Re: [VFB] Handline

2014-08-10 Thread rx4fishing
We used to use those as a kid also. They were quite common at the time..

Ron
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 Long time since I've seen one of those.
 
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Re: [VFB] Handline

2014-08-10 Thread ashley strutt
I remember those, harbour walls and piers are full of kids and adults 
during the summer using those to catch stuff, mostly crabs. Some people 
refer to those as crab lines. Used one once out the back of a boat in 
Falmouth harbour to try and catch Mackerel.


Ashley

On Sun 10 Aug 2014 11:20:26 BST, rx4fish...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

We used to use those as a kid also. They were quite common at the time..

Ron
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Long time since I've seen one of those.

Rick


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Re: [VFB] Observations of VFB and age

2014-08-10 Thread Reuven Segal
We never had anything like that over here as far as I know. I only ever 
used a plastic handline growing up.it wasn't back in '39 however  :)
Quite a beautiful piece of equipment however. Deserves to be mounted on 
a wall.


On 10/08/2014 7:44 AM, 'Anthony Spezio' via VFB Mail wrote:

Nev,
I still have two of those. One is still brand new, never used. I got 
that one in a bunch of stuff that was given to me several years ago. 
That was also my first fishing thing. I caught my first trout on it. 
You could cast it out then hook the like on a bell that was on a 
length of spring wire with a bell on it. The wire had a hook bend in 
it to slip the line in. When the fish took the bait, the bell would 
ring. I think I was about 10 years old then. I think they cost a whole 
nickel at that time, that would of been 1939.

Tony


On Saturday, August 9, 2014 1:34 PM, Neville Gosling 
nev.gosl...@shaw.ca wrote:



I have been fascinated by fish and their environs since a small child. 
I begged my parents to get me some fishing tackle and eventually, I 
received a hand line for sea fishing comprising of a lead weight and 3 
hooks separated on wire booms. The line was wound around an H shaped 
handle and one stripped line onto the ground and then whirled the 
weighted hooks around and let go towards the sea.  My father didn't 
fish, but I believe that I have a deep instinct that makes me want to 
fish.


I don't think that you can make someone into a fly fisher person 
unless that person either has that deep instinct or interest and is 
not aware of it.  I know people that take up fly fishing and are very 
gung ho, only to lose interest and to move on to something else.



Neville (Nev) Gosling

The older I get, the better I was!



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Re: [VFB] Observations of VFB and age

2014-08-10 Thread 'Anthony Spezio' via VFB Mail
Reuven,
That is a good idea, I may just mount the new one I have in a shadow box and 
hang it on my wall.
Tony 


On Sunday, August 10, 2014 6:24 AM, Reuven Segal beer...@gmail.com wrote:
  


We never had anything like that over here as far as I know. I only ever used a 
plastic handline growing up.it wasn't back in '39 however  :)
Quite a beautiful piece of equipment however. Deserves to be mounted
on a wall.


On 10/08/2014 7:44 AM, 'Anthony Spezio' via VFB Mail wrote:
 
Nev, 
I still have two of those. One is still brand new, never used. I got that one 
in a bunch of stuff that was given to me several years ago. That was also my 
first fishing thing. I caught my first trout on it. You could cast it out then 
hook the like on a bell that was on a length of spring wire with a bell on it. 
The wire had a hook bend in it to slip the line in. When the fish took the 
bait, the bell would ring. I think I was about 10 years old then. I think they 
cost a whole nickel at that time, that would of been 1939. 
Tony 


 
On Saturday, August 9, 2014 1:34 PM, Neville Gosling 
mailto:nev.gosl...@shaw.ca wrote:
  


I have been fascinated by fish and their environs since a small child. I 
begged my parents to get me some fishing tackle and eventually, I received a 
hand line for sea fishing comprising of a lead weight and 3 hooks separated on 
wire booms. The line was wound around an H shaped handle and one stripped line 
onto the ground and then whirled the weighted hooks around and let go towards 
the sea.  My father didn't fish, but I believe that I have a deep instinct 
that makes me want to fish.

I don't think that you can make someone into a fly
fisher person unless that person either has that deep
instinct or interest and is not aware of it.  I know
people that take up fly fishing and are very gung ho,
only to lose interest and to move on to something else.


Neville (Nev) Gosling

The older I get, the better I was!



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Re: [VFB] Handline

2014-08-10 Thread 'Anthony Spezio' via VFB Mail
Joyce,
Never heard od that one . I am trying to visualize doing that in my mind.
Tony 


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I remember those, harbour walls and piers are full of kids and adults 
during the summer using those to catch stuff, mostly crabs. Some people 
refer to those as crab lines. Used one once out the back of a boat in 
Falmouth harbour to try and catch Mackerel.

Ashley


On Sun 10 Aug 2014 11:20:26 BST, rx4fish...@nycap.rr.com wrote:
 We used to use those as a kid also. They were quite common at the time..

 Ron
  'Rick Zieger' via VFB Mail vfb-mail@googlegroups.com wrote:
 Long time since I've seen one of those.

 Rick


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Re: [VFB] Observations of VFB and age

2014-08-10 Thread Reuven Segal
I am into the old tools rather than the 'disposable' ones. My friend, 
the butcher, had old knives, hand- operated salami cutters, saws and so 
forth on the wall of his butcher shop. Lovely stuff.

Shame for this sort of stuff to get lost, damaged or tossed in the corner.

On 10/08/2014 9:35 PM, 'Anthony Spezio' via VFB Mail wrote:

Reuven,
That is a good idea, I may just mount the new one I have in a shadow 
box and hang it on my wall.

Tony


On Sunday, August 10, 2014 6:24 AM, Reuven Segal beer...@gmail.com 
wrote:



We never had anything like that over here as far as I know. I only 
ever used a plastic handline growing up.it wasn't back in '39 
however  :)
Quite a beautiful piece of equipment however. Deserves to be mounted 
on a wall.


