words, but respect the other human
being who who wants to be known by these words.

Greetings,



OK, so this list is "anything goes" then - great!  Here is some stuff 
which is incredibly funny and very much more worthwhile people spending 
their time on than ghosts and goblins:


  BAHFest West 2014 - Matt Inman: Jibbers Crabst

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ_BtZ-5O60

Enjoy!

P.



Erik.



thank you and god bless you all.

--
O people! there has come to you indeed an admonition from your Lord
and a healing for what is in the breasts and a guidance and a mercy
for the believers.
Say: In the grace of Allah and in His mercy-- in that they should
rejoice; it is better than that which they gather.
holy quran, chapter 10.

please visit al-islam.org




--
Philip Rhoades

PO Box 896
Cowra  NSW  2794
Australia
E-mail:  p...@pricom.com.au

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice:

[James Knott]

On 01/20/2016 03:49 AM, Erik Jan wrote:
>
> The beauty of the free world is that everyone is free to speak their
> mind. You are free to think and proclaim that religion is
> superstition, and others are free to think and proclaim God's mercy. 

As history and recent events have proven, those who believe in religion
are all too often the cause of violence.  When you believe in a
delusion, you can use it to justify anything, up to and including the
recent murders committed in "God's" name.  Religion is a cancer this
world can well do without.

If "believers" kept their delusions to themselves, this world would be a
much better place.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice:

[Andreas Säger]

Am 20.01.2016 um 13:36 schrieb Andreas Säger:
> 
> I used 3.5 for many years with no problems.
> 
> 

Oh, shit. Did I feed a troll?


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