Re: reveal codes

2017-08-09 Thread Stephen Nichols
Let me clarify.  The “codes” revealed are not what your thinking of — tags with 
bracketed text, XML code, etc..  I think that the viewing option should more 
properly be called “Reveal Structure” since it simply shows what formatting 
instruction has been given and where, specifically things like, typeface and 
size, indentations, line spacing, etc..

Stephen Nichols


On Aug 9, 2017, at 8:35 PM, Robert Funnell  wrote:

On Thu, 10 Aug 2017, Martin Groenescheij wrote:

> The reveal codes shows bad formatting issues, if you learn to use Styles 
> properly there is nothing to reveal.

Sometimes one has to work with documents created by other people.

And often one would like to be able to place the cursor before or after an 
invisible format or style 'code' (or xml tag). I think that the possibility (in 
principle) of doing so was demonstrated by the macros originally developed by 
Iannz (referred to on my Web page mentioned in an earlier post in this thread).

- Robert



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Re: reveal codes

2017-08-09 Thread jonathon
On 08/09/2017 07:48 PM, Stephen Nichols wrote:

> 2)  I absolutely LOVE the “reveal codes” function of WP.
> But … Why can’t/won't OpenOffice add a similar feature?

What problem do you think "Reveal Codes" solves.

I mean something other the fact that the developers of WP couldn't write
bug free code. (Reveal Codes was a quick fix to enable users to fix the
presentation markup errors that Wp put into their documents, due to bad
coding in their software.)

Robert wrote:

>Many people have said that it's impossible. A couple of people have
worked on macros that demonstrate that it is possible

Not impossible, but crafting either internal code, or an extension to
display "Reveal Codes" per se, is probably a waste of programmer resources.

Johnny wrote:

>I think someone built an add-on for this many years ago, but I'm not sure

I used an add-on with OOo 1.1.3-ZA Write, and a different add-on for OOo
1.1.3 Calc.

IIRC, Ian's macro didn't provide editing functionality.

###

If one configures the stylist side-bar, and formatting tool bar
appropriately, one can get virtually all of the functionality of Reveal
Codes.

jonathon

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Re: reveal codes

2017-08-09 Thread Robert Funnell

On Thu, 10 Aug 2017, Martin Groenescheij wrote:

The reveal codes shows bad formatting issues, if you learn to use Styles 
properly there is nothing to reveal.


Sometimes one has to work with documents created by other people.

And often one would like to be able to place the cursor before or 
after an invisible format or style 'code' (or xml tag). I think that 
the possibility (in principle) of doing so was demonstrated by the 
macros originally developed by Iannz (referred to on my Web page 
mentioned in an earlier post in this thread).


- Robert

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Re: reveal codes

2017-08-09 Thread Martin Groenescheij



On 10/08/17 5:48 AM, Stephen Nichols wrote:

I used WordPerfect for 15 years because of two reasons, besides that it’s a 
great product.
1)  I hate Microsoft.
2)  I absolutely LOVE the “reveal codes” function of WP.  It is the most 
powerful tool in word processing, eliminating all sorts of bad formatting 
issues.


The reveal codes shows bad formatting issues, if you learn to use Styles 
properly there is nothing to reveal.




I can’t easily use WP anymore since all of our computers have gone to Macs and 
Corel won’t come back with their Mac version.  I find OpenOffice a very 
suitable replacement.  But … Why can’t/won't OpenOffice add a similar feature?

Stephen Nichols
Aldie, Virginia
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Re: reveal codes

2017-08-09 Thread Johnny Rosenberg
2017-08-09 21:48 GMT+02:00 Stephen Nichols :

> I used WordPerfect for 15 years because of two reasons, besides that it’s
> a great product.
> 1)  I hate Microsoft.
> 2)  I absolutely LOVE the “reveal codes” function of WP.  It is the most
> powerful tool in word processing, eliminating all sorts of bad formatting
> issues.
>
> I can’t easily use WP anymore since all of our computers have gone to Macs
> and Corel won’t come back with their Mac version.  I find OpenOffice a very
> suitable replacement.  But … Why can’t/won't OpenOffice add a similar
> feature?
>

I think someone built an add-on for this many years ago, but I'm not sure
if it still works. Or maybe it was made for LibreOffice, I don't remember.

Apache OpenOffice is built around styles, kind of. This has its obvious
advantages, especially when you want consistent documents and it's very
easy to make huge changes very quickly, for instance in a few clicks change
the font size for all headers in hundreds of pages at once. I use styles
all the time and I never needed ”reveal codes” and I'm pretty sure I'll
never need them.