On 10/08/2014 7:44 AM, 'Anthony Spezio' via VFB Mail wrote:

Nev,
I still have two of those. One is still brand new, never used. I got 
that one in a bunch of stuff that was given to me several years ago. 
That was also my first fishing thing. I caught my first trout on it. 
You could cast it out then hook the like on a bell that was on a 
length of spring wire with a bell on it. The wire had a hook bend in 
it to slip the line in. When the fish took the bait, the bell would 
ring. I think I was about 10 years old then. I think they cost a 
whole nickel at that time, that would of been 1939.

Tony


On Saturday, August 9, 2014 1:34 PM, Neville Gosling 
mailto:nev.gosl...@shaw.ca wrote:



I have been fascinated by fish and their environs since a small 
child. I begged my parents to get me some fishing tackle and 
eventually, I received a hand line for sea fishing comprising of a 
lead weight and 3 hooks separated on wire booms. The line was wound 
around an H shaped handle and one stripped line onto the ground and 
then whirled the weighted hooks around and let go towards the sea.  
My father didn't fish, but I believe that I have a deep instinct that 
makes me want to fish.


I don't think that you can make someone into a fly fisher person 
unless that person either has that deep instinct or interest and is 
not aware of it.  I know people that take up fly fishing and are very 
gung ho, only to lose interest and to move on to something else.



Neville (Nev) Gosling

The older I get, the better I was!



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Re: [VFB] Tenkara Anyone?

2014-08-10 Thread Wes Wada
Hi Jerry,

Thanks for the info.  Is this the rod you were talking about?
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Cabelas-Telescopic-Panfish-Poles/738690.uts

Some notes on Tenkara.  Some of you remember VFB member Mark Romero, who
sadly passed a couple of years ago. His spouse Misa Ishimura was co-author
of one of the books on Tenkara fishing.

http://tinyurl.com/l9v3zae

More on Misa here:
https://sites.google.com/site/misakoishimura/


Wes Wada
Bend, Oregon






On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 8:23 PM, jerryp...@comcast.net wrote:

 I've messed around with it.  I first saw my first tenkara rod about 5 or 6
 years ago when a customer walked in to the local fly shop I frequent.  He
 was a frequent traveler and well versed in tenkara fishing.  He'd brought a
 tenkara rod back from Japan which set the owner back $300.  He showed us
 how to rig it and demonstrated a bit of casting.  I had a chance to exam
 in the rod and it looked familiar to me.  Reminded of the long cane poles
 we sometime used for crappie fishing when I was in college in NW Tennessee.
  Went home and rummaged through my Cabela's catalog and came across
 telescoping graphite crappie poles, ranged from 10 to 14 feet in length.  I
 ordered a 10 footer and when I got it I took it to the shop and we compared
 it with the Tenkara rod very little difference even manufactured by the
 same company except the price which was $275 less than the shop owner.  I
 used it a couple of times but it's tough to use a 10 foot rod.  Still if
 folks are interested in getting into tenkara fishing, it's an inexpensive
 way to get started.

 Jerry C

 - Original Message -
 I did some fishing with them in January and caught some large piranhas
 with them.

 To me they are nice to use when I go to the local pond.

 Jim Forshey
 Placerville, California


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 Date:08/09/2014  3:53 PM  (GMT-08:00)
 To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 Cc:
 Subject: [VFB] Tenkara Anyone?

 Has anyone else here gotten into Tenkara yet?  I'm now using it where I
 used to go to my two weight.  5th year of drought, the rivers and creeks
 are low, Tenkara means sight casting to small fish , for the most part.
 And you can get a deep rod bend out of a 5 inch sunfish.

 We are also having some luck in using Tenkara to get new fishermen
 interested in the fly.  The rods are a little steep, but there's no reel
 involved and lines go for $2 - $20.  Very light and easy to cast.  We
 (my local fly club) have a beginner's Tenkara outing scheduled for next
 weekend and we have 30 people signed up.  We'll pair them up with
 experienced fishermen and get them rolling.  Gonna have to put a few on
 regular rods part-time 'cause we don't have access to that many T-rods.

 Jack
 Austin

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Re: [VFB] Tenkara Anyone?

2014-08-10 Thread 'Rick Zieger' via VFB Mail
I have a rod that I have been using.  Great fun.
Rick


On Saturday, August 9, 2014 5:53 PM, Jack Lehman jklepo...@sbcglobal.net 
wrote:
 


Has anyone else here gotten into Tenkara yet?  I'm now using it where I 
used to go to my two weight.  5th year of drought, the rivers and creeks 
are low, Tenkara means sight casting to small fish , for the most part.  
And you can get a deep rod bend out of a 5 inch sunfish.

We are also having some luck in using Tenkara to get new fishermen 
interested in the fly.  The rods are a little steep, but there's no reel 
involved and lines go for $2 - $20.  Very light and easy to cast.  We 
(my local fly club) have a beginner's Tenkara outing scheduled for next 
weekend and we have 30 people signed up.  We'll pair them up with 
experienced fishermen and get them rolling.  Gonna have to put a few on 
regular rods part-time 'cause we don't have access to that many T-rods.

Jack
Austin

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[VFB] MASTER] Summary of Are we tO Old Survey

2014-08-10 Thread Jimmy D. Moore
Sorry to be so late and messy. tore ligament in left wrist and hard to 
type.. If you don't show and
know you're on the list, jusst add your name and age again. and send to 
me.  I'll try to do better.


Ok, young and old farts, (VFB'ers). lets do one of My well known VFB 
surveys.  OK?? Could be fun. Add your name.  Could also liven 
things up a little and age below: 
JIMMY D


Just fall in line.

Jimmy D. 77
Tony Spezio --85
Denny Conrad--79 3/4
Allan fish--78
Don Ordes - 63
Peggy Brenner - 65
Nev Gosling - 68
Wayne Blake-Hedges - 54
Jerry Caruso - 66
Dan harrington - 63
Reuven Segal - 38
Ron Boutin - 64
Alan Di somma - 71
Walter Shockley - 65
Gary Webb - 67
Jimi - Desert Eagle - 57
Joyce Wetphal -73
J Balmer - 61
Mel Hocken - agless ,
Bob Hendry - 70
Rene 59 Jack 45,
Rick 64,
Thomas 70,
Brian 62,
Scott 37,
Gary 67
 Michael 66




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Re: [VFB] MASTER] Summary of Are we tO Old Survey

2014-08-10 Thread 'Jeff Frye' via VFB Mail
Jeff Frye 54 this Thursday

Sent from my iPad

 On Aug 10, 2014, at 11:51 AM, Jimmy D. Moore ray...@earthlink.net wrote:
 
 Sorry to be so late and messy. tore ligament in left wrist and hard to type.. 
 If you don't show and 
 know you're on the list, jusst add your name and age again. and send to me.  
 I'll try to do better.
 
 Ok, young and old farts, (VFB'ers). lets do one of My well known VFB 
 surveys.  OK?? Could be fun. Add your name.  Could also liven things 
 up a little and age below:  
 JIMMY D 
 
  Just fall in line.
  
 Jimmy D. 77 
 Tony Spezio --85 
 Denny Conrad--79 3/4 
 Allan fish--78 
 Don Ordes - 63 
 Peggy Brenner - 65 
 Nev Gosling - 68 
 Wayne Blake-Hedges - 54 
 Jerry Caruso - 66 
 Dan harrington - 63 
 Reuven Segal - 38 
 Ron Boutin - 64 
 Alan Di somma - 71 
 Walter Shockley - 65 
 Gary Webb - 67 
 Jimi - Desert Eagle - 57 
 Joyce Wetphal -73 
 J Balmer - 61 
 Mel Hocken - agless ,
  Bob Hendry - 70 
 Rene 59 Jack 45, 
 Rick 64,
  Thomas 70,
  Brian 62,
 Scott 37, 
 Gary 67
  Michael 66
 
 
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Re: [VFB] Tenkara Anyone?

2014-08-10 Thread Jerryphl9
Wes:
  That's the one.  It's a cheap way to try tenkara fishing. You can put a loop 
on the piece of fly line you want to and do a loop to eye connection.  Another 
way, as I found out by accident, the one I bought had a butt cap on it which 
came off and I could have popped the tip top off and threaded the fly line 
through the rod and seated it with some Goop or flexible cement.  Cabela's 
recommendation that the line shouldn't be longer than the rod is right on the 
money.  If you're planning on using a leader, you might want to make a bit 
shorter.
  I actually met Mark and his wife at a show many, many years ago.
- Original Message -
Hi Jerry,

Thanks for the info.  Is this the rod you were talking about?
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Cabelas-Telescopic-Panfish-Poles/738690.uts

Some notes on Tenkara.  Some of you remember VFB member Mark Romero, who
sadly passed a couple of years ago. His spouse Misa Ishimura was co-author
of one of the books on Tenkara fishing.

http://tinyurl.com/l9v3zae

More on Misa here:
https://sites.google.com/site/misakoishimura/


Wes Wada
Bend, Oregon






On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 8:23 PM, jerryp...@comcast.net wrote:

 I've messed around with it.  I first saw my first tenkara rod about 5 or 6
 years ago when a customer walked in to the local fly shop I frequent.  He
 was a frequent traveler and well versed in tenkara fishing.  He'd brought a
 tenkara rod back from Japan which set the owner back $300.  He showed us
 how to rig it and demonstrated a bit of casting.  I had a chance to exam
 in the rod and it looked familiar to me.  Reminded of the long cane poles
 we sometime used for crappie fishing when I was in college in NW Tennessee.
  Went home and rummaged through my Cabela's catalog and came across
 telescoping graphite crappie poles, ranged from 10 to 14 feet in length.  I
 ordered a 10 footer and when I got it I took it to the shop and we compared
 it with the Tenkara rod very little difference even manufactured by the
 same company except the price which was $275 less than the shop owner.  I
 used it a couple of times but it's tough to use a 10 foot rod.  Still if
 folks are interested in getting into tenkara fishing, it's an inexpensive
 way to get started.

 Jerry C

 - Original Message -
 I did some fishing with them in January and caught some large piranhas
 with them.

 To me they are nice to use when I go to the local pond.

 Jim Forshey
 Placerville, California


  Original message 
 From: Jack Lehman jklepo...@sbcglobal.net
 Date:08/09/2014  3:53 PM  (GMT-08:00)
 To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 Cc:
 Subject: [VFB] Tenkara Anyone?

 Has anyone else here gotten into Tenkara yet?  I'm now using it where I
 used to go to my two weight.  5th year of drought, the rivers and creeks
 are low, Tenkara means sight casting to small fish , for the most part.
 And you can get a deep rod bend out of a 5 inch sunfish.

 We are also having some luck in using Tenkara to get new fishermen
 interested in the fly.  The rods are a little steep, but there's no reel
 involved and lines go for $2 - $20.  Very light and easy to cast.  We
 (my local fly club) have a beginner's Tenkara outing scheduled for next
 weekend and we have 30 people signed up.  We'll pair them up with
 experienced fishermen and get them rolling.  Gonna have to put a few on
 regular rods part-time 'cause we don't have access to that many T-rods.

 Jack
 Austin

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Re: [VFB] Tenkara Anyone?

2014-08-10 Thread Peggy Brenner
Misa should be home from Japan this fall, her Mom is not well and she 
decided she has the time to spend with her, while it matters most.


When she comes back she will be doing some more Tenkara workshops, she 
does a very good job and has the history.  I'm taking her next workshop 
to give it a try.