Anyway, if that add-on can't be found or if it doesn't work with newer
versions of Apache OpenOffice, and if you don't want to adapt to styles,
then I would say that Apache OpenOffice is not for you. Pick something
else. This discussion has been up quite a few times and it seems obvious to
me that this feature will never ever be implemented in Apache OpenOffice,
nor in LibreOffice. At least that's what I think.


Kind regards

Johnny Rosenberg


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Re: reveal codes

2017-08-09 Thread Robert Funnell

On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Stephen Nichols wrote:


I used WordPerfect for 15 years because of two reasons, besides that it’s a 
great product.
1)  I hate Microsoft.
2)  I absolutely LOVE the “reveal codes” function of WP.  It is the most 
powerful tool in word processing, eliminating all sorts of bad formatting 
issues.

I can’t easily use WP anymore since all of our computers have gone to Macs and 
Corel won’t come back with their Mac version.  I find OpenOffice a very 
suitable replacement.  But … Why can’t/won't OpenOffice add a similar feature?

Stephen Nichols
Aldie, Virginia


You may be interested in looking at bug 3395 from 2002:
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=3395

Many people have said that it's impossible. A couple of people have 
worked on macros that demonstrate that it is possible (cf. my old

discussion at
http://audilab.bme.mcgill.ca/~funnell/swil_ooo.html#reveal).

- Robert

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Re: reveal codes

2017-08-09 Thread Rory O'Farrell
On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 15:48:40 -0400
Stephen Nichols  wrote:

> I used WordPerfect for 15 years because of two reasons, besides that it’s a 
> great product.
> 1)  I hate Microsoft.
> 2)  I absolutely LOVE the “reveal codes” function of WP.  It is the most 
> powerful tool in word processing, eliminating all sorts of bad formatting 
> issues.
> 
> I can’t easily use WP anymore since all of our computers have gone to Macs 
> and Corel won’t come back with their Mac version.  I find OpenOffice a very 
> suitable replacement.  But … Why can’t/won't OpenOffice add a similar feature?
> 
> Stephen Nichols
> Aldie, Virginia

Because the formatting codes are not simple one/two byte codes -they are XML 
strings.  You need to learn how to use D
Styles and may find it helpful to turn on /View /Non printing characters.

If you wish to see the XML formatting codes, unzip an OpenOffice file (which is 
a zipped archive) and examine content.xml with a plain text or an XML editor  
Be advised, bad editing of this file can damage the OO file, perhaps 
irreparably.

-- 
Rory O'Farrell 

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reveal codes

2017-08-09 Thread Stephen Nichols
I used WordPerfect for 15 years because of two reasons, besides that it’s a 
great product.
1)  I hate Microsoft.
2)  I absolutely LOVE the “reveal codes” function of WP.  It is the most 
powerful tool in word processing, eliminating all sorts of bad formatting 
issues.

I can’t easily use WP anymore since all of our computers have gone to Macs and 
Corel won’t come back with their Mac version.  I find OpenOffice a very 
suitable replacement.  But … Why can’t/won't OpenOffice add a similar feature?

Stephen Nichols
Aldie, Virginia
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Problems Opening Open Office Program

2017-08-09 Thread comprehensivehomeinspecti...@hotmail.com
We use Open Office for our business, & we recently bought a new device 
(Nextbook Flexx10 with Windows 8.1) and downloaded the latest version of Open 
Office. It was working fine at first then it started kicking us off the program 
saying "A problem has caused the program to stop working correctly. Windows 
will close the program and notify you if a solution becomes available". It will 
let us open a blank document but not one of our documents that we were 
currently working on. Also the keyboard will momentarily freeze at the same 
time. We're in the middle of an important business report & need to get it 
working again asap. What should we do? Any suggestions would be greatly 
appreciated. We've never had any issues with Open Office in the past. 

Comprehensive Home Inspections

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file calc danneggiato

2017-08-09 Thread stefanosimone...@virgilio.it
Buongiorno,

allego file trasformato NON SO COME da calc a writer.
... quindi illeggibile.. 
apre finestra opzioni filtro ASCII 
proprietà: europa occidentale (apple macintosh)
Caratteri: times new roman 
lingua: italia
interruz. paragrafo: CR‹LF CR LF
HO RIDOWNLODATO APACHES OPEN OFFICE 4.1.3  ITA  ANCHE PERCHE' LA VERSIONE SU 
CUI LAVORAVO ERA ANCORA IN INGLESE (ma non credo centri col problema)
potete riconvertirlo voi o aiutarmi a farlo? 
Vi prego ditemi come convertirlo da writer a calc x viosualizzarlo com'era
(non era eseguito back up di questo file ma era sisuramente salvato.)

Grazie per il vostro aiuto
Stefano Simonetto +39.3336430456

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