Peggy

 On 8/10/2014 1:10 PM, jerryp...@comcast.net wrote:

Wes:
   That's the one.  It's a cheap way to try tenkara fishing. You can put a loop 
on the piece of fly line you want to and do a loop to eye connection.  Another 
way, as I found out by accident, the one I bought had a butt cap on it which 
came off and I could have popped the tip top off and threaded the fly line 
through the rod and seated it with some Goop or flexible cement.  Cabela's 
recommendation that the line shouldn't be longer than the rod is right on the 
money.  If you're planning on using a leader, you might want to make a bit 
shorter.
   I actually met Mark and his wife at a show many, many years ago.
- Original Message -
Hi Jerry,

Thanks for the info.  Is this the rod you were talking about?
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Cabelas-Telescopic-Panfish-Poles/738690.uts

Some notes on Tenkara.  Some of you remember VFB member Mark Romero, who
sadly passed a couple of years ago. His spouse Misa Ishimura was co-author
of one of the books on Tenkara fishing.

http://tinyurl.com/l9v3zae

More on Misa here:
https://sites.google.com/site/misakoishimura/


Wes Wada
Bend, Oregon






On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 8:23 PM, jerryp...@comcast.net wrote:


I've messed around with it.  I first saw my first tenkara rod about 5 or 6
years ago when a customer walked in to the local fly shop I frequent.  He
was a frequent traveler and well versed in tenkara fishing.  He'd brought a
tenkara rod back from Japan which set the owner back $300.  He showed us
how to rig it and demonstrated a bit of casting.  I had a chance to exam
in the rod and it looked familiar to me.  Reminded of the long cane poles
we sometime used for crappie fishing when I was in college in NW Tennessee.
  Went home and rummaged through my Cabela's catalog and came across
telescoping graphite crappie poles, ranged from 10 to 14 feet in length.  I
ordered a 10 footer and when I got it I took it to the shop and we compared
it with the Tenkara rod very little difference even manufactured by the
same company except the price which was $275 less than the shop owner.  I
used it a couple of times but it's tough to use a 10 foot rod.  Still if
folks are interested in getting into tenkara fishing, it's an inexpensive
way to get started.

Jerry C

- Original Message -
I did some fishing with them in January and caught some large piranhas
with them.

To me they are nice to use when I go to the local pond.

Jim Forshey
Placerville, California


 Original message 
From: Jack Lehman jklepo...@sbcglobal.net
Date:08/09/2014  3:53 PM  (GMT-08:00)
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Cc:
Subject: [VFB] Tenkara Anyone?

Has anyone else here gotten into Tenkara yet?  I'm now using it where I
used to go to my two weight.  5th year of drought, the rivers and creeks
are low, Tenkara means sight casting to small fish , for the most part.
And you can get a deep rod bend out of a 5 inch sunfish.

We are also having some luck in using Tenkara to get new fishermen
interested in the fly.  The rods are a little steep, but there's no reel
involved and lines go for $2 - $20.  Very light and easy to cast.  We
(my local fly club) have a beginner's Tenkara outing scheduled for next
weekend and we have 30 people signed up.  We'll pair them up with
experienced fishermen and get them rolling.  Gonna have to put a few on
regular rods part-time 'cause we don't have access to that many T-rods.

Jack
Austin

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Re: [VFB] Observations of VFB and age

2014-08-10 Thread rx4fishing
Whether or not the sport of fly fishing is in trouble I am not sure. Certainly 
you do not see the younger people getting into it. Our local TU chapter is very 
active and we do alot of things. However when you look at the core group , it 
is primarily retired members, with just a couple of younger members who are 
really active. But when I go fishing there is no lack of fisherman out there. I 
spend alot of the spring fishing the Delaware river system. Over the years 
there is more and more people fishing, and spots That I used to have myself, 
well no longer. There are many times when we can't even get a spot on our home 
pool . And over the last 20 odd years or so, fishing out west  the same thing 
has occured. There used to be 3 fly shops in West Yellowstone. Now ther are 5, 
and when you go in there is always people in them.  I donot  even go into the 
park to fish anymore during the normal summer season, you can't find a spot to 
fish. Go to any of the known rivers in Montana, and there are people all over. 
You have to hike or backpack and seek out the unknown, smaller streams to be 
alone. So as I said I am not sure of the future of fly fishing. I am seeing 
younger people fishing, and seeing more women fly fishing also..

Ron B

 'Anthony Spezio' via VFB Mail vfb-mail@googlegroups.com wrote: 
 I live in a rural area where they are lakes and rivers all around. One of the 
 big business in the area is fishing and guiding on the lakes and ricers and 
 creeks along with a lot of campgrounds. What we see here are many people 
 leaving Wal-Mart with 15.00 spinning outfits on plastic covered cardboard 
 kits. Our Wal-Mart quit carrying any type of fly fishing gear except a few 
 flies in a package that fall apart after the first cast. We had three fly 
 shops in the area. we now have only one and that one has changed hands three 
 times since it opened. I have personally tutored a number of young  folks but 
 as far as I know only three have stayed with it.
 What bothers me most I have seven grandson and great grans sons but none are 
 interested in fishing. No interest at all. When they visit, I never see their 
 noses out of their cell phones or computer games. They are all addicted to 
 them. My son in law is a good fly fisher but his some has absently no 
 interest even though we have taken him out and he has caught some fish. I 
 have also tried to teach him to tie, no interest.
 Tony 
 
 
 On Saturday, August 9, 2014 10:43 AM, Wes Wada w...@wadaworks.com wrote:
   
 
 
 We've had a lot of discussions around here about the state of flyfishing and 
 tying, and whether there is enough new blood and interest to sustain it. 
 
 Our local flyclub also has youth programs such as Next Cast and Kokanee 
 Carnival, but in general, like elsewhere, this is an older person's pasttime 
 like rock hounding, old time fiddlers, or classic cars.  Also, first 
 impressions for a lot of folks is that this is an expensive, elitist hobby to 
 get into. 
 
 We have a large fly tying expo in Albany, Oregon each year, and one friend, 
 who owns a major fly tying materials company, always points out how you can 
 look at the show floor and not see anyone visiting that is under 40.   
 
 I don't think there is any question that in the future, many flyshops and 
 fishing gear businesses will bite the dust, as there won't be the critical 
 mass of customers existing to sustain them.  Across the USA, fishing and 
 hunting licenses sales have been in a steep decline.  Our local FW 
 department has just announced a 35% cut in their budget due the poor license 
 sales and the Congressional sequester. 
 
 That's not to say there isn't a younger group out there,  but as Peggy noted, 
 they are more internet and social network oriented, and much of what they 
 learn is through YouTube, Vimeo and sites sporting video tutorials.  If you 
 want to see some of this younger crowd, attend a fly fishing film tour 
 showing. Membership in fly clubs is not seen as a cool way to spend your 
 time!   
 
 More than anything, IMO, families do not stress the outdoors like they used 
 to, due to lack of experience, time or money.  Every fly fisher I know grew 
 up in families that spend at lot of time outdoors fishing, camping and 
 hunting.  Also organizations like Cub and Boy Scouts were a lot more 
 prevalent.  Not having these resources, it is no wonder younger people fall 
 into other interests. 
 
 What we need is another the movie grin.  Transformers vs. the Wily Brown 
 Trout. 
 
 Wes
 
 
 
 
 
 On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Jimmy D. Moore ray...@earthlink.net wrote:
 
 Well put, Peggy
 JIM
 
 
 Peggy Brenner wrote:
 
 
 I think our ages reflect all the fly tying groups in general, however, we 
 are all for the most part active.  A good number of our over 50's are still 
 working, all of us volunteer in our areas and we have extended families to 
 take care of.
 
 Joyce, it's nice to see someone else in healthcare hanging in, it's 

Re: [VFB] Project Healing Waters Fly Fishing

2014-08-10 Thread Ronald Boutin
We have been working with local VA hosp doling tying workshops .However it has 
not gone over very well as most people that come are just looking for something 
to do for a few hours ant not really interested in learning to tie. So we are 
trying to see how we can increase participation. I help out on a Project 
Healing Waters teaching steelhead fishing on the salmon river (ny).It is a 2 
and a half day program and always completely filled. It is a great program and 
very rewarding..
Ron b

On August 8, 2014, at 11:42AM, Walter K. Shockley wrote:

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Re: [VFB] MASTER] Summary of Are we tO Old Survey

2014-08-10 Thread Bob
Bob Haering 57 Wearer of the the Whiting Saddle Hackle Loin Cloth charter 
member 

- Original Message -

From: Moore, Jimmy ray...@earthlink.net 
To: VFB vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 12:51:33 PM 
Subject: [VFB] MASTER] Summary of Are we tO Old Survey 

Sorry to be so late and messy. tore ligament in left wrist and hard to type.. 
If you don't show and 
know you're on the list, jusst add your name and age again. and send to me. 
I'll try to do better. 

Ok, young and old farts, (VFB'ers). lets do one of My well known VFB 
surveys. OK?? Could be fun. Add your name. Could also liven things up a little 
and age below: 
JIMMY D 

Just fall in line. 

Jimmy D. 77 
Tony Spezio --85 
Denny Conrad--79 3/4 
Allan fish--78 
Don Ordes - 63 
Peggy Brenner - 65 
Nev Gosling - 68 
Wayne Blake-Hedges - 54 
Jerry Caruso - 66 
Dan harrington - 63 
Reuven Segal - 38 
Ron Boutin - 64 
Alan Di somma - 71 
Walter Shockley - 65 
Gary Webb - 67 
Jimi - Desert Eagle - 57 
Joyce Wetphal -73 
J Balmer - 61 
Mel Hocken - agless , 
Bob Hendry - 70 
Rene 59 Jack 45, 
Rick 64, 
Thomas 70, 
Brian 62, 
Scott 37, 
Gary 67 
 Michael 66 
Bob Haering 57 


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[VFB] Average age so far

2014-08-10 Thread Neville Gosling
Fellow VFB'ers

The average age of the group so far is 63.9 years. Does that tell you something?




Neville (Nev) Gosling

The older I get, the better I was!



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Re: [VFB] Average age so far

2014-08-10 Thread Allan Fish
Yep. I'm corresponding with a bunch of folks much younger than me. 
Allan

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Re: [VFB] Project Healing Waters Fly Fishing

2014-08-10 Thread Bob Hendry
Count me in too.  I got my start in fly tying via PHWFF program at Walter Reed 
in 2011.  I'd like to give back . . .

Cheers,

On August 10, 2014 6:29:27 PM EDT, 'Anthony Spezio' via VFB Mail 
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Count me in for five Froggies. I am sure I can do those.
Tony 


On Sunday, August 10, 2014 3:01 PM, Ronald Boutin
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We have been working with local VA hosp doling tying workshops .However
it has not gone over very well as most people that come are just
looking for something to do for a few hours ant not really interested
in learning to tie. So we are trying to see how we can increase
participation. I help out on a Project Healing Waters teaching
steelhead fishing on the salmon river (ny).It is a 2 and a half day
program and always completely filled. It is a great program and very
rewarding..
Ron b 

On August 8, 2014, at 11:42AM, Walter K. Shockley  wrote:


Good Morning all,

For two years I worked with another gentleman here in the Charleston SC
Area to get a Project Healing Water Fly Fishing (PHWFF) group started
as he was the lead and moved ever so slow, as we were going nowhere I
ask the national group to send me all the information and I would make
it work. 
I talked with the folks at the Charleston VAMC and put posters up,
contacted all the fly shops and off we went.

Last Tuesday I conducted my first class for five veterans (2 could not
make it) in fly casting and on the 19th I will start them on fly tying.
I have 4 Viet Nam era vets and 3 Iraq and Afghanistan veterans. What a
joy to to work with these veterans.

PHWFF has been great on providing fly rods, vices and tying tools. What
we could use more of is materials if you have any extra items falling
off your fly tying table we could sure use them. I will be sure to give
credit to any items donated.

I was also thinking it might be fun to do a “Blue Gill” swap with five
of the veterans here and five from this list, so they may see some of
the work others are doing and I can keep it simple for them. 
I was thinking flies in the mail to me by 1 December. None of this is
set in stone so if you have other ideas please let me know.

I called it a Blue Gill Swap as we have a couple of smalls ponds
close by they could use the flies in.

Thanks in advance to all for your ideas and help.

Walter

Walter Shockley
448 Mercantile Rd.
McClellanville, SC 29458


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Re: [VFB] Tenkara Anyone?

2014-08-10 Thread Reuven Segal
We use these for fishing off piers down the beach. It is usually the old 
Greek and Italians who use them but I have had them over time. Allows 
them to get the float where they want it irrespective of the current.
All the piers have been around for a long time and are made of wood. You 
see these holes along the entire length, as if a kid went nuts with a 
drill. It is because the fisherman screw into the piers these large, 
screw- tipped hooks that you get from hardware stores (the ones usually 
with red rubber coating) and can use them as rod holders. These rods are 
15-20' long. Fold down to a yard or so in length.


R
On 11/08/2014 3:10 AM, jerryp...@comcast.net wrote:

Wes:
   That's the one.  It's a cheap way to try tenkara fishing. You can put a loop 
on the piece of fly line you want to and do a loop to eye connection.  Another 
way, as I found out by accident, the one I bought had a butt cap on it which 
came off and I could have popped the tip top off and threaded the fly line 
through the rod and seated it with some Goop or flexible cement.  Cabela's 
recommendation that the line shouldn't be longer than the rod is right on the 
money.  If you're planning on using a leader, you might want to make a bit 
shorter.
   I actually met Mark and his wife at a show many, many years ago.
- Original Message -
Hi Jerry,

Thanks for the info.  Is this the rod you were talking about?
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Cabelas-Telescopic-Panfish-Poles/738690.uts

Some notes on Tenkara.  Some of you remember VFB member Mark Romero, who
sadly passed a couple of years ago. His spouse Misa Ishimura was co-author
of one of the books on Tenkara fishing.

http://tinyurl.com/l9v3zae

More on Misa here:
https://sites.google.com/site/misakoishimura/


Wes Wada
Bend, Oregon






On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 8:23 PM, jerryp...@comcast.net wrote:


I've messed around with it.  I first saw my first tenkara rod about 5 or 6
years ago when a customer walked in to the local fly shop I frequent.  He
was a frequent traveler and well versed in tenkara fishing.  He'd brought a
tenkara rod back from Japan which set the owner back $300.  He showed us
how to rig it and demonstrated a bit of casting.  I had a chance to exam
in the rod and it looked familiar to me.  Reminded of the long cane poles
we sometime used for crappie fishing when I was in college in NW Tennessee.
  Went home and rummaged through my Cabela's catalog and came across
telescoping graphite crappie poles, ranged from 10 to 14 feet in length.  I
ordered a 10 footer and when I got it I took it to the shop and we compared
it with the Tenkara rod very little difference even manufactured by the
same company except the price which was $275 less than the shop owner.  I
used it a couple of times but it's tough to use a 10 foot rod.  Still if
folks are interested in getting into tenkara fishing, it's an inexpensive
way to get started.

Jerry C

- Original Message -
I did some fishing with them in January and caught some large piranhas
with them.

To me they are nice to use when I go to the local pond.

Jim Forshey
Placerville, California


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From: Jack Lehman jklepo...@sbcglobal.net
Date:08/09/2014  3:53 PM  (GMT-08:00)
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Cc:
Subject: [VFB] Tenkara Anyone?

Has anyone else here gotten into Tenkara yet?  I'm now using it where I
used to go to my two weight.  5th year of drought, the rivers and creeks
are low, Tenkara means sight casting to small fish , for the most part.
And you can get a deep rod bend out of a 5 inch sunfish.

We are also having some luck in using Tenkara to get new fishermen
interested in the fly.  The rods are a little steep, but there's no reel
involved and lines go for $2 - $20.  Very light and easy to cast.  We
(my local fly club) have a beginner's Tenkara outing scheduled for next
weekend and we have 30 people signed up.  We'll pair them up with
experienced fishermen and get them rolling.  Gonna have to put a few on
regular rods part-time 'cause we don't have access to that many T-rods.

Jack
Austin

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Re: [VFB] Average age so far

2014-08-10 Thread Reuven Segal
I dont see it being such an issue in Australia. we have quite an active 
fly fishing community, although a number of general fishing stores have 
cut down their fly fishing sections to almost nothing. Many of us buy 
gear from the US or ebay due to the prices being charges here. 
Ridiculous is an understatement as a general rule. However, if you look 
at flylife.com.au, you can see a lot of activity. When some flyfishing 
movies were shown in a cinema. all sessions were booked out. Many of the 
people attending would have been in the late 20s/early 30s I seem to 
remember.


R

On 11/08/2014 10:28 AM, Allan Fish wrote:

Yep. I'm corresponding with a bunch of folks much younger than me.
Allan

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Fellow VFB'ers

The average age of the group so far is 63.9 years. Does that tell you something?




Neville (Nev) Gosling

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Re: [VFB] Tenkara Anyone?

2014-08-10 Thread Reuven Segal

So dear Tony..do you see a future for bamboo tenkara rods?
Won't have to deal anymore with those pesky guides and wrappings :)

R


On 10/08/2014 1:23 PM, jerryp...@comcast.net wrote:

I've messed around with it.  I first saw my first tenkara rod about 5 or 6 years ago when 
a customer walked in to the local fly shop I frequent.  He was a frequent traveler and 
well versed in tenkara fishing.  He'd brought a tenkara rod back from Japan which set the 
owner back $300.  He showed us how to rig it and demonstrated a bit of 
casting.  I had a chance to exam in the rod and it looked familiar to me.  
Reminded of the long cane poles we sometime used for crappie fishing when I was in 
college in NW Tennessee.  Went home and rummaged through my Cabela's catalog and came 
across telescoping graphite crappie poles, ranged from 10 to 14 feet in length.  I 
ordered a 10 footer and when I got it I took it to the shop and we compared it with the 
Tenkara rod very little difference even manufactured by the same company except the price 
which was $275 less than the shop owner.  I used it a couple of times but it's tough to 
use a 10 foot rod.  Still if folks are interested in getting into tenkara fishing, it's 
an inexpensive way to get started.

Jerry C

- Original Message -
I did some fishing with them in January and caught some large piranhas with 
them.

To me they are nice to use when I go to the local pond.

Jim Forshey
Placerville, California


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From: Jack Lehman jklepo...@sbcglobal.net
Date:08/09/2014  3:53 PM  (GMT-08:00)
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Cc:
Subject: [VFB] Tenkara Anyone?

Has anyone else here gotten into Tenkara yet?  I'm now using it where I
used to go to my two weight.  5th year of drought, the rivers and creeks
are low, Tenkara means sight casting to small fish , for the most part.
And you can get a deep rod bend out of a 5 inch sunfish.

We are also having some luck in using Tenkara to get new fishermen
interested in the fly.  The rods are a little steep, but there's no reel
involved and lines go for $2 - $20.  Very light and easy to cast.  We
(my local fly club) have a beginner's Tenkara outing scheduled for next
weekend and we have 30 people signed up.  We'll pair them up with
experienced fishermen and get them rolling.  Gonna have to put a few on
regular rods part-time 'cause we don't have access to that many T-rods.

Jack
Austin




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Re: [VFB] Tenkara Anyone?

2014-08-10 Thread Reuven Segal

Piranhas?
On 10/08/2014 10:43 AM, Jim wrote:
I did some fishing with them in January and caught some large piranhas 
with them.


To me they are nice to use when I go to the local pond.

Jim Forshey
Placerville, California


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Date:08/09/2014 3:53 PM (GMT-08:00)
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Subject: [VFB] Tenkara Anyone?

Has anyone else here gotten into Tenkara yet?  I'm now using it where I
used to go to my two weight.  5th year of drought, the rivers and creeks
are low, Tenkara means sight casting to small fish , for the most part.
And you can get a deep rod bend out of a 5 inch sunfish.

We are also having some luck in using Tenkara to get new fishermen
interested in the fly.  The rods are a little steep, but there's no reel
involved and lines go for $2 - $20.  Very light and easy to cast. We
(my local fly club) have a beginner's Tenkara outing scheduled for next
weekend and we have 30 people signed up.  We'll pair them up with
experienced fishermen and get them rolling.  Gonna have to put a few on
regular rods part-time 'cause we don't have access to that many T-rods.

Jack
Austin

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Re: [VFB] Tenkara Anyone?

2014-08-10 Thread Allan Fish

On 8/10/14, 10:15 PM, Reuven Segal wrote:

So dear Tony..do you see a future for bamboo tenkara rods?
Won't have to deal anymore with those pesky guides and wrappings :)


Reuven,

I used to Tenkara fish with bamboo many years ago.  Except we were 
uneducated it didn't call them Tenkara Rods.


We called them Cane Poles.

And they were not telescopic.Just 14 foot bamboo poles. G

Allan

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Re: [VFB] Observations of VFB and age

2014-08-10 Thread Reuven Segal

What a great shame Tony.
The flies you refer to come ouot of Africa and although rubbish, still 
cost a good $2.50 here. I used to spend big for little return when 
starting out, before venturing into fly tying and spending big on 
materials. The old story..The Most Expensive Way to Save Money :)


I try to involve my kids in fixing things Ie putting in screws, 
tightening nuts, etc so that they will know how to take care of 
themselves and be able to change their own light bulbs. Laugh if you 
will but there are so many who simply cannot do it.


Shame they don't have the fishing bug (fishing fly?? very funny!!). I 
still enjoy using my grandfather's old tools. Shame he wasn't into 
making bamboo rods and fly fishing!






On 10/08/2014 4:04 AM, 'Anthony Spezio' via VFB Mail wrote:

I live in a rural area where they are lakes and rivers all around. One 
of the big business in the area is fishing and guiding on the lakes 
and ricers and creeks along with a lot of campgrounds. What we see 
here are many people leaving Wal-Mart with 15.00 spinning outfits on 
plastic covered cardboard kits. Our Wal-Mart quit carrying any type of 
fly fishing gear except a few flies in a package that fall apart after 
the first cast. We had three fly shops in the area. we now have only 
one and that one has changed hands three times since it opened. I have 
personally tutored a number of young  folks but as far as I know only 
three have stayed with it.
What bothers me most I have seven grandson and great grans sons but 
none are interested in fishing. No interest at all. When they visit, I 
never see their noses out of their cell phones or computer games. They 
are all addicted to them. My son in law is a good fly fisher but his 
some has absently no interest even though we have taken him out and he 
has caught some fish. I have also tried to teach him to tie, no interest.

Tony


On Saturday, August 9, 2014 10:43 AM, Wes Wada w...@wadaworks.com wrote:


We've had a lot of discussions around here about the state of 
flyfishing and tying, and whether there is enough new blood and 
interest to sustain it.


Our local flyclub also has youth programs such as Next Cast and 
Kokanee Carnival, but in general, like elsewhere, this is an older 
person's pasttime like rock hounding, old time fiddlers, or classic 
cars.  Also, first impressions for a lot of folks is that this is an 
expensive, elitist hobby to get into.


We have a large fly tying expo in Albany, Oregon each year, and one 
friend, who owns a major fly tying materials company, always points 
out how you can look at the show floor and not see anyone visiting 
that is under 40.


I don't think there is any question that in the future, many flyshops 
and fishing gear businesses will bite the dust, as there won't be the 
critical mass of customers existing to sustain them.  Across the USA, 
fishing and hunting licenses sales have been in a steep decline.  Our 
local FW department has just announced a 35% cut in their budget due 
the poor license sales and the Congressional sequester.


That's not to say there isn't a younger group out there,  but as Peggy 
noted, they are more internet and social network oriented, and much of 
what they learn is through YouTube, Vimeo and sites sporting video 
tutorials.  If you want to see some of this younger crowd, attend a 
fly fishing film tour showing. Membership in fly clubs is not seen as 
a cool way to spend your time!


More than anything, IMO, families do not stress the outdoors like they 
used to, due to lack of experience, time or money.  Every fly fisher I 
know grew up in families that spend at lot of time outdoors fishing, 
camping and hunting.  Also organizations like Cub and Boy Scouts were 
a lot more prevalent.  Not having these resources, it is no wonder 
younger people fall into other interests.


What we need is another the movie grin.  Transformers vs. the Wily 
Brown Trout.


Wes




On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Jimmy D. Moore ray...@earthlink.net 
mailto:ray...@earthlink.net wrote:


Well put, Peggy
JIM


Peggy Brenner wrote:

I think our ages reflect all the fly tying groups in general,
however, we are all for the most part active.  A good number
of our over 50's are still working, all of us volunteer in our
areas and we have extended families to take care of.

Joyce, it's nice to see someone else in healthcare hanging in,
it's the fastest changing industry right now and the pace is
picking up.

We had decided and planned to retire completely August 29, but
have decided we will each need a small business to dabble in.

Peggy


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Re: [VFB] Tenkara Anyone?

2014-08-10 Thread Jim
Yes, it was also nice to catch the first one with a fly on a T-rod, while 
everyone else was using meat.


Jim Forshey
Placerville, California


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Date:08/10/2014  7:19 PM  (GMT-08:00) 
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Subject: Re: [VFB] Tenkara Anyone? 

Piranhas?
On 10/08/2014 10:43 AM, Jim wrote:
I did some fishing with them in January and caught some large piranhas with 
them.

To me they are nice to use when I go to the local pond.

Jim Forshey
Placerville, California


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Has anyone else here gotten into Tenkara yet?  I'm now using it where I 
used to go to my two weight.  5th year of drought, the rivers and creeks 
are low, Tenkara means sight casting to small fish , for the most   part.  
And you can get a deep rod bend out of a 5 inch sunfish.

We are also having some luck in using Tenkara to get new fishermen 
interested in the fly.  The rods are a little steep, but there's no reel 
involved and lines go for $2 - $20.  Very light and easy to cast.  We 
(my local fly club) have a beginner's Tenkara outing scheduled for next 
weekend and we have 30 people signed up.  We'll pair them up with 
experienced fishermen and get them rolling.  Gonna have to put a few on 
regular rods part-time 'cause we don't have access to that many T-rods.

Jack
Austin

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Re: [VFB] Tenkara Anyone?

2014-08-10 Thread Jim
I use some used bamboo rods I have found at some used stores, I taken the gides 
off and use them like I would a T-rod. They work great and I have a lot of fun.

Jim Forshey
Placerville, California


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From: Reuven Segal beer...@gmail.com 
Date:08/10/2014  7:15 PM  (GMT-08:00) 
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So dear Tony..do you see a future for bamboo tenkara rods?
Won't have to deal anymore with those pesky guides and wrappings :)

R


On 10/08/2014 1:23 PM, jerryp...@comcast.net wrote:
 I've messed around with it.  I first saw my first tenkara rod about 5 or 6 
 years ago when a customer walked in to the local fly shop I frequent.  He was 
 a frequent traveler and well versed in tenkara fishing.  He'd brought a 
 tenkara rod back from Japan which set the owner back $300.  He showed us how 
 to rig it and demonstrated a bit of casting.  I had a chance to exam in the 
 rod and it looked familiar to me.  Reminded of the long cane poles we 
 sometime used for crappie fishing when I was in college in NW Tennessee.  
 Went home and rummaged through my Cabela's catalog and came across 
 telescoping graphite crappie poles, ranged from 10 to 14 feet in length.  I 
 ordered a 10 footer and when I got it I took it to the shop and we compared 
 it with the Tenkara rod very little difference even manufactured by the same 
 company except the price which was $275 less than the shop owner.  I used it 
 a couple of times but it's tough to use a 10 foot rod.  Still if folks are 
 interested in getting into tenkara fishing, it's an inexpensive way to get 
 started.

 Jerry C

 - Original Message -
 I did some fishing with them in January and caught some large piranhas with 
 them.

 To me they are nice to use when I go to the local pond.

 Jim Forshey
 Placerville, California


  Original message 
 From: Jack Lehman jklepo...@sbcglobal.net
 Date:08/09/2014  3:53 PM  (GMT-08:00)
 To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 Cc:
 Subject: [VFB] Tenkara Anyone?

 Has anyone else here gotten into Tenkara yet?  I'm now using it where I
 used to go to my two weight.  5th year of drought, the rivers and creeks
 are low, Tenkara means sight casting to small fish , for the most part.
 And you can get a deep rod bend out of a 5 inch sunfish.

 We are also having some luck in using Tenkara to get new fishermen
 interested in the fly.  The rods are a little steep, but there's no reel
 involved and lines go for $2 - $20.  Very light and easy to cast.  We
 (my local fly club) have a beginner's Tenkara outing scheduled for next
 weekend and we have 30 people signed up.  We'll pair them up with
 experienced fishermen and get them rolling.  Gonna have to put a few on
 regular rods part-time 'cause we don't have access to that many T-rods.

 Jack
 Austin



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Re: [VFB] Tenkara Anyone?

2014-08-10 Thread Reuven Segal
And you still managed to catch fish? I didn't know they had braided line 
'way back when'.
Truth be told, I was referring to split cane rods. How can one expect to 
catch fish on straight bamboo?



On 11/08/2014 12:26 PM, Allan Fish wrote:

On 8/10/14, 10:15 PM, Reuven Segal wrote:

So dear Tony..do you see a future for bamboo tenkara rods?
Won't have to deal anymore with those pesky guides and wrappings :)


Reuven,

I used to Tenkara fish with bamboo many years ago.  Except we were 
uneducated it didn't call them Tenkara Rods.


We called them Cane Poles.

And they were not telescopic.Just 14 foot bamboo poles. G

Allan



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